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bigjohnowls said:

Westminster voting intention:

Fantastic poll for SKS Party

Rishi is screwed

LAB: 47% (+1)
CON: 22% (-2)
LDEM: 9% (-1)
REF: 9% (+1)
GRN: 7% (-)

via @YouGov, 05 - 06 Jul

SKS fans - please don't gloat.

@nicholascecil
EXCLUSIVE: Labour ahead in Uxbridge and Selby, polls find in by-elections double blow for Rishi Sunak

https://twitter.com/nicholascecil/status/1677280248201617409?s=20

On topic, if the Mousey one was in the mural, then there could have been copyright*/trademark** issues which would have been a much better spin to put on things than sticking it to the migrant kids.

*original copyright expires in 2024, so all depictions since then would be covered, I guess
**not sure whether registered trade mark and can't be bothered to check, but I'd expect so

JosiasJessop said:

I hesitate to link to pure filfth on here, but this is a video of a Big Boy giving some rear-end assistance.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icgH_3dXdOU

That's amazing. Working on the century.

Those boxpok wheels

And the wheelspin!

Selebian said:

On topic, if the Mousey one was in the mural, then there could have been copyright*/trademark** issues which would have been a much better spin to put on things than sticking it to the migrant kids.

*original copyright expires in 2024, so all depictions since then would be covered, I guess
**not sure whether registered trade mark and can't be bothered to check, but I'd expect so

Disney are shithot on copyright issues so this immediately sprang to mind.

If the reporting is genuine, then yes this is utterly vile.

Selebian said:

On topic, if the Mousey one was in the mural, then there could have been copyright*/trademark** issues which would have been a much better spin to put on things than sticking it to the migrant kids.

*original copyright expires in 2024, so all depictions since then would be covered, I guess
**not sure whether registered trade mark and can't be bothered to check, but I'd expect so

Not quite. The original Steamboat Willie version of the Mouse will expire in 2024, but more recognisable versions of the Mouse including all in colour will still be subject to copyright.

And yes of course TM still applies.

A bit like Winnie the Pooh - the original book is already in public domain, but Winnie the Pooh as drawn by Disney is under copyright still.

BartholomewRoberts said:

If the reporting is genuine, then yes this is utterly vile.

Selebian said:

On topic, if the Mousey one was in the mural, then there could have been copyright*/trademark** issues which would have been a much better spin to put on things than sticking it to the migrant kids.

*original copyright expires in 2024, so all depictions since then would be covered, I guess
**not sure whether registered trade mark and can't be bothered to check, but I'd expect so

Not quite. The original Steamboat Willie version of the Mouse will expire in 2024, but more recognisable versions of the Mouse including all in colour will still be subject to copyright.

And yes of course TM still applies.

A bit like Winnie the Pooh - the original book is already in public domain, but Winnie the Pooh as drawn by Disney is under copyright still.

Harumph. Winnie the Pooh as drawn by Disney is a minor abomination. The through spirit of Pooh is captured by E H Shephard.

Scott_xP said:

@nicholascecil
EXCLUSIVE: Labour ahead in Uxbridge and Selby, polls find in by-elections double blow for Rishi Sunak

https://twitter.com/nicholascecil/status/1677280248201617409?s=20

Full S&A tables here:
https://jlpartners.com/s/Selby_Ainsty_byelection_tables.xlsx

Interesting that Con leads with males, who are a substantially smaller part of the unweighted sample. It's smallish (500) but the difference is outside MoE (random error) so depends on whether they've got their weighting right.

HYUFD said:

With RefUK on 9% and tied with the LDs for 3rd in today's Yougov, Jenrick's comments may not show much compassion but will be firmly focused on the hard line on illegal immigration Sunak needs to win back 2019 Conservatives voters now voting Reform

If the Tories aim for RefUK's 9% then that is what the Tories deserve at the next election.

9%

Wood did not come to play.

5 wickets with the ball.

