Just watched it - a bit of booing, a bit of applauding and then a couple of Aussies square up to some grey-haired old duffers in oat-coloured jackets. All rather silly.
Indeed. But I hope Leon and his two pals get their suspension rescinded soon.
Looking forward to seeing flares up bottoms on the Long Room balcony. The rot set in today and it can't be long now. Wonder if it's possible to buy flares which emit smoke in MCC colours?
There was a Scottish guy behind us, in the Compton stand, who was a wild England supporter
I've encountered these Scots before. Passionately pro-England
I guess it must be a dilemma. Support a Scotland team that will never win anything or go anywhere, or support England as "the British" team and then see some real glory
I have a good Welsh friend who loudly supports England at cricket, which is obviously more acceptable (it is the England and Wales cricket board, and there is no "Wales" team) however it is still feels a little jarring, when he loathes England at rugby
Those folk have obviously not grasped the true essence of detachment from worldly concerns which following the Scotland football team induces, as does coarse fishing and the making of models of HMS Victory true in every rope. It's not as if the England [edit] cricket team won anything this weekend, in contrast to the Scotland team.
So it is the same as the footbal? Fervently ignore ACTUAL WORLD CUPS WON BY ENGLAND
I genuinely feel sympathy, and it is also insightful of Nat thinking. The inferiority complex is basically written into the DNA of the UK. and is unavoidable: England will always be better at everything (simply by being bigger, richer, older and nobler) the only way to cope is to break up the Union, however self harming it is, or consistently shout "turnip" like MalcolmG
What inferiority?
I believe superiority involves finding validation for one's flabby, pot bellied existence in the performance of superfit young sportsmen whom one couldn't possibly hope to match, even in one's prime. For some folk anyway.
Is that why you had a weird tartan orgasm when Scotland beat Norway, two weeks ago?
"Alien" is on ITV4. It's 44 years old. It looks like it was filmed yesterday. Given the proliferation of color correction and bad CGI in modern films, it looks better than if it was filmed yesterday.
John Hurt has just spotted something moving in an egg. The petals have just opened. I wonder what happens ne[transmission interrupted]
Switch over to ITV1 at 10:15.
Coincidentally, that's about the time it bursts from Hurt's chest...
10:22 Harry Dean Stanton has gone to look for the cat. Water drips onto his face. He looks up...
10:33 Tom Skerritt enters the duct. Veronica Cartwright tracks him with a machine and they all listen in. Beep-beep, beep-beep. She gets confused and panicky. Beep-beep. He gets disorientated. Beep-beep. He turns around...
10:42: Sigourney Weaver enters the computer room with many blinky lights.She interrogates the computer and discovers Ian Holm is acting on secret orders. She leans back and he's in the room. She tries to leave but he blocks her exit. A trail of white not-sweat seeps down his temple...
"Alien" is on ITV4. It's 44 years old. It looks like it was filmed yesterday. Given the proliferation of color correction and bad CGI in modern films, it looks better than if it was filmed yesterday.
John Hurt has just spotted something moving in an egg. The petals have just opened. I wonder what happens ne[transmission interrupted]
Switch over to ITV1 at 10:15.
Coincidentally, that's about the time it bursts from Hurt's chest...
10:22 Harry Dean Stanton has gone to look for the cat. Water drips onto his face. He looks up...
10:33 Tom Skerritt enters the duct. Veronica Cartwright tracks him with a machine and they all listen in. Beep-beep, beep-beep. She gets confused and panicky. Beep-beep. He gets disorientated. Beep-beep. He turns around...
10:42: Sigourney Weaver enters the computer room with many blinky lights.She interrogates the computer and discovers Ian Holm is acting on secret orders. She leans back and he's in the room. She tries to leave but he blocks her exit. A trail of white not-sweat seeps down his temple...
10:47 "Bring back the life form. Priority One. All other priorities rescinded..."
"Alien" is on ITV4. It's 44 years old. It looks like it was filmed yesterday. Given the proliferation of color correction and bad CGI in modern films, it looks better than if it was filmed yesterday.
John Hurt has just spotted something moving in an egg. The petals have just opened. I wonder what happens ne[transmission interrupted]
Switch over to ITV1 at 10:15.
Coincidentally, that's about the time it bursts from Hurt's chest...
10:22 Harry Dean Stanton has gone to look for the cat. Water drips onto his face. He looks up...
10:33 Tom Skerritt enters the duct. Veronica Cartwright tracks him with a machine and they all listen in. Beep-beep, beep-beep. She gets confused and panicky. Beep-beep. He gets disorientated. Beep-beep. He turns around...
10:42: Sigourney Weaver enters the computer room with many blinky lights.She interrogates the computer and discovers Ian Holm is acting on secret orders. She leans back and he's in the room. She tries to leave but he blocks her exit. A trail of white not-sweat seeps down his temple...
10:47 "Bring back the life form. Priority One. All other priorities rescinded..."
Any Scottish independence referendum should give Orkney and the Shetlands an escape clause.
As in, escape to Norway?
Many in Scotland complained of being dragged out of the EU against their will. Likewise, the people of O&S should not be dragged out of the UK against their will, should Scotland vote for independence. In that eventuality, they should be given the option to stay in the UK or to chart another path separate to the rest of Scotland.
Just Orkney and Shetland? No other parts that might be given the same clause?
Any Scottish independence referendum should give Orkney and the Shetlands an escape clause.
As in, escape to Norway?
Many in Scotland complained of being dragged out of the EU against their will. Likewise, the people of O&S should not be dragged out of the UK against their will, should Scotland vote for independence. In that eventuality, they should be given the option to stay in the UK or to chart another path separate to the rest of Scotland.
Any Scottish independence referendum should give Orkney and the Shetlands an escape clause.
As in, escape to Norway?
Many in Scotland complained of being dragged out of the EU against their will. Likewise, the people of O&S should not be dragged out of the UK against their will, should Scotland vote for independence. In that eventuality, they should be given the option to stay in the UK or to chart another path separate to the rest of Scotland.
Just Orkney and Shetland? No other parts that might be given the same clause?
Curious how many folk feel able to Unionsplain on behalf of bits where - so far as I know - they have no vote or citizenship, actual or potential.
Any Scottish independence referendum should give Orkney and the Shetlands an escape clause.
As in, escape to Norway?
Many in Scotland complained of being dragged out of the EU against their will. Likewise, the people of O&S should not be dragged out of the UK against their will, should Scotland vote for independence. In that eventuality, they should be given the option to stay in the UK or to chart another path separate to the rest of Scotland.
Just Orkney and Shetland? No other parts that might be given the same clause?
Curious how many folk feel able to Unionsplain on behalf of bits where - so far as I know - they have no vote or citizenship, actual or potential.
What drivel is this? We are all citizens of the UK, where we all have a vote - and therefore a role and a say. Long may it remain so, and - with the corrupt SNP totally imploding - there is no present threat to this state of affairs, praise the Lord
This is, by the by, why you ain't getting a 2nd referendum. Because the entire UK decides what is best for the UK, not you stupid smelly Nats
11:00 Yaphet Kotto and Veronica Cartwright are collecting oxygen bottles. It's not going well. Behind her is a bright light. A shadow passes across it. Veronica glances up and freezes. The creature rises to its full height...
Just caught the clip of Bairstow being run out and it's funnier than I imagined. They way the keeper threw at the stumps straight away, knowing ginge would wander off. The crowd booing because they're thick as shit. The blank confusion on Bairstow's face.
They pulled his trousers down and spanked his arse in broad daylight. Amazing.
11:12: Sigourney goes along the consoles, setting the shuttle up for the trip back to Earth. Behind the console is a mess of wires and pipes, including an elongated dome. She presses more buttons and the hidden alien extends its arm. She hasn't escaped. She retreats into a closet and dons a spacesuit...
Just caught the clip of Bairstow being run out and it's funnier than I imagined. They way the keeper threw at the stumps straight away, knowing ginge would wander off. The crowd booing because they're thick as shit. The blank confusion on Bairstow's face.
They pulled his trousers down and spanked his arse in broad daylight. Amazing.
It was very well timed. If the keeper had held onto it even for a second or two, or Bairstow a little slower in setting off, it would not have worked, yet the throw came at the precise moment needed.
Just caught the clip of Bairstow being run out and it's funnier than I imagined. They way the keeper threw at the stumps straight away, knowing ginge would wander off. The crowd booing because they're thick as shit. The blank confusion on Bairstow's face.
They pulled his trousers down and spanked his arse in broad daylight. Amazing.
