Another point (I’ll shut up about the cricket in a minute)
Stokes will argue that the Bairstow dismissal possibly cost England the game. But the Bairstow dismissal turned the crowd from a good natured boozy audience. expecting defeat, into a visceral mob of constant booing and heckling
And this visibly destabilised Australia. You could see it in their body language. Their bowling got weaker and they dropped catches etc
So paradoxically the “Aussie cheating” helped England 🤷♂️
the Aussies of course did not cheat - unlike Broad a few years ago it could be argued. The aussies appealed for a legitimate wicket (thats why he was out) , Broad did not walk despite 100% knowing he was out (and tried to decieve the umpire by his mannerisms) - I would argue both are fair to do in the modern game but please have none of this pathetic "we woz robbed by cheats " rubbish
I don’t think this is about cheating, it’s about the spirit of cricket. You can make a good case that the spirit of cricket requires batters to walk if they know they hit a ball and we’re caught. Yet arguably that’s not where the modern game is. Many batsman will try to give the impression of innocence despite knowing that they have edged the ball. Broads was odd because it was a decent edge to slip, but for some reason the umpire missed it, thought it had just turned and said not out. No DRS back then. This stumping is similar to the wierd run out a few years ago when the batter thought the ball had gone for four, the fielders gave that impression and then a run out was affected. In that game, yea intervened and the appeal was withdrawn. Was Bairstow at fault? Yes, a little. He wasn’t seeking to gain an advantage, so I don’t know why the Aussies were ‘annoyed’. It was like excessive backing up. They took their chance and it paid off. I will try to stump batsman who bat out their ground to faster bowlers, but not at the end of an over when it’s pretty clear it’s over - the standing umpire wasn’t even looking. So legal, yes. Just as the catch yesterday wasn’t a catch. Spirit of the game ? No, but it’s test cricket. Bring the rage to Headingly.
I personally do not like the crowd being whipped up in cricket (leave it to football) , Golf is not the better for the hostile atmosphere of the Ryder Cup (in fact we pride ourselves that the atmosphere is more civilised when Europe host it) . Cricket is not better when you have loutish fans
Yeah it is. Speaking as a lout who had a blast today
We could have sat there all polite watching Australia win easily. Instead 98% of the crowd went bonkers and turned the whole stadium into a seething cauldron of hate directed at Australia. Which made for intense and fantastic cricket
Jeez. People moan that Test cricket is dying - perhaps facile attitudes like yours are part of the reason?
It's just ugly. Cricket shouldn't be ugly.
Ok so you want 12 people in the “crowd” politely clapping for 5 days, and Test cricket dies. That’s the choice
It is probably already doomed to my mind (sadly, as it is the highest form of the game) - but the only way it can possibly survive, versus T20, is by dishing up high tempo super intense spectacles with big, deeply involved crowds - yes, shouting and booing and heckling - which then create a great if combative atmosphere. Like today
Today was not boring. And that’s what too many people think about cricket. Boring
I want resounding applause for the winners and polite commiserations for the losers. Entirely happy with strong disapproval for todays event, but it should be momentary. You're right though in that the intensity of the match is both great and signals the future. I've not been to an IPL game, but I'm lead to understand that the intensity can be amazing, and yet, so far as I know, the fiery rivalry mostly ends when the match is over.
Great afternoon at the National Trust, and .. er .. (sorry) .. auditing what I think is an unlawful Puffin Crossing, with the gap in the middle so narrow that a mobility scooter can't even get across the crossing.
Ironically it is only 250m from the local hospital on the active travel route for tens of thousands of people. Now to check whether Highways get an exemption from the Equality Act for pedestrian crossings, then ask them to sort it out.
Also a fantastic File on (Radio) Four about the first conviction for human trafficking for the purposes of organ donation, where a senior Nigerian politician (Senator) has received an 8.5 year prison sentence in the UK. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m001n1s4
Suella Braverman’s rhetoric about child sexual abuse and grooming gangs has cost her the support of an influential Conservative backer, Steve Baker, in a sign her hardline approach to culture war issues could hamper her chances of becoming Tory leader.
Baker, a Tory MP on the Brexiter right of the party, who is now a Northern Ireland minister, was Braverman’s de facto campaign manager when she stood to succeed Boris Johnson as Conservative leader and prime minister last summer.
While Braverman, now the home secretary, was eliminated in the second round of MPs’ voting, her candidacy was seen as a marker for a possible future contest, one likely if the Conservatives lose the next general election.
However, it is understood Baker has decided he would not back Braverman again because of serious concerns over the way she has approached the issue of so-called grooming gangs.
As Baker will almost certainly lose his marginal Wycombe seat to Labour at the general election I doubt Suella cares.
By the time she likely runs for Tory Leader of the Opposition, Baker will be a very ex MP and not even able to vote in the MP rounds
Eh? Wycombe is not a marginal seat by any standards, despite a relatively large Muslim community (which historically splits fairly evenly between Tory and Labour), it is a rock solid seat. If you lose Wycombe you lose most of the Home Counties.
Eh? Wycombe is only 43rd on the Labour target list.
Wycombe is absolutely a marginal nowadays. Last time out Baker held on by about 8%. In any sort of a Lab victory it would almost certainly fall. So if there is a post-GE vacancy then Baker probably won't be around
Indeed. Wycombe also voted 52% Remain and the Conservatives are now in only third place with Remainers with Yougov on just 13% behind Labour on 57% and the LDs on 15%.
Under various boundaries, the Tories have held the seat since 1951. While I agree that Baker´s majority fell, that is because he is not very popular personally. Even with that, losing Wycombe would still be a disastrous result. The fact that HYFUD thinks that this is a) entirely to be expected and b) a good thing, suggests that the Conservative Party is already circling the drain.
No, it is just changing demographics post Brexit.
For example in the May local elections the Tories held councils like Dartford and Harlow and Basildon and Braintree and Dudley and Wyre Forest that Blair won and areas like Torbay that the LDs won in 1997.
However the Tories no longer control lots of council areas containing parliamentary seats in the Home Counties they won in 1997. Wycombe being a Home Counties Remain seat typical of that.
The core Conservative vote now is skilled working class Leave voters and pensioners, whereas in 1997 it was the upper middle class. The latter are now swing voters post Brexit
Ï don´t think the Conservatives have a core vote any more. For more than 50 years the Tories have claimed to be the party of the strivers versus the skivers. Now... ?
Suella Braverman’s rhetoric about child sexual abuse and grooming gangs has cost her the support of an influential Conservative backer, Steve Baker, in a sign her hardline approach to culture war issues could hamper her chances of becoming Tory leader.
Baker, a Tory MP on the Brexiter right of the party, who is now a Northern Ireland minister, was Braverman’s de facto campaign manager when she stood to succeed Boris Johnson as Conservative leader and prime minister last summer.
While Braverman, now the home secretary, was eliminated in the second round of MPs’ voting, her candidacy was seen as a marker for a possible future contest, one likely if the Conservatives lose the next general election.
However, it is understood Baker has decided he would not back Braverman again because of serious concerns over the way she has approached the issue of so-called grooming gangs.
As Baker will almost certainly lose his marginal Wycombe seat to Labour at the general election I doubt Suella cares.
By the time she likely runs for Tory Leader of the Opposition, Baker will be a very ex MP and not even able to vote in the MP rounds
And that sums up you and the whole sorry story of the right and Johnson as your hero
You are actually celebrating the career end of a conservative mp
Shame on you, and go and join RefUK as that is where you and the ERG truly belong
More than one of your posts of late have celebrated what you believe will be the end of various Tory MPs' careers. Perhaps you should take some of the shame you seem so keen to dish out.
Sadly because of Johnson and your beloved Truss conservative mps across the land are facing a career ending election
The conservative party will only obtain office by moving to the centre ground (one nation conservatives) and marginalising those who have brought it into shame and disrepute
As we both know, I don't subscribe to your view of Tory politics, however, putting that aside, you just said 'Shame on you' for Hyu being casual about the demise of Baker, when you have repeatedly wished for the same thing to happen to Tory MPs who you don't care for, in far more explicit terms. That's deeply hypocritical, and perhaps you should review whether 'shame on you' is a justified statement.
I do not wish the demise of any conservative mps but sadly the party has a group of right wing devotees more suited to REfUK and are destroying the one nation conservative party I have supported and campaigned for most of my life
They are a destructive force and if any of them fail to win re-election then they have failed to convince the public they are one nation conservatives which is the only way to power
Suella Braverman’s rhetoric about child sexual abuse and grooming gangs has cost her the support of an influential Conservative backer, Steve Baker, in a sign her hardline approach to culture war issues could hamper her chances of becoming Tory leader.
Baker, a Tory MP on the Brexiter right of the party, who is now a Northern Ireland minister, was Braverman’s de facto campaign manager when she stood to succeed Boris Johnson as Conservative leader and prime minister last summer.
While Braverman, now the home secretary, was eliminated in the second round of MPs’ voting, her candidacy was seen as a marker for a possible future contest, one likely if the Conservatives lose the next general election.
However, it is understood Baker has decided he would not back Braverman again because of serious concerns over the way she has approached the issue of so-called grooming gangs.
As Baker will almost certainly lose his marginal Wycombe seat to Labour at the general election I doubt Suella cares.
By the time she likely runs for Tory Leader of the Opposition, Baker will be a very ex MP and not even able to vote in the MP rounds
And that sums up you and the whole sorry story of the right and Johnson as your hero
You are actually celebrating the career end of a conservative mp
Shame on you, and go and join RefUK as that is where you and the ERG truly belong
I first heard this said by a Labour member in the 1990s, but I'm sure the gag is older than that;
We can't chuck all the nutters out, there would be nobody left.
As I said early this morning the conservative party are in a grave position as they tear themselves apart and the country looks on in anger
The way to win elections is in the centre ground which Starmer and Reeves have claimed , while Johnson and his disciples lack of self awareness is unbelievable and frankly they are hiding in the conservative party and destroying from within like a Trojan horse when their true allegiance is with RefUK and Farage
Post GE24 if the right have their way and the disgraceful Braverman is anywhere near power, than I am political homeless as are many millions of other one nation conservatives
I am sure you could vote for Starmer as you did for Blair twice if Sunak loses the next election and a more rightwing Tory becomes leader
I most certainly will not vote for your RefUk light party, and for our country's sake I hope that common sense, decency, integrity and honesty are reestablished in time in the conservative party and you and the ERG are marginalised as per Corbyn in labour
The wets will entirely own the coming defeat.
I look forward to the next proper Tory government; when it happens it won't contain the likes of Rishi and Hunt, I suspect.
How so?
The Conservatives are in the mess they find themselves in because of Truss and Kwarteng's absurd budget which was lauded by all the moon howlers as the first truly Conservative budget in living memory.
Sunak and Hunt have done a stunning job considering what Truss left them with.
Piss off. The mini budget was masterful compared to the economic vandalism meted out by Sunak/Hunt since. The more grounded Sunak fans now acknowledge as much, and (rightly) bemoan Kwarteng/Truss's presentation of the budget not its content.
Don't be silly. Truss completely finished off the last vestiges of the Conservatives USP as being most sensible with the economy. It was just completely and utterly dumb, and it was nothing to do with it's "presentation", it was to do with the fact that that the markets all thought it was fucking insane.
The much vaunted 'markets' think that a Sunak-led economy now is a worse credit risk than a Truss-led economy at the height of the mini-budget kerfuffle. So when is Sunak resigning in disgrace?
Suella Braverman’s rhetoric about child sexual abuse and grooming gangs has cost her the support of an influential Conservative backer, Steve Baker, in a sign her hardline approach to culture war issues could hamper her chances of becoming Tory leader.
Baker, a Tory MP on the Brexiter right of the party, who is now a Northern Ireland minister, was Braverman’s de facto campaign manager when she stood to succeed Boris Johnson as Conservative leader and prime minister last summer.
While Braverman, now the home secretary, was eliminated in the second round of MPs’ voting, her candidacy was seen as a marker for a possible future contest, one likely if the Conservatives lose the next general election.
However, it is understood Baker has decided he would not back Braverman again because of serious concerns over the way she has approached the issue of so-called grooming gangs.
As Baker will almost certainly lose his marginal Wycombe seat to Labour at the general election I doubt Suella cares.
By the time she likely runs for Tory Leader of the Opposition, Baker will be a very ex MP and not even able to vote in the MP rounds
And that sums up you and the whole sorry story of the right and Johnson as your hero
You are actually celebrating the career end of a conservative mp
Shame on you, and go and join RefUK as that is where you and the ERG truly belong
I first heard this said by a Labour member in the 1990s, but I'm sure the gag is older than that;
We can't chuck all the nutters out, there would be nobody left.
As I said early this morning the conservative party are in a grave position as they tear themselves apart and the country looks on in anger
The way to win elections is in the centre ground which Starmer and Reeves have claimed , while Johnson and his disciples lack of self awareness is unbelievable and frankly they are hiding in the conservative party and destroying from within like a Trojan horse when their true allegiance is with RefUK and Farage
Post GE24 if the right have their way and the disgraceful Braverman is anywhere near power, than I am political homeless as are many millions of other one nation conservatives
I am sure you could vote for Starmer as you did for Blair twice if Sunak loses the next election and a more rightwing Tory becomes leader
I most certainly will not vote for your RefUk light party, and for our country's sake I hope that common sense, decency, integrity and honesty are reestablished in time in the conservative party and you and the ERG are marginalised as per Corbyn in labour
The wets will entirely own the coming defeat.
I look forward to the next proper Tory government; when it happens it won't contain the likes of Rishi and Hunt, I suspect.
How so?
The Conservatives are in the mess they find themselves in because of Truss and Kwarteng's absurd budget which was lauded by all the moon howlers as the first truly Conservative budget in living memory.
Sunak and Hunt have done a stunning job considering what Truss left them with.
Piss off. The mini budget was masterful compared to the economic vandalism meted out by Sunak/Hunt since. The more grounded Sunak fans now acknowledge as much, and (rightly) bemoan Kwarteng/Truss's presentation of the budget not its content.
It really wasn't. I cannot think of a single more ill-conceived thing. I suspect you like it because of the low tax ideas. I do too. However you can't just announce vast spending on a wing and a prayer. Nobody other than a complete fool announces such a thing - So Truss and Kwarteng must be classed as fools.
