On topic, if the Mousey one was in the mural, then there could have been copyright*/trademark** issues which would have been a much better spin to put on things than sticking it to the migrant kids.
*original copyright expires in 2024, so all depictions since then would be covered, I guess **not sure whether registered trade mark and can't be bothered to check, but I'd expect so
Mr. Topping, I recall from university reading that most people will go along with most symptom lists for psych conditions, partly because most of us feel X emotion or have Y quirk at some point.
Medical student syndrome applies to non-psychological illnesses too. Serious writers on behaviour, persuasion, and social psychology all reference it. Ditto the Werther effect. (That's why newspapers don't describe the details of suicides.)
To avoid this, I listed (without telling her what it was) the symptom list for psychopathology to my mother and asked how many applied to me. She said all but one and a half out of about 17.
Quite a high score then! I doubt there's any (sane) person who wouldn't give themselves at least a few ticks for some of the symptoms of the officially defined or almost officially defined personality disorders. A bit of perfectionism get in the way of task completion sometimes? An occasional bit of splitting? A person would be a right gormless sod if they didn't merit any ticks IMO.
Scoring enough ticks to pass the bar for even one of those disorders is a different matter though.
Commented on this on the last thread. Anyone who thinks that this is a reasonable way to behave really shouldn’t be allowed to take any decisions that affect vulnerable people about anything. Period. They do not have the basic humanity to do so.
On topic, if the Mousey one was in the mural, then there could have been copyright*/trademark** issues which would have been a much better spin to put on things than sticking it to the migrant kids.
*original copyright expires in 2024, so all depictions since then would be covered, I guess **not sure whether registered trade mark and can't be bothered to check, but I'd expect so
Disney are shithot on copyright issues so this immediately sprang to mind.
And this government simply hasn't a leg to stand on here. Immigration has vastly increased, legal and illegal, under Boris-Liz-Rishi. Simply being inhumane to migrants is pretty much all they have left now (unsurprising really, as they more than any other government I can recall, have massively prioritised optics over substance).
I don't think the public will be fooled though. Ironically, Rishi's own pledges have spotlighted his governments key failures.
On topic, if the Mousey one was in the mural, then there could have been copyright*/trademark** issues which would have been a much better spin to put on things than sticking it to the migrant kids.
*original copyright expires in 2024, so all depictions since then would be covered, I guess **not sure whether registered trade mark and can't be bothered to check, but I'd expect so
Not quite. The original Steamboat Willie version of the Mouse will expire in 2024, but more recognisable versions of the Mouse including all in colour will still be subject to copyright.
And yes of course TM still applies.
A bit like Winnie the Pooh - the original book is already in public domain, but Winnie the Pooh as drawn by Disney is under copyright still.
On topic, if the Mousey one was in the mural, then there could have been copyright*/trademark** issues which would have been a much better spin to put on things than sticking it to the migrant kids.
*original copyright expires in 2024, so all depictions since then would be covered, I guess **not sure whether registered trade mark and can't be bothered to check, but I'd expect so
Disney are shithot on copyright issues so this immediately sprang to mind.
Tell that to the ice cream van and travelling funfair community.
On topic, if the Mousey one was in the mural, then there could have been copyright*/trademark** issues which would have been a much better spin to put on things than sticking it to the migrant kids.
*original copyright expires in 2024, so all depictions since then would be covered, I guess **not sure whether registered trade mark and can't be bothered to check, but I'd expect so
Not quite. The original Steamboat Willie version of the Mouse will expire in 2024, but more recognisable versions of the Mouse including all in colour will still be subject to copyright.
And yes of course TM still applies.
A bit like Winnie the Pooh - the original book is already in public domain, but Winnie the Pooh as drawn by Disney is under copyright still.
Harumph. Winnie the Pooh as drawn by Disney is a minor abomination. The through spirit of Pooh is captured by E H Shephard.
With RefUK on 9% and tied with the LDs for 3rd in today's Yougov, Jenrick's comments may not show much compassion but will be firmly focused on the hard line on illegal immigration Sunak needs to win back 2019 Conservatives voters now voting Reform
Interesting that Con leads with males, who are a substantially smaller part of the unweighted sample. It's smallish (500) but the difference is outside MoE (random error) so depends on whether they've got their weighting right.
On topic, if the Mousey one was in the mural, then there could have been copyright*/trademark** issues which would have been a much better spin to put on things than sticking it to the migrant kids.
*original copyright expires in 2024, so all depictions since then would be covered, I guess **not sure whether registered trade mark and can't be bothered to check, but I'd expect so
The point *was* to stick it to migrant kids though. And in any case, I think as a kinda private building they can paint what they like on the wall? Or will the Disney lawyers start prowling primary schools to tear down felt-pen daubings of Lilo & Stitch?
With RefUK on 9% and tied with the LDs for 3rd in today's Yougov, Jenrick's comments may not show much compassion but will be firmly focused on the hard line on illegal immigration Sunak needs to win back 2019 Conservatives voters now voting Reform
If the Tories aim for RefUK's 9% then that is what the Tories deserve at the next election.
Absurd but reading one report of the mass of cartoonists offering to help I was for some reason reminded of that great cartoon of two soldiers in a WWI trench with one saying to the other: "it's very bad, we're down to our last poet".
By @Moonrabbit Dutch salute standards this is bad for Labour because the Lib Dem score is low. The tits are being tucked back under the t-shirt.
However, LLG 63 plays REFCON 31 is pretty good.
Yougov clearly have a problem with sampling though because there’s no way REF and Greens are on anything close to 9% and 7%. Oversampling politically hyper-engaged nutters.