With the bat: 6, 4, 6 first three balls he faced this innings.

Scott_xP said:

@RedfieldWilton
Labour is more trusted than the Conservatives on EVERY issue.

Which party do voters trust the most on...? (Labour | the Conservatives)

NHS (41% | 18%)
Housing (38% | 16%)
Education (38% | 19%)
Immigration (30% | 23%)
The Economy (33% | 27%)
Ukraine (29% | 27%)

Labour Only 33% on economy, people rating Rishi and his government to sort it out so just 5% behind isn’t great for Labour at all. Not bad, but only 5% lead on what most people will vote on come general election day.

DavidL said:

Commented on this on the last thread. Anyone who thinks that this is a reasonable way to behave really shouldn’t be allowed to take any decisions that affect vulnerable people about anything. Period. They do not have the basic humanity to do so.

The Conservative difficulty is this.

There is a proportion of the population that is, for want of a better word, nasty. Selfish, cruel. Lacking the imagination to think that they might ever be at the bottom of the heap through no real fault of their own.

They're not all Conservatives- think of trade unionists who are happy to screw over other workers to get more of the pie for themselves. And even now, most Conservatives aren't nasty. And most of us reveal streaks of nasty when threatened, and these are threatening times.

But when a big party is scrabbling round in the low to mid twenties percent in the polls, the temptation to go after the nasty vote is blooming strong. Because they're votes and they're not hard to grab.

And right now, they're the most reliable votes the Conservatives have got.

HYUFD said:

With RefUK on 9% and tied with the LDs for 3rd in today's Yougov, Jenrick's comments may not show much compassion but will be firmly focused on the hard line on illegal immigration Sunak needs to win back 2019 Conservatives voters now voting Reform

It's not a hard line on illegal immigration, you doughnut. It's a hard line on vulnerable, needy, and likely terrified children.

Bloody hell

Mark Wood c Marsh b Cummins 24 (8b 1x4 3x6) SR: 300

Selebian said:

BartholomewRoberts said:

If the reporting is genuine, then yes this is utterly vile.

Selebian said:

On topic, if the Mousey one was in the mural, then there could have been copyright*/trademark** issues which would have been a much better spin to put on things than sticking it to the migrant kids.

*original copyright expires in 2024, so all depictions since then would be covered, I guess
**not sure whether registered trade mark and can't be bothered to check, but I'd expect so

Not quite. The original Steamboat Willie version of the Mouse will expire in 2024, but more recognisable versions of the Mouse including all in colour will still be subject to copyright.

And yes of course TM still applies.

A bit like Winnie the Pooh - the original book is already in public domain, but Winnie the Pooh as drawn by Disney is under copyright still.

"original copyright expires in 2024, so all depictions since then would be covered, I guess"

I shouldn't have put 'I guess' as it's not a guess, but my intention was to point out that is indeed the earliest version, so everything is still covered until 2024. After that it will get more hazy as e.g. a direct copy of the out of copyright one would be fine. Any drawing that wasn't a blatant copy of a later version might be ok too, if argued to be a derived work of the original, rather than of a later, still in copyright, version.

But anyway, you'd think comms would have put out that the real reason was concern about possible infringement, not making it as grim as possible for you arrivees. Unless the desire was to be seen to be making it as grim as possible for young arrivees.

Though ice cream vans have always managed to deal with the copyright thing by having slightly wrongly-drawn characters.

From the wonderful John Finnemore:

https://youtu.be/Lray-9F1WP4

Stuartinromford said:

DavidL said:

Commented on this on the last thread. Anyone who thinks that this is a reasonable way to behave really shouldn’t be allowed to take any decisions that affect vulnerable people about anything. Period. They do not have the basic humanity to do so.

The Conservative difficulty is this.

There is a proportion of the population that is, for want of a better word, nasty. Selfish, cruel. Lacking the imagination to think that they might ever be at the bottom of the heap through no real fault of their own.

