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  • Cookie said:

    This government is desperate to be photographed in front of vote winning things. The PM has decided not to bother with this one. Because it isn't seen as vote winning when they think about the knuckle-dragger vote. It's not proper football is it? Just the lasses having a kick-about. Why bother? Now if it was proper football with manly men, that would be different...

    Just a thought, but if the women's team is more successful than the men's team, shouldn't they get paid more...?

    Not this again.
    They're not playing the same opposition. Shouldn't Oxford City be paid more than Oxford United? After all, Oxford City got promoted last year, United only finished 8th.
    They should get paid what the market will bear. Which is a lot more than it would have done 20 years ago, but still a lot less than men's football. Because the level of interest is a lot less.
    Viewing figures are increasing though, especially for international tournaments if not through the turnstiles on a wet Tuesday in Stoke. It might end up like tennis in that regard where Wimbledon pays the same because they both put bums on seats and sponsors shower sacks of gold on the top stars.

  • TazTaz Posts: 13,749

    Cookie said:

    This government is desperate to be photographed in front of vote winning things. The PM has decided not to bother with this one. Because it isn't seen as vote winning when they think about the knuckle-dragger vote. It's not proper football is it? Just the lasses having a kick-about. Why bother? Now if it was proper football with manly men, that would be different...

    Just a thought, but if the women's team is more successful than the men's team, shouldn't they get paid more...?

    Not this again.
    They're not playing the same opposition. Shouldn't Oxford City be paid more than Oxford United? After all, Oxford City got promoted last year, United only finished 8th.
    They should get paid what the market will bear. Which is a lot more than it would have done 20 years ago, but still a lot less than men's football. Because the level of interest is a lot less.
    All I am saying is that perhaps the interest should be a lot less on the mens game - especially at national level - and a lot more on the more successful women.

    TBH I'm just trying to parody the men who find the success of the women to be threatening to their definition of who they are.
    Who are these men ?

    Do they even exist, or exist in great numbers ?

    I’ve not seen or heard, either in RL or online, any negativity about the England womens team. The only possible negative was comparative standards.
  • RattersRatters Posts: 1,008
    The test is simple:

    Would Sunak have travelled to Australia to see the men's football team compete in the World Cup final?

    If yes, then the charge of hypocrisy and not taking women's sport seriously is easy to make.

    And does anyone serious think the answer is no?

    As for the royal family, I couldn't care less as to what they get up to.
  • TazTaz Posts: 13,749
    Carnyx said:

    Nigelb said:

    Another perspective on football travel.

    Neymar flying from Paris to Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, on a private Boeing 747
    https://twitter.com/Dexerto/status/1692942733973811269

    Coo, isn't that also the kind with an extended upper deck? Must be really pushed for space.
    Accommodating his ego ?
  • Cookie said:

    Cookie said:

    This government is desperate to be photographed in front of vote winning things. The PM has decided not to bother with this one. Because it isn't seen as vote winning when they think about the knuckle-dragger vote. It's not proper football is it? Just the lasses having a kick-about. Why bother? Now if it was proper football with manly men, that would be different...

    Just a thought, but if the women's team is more successful than the men's team, shouldn't they get paid more...?

    Not this again.
    They're not playing the same opposition. Shouldn't Oxford City be paid more than Oxford United? After all, Oxford City got promoted last year, United only finished 8th.
    They should get paid what the market will bear. Which is a lot more than it would have done 20 years ago, but still a lot less than men's football. Because the level of interest is a lot less.
    All I am saying is that perhaps the interest should be a lot less on the mens game - especially at national level - and a lot more on the more successful women.

    TBH I'm just trying to parody the men who find the success of the women to be threatening to their definition of who they are.
    But by thst logic more people should go to watch Oxford City than Oxford United.
    Do Oxford City threaten the world view of Oxford United fans? If the women win the world cup today, that puts a whole new spin on the worldview of the "two world wars and one world cup" brigade.
  • Andy_CookeAndy_Cooke Posts: 4,974
    Carnyx said:

    Taz said:

    Carnyx said:

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Vorderman’s on the case.

    A pointless chart as it takes no respective account of the size or population of each nation.

    Vorderman is someone I have had to block on Twitter. At first her critiques of the govt were pretty much on the nail but I suspect she’s got carried away with her own twitter persona and comes across as slightly obsessive even deranged. Posting endless bilge for likes and retweets. The core message gets somewhat lost and she ends up preaching to the converted.
    Bet she’s gutted.
    I doubt she cares at all. She’s there for likes and retweets and maintains/raising her profile like many C listers and daytime TV talking heads. It’s all about the brand. Doesn’t make my observation invalid.
    I suspect she doesn’t give a flying fuck about her profile. If her pronouncements chimed more with your worldview I suspect you wouldn’t be so dismissive.

    It’s going to be great when Musk disables the block function. You’ll be exposed to endless tweets pointing out the irrefutable, ever mounting evidence of the huge harm Brexit is doing, and I’ll be force-fed endless bullshit from blue-ticked flag shaggers. Wonderful.
    WTF are you burbling on about ? Are you on an E ? I voted remain. I’m no brexiteer and have not even once extolled the virtues of it.

    Musk isn’t disabling the block button either.
    Er ...

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-66550959
    Old news. The tweets where he has said that have been removed by him.

    Ah, thanks. It did surprise me.
    Someone probably took him to one side and explained that this would mean both the App Store and Google Play would remove Twitter X from their stores, as the ability to block people is a required function for social media apps on their platforms.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 17,540

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    Shouldn't this be on PB (English subsection)?

    Like @Leon has said in the past, this inferiority complex is really weird.
    What inferiority? I don't slavishly follow any football team, let alone some other country's, and I certainly don't go around claiming that the bloated cost of the RF is justified by the height of some numinous profile. 90% of which is the Ruritanian family soap opera element anyway.
    You (and @Theuniondivvie did so a couple of weeks ago) get triggered by any mention or putative celebration of English success in sport.

    It stirs something deep within the Nat psyche; hence comments like this.
    I think what really riles them is when a non-English home nation sports team/person does well and the English take pleasure in supporting them too. They just can't abide that their hostility isn't reciprocated.

    Scotland will probably do better than England in the Rugby World Cup for example. Seeing English rugby supporters cheer for them in the latter stages is likely to leave Scot Nats fuming.

    That said I can't cheer on McIlroy in the golf because my mother-in-law hasn't forgiven him for dumping his girlfriend as soon as he became famous.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 16,942

    This government is desperate to be photographed in front of vote winning things. The PM has decided not to bother with this one. Because it isn't seen as vote winning when they think about the knuckle-dragger vote. It's not proper football is it? Just the lasses having a kick-about. Why bother? Now if it was proper football with manly men, that would be different...