"England captain Ben Stokes on Sunday created history by smashing most sixes in a Test innings on English soil. The 32-year-old achieved the feat by slamming nine sixes in England's second innings in the Lord's Ashes Test."
He’s ridiculously good. I also didn’t realise that he’s physically quite big. Broad shouldered. Intimidating
A bit like rugby players. Seen on a pitch they look big, but not necessarily that big. Meet them with members of the public and they are huge.
I will never forget queuing for breakfast between Broad and Finn in Leeds. I felt like a somewhat inferior midget. These people are not only very skilled, they are astonishing athletes who work incredibly hard on their physiques. Its only when you are right beside them you really see it. Somehow, on the TV, when they are talking to each other you get the impression they are normal. They are not.
They are so fast now. Out in the field
There’s no comparison between, say, the cricketers of the 80s and the 2020s. The latter are vastly fitter and quicker
Something to bear in mind when looking at scoring rates. No bowlers ever dived to save runs in the sixties when Boycott was batting…
I can remember Derek Randall being hailed as the best in the field when he threw himself around to stop a few runs.
Now we have whole teams of Derek Randalls.
Derek Randall had a great sense of humour.
He came to a school where my mum was on the staff, and they gave him the bat off a keyring, so he headed the tennis ball instead.
Suella Braverman’s rhetoric about child sexual abuse and grooming gangs has cost her the support of an influential Conservative backer, Steve Baker, in a sign her hardline approach to culture war issues could hamper her chances of becoming Tory leader.
Baker, a Tory MP on the Brexiter right of the party, who is now a Northern Ireland minister, was Braverman’s de facto campaign manager when she stood to succeed Boris Johnson as Conservative leader and prime minister last summer.
While Braverman, now the home secretary, was eliminated in the second round of MPs’ voting, her candidacy was seen as a marker for a possible future contest, one likely if the Conservatives lose the next general election.
However, it is understood Baker has decided he would not back Braverman again because of serious concerns over the way she has approached the issue of so-called grooming gangs.
As Baker will almost certainly lose his marginal Wycombe seat to Labour at the general election I doubt Suella cares.
By the time she likely runs for Tory Leader of the Opposition, Baker will be a very ex MP and not even able to vote in the MP rounds
And that sums up you and the whole sorry story of the right and Johnson as your hero
You are actually celebrating the career end of a conservative mp
Shame on you, and go and join RefUK as that is where you and the ERG truly belong
More than one of your posts of late have celebrated what you believe will be the end of various Tory MPs' careers. Perhaps you should take some of the shame you seem so keen to dish out.
Sadly because of Johnson and your beloved Truss conservative mps across the land are facing a career ending election
The conservative party will only obtain office by moving to the centre ground (one nation conservatives) and marginalising those who have brought it into shame and disrepute
The 'centre ground', aka statist socialism, ends in IMF bailouts or bankruptcy, it ends in a big state apparatus and high taxes. It is the sort of thing bureaucracy loves, because it is self perpetuating.
We need to encourage self reliance, low taxation, and a small state.
Yes, but the people that appeals to then bugger off to France or wherever. There's no point in encouraging self-reliance if they then self-reliantly go live abroad. We are already in the shit with respect to the debt and deficit, and it was a thirteen year Conservative Government that put us there. The world of the 1970s has gone and the lessons are out of date.
One big problem of the pensionerism that will dominate UK politics for the next decade or so is that all their reflexes will be wrong because all the lessons are out of date.
A silly spat that originated with someone posting a picture of Tina Turner and her ex-husband. Someone else implying that meant they thought domestic violence was OK, and the first person concluding that the second person's comment reflected a contemptuous attitude to black and Asian people who didn't share her political views.
Both of them should have something better to do with their time.
Too many tweets make a
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I knew Musk was mad, but I didn't think he was stupid. The average twitter user will scroll six hundred or whatever posts in half an hour (skipping over 95% of them). Never seen someone so intent on Ratnering their own brand.
I don't know if it's a weekend effect, but as the frequency of twitter posts have decreased, PB has become much more fun. Ok it's now full of cricket and F1 fans, but you can't have everything. 😀
Have we all read Cory Doctorow's thesis on "enshittification", the process that all social media goes through as a result of platforms extracting value to the point of killing the golden goose?
When you think about it, PB has outlived most social media platforms - here before Facebook which is a dead platform now, Instagram dying, Twitter taking a very rapid turn for the worse...
The interesting thing about the Doctorow idea is that you'd imagine social media platforms would learn from the mistakes of their predecessors, but it keeps happening because of the way the capitalist system itself demands the extraction of value. On reading it, I couldn't help but wonder if the UK was being "enshittified" in the same way.
The same thing happened to the lad magazines
Suits took over and demanded maximum profit for minimum effort which made the product worse and worse - and then they fell off a cliff coz they couldn’t compete with free shit on the internet. There was nothing worth paying for
Oh god, lads mags, yes. I got a letter published in FHM when I was a teen and completely forgot about it until lockdown. Having no idea what issue it was in I bought a job lot of FHMs (pretty much everything for a decade) between 1996-2005ish which was when I was a reader.
You can see the decline over those years, from some pretty funny, tongue in cheek, gonzo type stuff, to people just phoning it in by the end. And Grub Smith! I forgot about him... I understand it staggered on for another decade after that but by then was just a paint by numbers jobbie. Even Viz feels that way these days, and that was still good well into the 2000s.
Off on a tangent, but another interesting comment I saw on the FT recently - Martin Amis was the Jordan Peterson of his time, bit of a guru for young lads trying to figure out how to be men. FHM very much filled that gap for me as a teen in the 90s. Young men need older men to tell them how it all works, and I kinda feel sad that this generation is stuck with Andrew Tate when we had Amis and FHM...
BTW, what is it that makes a wicket sticky in the first place? OR is this a question best NOT asked!
Many moons ago there were no covers in cricket - if it rained, the wicket got wet. Play resumed when the pitch had dried enough, but often those pitches were still damp, and much harder to play on. Hence a sticky wicket. Gone from the game at elite level now thanks to covers, but very much still there at many a village match…
Much obliged! Now know knowledge unknown to 99.46% plus of my Fellow Americans.
Just wondered IF sticky wicket issue in cricket, was similar to perennial pine controversy in baseball?
Now you are going to have to explain that one to me!
Another point (I’ll shut up about the cricket in a minute)
Stokes will argue that the Bairstow dismissal possibly cost England the game. But the Bairstow dismissal turned the crowd from a good natured boozy audience. expecting defeat, into a visceral mob of constant booing and heckling
And this visibly destabilised Australia. You could see it in their body language. Their bowling got weaker and they dropped catches etc
So paradoxically the “Aussie cheating” helped England 🤷♂️
the Aussies of course did not cheat - unlike Broad a few years ago it could be argued. The aussies appealed for a legitimate wicket (thats why he was out) , Broad did not walk despite 100% knowing he was out (and tried to decieve the umpire by his mannerisms) - I would argue both are fair to do in the modern game but please have none of this pathetic "we woz robbed by cheats " rubbish
I don’t think this is about cheating, it’s about the spirit of cricket. You can make a good case that the spirit of cricket requires batters to walk if they know they hit a ball and we’re caught. Yet arguably that’s not where the modern game is. Many batsman will try to give the impression of innocence despite knowing that they have edged the ball. Broads was odd because it was a decent edge to slip, but for some reason the umpire missed it, thought it had just turned and said not out. No DRS back then. This stumping is similar to the wierd run out a few years ago when the batter thought the ball had gone for four, the fielders gave that impression and then a run out was affected. In that game, yea intervened and the appeal was withdrawn. Was Bairstow at fault? Yes, a little. He wasn’t seeking to gain an advantage, so I don’t know why the Aussies were ‘annoyed’. It was like excessive backing up. They took their chance and it paid off. I will try to stump batsman who bat out their ground to faster bowlers, but not at the end of an over when it’s pretty clear it’s over - the standing umpire wasn’t even looking. So legal, yes. Just as the catch yesterday wasn’t a catch. Spirit of the game ? No, but it’s test cricket. Bring the rage to Headingly.
I personally do not like the crowd being whipped up in cricket (leave it to football) , Golf is not the better for the hostile atmosphere of the Ryder Cup (in fact we pride ourselves that the atmosphere is more civilised when Europe host it) . Cricket is not better when you have loutish fans
Yeah it is. Speaking as a lout who had a blast today
We could have sat there all polite watching Australia win easily. Instead 98% of the crowd went bonkers and turned the whole stadium into a seething cauldron of hate directed at Australia. Which made for intense and fantastic cricket
Jeez. People moan that Test cricket is dying - perhaps facile attitudes like yours are part of the reason?
any civilised country or indeed person knows to be respectful and welcoming to guests - Football has let itself down for years by louts booing oppositions anthems , lets not drag cricket to that level (or indeed ourselves)
Just like individuals these 'guests' deserve and get respect until they show they no longer deserve it. This Aussie team - or at least certain members of it - have gone way past that point.
Stewards decision - stand by folks, the race results could be about to change. According to the @FIA over 1200 instances where a car may have exceeded track limits were reported during the race
Suella Braverman’s rhetoric about child sexual abuse and grooming gangs has cost her the support of an influential Conservative backer, Steve Baker, in a sign her hardline approach to culture war issues could hamper her chances of becoming Tory leader.
Baker, a Tory MP on the Brexiter right of the party, who is now a Northern Ireland minister, was Braverman’s de facto campaign manager when she stood to succeed Boris Johnson as Conservative leader and prime minister last summer.
While Braverman, now the home secretary, was eliminated in the second round of MPs’ voting, her candidacy was seen as a marker for a possible future contest, one likely if the Conservatives lose the next general election.
However, it is understood Baker has decided he would not back Braverman again because of serious concerns over the way she has approached the issue of so-called grooming gangs.
As Baker will almost certainly lose his marginal Wycombe seat to Labour at the general election I doubt Suella cares.
By the time she likely runs for Tory Leader of the Opposition, Baker will be a very ex MP and not even able to vote in the MP rounds
And that sums up you and the whole sorry story of the right and Johnson as your hero
You are actually celebrating the career end of a conservative mp
Shame on you, and go and join RefUK as that is where you and the ERG truly belong
I first heard this said by a Labour member in the 1990s, but I'm sure the gag is older than that;
We can't chuck all the nutters out, there would be nobody left.
As I said early this morning the conservative party are in a grave position as they tear themselves apart and the country looks on in anger
The way to win elections is in the centre ground which Starmer and Reeves have claimed , while Johnson and his disciples lack of self awareness is unbelievable and frankly they are hiding in the conservative party and destroying from within like a Trojan horse when their true allegiance is with RefUK and Farage
Post GE24 if the right have their way and the disgraceful Braverman is anywhere near power, than I am political homeless as are many millions of other one nation conservatives
I am sure you could vote for Starmer as you did for Blair twice if Sunak loses the next election and a more rightwing Tory becomes leader
I most certainly will not vote for your RefUk light party, and for our country's sake I hope that common sense, decency, integrity and honesty are reestablished in time in the conservative party and you and the ERG are marginalised as per Corbyn in labour
The wets will entirely own the coming defeat.
I look forward to the next proper Tory government; when it happens it won't contain the likes of Rishi and Hunt, I suspect.
How so?
The Conservatives are in the mess they find themselves in because of Truss and Kwarteng's absurd budget which was lauded by all the moon howlers as the first truly Conservative budget in living memory.
Sunak and Hunt have done a stunning job considering what Truss left them with.
Piss off. The mini budget was masterful compared to the economic vandalism meted out by Sunak/Hunt since. The more grounded Sunak fans now acknowledge as much, and (rightly) bemoan Kwarteng/Truss's presentation of the budget not its content.
It really wasn't. I cannot think of a single more ill-conceived thing. I suspect you like it because of the low tax ideas. I do too. However you can't just announce vast spending on a wing and a prayer. Nobody other than a complete fool announces such a thing - So Truss and Kwarteng must be classed as fools.
It also was a disaster for mortgage holders with the surging interest rates, the tax cuts really needed to wait until inflation and borrowing under control
Suella Braverman’s rhetoric about child sexual abuse and grooming gangs has cost her the support of an influential Conservative backer, Steve Baker, in a sign her hardline approach to culture war issues could hamper her chances of becoming Tory leader.
Baker, a Tory MP on the Brexiter right of the party, who is now a Northern Ireland minister, was Braverman’s de facto campaign manager when she stood to succeed Boris Johnson as Conservative leader and prime minister last summer.
While Braverman, now the home secretary, was eliminated in the second round of MPs’ voting, her candidacy was seen as a marker for a possible future contest, one likely if the Conservatives lose the next general election.
However, it is understood Baker has decided he would not back Braverman again because of serious concerns over the way she has approached the issue of so-called grooming gangs.
As Baker will almost certainly lose his marginal Wycombe seat to Labour at the general election I doubt Suella cares.
By the time she likely runs for Tory Leader of the Opposition, Baker will be a very ex MP and not even able to vote in the MP rounds
And that sums up you and the whole sorry story of the right and Johnson as your hero
You are actually celebrating the career end of a conservative mp
Shame on you, and go and join RefUK as that is where you and the ERG truly belong
I first heard this said by a Labour member in the 1990s, but I'm sure the gag is older than that;
We can't chuck all the nutters out, there would be nobody left.
As I said early this morning the conservative party are in a grave position as they tear themselves apart and the country looks on in anger
The way to win elections is in the centre ground which Starmer and Reeves have claimed , while Johnson and his disciples lack of self awareness is unbelievable and frankly they are hiding in the conservative party and destroying from within like a Trojan horse when their true allegiance is with RefUK and Farage
Post GE24 if the right have their way and the disgraceful Braverman is anywhere near power, than I am political homeless as are many millions of other one nation conservatives
I am sure you could vote for Starmer as you did for Blair twice if Sunak loses the next election and a more rightwing Tory becomes leader
I most certainly will not vote for your RefUk light party, and for our country's sake I hope that common sense, decency, integrity and honesty are reestablished in time in the conservative party and you and the ERG are marginalised as per Corbyn in labour
The wets will entirely own the coming defeat.
I look forward to the next proper Tory government; when it happens it won't contain the likes of Rishi and Hunt, I suspect.