Labour Only 33% on economy, people rating Rishi and his government to sort it out so just 5% behind isn’t great for Labour at all. Not bad, but only 5% lead on what most people will vote on come general election day.
Commented on this on the last thread. Anyone who thinks that this is a reasonable way to behave really shouldn’t be allowed to take any decisions that affect vulnerable people about anything. Period. They do not have the basic humanity to do so.
The Conservative difficulty is this.
There is a proportion of the population that is, for want of a better word, nasty. Selfish, cruel. Lacking the imagination to think that they might ever be at the bottom of the heap through no real fault of their own.
They're not all Conservatives- think of trade unionists who are happy to screw over other workers to get more of the pie for themselves. And even now, most Conservatives aren't nasty. And most of us reveal streaks of nasty when threatened, and these are threatening times.
But when a big party is scrabbling round in the low to mid twenties percent in the polls, the temptation to go after the nasty vote is blooming strong. Because they're votes and they're not hard to grab.
And right now, they're the most reliable votes the Conservatives have got.
On topic, if the Mousey one was in the mural, then there could have been copyright*/trademark** issues which would have been a much better spin to put on things than sticking it to the migrant kids.
*original copyright expires in 2024, so all depictions since then would be covered, I guess **not sure whether registered trade mark and can't be bothered to check, but I'd expect so
Not quite. The original Steamboat Willie version of the Mouse will expire in 2024, but more recognisable versions of the Mouse including all in colour will still be subject to copyright.
And yes of course TM still applies.
A bit like Winnie the Pooh - the original book is already in public domain, but Winnie the Pooh as drawn by Disney is under copyright still.
"original copyright expires in 2024, so all depictions since then would be covered, I guess"
I shouldn't have put 'I guess' as it's not a guess, but my intention was to point out that is indeed the earliest version, so everything is still covered until 2024. After that it will get more hazy as e.g. a direct copy of the out of copyright one would be fine. Any drawing that wasn't a blatant copy of a later version might be ok too, if argued to be a derived work of the original, rather than of a later, still in copyright, version.
But anyway, you'd think comms would have put out that the real reason was concern about possible infringement, not making it as grim as possible for you arrivees. Unless the desire was to be seen to be making it as grim as possible for young arrivees.
With RefUK on 9% and tied with the LDs for 3rd in today's Yougov, Jenrick's comments may not show much compassion but will be firmly focused on the hard line on illegal immigration Sunak needs to win back 2019 Conservatives voters now voting Reform
It's not a hard line on illegal immigration, you doughnut. It's a hard line on vulnerable, needy, and likely terrified children.
Commented on this on the last thread. Anyone who thinks that this is a reasonable way to behave really shouldn’t be allowed to take any decisions that affect vulnerable people about anything. Period. They do not have the basic humanity to do so.
The Conservative difficulty is this.
There is a proportion of the population that is, for want of a better word, nasty. Selfish, cruel. Lacking the imagination to think that they might ever be at the bottom of the heap through no real fault of their own.
They're not all Conservatives- think of trade unionists who are happy to screw over other workers to get more of the pie for themselves. And even now, most Conservatives aren't nasty. And most of us reveal streaks of nasty when threatened, and these are threatening times.
But when a big party is scrabbling round in the low to mid twenties percent in the polls, the temptation to go after the nasty vote is blooming strong. Because they're votes and they're not hard to grab.
And right now, they're the most reliable votes the Conservatives have got.
If you go after the nasty vote you may get it.
But that's all you'll get. And all you'll deserve.
On topic, if the Mousey one was in the mural, then there could have been copyright*/trademark** issues which would have been a much better spin to put on things than sticking it to the migrant kids.
*original copyright expires in 2024, so all depictions since then would be covered, I guess **not sure whether registered trade mark and can't be bothered to check, but I'd expect so
Not quite. The original Steamboat Willie version of the Mouse will expire in 2024, but more recognisable versions of the Mouse including all in colour will still be subject to copyright.
And yes of course TM still applies.
A bit like Winnie the Pooh - the original book is already in public domain, but Winnie the Pooh as drawn by Disney is under copyright still.
"original copyright expires in 2024, so all depictions since then would be covered, I guess"
I shouldn't have put 'I guess' as it's not a guess, but my intention was to point out that is indeed the earliest version, so everything is still covered until 2024. After that it will get more hazy as e.g. a direct copy of the out of copyright one would be fine. Any drawing that wasn't a blatant copy of a later version might be ok too, if argued to be a derived work of the original, rather than of a later, still in copyright, version.
But anyway, you'd think comms would have put out that the real reason was concern about possible infringement, not making it as grim as possible for you arrivees. Unless the desire was to be seen to be making it as grim as possible for young arrivees.
Though ice cream vans have always managed to deal with the copyright thing by having slightly wrongly-drawn characters.
By @Moonrabbit Dutch salute standards this is bad for Labour because the Lib Dem score is low. The tits are being tucked back under the t-shirt.
However, LLG 63 plays REFCON 31 is pretty good.
Yougov clearly have a problem with sampling though because there’s no way REF and Greens are on anything close to 9% and 7%. Oversampling politically hyper-engaged nutters.
What is a Dutch salute? I'm guessing you're not using either of the definitions listed in the Urban Dictionary.
Commented on this on the last thread. Anyone who thinks that this is a reasonable way to behave really shouldn’t be allowed to take any decisions that affect vulnerable people about anything. Period. They do not have the basic humanity to do so.
The Conservative difficulty is this.