    Just a thought, but if the women's team is more successful than the men's team, shouldn't they get paid more...?

    Payment for womens football will rise rapidly according to crowds in the WPL. But at the moment the ticket prices are very low c.f. to the mens game, and the TV and advertising is vastly less.
    That can and may change.
    I’d argue the money for international appearances etc should be the same, if it isn’t already.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 48,601
    Nigelb said:

    It doesn't matter what they think, that's the whole point of a monarchy. If they let Charles be king they're not going to have a revolution over William.

    Also this is the kind of "topics nobody really gives a fuck about" polling that will give you wildly different results depending how you ask the question. Remind the voters about the CO2 and the cost of the security and they'd be telling him to stay at home. Ignore it.

    Prime Minister Rishi Sunak
    Mr Sunak has opted not to attend the southern hemisphere final in person, sending Foreign Secretary James Cleverly and Culture Secretary Lucy Frazer to Australia to represent the UK Government.

    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/other/rishi-sunak-tells-lionesses-whole-nation-is-rooting-for-you-in-world-cup-final/ar-AA1fuy2V

    So the defence about carbon footprints is clearly spurious if we are sending two cabinet ministers down under. I'm sure they could have found room for the prince on the plane.

    One might also ask why the Prime Minister himself will not be there. He has been happy to be photographed on holiday in California so it is not as if he is too busy.

    Surely the truth is the men who arrange these things do not take women's sport seriously and had not noticed that after winning the Euros, the Lionesses had a leading chance in the World Cup.
    I couldn’t give a crap, either - but government really ought to.

    Tories under fire after dramatic fall in school sport in England
    New figures undermine Rishi Sunak’s claims to boost PE ahead of Women’s World Cup final
    https://www.theguardian.com/education/2023/aug/20/tories-under-fire-after-dramatic-fall-in-school-sport-in-england

    Just over a decade back there were some excellent programs in primary schools - I recall my wife, who has less interest in sport than I do, being very enthusiastic about a beginners cricket coaching scheme, for example.
    We had a local twat*, composing about elitist sport. The rowing club I’m a member of offers rowing to all the local state schools. Good take up as well.

    *One of the NIMBY, angry at everything, at every local meeting types
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 53,477
    edited August 2023

    This government is desperate to be photographed in front of vote winning things. The PM has decided not to bother with this one. Because it isn't seen as vote winning when they think about the knuckle-dragger vote. It's not proper football is it? Just the lasses having a kick-about. Why bother? Now if it was proper football with manly men, that would be different...

    Just a thought, but if the women's team is more successful than the men's team, shouldn't they get paid more...?

    Payment for womens football will rise rapidly according to crowds in the WPL. But at the moment the ticket prices are very low c.f. to the mens game, and the TV and advertising is vastly less.
    That can and may change.
    I’d argue the money for international appearances etc should be the same, if it isn’t already.
    They do for England, but appearance fees for internationals are something like £2k per match, which the men have traditionally donated to charity.

    https://www.thenationalnews.com/sport/football/2021/07/10/do-england-players-get-paid-for-international-matches/

    The big money comes from the professional leagues, with TV revenues and gate receipts.

    FIFA have already complained about no TV interest in this women’s tournament, and threatened at one point to not show it on TV as the offers were so low outside the US and Australia.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 13,686
    Morning all :)

    This is another issue with which I'm struggling to muster a scintilla of interest.

    Rishi Sunak is entitled to a holiday - he may be Prime Minister (for now) but that doesn't mean he can't have some sort of break. We could have sent Oliver Dowden (seriously) but James Cleverly is attending which is fair enough.

    As for someone Royal, well, Harry's in California which is a bit nearer. Those who argue for environmental sensibility and sensitivity then have to justify William and entourage travelling halfway round the world - I mean, he only turned up to Ascot for a couple of days. The problem will be when he stands up to try and take the environmental high ground somebody will turn round and say "you flew all the way to Australia and back for a football match".

    As we see with so much else, it's less what you do now than what gets dragged up 20 years on when times and attitudes have changed and gets used against you.

    Look at it another way - if you want to listen to music from 50 years ago, it's quite easy to find but 50 years ago, did anyone listen to the music of the 1920s?

    As Margaret Thatcher - would she have travelled to Australia for a football match? - once said "it's a funny old world".
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 17,540

    This government is desperate to be photographed in front of vote winning things. The PM has decided not to bother with this one. Because it isn't seen as vote winning when they think about the knuckle-dragger vote. It's not proper football is it? Just the lasses having a kick-about. Why bother? Now if it was proper football with manly men, that would be different...

    Just a thought, but if the women's team is more successful than the men's team, shouldn't they get paid more...?

    Maybe they will be some day.

    I recall an argument in the past that there weren't enough goals in men's soccer because the goalkeepers were too tall. It was argued that the size of the goals should be increased to compensate.

    Well, women's soccer is, to a certain extent, the same as men's soccer except that the goalkeepers are shorter. It might be that, over time, this leads to fans of the sport concluding that women's soccer is a better spectacle than men's soccer, and it consequently receives higher levels of support, income and then pay for the players.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 59,272
    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    Shouldn't this be on PB (English subsection)?

    Like @Leon has said in the past, this inferiority complex is really weird.
    What inferiority? I don't slavishly follow any football team, let alone some other country's, and I certainly don't go around claiming that the bloated cost of the RF is justified by the height of some numinous profile. 90% of which is the Ruritanian family soap opera element anyway.
    You (and @Theuniondivvie did so a couple of weeks ago) get triggered by any mention or putative celebration of English success in sport.

    It stirs something deep within the Nat pschy; hence comments like this.
    Wrong there. It's this idea thast you *have* to support a national team to be patriotic. I don't give a monkey's about the Scottish teams either.

    To be fair, as I recall, the PB righties and HMG were extremely unwilling to support England (Male) at footie because they were all woke, so it's not a required shibboleth.
    Neither do I. I couldn't care less about football and am not watching it today.

    But that's not what your post was about. Your post was about nationalism.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 15,556
    Ratters said:

    The test is simple:

    Would Sunak have travelled to Australia to see the men's football team compete in the World Cup final?

    If yes, then the charge of hypocrisy and not taking women's sport seriously is easy to make.

    And does anyone serious think the answer is no?

    As for the royal family, I couldn't care less as to what they get up to.

    Rishi Sunak would get on a plane to travel to the other end of his street.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 21,884
    So why do the Lionesses have a badge on their shirts featuring three male lions?

  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 59,272
    Nigelb said:

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    Shouldn't this be on PB (English subsection)?