It was very well timed. If the keeper had held onto it even for a second or two, or Bairstow a little slower in setting off, it would not have worked, yet the throw came at the precise moment needed.
It was perhaps the most perfect thing I've seen on a cricket pitch. 🇳🇿
Just caught the clip of Bairstow being run out and it's funnier than I imagined. They way the keeper threw at the stumps straight away, knowing ginge would wander off. The crowd booing because they're thick as shit. The blank confusion on Bairstow's face.
They pulled his trousers down and spanked his arse in broad daylight. Amazing.
It was very well timed. If the keeper had held onto it even for a second or two, or Bairstow a little slower in setting off, it would not have worked, yet the throw came at the precise moment needed.
It was perhaps the most perfect thing I've seen on a cricket pitch. 🇳🇿
Just caught the clip of Bairstow being run out and it's funnier than I imagined. They way the keeper threw at the stumps straight away, knowing ginge would wander off. The crowd booing because they're thick as shit. The blank confusion on Bairstow's face.
They pulled his trousers down and spanked his arse in broad daylight. Amazing.
That's disappointing from you - didn't have you down as a sporting anglo-phobe.
Just caught the clip of Bairstow being run out and it's funnier than I imagined. They way the keeper threw at the stumps straight away, knowing ginge would wander off. The crowd booing because they're thick as shit. The blank confusion on Bairstow's face.
They pulled his trousers down and spanked his arse in broad daylight. Amazing.
That's disappointing from you - didn't have you down as a sporting anglo-phobe.
I'm not always. I loved England's win in 2005. But I was always rooting for this Australia over this England, and today's shenanigans really tickled me.
Just caught the clip of Bairstow being run out and it's funnier than I imagined. They way the keeper threw at the stumps straight away, knowing ginge would wander off. The crowd booing because they're thick as shit. The blank confusion on Bairstow's face.
They pulled his trousers down and spanked his arse in broad daylight. Amazing.
That's disappointing from you - didn't have you down as a sporting anglo-phobe.
I'm not always. I loved England's win in 2005. But I was always rooting for this Australia over this England, and today's shenanigans really tickled me.
Just caught the clip of Bairstow being run out and it's funnier than I imagined. They way the keeper threw at the stumps straight away, knowing ginge would wander off. The crowd booing because they're thick as shit. The blank confusion on Bairstow's face.
They pulled his trousers down and spanked his arse in broad daylight. Amazing.
That's disappointing from you - didn't have you down as a sporting anglo-phobe.
I'm not always. I loved England's win in 2005. But I was always rooting for this Australia over this England, and today's shenanigans really tickled me.
Yeah but I saw Ben Stokes hit arguably the greatest Test innings ever seen in England. In an ashes match. On the last day at Lord’s (which is, I’ve realised, my nearest cricket pitch)
A mere loss to some Aussie gamesmanship is nothing compared to that. It is genuinely something I will cherish to my dying moment
Like seeing Led Zep play live in the Marquee in 1971. Like seeing a young Olivier play Hamlet at the Old Vic. Like watching Zhukov giving orders in the black ruins of Stalingrad
Just caught the clip of Bairstow being run out and it's funnier than I imagined. They way the keeper threw at the stumps straight away, knowing ginge would wander off. The crowd booing because they're thick as shit. The blank confusion on Bairstow's face.
They pulled his trousers down and spanked his arse in broad daylight. Amazing.
That's disappointing from you - didn't have you down as a sporting anglo-phobe.
I'm not always. I loved England's win in 2005. But I was always rooting for this Australia over this England, and today's shenanigans really tickled me.
Odd.
How so? I don't have to stay loyal to a team. In 2005 I liked Flintoff and Pietersen. I also liked Warne and Lee. I didn't like Vaughan or Ponting. On balance I found England much more pleasing that time around. But this time around I like Australia much better. If England play Hungary in the football I'll support England. If they play Italy, I'll support Italy. England's just another country which I like and dislike depending on who's on the field. It's how most people feel about most countries other than their own, I think.
11:16: "You are my lucky star. Lucky lucky lucky star...".
11:18: "Final report of the USS Nostromo..."
11:19: "This is Ripley, last survivor of the Nostromo, signing off...". The music rolls, as does the credits. The end
Got rather tends there at the end.
The music is odd. It's not a big rousing score like John Williams or Jerry Goldsmith, more a small spooky score, something that wouldn't be out of place in Planet Of The Apes or an episode of UFO. There's nothing wrong with it, but it's very period specific. But apart from that it's damn nearly timeless. The early computer graphics - if you can even call them that - famously get reused in Blade Runner. It invented all the clichés: sirens, alarms, Big Gothic Spaceship, "ten seconds to self-destruct", corridors with walls made out of perforated plastic, lighting from behind the walls, pull-away panels enabling immersive sets, gusts of carbon dioxide(?) to add atmosphere. There's only seven people in the cast. The set design is brilliant, and every time the effects are a bit dodgy, just pump more smoke into the studio. Three years later he did Blade Runner. Damn.
Just caught the clip of Bairstow being run out and it's funnier than I imagined. They way the keeper threw at the stumps straight away, knowing ginge would wander off. The crowd booing because they're thick as shit. The blank confusion on Bairstow's face.
They pulled his trousers down and spanked his arse in broad daylight. Amazing.
That's disappointing from you - didn't have you down as a sporting anglo-phobe.
I'm not always. I loved England's win in 2005. But I was always rooting for this Australia over this England, and today's shenanigans really tickled me.
Yeah but I saw Ben Stokes hit arguably the greatest Test innings ever seen in England. In an ashes match. On the last day at Lord’s (which is, I’ve realised, my nearest cricket pitch)
A mere loss to some Aussie gamesmanship is nothing compared to that. It is genuinely something I will cherish to my dying moment
Like seeing Led Zep play live in the Marquee in 1971. Like seeing a young Olivier play Hamlet at the Old Vic. Like watching Zhukov giving orders in the black ruins of Stalingrad
I WAS THERE
Yes, but Led Zeppelin, Olivier, and Zhukov didn't all get slapped in the balls by Alex Carey.
Just caught the clip of Bairstow being run out and it's funnier than I imagined. They way the keeper threw at the stumps straight away, knowing ginge would wander off. The crowd booing because they're thick as shit. The blank confusion on Bairstow's face.
They pulled his trousers down and spanked his arse in broad daylight. Amazing.
That's disappointing from you - didn't have you down as a sporting anglo-phobe.
I'm not always. I loved England's win in 2005. But I was always rooting for this Australia over this England, and today's shenanigans really tickled me.
Yeah but I saw Ben Stokes hit arguably the greatest Test innings ever seen in England. In an ashes match. On the last day at Lord’s (which is, I’ve realised, my nearest cricket pitch)
A mere loss to some Aussie gamesmanship is nothing compared to that. It is genuinely something I will cherish to my dying moment
Like seeing Led Zep play live in the Marquee in 1971. Like seeing a young Olivier play Hamlet at the Old Vic. Like watching Zhukov giving orders in the black ruins of Stalingrad
Actually, of course, that wasn't comparable with Stokes because it was nowhere near resulting in a win, but was still awesome to behold - in the crowd quite frightening in the way he was hitting some of those balls.
11:16: "You are my lucky star. Lucky lucky lucky star...".
11:18: "Final report of the USS Nostromo..."
11:19: "This is Ripley, last survivor of the Nostromo, signing off...". The music rolls, as does the credits. The end
Got rather tends there at the end.
The music is odd. It's not a big rousing score like John Williams or Jerry Goldsmith, more a small spooky score, something that wouldn't be out of place in Planet Of The Apes or an episode of UFO. There's nothing wrong with it, but it's very period specific. But apart from that it's damn nearly timeless. The early computer graphics - if you can even call them that - famously get reused in Blade Runner. It invented all the clichés: sirens, alarms, Big Gothic Spaceship, "ten seconds to self-destruct", corridors with walls made out of perforated plastic, lighting from behind the walls, pull-away panels enabling immersive sets, gusts of carbon dioxide(?) to add atmosphere. There's only seven people in the cast. The set design is brilliant, and every time the effects are a bit dodgy, just pump more smoke into the studio. Three years later he did Blade Runner. Damn.
Yes. Ridley Scott has a claim to be the greatest movie director ever. Fuck all that orson Welles or Tarkovsky or Fellini shite
Scott has made three or four of the greatest movies of all time
Just caught the clip of Bairstow being run out and it's funnier than I imagined. They way the keeper threw at the stumps straight away, knowing ginge would wander off. The crowd booing because they're thick as shit. The blank confusion on Bairstow's face.