How so?
The Conservatives are in the mess they find themselves in because of Truss and Kwarteng's absurd budget which was lauded by all the moon howlers as the first truly Conservative budget in living memory.
Sunak and Hunt have done a stunning job considering what Truss left them with.
Piss off. The mini budget was masterful compared to the economic vandalism meted out by Sunak/Hunt since. The more grounded Sunak fans now acknowledge as much, and (rightly) bemoan Kwarteng/Truss's presentation of the budget not its content.
It really wasn't. I cannot think of a single more ill-conceived thing. I suspect you like it because of the low tax ideas. I do too. However you can't just announce vast spending on a wing and a prayer. Nobody other than a complete fool announces such a thing - So Truss and Kwarteng must be classed as fools.
There was no vast spending. The biggest spending on there was the energy price guarantee, and that was accepted by all parties. The tax cuts were extremely modest - in-fact mainly damage control cancelling out the worst Sunak crap.
Yes, the budget was presented poorly. Yes it damaged its stated goals. That doesn’t mean the actual execution of the measures would have proved harmful - quite the opposite in my opinion.
Suella Braverman’s rhetoric about child sexual abuse and grooming gangs has cost her the support of an influential Conservative backer, Steve Baker, in a sign her hardline approach to culture war issues could hamper her chances of becoming Tory leader.
Baker, a Tory MP on the Brexiter right of the party, who is now a Northern Ireland minister, was Braverman’s de facto campaign manager when she stood to succeed Boris Johnson as Conservative leader and prime minister last summer.
While Braverman, now the home secretary, was eliminated in the second round of MPs’ voting, her candidacy was seen as a marker for a possible future contest, one likely if the Conservatives lose the next general election.
However, it is understood Baker has decided he would not back Braverman again because of serious concerns over the way she has approached the issue of so-called grooming gangs.
As Baker will almost certainly lose his marginal Wycombe seat to Labour at the general election I doubt Suella cares.
By the time she likely runs for Tory Leader of the Opposition, Baker will be a very ex MP and not even able to vote in the MP rounds
And that sums up you and the whole sorry story of the right and Johnson as your hero
You are actually celebrating the career end of a conservative mp
Shame on you, and go and join RefUK as that is where you and the ERG truly belong
I first heard this said by a Labour member in the 1990s, but I'm sure the gag is older than that;
We can't chuck all the nutters out, there would be nobody left.
As I said early this morning the conservative party are in a grave position as they tear themselves apart and the country looks on in anger
The way to win elections is in the centre ground which Starmer and Reeves have claimed , while Johnson and his disciples lack of self awareness is unbelievable and frankly they are hiding in the conservative party and destroying from within like a Trojan horse when their true allegiance is with RefUK and Farage
Post GE24 if the right have their way and the disgraceful Braverman is anywhere near power, than I am political homeless as are many millions of other one nation conservatives
I am sure you could vote for Starmer as you did for Blair twice if Sunak loses the next election and a more rightwing Tory becomes leader
I most certainly will not vote for your RefUk light party, and for our country's sake I hope that common sense, decency, integrity and honesty are reestablished in time in the conservative party and you and the ERG are marginalised as per Corbyn in labour
The wets will entirely own the coming defeat.
I look forward to the next proper Tory government; when it happens it won't contain the likes of Rishi and Hunt, I suspect.
How so?
The Conservatives are in the mess they find themselves in because of Truss and Kwarteng's absurd budget which was lauded by all the moon howlers as the first truly Conservative budget in living memory.
Sunak and Hunt have done a stunning job considering what Truss left them with.
Piss off. The mini budget was masterful compared to the economic vandalism meted out by Sunak/Hunt since. The more grounded Sunak fans now acknowledge as much, and (rightly) bemoan Kwarteng/Truss's presentation of the budget not its content.
Don't be silly. Truss completely finished off the last vestiges of the Conservatives USP as being most sensible with the economy. It was just completely and utterly dumb, and it was nothing to do with it's "presentation", it was to do with the fact that that the markets all thought it was fucking insane.
The much vaunted 'markets' think that a Sunak-led economy now is a worse credit risk than a Truss-led economy at the height of the mini-budget kerfuffle. So when is Sunak resigning in disgrace?
Why do you put the word markets within disdainful inverted commas? Are you secretly a Corbyn fan?
The mini budget was a car crash. Anyone trying to excuse it is as economically and politically illiterate as Liz Truss. Sunak is doing exactly what Margaret Thatcher did - first attempt to create stability, then the more radical approaches can be followed from a position of strength at a later date. Anything else is just kindergarten stuff; fantasy economics that leads to disaster.
Another point (I’ll shut up about the cricket in a minute)
Stokes will argue that the Bairstow dismissal possibly cost England the game. But the Bairstow dismissal turned the crowd from a good natured boozy audience. expecting defeat, into a visceral mob of constant booing and heckling
And this visibly destabilised Australia. You could see it in their body language. Their bowling got weaker and they dropped catches etc
So paradoxically the “Aussie cheating” helped England 🤷♂️
the Aussies of course did not cheat - unlike Broad a few years ago it could be argued. The aussies appealed for a legitimate wicket (thats why he was out) , Broad did not walk despite 100% knowing he was out (and tried to decieve the umpire by his mannerisms) - I would argue both are fair to do in the modern game but please have none of this pathetic "we woz robbed by cheats " rubbish
I don’t think this is about cheating, it’s about the spirit of cricket. You can make a good case that the spirit of cricket requires batters to walk if they know they hit a ball and we’re caught. Yet arguably that’s not where the modern game is. Many batsman will try to give the impression of innocence despite knowing that they have edged the ball. Broads was odd because it was a decent edge to slip, but for some reason the umpire missed it, thought it had just turned and said not out. No DRS back then. This stumping is similar to the wierd run out a few years ago when the batter thought the ball had gone for four, the fielders gave that impression and then a run out was affected. In that game, yea intervened and the appeal was withdrawn. Was Bairstow at fault? Yes, a little. He wasn’t seeking to gain an advantage, so I don’t know why the Aussies were ‘annoyed’. It was like excessive backing up. They took their chance and it paid off. I will try to stump batsman who bat out their ground to faster bowlers, but not at the end of an over when it’s pretty clear it’s over - the standing umpire wasn’t even looking. So legal, yes. Just as the catch yesterday wasn’t a catch. Spirit of the game ? No, but it’s test cricket. Bring the rage to Headingly.
I personally do not like the crowd being whipped up in cricket (leave it to football) , Golf is not the better for the hostile atmosphere of the Ryder Cup (in fact we pride ourselves that the atmosphere is more civilised when Europe host it) . Cricket is not better when you have loutish fans
Yeah it is. Speaking as a lout who had a blast today
We could have sat there all polite watching Australia win easily. Instead 98% of the crowd went bonkers and turned the whole stadium into a seething cauldron of hate directed at Australia. Which made for intense and fantastic cricket
Jeez. People moan that Test cricket is dying - perhaps facile attitudes like yours are part of the reason?
It's just ugly. Cricket shouldn't be ugly.
I’ve heard of winning ugly but losing ugly now seems to be an approved facet of Bazball. Great entertainment for the non aligned, though the traditional choruses of Cheating Aussie bastards countered by Whinging Pommy bastards get a bit tedious.
Suella Braverman’s rhetoric about child sexual abuse and grooming gangs has cost her the support of an influential Conservative backer, Steve Baker, in a sign her hardline approach to culture war issues could hamper her chances of becoming Tory leader.
Baker, a Tory MP on the Brexiter right of the party, who is now a Northern Ireland minister, was Braverman’s de facto campaign manager when she stood to succeed Boris Johnson as Conservative leader and prime minister last summer.
While Braverman, now the home secretary, was eliminated in the second round of MPs’ voting, her candidacy was seen as a marker for a possible future contest, one likely if the Conservatives lose the next general election.
However, it is understood Baker has decided he would not back Braverman again because of serious concerns over the way she has approached the issue of so-called grooming gangs.
As Baker will almost certainly lose his marginal Wycombe seat to Labour at the general election I doubt Suella cares.
By the time she likely runs for Tory Leader of the Opposition, Baker will be a very ex MP and not even able to vote in the MP rounds
And that sums up you and the whole sorry story of the right and Johnson as your hero
You are actually celebrating the career end of a conservative mp
Shame on you, and go and join RefUK as that is where you and the ERG truly belong
More than one of your posts of late have celebrated what you believe will be the end of various Tory MPs' careers. Perhaps you should take some of the shame you seem so keen to dish out.
Sadly because of Johnson and your beloved Truss conservative mps across the land are facing a career ending election
The conservative party will only obtain office by moving to the centre ground (one nation conservatives) and marginalising those who have brought it into shame and disrepute
Thatcher won from the right three times, as did Boris on Brexit at least in 2019. On the other side Attlee won for Labour from the left twice. The centre ground isn't the only electable option 100% of the time, even if it is most of the time
Suella Braverman’s rhetoric about child sexual abuse and grooming gangs has cost her the support of an influential Conservative backer, Steve Baker, in a sign her hardline approach to culture war issues could hamper her chances of becoming Tory leader.
Baker, a Tory MP on the Brexiter right of the party, who is now a Northern Ireland minister, was Braverman’s de facto campaign manager when she stood to succeed Boris Johnson as Conservative leader and prime minister last summer.
While Braverman, now the home secretary, was eliminated in the second round of MPs’ voting, her candidacy was seen as a marker for a possible future contest, one likely if the Conservatives lose the next general election.
However, it is understood Baker has decided he would not back Braverman again because of serious concerns over the way she has approached the issue of so-called grooming gangs.
As Baker will almost certainly lose his marginal Wycombe seat to Labour at the general election I doubt Suella cares.
By the time she likely runs for Tory Leader of the Opposition, Baker will be a very ex MP and not even able to vote in the MP rounds
And that sums up you and the whole sorry story of the right and Johnson as your hero
You are actually celebrating the career end of a conservative mp
Shame on you, and go and join RefUK as that is where you and the ERG truly belong
More than one of your posts of late have celebrated what you believe will be the end of various Tory MPs' careers. Perhaps you should take some of the shame you seem so keen to dish out.
Sadly because of Johnson and your beloved Truss conservative mps across the land are facing a career ending election
The conservative party will only obtain office by moving to the centre ground (one nation conservatives) and marginalising those who have brought it into shame and disrepute
The 'centre ground', aka statist socialism, ends in IMF bailouts or bankruptcy, it ends in a big state apparatus and high taxes. It is the sort of thing bureaucracy loves, because it is self perpetuating.
We need to encourage self reliance, low taxation, and a small state.
Yes, but the people that appeals to then bugger off to France or wherever. There's no point in encouraging self-reliance if they then self-reliantly go live abroad. We are already in the shit with respect to the debt and deficit, and it was a thirteen year Conservative Government that put us there. The world of the 1970s has gone and the lessons are out of date.
One big problem of the pensionerism that will dominate UK politics for the next decade or so is that all their reflexes will be wrong because all the lessons are out of date.
The people who pay the taxes will be even keener to bugger off to (not France, but maybe Jersey) unless they're brought down to a reasonable level.
Suella Braverman’s rhetoric about child sexual abuse and grooming gangs has cost her the support of an influential Conservative backer, Steve Baker, in a sign her hardline approach to culture war issues could hamper her chances of becoming Tory leader.
Baker, a Tory MP on the Brexiter right of the party, who is now a Northern Ireland minister, was Braverman’s de facto campaign manager when she stood to succeed Boris Johnson as Conservative leader and prime minister last summer.
While Braverman, now the home secretary, was eliminated in the second round of MPs’ voting, her candidacy was seen as a marker for a possible future contest, one likely if the Conservatives lose the next general election.
However, it is understood Baker has decided he would not back Braverman again because of serious concerns over the way she has approached the issue of so-called grooming gangs.
As Baker will almost certainly lose his marginal Wycombe seat to Labour at the general election I doubt Suella cares.
By the time she likely runs for Tory Leader of the Opposition, Baker will be a very ex MP and not even able to vote in the MP rounds
And that sums up you and the whole sorry story of the right and Johnson as your hero
You are actually celebrating the career end of a conservative mp
Shame on you, and go and join RefUK as that is where you and the ERG truly belong
I first heard this said by a Labour member in the 1990s, but I'm sure the gag is older than that;
We can't chuck all the nutters out, there would be nobody left.
As I said early this morning the conservative party are in a grave position as they tear themselves apart and the country looks on in anger
The way to win elections is in the centre ground which Starmer and Reeves have claimed , while Johnson and his disciples lack of self awareness is unbelievable and frankly they are hiding in the conservative party and destroying from within like a Trojan horse when their true allegiance is with RefUK and Farage
Post GE24 if the right have their way and the disgraceful Braverman is anywhere near power, than I am political homeless as are many millions of other one nation conservatives
I am sure you could vote for Starmer as you did for Blair twice if Sunak loses the next election and a more rightwing Tory becomes leader
I most certainly will not vote for your RefUk light party, and for our country's sake I hope that common sense, decency, integrity and honesty are reestablished in time in the conservative party and you and the ERG are marginalised as per Corbyn in labour
The wets will entirely own the coming defeat.
I look forward to the next proper Tory government; when it happens it won't contain the likes of Rishi and Hunt, I suspect.
How so?
The Conservatives are in the mess they find themselves in because of Truss and Kwarteng's absurd budget which was lauded by all the moon howlers as the first truly Conservative budget in living memory.
Sunak and Hunt have done a stunning job considering what Truss left them with.
Piss off. The mini budget was masterful compared to the economic vandalism meted out by Sunak/Hunt since. The more grounded Sunak fans now acknowledge as much, and (rightly) bemoan Kwarteng/Truss's presentation of the budget not its content.
It was the content that caused the Trussterf*ck and Kwarteng's quick departure, followed closely by Truss herself.
Suella Braverman’s rhetoric about child sexual abuse and grooming gangs has cost her the support of an influential Conservative backer, Steve Baker, in a sign her hardline approach to culture war issues could hamper her chances of becoming Tory leader.
Baker, a Tory MP on the Brexiter right of the party, who is now a Northern Ireland minister, was Braverman’s de facto campaign manager when she stood to succeed Boris Johnson as Conservative leader and prime minister last summer.