    Like @Leon has said in the past, this inferiority complex is really weird.
    What inferiority? I don't slavishly follow any football team, let alone some other country's, and I certainly don't go around claiming that the bloated cost of the RF is justified by the height of some numinous profile. 90% of which is the Ruritanian family soap opera element anyway.
    You (and @Theuniondivvie did so a couple of weeks ago) get triggered by any mention or putative celebration of English success in sport.

    It stirs something deep within the Nat psyche; hence comments like this.
    One could say the same about your reaction to their comments.
    Not really, I'm just calling it out.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 15,556
    Cookie said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    It doesn't matter what they think, that's the whole point of a monarchy. If they let Charles be king they're not going to have a revolution over William.

    Also this is the kind of "topics nobody really gives a fuck about" polling that will give you wildly different results depending how you ask the question. Remind the voters about the CO2 and the cost of the security and they'd be telling him to stay at home. Ignore it.

    Prime Minister Rishi Sunak
    Mr Sunak has opted not to attend the southern hemisphere final in person, sending Foreign Secretary James Cleverly and Culture Secretary Lucy Frazer to Australia to represent the UK Government.

    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/other/rishi-sunak-tells-lionesses-whole-nation-is-rooting-for-you-in-world-cup-final/ar-AA1fuy2V

    So the defence about carbon footprints is clearly spurious if we are sending two cabinet ministers down under. I'm sure they could have found room for the prince on the plane.

    One might also ask why the Prime Minister himself will not be there. He has been happy to be photographed on holiday in California so it is not as if he is too busy.

    Surely the truth is the men who arrange these things do not take women's sport seriously and had not noticed that after winning the Euros, the Lionesses had a leading chance in the World Cup.
    Pretending to like women's football is woke so Sunak has a careful line to tread if he's to maintain his new populist, man of the people, climate skeptic, autophile, common bloody sense persona.

    Stupidly and the other one are just cannon fodder.
    This is a valid point. Think about the aggro if England win the World Cup. This is supposed to be a man's game for manly men. And yet the men are useless and here come their girlfriends to humiliate them by winning.

    There is a lot of resistance out there amongst the kind of weaponised stupidity voters the Tories have to chase. The women beating the men would be a Bad Thing.

    Meanwhile, Labour have a 28 point lead over the Tories with women voters...
    But the women aren't beating the men. They are beating other women.
    ISTR the USA national women's team played an U15 mens team from Texas in the warm up to the WC,and lost.
    They would certainly beat my son's U15 team!
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 59,272
    malcolmg said:

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    Shouldn't this be on PB (English subsection)?

    Like @Leon has said in the past, this inferiority complex is really weird.
    What inferiority? I don't slavishly follow any football team, let alone some other country's, and I certainly don't go around claiming that the bloated cost of the RF is justified by the height of some numinous profile. 90% of which is the Ruritanian family soap opera element anyway.
    You (and @Theuniondivvie did so a couple of weeks ago) get triggered by any mention or putative celebration of English success in sport.

    It stirs something deep within the Nat psyche; hence comments like this.
    60 years celebrating one cheated win is a bit rich though. I personally hope they get absolutely humped or we will be bombarded with crap for the next 60 years. Triggers your national inferiority complex getting constantly humped when you mistakenly think you are the best in world
    I don't entirely disagree with you. I can't stand football and get fed up with 1966 too.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 59,272

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    Shouldn't this be on PB (English subsection)?

    Like @Leon has said in the past, this inferiority complex is really weird.
    What inferiority? I don't slavishly follow any football team, let alone some other country's, and I certainly don't go around claiming that the bloated cost of the RF is justified by the height of some numinous profile. 90% of which is the Ruritanian family soap opera element anyway.
    You (and @Theuniondivvie did so a couple of weeks ago) get triggered by any mention or putative celebration of English success in sport.

    It stirs something deep within the Nat psyche; hence comments like this.
    I think what really riles them is when a non-English home nation sports team/person does well and the English take pleasure in supporting them too. They just can't abide that their hostility isn't reciprocated.

    Scotland will probably do better than England in the Rugby World Cup for example. Seeing English rugby supporters cheer for them in the latter stages is likely to leave Scot Nats fuming.

    That said I can't cheer on McIlroy in the golf because my mother-in-law hasn't forgiven him for dumping his girlfriend as soon as he became famous.
    Yes, precisely so.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 59,272
    Anyway, bored now.

    Off to enjoy the sun.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 21,153
    edited August 2023

    So why do the Lionesses have a badge on their shirts featuring three male lions?

    You don't look like Yannis Varoufakis any more. It's disorientating. :)
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 21,884
    This morning's dilemma:

    Do I stay at home to watch the fitba, or head down to the station to watch a Jubilee steaming through Airedale?
  • This morning's dilemma:

    Do I stay at home to watch the fitba, or head down to the station to watch a Jubilee steaming through Airedale?

    Watch the football on your phone at the station, assuming Elon Musk's not blocked it.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 5,376


    At least we will be spared the agonising of which VIP will be representing England or Wales at the Rugby World Cup final.

    Rishi and Wills can safely fill their diaries for that day.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 13,125

    Cookie said:

    Cookie said:

    This government is desperate to be photographed in front of vote winning things. The PM has decided not to bother with this one. Because it isn't seen as vote winning when they think about the knuckle-dragger vote. It's not proper football is it? Just the lasses having a kick-about. Why bother? Now if it was proper football with manly men, that would be different...

    Just a thought, but if the women's team is more successful than the men's team, shouldn't they get paid more...?

    Not this again.
    They're not playing the same opposition. Shouldn't Oxford City be paid more than Oxford United? After all, Oxford City got promoted last year, United only finished 8th.
    They should get paid what the market will bear. Which is a lot more than it would have done 20 years ago, but still a lot less than men's football. Because the level of interest is a lot less.
    All I am saying is that perhaps the interest should be a lot less on the mens game - especially at national level - and a lot more on the more successful women.

    TBH I'm just trying to parody the men who find the success of the women to be threatening to their definition of who they are.
    But by thst logic more people should go to watch Oxford City than Oxford United.
    Do Oxford City threaten the world view of Oxford United fans? If the women win the world cup today, that puts a whole new spin on the worldview of the "two world wars and one world cup" brigade.
    No it doesn't.
    You're setting up a straw man here. I don't see these legions of people furious about the concept of women's football. (And personally, as I've said in the past, I prefer it.) But to say it is, or should be, the equal of men's football is daft.
    Like Carynx, I take an interest in the sports I take an interest in. So does everyone else. It's fine. The 'correct' level of interest in a sport or sporting event is therefore exactly equal to the level of interest there is.
    (I will be watching the game today, because the wife and middle daughter are interested. But I will be mildly grumpy, because we have tickets to the hundred, and we'll be missing the women's match. And I'd rather watch an arbitrarily assembled team of women play cricket in a confected competition than watch football on the telly. That's not sexism, that's just liking cricket better than football.)
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,605

    This morning's dilemma:

    Do I stay at home to watch the fitba, or head down to the station to watch a Jubilee steaming through Airedale?