They're not all Conservatives- think of trade unionists who are happy to screw over other workers to get more of the pie for themselves. And even now, most Conservatives aren't nasty. And most of us reveal streaks of nasty when threatened, and these are threatening times.

But when a big party is scrabbling round in the low to mid twenties percent in the polls, the temptation to go after the nasty vote is blooming strong. Because they're votes and they're not hard to grab.

And right now, they're the most reliable votes the Conservatives have got.

No there isn't.

BartholomewRoberts said:

Stuartinromford said:

DavidL said:

Commented on this on the last thread. Anyone who thinks that this is a reasonable way to behave really shouldn’t be allowed to take any decisions that affect vulnerable people about anything. Period. They do not have the basic humanity to do so.

The Conservative difficulty is this.

There is a proportion of the population that is, for want of a better word, nasty. Selfish, cruel. Lacking the imagination to think that they might ever be at the bottom of the heap through no real fault of their own.

They're not all Conservatives- think of trade unionists who are happy to screw over other workers to get more of the pie for themselves. And even now, most Conservatives aren't nasty. And most of us reveal streaks of nasty when threatened, and these are threatening times.

But when a big party is scrabbling round in the low to mid twenties percent in the polls, the temptation to go after the nasty vote is blooming strong. Because they're votes and they're not hard to grab.

And right now, they're the most reliable votes the Conservatives have got.

If you go after the nasty vote you may get it.

But that's all you'll get. And all you'll deserve.

And that's the doom loop the Conservatives are in.

And why, though they should (surely?) return in time, there's a non-trivial risk that they won't.

BartholomewRoberts said:

HYUFD said:

With RefUK on 9% and tied with the LDs for 3rd in today's Yougov, Jenrick's comments may not show much compassion but will be firmly focused on the hard line on illegal immigration Sunak needs to win back 2019 Conservatives voters now voting Reform

If the Tories aim for RefUK's 9% then that is what the Tories deserve at the next election.

9%

Most of the current Tory voters will also back a harder line on illegal immigration too

HYUFD said:

BartholomewRoberts said:

HYUFD said:

With RefUK on 9% and tied with the LDs for 3rd in today's Yougov, Jenrick's comments may not show much compassion but will be firmly focused on the hard line on illegal immigration Sunak needs to win back 2019 Conservatives voters now voting Reform

If the Tories aim for RefUK's 9% then that is what the Tories deserve at the next election.

9%

Most of the current Tory voters will also back a harder line on illegal immigration too

Will you?

TimS said:

HYUFD said:

Scott_xP said:

@nicholascecil
EXCLUSIVE: Labour ahead in Uxbridge and Selby, polls find in by-elections double blow for Rishi Sunak

https://twitter.com/nicholascecil/status/1677280248201617409?s=20

Labour only ahead by 8% in Uxbridge though compared to 12% in Selby.

In fact the 41% Labour are on in Uxbridge is not much higher than the 38% Labour got in Uxbridge in 2019.

So plenty of scope for the Tories to squeeze undecideds with the ULEZ issue

Sounds like extremely efficient vote distribution. Smaller swing in London, larger one in the marginal provinces. Nice.

The only region of the UK Rishi is polling better than Boris was last summer is in London that is why

...

Andy_JS said:

Stuartinromford said:

DavidL said:

Commented on this on the last thread. Anyone who thinks that this is a reasonable way to behave really shouldn’t be allowed to take any decisions that affect vulnerable people about anything. Period. They do not have the basic humanity to do so.

The Conservative difficulty is this.

There is a proportion of the population that is, for want of a better word, nasty. Selfish, cruel. Lacking the imagination to think that they might ever be at the bottom of the heap through no real fault of their own.

They're not all Conservatives- think of trade unionists who are happy to screw over other workers to get more of the pie for themselves. And even now, most Conservatives aren't nasty. And most of us reveal streaks of nasty when threatened, and these are threatening times.