There is a proportion of the population that is, for want of a better word, nasty. Selfish, cruel. Lacking the imagination to think that they might ever be at the bottom of the heap through no real fault of their own.
They're not all Conservatives- think of trade unionists who are happy to screw over other workers to get more of the pie for themselves. And even now, most Conservatives aren't nasty. And most of us reveal streaks of nasty when threatened, and these are threatening times.
But when a big party is scrabbling round in the low to mid twenties percent in the polls, the temptation to go after the nasty vote is blooming strong. Because they're votes and they're not hard to grab.
And right now, they're the most reliable votes the Conservatives have got.
Commented on this on the last thread. Anyone who thinks that this is a reasonable way to behave really shouldn’t be allowed to take any decisions that affect vulnerable people about anything. Period. They do not have the basic humanity to do so.
The Conservative difficulty is this.
There is a proportion of the population that is, for want of a better word, nasty. Selfish, cruel. Lacking the imagination to think that they might ever be at the bottom of the heap through no real fault of their own.
They're not all Conservatives- think of trade unionists who are happy to screw over other workers to get more of the pie for themselves. And even now, most Conservatives aren't nasty. And most of us reveal streaks of nasty when threatened, and these are threatening times.
But when a big party is scrabbling round in the low to mid twenties percent in the polls, the temptation to go after the nasty vote is blooming strong. Because they're votes and they're not hard to grab.
And right now, they're the most reliable votes the Conservatives have got.
If you go after the nasty vote you may get it.
But that's all you'll get. And all you'll deserve.
And that's the doom loop the Conservatives are in.
And why, though they should (surely?) return in time, there's a non-trivial risk that they won't.
On topic, if the Mousey one was in the mural, then there could have been copyright*/trademark** issues which would have been a much better spin to put on things than sticking it to the migrant kids.
*original copyright expires in 2024, so all depictions since then would be covered, I guess **not sure whether registered trade mark and can't be bothered to check, but I'd expect so
Not quite. The original Steamboat Willie version of the Mouse will expire in 2024, but more recognisable versions of the Mouse including all in colour will still be subject to copyright.
And yes of course TM still applies.
A bit like Winnie the Pooh - the original book is already in public domain, but Winnie the Pooh as drawn by Disney is under copyright still.
"original copyright expires in 2024, so all depictions since then would be covered, I guess"
I shouldn't have put 'I guess' as it's not a guess, but my intention was to point out that is indeed the earliest version, so everything is still covered until 2024. After that it will get more hazy as e.g. a direct copy of the out of copyright one would be fine. Any drawing that wasn't a blatant copy of a later version might be ok too, if argued to be a derived work of the original, rather than of a later, still in copyright, version.
But anyway, you'd think comms would have put out that the real reason was concern about possible infringement, not making it as grim as possible for you arrivees. Unless the desire was to be seen to be making it as grim as possible for young arrivees.
Though ice cream vans have always managed to deal with the copyright thing by having slightly wrongly-drawn characters.
With RefUK on 9% and tied with the LDs for 3rd in today's Yougov, Jenrick's comments may not show much compassion but will be firmly focused on the hard line on illegal immigration Sunak needs to win back 2019 Conservatives voters now voting Reform
If the Tories aim for RefUK's 9% then that is what the Tories deserve at the next election.
9%
Most of the current Tory voters will also back a harder line on illegal immigration too
By @Moonrabbit Dutch salute standards this is bad for Labour because the Lib Dem score is low. The tits are being tucked back under the t-shirt.
However, LLG 63 plays REFCON 31 is pretty good.
Yougov clearly have a problem with sampling though because there’s no way REF and Greens are on anything close to 9% and 7%. Oversampling politically hyper-engaged nutters.
What is a Dutch salute? I'm guessing you're not using either of the definitions listed in the Urban Dictionary.
I’ll leave it to the original positor of this polling theory to reveal all.
With RefUK on 9% and tied with the LDs for 3rd in today's Yougov, Jenrick's comments may not show much compassion but will be firmly focused on the hard line on illegal immigration Sunak needs to win back 2019 Conservatives voters now voting Reform
If the Tories aim for RefUK's 9% then that is what the Tories deserve at the next election.
9%
Most of the current Tory voters will also back a harder line on illegal immigration too
I think doubling down on smashing it round the park is probably a good idea at this point in the innings. Wood's going to end up our 3rd highest scorer. Woakes is an allrounder, Wood is a 90 MPH+ pace bowler. He'd have been out for less than 24 with a less aggressive approach.
Commented on this on the last thread. Anyone who thinks that this is a reasonable way to behave really shouldn’t be allowed to take any decisions that affect vulnerable people about anything. Period. They do not have the basic humanity to do so.
The Conservative difficulty is this.
There is a proportion of the population that is, for want of a better word, nasty. Selfish, cruel. Lacking the imagination to think that they might ever be at the bottom of the heap through no real fault of their own.
They're not all Conservatives- think of trade unionists who are happy to screw over other workers to get more of the pie for themselves. And even now, most Conservatives aren't nasty. And most of us reveal streaks of nasty when threatened, and these are threatening times.
But when a big party is scrabbling round in the low to mid twenties percent in the polls, the temptation to go after the nasty vote is blooming strong. Because they're votes and they're not hard to grab.
And right now, they're the most reliable votes the Conservatives have got.
No there isn't.
No there isn't what? If I have you right, how do you explain Honest Bob Jenrick?