    This morning's dilemma:

    Do I stay at home to watch the fitba, or head down to the station to watch a Jubilee steaming through Airedale?

    Go to Jubilee. Bahamas or Leander?
  • Anyway, bored now.

    Off to enjoy the sun.

    Well done, CR.

    The triviality of this morning's topic is wholly appropriate for a nice lazy Sunday morning with little to worry about.

    I'll be enjoying the game unbothered about which cosseted oafs may or may not be in the stands and without a hint a hint of criticism of those who choose not to view, let alone be there.

    Enjoy the sun.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 5,376

    In other news, I see the Russians are further enhancing their nation's reputation for skill and derring do.


    "Russia's Luna-25 spacecraft crashes into moon" - BBC News


    Maybe they were aiming for Kiev.

    American satellites managed to get a photo of it just after it happened.


  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 21,884

    This morning's dilemma:

    Do I stay at home to watch the fitba, or head down to the station to watch a Jubilee steaming through Airedale?

    Watch the football on your phone at the station, assuming Elon Musk's not blocked it.
    Actually, the sofa is feeling very comfortable, so I think that I will stick with the game.

    I'll open the window to hear the kettle.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 21,993

    So why do the Lionesses have a badge on their shirts featuring three male lions?

    Perhaps ask Queen Elizabeth I ?
  • glwglw Posts: 9,801

    In other news, I see the Russians are further enhancing their nation's reputation for skill and derring do.


    "Russia's Luna-25 spacecraft crashes into moon" - BBC News


    Maybe they were aiming for Kiev.

    Should have stolen some genuine Hotpoint parts for something as important as a moon landing.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 21,884

    This morning's dilemma:

    Do I stay at home to watch the fitba, or head down to the station to watch a Jubilee steaming through Airedale?

    This morning's dilemma:

    Do I stay at home to watch the fitba, or head down to the station to watch a Jubilee steaming through Airedale?

    Go to Jubilee. Bahamas or Leander?
    Galatea.
  • londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,603

    This morning's dilemma:

    Do I stay at home to watch the fitba, or head down to the station to watch a Jubilee steaming through Airedale?

    Go to the railway. You can record the football (or watch for updates on PB 👍)
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 21,884

    In other news, I see the Russians are further enhancing their nation's reputation for skill and derring do.


    "Russia's Luna-25 spacecraft crashes into moon" - BBC News


    Maybe they were aiming for Kiev.

    More of humankind's junk dumped on another planet*. The arrogance of our species is boundless.

    *I know that technically the Moon is not a planet. However, I didn't want to say heavenly body because I know the sort of posts that would follow.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,605

    This morning's dilemma:

    Do I stay at home to watch the fitba, or head down to the station to watch a Jubilee steaming through Airedale?

    This morning's dilemma:

    Do I stay at home to watch the fitba, or head down to the station to watch a Jubilee steaming through Airedale?

    Go to Jubilee. Bahamas or Leander?
    Galatea.
    Really I thought that was in Sierra Leone
  • MattWMattW Posts: 21,993
    Anyhoo - morning all.

    I think Stodge has it.

    Plus I'd add that it's shitty to demand that Prince William break up his family holiday to fly 12,000 miles and back to attend an event that could not be foreseen.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,034
    Nigelb said:

    malcolmg said:

    Carnyx said:

    Nigelb said:

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    Shouldn't this be on PB (English subsection)?

    Like @Leon has said in the past, this inferiority complex is really weird.
    What inferiority? I don't slavishly follow any football team, let alone some other country's, and I certainly don't go around claiming that the bloated cost of the RF is justified by the height of some numinous profile. 90% of which is the Ruritanian family soap opera element anyway.
    You (and @Theuniondivvie did so a couple of weeks ago) get triggered by any mention or putative celebration of English success in sport.

    It stirs something deep within the Nat psyche; hence comments like this.
    One could say the same about your reaction to their comments.
    Also note his instant assumption that it's the 'English' I'm reacting to, as opposed to "general idiocy of requiring everyone to support some national team or other". I've made sarcastic comments on the Tebbit-Sillars doctrine on here before.
    He is a twat, big inferiority complex about being English.
    Casino's OK.
    Just a bit combative on occasion, which I thought you might appreciate, malcolm.
    Nigel, He takes it all far too seriously , his blood pressure will do for him , he is insecure for sure.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 53,477

    In other news, I see the Russians are further enhancing their nation's reputation for skill and derring do.


    "Russia's Luna-25 spacecraft crashes into moon" - BBC News


    Maybe they were aiming for Kiev.

    Phew, I’m safe in Kiev for the moment then!
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 41,384
    Wills should be there imo and I'm a bit surprised he isn't. It's the distance, I suppose. Have people seen where Australia is? Have a look at a globe. You couldn't get any further away and still call yourself Earth.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,034

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    Shouldn't this be on PB (English subsection)?

    Like @Leon has said in the past, this inferiority complex is really weird.
    What inferiority? I don't slavishly follow any football team, let alone some other country's, and I certainly don't go around claiming that the bloated cost of the RF is justified by the height of some numinous profile. 90% of which is the Ruritanian family soap opera element anyway.
    You (and @Theuniondivvie did so a couple of weeks ago) get triggered by any mention or putative celebration of English success in sport.

    It stirs something deep within the Nat psyche; hence comments like this.
    I think what really riles them is when a non-English home nation sports team/person does well and the English take pleasure in supporting them too. They just can't abide that their hostility isn't reciprocated.

    Scotland will probably do better than England in the Rugby World Cup for example. Seeing English rugby supporters cheer for them in the latter stages is likely to leave Scot Nats fuming.

    That said I can't cheer on McIlroy in the golf because my mother-in-law hasn't forgiven him for dumping his girlfriend as soon as he became famous.
    Methinks you dost protest too much. I care not a jot about the nationality of anyone supporting any Scottish sports representative(s).
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,034
    Cookie said:

    Cookie said:

    Cookie said:

    This government is desperate to be photographed in front of vote winning things. The PM has decided not to bother with this one. Because it isn't seen as vote winning when they think about the knuckle-dragger vote. It's not proper football is it? Just the lasses having a kick-about. Why bother? Now if it was proper football with manly men, that would be different...

    Just a thought, but if the women's team is more successful than the men's team, shouldn't they get paid more...?