But when a big party is scrabbling round in the low to mid twenties percent in the polls, the temptation to go after the nasty vote is blooming strong. Because they're votes and they're not hard to grab.

And right now, they're the most reliable votes the Conservatives have got.

No there isn't.

No there isn't what? If I have you right, how do you explain Honest Bob Jenrick?

algarkirk said:

bigjohnowls said:

Westminster voting intention:

Fantastic poll for SKS Party

Rishi is screwed

LAB: 47% (+1)
CON: 22% (-2)
LDEM: 9% (-1)
REF: 9% (+1)
GRN: 7% (-)

via @YouGov, 05 - 06 Jul

There is a tiny further straw in the wind for Labour (36) against the SNP (33) in the (of course unreliable) Scottish sub sample.

I think it’s quite possible FPTP is about to deliver one of its unique specials in the next election.

Pulpstar said:

Andy_JS said:

No change in tactics from England.

I think doubling down on smashing it round the park is probably a good idea at this point in the innings. Wood's going to end up our 3rd highest scorer. Woakes is an allrounder, Wood is a 90 MPH+ pace bowler. He'd have been out for less than 24 with a less aggressive approach.

Absolutely, the afternoon session is already going better than the morning session did to be frank.

Andy_JS said:

Pulpstar said:

Andy_JS said:

No change in tactics from England.

I think doubling down on smashing it round the park is probably a good idea at this point in the innings. Wood's going to end up our 3rd highest scorer. Woakes is an allrounder, Wood is a 90 MPH+ pace bowler. He'd have been out for less than 24 with a less aggressive approach.

Australia are a better side than England atm. It's as simple as that.

Basically all fielding and confidence. Thats been the difference.

Cookie said:

BartholomewRoberts said:

If the reporting is genuine, then yes this is utterly vile.

Selebian said:

On topic, if the Mousey one was in the mural, then there could have been copyright*/trademark** issues which would have been a much better spin to put on things than sticking it to the migrant kids.

*original copyright expires in 2024, so all depictions since then would be covered, I guess
**not sure whether registered trade mark and can't be bothered to check, but I'd expect so

Not quite. The original Steamboat Willie version of the Mouse will expire in 2024, but more recognisable versions of the Mouse including all in colour will still be subject to copyright.

And yes of course TM still applies.

A bit like Winnie the Pooh - the original book is already in public domain, but Winnie the Pooh as drawn by Disney is under copyright still.

Harumph. Winnie the Pooh as drawn by Disney is a minor abomination. The through spirit of Pooh is captured by E H Shephard.

DavidL said:

Commented on this on the last thread. Anyone who thinks that this is a reasonable way to behave really shouldn’t be allowed to take any decisions that affect vulnerable people about anything. Period. They do not have the basic humanity to do so.

Makes me wonder about their other decisions. Such as the way childrten are schooled and fed. Or adults, for that matter.

HYUFD said:

BartholomewRoberts said:

HYUFD said:

With RefUK on 9% and tied with the LDs for 3rd in today's Yougov, Jenrick's comments may not show much compassion but will be firmly focused on the hard line on illegal immigration Sunak needs to win back 2019 Conservatives voters now voting Reform

If the Tories aim for RefUK's 9% then that is what the Tories deserve at the next election.

9%

Most of the current Tory voters will also back a harder line on illegal immigration too

The problem you have is a hard line on boat people which allows in more boat people is counter- intuitive.

BartholomewRoberts said:

algarkirk said:

TimS said:

algarkirk said:

bigjohnowls said:

Westminster voting intention:

Fantastic poll for SKS Party

Rishi is screwed

LAB: 47% (+1)
CON: 22% (-2)
LDEM: 9% (-1)
REF: 9% (+1)
GRN: 7% (-)

via @YouGov, 05 - 06 Jul

There is a tiny further straw in the wind for Labour (36) against the SNP (33) in the (of course unreliable) Scottish sub sample.