While Braverman, now the home secretary, was eliminated in the second round of MPs’ voting, her candidacy was seen as a marker for a possible future contest, one likely if the Conservatives lose the next general election.
However, it is understood Baker has decided he would not back Braverman again because of serious concerns over the way she has approached the issue of so-called grooming gangs.
As Baker will almost certainly lose his marginal Wycombe seat to Labour at the general election I doubt Suella cares.
By the time she likely runs for Tory Leader of the Opposition, Baker will be a very ex MP and not even able to vote in the MP rounds
Eh? Wycombe is not a marginal seat by any standards, despite a relatively large Muslim community (which historically splits fairly evenly between Tory and Labour), it is a rock solid seat. If you lose Wycombe you lose most of the Home Counties.
Eh? Wycombe is only 43rd on the Labour target list.
Wycombe is absolutely a marginal nowadays. Last time out Baker held on by about 8%. In any sort of a Lab victory it would almost certainly fall. So if there is a post-GE vacancy then Baker probably won't be around
Indeed. Wycombe also voted 52% Remain and the Conservatives are now in only third place with Remainers with Yougov on just 13% behind Labour on 57% and the LDs on 15%.
Under various boundaries, the Tories have held the seat since 1951. While I agree that Baker´s majority fell, that is because he is not very popular personally. Even with that, losing Wycombe would still be a disastrous result. The fact that HYFUD thinks that this is a) entirely to be expected and b) a good thing, suggests that the Conservative Party is already circling the drain.
No, it is just changing demographics post Brexit.
For example in the May local elections the Tories held councils like Dartford and Harlow and Basildon and Braintree and Dudley and Wyre Forest that Blair won and areas like Torbay that the LDs won in 1997.
However the Tories no longer control lots of council areas containing parliamentary seats in the Home Counties they won in 1997. Wycombe being a Home Counties Remain seat typical of that.
The core Conservative vote now is skilled working class Leave voters and pensioners, whereas in 1997 it was the upper middle class. The latter are now swing voters post Brexit
Ï don´t think the Conservatives have a core vote any more. For more than 50 years the Tories have claimed to be the party of the strivers versus the skivers. Now... ?
Pensioners. The Tories still lead with pensioners in most polls whereas Blair won pensioners in 1997.
Plus those living in rural areas, albeit apart from farmers a high percentage of them are pensioners too
Suella Braverman’s rhetoric about child sexual abuse and grooming gangs has cost her the support of an influential Conservative backer, Steve Baker, in a sign her hardline approach to culture war issues could hamper her chances of becoming Tory leader.
Baker, a Tory MP on the Brexiter right of the party, who is now a Northern Ireland minister, was Braverman’s de facto campaign manager when she stood to succeed Boris Johnson as Conservative leader and prime minister last summer.
While Braverman, now the home secretary, was eliminated in the second round of MPs’ voting, her candidacy was seen as a marker for a possible future contest, one likely if the Conservatives lose the next general election.
However, it is understood Baker has decided he would not back Braverman again because of serious concerns over the way she has approached the issue of so-called grooming gangs.
As Baker will almost certainly lose his marginal Wycombe seat to Labour at the general election I doubt Suella cares.
By the time she likely runs for Tory Leader of the Opposition, Baker will be a very ex MP and not even able to vote in the MP rounds
And that sums up you and the whole sorry story of the right and Johnson as your hero
You are actually celebrating the career end of a conservative mp
Shame on you, and go and join RefUK as that is where you and the ERG truly belong
More than one of your posts of late have celebrated what you believe will be the end of various Tory MPs' careers. Perhaps you should take some of the shame you seem so keen to dish out.
Sadly because of Johnson and your beloved Truss conservative mps across the land are facing a career ending election
The conservative party will only obtain office by moving to the centre ground (one nation conservatives) and marginalising those who have brought it into shame and disrepute
Thatcher won from the right three times, as did Boris on Brexit at least in 2019. On the other side Attlee won for Labour from the left twice. The centre ground isn't the only electable option 100% of the time, even if it is most of the time
Thatcher was closer to the centre than Michael Foot. The Clown was closer to the centre than Mr. Thicky.
Is Ben stokes the greatest all round cricketer ever? I’d say yes. That was certainly the best innings of Test cricket I’ve ever personally witnessed. He’s phenomenal
Cricketing all-rounders who have become Prime Minister: Alec Douglas-Home; Imran Khan. Any others? CB Fry was reputedly offered the Albanian throne but he did not bowl.
Suella Braverman’s rhetoric about child sexual abuse and grooming gangs has cost her the support of an influential Conservative backer, Steve Baker, in a sign her hardline approach to culture war issues could hamper her chances of becoming Tory leader.
Baker, a Tory MP on the Brexiter right of the party, who is now a Northern Ireland minister, was Braverman’s de facto campaign manager when she stood to succeed Boris Johnson as Conservative leader and prime minister last summer.
While Braverman, now the home secretary, was eliminated in the second round of MPs’ voting, her candidacy was seen as a marker for a possible future contest, one likely if the Conservatives lose the next general election.
However, it is understood Baker has decided he would not back Braverman again because of serious concerns over the way she has approached the issue of so-called grooming gangs.
As Baker will almost certainly lose his marginal Wycombe seat to Labour at the general election I doubt Suella cares.
By the time she likely runs for Tory Leader of the Opposition, Baker will be a very ex MP and not even able to vote in the MP rounds
And that sums up you and the whole sorry story of the right and Johnson as your hero
You are actually celebrating the career end of a conservative mp
Shame on you, and go and join RefUK as that is where you and the ERG truly belong
More than one of your posts of late have celebrated what you believe will be the end of various Tory MPs' careers. Perhaps you should take some of the shame you seem so keen to dish out.
Sadly because of Johnson and your beloved Truss conservative mps across the land are facing a career ending election
The conservative party will only obtain office by moving to the centre ground (one nation conservatives) and marginalising those who have brought it into shame and disrepute
Thatcher won from the right three times, as did Boris on Brexit at least in 2019. On the other side Attlee won for Labour from the left twice. The centre ground isn't the only electable option 100% of the time, even if it is most of the time
Thatcher was closer to the centre than Michael Foot. The Clown was closer to the centre than Mr. Thicky.
Agree with the first sentence. Trying to decipher the second one. I assume the Clown (obviously) is Johnson. Who is Mr Thicky
Apologies but this isn't obvious to me from the thread?
Is Ben stokes the greatest all round cricketer ever? I’d say yes. That was certainly the best innings of Test cricket I’ve ever personally witnessed. He’s phenomenal
Cricketing all-rounders who have become Prime Minister: Alec Douglas-Home; Imran Khan. Any others? CB Fry was reputedly offered the Albanian throne but he did not bowl.
I’m sure Trump would tell you that he’s a fabulous all rounder if you asked him.
Suella Braverman’s rhetoric about child sexual abuse and grooming gangs has cost her the support of an influential Conservative backer, Steve Baker, in a sign her hardline approach to culture war issues could hamper her chances of becoming Tory leader.
Baker, a Tory MP on the Brexiter right of the party, who is now a Northern Ireland minister, was Braverman’s de facto campaign manager when she stood to succeed Boris Johnson as Conservative leader and prime minister last summer.
While Braverman, now the home secretary, was eliminated in the second round of MPs’ voting, her candidacy was seen as a marker for a possible future contest, one likely if the Conservatives lose the next general election.
However, it is understood Baker has decided he would not back Braverman again because of serious concerns over the way she has approached the issue of so-called grooming gangs.
As Baker will almost certainly lose his marginal Wycombe seat to Labour at the general election I doubt Suella cares.
By the time she likely runs for Tory Leader of the Opposition, Baker will be a very ex MP and not even able to vote in the MP rounds
And that sums up you and the whole sorry story of the right and Johnson as your hero
You are actually celebrating the career end of a conservative mp
Shame on you, and go and join RefUK as that is where you and the ERG truly belong
More than one of your posts of late have celebrated what you believe will be the end of various Tory MPs' careers. Perhaps you should take some of the shame you seem so keen to dish out.
Sadly because of Johnson and your beloved Truss conservative mps across the land are facing a career ending election
The conservative party will only obtain office by moving to the centre ground (one nation conservatives) and marginalising those who have brought it into shame and disrepute
Thatcher won from the right three times, as did Boris on Brexit at least in 2019. On the other side Attlee won for Labour from the left twice. The centre ground isn't the only electable option 100% of the time, even if it is most of the time
Thatcher was closer to the centre than Michael Foot. The Clown was closer to the centre than Mr. Thicky.
Agree with the first sentence. Trying to decipher the second one. I assume the Clown (obviously) is Johnson. Who is Mr Thicky
Apologies but this isn't obvious to me from the thread?
Sorry, Mr.Thicky is my shorthand for the intellectually challenged Jeremy Corbyn. Apologies if you thought I was suggesting Johnson was closer to the centre than Malcolmg, even if that is correct.
Stewards decision - stand by folks, the race results could be about to change. According to the @FIA over 1200 instances where a car may have exceeded track limits were reported during the race
Suella Braverman’s rhetoric about child sexual abuse and grooming gangs has cost her the support of an influential Conservative backer, Steve Baker, in a sign her hardline approach to culture war issues could hamper her chances of becoming Tory leader.
Baker, a Tory MP on the Brexiter right of the party, who is now a Northern Ireland minister, was Braverman’s de facto campaign manager when she stood to succeed Boris Johnson as Conservative leader and prime minister last summer.
While Braverman, now the home secretary, was eliminated in the second round of MPs’ voting, her candidacy was seen as a marker for a possible future contest, one likely if the Conservatives lose the next general election.
However, it is understood Baker has decided he would not back Braverman again because of serious concerns over the way she has approached the issue of so-called grooming gangs.
As Baker will almost certainly lose his marginal Wycombe seat to Labour at the general election I doubt Suella cares.
By the time she likely runs for Tory Leader of the Opposition, Baker will be a very ex MP and not even able to vote in the MP rounds
And that sums up you and the whole sorry story of the right and Johnson as your hero
You are actually celebrating the career end of a conservative mp
Shame on you, and go and join RefUK as that is where you and the ERG truly belong
More than one of your posts of late have celebrated what you believe will be the end of various Tory MPs' careers. Perhaps you should take some of the shame you seem so keen to dish out.
Sadly because of Johnson and your beloved Truss conservative mps across the land are facing a career ending election
The conservative party will only obtain office by moving to the centre ground (one nation conservatives) and marginalising those who have brought it into shame and disrepute
Thatcher won from the right three times, as did Boris on Brexit at least in 2019. On the other side Attlee won for Labour from the left twice. The centre ground isn't the only electable option 100% of the time, even if it is most of the time
Thatcher was closer to the centre than Michael Foot. The Clown was closer to the centre than Mr. Thicky.
Agree with the first sentence. Trying to decipher the second one. I assume the Clown (obviously) is Johnson. Who is Mr Thicky
Apologies but this isn't obvious to me from the thread?
Sorry, Mr.Thicky is my shorthand for the intellectually challenged Jeremy Corbyn. Apologies if you thought I was suggesting Johnson was closer to the centre than Malcolmg, even if that is correct.
LOL. Thanks. Okay get it now and agree. Still wasn't enough to get me to vote for him though. I suspect if Corbyn had won I would have bitterly regreted that decision but as it was I got away with it.
Is Ben stokes the greatest all round cricketer ever? I’d say yes. That was certainly the best innings of Test cricket I’ve ever personally witnessed. He’s phenomenal
Cricketing all-rounders who have become Prime Minister: Alec Douglas-Home; Imran Khan. Any others? CB Fry was reputedly offered the Albanian throne but he did not bowl.
I’m sure Trump would tell you that he’s a fabulous all rounder if you asked him.
He looks as though he is engaging in a bit of ball tampering there
Suella Braverman’s rhetoric about child sexual abuse and grooming gangs has cost her the support of an influential Conservative backer, Steve Baker, in a sign her hardline approach to culture war issues could hamper her chances of becoming Tory leader.
Baker, a Tory MP on the Brexiter right of the party, who is now a Northern Ireland minister, was Braverman’s de facto campaign manager when she stood to succeed Boris Johnson as Conservative leader and prime minister last summer.
While Braverman, now the home secretary, was eliminated in the second round of MPs’ voting, her candidacy was seen as a marker for a possible future contest, one likely if the Conservatives lose the next general election.
However, it is understood Baker has decided he would not back Braverman again because of serious concerns over the way she has approached the issue of so-called grooming gangs.
As Baker will almost certainly lose his marginal Wycombe seat to Labour at the general election I doubt Suella cares.
By the time she likely runs for Tory Leader of the Opposition, Baker will be a very ex MP and not even able to vote in the MP rounds
And that sums up you and the whole sorry story of the right and Johnson as your hero
You are actually celebrating the career end of a conservative mp
Shame on you, and go and join RefUK as that is where you and the ERG truly belong
More than one of your posts of late have celebrated what you believe will be the end of various Tory MPs' careers. Perhaps you should take some of the shame you seem so keen to dish out.
Sadly because of Johnson and your beloved Truss conservative mps across the land are facing a career ending election
The conservative party will only obtain office by moving to the centre ground (one nation conservatives) and marginalising those who have brought it into shame and disrepute
Thatcher won from the right three times, as did Boris on Brexit at least in 2019. On the other side Attlee won for Labour from the left twice. The centre ground isn't the only electable option 100% of the time, even if it is most of the time
Thatcher was closer to the centre than Michael Foot. The Clown was closer to the centre than Mr. Thicky.
Agree with the first sentence. Trying to decipher the second one. I assume the Clown (obviously) is Johnson. Who is Mr Thicky
Apologies but this isn't obvious to me from the thread?
The man he cruelly destroyed; St Jeremy the Martyr.
Has "more centrist of the big two wins" ever failed in modern times? 1979 perhaps, though that's partly false memory of how radical Maggie promised to be (less than it turned out).
Suella Braverman’s rhetoric about child sexual abuse and grooming gangs has cost her the support of an influential Conservative backer, Steve Baker, in a sign her hardline approach to culture war issues could hamper her chances of becoming Tory leader.
Baker, a Tory MP on the Brexiter right of the party, who is now a Northern Ireland minister, was Braverman’s de facto campaign manager when she stood to succeed Boris Johnson as Conservative leader and prime minister last summer.