    Not this again.
    They're not playing the same opposition. Shouldn't Oxford City be paid more than Oxford United? After all, Oxford City got promoted last year, United only finished 8th.
    They should get paid what the market will bear. Which is a lot more than it would have done 20 years ago, but still a lot less than men's football. Because the level of interest is a lot less.
    All I am saying is that perhaps the interest should be a lot less on the mens game - especially at national level - and a lot more on the more successful women.

    TBH I'm just trying to parody the men who find the success of the women to be threatening to their definition of who they are.
    But by thst logic more people should go to watch Oxford City than Oxford United.
    Do Oxford City threaten the world view of Oxford United fans? If the women win the world cup today, that puts a whole new spin on the worldview of the "two world wars and one world cup" brigade.
    No it doesn't.
    You're setting up a straw man here. I don't see these legions of people furious about the concept of women's football. (And personally, as I've said in the past, I prefer it.) But to say it is, or should be, the equal of men's football is daft.
    Like Carynx, I take an interest in the sports I take an interest in. So does everyone else. It's fine. The 'correct' level of interest in a sport or sporting event is therefore exactly equal to the level of interest there is.
    (I will be watching the game today, because the wife and middle daughter are interested. But I will be mildly grumpy, because we have tickets to the hundred, and we'll be missing the women's match. And I'd rather watch an arbitrarily assembled team of women play cricket in a confected competition than watch football on the telly. That's not sexism, that's just liking cricket better than football.)
    Why not go to the cricket on your own.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 15,556
    kinabalu said:

    Wills should be there imo and I'm a bit surprised he isn't. It's the distance, I suppose. Have people seen where Australia is? Have a look at a globe. You couldn't get any further away and still call yourself Earth.

    Any further and you fall of the edge, I believe. Yes surprised he's not there. Excited for the game!
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 21,884
    OK, you lot have convinced me. I'll be home for the second half.
  • Lots of social media messages from politicians saying the entire nation is cheering for the Lionesses. But that’s not true. Unless that nation is England. And if England is a nation, so are Wales and Scotland (Northern Ireland is more complicated). And if England, Scotland and Wales are nations, how can the UK be a nation state?
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,527
    edited August 2023
    This is all rather dull. In news marked “mildly interesting” the Wiki page of Hereford Sixth Form college lists both a recently convicted serial killer and a recently flounced PB commenter amongst its notable alumni - although it says a citation is required for the latter.
  • StockyStocky Posts: 10,021

    This morning's dilemma:

    Do I stay at home to watch the fitba, or head down to the station to watch a Jubilee steaming through Airedale?

    Which option is most likely to give you a boner?
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,034

    So why do the Lionesses have a badge on their shirts featuring three male lions?

    stupidity of the idiot who did not know the difference.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 13,686
    On a complete tangent, the 1948 Derby at Epsom was reportedly attended by one million people including both George VI and Clement Attlee.

    Won by the French 3-y-o MY LOVE who followed up in the Grand Prix de Paris. 32 runners and the winner came in at 100/9 (in old money).

    He then went off favourite for the Leger at Doncaster which, with a winning pot of £15,368 was the most valuable race ever run in Britain at that time but run down the field behind BLACK TARQUIN
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,034

    Anyway, bored now.

    Off to enjoy the sun.

    have fun will certainly be better than sat in front of a TV watching 22 women kicking a bit of leather ( likely plastic nowadays ) about.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,034

    OK, you lot have convinced me. I'll be home for the second half.

    What if it is 6-0 by then
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 15,556

    This morning's dilemma:

    Do I stay at home to watch the fitba, or head down to the station to watch a Jubilee steaming through Airedale?

    Ouch that's a tough one. I'd say the fitba is a more historic one off occasion? But a train... 55009 was at King's X yesterday on a rail tour, apparently she failed at Retford on the home leg, just like the old days. Such beautiful temperamental beasts.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 13,125

    Cookie said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    It doesn't matter what they think, that's the whole point of a monarchy. If they let Charles be king they're not going to have a revolution over William.

    Also this is the kind of "topics nobody really gives a fuck about" polling that will give you wildly different results depending how you ask the question. Remind the voters about the CO2 and the cost of the security and they'd be telling him to stay at home. Ignore it.

    Prime Minister Rishi Sunak
    Mr Sunak has opted not to attend the southern hemisphere final in person, sending Foreign Secretary James Cleverly and Culture Secretary Lucy Frazer to Australia to represent the UK Government.

    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/other/rishi-sunak-tells-lionesses-whole-nation-is-rooting-for-you-in-world-cup-final/ar-AA1fuy2V

    So the defence about carbon footprints is clearly spurious if we are sending two cabinet ministers down under. I'm sure they could have found room for the prince on the plane.

    One might also ask why the Prime Minister himself will not be there. He has been happy to be photographed on holiday in California so it is not as if he is too busy.

    Surely the truth is the men who arrange these things do not take women's sport seriously and had not noticed that after winning the Euros, the Lionesses had a leading chance in the World Cup.
    Pretending to like women's football is woke so Sunak has a careful line to tread if he's to maintain his new populist, man of the people, climate skeptic, autophile, common bloody sense persona.

    Stupidly and the other one are just cannon fodder.
    This is a valid point. Think about the aggro if England win the World Cup. This is supposed to be a man's game for manly men. And yet the men are useless and here come their girlfriends to humiliate them by winning.

    There is a lot of resistance out there amongst the kind of weaponised stupidity voters the Tories have to chase. The women beating the men would be a Bad Thing.

    Meanwhile, Labour have a 28 point lead over the Tories with women voters...
    But the women aren't beating the men. They are beating other women.
    ISTR the USA national women's team played an U15 mens team from Texas in the warm up to the WC,and lost.
    They would certainly beat my son's U15 team!
    Haha - to be fair, I think it was a pretty god U15 team!
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,605
    York to Carlisle on the Settle Carlisle on a sunny day

    Wonderful
  • CookieCookie Posts: 13,125
    malcolmg said:

    So why do the Lionesses have a badge on their shirts featuring three male lions?

    stupidity of the idiot who did not know the difference.
    It's the badge of an organisation, not the players representing it.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 13,125
    malcolmg said:

    Cookie said:

    Cookie said:

    Cookie said:

    This government is desperate to be photographed in front of vote winning things. The PM has decided not to bother with this one. Because it isn't seen as vote winning when they think about the knuckle-dragger vote. It's not proper football is it? Just the lasses having a kick-about. Why bother? Now if it was proper football with manly men, that would be different...

    Just a thought, but if the women's team is more successful than the men's team, shouldn't they get paid more...?

