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    AlsoLeiAlsoLei Posts: 871

    Cookie said:

    "God save the King" continues to sound weird. There always sounds to my ears to be a slight awkward pause before 'king'. I reckon the number of people fully comfortable with the new anthem is somewhere under 20%.

    What percentage of the general populace felt comfortable with the old anthem? I imagine 20% is a subset of a subset.
    Mm, does anyone really sing it often enough to become used to one set of words or another? People involved with international sports, I suppose... but I can't imagine there are many others.
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    TazTaz Posts: 11,519

    This morning's dilemma:

    Do I stay at home to watch the fitba, or head down to the station to watch a Jubilee steaming through Airedale?

    Nah, it's just a dirty, smelly, noisy, inefficient, polluting steam engine :lol:
    And absolutely wonderful
    I did the connection from Wareham to Corfe Castle on Wednesday. Heritage diesel units.
    The heritage line all the way into Swanage is marvellous.
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    CookieCookie Posts: 11,628

    Cookie said:

    "God save the King" continues to sound weird. There always sounds to my ears to be a slight awkward pause before 'king'. I reckon the number of people fully comfortable with the new anthem is somewhere under 20%.

    What percentage of the general populace felt comfortable with the old anthem? I imagine 20% is a subset of a subset.
    I reckon well over 50% were comfortable with the old one. Most people saw it as just how things were. People just sang it. Now, it jars slightly: people think "we have a king?", and also think "what, that guy?".
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    York to Carlisle on the Settle Carlisle on a sunny day

    Wonderful
    My wife and I enjoyed it hauled by a steam train - fantastic
    Burning of coal contributed significantly to climate change over the last 150 years.
    Still fantastic to see our heritage steam trains in full steam
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    DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 24,798
    edited August 2023
    Cookie said:

    Why are England playing in blue? What's wrong with white?

    Both teams would be wearing dark blue shorts.

    ETA and England's home kit has dark shorts because of women's problems.
    https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/23547284/england-blue-kits-against-spain-womens-world-cup-final/
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    Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 13,141
    This is an amazing glimpse inside a dying government.

    https://archive.md/WIyRT

    “It’s a f***ing stupid idea,” said one minister. “If you’ve got a really big political problem it’s best not to make a statue of it for everyone to stare at.”
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    TazTaz Posts: 11,519
    So when will Just Stop Oil appear and throw orange gunk around 🤔
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,601
    AlsoLei said:

    Cookie said:

    "God save the King" continues to sound weird. There always sounds to my ears to be a slight awkward pause before 'king'. I reckon the number of people fully comfortable with the new anthem is somewhere under 20%.

    What percentage of the general populace felt comfortable with the old anthem? I imagine 20% is a subset of a subset.
    Mm, does anyone really sing it often enough to become used to one set of words or another? People involved with international sports, I suppose... but I can't imagine there are many others.
    The number of Joint minutes and other court documents you still need to amend at the last minute...It's HIS Majesty's Advocate but when you have HER for your entire career it doesn't come easy.
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,601
    Cookie said:

    Why are England playing in blue? What's wrong with white?

    Seem to work for City.
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    CookieCookie Posts: 11,628

    Cookie said:

    Why are England playing in blue? What's wrong with white?

    Both teams would be wearing dark blue shorts.
    That's interesting - thanks. Had never considered shorts an issue but of course if you're playing a game like football where you're looking down a lot, that makes sense.
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    Things that we can always be sure of.

    TSE will find some fatuous reason to criticise the Monarchy.
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    TazTaz Posts: 11,519
    Dura_Ace said:

    This is an amazing glimpse inside a dying government.

    https://archive.md/WIyRT

    “It’s a f***ing stupid idea,” said one minister. “If you’ve got a really big political problem it’s best not to make a statue of it for everyone to stare at.”

    What a shambles. What a complete and utter shambles. Braverman really is a piece of work.
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 42,266

    Yawn. Another tirade against the monarchy from TSE presumably designed to rile the usual suspects.

    Of course England have a good chance of winning. They have a foreign manager.

    50% chance I would think
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    CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 40,208

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    Shouldn't this be on PB (English subsection)?

    Like @Leon has said in the past, this inferiority complex is really weird.
    What inferiority? I don't slavishly follow any football team, let alone some other country's, and I certainly don't go around claiming that the bloated cost of the RF is justified by the height of some numinous profile. 90% of which is the Ruritanian family soap opera element anyway.
    You (and @Theuniondivvie did so a couple of weeks ago) get triggered by any mention or putative celebration of English success in sport.

    It stirs something deep within the Nat psyche; hence comments like this.
    Great, the Nat explainer has logged on.
    We certainly seem to occupy a place deep in your psyche, and don’t even have to pay rent!
    We should charge?
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 42,266
    AlsoLei said:

    Cookie said:

    "God save the King" continues to sound weird. There always sounds to my ears to be a slight awkward pause before 'king'. I reckon the number of people fully comfortable with the new anthem is somewhere under 20%.

    What percentage of the general populace felt comfortable with the old anthem? I imagine 20% is a subset of a subset.
    Mm, does anyone really sing it often enough to become used to one set of words or another? People involved with international sports, I suppose... but I can't imagine there are many others.
    Would not sing it even if they had my bollox in a vice
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    CookieCookie Posts: 11,628
    These Spanish are dirty bastards. One of the things I like about women's football us that you tend to see less cheating. But the Spanish aren't much better than their men's team in that respect.
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 42,266
    Cookie said:

    These Spanish are dirty bastards. One of the things I like about women's football us that you tend to see less cheating. But the Spanish aren't much better than their men's team in that respect.

    Is that a sign things look bleak for England already
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    CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 40,208
    edited August 2023

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    Shouldn't this be on PB (English subsection)?

    Like @Leon has said in the past, this inferiority complex is really weird.
    What inferiority? I don't slavishly follow any football team, let alone some other country's, and I certainly don't go around claiming that the bloated cost of the RF is justified by the height of some numinous profile. 90% of which is the Ruritanian family soap opera element anyway.
    You (and @Theuniondivvie did so a couple of weeks ago) get triggered by any mention or putative celebration of English success in sport.

    It stirs something deep within the Nat pschy; hence comments like this.
    Wrong there. It's this idea thast you *have* to support a national team to be patriotic. I don't give a monkey's about the Scottish teams either.

    To be fair, as I recall, the PB righties and HMG were extremely unwilling to support England (Male) at footie because they were all woke, so it's not a required shibboleth.
    Neither do I. I couldn't care less about football and am not watching it today.

    But that's not what your post was about. Your post was about nationalism.
    It was: *English* nationalism. Not Scottish. Why should my taxes go to waste time on it.

    It's the classic Unionist mistake. Scottish independista complains about being governed by some other country (which is not what this is about). Doesn't matter *what* other country, actually: it's the contingency tha it happens to be Westminster. Instant knee jerk: Look! He hates the English! Racist!


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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,601
    Taz said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    This is an amazing glimpse inside a dying government.

    https://archive.md/WIyRT

    “It’s a f***ing stupid idea,” said one minister. “If you’ve got a really big political problem it’s best not to make a statue of it for everyone to stare at.”

    What a shambles. What a complete and utter shambles. Braverman really is a piece of work.
    And even John Reid wasn't wrong all the time.
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    CookieCookie Posts: 11,628
    Ooh, have JSO turned up? Commentary was a bit coy about it but the implication is that tge protestor was dealt with summarily. Hopefully taken backstage for a good kicking.
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    Spain 1 up
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    TazTaz Posts: 11,519
    Y Viva Espana !
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    OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 32,174
    Spain score
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    dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 28,095
    Pretty deserved tbh.
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    Cookie said:

    Why are England playing in blue? What's wrong with white?