While Braverman, now the home secretary, was eliminated in the second round of MPs’ voting, her candidacy was seen as a marker for a possible future contest, one likely if the Conservatives lose the next general election.
However, it is understood Baker has decided he would not back Braverman again because of serious concerns over the way she has approached the issue of so-called grooming gangs.
As Baker will almost certainly lose his marginal Wycombe seat to Labour at the general election I doubt Suella cares.
By the time she likely runs for Tory Leader of the Opposition, Baker will be a very ex MP and not even able to vote in the MP rounds
And that sums up you and the whole sorry story of the right and Johnson as your hero
You are actually celebrating the career end of a conservative mp
Shame on you, and go and join RefUK as that is where you and the ERG truly belong
I first heard this said by a Labour member in the 1990s, but I'm sure the gag is older than that;
We can't chuck all the nutters out, there would be nobody left.
As I said early this morning the conservative party are in a grave position as they tear themselves apart and the country looks on in anger
The way to win elections is in the centre ground which Starmer and Reeves have claimed , while Johnson and his disciples lack of self awareness is unbelievable and frankly they are hiding in the conservative party and destroying from within like a Trojan horse when their true allegiance is with RefUK and Farage
Post GE24 if the right have their way and the disgraceful Braverman is anywhere near power, than I am political homeless as are many millions of other one nation conservatives
I am sure you could vote for Starmer as you did for Blair twice if Sunak loses the next election and a more rightwing Tory becomes leader
I most certainly will not vote for your RefUk light party, and for our country's sake I hope that common sense, decency, integrity and honesty are reestablished in time in the conservative party and you and the ERG are marginalised as per Corbyn in labour
The wets will entirely own the coming defeat.
I look forward to the next proper Tory government; when it happens it won't contain the likes of Rishi and Hunt, I suspect.
How so?
The Conservatives are in the mess they find themselves in because of Truss and Kwarteng's absurd budget which was lauded by all the moon howlers as the first truly Conservative budget in living memory.
Sunak and Hunt have done a stunning job considering what Truss left them with.
Piss off. The mini budget was masterful compared to the economic vandalism meted out by Sunak/Hunt since. The more grounded Sunak fans now acknowledge as much, and (rightly) bemoan Kwarteng/Truss's presentation of the budget not its content.
It really wasn't. I cannot think of a single more ill-conceived thing. I suspect you like it because of the low tax ideas. I do too. However you can't just announce vast spending on a wing and a prayer. Nobody other than a complete fool announces such a thing - So Truss and Kwarteng must be classed as fools.
There was no vast spending. The biggest spending on there was the energy price guarantee, and that was accepted by all parties. The tax cuts were extremely modest - in-fact mainly damage control cancelling out the worst Sunak crap.
Yes, the budget was presented poorly. Yes it damaged its stated goals. That doesn’t mean the actual execution of the measures would have proved harmful - quite the opposite in my opinion.
I entirely agree with the idea of a a lean and mean low tax economy. I would also like a low regulation state. The smaller the state's involvement in everything the better. I doubt such ideas have been so damaged ever before as they were under Truss.
Hmmm. Parking at Richmond Bridge. Apparently a regular occurrence.
Attended by EIGHT fire engines. And a fire boat.
Do they, or their insurance company get sent an invoice? If they hit a lamp post their insurance would pay.
They really should put some bollards in there to stop the twats parking there.
Had the numbskulls trying to camp on the rowing club boat ramp on Saturday. They actually got upset when we marched the boats down the ramp - ‘cause of the layout, taking an eight down does a nice sweep of the morons…
Suella Braverman’s rhetoric about child sexual abuse and grooming gangs has cost her the support of an influential Conservative backer, Steve Baker, in a sign her hardline approach to culture war issues could hamper her chances of becoming Tory leader.
Baker, a Tory MP on the Brexiter right of the party, who is now a Northern Ireland minister, was Braverman’s de facto campaign manager when she stood to succeed Boris Johnson as Conservative leader and prime minister last summer.
While Braverman, now the home secretary, was eliminated in the second round of MPs’ voting, her candidacy was seen as a marker for a possible future contest, one likely if the Conservatives lose the next general election.
However, it is understood Baker has decided he would not back Braverman again because of serious concerns over the way she has approached the issue of so-called grooming gangs.
"What makes this inaction by the Home Office so contemptible is the contrast with the way politicians jump on these issues when they think it makes them look good or if they can attack an opponent. Suella Braverman did just that with her recent comments on grooming gangs and ethnicity, claiming that it was political correctness which prevented action. And yet when given the opportunity to act her department does little or nothing."
If that is why Baker is no longer supporting her, good for him.
Suella Braverman’s rhetoric about child sexual abuse and grooming gangs has cost her the support of an influential Conservative backer, Steve Baker, in a sign her hardline approach to culture war issues could hamper her chances of becoming Tory leader.
Baker, a Tory MP on the Brexiter right of the party, who is now a Northern Ireland minister, was Braverman’s de facto campaign manager when she stood to succeed Boris Johnson as Conservative leader and prime minister last summer.
While Braverman, now the home secretary, was eliminated in the second round of MPs’ voting, her candidacy was seen as a marker for a possible future contest, one likely if the Conservatives lose the next general election.
However, it is understood Baker has decided he would not back Braverman again because of serious concerns over the way she has approached the issue of so-called grooming gangs.
As Baker will almost certainly lose his marginal Wycombe seat to Labour at the general election I doubt Suella cares.
By the time she likely runs for Tory Leader of the Opposition, Baker will be a very ex MP and not even able to vote in the MP rounds
And that sums up you and the whole sorry story of the right and Johnson as your hero
You are actually celebrating the career end of a conservative mp
Shame on you, and go and join RefUK as that is where you and the ERG truly belong
More than one of your posts of late have celebrated what you believe will be the end of various Tory MPs' careers. Perhaps you should take some of the shame you seem so keen to dish out.
Sadly because of Johnson and your beloved Truss conservative mps across the land are facing a career ending election
The conservative party will only obtain office by moving to the centre ground (one nation conservatives) and marginalising those who have brought it into shame and disrepute
Thatcher won from the right three times, as did Boris on Brexit at least in 2019. On the other side Attlee won for Labour from the left twice. The centre ground isn't the only electable option 100% of the time, even if it is most of the time
I'm not sure.
I think Margaret Thatcher successfully redefined the political boundaries and I'd argue she redefined the centre ground so that was where she was - in other words, instead of moving to where the voters were, she moved the voters to where she was.
Suella Braverman’s rhetoric about child sexual abuse and grooming gangs has cost her the support of an influential Conservative backer, Steve Baker, in a sign her hardline approach to culture war issues could hamper her chances of becoming Tory leader.
Baker, a Tory MP on the Brexiter right of the party, who is now a Northern Ireland minister, was Braverman’s de facto campaign manager when she stood to succeed Boris Johnson as Conservative leader and prime minister last summer.
While Braverman, now the home secretary, was eliminated in the second round of MPs’ voting, her candidacy was seen as a marker for a possible future contest, one likely if the Conservatives lose the next general election.
However, it is understood Baker has decided he would not back Braverman again because of serious concerns over the way she has approached the issue of so-called grooming gangs.
As Baker will almost certainly lose his marginal Wycombe seat to Labour at the general election I doubt Suella cares.
By the time she likely runs for Tory Leader of the Opposition, Baker will be a very ex MP and not even able to vote in the MP rounds
And that sums up you and the whole sorry story of the right and Johnson as your hero
You are actually celebrating the career end of a conservative mp
Shame on you, and go and join RefUK as that is where you and the ERG truly belong
I first heard this said by a Labour member in the 1990s, but I'm sure the gag is older than that;
We can't chuck all the nutters out, there would be nobody left.
As I said early this morning the conservative party are in a grave position as they tear themselves apart and the country looks on in anger
The way to win elections is in the centre ground which Starmer and Reeves have claimed , while Johnson and his disciples lack of self awareness is unbelievable and frankly they are hiding in the conservative party and destroying from within like a Trojan horse when their true allegiance is with RefUK and Farage
Post GE24 if the right have their way and the disgraceful Braverman is anywhere near power, than I am political homeless as are many millions of other one nation conservatives
I am sure you could vote for Starmer as you did for Blair twice if Sunak loses the next election and a more rightwing Tory becomes leader
I most certainly will not vote for your RefUk light party, and for our country's sake I hope that common sense, decency, integrity and honesty are reestablished in time in the conservative party and you and the ERG are marginalised as per Corbyn in labour
The wets will entirely own the coming defeat.
I look forward to the next proper Tory government; when it happens it won't contain the likes of Rishi and Hunt, I suspect.
How so?
The Conservatives are in the mess they find themselves in because of Truss and Kwarteng's absurd budget which was lauded by all the moon howlers as the first truly Conservative budget in living memory.
Sunak and Hunt have done a stunning job considering what Truss left them with.
Piss off. The mini budget was masterful compared to the economic vandalism meted out by Sunak/Hunt since. The more grounded Sunak fans now acknowledge as much, and (rightly) bemoan Kwarteng/Truss's presentation of the budget not its content.
Don't be silly. Truss completely finished off the last vestiges of the Conservatives USP as being most sensible with the economy. It was just completely and utterly dumb, and it was nothing to do with it's "presentation", it was to do with the fact that that the markets all thought it was fucking insane.
The much vaunted 'markets' think that a Sunak-led economy now is a worse credit risk than a Truss-led economy at the height of the mini-budget kerfuffle. So when is Sunak resigning in disgrace?
You’re confusing credit risk with interest rate, I think.
Suella Braverman’s rhetoric about child sexual abuse and grooming gangs has cost her the support of an influential Conservative backer, Steve Baker, in a sign her hardline approach to culture war issues could hamper her chances of becoming Tory leader.
Baker, a Tory MP on the Brexiter right of the party, who is now a Northern Ireland minister, was Braverman’s de facto campaign manager when she stood to succeed Boris Johnson as Conservative leader and prime minister last summer.
While Braverman, now the home secretary, was eliminated in the second round of MPs’ voting, her candidacy was seen as a marker for a possible future contest, one likely if the Conservatives lose the next general election.
However, it is understood Baker has decided he would not back Braverman again because of serious concerns over the way she has approached the issue of so-called grooming gangs.
As Baker will almost certainly lose his marginal Wycombe seat to Labour at the general election I doubt Suella cares.
By the time she likely runs for Tory Leader of the Opposition, Baker will be a very ex MP and not even able to vote in the MP rounds
And that sums up you and the whole sorry story of the right and Johnson as your hero
You are actually celebrating the career end of a conservative mp
Shame on you, and go and join RefUK as that is where you and the ERG truly belong
More than one of your posts of late have celebrated what you believe will be the end of various Tory MPs' careers. Perhaps you should take some of the shame you seem so keen to dish out.
Sadly because of Johnson and your beloved Truss conservative mps across the land are facing a career ending election
The conservative party will only obtain office by moving to the centre ground (one nation conservatives) and marginalising those who have brought it into shame and disrepute
The 'centre ground', aka statist socialism, ends in IMF bailouts or bankruptcy, it ends in a big state apparatus and high taxes. It is the sort of thing bureaucracy loves, because iskt is self perpetuating.
We need to encourage self reliance, low taxation, and a small state.
Yes, but the people that appeals to then bugger off to France or wherever. There's no point in encouraging self-reliance if they then self-reliantly go live abroad. We are already in the shit with respect to the debt and deficit, and it was a thirteen year Conservative Government that put us there. The world of the 1970s has gone and the lessons are out of date.
One big problem of the pensionerism that will dominate UK politics for the next decade or so is that all their reflexes will be wrong because all the lessons are out of date.
The people who pay the taxes will be even keener to bugger off to (not France, but maybe Jersey) unless they're brought down to a reasonable level.
The internationally mobile will migrate whatever we set taxes to: we can't compete with Singapore. We have got about 10-20 million pensioners who are becoming increasingly frail, and we don't have enough people or money to look after them properly. Our betters have decided in their infinite wisdom that importing a million people per year will solve the problem, which just creates new problems. Whatever level of tax is necessary to look after the oldies will just have to be levyed and paid, even if its high, because if they don't we will be condemning millions of people to die undignified and painful deaths. Much as I disdain boomers and their wacky worldview I draw the line at seeing them die in their own poo whilst crying with bedsores. Any new politics for the 2020s, whatever you call it, has to cope with that.
Stewards decision - stand by folks, the race results could be about to change. According to the @FIA over 1200 instances where a car may have exceeded track limits were reported during the race
The car fully over the white line that denotes the extent of the width of the circuit. In these instances being totally out on a kerb or piece of run-off tarmac. The rule is you can do this three times, fourth time you get a penalty (5 seconds).
Edit - 4th time might be a black and white flag and 5th time might be the penalty, I always get confused. But basically you only get a few infringements.
Suella Braverman’s rhetoric about child sexual abuse and grooming gangs has cost her the support of an influential Conservative backer, Steve Baker, in a sign her hardline approach to culture war issues could hamper her chances of becoming Tory leader.
Baker, a Tory MP on the Brexiter right of the party, who is now a Northern Ireland minister, was Braverman’s de facto campaign manager when she stood to succeed Boris Johnson as Conservative leader and prime minister last summer.
While Braverman, now the home secretary, was eliminated in the second round of MPs’ voting, her candidacy was seen as a marker for a possible future contest, one likely if the Conservatives lose the next general election.
However, it is understood Baker has decided he would not back Braverman again because of serious concerns over the way she has approached the issue of so-called grooming gangs.
"What makes this inaction by the Home Office so contemptible is the contrast with the way politicians jump on these issues when they think it makes them look good or if they can attack an opponent. Suella Braverman did just that with her recent comments on grooming gangs and ethnicity, claiming that it was political correctness which prevented action. And yet when given the opportunity to act her department does little or nothing."
If that is why Baker is no longer supporting her, good for him.
I can imagine Steve Baker also beginning to wonder what his obituary will say, and what his most convincing explanation will be at the Pearly Gates. I don't think he entered public life to support Suella de Vil really.
I wonder which other prominent Conservatives will be weighing up the merits of a (professional) deathbed conversion. My money is on Gove.