    Not this again.
    They're not playing the same opposition. Shouldn't Oxford City be paid more than Oxford United? After all, Oxford City got promoted last year, United only finished 8th.
    They should get paid what the market will bear. Which is a lot more than it would have done 20 years ago, but still a lot less than men's football. Because the level of interest is a lot less.
    All I am saying is that perhaps the interest should be a lot less on the mens game - especially at national level - and a lot more on the more successful women.

    TBH I'm just trying to parody the men who find the success of the women to be threatening to their definition of who they are.
    But by thst logic more people should go to watch Oxford City than Oxford United.
    Do Oxford City threaten the world view of Oxford United fans? If the women win the world cup today, that puts a whole new spin on the worldview of the "two world wars and one world cup" brigade.
    No it doesn't.
    You're setting up a straw man here. I don't see these legions of people furious about the concept of women's football. (And personally, as I've said in the past, I prefer it.) But to say it is, or should be, the equal of men's football is daft.
    Like Carynx, I take an interest in the sports I take an interest in. So does everyone else. It's fine. The 'correct' level of interest in a sport or sporting event is therefore exactly equal to the level of interest there is.
    (I will be watching the game today, because the wife and middle daughter are interested. But I will be mildly grumpy, because we have tickets to the hundred, and we'll be missing the women's match. And I'd rather watch an arbitrarily assembled team of women play cricket in a confected competition than watch football on the telly. That's not sexism, that's just liking cricket better than football.)
    Why not go to the cricket on your own.
    Perfectly respectable option, but I don't feel that strongly - it's only the hundred! Would be a different matter if it was a test match (or even the county T20).
    I do remember a few years back (2018?) being mildly amused at the incomprehension of my football mad neighbours that several of us wouldn't be attending their party to watch England against, let's say, Colombia in the football world cup on the telly because we had tickets to watch England play cricket in real life. The idea that anything could trump watching football was incomprehensible to them.
    But in this case, it's a family day, and the wife really wants to watch the football, so we'll do that.
  • MattW said:

    Anyhoo - morning all.

    I think Stodge has it.

    Plus I'd add that it's shitty to demand that Prince William break up his family holiday to fly 12,000 miles and back to attend an event that could not be foreseen.

    And can in any case be watched on the telly.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 48,601

    In other news, I see the Russians are further enhancing their nation's reputation for skill and derring do.


    "Russia's Luna-25 spacecraft crashes into moon" - BBC News


    Maybe they were aiming for Kiev.

    More of humankind's junk dumped on another planet*. The arrogance of our species is boundless.

    *I know that technically the Moon is not a planet. However, I didn't want to say heavenly body because I know the sort of posts that would follow.
    Bollocks

    The result of a space craft crash on the moon will be indistinguishable from the results of the chunks of space rock that hit the moon every day. Even if you walked up to the crater 10 minutes after it happened.

    It will just be another hole in the ground, among a zillion holes in the ground.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 62,191
    edited August 2023
    kinabalu said:

    Wills should be there imo and I'm a bit surprised he isn't. It's the distance, I suppose. Have people seen where Australia is? Have a look at a globe. You couldn't get any further away and still call yourself Earth.

    Good morning

    My wife and I flew London to Sydney with a *refuel in Bangkok

    The flight time is approx 22 hours 50 minutes and we then flew another 3 hours to New Zealand which does feel like a very long way from home

    * the only issue we had was that 2 hours out of Bangkok we lost an engine and circled for ages with fuel pouring out of the wing as the pilot jettisoned it for an emergency landing back at Bangkok

    It was quite an experience but to be fair to Qantas they put us up in a 5 star Bangkok hotel overnight and on our return home sent a £500 ex gratia payment
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,085

    So why do the Lionesses have a badge on their shirts featuring three male lions?

    Ignorance; sheer ignorance
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 69,016
    .

    In other news, I see the Russians are further enhancing their nation's reputation for skill and derring do.


    "Russia's Luna-25 spacecraft crashes into moon" - BBC News


    Maybe they were aiming for Kiev.

    More of humankind's junk dumped on another planet*. The arrogance of our species is boundless.

    *I know that technically the Moon is not a planet. However, I didn't want to say heavenly body because I know the sort of posts that would follow.
    The moon is bombarded with a lot more than that, every day.
    It's arrogant thinking a single spacecraft is of any significance.

    https://www.nasa.gov/centers/marshall/news/lunar/overview.html
    ...On average, 33 metric tons (73,000 lbs) of meteoroids hit Earth every day, the vast majority of which harmlessly ablates ("burns up") high in the atmosphere, never making it to the ground. The Moon, however, has little or no atmosphere, so meteoroids have nothing to stop them from striking the surface. The slowest of these rocks travels at 20 km/sec (45,000 mph); the fastest travels at over 72 km/sec (160,000 mph). At such speeds even a small meteoroid has incredible energy -- one with a mass of only 5 kg (10 lbs) can excavate a crater over 9 meters (30 ft) across, hurling 75 metric tons (165,000 lbs) of lunar soil and rock on ballistic trajectories above the lunar surface.

    The lunar impact rate is very uncertain because observations for objects in this mass range are embarrassingly few -- a single fireball survey conducted by Canadian researchers from 1971 to 1985. Clearly more observations are needed if we are to establish the rate of large meteoroids impacting the Moon.

    But why look at the Moon? We need to understand the numbers of meteoroids across a range of sizes so we can evaluate the threat to spacecraft. Small meteoroids are measured with radar as they ablate in Earth’s atmosphere. Larger meteoroids are less abundant so a large collecting area is needed to measure a statistically significant sample. The surface of the Moon provides millions of square kilometers of collecting area we can see from Earth...
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 62,191
    edited August 2023

    York to Carlisle on the Settle Carlisle on a sunny day

    Wonderful
    My wife and I enjoyed it hauled by a steam train - fantastic
  • CookieCookie Posts: 13,125

    So why do the Lionesses have a badge on their shirts featuring three male lions?

    Ignorance; sheer ignorance
    No, it's the badge of the FA. I don't think there is any country in the world which has gender-dependent badges!
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,393
    Nigelb said:

    .

    In other news, I see the Russians are further enhancing their nation's reputation for skill and derring do.


    "Russia's Luna-25 spacecraft crashes into moon" - BBC News


    Maybe they were aiming for Kiev.

    More of humankind's junk dumped on another planet*. The arrogance of our species is boundless.