I think it’s quite possible FPTP is about to deliver one of its unique specials in the next election.

If you Baxter these figures (which won't happen of course) the Tories end up clinging on in South Holland and the Deepings and not much else.

I hate drawing parallels with prior elections (each election is unique) but if the Tories decide to go for the nasty party vote, then Canada 1993 is the only worthy parallel for what should occur.

The opposite. In Canada 1993 all the 'nasty' vote went to the Reform Party and the Canadian Tories not only lost power to the Liberals but were overtaken as the main party of the right and Opposition by the Reform Party and lost almost all their seats

IS the high score for Reform just down to sampling? And is HYUFD correct that Sunak simply has to 'bring them back' to the Cons to make his party's figures respectable?

Maybe so, but maybe not.

Taking the latter point first:
It is always worth remembering that the Brexit vote, and UKIP/Reform/Reclaim support, does not draw exclusively from previous Cons. A considerable chunk of that vote is from Labour (remember the Red Wall Con gains). If Reform are on 9%, then even a low ex-Labour figure of 2% means that instead of having a potential 9% gain, Sunak is looking at 5% (7 Con - 2 Lab). Not looking so good.
Then, as any smaller party activist will tell you, there are odd crossovers all the time on canvassing sheets: the former BNP voter now voting Green, the former LibDem now voting UKIP, and so on. Add another 1% for that, and now the Cons pool is 4%.
FInally there are the NOTA voters who simply drift away when there's no suitable option available: in other words the Reform voters who won't turn out for the Cons just because that's the 'next best thing'. Those can be really significant in number: say another 2%. That leaves the Cons with 2% to play with, instead of the 9% they 'started with' as a target.
So, without making any ridiculous estimates, the Con target pool has all but vanished. And I think my estimates, particularly of NOTA voters, are very cautious.

All of this applies to the question of sampling, plus one other factor. If, as I think we all assume, Reform has hardly reached the awareness of most voters, who tend to be low information between elections, what would the impact be on such a voter of seeing 'Reform' as a party name alongside Con, Lab, LDm and Green? 'Reform' sounds good, right? We all think our political system needs reform? Yes we'd like a party called 'Reform' that presumably wants to reform things. But come election time, and people find out what 'Reform' actually stands for, and it isn't hard to see some voters deciding that the reform they want is the LibDem, or Green, or PC/SNP (all right, not SNP)
sort of reform.

algarkirk said:

TimS said:

algarkirk said:

bigjohnowls said:

Westminster voting intention:

Fantastic poll for SKS Party

Rishi is screwed

LAB: 47% (+1)
CON: 22% (-2)
LDEM: 9% (-1)
REF: 9% (+1)
GRN: 7% (-)

via @YouGov, 05 - 06 Jul

There is a tiny further straw in the wind for Labour (36) against the SNP (33) in the (of course unreliable) Scottish sub sample.

I think it’s quite possible FPTP is about to deliver one of its unique specials in the next election.

If you Baxter these figures (which won't happen of course) the Tories end up clinging on in South Holland and the Deepings and not much else.

No, even on today's Yougov the Tories still hold 59 seats after the boundary changes

https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/fcgi-bin/usercode.py?scotcontrol=Y&CON=22&LAB=47&LIB=9&Reform=9&Green=7&UKIP=&TVCON=&TVLAB=&TVLIB=&TVReform=&TVGreen=&TVUKIP=&SCOTCON=18.5&SCOTLAB=31.5&SCOTLIB=7.8&SCOTReform=0&SCOTGreen=1.3&SCOTUKIP=&SCOTNAT=36.4&display=AllChanged&regorseat=(none)&boundary=2019nbbase

HYUFD said:

algarkirk said:

TimS said:

algarkirk said:

bigjohnowls said:

Westminster voting intention:

Fantastic poll for SKS Party

Rishi is screwed

LAB: 47% (+1)
CON: 22% (-2)
LDEM: 9% (-1)
REF: 9% (+1)
GRN: 7% (-)

via @YouGov, 05 - 06 Jul

There is a tiny further straw in the wind for Labour (36) against the SNP (33) in the (of course unreliable) Scottish sub sample.