Suella Braverman’s rhetoric about child sexual abuse and grooming gangs has cost her the support of an influential Conservative backer, Steve Baker, in a sign her hardline approach to culture war issues could hamper her chances of becoming Tory leader.
Baker, a Tory MP on the Brexiter right of the party, who is now a Northern Ireland minister, was Braverman’s de facto campaign manager when she stood to succeed Boris Johnson as Conservative leader and prime minister last summer.
While Braverman, now the home secretary, was eliminated in the second round of MPs’ voting, her candidacy was seen as a marker for a possible future contest, one likely if the Conservatives lose the next general election.
However, it is understood Baker has decided he would not back Braverman again because of serious concerns over the way she has approached the issue of so-called grooming gangs.
As Baker will almost certainly lose his marginal Wycombe seat to Labour at the general election I doubt Suella cares.
By the time she likely runs for Tory Leader of the Opposition, Baker will be a very ex MP and not even able to vote in the MP rounds
And that sums up you and the whole sorry story of the right and Johnson as your hero
You are actually celebrating the career end of a conservative mp
Shame on you, and go and join RefUK as that is where you and the ERG truly belong
More than one of your posts of late have celebrated what you believe will be the end of various Tory MPs' careers. Perhaps you should take some of the shame you seem so keen to dish out.
Sadly because of Johnson and your beloved Truss conservative mps across the land are facing a career ending election
The conservative party will only obtain office by moving to the centre ground (one nation conservatives) and marginalising those who have brought it into shame and disrepute
Thatcher won from the right three times, as did Boris on Brexit at least in 2019. On the other side Attlee won for Labour from the left twice. The centre ground isn't the only electable option 100% of the time, even if it is most of the time
Thatcher was closer to the centre than Michael Foot. The Clown was closer to the centre than Mr. Thicky.
Thatcher wasn't closer to the centre than Callaghan in 1979 though and arguably not closer to the centre than Kinnock either in 1987.
Stewards decision - stand by folks, the race results could be about to change. According to the @FIA over 1200 instances where a car may have exceeded track limits were reported during the race
The lines painted on the side of the track. Go across them with all four wheels, and you’ve ‘exceeded track limits’. It’s a regulation irregularly enforced, to put it mildly.
Is Ben stokes the greatest all round cricketer ever? I’d say yes. That was certainly the best innings of Test cricket I’ve ever personally witnessed. He’s phenomenal
Cricketing all-rounders who have become Prime Minister: Alec Douglas-Home; Imran Khan. Any others? CB Fry was reputedly offered the Albanian throne but he did not bowl.
I’m sure Trump would tell you that he’s a fabulous all rounder if you asked him.
He looks as though he is engaging in a bit of ball tampering there
Odd bones in his feet or some such might have restricted him from becoming a cricketing great. I'm sure that his inability to shine in Viet-Nam is a very depressing thing. Happily he can console himself with chats with Joe Biden, and really almost all of the current US political elite.
Stewards decision - stand by folks, the race results could be about to change. According to the @FIA over 1200 instances where a car may have exceeded track limits were reported during the race
In short, you have to keep at least one wheel on the track, if all four wheels aren't on the track then you get warnings, repeated infractions leads to time penalties.
Today several drivers were penalised but if the rumours are true the stewards only picked up on 300 of the 1,200 infractions.
Stewards decision - stand by folks, the race results could be about to change. According to the @FIA over 1200 instances where a car may have exceeded track limits were reported during the race
The car fully over the white line that denotes the extent of the width of the circuit. In these instances being totally out on a kerb or piece of run-off tarmac. The rule is you can do this three times, fourth time you get a penalty (5 seconds).
Cheers. It was the language in part that confused me - exceeding seems a strange way to refer to it. And the fact they are saying there were 1200 instances kind of makes mockery of the whole thing to my mind. On the basis of what you just explained, that would mean they should have issued around 300 5 second penalties.
Suella Braverman’s rhetoric about child sexual abuse and grooming gangs has cost her the support of an influential Conservative backer, Steve Baker, in a sign her hardline approach to culture war issues could hamper her chances of becoming Tory leader.
Baker, a Tory MP on the Brexiter right of the party, who is now a Northern Ireland minister, was Braverman’s de facto campaign manager when she stood to succeed Boris Johnson as Conservative leader and prime minister last summer.
While Braverman, now the home secretary, was eliminated in the second round of MPs’ voting, her candidacy was seen as a marker for a possible future contest, one likely if the Conservatives lose the next general election.
However, it is understood Baker has decided he would not back Braverman again because of serious concerns over the way she has approached the issue of so-called grooming gangs.
As Baker will almost certainly lose his marginal Wycombe seat to Labour at the general election I doubt Suella cares.
By the time she likely runs for Tory Leader of the Opposition, Baker will be a very ex MP and not even able to vote in the MP rounds
And that sums up you and the whole sorry story of the right and Johnson as your hero
You are actually celebrating the career end of a conservative mp
Shame on you, and go and join RefUK as that is where you and the ERG truly belong
More than one of your posts of late have celebrated what you believe will be the end of various Tory MPs' careers. Perhaps you should take some of the shame you seem so keen to dish out.
Sadly because of Johnson and your beloved Truss conservative mps across the land are facing a career ending election
The conservative party will only obtain office by moving to the centre ground (one nation conservatives) and marginalising those who have brought it into shame and disrepute
Thatcher won from the right three times, as did Boris on Brexit at least in 2019. On the other side Attlee won for Labour from the left twice. The centre ground isn't the only electable option 100% of the time, even if it is most of the time
A silly spat that originated with someone posting a picture of Tina Turner and her ex-husband. Someone else implying that meant they thought domestic violence was OK, and the first person concluding that the second person's comment reflected a contemptuous attitude to black and Asian people who didn't share her political views.
Both of them should have something better to do with their time.
Too many tweets make a
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I knew Musk was mad, but I didn't think he was stupid. The average twitter user will scroll six hundred or whatever posts in half an hour (skipping over 95% of them). Never seen someone so intent on Ratnering their own brand.
I don't know if it's a weekend effect, but as the frequency of twitter posts have decreased, PB has become much more fun. Ok it's now full of cricket and F1 fans, but you can't have everything. 😀
Have we all read Cory Doctorow's thesis on "enshittification", the process that all social media goes through as a result of platforms extracting value to the point of killing the golden goose?
When you think about it, PB has outlived most social media platforms - here before Facebook which is a dead platform now, Instagram dying, Twitter taking a very rapid turn for the worse...
The interesting thing about the Doctorow idea is that you'd imagine social media platforms would learn from the mistakes of their predecessors, but it keeps happening because of the way the capitalist system itself demands the extraction of value. On reading it, I couldn't help but wonder if the UK was being "enshittified" in the same way.
The same thing happened to the lad magazines
Suits took over and demanded maximum profit for minimum effort which made the product worse and worse - and then they fell off a cliff coz they couldn’t compete with free shit on the internet. There was nothing worth paying for
Oh god, lads mags, yes. I got a letter published in FHM when I was a teen and completely forgot about it until lockdown. Having no idea what issue it was in I bought a job lot of FHMs (pretty much everything for a decade) between 1996-2005ish which was when I was a reader.
You can see the decline over those years, from some pretty funny, tongue in cheek, gonzo type stuff, to people just phoning it in by the end. And Grub Smith! I forgot about him... I understand it staggered on for another decade after that but by then was just a paint by numbers jobbie. Even Viz feels that way these days, and that was still good well into the 2000s.
Off on a tangent, but another interesting comment I saw on the FT recently - Martin Amis was the Jordan Peterson of his time, bit of a guru for young lads trying to figure out how to be men. FHM very much filled that gap for me as a teen in the 90s. Young men need older men to tell them how it all works, and I kinda feel sad that this generation is stuck with Andrew Tate when we had Amis and FHM...
If you want to learn how to be a man, listen to a woman
I wish that were the case. Men need healthy male role models growing up. Try reversing your statement: "if you want to learn how to be a woman, listen to a man" and you'll see how absurd it sounds.
A silly spat that originated with someone posting a picture of Tina Turner and her ex-husband. Someone else implying that meant they thought domestic violence was OK, and the first person concluding that the second person's comment reflected a contemptuous attitude to black and Asian people who didn't share her political views.
Both of them should have something better to do with their time.
Too many tweets make a
(your daily view count has been exceeded, please pay $8 to continue scrolling).
I knew Musk was mad, but I didn't think he was stupid. The average twitter user will scroll six hundred or whatever posts in half an hour (skipping over 95% of them). Never seen someone so intent on Ratnering their own brand.
I don't know if it's a weekend effect, but as the frequency of twitter posts have decreased, PB has become much more fun. Ok it's now full of cricket and F1 fans, but you can't have everything. 😀
Have we all read Cory Doctorow's thesis on "enshittification", the process that all social media goes through as a result of platforms extracting value to the point of killing the golden goose?
When you think about it, PB has outlived most social media platforms - here before Facebook which is a dead platform now, Instagram dying, Twitter taking a very rapid turn for the worse...
The interesting thing about the Doctorow idea is that you'd imagine social media platforms would learn from the mistakes of their predecessors, but it keeps happening because of the way the capitalist system itself demands the extraction of value. On reading it, I couldn't help but wonder if the UK was being "enshittified" in the same way.
The same thing happened to the lad magazines
Suits took over and demanded maximum profit for minimum effort which made the product worse and worse - and then they fell off a cliff coz they couldn’t compete with free shit on the internet. There was nothing worth paying for
Oh god, lads mags, yes. I got a letter published in FHM when I was a teen and completely forgot about it until lockdown. Having no idea what issue it was in I bought a job lot of FHMs (pretty much everything for a decade) between 1996-2005ish which was when I was a reader.
You can see the decline over those years, from some pretty funny, tongue in cheek, gonzo type stuff, to people just phoning it in by the end. And Grub Smith! I forgot about him... I understand it staggered on for another decade after that but by then was just a paint by numbers jobbie. Even Viz feels that way these days, and that was still good well into the 2000s.
Off on a tangent, but another interesting comment I saw on the FT recently - Martin Amis was the Jordan Peterson of his time, bit of a guru for young lads trying to figure out how to be men. FHM very much filled that gap for me as a teen in the 90s. Young men need older men to tell them how it all works, and I kinda feel sad that this generation is stuck with Andrew Tate when we had Amis and FHM...
If you want to learn how to be a man, listen to a woman
FHM had plenty of interviews with women... oh, not like that.
But yes. Amis and FHM seemed ghastly at the time, now they are the last stand of a better, more innocent age.
(And to +1 an earlier point in this thread, journalism is an excellent example of where a free market and profit motive don't improve the quality of the product.)
Suella Braverman’s rhetoric about child sexual abuse and grooming gangs has cost her the support of an influential Conservative backer, Steve Baker, in a sign her hardline approach to culture war issues could hamper her chances of becoming Tory leader.
Baker, a Tory MP on the Brexiter right of the party, who is now a Northern Ireland minister, was Braverman’s de facto campaign manager when she stood to succeed Boris Johnson as Conservative leader and prime minister last summer.
While Braverman, now the home secretary, was eliminated in the second round of MPs’ voting, her candidacy was seen as a marker for a possible future contest, one likely if the Conservatives lose the next general election.
However, it is understood Baker has decided he would not back Braverman again because of serious concerns over the way she has approached the issue of so-called grooming gangs.
As Baker will almost certainly lose his marginal Wycombe seat to Labour at the general election I doubt Suella cares.
By the time she likely runs for Tory Leader of the Opposition, Baker will be a very ex MP and not even able to vote in the MP rounds
And that sums up you and the whole sorry story of the right and Johnson as your hero
You are actually celebrating the career end of a conservative mp
Shame on you, and go and join RefUK as that is where you and the ERG truly belong
I first heard this said by a Labour member in the 1990s, but I'm sure the gag is older than that;
We can't chuck all the nutters out, there would be nobody left.
As I said early this morning the conservative party are in a grave position as they tear themselves apart and the country looks on in anger
The way to win elections is in the centre ground which Starmer and Reeves have claimed , while Johnson and his disciples lack of self awareness is unbelievable and frankly they are hiding in the conservative party and destroying from within like a Trojan horse when their true allegiance is with RefUK and Farage
Post GE24 if the right have their way and the disgraceful Braverman is anywhere near power, than I am political homeless as are many millions of other one nation conservatives
I am sure you could vote for Starmer as you did for Blair twice if Sunak loses the next election and a more rightwing Tory becomes leader
I most certainly will not vote for your RefUk light party, and for our country's sake I hope that common sense, decency, integrity and honesty are reestablished in time in the conservative party and you and the ERG are marginalised as per Corbyn in labour
The wets will entirely own the coming defeat.
I look forward to the next proper Tory government; when it happens it won't contain the likes of Rishi and Hunt, I suspect.
How so?
The Conservatives are in the mess they find themselves in because of Truss and Kwarteng's absurd budget which was lauded by all the moon howlers as the first truly Conservative budget in living memory.
Sunak and Hunt have done a stunning job considering what Truss left them with.
Piss off. The mini budget was masterful compared to the economic vandalism meted out by Sunak/Hunt since. The more grounded Sunak fans now acknowledge as much, and (rightly) bemoan Kwarteng/Truss's presentation of the budget not its content.
Don't be silly. Truss completely finished off the last vestiges of the Conservatives USP as being most sensible with the economy. It was just completely and utterly dumb, and it was nothing to do with it's "presentation", it was to do with the fact that that the markets all thought it was fucking insane.
The much vaunted 'markets' think that a Sunak-led economy now is a worse credit risk than a Truss-led economy at the height of the mini-budget kerfuffle. So when is Sunak resigning in disgrace?
Why do you put the word markets within disdainful inverted commas? Are you secretly a Corbyn fan?
The mini budget was a car crash. Anyone trying to excuse it is as economically and politically illiterate as Liz Truss. Sunak is doing exactly what Margaret Thatcher did - first attempt to create stability, then the more radical approaches can be followed from a position of strength at a later date. Anything else is just kindergarten stuff; fantasy economics that leads to disaster.
Given that you appear to dispute the verdict of the markets that the strong and stable Government of Sunak Hunt is less likely to repay its debts than the Truss Government at its worst, it appears to be you that disdains the markets, not me.