I think doubling down on smashing it round the park is probably a good idea at this point in the innings. Wood's going to end up our 3rd highest scorer. Woakes is an allrounder, Wood is a 90 MPH+ pace bowler. He'd have been out for less than 24 with a less aggressive approach.
Australia are a better side than England atm. It's as simple as that.
I think doubling down on smashing it round the park is probably a good idea at this point in the innings. Wood's going to end up our 3rd highest scorer. Woakes is an allrounder, Wood is a 90 MPH+ pace bowler. He'd have been out for less than 24 with a less aggressive approach.
Absolutely, the afternoon session is already going better than the morning session did to be frank.
I think doubling down on smashing it round the park is probably a good idea at this point in the innings. Wood's going to end up our 3rd highest scorer. Woakes is an allrounder, Wood is a 90 MPH+ pace bowler. He'd have been out for less than 24 with a less aggressive approach.
Australia are a better side than England atm. It's as simple as that.
Basically all fielding and confidence. Thats been the difference.
There is a tiny further straw in the wind for Labour (36) against the SNP (33) in the (of course unreliable) Scottish sub sample.
I think it’s quite possible FPTP is about to deliver one of its unique specials in the next election.
If you Baxter these figures (which won't happen of course) the Tories end up clinging on in South Holland and the Deepings and not much else.
I hate drawing parallels with prior elections (each election is unique) but if the Tories decide to go for the nasty party vote, then Canada 1993 is the only worthy parallel for what should occur.
On topic, if the Mousey one was in the mural, then there could have been copyright*/trademark** issues which would have been a much better spin to put on things than sticking it to the migrant kids.
*original copyright expires in 2024, so all depictions since then would be covered, I guess **not sure whether registered trade mark and can't be bothered to check, but I'd expect so
Not quite. The original Steamboat Willie version of the Mouse will expire in 2024, but more recognisable versions of the Mouse including all in colour will still be subject to copyright.
And yes of course TM still applies.
A bit like Winnie the Pooh - the original book is already in public domain, but Winnie the Pooh as drawn by Disney is under copyright still.
Harumph. Winnie the Pooh as drawn by Disney is a minor abomination. The through spirit of Pooh is captured by E H Shephard.
Commented on this on the last thread. Anyone who thinks that this is a reasonable way to behave really shouldn’t be allowed to take any decisions that affect vulnerable people about anything. Period. They do not have the basic humanity to do so.
Makes me wonder about their other decisions. Such as the way childrten are schooled and fed. Or adults, for that matter.
With RefUK on 9% and tied with the LDs for 3rd in today's Yougov, Jenrick's comments may not show much compassion but will be firmly focused on the hard line on illegal immigration Sunak needs to win back 2019 Conservatives voters now voting Reform
If the Tories aim for RefUK's 9% then that is what the Tories deserve at the next election.
9%
Most of the current Tory voters will also back a harder line on illegal immigration too
The problem you have is a hard line on boat people which allows in more boat people is counter- intuitive.
There is a tiny further straw in the wind for Labour (36) against the SNP (33) in the (of course unreliable) Scottish sub sample.
I think it’s quite possible FPTP is about to deliver one of its unique specials in the next election.
If you Baxter these figures (which won't happen of course) the Tories end up clinging on in South Holland and the Deepings and not much else.
I hate drawing parallels with prior elections (each election is unique) but if the Tories decide to go for the nasty party vote, then Canada 1993 is the only worthy parallel for what should occur.
The opposite. In Canada 1993 all the 'nasty' vote went to the Reform Party and the Canadian Tories not only lost power to the Liberals but were overtaken as the main party of the right and Opposition by the Reform Party and lost almost all their seats
There is a tiny further straw in the wind for Labour (36) against the SNP (33) in the (of course unreliable) Scottish sub sample.
I think it’s quite possible FPTP is about to deliver one of its unique specials in the next election.
If you Baxter these figures (which won't happen of course) the Tories end up clinging on in South Holland and the Deepings and not much else.
I hate drawing parallels with prior elections (each election is unique) but if the Tories decide to go for the nasty party vote, then Canada 1993 is the only worthy parallel for what should occur.
The opposite. In Canada 1993 all the 'nasty' vote went to the Reform Party and the Canadian Tories not only lost power to the Liberals but were overtaken as the main party of the right and Opposition by the Reform Party and lost almost all their seats
I think describing many conservatives as "nasty" is probably counterproductive for the left.
IS the high score for Reform just down to sampling? And is HYUFD correct that Sunak simply has to 'bring them back' to the Cons to make his party's figures respectable?
Maybe so, but maybe not.
Taking the latter point first: It is always worth remembering that the Brexit vote, and UKIP/Reform/Reclaim support, does not draw exclusively from previous Cons. A considerable chunk of that vote is from Labour (remember the Red Wall Con gains). If Reform are on 9%, then even a low ex-Labour figure of 2% means that instead of having a potential 9% gain, Sunak is looking at 5% (7 Con - 2 Lab). Not looking so good. Then, as any smaller party activist will tell you, there are odd crossovers all the time on canvassing sheets: the former BNP voter now voting Green, the former LibDem now voting UKIP, and so on. Add another 1% for that, and now the Cons pool is 4%. FInally there are the NOTA voters who simply drift away when there's no suitable option available: in other words the Reform voters who won't turn out for the Cons just because that's the 'next best thing'. Those can be really significant in number: say another 2%. That leaves the Cons with 2% to play with, instead of the 9% they 'started with' as a target. So, without making any ridiculous estimates, the Con target pool has all but vanished. And I think my estimates, particularly of NOTA voters, are very cautious.