They pulled his trousers down and spanked his arse in broad daylight. Amazing.
That's disappointing from you - didn't have you down as a sporting anglo-phobe.
I'm not always. I loved England's win in 2005. But I was always rooting for this Australia over this England, and today's shenanigans really tickled me.
Odd.
How so? I don't have to stay loyal to a team. In 2005 I liked Flintoff and Pietersen. I also liked Warne and Lee. I didn't like Vaughan or Ponting. On balance I found England much more pleasing that time around. But this time around I like Australia much better. If England play Hungary in the football I'll support England. If they play Italy, I'll support Italy. England's just another country which I like and dislike depending on who's on the field. It's how most people feel about most countries other than their own, I think.
Hmm. Okay. You have a strange way about sporting loyalties - i.e. yours are entirely ad hoc. I'm not going to condemn it if that is your bag, but 'unusual' is not the word.
Presumably Bairstow believed the ball to be dead when he left his ground? Did the wicket keeper think that Bairstow believed the ball to be dead?
The replay I saw seemed to show Carey throwing it almost immediately after he caught it, didn’t seem much think about it.
So "finally settling in the wicket keeper's hands" had not happened. There is no doubt that Bairstow was correctly given out.
Spirit of cricket? Barely present in an Ashes test, but purists might question whether or what the (rather inattentive) Bairstow was trying to accomplish by moving down the pitch - certainly not stealing a run.
It was out under the letter of the law. But surely the stumping rule was introduced so that the batsmen can't get the advantage of going down the pitch to a delivery without incurring some risk; it wasn't intended to allow a sneaky a dismissal when the batman wrongly thought the over had been called.
How do you think Carey should have been able to stump Bairstow, given that he wasn't able to stand up owing to the fact that Green was bowling short pitched deliveries making it unwise to do so? What you say is the same thing as saying that Carey shouldn't have been able to stump Bairstow under any circumstances just because he was standing back.
Anyone who says what Carey did was wrong is implicitly calling for a new rule of cricket stating that "A batsman cannot be stumped by the wicket keeper if the latter is standing back from the stumps".
Just caught the clip of Bairstow being run out and it's funnier than I imagined. They way the keeper threw at the stumps straight away, knowing ginge would wander off. The crowd booing because they're thick as shit. The blank confusion on Bairstow's face.
They pulled his trousers down and spanked his arse in broad daylight. Amazing.
That's disappointing from you - didn't have you down as a sporting anglo-phobe.
I'm not always. I loved England's win in 2005. But I was always rooting for this Australia over this England, and today's shenanigans really tickled me.
Yeah but I saw Ben Stokes hit arguably the greatest Test innings ever seen in England. In an ashes match. On the last day at Lord’s (which is, I’ve realised, my nearest cricket pitch)
A mere loss to some Aussie gamesmanship is nothing compared to that. It is genuinely something I will cherish to my dying moment
Like seeing Led Zep play live in the Marquee in 1971. Like seeing a young Olivier play Hamlet at the Old Vic. Like watching Zhukov giving orders in the black ruins of Stalingrad
Actually, of course, that wasn't comparable with Stokes because it was nowhere near resulting in a win, but was still awesome to behold - in the crowd quite frightening in the way he was hitting some of those balls.
Flintoff at his best was genius
A notch below Stokes, I’d say, coz Stokes is also an incredible captain
Just caught the clip of Bairstow being run out and it's funnier than I imagined. They way the keeper threw at the stumps straight away, knowing ginge would wander off. The crowd booing because they're thick as shit. The blank confusion on Bairstow's face.
They pulled his trousers down and spanked his arse in broad daylight. Amazing.
That's disappointing from you - didn't have you down as a sporting anglo-phobe.
I'm not always. I loved England's win in 2005. But I was always rooting for this Australia over this England, and today's shenanigans really tickled me.
Yeah but I saw Ben Stokes hit arguably the greatest Test innings ever seen in England. In an ashes match. On the last day at Lord’s (which is, I’ve realised, my nearest cricket pitch)
A mere loss to some Aussie gamesmanship is nothing compared to that. It is genuinely something I will cherish to my dying moment
Like seeing Led Zep play live in the Marquee in 1971. Like seeing a young Olivier play Hamlet at the Old Vic. Like watching Zhukov giving orders in the black ruins of Stalingrad
I WAS THERE
Indeed, great innings by Stokes.
Day marred though by oiks in the Long Room booing and being rude to the Australian players, correctly the MCC has suspended them. How on earth they got in in the first place is beyond me, the MCC Pavilion and Long Room is supposed to be exclusive for those who know how to behave ie posh by manners not just with money. Much like the Royal Box at Wimbledon or the Royal Enclosure at Ascot
"Proper media is for more sensible reporting of something that did happen."
But they don't do that either. They are just pitifully slow, and when they do report, it is with lazy bias and a lack of nous
Exactly, they sit in this awkward middle ground of being neither quick enough to tell you what is happening now, or slow enough to dispense with immediacy and take a considered view after the fact.
It's really a very difficult problem for news channels and news shows. Probably they should spend less on news, and more on documentaries.
I honestly think news reporting was a lot better when there was less of it, and the main news show was late in the day, and often bookended with current affairs documentaries.
Yes, I entirely agree
Their job in reporting "news" in the moment is over. Social media does it so much faster. albeit with flaws. But nothing can match its instant speed
Legacy news needs to move to slower and considered analysis, or indeed political polemics (which should be allowed on all sides in a healthy polity)
I think you're underplaying the "flaws". Last week I heard the Putin was in St Petersburg, Putin was fleeing east, Putin was in a bunker, Putin had been detained, Putin was dead. I heard Lukashenko was in Turkey, in Moscow, was also dead, was now taking over a new Russia-Belorussian union. I heard it was a coup, a revolution, a trap, a feint, an insurrection, a fiction, a CIA plot. I heard Wagner were already in Moscow and that they hadn't even left Rostov. I heard the Wagner column was bombed, was attacked by civilians, was cheered by civilians, and, again for emphasis, didn't exist.
That's not "flaws". That's epistemological anarchy.
That's what Bayes Theorem is for.
For example, the only person saying Lukashenko was poised to lead a new Russia-Belorussian union was the one poster we have on here with a weird obsession about Lukashenko. So it's quite easy to assign a very low probability to that possibility. You can do the same to all the other possible events on your list on the basis of the reliability of the source for the information, whether it was from more than one source, came with any video or photographic evidence, etc.
Now all that takes a bit more effort than blindly ingesting the assessment of a BBC correspondent, so you're only going to do it for something you're particularly interested in. and You will make mistakes, same as the BBC correspondent will.
Presumably Bairstow believed the ball to be dead when he left his ground? Did the wicket keeper think that Bairstow believed the ball to be dead?
The replay I saw seemed to show Carey throwing it almost immediately after he caught it, didn’t seem much think about it.
So "finally settling in the wicket keeper's hands" had not happened. There is no doubt that Bairstow was correctly given out.
Spirit of cricket? Barely present in an Ashes test, but purists might question whether or what the (rather inattentive) Bairstow was trying to accomplish by moving down the pitch - certainly not stealing a run.
It was out under the letter of the law. But surely the stumping rule was introduced so that the batsmen can't get the advantage of going down the pitch to a delivery without incurring some risk; it wasn't intended to allow a sneaky a dismissal when the batman wrongly thought the over had been called.
How do you think Carey should have been able to stump Bairstow, given that he wasn't able to stand up owing to the fact that Green was bowling short pitched deliveries making it unwise to do so? What you say is the same thing as saying that Carey shouldn't have been able to stump Bairstow under any circumstances just because he was standing back.
Anyone who says what Carey did was wrong is implicitly calling for a new rule of cricket stating that "A batsman cannot be stumped by the wicket keeper if the latter is standing back from the stumps".
Er no. The stumping rule was surely introduced for the following reason: it's massively advantageous to the batsman if he can stride down the pitch and hit the ball on the full-toss or before it has the chance to spin etc. Therefore, to counter a batsman doing this with impunity, the stumping rule was introduced: if he does leave his crease, then he has to be able to hit the ball; if he misses it (and therefore demonstrates insufficient skill) then the whole stumping thing can kick in. None of that applied to the Bairstow business.
Just caught the clip of Bairstow being run out and it's funnier than I imagined. They way the keeper threw at the stumps straight away, knowing ginge would wander off. The crowd booing because they're thick as shit. The blank confusion on Bairstow's face.