Stewards decision - stand by folks, the race results could be about to change. According to the @FIA over 1200 instances where a car may have exceeded track limits were reported during the race
The car fully over the white line that denotes the extent of the width of the circuit. In these instances being totally out on a kerb or piece of run-off tarmac. The rule is you can do this three times, fourth time you get a penalty (5 seconds).
Cheers. It was the language in part that confused me - exceeding seems a strange way to refer to it. And the fact they are saying there were 1200 instances kind of makes mockery of the whole thing to my mind. On the basis of what you just explained, that would mean they should have issued around 300 5 second penalties.
If there were genuinely 1,200 infractions, it would equate approximately to every driver (on average) exceeding track limits once every single lap of the race, given there were 20 drivers doing circa 70 laps. So yes mockery is a good word for it I think.
Is Ben stokes the greatest all round cricketer ever? I’d say yes. That was certainly the best innings of Test cricket I’ve ever personally witnessed. He’s phenomenal
Cricketing all-rounders who have become Prime Minister: Alec Douglas-Home; Imran Khan. Any others? CB Fry was reputedly offered the Albanian throne but he did not bowl.
I’m sure Trump would tell you that he’s a fabulous all rounder if you asked him.
New Zealand’s first PM played a couple of first class matches.
OT - Thing that's puzzling me re: the abject paucity of SNP fundraising since the Queen Fish took her dive into the deep end of the pool, and never came up:
So SNP does NOT have setup, to get small donors to cough up say £20 every month via automatic credit/debit card deductions?
Certainly the party would seem to have a pretty sizable, er, pool of potential donors at this non-fatcat level?
OR is this NOT something done by UK political parties, for legal or other reasons?
Pretty much ubiquitous in US. Also infamous re: with some politicos & etc, for example #45.
Likely they do. However the 20 quid monthly donations for whatever party ARE NOT disclosed to the Electoral Commission, so they don't show up in these disclosures.
Suella Braverman’s rhetoric about child sexual abuse and grooming gangs has cost her the support of an influential Conservative backer, Steve Baker, in a sign her hardline approach to culture war issues could hamper her chances of becoming Tory leader.
Baker, a Tory MP on the Brexiter right of the party, who is now a Northern Ireland minister, was Braverman’s de facto campaign manager when she stood to succeed Boris Johnson as Conservative leader and prime minister last summer.
While Braverman, now the home secretary, was eliminated in the second round of MPs’ voting, her candidacy was seen as a marker for a possible future contest, one likely if the Conservatives lose the next general election.
However, it is understood Baker has decided he would not back Braverman again because of serious concerns over the way she has approached the issue of so-called grooming gangs.
As Baker will almost certainly lose his marginal Wycombe seat to Labour at the general election I doubt Suella cares.
By the time she likely runs for Tory Leader of the Opposition, Baker will be a very ex MP and not even able to vote in the MP rounds
And that sums up you and the whole sorry story of the right and Johnson as your hero
You are actually celebrating the career end of a conservative mp
Shame on you, and go and join RefUK as that is where you and the ERG truly belong
More than one of your posts of late have celebrated what you believe will be the end of various Tory MPs' careers. Perhaps you should take some of the shame you seem so keen to dish out.
Sadly because of Johnson and your beloved Truss conservative mps across the land are facing a career ending election
The conservative party will only obtain office by moving to the centre ground (one nation conservatives) and marginalising those who have brought it into shame and disrepute
Thatcher won from the right three times, as did Boris on Brexit at least in 2019. On the other side Attlee won for Labour from the left twice. The centre ground isn't the only electable option 100% of the time, even if it is most of the time
Thatcher was closer to the centre than Michael Foot. The Clown was closer to the centre than Mr. Thicky.
Thatcher wasn't closer to the centre than Callaghan in 1979 though and arguably not closer to the centre than Kinnock either in 1987.
By the current Johnsonian/Trussian iteration of the Conservative Party, Thatcher (of whom I was never a fan) would be considered a raging Trot.
Thatcher would have baulked at the idea of Braverman, 30p Lee or Jonathan Gullis anywhere near the levers of Government.
OT - Thing that's puzzling me re: the abject paucity of SNP fundraising since the Queen Fish took her dive into the deep end of the pool, and never came up:
So SNP does NOT have setup, to get small donors to cough up say £20 every month via automatic credit/debit card deductions?
Certainly the party would seem to have a pretty sizable, er, pool of potential donors at this non-fatcat level?
OR is this NOT something done by UK political parties, for legal or other re be made publicasons?
Pretty much ubiquitous in US. Also infamous re: with some politicos & etc, for example #45.
The SNP will charge its members a membership fee, and it will certainly encourage people to donate by standing order. The donation totals in this case are, I think, of donations above the reporting threshold - which I think is £2,000 - above which the identity of the donor has to be made public.
Suella Braverman’s rhetoric about child sexual abuse and grooming gangs has cost her the support of an influential Conservative backer, Steve Baker, in a sign her hardline approach to culture war issues could hamper her chances of becoming Tory leader.
Baker, a Tory MP on the Brexiter right of the party, who is now a Northern Ireland minister, was Braverman’s de facto campaign manager when she stood to succeed Boris Johnson as Conservative leader and prime minister last summer.
While Braverman, now the home secretary, was eliminated in the second round of MPs’ voting, her candidacy was seen as a marker for a possible future contest, one likely if the Conservatives lose the next general election.
However, it is understood Baker has decided he would not back Braverman again because of serious concerns over the way she has approached the issue of so-called grooming gangs.
As Baker will almost certainly lose his marginal Wycombe seat to Labour at the general election I doubt Suella cares.
By the time she likely runs for Tory Leader of the Opposition, Baker will be a very ex MP and not even able to vote in the MP rounds
And that sums up you and the whole sorry story of the right and Johnson as your hero
You are actually celebrating the career end of a conservative mp
Shame on you, and go and join RefUK as that is where you and the ERG truly belong
More than one of your posts of late have celebrated what you believe will be the end of various Tory MPs' careers. Perhaps you should take some of the shame you seem so keen to dish out.
Sadly because of Johnson and your beloved Truss conservative mps across the land are facing a career ending election
The conservative party will only obtain office by moving to the centre ground (one nation conservatives) and marginalising those who have brought it into shame and disrepute
Thatcher won from the right three times, as did Boris on Brexit at least in 2019. On the other side Attlee won for Labour from the left twice. The centre ground isn't the only electable option 100% of the time, even if it is most of the time
Thatcher was closer to the centre than Michael Foot. The Clown was closer to the centre than Mr. Thicky.
Thatcher wasn't closer to the centre than Callaghan in 1979 though and arguably not closer to the centre than Kinnock either in 1987.
Re 1979: As @Stuartinromford said she did not position herself as radical as she turned out to be. It is also a reasonable interpretation that Labour looked to be very much in hock to the unions and therefore it could be argued that the centre ground, where most of the very fed up public were, was right under Thatcher and Labour were way off to the left with the unions
OT - Thing that's puzzling me re: the abject paucity of SNP fundraising since the Queen Fish took her dive into the deep end of the pool, and never came up:
So SNP does NOT have setup, to get small donors to cough up say £20 every month via automatic credit/debit card deductions?
Certainly the party would seem to have a pretty sizable, er, pool of potential donors at this non-fatcat level?
OR is this NOT something done by UK political parties, for legal or other re be made publicasons?
Pretty much ubiquitous in US. Also infamous re: with some politicos & etc, for example #45.
The SNP will charge its members a membership fee, and it will certainly encourage people to donate by standing order. The donation totals in this case are, I think, of donations above the reporting threshold - which I think is £2,000 - above which the identity of the donor has to be made public.
So they will have a bit more than £4,000.
Indeed. After all, the whole £600k indyref "ring-fenced" fund thing, whether it's been mis-appropriated or not, would have been collated through numerous micro-donations along those lines as you say.
Suella Braverman’s rhetoric about child sexual abuse and grooming gangs has cost her the support of an influential Conservative backer, Steve Baker, in a sign her hardline approach to culture war issues could hamper her chances of becoming Tory leader.
Baker, a Tory MP on the Brexiter right of the party, who is now a Northern Ireland minister, was Braverman’s de facto campaign manager when she stood to succeed Boris Johnson as Conservative leader and prime minister last summer.
While Braverman, now the home secretary, was eliminated in the second round of MPs’ voting, her candidacy was seen as a marker for a possible future contest, one likely if the Conservatives lose the next general election.
However, it is understood Baker has decided he would not back Braverman again because of serious concerns over the way she has approached the issue of so-called grooming gangs.
As Baker will almost certainly lose his marginal Wycombe seat to Labour at the general election I doubt Suella cares.
By the time she likely runs for Tory Leader of the Opposition, Baker will be a very ex MP and not even able to vote in the MP rounds
And that sums up you and the whole sorry story of the right and Johnson as your hero
You are actually celebrating the career end of a conservative mp
Shame on you, and go and join RefUK as that is where you and the ERG truly belong
More than one of your posts of late have celebrated what you believe will be the end of various Tory MPs' careers. Perhaps you should take some of the shame you seem so keen to dish out.
Sadly because of Johnson and your beloved Truss conservative mps across the land are facing a career ending election
The conservative party will only obtain office by moving to the centre ground (one nation conservatives) and marginalising those who have brought it into shame and disrepute
Thatcher won from the right three times, as did Boris on Brexit at least in 2019. On the other side Attlee won for Labour from the left twice. The centre ground isn't the only electable option 100% of the time, even if it is most of the time
Thatcher was closer to the centre than Michael Foot. The Clown was closer to the centre than Mr. Thicky.
Thatcher wasn't closer to the centre than Callaghan in 1979 though and arguably not closer to the centre than Kinnock either in 1987.
Re 1979: As @Stuartinromford said she did not position herself as radical as she turned out to be. It is also a reasonable interpretation that Labour looked to be very much in hock to the unions and therefore it could be argued that the centre ground, where most of the very fed up public were, was right under Thatcher and Labour were way off to the left with the unions
It's all so long ago it's tough to recall, but I think Keith Joseph might have thought of himself as a little radical.
A silly spat that originated with someone posting a picture of Tina Turner and her ex-husband. Someone else implying that meant they thought domestic violence was OK, and the first person concluding that the second person's comment reflected a contemptuous attitude to black and Asian people who didn't share her political views.
Both of them should have something better to do with their time.
Too many tweets make a
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I knew Musk was mad, but I didn't think he was stupid. The average twitter user will scroll six hundred or whatever posts in half an hour (skipping over 95% of them). Never seen someone so intent on Ratnering their own brand.
I don't know if it's a weekend effect, but as the frequency of twitter posts have decreased, PB has become much more fun. Ok it's now full of cricket and F1 fans, but you can't have everything. 😀
Have we all read Cory Doctorow's thesis on "enshittification", the process that all social media goes through as a result of platforms extracting value to the point of killing the golden goose?
When you think about it, PB has outlived most social media platforms - here before Facebook which is a dead platform now, Instagram dying, Twitter taking a very rapid turn for the worse...
The interesting thing about the Doctorow idea is that you'd imagine social media platforms would learn from the mistakes of their predecessors, but it keeps happening because of the way the capitalist system itself demands the extraction of value. On reading it, I couldn't help but wonder if the UK was being "enshittified" in the same way.
The same thing happened to the lad magazines
Suits took over and demanded maximum profit for minimum effort which made the product worse and worse - and then they fell off a cliff coz they couldn’t compete with free shit on the internet. There was nothing worth paying for
Oh god, lads mags, yes. I got a letter published in FHM when I was a teen and completely forgot about it until lockdown. Having no idea what issue it was in I bought a job lot of FHMs (pretty much everything for a decade) between 1996-2005ish which was when I was a reader.
You can see the decline over those years, from some pretty funny, tongue in cheek, gonzo type stuff, to people just phoning it in by the end. And Grub Smith! I forgot about him... I understand it staggered on for another decade after that but by then was just a paint by numbers jobbie. Even Viz feels that way these days, and that was still good well into the 2000s.
Off on a tangent, but another interesting comment I saw on the FT recently - Martin Amis was the Jordan Peterson of his time, bit of a guru for young lads trying to figure out how to be men. FHM very much filled that gap for me as a teen in the 90s. Young men need older men to tell them how it all works, and I kinda feel sad that this generation is stuck with Andrew Tate when we had Amis and FHM...
If you want to learn how to be a man, listen to a woman
I wish that were the case. Men need healthy male role models growing up. Try reversing your statement: "if you want to learn how to be a woman, listen to a man" and you'll see how absurd it sounds.
A silly spat that originated with someone posting a picture of Tina Turner and her ex-husband. Someone else implying that meant they thought domestic violence was OK, and the first person concluding that the second person's comment reflected a contemptuous attitude to black and Asian people who didn't share her political views.
Both of them should have something better to do with their time.
Too many tweets make a
(your daily view count has been exceeded, please pay $8 to continue scrolling).
I knew Musk was mad, but I didn't think he was stupid. The average twitter user will scroll six hundred or whatever posts in half an hour (skipping over 95% of them). Never seen someone so intent on Ratnering their own brand.
I don't know if it's a weekend effect, but as the frequency of twitter posts have decreased, PB has become much more fun. Ok it's now full of cricket and F1 fans, but you can't have everything. 😀
Have we all read Cory Doctorow's thesis on "enshittification", the process that all social media goes through as a result of platforms extracting value to the point of killing the golden goose?
When you think about it, PB has outlived most social media platforms - here before Facebook which is a dead platform now, Instagram dying, Twitter taking a very rapid turn for the worse...
The interesting thing about the Doctorow idea is that you'd imagine social media platforms would learn from the mistakes of their predecessors, but it keeps happening because of the way the capitalist system itself demands the extraction of value. On reading it, I couldn't help but wonder if the UK was being "enshittified" in the same way.
The same thing happened to the lad magazines
Suits took over and demanded maximum profit for minimum effort which made the product worse and worse - and then they fell off a cliff coz they couldn’t compete with free shit on the internet. There was nothing worth paying for
Oh god, lads mags, yes. I got a letter published in FHM when I was a teen and completely forgot about it until lockdown. Having no idea what issue it was in I bought a job lot of FHMs (pretty much everything for a decade) between 1996-2005ish which was when I was a reader.