All of this applies to the question of sampling, plus one other factor. If, as I think we all assume, Reform has hardly reached the awareness of most voters, who tend to be low information between elections, what would the impact be on such a voter of seeing 'Reform' as a party name alongside Con, Lab, LDm and Green? 'Reform' sounds good, right? We all think our political system needs reform? Yes we'd like a party called 'Reform' that presumably wants to reform things. But come election time, and people find out what 'Reform' actually stands for, and it isn't hard to see some voters deciding that the reform they want is the LibDem, or Green, or PC/SNP (all right, not SNP) sort of reform.
There is a tiny further straw in the wind for Labour (36) against the SNP (33) in the (of course unreliable) Scottish sub sample.
I think it’s quite possible FPTP is about to deliver one of its unique specials in the next election.
If you Baxter these figures (which won't happen of course) the Tories end up clinging on in South Holland and the Deepings and not much else.
I hate drawing parallels with prior elections (each election is unique) but if the Tories decide to go for the nasty party vote, then Canada 1993 is the only worthy parallel for what should occur.
The opposite. In Canada 1993 all the 'nasty' vote went to the Reform Party and the Canadian Tories not only lost power to the Liberals but were overtaken as the main party of the right and Opposition by the Reform Party and lost almost all their seats
Are you suggesting Farage should go back to someone else's constituency and prepare for government?
There is a tiny further straw in the wind for Labour (36) against the SNP (33) in the (of course unreliable) Scottish sub sample.
I think it’s quite possible FPTP is about to deliver one of its unique specials in the next election.
If you Baxter these figures (which won't happen of course) the Tories end up clinging on in South Holland and the Deepings and not much else.
I hate drawing parallels with prior elections (each election is unique) but if the Tories decide to go for the nasty party vote, then Canada 1993 is the only worthy parallel for what should occur.
The opposite. In Canada 1993 all the 'nasty' vote went to the Reform Party and the Canadian Tories not only lost power to the Liberals but were overtaken as the main party of the right and Opposition by the Reform Party and lost almost all their seats
I think describing many conservatives as "nasty" is probably counterproductive for the left.
Actually being nasty is far, far more counterproductive, whether it be right or left that are being nasty.
Calling out Corbyn's antisemitism and nastiness didn't do the Tories any harm. Nor should calling out the Tories nastiness harm Labour.
Talking of trains I’m on the 14.03 to Penzance, getting off at Totnes. A definite holiday vibe among the passengers. Beautiful weather today (which should have been good for batting, alas).
Talking of trains I’m on the 14.03 to Penzance, getting off at Totnes. A definite holiday vibe among the passengers. Beautiful weather today (which should have been good for batting, alas).
Mm, you'll get the Dawlish coast and Teign Estuary. Is it the direct line? It's a nice trundle past the Crofton pumping station and along the Kennet and Avon Canal.
By @Moonrabbit Dutch salute standards this is bad for Labour because the Lib Dem score is low. The tits are being tucked back under the t-shirt.
However, LLG 63 plays REFCON 31 is pretty good.
Yougov clearly have a problem with sampling though because there’s no way REF and Greens are on anything close to 9% and 7%. Oversampling politically hyper-engaged nutters.
“By Moonrabbit Dutch salute standards this is bad for Labour because the Lib Dem score is low.”
Absolutely. It’s not that size of your LLG what matters, it’s what you do with it.
Uniform swing models put the Tories around 200 seats. Which HY will be very happy with on GE Nite. The difference between Tories 200+ seats or 160- seats is not a Con v Lab battle.
On topic, if the Mousey one was in the mural, then there could have been copyright*/trademark** issues which would have been a much better spin to put on things than sticking it to the migrant kids.
*original copyright expires in 2024, so all depictions since then would be covered, I guess **not sure whether registered trade mark and can't be bothered to check, but I'd expect so
Not quite. The original Steamboat Willie version of the Mouse will expire in 2024, but more recognisable versions of the Mouse including all in colour will still be subject to copyright.
And yes of course TM still applies.
A bit like Winnie the Pooh - the original book is already in public domain, but Winnie the Pooh as drawn by Disney is under copyright still.
"original copyright expires in 2024, so all depictions since then would be covered, I guess"
I shouldn't have put 'I guess' as it's not a guess, but my intention was to point out that is indeed the earliest version, so everything is still covered until 2024. After that it will get more hazy as e.g. a direct copy of the out of copyright one would be fine. Any drawing that wasn't a blatant copy of a later version might be ok too, if argued to be a derived work of the original, rather than of a later, still in copyright, version.
But anyway, you'd think comms would have put out that the real reason was concern about possible infringement, not making it as grim as possible for you arrivees. Unless the desire was to be seen to be making it as grim as possible for young arrivees.
Though ice cream vans have always managed to deal with the copyright thing by having slightly wrongly-drawn characters.
There is a tiny further straw in the wind for Labour (36) against the SNP (33) in the (of course unreliable) Scottish sub sample.
I think it’s quite possible FPTP is about to deliver one of its unique specials in the next election.
If you Baxter these figures (which won't happen of course) the Tories end up clinging on in South Holland and the Deepings and not much else.
I hate drawing parallels with prior elections (each election is unique) but if the Tories decide to go for the nasty party vote, then Canada 1993 is the only worthy parallel for what should occur.
The opposite. In Canada 1993 all the 'nasty' vote went to the Reform Party and the Canadian Tories not only lost power to the Liberals but were overtaken as the main party of the right and Opposition by the Reform Party and lost almost all their seats
I think describing many conservatives as "nasty" is probably counterproductive for the left.