    England's home kit has dark blue shorts which clash with Spain's shorts.
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    Fucking Wills jinxed it by not turning up! :angry:
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,601
    Good goal in fairness. The shot was pin point.
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    CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 40,208

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    Shouldn't this be on PB (English subsection)?

    Like @Leon has said in the past, this inferiority complex is really weird.
    What inferiority? I don't slavishly follow any football team, let alone some other country's, and I certainly don't go around claiming that the bloated cost of the RF is justified by the height of some numinous profile. 90% of which is the Ruritanian family soap opera element anyway.
    You (and @Theuniondivvie did so a couple of weeks ago) get triggered by any mention or putative celebration of English success in sport.

    It stirs something deep within the Nat psyche; hence comments like this.
    I think what really riles them is when a non-English home nation sports team/person does well and the English take pleasure in supporting them too. They just can't abide that their hostility isn't reciprocated.

    Scotland will probably do better than England in the Rugby World Cup for example. Seeing English rugby supporters cheer for them in the latter stages is likely to leave Scot Nats fuming.

    That said I can't cheer on McIlroy in the golf because my mother-in-law hasn't forgiven him for dumping his girlfriend as soon as he became famous.
    Bollocks, chum. First thing I said was good luck to the ladies.

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    I think the President of the FA not attending an England World Cup Final, or any of the World Cup at all, shows that he doesn't take the title of President of the FA seriously. Its just another bauble collected.

    That's not a point about the Royal Family, but having a few individuals collecting dozens of titles each of roles they supposedly have is just going to ensure those roles aren't taken seriously anymore. George Osborne was criticised when he had 6 jobs IIRC too.
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    CookieCookie Posts: 11,628
    malcolmg said:

    AlsoLei said:

    Cookie said:

    "God save the King" continues to sound weird. There always sounds to my ears to be a slight awkward pause before 'king'. I reckon the number of people fully comfortable with the new anthem is somewhere under 20%.

    What percentage of the general populace felt comfortable with the old anthem? I imagine 20% is a subset of a subset.
    Mm, does anyone really sing it often enough to become used to one set of words or another? People involved with international sports, I suppose... but I can't imagine there are many others.
    Would not sing it even if they had my bollox in a vice
    Haha - Absolutely fascinated to consider the circumstances in which that scenario might come about!
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    Last time England won the world cup they conceded first.

    #Omens
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    TazTaz Posts: 11,519
    Cookie said:

    Ooh, have JSO turned up? Commentary was a bit coy about it but the implication is that tge protestor was dealt with summarily. Hopefully taken backstage for a good kicking.

    Anti Pooty-Poot.

    https://x.com/theaviator1992/status/1693208451604959470?s=61&t=s0ae0IFncdLS1Dc7J0P_TQ
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    DavidL said:

    Good goal in fairness. The shot was pin point.

    Also deserved goal in fairness, they'd had a number of really good chances.

    Hopefully we can come back. Come on the Lionesses!
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 42,266
    Yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! come on the Senoritas
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,601

    DavidL said:

    Good goal in fairness. The shot was pin point.

    Also deserved goal in fairness, they'd had a number of really good chances.

    Hopefully we can come back. Come on the Lionesses!
    The shot off the bar was the closest before that. I think it has been a very even game.
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    kinabalukinabalu Posts: 39,556
    malcolmg said:

    Yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! come on the Senoritas

    Is that their actual nickname, the Senoritas?
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 42,266
    Cookie said:

    malcolmg said:

    AlsoLei said:

    Cookie said:

    "God save the King" continues to sound weird. There always sounds to my ears to be a slight awkward pause before 'king'. I reckon the number of people fully comfortable with the new anthem is somewhere under 20%.

    What percentage of the general populace felt comfortable with the old anthem? I imagine 20% is a subset of a subset.
    Mm, does anyone really sing it often enough to become used to one set of words or another? People involved with international sports, I suppose... but I can't imagine there are many others.
    Would not sing it even if they had my bollox in a vice
    Haha - Absolutely fascinated to consider the circumstances in which that scenario might come about!
    Cookie you never know with these devious unionists, they are sneaky
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    CookieCookie Posts: 11,628
    Taz said:

    Cookie said:

    Ooh, have JSO turned up? Commentary was a bit coy about it but the implication is that tge protestor was dealt with summarily. Hopefully taken backstage for a good kicking.

    Anti Pooty-Poot.

    https://x.com/theaviator1992/status/1693208451604959470?s=61&t=s0ae0IFncdLS1Dc7J0P_TQ
    Hiw the bloody hell is doing that supposed to help his cause or change any minds?
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    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    Good goal in fairness. The shot was pin point.

    Also deserved goal in fairness, they'd had a number of really good chances.

    Hopefully we can come back. Come on the Lionesses!
    The shot off the bar was the closest before that. I think it has been a very even game.
    The Spanish counter-attack just after that was a better chance I thought but was somehow kicked towards the keeper and cleared, she was pretty much clear on target but shot at the keeper.
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 42,266
    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    Good goal in fairness. The shot was pin point.

    Also deserved goal in fairness, they'd had a number of really good chances.

    Hopefully we can come back. Come on the Lionesses!
    The shot off the bar was the closest before that. I think it has been a very even game.
    David is that like I only lost one leg but can still hop
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    Cookie said:

    malcolmg said:

    AlsoLei said:

    Cookie said:

    "God save the King" continues to sound weird. There always sounds to my ears to be a slight awkward pause before 'king'. I reckon the number of people fully comfortable with the new anthem is somewhere under 20%.

    What percentage of the general populace felt comfortable with the old anthem? I imagine 20% is a subset of a subset.
    Mm, does anyone really sing it often enough to become used to one set of words or another? People involved with international sports, I suppose... but I can't imagine there are many others.
    Would not sing it even if they had my bollox in a vice
    Haha - Absolutely fascinated to consider the circumstances in which that scenario might come about!
    Humza Yousaf passes a law which says Malcolm has to say nice things about Nicola Sturgeon or his balls end up in a vice.
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    boulayboulay Posts: 4,163
    kinabalu said:

    malcolmg said:

    Yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! come on the Senoritas

    Is that their actual nickname, the Senoritas?
    Their nickname is the Paellas.
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    Taz said:

    This morning's dilemma:

    Do I stay at home to watch the fitba, or head down to the station to watch a Jubilee steaming through Airedale?

    Nah, it's just a dirty, smelly, noisy, inefficient, polluting steam engine :lol:
    And absolutely wonderful
    I did the connection from Wareham to Corfe Castle on Wednesday. Heritage diesel units.
    The heritage line all the way into Swanage is marvellous.
    I did Norden to Swanage back in 2017, this was unfinished business :)
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    Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 31,066
    edited August 2023
    malcolmg said:

    Yawn. Another tirade against the monarchy from TSE presumably designed to rile the usual suspects.

    Of course England have a good chance of winning. They have a foreign manager.

    50% chance I would think
    It does seem that for once a major championship probably does have the two best in form teams playing in the final. England's record under their Dutch manager is remarkable and they are the current European champions. Meanwhile the Spanish team are the world Under 17s and European under 21s champions.

    I would like to see England win but have been more impressed by Spain in this competition to date.
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 63,389

    Spain 1 up

    I blame William.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,344

    Lots of social media messages from politicians saying the entire nation is cheering for the Lionesses. But that’s not true. Unless that nation is England. And if England is a nation, so are Wales and Scotland (Northern Ireland is more complicated). And if England, Scotland and Wales are nations, how can the UK be a nation state?