I think it’s quite possible FPTP is about to deliver one of its unique specials in the next election.

If you Baxter these figures (which won't happen of course) the Tories end up clinging on in South Holland and the Deepings and not much else.

No, even on today's Yougov the Tories still hold 59 seats after the boundary changes

https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/fcgi-bin/usercode.py?scotcontrol=Y&CON=22&LAB=47&LIB=9&Reform=9&Green=7&UKIP=&TVCON=&TVLAB=&TVLIB=&TVReform=&TVGreen=&TVUKIP=&SCOTCON=18.5&SCOTLAB=31.5&SCOTLIB=7.8&SCOTReform=0&SCOTGreen=1.3&SCOTUKIP=&SCOTNAT=36.4&display=AllChanged&regorseat=(none)&boundary=2019nbbase

So just a flesh wound really.

Fairliered said:

Carnyx said:

JosiasJessop said:

I hesitate to link to pure filfth on here, but this is a video of a Big Boy giving some rear-end assistance.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icgH_3dXdOU

Apparently this is the enormous train that stalled, with one diesel loco dead.

Diesels! Pfft! Who needs them?

"Electric" trains in The Little Book of Department-for-Transport Thought.

TimS said:

Talking of trains I’m on the 14.03 to Penzance, getting off at Totnes. A definite holiday vibe among the passengers. Beautiful weather today (which should have been good for batting, alas).

Mm, you'll get the Dawlish coast and Teign Estuary. Is it the direct line? It's a nice trundle past the Crofton pumping station and along the Kennet and Avon Canal.

Selebian said:

Stuartinromford said:

Selebian said:

BartholomewRoberts said:

If the reporting is genuine, then yes this is utterly vile.

Selebian said:

On topic, if the Mousey one was in the mural, then there could have been copyright*/trademark** issues which would have been a much better spin to put on things than sticking it to the migrant kids.

*original copyright expires in 2024, so all depictions since then would be covered, I guess
**not sure whether registered trade mark and can't be bothered to check, but I'd expect so

Not quite. The original Steamboat Willie version of the Mouse will expire in 2024, but more recognisable versions of the Mouse including all in colour will still be subject to copyright.

And yes of course TM still applies.

A bit like Winnie the Pooh - the original book is already in public domain, but Winnie the Pooh as drawn by Disney is under copyright still.

"original copyright expires in 2024, so all depictions since then would be covered, I guess"

I shouldn't have put 'I guess' as it's not a guess, but my intention was to point out that is indeed the earliest version, so everything is still covered until 2024. After that it will get more hazy as e.g. a direct copy of the out of copyright one would be fine. Any drawing that wasn't a blatant copy of a later version might be ok too, if argued to be a derived work of the original, rather than of a later, still in copyright, version.

But anyway, you'd think comms would have put out that the real reason was concern about possible infringement, not making it as grim as possible for you arrivees. Unless the desire was to be seen to be making it as grim as possible for young arrivees.

Though ice cream vans have always managed to deal with the copyright thing by having slightly wrongly-drawn characters.

From the wonderful John Finnemore:

https://youtu.be/Lray-9F1WP4

Just need to employ whoever does the packaging design for Aldi and Lidl

And caterpillars.

BartholomewRoberts said:

Andy_JS said:

HYUFD said:

BartholomewRoberts said:

algarkirk said:

TimS said:

algarkirk said:

bigjohnowls said:

Westminster voting intention:

Fantastic poll for SKS Party

Rishi is screwed

LAB: 47% (+1)
CON: 22% (-2)
LDEM: 9% (-1)
REF: 9% (+1)
GRN: 7% (-)

via @YouGov, 05 - 06 Jul

There is a tiny further straw in the wind for Labour (36) against the SNP (33) in the (of course unreliable) Scottish sub sample.