They pulled his trousers down and spanked his arse in broad daylight. Amazing.
This is a first on PB. I agree with Farooq. (Maybe the fact I used to be a wicket keeper myself has something to do with it).
Just caught the clip of Bairstow being run out and it's funnier than I imagined. They way the keeper threw at the stumps straight away, knowing ginge would wander off. The crowd booing because they're thick as shit. The blank confusion on Bairstow's face.
They pulled his trousers down and spanked his arse in broad daylight. Amazing.
It worked because they knew he went walkabout AT THE END OF THE OVER.
Hence the reason it was unsporting behaviour. The Long Room were absolutely right to boo them for it. They brought the game into disrepute.
Just caught the clip of Bairstow being run out and it's funnier than I imagined. They way the keeper threw at the stumps straight away, knowing ginge would wander off. The crowd booing because they're thick as shit. The blank confusion on Bairstow's face.
They pulled his trousers down and spanked his arse in broad daylight. Amazing.
It worked because they knew he went walkabout AT THE END OF THE OVER.
Hence the reason it was unsporting behaviour. The Long Room were absolutely right to boo them for it. They brought the game into disrepute.
But I don't think it was just at the end of the over. He did it during overs as well. And Carey threw the ball immediately, as fast as he possibly could have.
From Jonathan Agnew's match report:
"Bairstow had gone on the same wander down the pitch after each of the previous three balls"
Just caught the clip of Bairstow being run out and it's funnier than I imagined. They way the keeper threw at the stumps straight away, knowing ginge would wander off. The crowd booing because they're thick as shit. The blank confusion on Bairstow's face.
They pulled his trousers down and spanked his arse in broad daylight. Amazing.
It worked because they knew he went walkabout AT THE END OF THE OVER.
Hence the reason it was unsporting behaviour. The Long Room were absolutely right to boo them for it. They brought the game into disrepute.
But I don't think it was just at the end of the over. He did it during overs as well. And Carey threw the ball immediately, as fast as he possibly could have.
I think we all agree it was within the laws. But it was a wicket taken, at a crucial stage of the match and in the series, not by any sporting superiority but through a technicality.
Just caught the clip of Bairstow being run out and it's funnier than I imagined. They way the keeper threw at the stumps straight away, knowing ginge would wander off. The crowd booing because they're thick as shit. The blank confusion on Bairstow's face.
They pulled his trousers down and spanked his arse in broad daylight. Amazing.
It worked because they knew he went walkabout AT THE END OF THE OVER.
Hence the reason it was unsporting behaviour. The Long Room were absolutely right to boo them for it. They brought the game into disrepute.
But I don't think it was just at the end of the over. He did it during overs as well. And Carey threw the ball immediately, as fast as he possibly could have.
From Jonathan Agnew's match report:
"Bairstow had gone on the same wander down the pitch after each of the previous three balls"
I didn't think 'wandering down the pitch' was a crucial consideration within the game of cricket - I thought it was all about batsmen hitting balls delivered by bowlers. But if that's how it's now going ...
Just caught the clip of Bairstow being run out and it's funnier than I imagined. They way the keeper threw at the stumps straight away, knowing ginge would wander off. The crowd booing because they're thick as shit. The blank confusion on Bairstow's face.
They pulled his trousers down and spanked his arse in broad daylight. Amazing.
It worked because they knew he went walkabout AT THE END OF THE OVER.
Hence the reason it was unsporting behaviour. The Long Room were absolutely right to boo them for it. They brought the game into disrepute.
But I don't think it was just at the end of the over. He did it during overs as well. And Carey threw the ball immediately, as fast as he possibly could have.
From Jonathan Agnew's match report:
"Bairstow had gone on the same wander down the pitch after each of the previous three balls"
Still makes no difference. In fact it makes it worse. It is clear on each occasion he was doing it after the ball was considered dead. He even tapped his crease which made it clear it was not part of any movement in response to the delivery.
Regarding a possible Tamworth by-election, the Tories have a serious organisational problem if there is one. Because they've just selected current MP for Walsall North, Eddie Hughes, as candidate for Tamworth at the next general election, since Walsall North is being abolished in boundary changes. But obviously such a move by Eddie Hughes only works in a general election context. He can't move to Tamworth for a by-election without causing a by-election in Walsall North. Bit of a headache for the Tories.
"Proper media is for more sensible reporting of something that did happen."
But they don't do that either. They are just pitifully slow, and when they do report, it is with lazy bias and a lack of nous
Exactly, they sit in this awkward middle ground of being neither quick enough to tell you what is happening now, or slow enough to dispense with immediacy and take a considered view after the fact.
It's really a very difficult problem for news channels and news shows. Probably they should spend less on news, and more on documentaries.
I honestly think news reporting was a lot better when there was less of it, and the main news show was late in the day, and often bookended with current affairs documentaries.
Yes, I entirely agree
Their job in reporting "news" in the moment is over. Social media does it so much faster. albeit with flaws. But nothing can match its instant speed
Legacy news needs to move to slower and considered analysis, or indeed political polemics (which should be allowed on all sides in a healthy polity)
I think you're underplaying the "flaws". Last week I heard the Putin was in St Petersburg, Putin was fleeing east, Putin was in a bunker, Putin had been detained, Putin was dead. I heard Lukashenko was in Turkey, in Moscow, was also dead, was now taking over a new Russia-Belorussian union. I heard it was a coup, a revolution, a trap, a feint, an insurrection, a fiction, a CIA plot. I heard Wagner were already in Moscow and that they hadn't even left Rostov. I heard the Wagner column was bombed, was attacked by civilians, was cheered by civilians, and, again for emphasis, didn't exist.
That's not "flaws". That's epistemological anarchy.
That's what Bayes Theorem is for.
For example, the only person saying Lukashenko was poised to lead a new Russia-Belorussian union was the one poster we have on here with a weird obsession about Lukashenko. So it's quite easy to assign a very low probability to that possibility. You can do the same to all the other possible events on your list on the basis of the reliability of the source for the information, whether it was from more than one source, came with any video or photographic evidence, etc.
Now all that takes a bit more effort than blindly ingesting the assessment of a BBC correspondent, so you're only going to do it for something you're particularly interested in. and You will make mistakes, same as the BBC correspondent will.
Lukashenia is already the President of the Russian-Belarusian joint union and has been for some time. Indeed it was in that capacity that he came to Moscow to broker the deal. His family did indeed fly to Turkey.
11:16: "You are my lucky star. Lucky lucky lucky star...".
11:18: "Final report of the USS Nostromo..."
11:19: "This is Ripley, last survivor of the Nostromo, signing off...". The music rolls, as does the credits. The end
Got rather tends there at the end.
The music is odd. It's not a big rousing score like John Williams or Jerry Goldsmith, more a small spooky score, something that wouldn't be out of place in Planet Of The Apes or an episode of UFO. There's nothing wrong with it, but it's very period specific. But apart from that it's damn nearly timeless. The early computer graphics - if you can even call them that - famously get reused in Blade Runner. It invented all the clichés: sirens, alarms, Big Gothic Spaceship, "ten seconds to self-destruct", corridors with walls made out of perforated plastic, lighting from behind the walls, pull-away panels enabling immersive sets, gusts of carbon dioxide(?) to add atmosphere. There's only seven people in the cast. The set design is brilliant, and every time the effects are a bit dodgy, just pump more smoke into the studio. Three years later he did Blade Runner. Damn.
Is it the first time you've seen it ?
I watched it a couple of years ago, and found it much slower than I remembered, and slightly showing its age.
When it first came out, genuinely scarey. Back then, Alien and Bladerunner were a new world. The dystopias seem almost comfortable now, so widely adopted the tropes.
China's new espionage law make detention of foreign journalists (and everyone else) likely for carrying out ordinary journalism. Just as Russia does.
https://m.koreatimes.co.kr/pages/article.asp?newsIdx=354045 ...Analysts view that ambiguous clauses of the new bill provides plenty of excuses for China to wrongfully accuse foreign nationals it dislikes, adding risks to bilateral relations between Seoul and Beijing that have been on thin ice in recent months.
Compared to the previous anti-spy law which defined espionage as covering "state secrets and intelligence," the amended law ― which came into effect from Saturday ― more broadly views spying as accessing "any documents, data, materials and items related to national security and interests," as well as cyberattacks against state organizations or critical information infrastructure.
But the new law does not define specifically what falls under China's national security or interests.