    They are countries but only the UK is a sovereign nation
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    kinabalukinabalu Posts: 39,556
    AlsoLei said:

    Cookie said:

    "God save the King" continues to sound weird. There always sounds to my ears to be a slight awkward pause before 'king'. I reckon the number of people fully comfortable with the new anthem is somewhere under 20%.

    What percentage of the general populace felt comfortable with the old anthem? I imagine 20% is a subset of a subset.
    Mm, does anyone really sing it often enough to become used to one set of words or another? People involved with international sports, I suppose... but I can't imagine there are many others.
    Not sure about that. Hyufd and Casino start the day with it, I know that for a fact, and I imagine there'll be others.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,344
    Spain 1 England 0.

    Looks like the Prince may have made the right call after all then but still time for England to catch up I suppose
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    Things that we can always be sure of.

    TSE will find some fatuous reason to criticise the Monarchy.

    I speak for the nation on this.

    See the polling, see the most read story on the BBC website.
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    TazTaz Posts: 11,519

    Taz said:

    This morning's dilemma:

    Do I stay at home to watch the fitba, or head down to the station to watch a Jubilee steaming through Airedale?

    Nah, it's just a dirty, smelly, noisy, inefficient, polluting steam engine :lol:
    And absolutely wonderful
    I did the connection from Wareham to Corfe Castle on Wednesday. Heritage diesel units.
    The heritage line all the way into Swanage is marvellous.
    I did Norden to Swanage back in 2017, this was unfinished business :)
    I couldn’t imagine you not having done it. 😀

    Your devotion to your cause is very impressive
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    Lots of social media messages from politicians saying the entire nation is cheering for the Lionesses. But that’s not true. Unless that nation is England. And if England is a nation, so are Wales and Scotland (Northern Ireland is more complicated). And if England, Scotland and Wales are nations, how can the UK be a nation state?

    You've never heard of the term "home nations"? How can this be a new concept to you.

    England is the nation.

    The UK is a state.
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,601
    Nigelb said:

    Spain 1 up

    I blame William.
    Can he get there for the second half?
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 42,266
    boulay said:

    kinabalu said:

    malcolmg said:

    Yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! come on the Senoritas

    Is that their actual nickname, the Senoritas?
    Their nickname is the Paellas.
    Oh dear , do they get eaten a lot.
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    TazTaz Posts: 11,519
    edited August 2023
    Nigelb said:

    Spain 1 up

    I blame William.
    He’s tuned in and cheering them on. He’s there in spirit.
    malcolmg said:

    boulay said:

    kinabalu said:

    malcolmg said:

    Yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! come on the Senoritas

    Is that their actual nickname, the Senoritas?
    Their nickname is the Paellas.
    Oh dear , do they get eaten a lot.
    Malc !!!!!
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,344
    edited August 2023
    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    Shouldn't this be on PB (English subsection)?

    Like @Leon has said in the past, this inferiority complex is really weird.
    What inferiority? I don't slavishly follow any football team, let alone some other country's, and I certainly don't go around claiming that the bloated cost of the RF is justified by the height of some numinous profile. 90% of which is the Ruritanian family soap opera element anyway.
    You (and @Theuniondivvie did so a couple of weeks ago) get triggered by any mention or putative celebration of English success in sport.

    It stirs something deep within the Nat pschy; hence comments like this.
    Wrong there. It's this idea thast you *have* to support a national team to be patriotic. I don't give a monkey's about the Scottish teams either.

    To be fair, as I recall, the PB righties and HMG were extremely unwilling to support England (Male) at footie because they were all woke, so it's not a required shibboleth.
    Neither do I. I couldn't care less about football and am not watching it today.

    But that's not what your post was about. Your post was about nationalism.
    It was: *English* nationalism. Not Scottish. Why should my taxes go to waste time on it.

    It's the classic Unionist mistake. Scottish independista complains about being governed by some other country (which is not what this is about). Doesn't matter *what* other country, actually: it's the contingency tha it happens to be Westminster. Instant knee jerk: Look! He hates the English! Racist!


    Look, you know full well most Scottish Nationalists like you and MalcG would rather see England lose a World Cup final than Scotland win a World Cup final. For Scottish Nationalists hatred of England is even more the driver than pride in Scotland
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,601

    malcolmg said:

    Yawn. Another tirade against the monarchy from TSE presumably designed to rile the usual suspects.

    Of course England have a good chance of winning. They have a foreign manager.

    50% chance I would think
    It does seem that for once a major championship probably does have the two best in form teams playing in the final. England's record under their Dutch manager is remarkable and they are the current European champions. Meanwhile the Spanish team are the world Under 17s and European under 21s champions.

    I would like to see England win but have been more impressed by Spain in this competition to date.
    England have not got close to the peaks of their play at the Euros which in some ways makes their arrival in the final unbeaten all the more remarkable. But they have yet to meet a team anywhere near this quality.
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 42,266

    malcolmg said:

    Yawn. Another tirade against the monarchy from TSE presumably designed to rile the usual suspects.

    Of course England have a good chance of winning. They have a foreign manager.

    50% chance I would think
    It does seem that for once a major championship probably does have the two best in form teams playing in the final. England's record under their Dutch manager is remarkable and they are the current European champions. Meanwhile the Spanish team are the world Under 17s and European under 21s champions.

    I would like to see England win but have been more impressed by Spain in this competition to date.
    Not watched or read anything much on it at all and neutral but expected Spain to win given the usual over hyping by media for England teams.
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    DavidL said:

    malcolmg said:

    Yawn. Another tirade against the monarchy from TSE presumably designed to rile the usual suspects.

    Of course England have a good chance of winning. They have a foreign manager.

    50% chance I would think
    It does seem that for once a major championship probably does have the two best in form teams playing in the final. England's record under their Dutch manager is remarkable and they are the current European champions. Meanwhile the Spanish team are the world Under 17s and European under 21s champions.

    I would like to see England win but have been more impressed by Spain in this competition to date.
    England have not got close to the peaks of their play at the Euros which in some ways makes their arrival in the final unbeaten all the more remarkable. But they have yet to meet a team anywhere near this quality.
    I thought they were pretty close to it in the Semi, that was quite a comprehensive victory against a good side.
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    TazTaz Posts: 11,519
    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    Shouldn't this be on PB (English subsection)?

    Like @Leon has said in the past, this inferiority complex is really weird.
    What inferiority? I don't slavishly follow any football team, let alone some other country's, and I certainly don't go around claiming that the bloated cost of the RF is justified by the height of some numinous profile. 90% of which is the Ruritanian family soap opera element anyway.
    You (and @Theuniondivvie did so a couple of weeks ago) get triggered by any mention or putative celebration of English success in sport.

    It stirs something deep within the Nat pschy; hence comments like this.
    Wrong there. It's this idea thast you *have* to support a national team to be patriotic. I don't give a monkey's about the Scottish teams either.

    To be fair, as I recall, the PB righties and HMG were extremely unwilling to support England (Male) at footie because they were all woke, so it's not a required shibboleth.
    Neither do I. I couldn't care less about football and am not watching it today.

    But that's not what your post was about. Your post was about nationalism.
    It was: *English* nationalism. Not Scottish. Why should my taxes go to waste time on it.

    It's the classic Unionist mistake. Scottish independista complains about being governed by some other country (which is not what this is about). Doesn't matter *what* other country, actually: it's the contingency tha it happens to be Westminster. Instant knee jerk: Look! He hates the English! Racist!