I think it’s quite possible FPTP is about to deliver one of its unique specials in the next election.

If you Baxter these figures (which won't happen of course) the Tories end up clinging on in South Holland and the Deepings and not much else.

I hate drawing parallels with prior elections (each election is unique) but if the Tories decide to go for the nasty party vote, then Canada 1993 is the only worthy parallel for what should occur.

The opposite. In Canada 1993 all the 'nasty' vote went to the Reform Party and the Canadian Tories not only lost power to the Liberals but were overtaken as the main party of the right and Opposition by the Reform Party and lost almost all their seats

I think describing many conservatives as "nasty" is probably counterproductive for the left.

Actually being nasty is far, far more counterproductive, whether it be right or left that are being nasty.

Calling out Corbyn's antisemitism and nastiness didn't do the Tories any harm. Nor should calling out the Tories nastiness harm Labour.

In Sunak, I see a doomed attempt to try to please perceived potential voters by pretending to be something he is not. Similar to how Miliband tried to please perceived potential voters by pretending to be something he is not. Both pandered/ing rather more to the social conservatives than their natural instincts would suggest and putting off social liberals by doing so while also looking weak and dishonest.

Miliband is much better when he's being honest. Sunak perhaps would be too. Or perhaps he is just an empty suit. If you're going to pretend to be something you're not, you need to be a good liar. Johnson was, of course, the master of that. Blair too, to an extent. Brown also tried and failed.

TimS said:

Talking of trains I’m on the 14.03 to Penzance, getting off at Totnes. A definite holiday vibe among the passengers. Beautiful weather today (which should have been good for batting, alas).

If we'd only had some batsmen rather than headless chickens.

Selebian said:

On topic, if the Mousey one was in the mural, then there could have been copyright*/trademark** issues which would have been a much better spin to put on things than sticking it to the migrant kids.

*original copyright expires in 2024, so all depictions since then would be covered, I guess
**not sure whether registered trade mark and can't be bothered to check, but I'd expect so

I don’t think copyright is a slam dunk. You can use copyrighted materials in the U.K. if you can apply one or more of a number of ‘fair dealing’ exceptions to copyright law, which means that certain uses of an artistic work do not require permission from the copyright owner so long as the use is considered to be
‘fair’. It’s possible (although this is outside my area) this use could fall within “educational” in that it is intended to create a calmer environment for children out of their native environment to play and learn.

More relevant, given that no possible commercial advantage was being gained by anyone by this use, it’s hard to see what damage Disney could suffer, and thus what remedy they could claim. Quite the opposite in fact - if anything HMG was freely advertising their products. Does Disney want a situation where every school, youth group etc up and down the U.K. is too scared to put The Mouse on their walls?

TimS said:

Peck said:

TimS said:

bigjohnowls said:

Westminster voting intention:

Fantastic poll for SKS Party

Rishi is screwed

LAB: 47% (+1)
CON: 22% (-2)
LDEM: 9% (-1)
REF: 9% (+1)
GRN: 7% (-)

via @YouGov, 05 - 06 Jul

By @Moonrabbit Dutch salute standards this is bad for Labour because the Lib Dem score is low. The tits are being tucked back under
the t-shirt.

However, LLG 63 plays REFCON 31 is pretty good.

Yougov clearly have a problem with sampling though because there’s no way REF and Greens are on anything close to 9% and 7%. Oversampling politically hyper-engaged nutters.

What is a Dutch salute? I'm guessing you're not using either of the definitions listed in the Urban Dictionary.

I’ll leave it to the original positor of this polling theory to reveal all.