Moreover, the new bill grants extensive investigative power to Chinese national security agencies, which now have the authority to gain access to data and information on personal property such as smartphones and laptops.
The law also allows the authorities to impose exit bans on any suspected individual ― regardless of their nationality ― if they are deemed a potential national security risk if they leave China...
Just caught the clip of Bairstow being run out and it's funnier than I imagined. They way the keeper threw at the stumps straight away, knowing ginge would wander off. The crowd booing because they're thick as shit. The blank confusion on Bairstow's face.
They pulled his trousers down and spanked his arse in broad daylight. Amazing.
This is a first on PB. I agree with Farooq. (Maybe the fact I used to be a wicket keeper myself has something to do with it).
Me too.
It wasn't very sporting but Bairstow ought to know better than to wander out of his crease when he wasn't sure the ball was dead.
I remember the lesson from my boxing days that you had to protect yourself at all times. It's much the same in cricket. You have to remain aware in case the fielder tries something like that. Mostly they don't, but if they do you can hardly complain.
"Proper media is for more sensible reporting of something that did happen."
But they don't do that either. They are just pitifully slow, and when they do report, it is with lazy bias and a lack of nous
Exactly, they sit in this awkward middle ground of being neither quick enough to tell you what is happening now, or slow enough to dispense with immediacy and take a considered view after the fact.
It's really a very difficult problem for news channels and news shows. Probably they should spend less on news, and more on documentaries.
I honestly think news reporting was a lot better when there was less of it, and the main news show was late in the day, and often bookended with current affairs documentaries.
Yes, I entirely agree
Their job in reporting "news" in the moment is over. Social media does it so much faster. albeit with flaws. But nothing can match its instant speed
Legacy news needs to move to slower and considered analysis, or indeed political polemics (which should be allowed on all sides in a healthy polity)
I think you're underplaying the "flaws". Last week I heard the Putin was in St Petersburg, Putin was fleeing east, Putin was in a bunker, Putin had been detained, Putin was dead. I heard Lukashenko was in Turkey, in Moscow, was also dead, was now taking over a new Russia-Belorussian union. I heard it was a coup, a revolution, a trap, a feint, an insurrection, a fiction, a CIA plot. I heard Wagner were already in Moscow and that they hadn't even left Rostov. I heard the Wagner column was bombed, was attacked by civilians, was cheered by civilians, and, again for emphasis, didn't exist.
That's not "flaws". That's epistemological anarchy.
That's, either you're following the wrong people or you clicked the "For you" tab. Never click the "for you" tab.
"Proper media is for more sensible reporting of something that did happen."
But they don't do that either. They are just pitifully slow, and when they do report, it is with lazy bias and a lack of nous
Exactly, they sit in this awkward middle ground of being neither quick enough to tell you what is happening now, or slow enough to dispense with immediacy and take a considered view after the fact.
It's really a very difficult problem for news channels and news shows. Probably they should spend less on news, and more on documentaries.
I honestly think news reporting was a lot better when there was less of it, and the main news show was late in the day, and often bookended with current affairs documentaries.
Yes, I entirely agree
Their job in reporting "news" in the moment is over. Social media does it so much faster. albeit with flaws. But nothing can match its instant speed
Legacy news needs to move to slower and considered analysis, or indeed political polemics (which should be allowed on all sides in a healthy polity)
I think you're underplaying the "flaws". Last week I heard the Putin was in St Petersburg, Putin was fleeing east, Putin was in a bunker, Putin had been detained, Putin was dead. I heard Lukashenko was in Turkey, in Moscow, was also dead, was now taking over a new Russia-Belorussian union. I heard it was a coup, a revolution, a trap, a feint, an insurrection, a fiction, a CIA plot. I heard Wagner were already in Moscow and that they hadn't even left Rostov. I heard the Wagner column was bombed, was attacked by civilians, was cheered by civilians, and, again for emphasis, didn't exist.
That's not "flaws". That's epistemological anarchy.
That's, either you're following the wrong people or you clicked the "For you" tab. Never click the "for you" tab.
Perhaps he was referring more to PB which grasped all those possibilities for its portfolio.
Any Scottish independence referendum should give Orkney and the Shetlands an escape clause.
As in, escape to Norway?
Many in Scotland complained of being dragged out of the EU against their will. Likewise, the people of O&S should not be dragged out of the UK against their will, should Scotland vote for independence. In that eventuality, they should be given the option to stay in the UK or to chart another path separate to the rest of Scotland.
Just Orkney and Shetland? No other parts that might be given the same clause?
The Scottish nationalists argue that Scotland has a historical identity that means it should get a special status in a way, that, say Cumbria doesn’t. O&S have a historical identity that warrant a special status in a different way to the rest of Scotland.
Any Scottish independence referendum should give Orkney and the Shetlands an escape clause.
As in, escape to Norway?
Many in Scotland complained of being dragged out of the EU against their will. Likewise, the people of O&S should not be dragged out of the UK against their will, should Scotland vote for independence. In that eventuality, they should be given the option to stay in the UK or to chart another path separate to the rest of Scotland.
Norway is already outside the EU.
So…? This isn’t about the EU. It’s about whether any sub-parts of a nation should get special treatment in a national referendum. Many in Scotland feel Scotland should in the Brexit referendum. I suggest that O&S should in a Scottish independence referendum.
Any Scottish independence referendum should give Orkney and the Shetlands an escape clause.
As in, escape to Norway?
Many in Scotland complained of being dragged out of the EU against their will. Likewise, the people of O&S should not be dragged out of the UK against their will, should Scotland vote for independence. In that eventuality, they should be given the option to stay in the UK or to chart another path separate to the rest of Scotland.
Just Orkney and Shetland? No other parts that might be given the same clause?
Curious how many folk feel able to Unionsplain on behalf of bits where - so far as I know - they have no vote or citizenship, actual or potential.
Many in Edinburgh and Glasgow feel they can define what Scotland means. Many in London and Manchester feel they can define what the United Kingdom mean. I suggest that the people of O&S should get to decide their own future based on their own historical separate identity.
Just caught the clip of Bairstow being run out and it's funnier than I imagined. They way the keeper threw at the stumps straight away, knowing ginge would wander off. The crowd booing because they're thick as shit. The blank confusion on Bairstow's face.
They pulled his trousers down and spanked his arse in broad daylight. Amazing.
That's disappointing from you - didn't have you down as a sporting anglo-phobe.
I'm not always. I loved England's win in 2005. But I was always rooting for this Australia over this England, and today's shenanigans really tickled me.
Yeah but I saw Ben Stokes hit arguably the greatest Test innings ever seen in England. In an ashes match. On the last day at Lord’s (which is, I’ve realised, my nearest cricket pitch)
A mere loss to some Aussie gamesmanship is nothing compared to that. It is genuinely something I will cherish to my dying moment
Like seeing Led Zep play live in the Marquee in 1971. Like seeing a young Olivier play Hamlet at the Old Vic. Like watching Zhukov giving orders in the black ruins of Stalingrad
Actually, of course, that wasn't comparable with Stokes because it was nowhere near resulting in a win, but was still awesome to behold - in the crowd quite frightening in the way he was hitting some of those balls.
Flintoff at his best was genius
A notch below Stokes, I’d say, coz Stokes is also an incredible captain
But close
Better bowler. A genuine quick. For a short while one of the world's best.
Any Scottish independence referendum should give Orkney and the Shetlands an escape clause.
As in, escape to Norway?
Many in Scotland complained of being dragged out of the EU against their will. Likewise, the people of O&S should not be dragged out of the UK against their will, should Scotland vote for independence. In that eventuality, they should be given the option to stay in the UK or to chart another path separate to the rest of Scotland.
Just Orkney and Shetland? No other parts that might be given the same clause?
Curious how many folk feel able to Unionsplain on behalf of bits where - so far as I know - they have no vote or citizenship, actual or potential.
Many in Edinburgh and Glasgow feel they can define what Scotland means. Many in London and Manchester feel they can define what the United Kingdom mean. I suggest that the people of O&S should get to decide their own future based on their own historical separate identity.
I suggest Orkney and Shetland already have separate identities from each other and may have separate ambitions for their futures, particularly considering their different relationships with future oil reserves. Great that you're on board with people(s) having autonomy over deciding their constitutional futures, look forward to your support in pushing that principle with whichever Unionist party you vote for.
This is a me too movement I can definitely join. Don't wander about until the ball is dead.
You are ignoring rule 30, regarding runouts.