    Look, you know full well most Scottish Nationalists like you and MalcG would rather see England lose a World Cup final than Scotland win a World Cup final. For Scottish Nationalists hatred of England is even more the driver than pride in Scotland
    But there are many English who would, in reverse, apply the same principle if it was Wales or Scotland in the final, or even qualifying.
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 42,266
    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    Shouldn't this be on PB (English subsection)?

    Like @Leon has said in the past, this inferiority complex is really weird.
    What inferiority? I don't slavishly follow any football team, let alone some other country's, and I certainly don't go around claiming that the bloated cost of the RF is justified by the height of some numinous profile. 90% of which is the Ruritanian family soap opera element anyway.
    You (and @Theuniondivvie did so a couple of weeks ago) get triggered by any mention or putative celebration of English success in sport.

    It stirs something deep within the Nat pschy; hence comments like this.
    Wrong there. It's this idea thast you *have* to support a national team to be patriotic. I don't give a monkey's about the Scottish teams either.

    To be fair, as I recall, the PB righties and HMG were extremely unwilling to support England (Male) at footie because they were all woke, so it's not a required shibboleth.
    Neither do I. I couldn't care less about football and am not watching it today.

    But that's not what your post was about. Your post was about nationalism.
    It was: *English* nationalism. Not Scottish. Why should my taxes go to waste time on it.

    It's the classic Unionist mistake. Scottish independista complains about being governed by some other country (which is not what this is about). Doesn't matter *what* other country, actually: it's the contingency tha it happens to be Westminster. Instant knee jerk: Look! He hates the English! Racist!


    Look, you know full well most Scottish Nationalists like you and MalcG would rather see England lose a World Cup final than Scotland win a World Cup final. For Scottish Nationalists hatred of England is even more the driver than pride in Scotland
    You really are a sad individual.
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    Taz said:

    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    Shouldn't this be on PB (English subsection)?

    Like @Leon has said in the past, this inferiority complex is really weird.
    What inferiority? I don't slavishly follow any football team, let alone some other country's, and I certainly don't go around claiming that the bloated cost of the RF is justified by the height of some numinous profile. 90% of which is the Ruritanian family soap opera element anyway.
    You (and @Theuniondivvie did so a couple of weeks ago) get triggered by any mention or putative celebration of English success in sport.

    It stirs something deep within the Nat pschy; hence comments like this.
    Wrong there. It's this idea thast you *have* to support a national team to be patriotic. I don't give a monkey's about the Scottish teams either.

    To be fair, as I recall, the PB righties and HMG were extremely unwilling to support England (Male) at footie because they were all woke, so it's not a required shibboleth.
    Neither do I. I couldn't care less about football and am not watching it today.

    But that's not what your post was about. Your post was about nationalism.
    It was: *English* nationalism. Not Scottish. Why should my taxes go to waste time on it.

    It's the classic Unionist mistake. Scottish independista complains about being governed by some other country (which is not what this is about). Doesn't matter *what* other country, actually: it's the contingency tha it happens to be Westminster. Instant knee jerk: Look! He hates the English! Racist!


    Look, you know full well most Scottish Nationalists like you and MalcG would rather see England lose a World Cup final than Scotland win a World Cup final. For Scottish Nationalists hatred of England is even more the driver than pride in Scotland
    But there are many English who would, in reverse, apply the same principle if it was Wales or Scotland in the final, or even qualifying.
    I cheer for Scotland (except when they are playing against England.)

    I am anyone but Wales though, even France.
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    Cookie said:

    Ooh, have JSO turned up? Commentary was a bit coy about it but the implication is that tge protestor was dealt with summarily. Hopefully taken backstage for a good kicking.

    "A good kicking"?
    If they do, I hope the Aussies get banned from competing in the next world cup.
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 42,266
    Cookie said:

    Taz said:

    Cookie said:

    Ooh, have JSO turned up? Commentary was a bit coy about it but the implication is that tge protestor was dealt with summarily. Hopefully taken backstage for a good kicking.

    Anti Pooty-Poot.

    https://x.com/theaviator1992/status/1693208451604959470?s=61&t=s0ae0IFncdLS1Dc7J0P_TQ
    Hiw the bloody hell is doing that supposed to help his cause or change any minds?
    I am banned from Twitter, Elon does not like Russians getting told they are losers.
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    Taz said:

    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    Shouldn't this be on PB (English subsection)?

    Like @Leon has said in the past, this inferiority complex is really weird.
    What inferiority? I don't slavishly follow any football team, let alone some other country's, and I certainly don't go around claiming that the bloated cost of the RF is justified by the height of some numinous profile. 90% of which is the Ruritanian family soap opera element anyway.
    You (and @Theuniondivvie did so a couple of weeks ago) get triggered by any mention or putative celebration of English success in sport.

    It stirs something deep within the Nat pschy; hence comments like this.
    Wrong there. It's this idea thast you *have* to support a national team to be patriotic. I don't give a monkey's about the Scottish teams either.

    To be fair, as I recall, the PB righties and HMG were extremely unwilling to support England (Male) at footie because they were all woke, so it's not a required shibboleth.
    Neither do I. I couldn't care less about football and am not watching it today.

    But that's not what your post was about. Your post was about nationalism.
    It was: *English* nationalism. Not Scottish. Why should my taxes go to waste time on it.

    It's the classic Unionist mistake. Scottish independista complains about being governed by some other country (which is not what this is about). Doesn't matter *what* other country, actually: it's the contingency tha it happens to be Westminster. Instant knee jerk: Look! He hates the English! Racist!


    Look, you know full well most Scottish Nationalists like you and MalcG would rather see England lose a World Cup final than Scotland win a World Cup final. For Scottish Nationalists hatred of England is even more the driver than pride in Scotland
    But there are many English who would, in reverse, apply the same principle if it was Wales or Scotland in the final, or even qualifying.
    I wouldn't, but then I don't particularly care about Wales or Scotland (though I won't say that to my Scottish Father in Law).

    The country I feel closest to outside England is Australia - and I certainly would feel some schadenfreude to see them lose even if not against England.
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    Half-time: 1-0 to Spain

    I still blame Wills for not turning up!
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    TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 40,446
    edited August 2023
    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    Shouldn't this be on PB (English subsection)?

    Like @Leon has said in the past, this inferiority complex is really weird.
    What inferiority? I don't slavishly follow any football team, let alone some other country's, and I certainly don't go around claiming that the bloated cost of the RF is justified by the height of some numinous profile. 90% of which is the Ruritanian family soap opera element anyway.
    You (and @Theuniondivvie did so a couple of weeks ago) get triggered by any mention or putative celebration of English success in sport.

    It stirs something deep within the Nat psyche; hence comments like this.
    I think what really riles them is when a non-English home nation sports team/person does well and the English take pleasure in supporting them too. They just can't abide that their hostility isn't reciprocated.

    Scotland will probably do better than England in the Rugby World Cup for example. Seeing English rugby supporters cheer for them in the latter stages is likely to leave Scot Nats fuming.

    That said I can't cheer on McIlroy in the golf because my mother-in-law hasn't forgiven him for dumping his girlfriend as soon as he became famous.
    Bollocks, chum. First thing I said was good luck to the ladies.

    The traditional ‘why don’t the Jocks support us’ psycho babble has started a bit late on this occasion.

    Of course an English sports fan has never had their nominal national broadcaster pumping out wall to wall jingoistic boosting of another country’s sports team so they really don’t have a clue on what they’re talking about.
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,601

    Taz said:

    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    Shouldn't this be on PB (English subsection)?