It is the centre right describing the govt as nasty on pb today.
There is a tiny further straw in the wind for Labour (36) against the SNP (33) in the (of course unreliable) Scottish sub sample.
I think it’s quite possible FPTP is about to deliver one of its unique specials in the next election.
If you Baxter these figures (which won't happen of course) the Tories end up clinging on in South Holland and the Deepings and not much else.
I hate drawing parallels with prior elections (each election is unique) but if the Tories decide to go for the nasty party vote, then Canada 1993 is the only worthy parallel for what should occur.
The opposite. In Canada 1993 all the 'nasty' vote went to the Reform Party and the Canadian Tories not only lost power to the Liberals but were overtaken as the main party of the right and Opposition by the Reform Party and lost almost all their seats
I think describing many conservatives as "nasty" is probably counterproductive for the left.
Actually being nasty is far, far more counterproductive, whether it be right or left that are being nasty.
Calling out Corbyn's antisemitism and nastiness didn't do the Tories any harm. Nor should calling out the Tories nastiness harm Labour.
In Sunak, I see a doomed attempt to try to please perceived potential voters by pretending to be something he is not. Similar to how Miliband tried to please perceived potential voters by pretending to be something he is not. Both pandered/ing rather more to the social conservatives than their natural instincts would suggest and putting off social liberals by doing so while also looking weak and dishonest.
Miliband is much better when he's being honest. Sunak perhaps would be too. Or perhaps he is just an empty suit. If you're going to pretend to be something you're not, you need to be a good liar. Johnson was, of course, the master of that. Blair too, to an extent. Brown also tried and failed.
On the wider issue of kicking children in the teeth and stamping on their necks:
"Libraries in England generate at least £3.4bn in value a year through services supporting children’s literacy, digital inclusion and health, a study has found.
Researchers at the University of East Anglia discovered that the services that a typical branch provides in a year are worth £1m, and that libraries’ value could equate to six times their running costs."
Talking of trains I’m on the 14.03 to Penzance, getting off at Totnes. A definite holiday vibe among the passengers. Beautiful weather today (which should have been good for batting, alas).
If we'd only had some batsmen rather than headless chickens.
That's on UNS. And as Duke Ellington didn't write, It Don't Mean A Thing If It's Uniform Swing (doo wop doo wop doo wop doo wop doo wop).
Even 20% LibLab tactical slosh takes the Conservatives down to 42.
At 50%, they are down to 21, behind both the Lib Dems and the SNP. The Conservative leadership election would be between Jeremy Hunt, Damian Hinds, Sir Gavin Williamson and Mark Francois.
On topic, if the Mousey one was in the mural, then there could have been copyright*/trademark** issues which would have been a much better spin to put on things than sticking it to the migrant kids.
*original copyright expires in 2024, so all depictions since then would be covered, I guess **not sure whether registered trade mark and can't be bothered to check, but I'd expect so
I don’t think copyright is a slam dunk. You can use copyrighted materials in the U.K. if you can apply one or more of a number of ‘fair dealing’ exceptions to copyright law, which means that certain uses of an artistic work do not require permission from the copyright owner so long as the use is considered to be ‘fair’. It’s possible (although this is outside my area) this use could fall within “educational” in that it is intended to create a calmer environment for children out of their native environment to play and learn.
More relevant, given that no possible commercial advantage was being gained by anyone by this use, it’s hard to see what damage Disney could suffer, and thus what remedy they could claim. Quite the opposite in fact - if anything HMG was freely advertising their products. Does Disney want a situation where every school, youth group etc up and down the U.K. is too scared to put The Mouse on their walls?
By @Moonrabbit Dutch salute standards this is bad for Labour because the Lib Dem score is low. The tits are being tucked back under the t-shirt.
However, LLG 63 plays REFCON 31 is pretty good.
Yougov clearly have a problem with sampling though because there’s no way REF and Greens are on anything close to 9% and 7%. Oversampling politically hyper-engaged nutters.
What is a Dutch salute? I'm guessing you're not using either of the definitions listed in the Urban Dictionary.
I’ll leave it to the original positor of this polling theory to reveal all.
I’m a bit busy watching the cricket. 😃
England can end up chasing a smallish total in the 4th innings.
On the wider issue of kicking children in the teeth and stamping on their necks:
"Libraries in England generate at least £3.4bn in value a year through services supporting children’s literacy, digital inclusion and health, a study has found.
Researchers at the University of East Anglia discovered that the services that a typical branch provides in a year are worth £1m, and that libraries’ value could equate to six times their running costs."
We should have ten times as many libraries then. This kind of analysis is always so speculative. in this case they include rates and social care that would otherwise have been delivered anyway.
@Omnisis 1/ With Wimbledon in full swing, Labour smashed it in the polls this week. They’ve served up a 26-point lead over the Tories according to our latest voter intention poll.
🔴 Lab 51% (+3) 🔵 Con 25% (-1) 🟠 LD 8% (NC) 🟡 SNP 3% (-1) ⚪ Ref 5% (-2) 🟢 Green 5% (NC)
Talking of trains I’m on the 14.03 to Penzance, getting off at Totnes. A definite holiday vibe among the passengers. Beautiful weather today (which should have been good for batting, alas).
We're off to Southwold tomorrow for the weekend. I'm a bit of a connoisseur of the British seaside, and IMV Southwold is the nearest you can get to perfection.
Sadly I can't get the train there, unless they hurry up and rebuild the Southwold Railway...