30.1.2 However, a batter shall not be considered to be out of his/her ground if, in running or diving towards his/her ground and beyond, and having grounded some part of his/her person or bat beyond the popping crease, there is subsequent loss of contact between the ground and any part of his/her person or bat, or between the bat and person.
Bairstow could correctly argue he had set off on a run, and returned to his ground - he even turned round to check he had.
Any Scottish independence referendum should give Orkney and the Shetlands an escape clause.
As in, escape to Norway?
Many in Scotland complained of being dragged out of the EU against their will. Likewise, the people of O&S should not be dragged out of the UK against their will, should Scotland vote for independence. In that eventuality, they should be given the option to stay in the UK or to chart another path separate to the rest of Scotland.
Just Orkney and Shetland? No other parts that might be given the same clause?
Curious how many folk feel able to Unionsplain on behalf of bits where - so far as I know - they have no vote or citizenship, actual or potential.
Many in Edinburgh and Glasgow feel they can define what Scotland means. Many in London and Manchester feel they can define what the United Kingdom mean. I suggest that the people of O&S should get to decide their own future based on their own historical separate identity.
I suggest Orkney and Shetland already have separate identities from each other and may have separate ambitions for their futures, particularly considering their different relationships with future oil reserves. Great that you're on board with people(s) having autonomy over deciding their constitutional futures, look forward to your support in pushing that principle with whichever Unionist party you vote for.
Happy for Orkney and Shetland to get separate plebiscites.
I always believe people should get to decide their own futures.
This is a me too movement I can definitely join. Don't wander about until the ball is dead.
You are ignoring rule 30, regarding runouts.
30.1.2 However, a batter shall not be considered to be out of his/her ground if, in running or diving towards his/her ground and beyond, and having grounded some part of his/her person or bat beyond the popping crease, there is subsequent loss of contact between the ground and any part of his/her person or bat, or between the bat and person.
Bairstow could correctly argue he had set off on a run, and returned to his ground - he even turned round to check he had.
This is a me too movement I can definitely join. Don't wander about until the ball is dead.
You are ignoring rule 30, regarding runouts.
30.1.2 However, a batter shall not be considered to be out of his/her ground if, in running or diving towards his/her ground and beyond, and having grounded some part of his/her person or bat beyond the popping crease, there is subsequent loss of contact between the ground and any part of his/her person or bat, or between the bat and person.
Bairstow could correctly argue he had set off on a run, and returned to his ground - he even turned round to check he had.
Unsportsmanlike appeal, and poor umpiring, IMO.
But he wasn't run out. He was stumped.
He was ruled to have been stumped, incorrectly in my view, as I explained.
An essay by the Ukrainian writer killed in the Russian bombing of the pizzeria last week. A Russian speaker, as she explains in the piece.
https://iwpcollections.squarespace.com/victoria-amelina ...As a Czech writer and one of the leading figures of the Prague Spring, Milan Kundera deeply understood what the brave Hungarian had meant, in Budapest in 1956, by dying for Europe. As a Ukrainian writer in Kyiv in 2022, I can’t stop thinking about the essay written in 1983 by the Czech author, in exile after the Prague Spring failed in 1968.
We, Central Europeans, are ready to fight for Europe, even if at times our love may be unrequited. This readiness to die for Europe despite its betrayal and indifference is what makes us Central Europeans in the first place, be it in 1956, 1968, or 2014.
"We are going to die for Hungary and for Europe," said the Hungarian News Agency director, but Europe didn't come to his country's rescue. It also didn't come to the Czechs’ rescue during Prague Spring in 1968, or the Ukrainians in 2014. If being a Central European is to be betrayed by Europe, Ukraine is certainly a member of the club.
However, when Russia started the full-scale invasion of Ukraine in February 2022, Europe did take Ukrainians in and accepted us unconditionally...
Just caught the clip of Bairstow being run out and it's funnier than I imagined. They way the keeper threw at the stumps straight away, knowing ginge would wander off. The crowd booing because they're thick as shit. The blank confusion on Bairstow's face.
They pulled his trousers down and spanked his arse in broad daylight. Amazing.
It was very well timed. If the keeper had held onto it even for a second or two, or Bairstow a little slower in setting off, it would not have worked, yet the throw came at the precise moment needed.
It was perhaps the most perfect thing I've seen on a cricket pitch. 🇳🇿
This is a me too movement I can definitely join. Don't wander about until the ball is dead.
You are ignoring rule 30, regarding runouts.
30.1.2 However, a batter shall not be considered to be out of his/her ground if, in running or diving towards his/her ground and beyond, and having grounded some part of his/her person or bat beyond the popping crease, there is subsequent loss of contact between the ground and any part of his/her person or bat, or between the bat and person.
Bairstow could correctly argue he had set off on a run, and returned to his ground - he even turned round to check he had.
Unsportsmanlike appeal, and poor umpiring, IMO.
But he wasn't run out. He was stumped.
He was ruled to have been stumped, incorrectly in my view, as I explained.
You can't be stumped if you've commenced a run.
It was a bloody slow "run".
The man screwed up, that is all. Thought the ball was dead, it was not.
For all that I hear wailing and gnashing about the aussies for being cads, it felt more like it was the England fans / MCC morons who were behaving badly. Hence the MCC having to apologise to the aussies for the behaviour of their members.
This is sport. Sometimes you get lucky, sometimes unlucky. England won the world cup by a freak accident right at the end against NZ. In the rules even if unfair from a sporting perspective. The result stands and nobody here thinks it shouldn't. Until the result goes against you then its Hell On Earth.
An essay by the Ukrainian writer killed in the Russian bombing of the pizzeria last week. A Russian speaker, as she explains in the piece.
https://iwpcollections.squarespace.com/victoria-amelina ...As a Czech writer and one of the leading figures of the Prague Spring, Milan Kundera deeply understood what the brave Hungarian had meant, in Budapest in 1956, by dying for Europe. As a Ukrainian writer in Kyiv in 2022, I can’t stop thinking about the essay written in 1983 by the Czech author, in exile after the Prague Spring failed in 1968.
We, Central Europeans, are ready to fight for Europe, even if at times our love may be unrequited. This readiness to die for Europe despite its betrayal and indifference is what makes us Central Europeans in the first place, be it in 1956, 1968, or 2014.
"We are going to die for Hungary and for Europe," said the Hungarian News Agency director, but Europe didn't come to his country's rescue. It also didn't come to the Czechs’ rescue during Prague Spring in 1968, or the Ukrainians in 2014. If being a Central European is to be betrayed by Europe, Ukraine is certainly a member of the club.
However, when Russia started the full-scale invasion of Ukraine in February 2022, Europe did take Ukrainians in and accepted us unconditionally...
Next time Russia claims to act on behalf of Russian speakers in Ukraine, remember the words of the writer they murdered. ...At the contest in Moscow I met kids from all those countries Russia would later try to invade or assimilate: Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, Kazakhstan, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Georgia, and Moldova. The Russian Federation invested a lot of money in raising children like us from the "former Soviet republics" as Russians. They probably invested more in us than they did in the education of children in rural Russia: those who were already conquered didn't need to be tempted with summer camps and excursions to the Red Square.
Hopefully I will have turned out to be one of the worst investments of the Russian Federation.
In Moscow, a famous journalist from ORT, a top Russian TV channel at the time, approached me for an interview on the evening news. I was flattered and almost felt like a star. The journalist started with a polite question about how I liked the event and the Russian capital, but quickly moved on to her real agenda. She said that we all know Russian speakers are oppressed, and then invited me to participate in the propaganda: "How oppressed do you feel as a Russian speaker in the west of Ukraine? How dangerous is it to speak Russian on the streets of your hometown, Lviv?"
I gasped as I realized that I wasn't a star at all; I was just being used to manipulate millions of evening news viewers. The huge camera was watching me and a big, professional microphone was in front of me for the first time in my life. I was only fifteen years-old. But in that split second, I had to figure out once and for all where the borders of my home were. I wasn't Russian, after all–I was a Ukrainian kid brought to Moscow to reinforce certain Russian narratives. I may have believed that Russia was a great country with peace at its core, but I only felt that way because of watching the very channel that was now trying to manipulate an inexperienced fifteen-year-old like me...
Any Scottish independence referendum should give Orkney and the Shetlands an escape clause.
As in, escape to Norway?
Many in Scotland complained of being dragged out of the EU against their will. Likewise, the people of O&S should not be dragged out of the UK against their will, should Scotland vote for independence. In that eventuality, they should be given the option to stay in the UK or to chart another path separate to the rest of Scotland.