    Like @Leon has said in the past, this inferiority complex is really weird.
    What inferiority? I don't slavishly follow any football team, let alone some other country's, and I certainly don't go around claiming that the bloated cost of the RF is justified by the height of some numinous profile. 90% of which is the Ruritanian family soap opera element anyway.
    You (and @Theuniondivvie did so a couple of weeks ago) get triggered by any mention or putative celebration of English success in sport.

    It stirs something deep within the Nat pschy; hence comments like this.
    Wrong there. It's this idea thast you *have* to support a national team to be patriotic. I don't give a monkey's about the Scottish teams either.

    To be fair, as I recall, the PB righties and HMG were extremely unwilling to support England (Male) at footie because they were all woke, so it's not a required shibboleth.
    Neither do I. I couldn't care less about football and am not watching it today.

    But that's not what your post was about. Your post was about nationalism.
    It was: *English* nationalism. Not Scottish. Why should my taxes go to waste time on it.

    It's the classic Unionist mistake. Scottish independista complains about being governed by some other country (which is not what this is about). Doesn't matter *what* other country, actually: it's the contingency tha it happens to be Westminster. Instant knee jerk: Look! He hates the English! Racist!


    Look, you know full well most Scottish Nationalists like you and MalcG would rather see England lose a World Cup final than Scotland win a World Cup final. For Scottish Nationalists hatred of England is even more the driver than pride in Scotland
    But there are many English who would, in reverse, apply the same principle if it was Wales or Scotland in the final, or even qualifying.
    I cheer for Scotland (except when they are playing against England.)

    I am anyone but Wales though, even France.
    I would support any home team against anyone and Scotland against any other home team.
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    EabhalEabhal Posts: 6,135
    Cyclefree said:

    Scruffy hobo playing as hospital CEO (yes, the Countess of Chester Hospital, how did you guess) says on film he wants to ensure staff are able to raise concerns knowing they will be looked at thoroughly.

    https://youtu.be/eQbmkPEFluE

    Do you think he meant "looked at thoroughly" during a 9-month criminal trial into multiple charges of murder and attempted murder?

    No, me neither.

    Took about 2 mins to find that video yesterday. Surprised they didn't use it in the Panorama doc.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,344
    Taz said:

    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    Shouldn't this be on PB (English subsection)?

    Like @Leon has said in the past, this inferiority complex is really weird.
    What inferiority? I don't slavishly follow any football team, let alone some other country's, and I certainly don't go around claiming that the bloated cost of the RF is justified by the height of some numinous profile. 90% of which is the Ruritanian family soap opera element anyway.
    You (and @Theuniondivvie did so a couple of weeks ago) get triggered by any mention or putative celebration of English success in sport.

    It stirs something deep within the Nat pschy; hence comments like this.
    Wrong there. It's this idea thast you *have* to support a national team to be patriotic. I don't give a monkey's about the Scottish teams either.

    To be fair, as I recall, the PB righties and HMG were extremely unwilling to support England (Male) at footie because they were all woke, so it's not a required shibboleth.
    Neither do I. I couldn't care less about football and am not watching it today.

    But that's not what your post was about. Your post was about nationalism.
    It was: *English* nationalism. Not Scottish. Why should my taxes go to waste time on it.

    It's the classic Unionist mistake. Scottish independista complains about being governed by some other country (which is not what this is about). Doesn't matter *what* other country, actually: it's the contingency tha it happens to be Westminster. Instant knee jerk: Look! He hates the English! Racist!


    Look, you know full well most Scottish Nationalists like you and MalcG would rather see England lose a World Cup final than Scotland win a World Cup final. For Scottish Nationalists hatred of England is even more the driver than pride in Scotland
    But there are many English who would, in reverse, apply the same principle if it was Wales or Scotland in the final, or even qualifying.
    Not in my experience, most England fans want England to win, they don't particularly care about Wales or Scotland but if England go out will vaguely support the latter if they are still in the tournament
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    Cookie said:

    malcolmg said:

    AlsoLei said:

    Cookie said:

    "God save the King" continues to sound weird. There always sounds to my ears to be a slight awkward pause before 'king'. I reckon the number of people fully comfortable with the new anthem is somewhere under 20%.

    What percentage of the general populace felt comfortable with the old anthem? I imagine 20% is a subset of a subset.
    Mm, does anyone really sing it often enough to become used to one set of words or another? People involved with international sports, I suppose... but I can't imagine there are many others.
    Would not sing it even if they had my bollox in a vice
    Haha - Absolutely fascinated to consider the circumstances in which that scenario might come about!
    Humza Yousaf passes a law which says Malcolm has to say nice things about Nicola Sturgeon or his balls end up in a vice.
    "May contain traces of nuts"
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    AlsoLeiAlsoLei Posts: 871

    I think the President of the FA not attending an England World Cup Final, or any of the World Cup at all, shows that he doesn't take the title of President of the FA seriously. Its just another bauble collected.

    That's not a point about the Royal Family, but having a few individuals collecting dozens of titles each of roles they supposedly have is just going to ensure those roles aren't taken seriously anymore. George Osborne was criticised when he had 6 jobs IIRC too.

    I don't really care too much about football or the royals, but I'm fascinated by the politics around this. It's a hell of a risk to have left uncovered, and it has the feel of something that's genuinely been missed rather than the result of a deliberate decision.

    But how can it possibly have been missed? The team were known to be in good form, and there was clearly a chance that they'd go all the way to the final. Diaries should have been shuffled to make sure that someone sufficiently senior was available to travel at short notice. The government should have liaised with the palace to make sure that plans were in place.

    Blair, Cameron, and May would all have handled this properly - though with May in charge there'd have been a chance that an engine would fall off the plane or something on the way. Boris might almost have missed it, but you can be sure he'd have arranged a madcap dash at the last moment.

    But this government seems to have been caught completely unaware, which suggests that they're utterly dysfunctional. They need to sharpen up very quickly - they'll fall apart in an election campaign if they continue acting like this.
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    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    Shouldn't this be on PB (English subsection)?

    Like @Leon has said in the past, this inferiority complex is really weird.
    What inferiority? I don't slavishly follow any football team, let alone some other country's, and I certainly don't go around claiming that the bloated cost of the RF is justified by the height of some numinous profile. 90% of which is the Ruritanian family soap opera element anyway.
    You (and @Theuniondivvie did so a couple of weeks ago) get triggered by any mention or putative celebration of English success in sport.

    It stirs something deep within the Nat psyche; hence comments like this.
    I think what really riles them is when a non-English home nation sports team/person does well and the English take pleasure in supporting them too. They just can't abide that their hostility isn't reciprocated.

    Scotland will probably do better than England in the Rugby World Cup for example. Seeing English rugby supporters cheer for them in the latter stages is likely to leave Scot Nats fuming.

    That said I can't cheer on McIlroy in the golf because my mother-in-law hasn't forgiven him for dumping his girlfriend as soon as he became famous.
    Bollocks, chum. First thing I said was good luck to the ladies.

    The traditional ‘why don’t the Jocks support us’ psycho babble has started a bit late on this occasion.

    Of course an English sports fan has never had their nominal national broadcaster pumping out wall to wall jingoistic boosting of another country’s sports team so they really don’t have a clue on what they’re talking about.
    Its not an English sports fan's fault that the other home nations are pretty shit at sport to be fair.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,857
    edited August 2023
    DavidL said:

    Taz said:

    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    Shouldn't this be on PB (English subsection)?

    Like @Leon has said in the past, this inferiority complex is really weird.
    What inferiority? I don't slavishly follow any football team, let alone some other country's, and I certainly don't go around claiming that the bloated cost of the RF is justified by the height of some numinous profile. 90% of which is the Ruritanian family soap opera element anyway.
    You (and @Theuniondivvie did so a couple of weeks ago) get triggered by any mention or putative celebration of English success in sport.