I’m a bit busy watching the cricket. 😃

England can end up chasing a smallish total in the 4th innings.

bigjohnowls said:

Even better poll for SKS Party

Rishi is even more screwed

Westminster voting intention:

LAB: 51% (+3)
CON: 25% (-1)
LDEM: 8% (-)
REF: 5% (-2)
GRN: 5% (-)

via @Omnisis, 06 - 07 Jul

Forget interest rates, pay rates and the cost of living.

If Sunak just says "stop the boats" one more time that will turn things around.

5674th time is the charm.

bigjohnowls said:

Even better poll for SKS Party

Rishi is even more screwed

Westminster voting intention:

LAB: 51% (+3)
CON: 25% (-1)
LDEM: 8% (-)
REF: 5% (-2)
GRN: 5% (-)

via @Omnisis, 06 - 07 Jul

BJO fans please explain?

TimS said:

Talking of trains I’m on the 14.03 to Penzance, getting off at Totnes. A definite holiday vibe among the passengers. Beautiful weather today (which should have been good for batting, alas).

We're off to Southwold tomorrow for the weekend. I'm a bit of a connoisseur of the British seaside, and IMV Southwold is the nearest you can get to perfection.

Sadly I can't get the train there, unless they hurry up and rebuild the Southwold Railway...

Unfortunately, from 188-1 at Lord's and arguably also in the second innings at Edgbaston, England's batting has been poor. They simply have not shown enough application. They've made fantastic opportunities and let them slip with dumb shots. Coupled with some very ordinary fielding they have literally thrown away the Ashes. First defeat on home soil since 2001.

bigjohnowls said:

Even better poll for SKS Party

Rishi is even more screwed

Westminster voting intention:

LAB: 51% (+3)
CON: 25% (-1)
LDEM: 8% (-)
REF: 5% (-2)
GRN: 5% (-)

via @Omnisis, 06 - 07 Jul

25% for the Tories there though is higher than the 22% with Yougov

FrancisUrquhart said:

England aren't a one man team.....they are a one man one legged team.....

A one legged all-rounder has now scored more runs than the entire batting lineup combined.

ydoethur said:

Unfortunately, from 188-1 at Lord's and arguably also in the second innings at Edgbaston, England's batting has been poor. They simply have not shown enough application. They've made fantastic opportunities and let them slip with dumb shots. Coupled with some very ordinary fielding they have literally thrown away the Ashes. First defeat on home soil since 2001.

Probably but Stokes can get a 1st innings lead at this rate

I mean, if the rumours that Mickey Mouse wears a Robert Jenrick watch are true. then I can see Jenrick's pov.

HYUFD said:

bigjohnowls said:

Even better poll for SKS Party

Rishi is even more screwed

Westminster voting intention:

LAB: 51% (+3)
CON: 25% (-1)
LDEM: 8% (-)
REF: 5% (-2)
GRN: 5% (-)

via @Omnisis, 06 - 07 Jul

25% for the Tories there though is higher than the 22% with Yougov

I have to admire that response!

bigjohnowls said:

Even better poll for SKS Party

Rishi is even more screwed

Westminster voting intention:

LAB: 51% (+3)
CON: 25% (-1)
LDEM: 8% (-)
REF: 5% (-2)
GRN: 5% (-)

via @Omnisis, 06 - 07 Jul

Under any other leader Lab would be 20% ahead. Hang on...

DougSeal said:

HYUFD said:

bigjohnowls said:

Even better poll for SKS Party

Rishi is even more screwed

Westminster voting intention:

LAB: 51% (+3)
CON: 25% (-1)
LDEM: 8% (-)
REF: 5% (-2)
GRN: 5% (-)

via @Omnisis, 06 - 07 Jul

25% for the Tories there though is higher than the 22% with Yougov

When the world ends I want you there to give a positive spin for the Tories. “YouGov’s last survey before Selby became an irradiated wasteland put the Tories 2% ahead amongst cockroaches and other species most likely to survive a nuclear inferno.”

The cockroaches though had a higher approval rating...