    *I know that technically the Moon is not a planet. However, I didn't want to say heavenly body because I know the sort of posts that would follow.
    The moon is bombarded with a lot more than that, every day.
    It's arrogant thinking a single spacecraft is of any significance.

    https://www.nasa.gov/centers/marshall/news/lunar/overview.html
    ...On average, 33 metric tons (73,000 lbs) of meteoroids hit Earth every day, the vast majority of which harmlessly ablates ("burns up") high in the atmosphere, never making it to the ground. The Moon, however, has little or no atmosphere, so meteoroids have nothing to stop them from striking the surface. The slowest of these rocks travels at 20 km/sec (45,000 mph); the fastest travels at over 72 km/sec (160,000 mph). At such speeds even a small meteoroid has incredible energy -- one with a mass of only 5 kg (10 lbs) can excavate a crater over 9 meters (30 ft) across, hurling 75 metric tons (165,000 lbs) of lunar soil and rock on ballistic trajectories above the lunar surface.

    The lunar impact rate is very uncertain because observations for objects in this mass range are embarrassingly few -- a single fireball survey conducted by Canadian researchers from 1971 to 1985. Clearly more observations are needed if we are to establish the rate of large meteoroids impacting the Moon.

    But why look at the Moon? We need to understand the numbers of meteoroids across a range of sizes so we can evaluate the threat to spacecraft. Small meteoroids are measured with radar as they ablate in Earth’s atmosphere. Larger meteoroids are less abundant so a large collecting area is needed to measure a statistically significant sample. The surface of the Moon provides millions of square kilometers of collecting area we can see from Earth...
    This is a very serious thought in the event of us establishing a moon base. It would be essential to have multiple sealed areas to mitigate the risk.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 48,601
    DavidL said:

    Nigelb said:

    .

    In other news, I see the Russians are further enhancing their nation's reputation for skill and derring do.


    "Russia's Luna-25 spacecraft crashes into moon" - BBC News


    Maybe they were aiming for Kiev.

    More of humankind's junk dumped on another planet*. The arrogance of our species is boundless.

    *I know that technically the Moon is not a planet. However, I didn't want to say heavenly body because I know the sort of posts that would follow.
    The moon is bombarded with a lot more than that, every day.
    It's arrogant thinking a single spacecraft is of any significance.

    https://www.nasa.gov/centers/marshall/news/lunar/overview.html
    ...On average, 33 metric tons (73,000 lbs) of meteoroids hit Earth every day, the vast majority of which harmlessly ablates ("burns up") high in the atmosphere, never making it to the ground. The Moon, however, has little or no atmosphere, so meteoroids have nothing to stop them from striking the surface. The slowest of these rocks travels at 20 km/sec (45,000 mph); the fastest travels at over 72 km/sec (160,000 mph). At such speeds even a small meteoroid has incredible energy -- one with a mass of only 5 kg (10 lbs) can excavate a crater over 9 meters (30 ft) across, hurling 75 metric tons (165,000 lbs) of lunar soil and rock on ballistic trajectories above the lunar surface.

    The lunar impact rate is very uncertain because observations for objects in this mass range are embarrassingly few -- a single fireball survey conducted by Canadian researchers from 1971 to 1985. Clearly more observations are needed if we are to establish the rate of large meteoroids impacting the Moon.

    But why look at the Moon? We need to understand the numbers of meteoroids across a range of sizes so we can evaluate the threat to spacecraft. Small meteoroids are measured with radar as they ablate in Earth’s atmosphere. Larger meteoroids are less abundant so a large collecting area is needed to measure a statistically significant sample. The surface of the Moon provides millions of square kilometers of collecting area we can see from Earth...
    This is a very serious thought in the event of us establishing a moon base. It would be essential to have multiple sealed areas to mitigate the risk.
    Lava tubes….
  • Betting Post

    Bet365 has boosted England to lift the trophy to 7/4. Match starts in 5 mins.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,393
    viewcode said:

    So why do the Lionesses have a badge on their shirts featuring three male lions?

    You don't look like Yannis Varoufakis any more. It's disorientating. :)
    Let's face it, even Yannis Varoufakis doesn't look like Yannis Varoufakis anymore.
  • This morning's dilemma:

    Do I stay at home to watch the fitba, or head down to the station to watch a Jubilee steaming through Airedale?

    Nah, it's just a dirty, smelly, noisy, inefficient, polluting steam engine :lol:
  • CookieCookie Posts: 13,125
    Anyway, betting post: we'll be at Old Trafford later, and while I view "Manchester Originals" as a weird and arbitrary creation, and not 'my' team, my daughters have no such nuance (though they will be baffled and disappointed by the absence of Lanky the Giraffe). And importantly, my middle daughter has on 12 occasions watching live sport only ever seen 'her' team win. So Manchester will definitely, definitely win.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,527
    edited August 2023

    In other news, I see the Russians are further enhancing their nation's reputation for skill and derring do.


    "Russia's Luna-25 spacecraft crashes into moon" - BBC News


    Maybe they were aiming for Kiev.

    More of humankind's junk dumped on another planet*. The arrogance of our species is boundless.

    *I know that technically the Moon is not a planet. However, I didn't want to say heavenly body because I know the sort of posts that would follow.
    Bollocks

    The result of a space craft crash on the moon will be indistinguishable from the results of the chunks of space rock that hit the moon every day. Even if you walked up to the crater 10 minutes after it happened.

    It will just be another hole in the ground, among a zillion holes in the ground.
    If you watch the final episode of Battlestar Galactica you can clearly see a Viper falling off the ship onto the Moon. When they find it a few heads will turn.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,546

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    Shouldn't this be on PB (English subsection)?

    Like @Leon has said in the past, this inferiority complex is really weird.
    What inferiority? I don't slavishly follow any football team, let alone some other country's, and I certainly don't go around claiming that the bloated cost of the RF is justified by the height of some numinous profile. 90% of which is the Ruritanian family soap opera element anyway.
    You (and @Theuniondivvie did so a couple of weeks ago) get triggered by any mention or putative celebration of English success in sport.

    It stirs something deep within the Nat psyche; hence comments like this.
    Great, the Nat explainer has logged on.
    We certainly seem to occupy a place deep in your psyche, and don’t even have to pay rent!
  • This morning's dilemma:

    Do I stay at home to watch the fitba, or head down to the station to watch a Jubilee steaming through Airedale?

    Nah, it's just a dirty, smelly, noisy, inefficient, polluting steam engine :lol:
    And absolutely wonderful
  • God Save our Fucking King!

    [runs and hides]
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,527
    Cookie said:

    Anyway, betting post: we'll be at Old Trafford later, and while I view "Manchester Originals" as a weird and arbitrary creation, and not 'my' team, my daughters have no such nuance (though they will be baffled and disappointed by the absence of Lanky the Giraffe). And importantly, my middle daughter has on 12 occasions watching live sport only ever seen 'her' team win. So Manchester will definitely, definitely win.