    It stirs something deep within the Nat pschy; hence comments like this.
    Wrong there. It's this idea thast you *have* to support a national team to be patriotic. I don't give a monkey's about the Scottish teams either.

    To be fair, as I recall, the PB righties and HMG were extremely unwilling to support England (Male) at footie because they were all woke, so it's not a required shibboleth.
    Neither do I. I couldn't care less about football and am not watching it today.

    But that's not what your post was about. Your post was about nationalism.
    It was: *English* nationalism. Not Scottish. Why should my taxes go to waste time on it.

    It's the classic Unionist mistake. Scottish independista complains about being governed by some other country (which is not what this is about). Doesn't matter *what* other country, actually: it's the contingency tha it happens to be Westminster. Instant knee jerk: Look! He hates the English! Racist!


    Look, you know full well most Scottish Nationalists like you and MalcG would rather see England lose a World Cup final than Scotland win a World Cup final. For Scottish Nationalists hatred of England is even more the driver than pride in Scotland
    But there are many English who would, in reverse, apply the same principle if it was Wales or Scotland in the final, or even qualifying.
    I cheer for Scotland (except when they are playing against England.)

    I am anyone but Wales though, even France.
    I would support any home team against anyone and Scotland against any other home team.
    Obviously you've never had years of offensive abuse from fans of the Welsh rugby team.

    Actions have consequences. I've had wonderful weekends in Edinburgh, Dublin, Paris, and Rome on Six Nations weekends.

    Cardiff on the other hand, the Welsh inferiority complex went to a new level after 2003.
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    CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,269
    Heathener said:

    @TSE hails from Liverpool, where Bill Shankly once made the most famous quote in the history of football:

    'Some people believe football is a matter of life and death, I am very disappointed with that attitude. I can assure you it is much, much more important than that.'

    There are two aspects to this story. The first is football. The second is the monarchy. Both matter a huge amount to people in this country, for good or ill.

    So to you nay'sayers from the dawn chorus below, I'm afraid YOU are the ones who are out of touch. Football and monarchy may not be of interest in your weltanschauung but if you're interested in life in the UK then these ought to matter to you too.

    By describing the story as trivia you are abdicating yourself from British life.

    It's estimated that about 27million in this country garden in their leisure time.

    We don't discuss it enough on here, if being "interested in life in the UK" is now the test.


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    kinabalukinabalu Posts: 39,556
    boulay said:

    kinabalu said:

    malcolmg said:

    Yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! come on the Senoritas

    Is that their actual nickname, the Senoritas?
    Their nickname is the Paellas.
    They aren't the Paellas. Nor do cool people smoke bananas. I'm starting to take your claims less than seriously.
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    Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 9,349
    Do we know if William couldn't attend because he was already booked for another engagement? I'm mean if, say, he'd cancelled doing the prize-giving at, I dunno, the Blind Orphans with Terminal Cancer Society to fly off on a footie junket then the optics might have looked a tad worse.
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    AlsoLei said:

    I think the President of the FA not attending an England World Cup Final, or any of the World Cup at all, shows that he doesn't take the title of President of the FA seriously. Its just another bauble collected.

    That's not a point about the Royal Family, but having a few individuals collecting dozens of titles each of roles they supposedly have is just going to ensure those roles aren't taken seriously anymore. George Osborne was criticised when he had 6 jobs IIRC too.

    I don't really care too much about football or the royals, but I'm fascinated by the politics around this. It's a hell of a risk to have left uncovered, and it has the feel of something that's genuinely been missed rather than the result of a deliberate decision.

    But how can it possibly have been missed? The team were known to be in good form, and there was clearly a chance that they'd go all the way to the final. Diaries should have been shuffled to make sure that someone sufficiently senior was available to travel at short notice. The government should have liaised with the palace to make sure that plans were in place.

    Blair, Cameron, and May would all have handled this properly - though with May in charge there'd have been a chance that an engine would fall off the plane or something on the way. Boris might almost have missed it, but you can be sure he'd have arranged a madcap dash at the last moment.

    But this government seems to have been caught completely unaware, which suggests that they're utterly dysfunctional. They need to sharpen up very quickly - they'll fall apart in an election campaign if they continue acting like this.
    Re your penultimate paragraph, and as I recounted earlier, on our London to Sydney flight we lost an engine ex refuelling in Bangkok and had a full emergency landing back at Bangkok

    And May was PM !!!!!!!
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 50,190
    Cyclefree said:

    Scruffy hobo playing as hospital CEO (yes, the Countess of Chester Hospital, how did you guess) says on film he wants to ensure staff are able to raise concerns knowing they will be looked at thoroughly.

    https://youtu.be/eQbmkPEFluE

    Do you think he meant "looked at thoroughly" during a 9-month criminal trial into multiple charges of murder and attempted murder?

    No, me neither.

    Oh dear.

    So the boss says one thing in public, and does something very different in private. Sounds like a company I worked for which proudly displayed a page of “values” in every room, but the cynic in me saw them as a parody of how the company actually worked in practice.

    As we discussed yesterday, the NHS either needs to find internal examples of where concerns are treated seriously, and roll out that ethos and culture across the whole organisation, or they need to look at industries that do take these things seriously and get help externally.
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    Taz said:

    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    Shouldn't this be on PB (English subsection)?

    Like @Leon has said in the past, this inferiority complex is really weird.
    What inferiority? I don't slavishly follow any football team, let alone some other country's, and I certainly don't go around claiming that the bloated cost of the RF is justified by the height of some numinous profile. 90% of which is the Ruritanian family soap opera element anyway.
    You (and @Theuniondivvie did so a couple of weeks ago) get triggered by any mention or putative celebration of English success in sport.

    It stirs something deep within the Nat pschy; hence comments like this.
    Wrong there. It's this idea thast you *have* to support a national team to be patriotic. I don't give a monkey's about the Scottish teams either.

    To be fair, as I recall, the PB righties and HMG were extremely unwilling to support England (Male) at footie because they were all woke, so it's not a required shibboleth.
    Neither do I. I couldn't care less about football and am not watching it today.

    But that's not what your post was about. Your post was about nationalism.
    It was: *English* nationalism. Not Scottish. Why should my taxes go to waste time on it.

    It's the classic Unionist mistake. Scottish independista complains about being governed by some other country (which is not what this is about). Doesn't matter *what* other country, actually: it's the contingency tha it happens to be Westminster. Instant knee jerk: Look! He hates the English! Racist!


    Look, you know full well most Scottish Nationalists like you and MalcG would rather see England lose a World Cup final than Scotland win a World Cup final. For Scottish Nationalists hatred of England is even more the driver than pride in Scotland
    But there are many English who would, in reverse, apply the same principle if it was Wales or Scotland in the final, or even qualifying.
    I cheer for Scotland (except when they are playing against England.)

    I am anyone but Wales though, even France.
    I generally cheer for England - mostly in Cricket rather than football. I then cheer for teams supported by friends. I have lots of Scottish and Welsh friends so generally support them. I have many Dutch and Norwegian friends so support them. I have few German or Spanish friends so don't have any excuse to support them.

    It also depends on the teams themselves. Whilst I have many American friends the US team was arrogant and contemptous of others so I would not support them.
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    TresTres Posts: 2,275
    AlsoLei said:

    I think the President of the FA not attending an England World Cup Final, or any of the World Cup at all, shows that he doesn't take the title of President of the FA seriously. Its just another bauble collected.