Unfortunately, from 188-1 at Lord's and arguably also in the second innings at Edgbaston, England's batting has been poor. They simply have not shown enough application. They've made fantastic opportunities and let them slip with dumb shots. Coupled with some very ordinary fielding they have literally thrown away the Ashes. First defeat on home soil since 2001.
The percentage of 6s in this England innings must be one of the highest in the history of test cricket. Andy Saltzman might have something to say about it later on.
Unfortunately, from 188-1 at Lord's and arguably also in the second innings at Edgbaston, England's batting has been poor. They simply have not shown enough application. They've made fantastic opportunities and let them slip with dumb shots. Coupled with some very ordinary fielding they have literally thrown away the Ashes. First defeat on home soil since 2001.
Probably but Stokes can get a 1st innings lead at this rate
Forget interest rates, pay rates and the cost of living.
If Sunak just says "stop the boats" one more time that will turn things around.
5674th time is the charm.
If he'd actually been 'stopping the boats' rather than overseeing a significant increase since making his ridiculous pledges, then it might actually have some purchase (even so, it's nowt next to people being hundreds of pounds worse off every month).
Talking of trains I’m on the 14.03 to Penzance, getting off at Totnes. A definite holiday vibe among the passengers. Beautiful weather today (which should have been good for batting, alas).
Fools gold weather today sadly 😕 forecast for rest of July is rubbish
25% for the Tories there though is higher than the 22% with Yougov
When the world ends I want you there to give a positive spin for the Tories. “YouGov’s last survey before Selby became an irradiated wasteland put the Tories 2% ahead amongst cockroaches and other species most likely to survive a nuclear inferno.”
Ouch. Not that they don't deserve it and some of those are margin of error territory, but that's damning if they can't even win on traditional Tory territory or on Ukraine!
25% for the Tories there though is higher than the 22% with Yougov
When the world ends I want you there to give a positive spin for the Tories. “YouGov’s last survey before Selby became an irradiated wasteland put the Tories 2% ahead amongst cockroaches and other species most likely to survive a nuclear inferno.”
The cockroaches though had a higher approval rating...
25% for the Tories there though is higher than the 22% with Yougov
When the world ends I want you there to give a positive spin for the Tories. “YouGov’s last survey before Selby became an irradiated wasteland put the Tories 2% ahead amongst cockroaches and other species most likely to survive a nuclear inferno.”
Either that or he'll be saying that the imminent cockroach takeover of the world is a reason for the Tories to aim for the ReFUK vote.
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Fantastic poll for SKS Party
Rishi is screwed
LAB: 47% (+1)
CON: 22% (-2)
LDEM: 9% (-1)
REF: 9% (+1)
GRN: 7% (-)
via @YouGov, 05 - 06 Jul
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icgH_3dXdOU
EXCLUSIVE: Labour ahead in Uxbridge and Selby, polls find in by-elections double blow for Rishi Sunak
https://twitter.com/nicholascecil/status/1677280248201617409?s=20
Labour is more trusted than the Conservatives on EVERY issue.
Which party do voters trust the most on...? (Labour | the Conservatives)
NHS (41% | 18%)
Housing (38% | 16%)
Education (38% | 19%)
Immigration (30% | 23%)
The Economy (33% | 27%)
Ukraine (29% | 27%)
*original copyright expires in 2024, so all depictions since then would be covered, I guess
**not sure whether registered trade mark and can't be bothered to check, but I'd expect so
Scoring enough ticks to pass the bar for even one of those disorders is a different matter though.
Those boxpok wheels
And the wheelspin!
And this government simply hasn't a leg to stand on here. Immigration has vastly increased, legal and illegal, under Boris-Liz-Rishi. Simply being inhumane to migrants is pretty much all they have left now (unsurprising really, as they more than any other government I can recall, have massively prioritised optics over substance).
I don't think the public will be fooled though. Ironically, Rishi's own pledges have spotlighted his governments key failures.
And yes of course TM still applies.
A bit like Winnie the Pooh - the original book is already in public domain, but Winnie the Pooh as drawn by Disney is under copyright still.
https://jlpartners.com/s/Selby_Ainsty_byelection_tables.xlsx
Interesting that Con leads with males, who are a substantially smaller part of the unweighted sample. It's smallish (500) but the difference is outside MoE (random error) so depends on whether they've got their weighting right.
9%
5 wickets with the ball.
With the bat: 6, 4, 6 first three balls he faced this innings.
the t-shirt.
However, LLG 63 plays REFCON 31 is pretty good.
Yougov clearly have a problem with sampling though because there’s no way REF and Greens are on anything close to 9% and 7%. Oversampling politically hyper-engaged nutters.
In fact the 41% Labour are on in Uxbridge is not much higher than the 38% Labour got in Uxbridge in 2019.
So plenty of scope for the Tories to squeeze undecideds with the ULEZ issue
There is a proportion of the population that is, for want of a better word, nasty. Selfish, cruel. Lacking the imagination to think that they might ever be at the bottom of the heap through no real fault of their own.
They're not all Conservatives- think of trade unionists who are happy to screw over other workers to get more of the pie for themselves. And even now, most Conservatives aren't nasty. And most of us reveal streaks of nasty when threatened, and these are threatening times.
But when a big party is scrabbling round in the low to mid twenties percent in the polls, the temptation to go after the nasty vote is blooming strong. Because they're votes and they're not hard to grab.
And right now, they're the most reliable votes the Conservatives have got.