Just Orkney and Shetland? No other parts that might be given the same clause?
The Scottish nationalists argue that Scotland has a historical identity that means it should get a special status in a way, that, say Cumbria doesn’t. O&S have a historical identity that warrant a special status in a different way to the rest of Scotland.
Given that Scotland does have a legal and national identity *at present* that is a distinct misapprehension. That reflects history, but does not directly depend on a historical identity.
Illogical for you to demand that a referendum for independence for Scotland includes the instant breakup of the new state. Also illogical for youy to demand that voters vote on a second order event when they don't know the result of the first one. Makes much more sense for Orcadians to vote on their own independence when they see what the landscape is like, which is fine with me. And "Britain" does have a history of trying to sabotage independence by Partition, which is what you sound like, rightly or wrongly.
The Orkney complaints, in any case, seem to centre on the current situation and are not to do with independence for Scotland per se. They seem to centre in part on the fact that the Shetlanders are getting more money. Presumably this reflects the relative deals struck by the then local authorities and the oil companies etc., and I can't see that the Shetlanders can be blamed for getting more oil/money in their areas.
Any Scottish independence referendum should give Orkney and the Shetlands an escape clause.
As in, escape to Norway?
Many in Scotland complained of being dragged out of the EU against their will. Likewise, the people of O&S should not be dragged out of the UK against their will, should Scotland vote for independence. In that eventuality, they should be given the option to stay in the UK or to chart another path separate to the rest of Scotland.
Just Orkney and Shetland? No other parts that might be given the same clause?
The Scottish nationalists argue that Scotland has a historical identity that means it should get a special status in a way, that, say Cumbria doesn’t. O&S have a historical identity that warrant a special status in a different way to the rest of Scotland.
Given that Scotland does have a legal and national identity *at present* that is a distinct misapprehension. That reflects history, but does not directly depend on a historical identity.
Illogical for you to demand that a referendum for independence for Scotland includes the instant breakup of the new state. Also illogical for youy to demand that voters vote on a second order event when they don't know the result of the first one. Makes much more sense for Orcadians to vote on their own independence when they see what the landscape is like, which is fine with me. And "Britain" does have a history of trying to sabotage independence by Partition, which is what you sound like, rightly or wrongly.
The Orkney complaints, in any case, seem to centre on the current situation and are not to do with independence for Scotland per se. They seem to centre in part on the fact that the Shetlanders are getting more money. Presumably this reflects the relative deals struck by the then local authorities and the oil companies etc., and I can't see that the Shetlanders can be blamed for getting more oil/money in their areas.
I was only suggesting an Orkney vote *after* a successful Scottish independence vote, so I think that means we are in agreement.
Yes, Britain (including England and Scotland) has sought to sabotage independence movements. I think there’s a limit to the applicability of the history of the disassembling of a colonial Empire to the history of England and Scotland’s relationship.
Just caught the clip of Bairstow being run out and it's funnier than I imagined. They way the keeper threw at the stumps straight away, knowing ginge would wander off. The crowd booing because they're thick as shit. The blank confusion on Bairstow's face.
They pulled his trousers down and spanked his arse in broad daylight. Amazing.
It was very well timed. If the keeper had held onto it even for a second or two, or Bairstow a little slower in setting off, it would not have worked, yet the throw came at the precise moment needed.
It was perhaps the most perfect thing I've seen on a cricket pitch. 🇳🇿
This is a me too movement I can definitely join. Don't wander about until the ball is dead.
You are ignoring rule 30, regarding runouts.
30.1.2 However, a batter shall not be considered to be out of his/her ground if, in running or diving towards his/her ground and beyond, and having grounded some part of his/her person or bat beyond the popping crease, there is subsequent loss of contact between the ground and any part of his/her person or bat, or between the bat and person.
Bairstow could correctly argue he had set off on a run, and returned to his ground - he even turned round to check he had.
Unsportsmanlike appeal, and poor umpiring, IMO.
But he wasn't run out. He was stumped.
He was ruled to have been stumped, incorrectly in my view, as I explained.
You can't be stumped if you've commenced a run.
It was a bloody slow "run".
The man screwed up, that is all. Thought the ball was dead, it was not.
For all that I hear wailing and gnashing about the aussies for being cads, it felt more like it was the England fans / MCC morons who were behaving badly. Hence the MCC having to apologise to the aussies for the behaviour of their members.
This is sport. Sometimes you get lucky, sometimes unlucky. England won the world cup by a freak accident right at the end against NZ. In the rules even if unfair from a sporting perspective. The result stands and nobody here thinks it shouldn't. Until the result goes against you then its Hell On Earth.
There's no challenging the umpire's ruling. But it's perfectly fair to say that it was incorrect. And there's no rule about how quickly you need to run.
And yes, it's sport - bad sportsmen are not uncommon.
Just caught the clip of Bairstow being run out and it's funnier than I imagined. They way the keeper threw at the stumps straight away, knowing ginge would wander off. The crowd booing because they're thick as shit. The blank confusion on Bairstow's face.
They pulled his trousers down and spanked his arse in broad daylight. Amazing.
Rubbish. The umpire behaved as if it was over. Bairstow believed it was over. The Aussies showed how low they are prepared to go to win yet again. Never forget sandpaper. SANDPAPER. bunch of cheating xxxxx xxxx xxx xxxxs…
Any Scottish independence referendum should give Orkney and the Shetlands an escape clause.
As in, escape to Norway?
Many in Scotland complained of being dragged out of the EU against their will. Likewise, the people of O&S should not be dragged out of the UK against their will, should Scotland vote for independence. In that eventuality, they should be given the option to stay in the UK or to chart another path separate to the rest of Scotland.
Just Orkney and Shetland? No other parts that might be given the same clause?
The Scottish nationalists argue that Scotland has a historical identity that means it should get a special status in a way, that, say Cumbria doesn’t. O&S have a historical identity that warrant a special status in a different way to the rest of Scotland.
Given that Scotland does have a legal and national identity *at present* that is a distinct misapprehension. That reflects history, but does not directly depend on a historical identity.
Illogical for you to demand that a referendum for independence for Scotland includes the instant breakup of the new state. Also illogical for youy to demand that voters vote on a second order event when they don't know the result of the first one. Makes much more sense for Orcadians to vote on their own independence when they see what the landscape is like, which is fine with me. And "Britain" does have a history of trying to sabotage independence by Partition, which is what you sound like, rightly or wrongly.
The Orkney complaints, in any case, seem to centre on the current situation and are not to do with independence for Scotland per se. They seem to centre in part on the fact that the Shetlanders are getting more money. Presumably this reflects the relative deals struck by the then local authorities and the oil companies etc., and I can't see that the Shetlanders can be blamed for getting more oil/money in their areas.
I was only suggesting an Orkney vote *after* a successful Scottish independence vote, so I think that means we are in agreement.
Yes, Britain (including England and Scotland) has sought to sabotage independence movements. I think there’s a limit to the applicability of the history of the disassembling of a colonial Empire to the history of England and Scotland’s relationship.
Indeed, we agree. But on the latter point, many a unionist instantly responds to indyref2 by proposing partition (e.g. PB passim). So it's still applicable in the semse of very much part of the universe of discourse.
Just caught the clip of Bairstow being run out and it's funnier than I imagined. They way the keeper threw at the stumps straight away, knowing ginge would wander off. The crowd booing because they're thick as shit. The blank confusion on Bairstow's face.
They pulled his trousers down and spanked his arse in broad daylight. Amazing.
Rubbish. The umpire behaved as if it was over. Bairstow believed it was over. The Aussies showed how low they are prepared to go to win yet again. Never forget sandpaper. SANDPAPER. bunch of cheating xxxxx xxxx xxx xxxxs…
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https://www.ecb.co.uk/news/3564755
This is, by the by, why you ain't getting a 2nd referendum. Because the entire UK decides what is best for the UK, not you stupid smelly Nats
They pulled his trousers down and spanked his arse in broad daylight. Amazing.
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The cheapest of cheap shots.
This video shows young supporters of Lyon out on the streets in the city tonight.
Vigilantism is on the rise in France.
https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1675613946751991808?s=20
But I was always rooting for this Australia over this England, and today's shenanigans really tickled me.
A mere loss to some Aussie gamesmanship is nothing compared to that. It is genuinely something I will cherish to my dying moment
Like seeing Led Zep play live in the Marquee in 1971. Like seeing a young Olivier play Hamlet at the Old Vic. Like watching Zhukov giving orders in the black ruins of Stalingrad
I WAS THERE
If England play Hungary in the football I'll support England. If they play Italy, I'll support Italy.