    That's not a point about the Royal Family, but having a few individuals collecting dozens of titles each of roles they supposedly have is just going to ensure those roles aren't taken seriously anymore. George Osborne was criticised when he had 6 jobs IIRC too.

    I don't really care too much about football or the royals, but I'm fascinated by the politics around this. It's a hell of a risk to have left uncovered, and it has the feel of something that's genuinely been missed rather than the result of a deliberate decision.

    But how can it possibly have been missed? The team were known to be in good form, and there was clearly a chance that they'd go all the way to the final. Diaries should have been shuffled to make sure that someone sufficiently senior was available to travel at short notice. The government should have liaised with the palace to make sure that plans were in place.

    Blair, Cameron, and May would all have handled this properly - though with May in charge there'd have been a chance that an engine would fall off the plane or something on the way. Boris might almost have missed it, but you can be sure he'd have arranged a madcap dash at the last moment.

    But this government seems to have been caught completely unaware, which suggests that they're utterly dysfunctional. They need to sharpen up very quickly - they'll fall apart in an election campaign if they continue acting like this.
    the government is sending the Foreign Secretary and that seems fine to me. It's the FA's fault really although I'm not sure how much influence they have over what William does in practice.
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    TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 40,446

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    Shouldn't this be on PB (English subsection)?

    Like @Leon has said in the past, this inferiority complex is really weird.
    What inferiority? I don't slavishly follow any football team, let alone some other country's, and I certainly don't go around claiming that the bloated cost of the RF is justified by the height of some numinous profile. 90% of which is the Ruritanian family soap opera element anyway.
    You (and @Theuniondivvie did so a couple of weeks ago) get triggered by any mention or putative celebration of English success in sport.

    It stirs something deep within the Nat psyche; hence comments like this.
    I think what really riles them is when a non-English home nation sports team/person does well and the English take pleasure in supporting them too. They just can't abide that their hostility isn't reciprocated.

    Scotland will probably do better than England in the Rugby World Cup for example. Seeing English rugby supporters cheer for them in the latter stages is likely to leave Scot Nats fuming.

    That said I can't cheer on McIlroy in the golf because my mother-in-law hasn't forgiven him for dumping his girlfriend as soon as he became famous.
    Bollocks, chum. First thing I said was good luck to the ladies.

    The traditional ‘why don’t the Jocks support us’ psycho babble has started a bit late on this occasion.

    Of course an English sports fan has never had their nominal national broadcaster pumping out wall to wall jingoistic boosting of another country’s sports team so they really don’t have a clue on what they’re talking about.
    Its not an English sports fan's fault that the other home nations are pretty shit at sport to be fair.
    Well at least it looks like even the BBC might be a bit embarrassed to talk up the England rugby team in the upcoming WC.
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    dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 28,095
    Pretty deserved tbh.

    Do we know if William couldn't attend because he was already booked for another engagement? I'm mean if, say, he'd cancelled doing the prize-giving at, I dunno, the Blind Orphans with Terminal Cancer Society to fly off on a footie junket then the optics might have looked a tad worse.

    I believe it has been reported he's on holiday.
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    Sandpit said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Scruffy hobo playing as hospital CEO (yes, the Countess of Chester Hospital, how did you guess) says on film he wants to ensure staff are able to raise concerns knowing they will be looked at thoroughly.

    https://youtu.be/eQbmkPEFluE

    Do you think he meant "looked at thoroughly" during a 9-month criminal trial into multiple charges of murder and attempted murder?

    No, me neither.

    Oh dear.

    So the boss says one thing in public, and does something very different in private. Sounds like a company I worked for which proudly displayed a page of “values” in every room, but the cynic in me saw them as a parody of how the company actually worked in practice.

    As we discussed yesterday, the NHS either needs to find internal examples of where concerns are treated seriously, and roll out that ethos and culture across the whole organisation, or they need to look at industries that do take these things seriously and get help externally.
    The louder he talked of his honor, the faster we counted our spoons ~ Ralph Waldo Emerson

    The quote is as true now as its ever been.

    If you want a true open door policy, you implement a true open door policy, you don't shout about it on YouTube and then do bugger all about it.
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    CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 40,208

    Do we know if William couldn't attend because he was already booked for another engagement? I'm mean if, say, he'd cancelled doing the prize-giving at, I dunno, the Blind Orphans with Terminal Cancer Society to fly off on a footie junket then the optics might have looked a tad worse.

    Exactly. Bad manners if you cancel an appointment and next thing you spot your appointee at the footy. Really says a lot.
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    TazTaz Posts: 11,519
    AlsoLei said:

    I think the President of the FA not attending an England World Cup Final, or any of the World Cup at all, shows that he doesn't take the title of President of the FA seriously. Its just another bauble collected.

    That's not a point about the Royal Family, but having a few individuals collecting dozens of titles each of roles they supposedly have is just going to ensure those roles aren't taken seriously anymore. George Osborne was criticised when he had 6 jobs IIRC too.

    I don't really care too much about football or the royals, but I'm fascinated by the politics around this. It's a hell of a risk to have left uncovered, and it has the feel of something that's genuinely been missed rather than the result of a deliberate decision.

    But how can it possibly have been missed? The team were known to be in good form, and there was clearly a chance that they'd go all the way to the final. Diaries should have been shuffled to make sure that someone sufficiently senior was available to travel at short notice. The government should have liaised with the palace to make sure that plans were in place.

    Blair, Cameron, and May would all have handled this properly - though with May in charge there'd have been a chance that an engine would fall off the plane or something on the way. Boris might almost have missed it, but you can be sure he'd have arranged a madcap dash at the last moment.

    But this government seems to have been caught completely unaware, which suggests that they're utterly dysfunctional. They need to sharpen up very quickly - they'll fall apart in an election campaign if they continue acting like this.
    Blair didn’t handle the 2003 World Cup that well.

    Recalling the sports minister a few days before the game in case he lost a vote.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/caborn-ordered-back-from-world-cup-for-hospital-vote-79058.html
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    bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 8,112
    Dura_Ace said:

    This is an amazing glimpse inside a dying government.

    https://archive.md/WIyRT

    “It’s a f***ing stupid idea,” said one minister. “If you’ve got a really big political problem it’s best not to make a statue of it for everyone to stare at.”

    That was well worth reading. Braverman needs firing.
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    TazTaz Posts: 11,519
    Looking for Lauren James to stamp her authority on the game, and the opposition players.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,344
    0% of the England women's football team went to private school compared to 7% of the UK population overall. How do we encourage more privately educated girls into womens' football?
    https://twitter.com/suttontrust/status/1693174787546235342?s=20
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    England struggling and taking Russo off is strange
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    CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 40,208
    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    Shouldn't this be on PB (English subsection)?

    Like @Leon has said in the past, this inferiority complex is really weird.
    What inferiority? I don't slavishly follow any football team, let alone some other country's, and I certainly don't go around claiming that the bloated cost of the RF is justified by the height of some numinous profile. 90% of which is the Ruritanian family soap opera element anyway.
    You (and @Theuniondivvie did so a couple of weeks ago) get triggered by any mention or putative celebration of English success in sport.

    It stirs something deep within the Nat pschy; hence comments like this.
    Wrong there. It's this idea thast you *have* to support a national team to be patriotic. I don't give a monkey's about the Scottish teams either.

    To be fair, as I recall, the PB righties and HMG were extremely unwilling to support England (Male) at footie because they were all woke, so it's not a required shibboleth.
    Neither do I. I couldn't care less about football and am not watching it today.