    Whenever I hear about the Originals I think of this -

    https://youtu.be/PROS7aKoZuY?si=9QjDr6wo79qheHk0
  • CookieCookie Posts: 13,125
    "God save the King" continues to sound weird. There always sounds to my ears to be a slight awkward pause before 'king'. I reckon the number of people fully comfortable with the new anthem is somewhere under 20%.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 13,677
    edited August 2023
    kinabalu said:

    Wills should be there imo and I'm a bit surprised he isn't. It's the distance, I suppose. Have people seen where Australia is? Have a look at a globe. You couldn't get any further away and still call yourself Earth.

    The logistics aren't the issue. If Baldy had wanted to go to Australia then BA would IDB absolutely any other passenger to accommodate him and his nut sucking entourage.

  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 77,490
    Cookie said:

    Anyway, betting post: we'll be at Old Trafford later, and while I view "Manchester Originals" as a weird and arbitrary creation, and not 'my' team, my daughters have no such nuance (though they will be baffled and disappointed by the absence of Lanky the Giraffe). And importantly, my middle daughter has on 12 occasions watching live sport only ever seen 'her' team win. So Manchester will definitely, definitely win.

    My daughter was born and lives in Nottinghamshire, mother's side is all Yorkshire and I'm from Coventry. So she'll have a choice of hundred/cricketing loyalties if she wants ..
  • CookieCookie Posts: 13,125
    This commentator does not sound well. I wonder if they have contingency arrangement?
  • Crisp winter evening in Australia apparently
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,546
    Cookie said:

    "God save the King" continues to sound weird. There always sounds to my ears to be a slight awkward pause before 'king'. I reckon the number of people fully comfortable with the new anthem is somewhere under 20%.

    What percentage of the general populace felt comfortable with the old anthem? I imagine 20% is a subset of a subset.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 31,502

    Lots of social media messages from politicians saying the entire nation is cheering for the Lionesses. But that’s not true. Unless that nation is England. And if England is a nation, so are Wales and Scotland (Northern Ireland is more complicated). And if England, Scotland and Wales are nations, how can the UK be a nation state?

    After the Second World War the government ought to have insisted on one UK team. There wouldn't have been much of a fuss at the time if they'd done it then.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,646
    Sounds like the BBC and Spanish TV commentary boxes have been placed adjacent. Ozzie humour.
  • IanB2 said:

    Sounds like the BBC and Spanish TV commentary boxes have been placed adjacent. Ozzie humour.

    Changed to ITV because of it
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,278
    Wrt women's football.
    I notice the Super League, and all the leagues down the pyramid have only 12 teams.
    Surely this is a major contributory cause of the lower pay? It's difficult to get into a habit of supporting a club, and get exposure for sponsors, etc., with only 11 home games in 9 months.
    Are there any plans to increase?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 77,490

    IanB2 said:

    Sounds like the BBC and Spanish TV commentary boxes have been placed adjacent. Ozzie humour.

    Changed to ITV because of it
    They've fixed the issue
  • Pulpstar said:

    IanB2 said:

    Sounds like the BBC and Spanish TV commentary boxes have been placed adjacent. Ozzie humour.

    Changed to ITV because of it
    They've fixed the issue
    Thanks - prefer BBC
  • TresTres Posts: 2,655
    edited August 2023
    Andy_JS said:

    Lots of social media messages from politicians saying the entire nation is cheering for the Lionesses. But that’s not true. Unless that nation is England. And if England is a nation, so are Wales and Scotland (Northern Ireland is more complicated). And if England, Scotland and Wales are nations, how can the UK be a nation state?

    After the Second World War the government ought to have insisted on one UK team. There wouldn't have been much of a fuss at the time if they'd done it then.
    After the Second World War no UK team had ever taken part in the World Cup. But the home nations would regularly play each other and all 4 football associations eventually joined FIFA.
  • Cookie said:

    "God save the King" continues to sound weird. There always sounds to my ears to be a slight awkward pause before 'king'. I reckon the number of people fully comfortable with the new anthem is somewhere under 20%.

    Some of us had to learn to sing ‘Queen’ rather than ‘King’!

    A long time ago, admittedly!
    I remember it well
  • Tres said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Lots of social media messages from politicians saying the entire nation is cheering for the Lionesses. But that’s not true. Unless that nation is England. And if England is a nation, so are Wales and Scotland (Northern Ireland is more complicated). And if England, Scotland and Wales are nations, how can the UK be a nation state?

    After the Second World War the government ought to have insisted on one UK team. There wouldn't have been much of a fuss at the time if they'd done it then.
    After the Second World War no UK team had ever taken part in the World Cup. But the home nations would regularly play each other and all 4 football associations eventually joined FIFA.
    DisUnited Kingdom!
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,393
    Pulpstar said:

    IanB2 said:

    Sounds like the BBC and Spanish TV commentary boxes have been placed adjacent. Ozzie humour.

    Changed to ITV because of it
    They've fixed the issue
    Did they consult Larry Grayson?
  • This morning's dilemma:

    Do I stay at home to watch the fitba, or head down to the station to watch a Jubilee steaming through Airedale?

    Nah, it's just a dirty, smelly, noisy, inefficient, polluting steam engine :lol:
    And absolutely wonderful
    I did the connection from Wareham to Corfe Castle on Wednesday. Heritage diesel units.
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,573
    Yawn. Another tirade against the monarchy from TSE presumably designed to rile the usual suspects.

    Of course England have a good chance of winning. They have a foreign manager.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 13,125
    Pulpstar said:

    Cookie said:

    Anyway, betting post: we'll be at Old Trafford later, and while I view "Manchester Originals" as a weird and arbitrary creation, and not 'my' team, my daughters have no such nuance (though they will be baffled and disappointed by the absence of Lanky the Giraffe). And importantly, my middle daughter has on 12 occasions watching live sport only ever seen 'her' team win. So Manchester will definitely, definitely win.

    My daughter was born and lives in Nottinghamshire, mother's side is all Yorkshire and I'm from Coventry. So she'll have a choice of hundred/cricketing loyalties if she wants ..

    All five of us are from minor counties, so can take our pick really. But with OT 20 minutes away door to door, a 'shall-we-do-this?' became a happy habit. I like also that my grandfather used to be a member. My in-laws are from South London, so Surrey is the girls' second team.
    How old is she? I first took my two to the T20 when they were 8 and 6. Really is a lovely thing to do with kids that age.
  • York to Carlisle on the Settle Carlisle on a sunny day

    Wonderful
    My wife and I enjoyed it hauled by a steam train - fantastic
    Burning of coal contributed significantly to climate change over the last 150 years.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 13,125
    Why are England playing in blue? What's wrong with white?
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,393
    Oh that deserved a goal.
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