England's just another country which I like and dislike depending on who's on the field. It's how most people feel about most countries other than their own, I think.
https://www.lords.org/lords/our-history/honours-boards/a-flintoff/142
Actually, of course, that wasn't comparable with Stokes because it was nowhere near resulting in a win, but was still awesome to behold - in the crowd quite frightening in the way he was hitting some of those balls.
Scott has made three or four of the greatest movies of all time
Anyone who says what Carey did was wrong is implicitly calling for a new rule of cricket stating that "A batsman cannot be stumped by the wicket keeper if the latter is standing back from the stumps".
A notch below Stokes, I’d say, coz Stokes is also an incredible captain
But close
Day marred though by oiks in the Long Room booing and being rude to the Australian players, correctly the MCC has suspended them. How on earth they got in in the first place is beyond me, the MCC Pavilion and Long Room is supposed to be exclusive for those who know how to behave ie posh by manners not just with money. Much like the Royal Box at Wimbledon or the Royal Enclosure at Ascot
For example, the only person saying Lukashenko was poised to lead a new Russia-Belorussian union was the one poster we have on here with a weird obsession about Lukashenko. So it's quite easy to assign a very low probability to that possibility. You can do the same to all the other possible events on your list on the basis of the reliability of the source for the information, whether it was from more than one source, came with any video or photographic evidence, etc.
Now all that takes a bit more effort than blindly ingesting the assessment of a BBC correspondent, so you're only going to do it for something you're particularly interested in. and You will make mistakes, same as the BBC correspondent will.
Hence the reason it was unsporting behaviour. The Long Room were absolutely right to boo them for it. They brought the game into disrepute.
From Jonathan Agnew's match report:
"Bairstow had gone on the same wander down the pitch after each of the previous three balls"
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/66082593
https://www.tagesschau.de/inland/regional/sachsenanhalt/stichwahl-in-raguhn-jessnitz-100.html
https://twitter.com/MorawieckiM/status/1674855346387537920
I watched it a couple of years ago, and found it much slower than I remembered, and slightly showing its age.
When it first came out, genuinely scarey.
Back then, Alien and Bladerunner were a new world. The dystopias seem almost comfortable now, so widely adopted the tropes.
https://m.koreatimes.co.kr/pages/article.asp?newsIdx=354045
...Analysts view that ambiguous clauses of the new bill provides plenty of excuses for China to wrongfully accuse foreign nationals it dislikes, adding risks to bilateral relations between Seoul and Beijing that have been on thin ice in recent months.
Compared to the previous anti-spy law which defined espionage as covering "state secrets and intelligence," the amended law ― which came into effect from Saturday ― more broadly views spying as accessing "any documents, data, materials and items related to national security and interests," as well as cyberattacks against state organizations or critical information infrastructure.
But the new law does not define specifically what falls under China's national security or interests.
Moreover, the new bill grants extensive investigative power to Chinese national security agencies, which now have the authority to gain access to data and information on personal property such as smartphones and laptops.
The law also allows the authorities to impose exit bans on any suspected individual ― regardless of their nationality ― if they are deemed a potential national security risk if they leave China...
It wasn't very sporting but Bairstow ought to know better than to wander out of his crease when he wasn't sure the ball was dead.
I remember the lesson from my boxing days that you had to protect yourself at all times. It's much the same in cricket. You have to remain aware in case the fielder tries something like that. Mostly they don't, but if they do you can hardly complain.
Is there any other way you can be "dead from the neck up"?
A genuine quick.
For a short while one of the world's best.
30.1.2 However, a batter shall not be considered to be out of his/her ground if, in running or diving towards his/her ground and beyond, and having grounded some part of his/her person or bat beyond the popping crease, there is subsequent loss of contact between the ground and any part of his/her person or bat, or between the bat and person.
Bairstow could correctly argue he had set off on a run, and returned to his ground - he even turned round to check he had.
Unsportsmanlike appeal, and poor umpiring, IMO.
I always believe people should get to decide their own futures.
He was stumped.
Still, glad to see Bairstow has found something else to do after Blessed City, Heavenly Salem.
You can't be stumped if you've commenced a run.
A Russian speaker, as she explains in the piece.
https://iwpcollections.squarespace.com/victoria-amelina
...As a Czech writer and one of the leading figures of the Prague Spring, Milan Kundera deeply understood what the brave Hungarian had meant, in Budapest in 1956, by dying for Europe. As a Ukrainian writer in Kyiv in 2022, I can’t stop thinking about the essay written in 1983 by the Czech author, in exile after the Prague Spring failed in 1968.
We, Central Europeans, are ready to fight for Europe, even if at times our love may be unrequited. This readiness to die for Europe despite its betrayal and indifference is what makes us Central Europeans in the first place, be it in 1956, 1968, or 2014.
"We are going to die for Hungary and for Europe," said the Hungarian News Agency director, but Europe didn't come to his country's rescue. It also didn't come to the Czechs’ rescue during Prague Spring in 1968, or the Ukrainians in 2014. If being a Central European is to be betrayed by Europe, Ukraine is certainly a member of the club.
However, when Russia started the full-scale invasion of Ukraine in February 2022, Europe did take Ukrainians in and accepted us unconditionally...
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/jul/02/orkney-could-leave-uk-for-norway-as-it-explores-alternative-governance It was a bloody slow "run".
The man screwed up, that is all. Thought the ball was dead, it was not.
For all that I hear wailing and gnashing about the aussies for being cads, it felt more like it was the England fans / MCC morons who were behaving badly. Hence the MCC having to apologise to the aussies for the behaviour of their members.
This is sport. Sometimes you get lucky, sometimes unlucky. England won the world cup by a freak accident right at the end against NZ. In the rules even if unfair from a sporting perspective. The result stands and nobody here thinks it shouldn't. Until the result goes against you then its Hell On Earth.
...At the contest in Moscow I met kids from all those countries Russia would later try to invade or assimilate: Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, Kazakhstan, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Georgia, and Moldova. The Russian Federation invested a lot of money in raising children like us from the "former Soviet republics" as Russians. They probably invested more in us than they did in the education of children in rural Russia: those who were already conquered didn't need to be tempted with summer camps and excursions to the Red Square.
Hopefully I will have turned out to be one of the worst investments of the Russian Federation.
In Moscow, a famous journalist from ORT, a top Russian TV channel at the time, approached me for an interview on the evening news. I was flattered and almost felt like a star. The journalist started with a polite question about how I liked the event and the Russian capital, but quickly moved on to her real agenda. She said that we all know Russian speakers are oppressed, and then invited me to participate in the propaganda: "How oppressed do you feel as a Russian speaker in the west of Ukraine? How dangerous is it to speak Russian on the streets of your hometown, Lviv?"
I gasped as I realized that I wasn't a star at all; I was just being used to manipulate millions of evening news viewers. The huge camera was watching me and a big, professional microphone was in front of me for the first time in my life. I was only fifteen years-old. But in that split second, I had to figure out once and for all where the borders of my home were. I wasn't Russian, after all–I was a Ukrainian kid brought to Moscow to reinforce certain Russian narratives. I may have believed that Russia was a great country with peace at its core, but I only felt that way because of watching the very channel that was now trying to manipulate an inexperienced fifteen-year-old like me...
Illogical for you to demand that a referendum for independence for Scotland includes the instant breakup of the new state. Also illogical for youy to demand that voters vote on a second order event when they don't know the result of the first one. Makes much more sense for Orcadians to vote on their own independence when they see what the landscape is like, which is fine with me. And "Britain" does have a history of trying to sabotage independence by Partition, which is what you sound like, rightly or wrongly.
The Orkney complaints, in any case, seem to centre on the current situation and are not to do with independence for Scotland per se. They seem to centre in part on the fact that the Shetlanders are getting more money. Presumably this reflects the relative deals struck by the then local authorities and the oil companies etc., and I can't see that the Shetlanders can be blamed for getting more oil/money in their areas.
Yes, Britain (including England and Scotland) has sought to sabotage independence movements. I think there’s a limit to the applicability of the history of the disassembling of a colonial Empire to the history of England and Scotland’s relationship.
But it's perfectly fair to say that it was incorrect.
And there's no rule about how quickly you need to run.
And yes, it's sport - bad sportsmen are not uncommon.
Never forget sandpaper.
SANDPAPER. bunch of cheating xxxxx xxxx xxx xxxxs…