    But that's not what your post was about. Your post was about nationalism.
    It was: *English* nationalism. Not Scottish. Why should my taxes go to waste time on it.

    It's the classic Unionist mistake. Scottish independista complains about being governed by some other country (which is not what this is about). Doesn't matter *what* other country, actually: it's the contingency tha it happens to be Westminster. Instant knee jerk: Look! He hates the English! Racist!


    Look, you know full well most Scottish Nationalists like you and MalcG would rather see England lose a World Cup final than Scotland win a World Cup final. For Scottish Nationalists hatred of England is even more the driver than pride in Scotland
    A wonderful example of the knee jerk that I'm talking about in my email. Get it into youe head, chum: I couldn't give a toss who wins or who loses at the football. Anmy football. Any sport.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,056
    Quite clear Rish, the FA and Willy have dropped a bollock here. In the event Scotland are in the rwc final I wouldn't for a second doubt Anne will be in Paris.
    Fortunately for Willy Wales are unlikely to present him a similar dilemma.
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    Carnyx said:

    Do we know if William couldn't attend because he was already booked for another engagement? I'm mean if, say, he'd cancelled doing the prize-giving at, I dunno, the Blind Orphans with Terminal Cancer Society to fly off on a footie junket then the optics might have looked a tad worse.

    Exactly. Bad manners if you cancel an appointment and next thing you spot your appointee at the footy. Really says a lot.
    This should have been in the diary of the President of the FA, the date isn't a surprise.

    If William doesn't want to be President of the FA he should resign the post and have someone else do the role.
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    kinabalukinabalu Posts: 39,556
    I don't particularly root for Scotland in team sports even when they're playing non UK opposition. However I've always got behind Andy Murray. As much as anything because of all the Scotophobic types down here who are always hating on him. Big correlation between Murray hate and right wing tory blokedom in my experience.
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 42,266

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    Shouldn't this be on PB (English subsection)?

    Like @Leon has said in the past, this inferiority complex is really weird.
    What inferiority? I don't slavishly follow any football team, let alone some other country's, and I certainly don't go around claiming that the bloated cost of the RF is justified by the height of some numinous profile. 90% of which is the Ruritanian family soap opera element anyway.
    You (and @Theuniondivvie did so a couple of weeks ago) get triggered by any mention or putative celebration of English success in sport.

    It stirs something deep within the Nat psyche; hence comments like this.
    I think what really riles them is when a non-English home nation sports team/person does well and the English take pleasure in supporting them too. They just can't abide that their hostility isn't reciprocated.

    Scotland will probably do better than England in the Rugby World Cup for example. Seeing English rugby supporters cheer for them in the latter stages is likely to leave Scot Nats fuming.

    That said I can't cheer on McIlroy in the golf because my mother-in-law hasn't forgiven him for dumping his girlfriend as soon as he became famous.
    Bollocks, chum. First thing I said was good luck to the ladies.

    The traditional ‘why don’t the Jocks support us’ psycho babble has started a bit late on this occasion.

    Of course an English sports fan has never had their nominal national broadcaster pumping out wall to wall jingoistic boosting of another country’s sports team so they really don’t have a clue on what they’re talking about.
    Its not an English sports fan's fault that the other home nations are pretty shit at sport to be fair.

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    Shouldn't this be on PB (English subsection)?

    Like @Leon has said in the past, this inferiority complex is really weird.
    What inferiority? I don't slavishly follow any football team, let alone some other country's, and I certainly don't go around claiming that the bloated cost of the RF is justified by the height of some numinous profile. 90% of which is the Ruritanian family soap opera element anyway.
    You (and @Theuniondivvie did so a couple of weeks ago) get triggered by any mention or putative celebration of English success in sport.

    It stirs something deep within the Nat psyche; hence comments like this.
    I think what really riles them is when a non-English home nation sports team/person does well and the English take pleasure in supporting them too. They just can't abide that their hostility isn't reciprocated.

    Scotland will probably do better than England in the Rugby World Cup for example. Seeing English rugby supporters cheer for them in the latter stages is likely to leave Scot Nats fuming.

    That said I can't cheer on McIlroy in the golf because my mother-in-law hasn't forgiven him for dumping his girlfriend as soon as he became famous.
    Bollocks, chum. First thing I said was good luck to the ladies.

    The traditional ‘why don’t the Jocks support us’ psycho babble has started a bit late on this occasion.

    Of course an English sports fan has never had their nominal national broadcaster pumping out wall to wall jingoistic boosting of another country’s sports team so they really don’t have a clue on what they’re talking about.
    Its not an English sports fan's fault that the other home nations are pretty shit at sport to be fair.
    You trying to pretend England are much better apart from at rounders which are children's games in other nations. One dody world cup win 60 years ago and constant humping at ASHES, tennis etc suggest otherwise.
    We remember how Murray was British when he won Wimbledon.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 50,190
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    Taz said:

    AlsoLei said:

    I think the President of the FA not attending an England World Cup Final, or any of the World Cup at all, shows that he doesn't take the title of President of the FA seriously. Its just another bauble collected.

    That's not a point about the Royal Family, but having a few individuals collecting dozens of titles each of roles they supposedly have is just going to ensure those roles aren't taken seriously anymore. George Osborne was criticised when he had 6 jobs IIRC too.

    I don't really care too much about football or the royals, but I'm fascinated by the politics around this. It's a hell of a risk to have left uncovered, and it has the feel of something that's genuinely been missed rather than the result of a deliberate decision.

    But how can it possibly have been missed? The team were known to be in good form, and there was clearly a chance that they'd go all the way to the final. Diaries should have been shuffled to make sure that someone sufficiently senior was available to travel at short notice. The government should have liaised with the palace to make sure that plans were in place.

    Blair, Cameron, and May would all have handled this properly - though with May in charge there'd have been a chance that an engine would fall off the plane or something on the way. Boris might almost have missed it, but you can be sure he'd have arranged a madcap dash at the last moment.

    But this government seems to have been caught completely unaware, which suggests that they're utterly dysfunctional. They need to sharpen up very quickly - they'll fall apart in an election campaign if they continue acting like this.
    Blair didn’t handle the 2003 World Cup that well.

    Recalling the sports minister a few days before the game in case he lost a vote.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/caborn-ordered-back-from-world-cup-for-hospital-vote-79058.html
    I remember the day of that final like it was yesterday. Pubs all open for breakfast, with a large group of us queuing outside at 7am, barely enough room to stand by the start of the match, way too many people in by the start of the extra time, and walking back to my parents’ house afterwards, very much worse for wear after about eight beers - and it still being morning!

    In the top handful of sporting days of my lifetime.
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 42,266
    dixiedean said:

    Pretty deserved tbh.

    Do we know if William couldn't attend because he was already booked for another engagement? I'm mean if, say, he'd cancelled doing the prize-giving at, I dunno, the Blind Orphans with Terminal Cancer Society to fly off on a footie junket then the optics might have looked a tad worse.

    I believe it has been reported he's on holiday.
    They are permanently on holiday
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    CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 40,208

    Carnyx said:

    Do we know if William couldn't attend because he was already booked for another engagement? I'm mean if, say, he'd cancelled doing the prize-giving at, I dunno, the Blind Orphans with Terminal Cancer Society to fly off on a footie junket then the optics might have looked a tad worse.

    Exactly. Bad manners if you cancel an appointment and next thing you spot your appointee at the footy. Really says a lot.
    This should have been in the diary of the President of the FA, the date isn't a surprise.

    If William doesn't want to be President of the FA he should resign the post and have someone else do the role.
    That's different, admittedly. But too late to cancel the prior appointment anyway.
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