I shouldn't have put 'I guess' as it's not a guess, but my intention was to point out that is indeed the earliest version, so everything is still covered until 2024. After that it will get more hazy as e.g. a direct copy of the out of copyright one would be fine. Any drawing that wasn't a blatant copy of a later version might be ok too, if argued to be a derived work of the original, rather than of a later, still in copyright, version.
But anyway, you'd think comms would have put out that the real reason was concern about possible infringement, not making it as grim as possible for you arrivees. Unless the desire was to be seen to be making it as grim as possible for young arrivees.
Mark Wood c Marsh b Cummins 24 (8b 1x4 3x6) SR: 300
But that's all you'll get. And all you'll deserve.
From the wonderful John Finnemore:
https://youtu.be/Lray-9F1WP4
And why, though they should (surely?) return in time, there's a non-trivial risk that they won't.
Uxbridge 11.5%
Selby 24%
Maybe so, but maybe not.
Taking the latter point first:
It is always worth remembering that the Brexit vote, and UKIP/Reform/Reclaim support, does not draw exclusively from previous Cons. A considerable chunk of that vote is from Labour (remember the Red Wall Con gains). If Reform are on 9%, then even a low ex-Labour figure of 2% means that instead of having a potential 9% gain, Sunak is looking at 5% (7 Con - 2 Lab). Not looking so good.
Then, as any smaller party activist will tell you, there are odd crossovers all the time on canvassing sheets: the former BNP voter now voting Green, the former LibDem now voting UKIP, and so on. Add another 1% for that, and now the Cons pool is 4%.
FInally there are the NOTA voters who simply drift away when there's no suitable option available: in other words the Reform voters who won't turn out for the Cons just because that's the 'next best thing'. Those can be really significant in number: say another 2%. That leaves the Cons with 2% to play with, instead of the 9% they 'started with' as a target.
So, without making any ridiculous estimates, the Con target pool has all but vanished. And I think my estimates, particularly of NOTA voters, are very cautious.
All of this applies to the question of sampling, plus one other factor. If, as I think we all assume, Reform has hardly reached the awareness of most voters, who tend to be low information between elections, what would the impact be on such a voter of seeing 'Reform' as a party name alongside Con, Lab, LDm and Green? 'Reform' sounds good, right? We all think our political system needs reform? Yes we'd like a party called 'Reform' that presumably wants to reform things. But come election time, and people find out what 'Reform' actually stands for, and it isn't hard to see some voters deciding that the reform they want is the LibDem, or Green, or PC/SNP (all right, not SNP)
sort of reform.
https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/fcgi-bin/usercode.py?scotcontrol=Y&CON=22&LAB=47&LIB=9&Reform=9&Green=7&UKIP=&TVCON=&TVLAB=&TVLIB=&TVReform=&TVGreen=&TVUKIP=&SCOTCON=18.5&SCOTLAB=31.5&SCOTLIB=7.8&SCOTReform=0&SCOTGreen=1.3&SCOTUKIP=&SCOTNAT=36.4&display=AllChanged&regorseat=(none)&boundary=2019nbbase
Calling out Corbyn's antisemitism and nastiness didn't do the Tories any harm. Nor should calling out the Tories nastiness harm Labour.
Absolutely. It’s not that size of your LLG what matters, it’s what you do with it.
Uniform swing models put the Tories around 200 seats. Which HY will be very happy with on GE Nite. The difference between Tories 200+ seats or 160- seats is not a Con v Lab battle.
Miliband is much better when he's being honest. Sunak perhaps would be too. Or perhaps he is just an empty suit. If you're going to pretend to be something you're not, you need to be a good liar. Johnson was, of course, the master of that. Blair too, to an extent. Brown also tried and failed.
On the wider issue of kicking children in the teeth and stamping on their necks:
"Libraries in England generate at least £3.4bn in value a year through services supporting children’s literacy, digital inclusion and health, a study has found.
Researchers at the University of East Anglia discovered that the services that a typical branch provides in a year are worth £1m, and that libraries’ value could equate to six times their running costs."
Even 20% LibLab tactical slosh takes the Conservatives down to 42.
At 50%, they are down to 21, behind both the Lib Dems and the SNP. The Conservative leadership election would be between Jeremy Hunt, Damian Hinds, Sir Gavin Williamson and Mark Francois.
#justabitof fun
‘fair’. It’s possible (although this is outside my area) this use could fall within “educational” in that it is intended to create a calmer environment for children out of their native environment to play and learn.
More relevant, given that no possible commercial advantage was being gained by anyone by this use, it’s hard to see what damage Disney could suffer, and thus what remedy they could claim. Quite the opposite in fact - if anything HMG was freely advertising their products. Does Disney want a situation where every school, youth group etc up and down the U.K. is too scared to put The Mouse on their walls?
Rishi is even more screwed
Westminster voting intention:
LAB: 51% (+3)
CON: 25% (-1)
LDEM: 8% (-)
REF: 5% (-2)
GRN: 5% (-)
via @Omnisis, 06 - 07 Jul
England can end up chasing a smallish total in the 4th innings.
If Sunak just says "stop the boats" one more time that will turn things around.
5674th time is the charm.
1/ With Wimbledon in full swing, Labour smashed it in the polls this week. They’ve served up a 26-point lead over the Tories according to our latest voter intention poll.
🔴 Lab 51% (+3)
🔵 Con 25% (-1)
🟠 LD 8% (NC)
🟡 SNP 3% (-1)
⚪ Ref 5% (-2)
🟢 Green 5% (NC)
What’s wrong with LLG voters - are they just plain stupid 🤷♀️
Sadly I can't get the train there, unless they hurry up and rebuild the Southwold Railway...