You can see the decline over those years, from some pretty funny, tongue in cheek, gonzo type stuff, to people just phoning it in by the end. And Grub Smith! I forgot about him... I understand it staggered on for another decade after that but by then was just a paint by numbers jobbie. Even Viz feels that way these days, and that was still good well into the 2000s.
Off on a tangent, but another interesting comment I saw on the FT recently - Martin Amis was the Jordan Peterson of his time, bit of a guru for young lads trying to figure out how to be men. FHM very much filled that gap for me as a teen in the 90s. Young men need older men to tell them how it all works, and I kinda feel sad that this generation is stuck with Andrew Tate when we had Amis and FHM...
A silly spat that originated with someone posting a picture of Tina Turner and her ex-husband. Someone else implying that meant they thought domestic violence was OK, and the first person concluding that the second person's comment reflected a contemptuous attitude to black and Asian people who didn't share her political views.
Both of them should have something better to do with their time.
Too many tweets make a
(your daily view count has been exceeded, please pay $8 to continue scrolling).
I knew Musk was mad, but I didn't think he was stupid. The average twitter user will scroll six hundred or whatever posts in half an hour (skipping over 95% of them). Never seen someone so intent on Ratnering their own brand.
I don't know if it's a weekend effect, but as the frequency of twitter posts have decreased, PB has become much more fun. Ok it's now full of cricket and F1 fans, but you can't have everything. 😀
Have we all read Cory Doctorow's thesis on "enshittification", the process that all social media goes through as a result of platforms extracting value to the point of killing the golden goose?
When you think about it, PB has outlived most social media platforms - here before Facebook which is a dead platform now, Instagram dying, Twitter taking a very rapid turn for the worse...
The interesting thing about the Doctorow idea is that you'd imagine social media platforms would learn from the mistakes of their predecessors, but it keeps happening because of the way the capitalist system itself demands the extraction of value. On reading it, I couldn't help but wonder if the UK was being "enshittified" in the same way.
The same thing happened to the lad magazines
Suits took over and demanded maximum profit for minimum effort which made the product worse and worse - and then they fell off a cliff coz they couldn’t compete with free shit on the internet. There was nothing worth paying for
Oh god, lads mags, yes. I got a letter published in FHM when I was a teen and completely forgot about it until lockdown. Having no idea what issue it was in I bought a job lot of FHMs (pretty much everything for a decade) between 1996-2005ish which was when I was a reader.
You can see the decline over those years, from some pretty funny, tongue in cheek, gonzo type stuff, to people just phoning it in by the end. And Grub Smith! I forgot about him... I understand it staggered on for another decade after that but by then was just a paint by numbers jobbie. Even Viz feels that way these days, and that was still good well into the 2000s.
Off on a tangent, but another interesting comment I saw on the FT recently - Martin Amis was the Jordan Peterson of his time, bit of a guru for young lads trying to figure out how to be men. FHM very much filled that gap for me as a teen in the 90s. Young men need older men to tell them how it all works, and I kinda feel sad that this generation is stuck with Andrew Tate when we had Amis and FHM...
Suella Braverman’s rhetoric about child sexual abuse and grooming gangs has cost her the support of an influential Conservative backer, Steve Baker, in a sign her hardline approach to culture war issues could hamper her chances of becoming Tory leader.
Baker, a Tory MP on the Brexiter right of the party, who is now a Northern Ireland minister, was Braverman’s de facto campaign manager when she stood to succeed Boris Johnson as Conservative leader and prime minister last summer.
While Braverman, now the home secretary, was eliminated in the second round of MPs’ voting, her candidacy was seen as a marker for a possible future contest, one likely if the Conservatives lose the next general election.
However, it is understood Baker has decided he would not back Braverman again because of serious concerns over the way she has approached the issue of so-called grooming gangs.
As Baker will almost certainly lose his marginal Wycombe seat to Labour at the general election I doubt Suella cares.
By the time she likely runs for Tory Leader of the Opposition, Baker will be a very ex MP and not even able to vote in the MP rounds
And that sums up you and the whole sorry story of the right and Johnson as your hero
You are actually celebrating the career end of a conservative mp
Shame on you, and go and join RefUK as that is where you and the ERG truly belong
More than one of your posts of late have celebrated what you believe will be the end of various Tory MPs' careers. Perhaps you should take some of the shame you seem so keen to dish out.
Sadly because of Johnson and your beloved Truss conservative mps across the land are facing a career ending election
The conservative party will only obtain office by moving to the centre ground (one nation conservatives) and marginalising those who have brought it into shame and disrepute
Thatcher won from the right three times, as did Boris on Brexit at least in 2019. On the other side Attlee won for Labour from the left twice. The centre ground isn't the only electable option 100% of the time, even if it is most of the time
Thatcher was closer to the centre than Michael Foot. The Clown was closer to the centre than Mr. Thicky.
Thatcher wasn't closer to the centre than Callaghan in 1979 though and arguably not closer to the centre than Kinnock either in 1987.
By the current Johnsonian/Trussian iteration of the Conservative Party, Thatcher (of whom I was never a fan) would be considered a raging Trot.
Thatcher would have baulked at the idea of Braverman, 30p Lee or Jonathan Gullis anywhere near the levers of Government.
Nothing wrong with Braverman. I think Thatcher would have quite liked her. A decade earning her wings and she'll be ready for middling office. (Braverman's presumption is astonishing)
A silly spat that originated with someone posting a picture of Tina Turner and her ex-husband. Someone else implying that meant they thought domestic violence was OK, and the first person concluding that the second person's comment reflected a contemptuous attitude to black and Asian people who didn't share her political views.
Both of them should have something better to do with their time.
Too many tweets make a
(your daily view count has been exceeded, please pay $8 to continue scrolling).
I knew Musk was mad, but I didn't think he was stupid. The average twitter user will scroll six hundred or whatever posts in half an hour (skipping over 95% of them). Never seen someone so intent on Ratnering their own brand.
I don't know if it's a weekend effect, but as the frequency of twitter posts have decreased, PB has become much more fun. Ok it's now full of cricket and F1 fans, but you can't have everything. 😀
Have we all read Cory Doctorow's thesis on "enshittification", the process that all social media goes through as a result of platforms extracting value to the point of killing the golden goose?
When you think about it, PB has outlived most social media platforms - here before Facebook which is a dead platform now, Instagram dying, Twitter taking a very rapid turn for the worse...
The interesting thing about the Doctorow idea is that you'd imagine social media platforms would learn from the mistakes of their predecessors, but it keeps happening because of the way the capitalist system itself demands the extraction of value. On reading it, I couldn't help but wonder if the UK was being "enshittified" in the same way.
The same thing happened to the lad magazines
Suits took over and demanded maximum profit for minimum effort which made the product worse and worse - and then they fell off a cliff coz they couldn’t compete with free shit on the internet. There was nothing worth paying for
Oh god, lads mags, yes. I got a letter published in FHM when I was a teen and completely forgot about it until lockdown. Having no idea what issue it was in I bought a job lot of FHMs (pretty much everything for a decade) between 1996-2005ish which was when I was a reader.
You can see the decline over those years, from some pretty funny, tongue in cheek, gonzo type stuff, to people just phoning it in by the end. And Grub Smith! I forgot about him... I understand it staggered on for another decade after that but by then was just a paint by numbers jobbie. Even Viz feels that way these days, and that was still good well into the 2000s.
Off on a tangent, but another interesting comment I saw on the FT recently - Martin Amis was the Jordan Peterson of his time, bit of a guru for young lads trying to figure out how to be men. FHM very much filled that gap for me as a teen in the 90s. Young men need older men to tell them how it all works, and I kinda feel sad that this generation is stuck with Andrew Tate when we had Amis and FHM...
If you want to learn how to be a man, listen to a woman
I wish that were the case. Men need healthy male role models growing up. Try reversing your statement: "if you want to learn how to be a woman, listen to a man" and you'll see how absurd it sounds.
Bot of both being true perhaps. "listen to a woman" is good advice, but at the end of the day it is putting a lot on only one thing in order to make good slogan, and slogans, like memes, are not intended as the be all and end all.
It's probably a meme about how you should not put your trust in memes.
Suella Braverman’s rhetoric about child sexual abuse and grooming gangs has cost her the support of an influential Conservative backer, Steve Baker, in a sign her hardline approach to culture war issues could hamper her chances of becoming Tory leader.
Baker, a Tory MP on the Brexiter right of the party, who is now a Northern Ireland minister, was Braverman’s de facto campaign manager when she stood to succeed Boris Johnson as Conservative leader and prime minister last summer.
While Braverman, now the home secretary, was eliminated in the second round of MPs’ voting, her candidacy was seen as a marker for a possible future contest, one likely if the Conservatives lose the next general election.
However, it is understood Baker has decided he would not back Braverman again because of serious concerns over the way she has approached the issue of so-called grooming gangs.
As Baker will almost certainly lose his marginal Wycombe seat to Labour at the general election I doubt Suella cares.
By the time she likely runs for Tory Leader of the Opposition, Baker will be a very ex MP and not even able to vote in the MP rounds
And that sums up you and the whole sorry story of the right and Johnson as your hero
You are actually celebrating the career end of a conservative mp
Shame on you, and go and join RefUK as that is where you and the ERG truly belong
More than one of your posts of late have celebrated what you believe will be the end of various Tory MPs' careers. Perhaps you should take some of the shame you seem so keen to dish out.
Sadly because of Johnson and your beloved Truss conservative mps across the land are facing a career ending election
The conservative party will only obtain office by moving to the centre ground (one nation conservatives) and marginalising those who have brought it into shame and disrepute
Thatcher won from the right three times, as did Boris on Brexit at least in 2019. On the other side Attlee won for Labour from the left twice. The centre ground isn't the only electable option 100% of the time, even if it is most of the time
Thatcher was closer to the centre than Michael Foot. The Clown was closer to the centre than Mr. Thicky.
Thatcher wasn't closer to the centre than Callaghan in 1979 though and arguably not closer to the centre than Kinnock either in 1987.
By the current Johnsonian/Trussian iteration of the Conservative Party, Thatcher (of whom I was never a fan) would be considered a raging Trot.
Thatcher would have baulked at the idea of Braverman, 30p Lee or Jonathan Gullis anywhere near the levers of Government.
Nothing wrong with Braverman. I think Thatcher would have quite liked her. A decade earning her wings and she'll be ready for middling office. (Braverman's presumption is astonishing)
I think we can be fairly confident that Thatcher would have loathed Johnson
Suella Braverman’s rhetoric about child sexual abuse and grooming gangs has cost her the support of an influential Conservative backer, Steve Baker, in a sign her hardline approach to culture war issues could hamper her chances of becoming Tory leader.
Baker, a Tory MP on the Brexiter right of the party, who is now a Northern Ireland minister, was Braverman’s de facto campaign manager when she stood to succeed Boris Johnson as Conservative leader and prime minister last summer.
While Braverman, now the home secretary, was eliminated in the second round of MPs’ voting, her candidacy was seen as a marker for a possible future contest, one likely if the Conservatives lose the next general election.
However, it is understood Baker has decided he would not back Braverman again because of serious concerns over the way she has approached the issue of so-called grooming gangs.
As Baker will almost certainly lose his marginal Wycombe seat to Labour at the general election I doubt Suella cares.
By the time she likely runs for Tory Leader of the Opposition, Baker will be a very ex MP and not even able to vote in the MP rounds
And that sums up you and the whole sorry story of the right and Johnson as your hero
You are actually celebrating the career end of a conservative mp
Shame on you, and go and join RefUK as that is where you and the ERG truly belong
More than one of your posts of late have celebrated what you believe will be the end of various Tory MPs' careers. Perhaps you should take some of the shame you seem so keen to dish out.
Sadly because of Johnson and your beloved Truss conservative mps across the land are facing a career ending election
The conservative party will only obtain office by moving to the centre ground (one nation conservatives) and marginalising those who have brought it into shame and disrepute
Thatcher won from the right three times, as did Boris on Brexit at least in 2019. On the other side Attlee won for Labour from the left twice. The centre ground isn't the only electable option 100% of the time, even if it is most of the time
Thatcher was closer to the centre than Michael Foot. The Clown was closer to the centre than Mr. Thicky.
Thatcher wasn't closer to the centre than Callaghan in 1979 though and arguably not closer to the centre than Kinnock either in 1987.
Re 1979: As @Stuartinromford said she did not position herself as radical as she turned out to be. It is also a reasonable interpretation that Labour looked to be very much in hock to the unions and therefore it could be argued that the centre ground, where most of the very fed up public were, was right under Thatcher and Labour were way off to the left with the unions
It's all so long ago it's tough to recall, but I think Keith Joseph might have thought of himself as a little radical.
Yes he did from an economic perspective. And Thatcher was a hanger and a flogger too. But they stood rigidly by the conventions of Government. Something this bunch have forgotten.
Suella Braverman’s rhetoric about child sexual abuse and grooming gangs has cost her the support of an influential Conservative backer, Steve Baker, in a sign her hardline approach to culture war issues could hamper her chances of becoming Tory leader.
Baker, a Tory MP on the Brexiter right of the party, who is now a Northern Ireland minister, was Braverman’s de facto campaign manager when she stood to succeed Boris Johnson as Conservative leader and prime minister last summer.
While Braverman, now the home secretary, was eliminated in the second round of MPs’ voting, her candidacy was seen as a marker for a possible future contest, one likely if the Conservatives lose the next general election.
However, it is understood Baker has decided he would not back Braverman again because of serious concerns over the way she has approached the issue of so-called grooming gangs.
"What makes this inaction by the Home Office so contemptible is the contrast with the way politicians jump on these issues when they think it makes them look good or if they can attack an opponent. Suella Braverman did just that with her recent comments on grooming gangs and ethnicity, claiming that it was political correctness which prevented action. And yet when given the opportunity to act her department does little or nothing."
If that is why Baker is no longer supporting her, good for him.
I can imagine Steve Baker also beginning to wonder what his obituary will say, and what his most convincing explanation will be at the Pearly Gates. I don't think he entered public life to support Suella de Vil really.
I wonder which other prominent Conservatives will be weighing up the merits of a (professional) deathbed conversion. My money is on Gove.
Baker does show, at least at times, self reflection, hence admitting his 'Brexit hard-man' gag was not a great idea, and how he has been a bit messed up by the last years of political life. So he may not get everything right, indeed he migth get almost everything wrong, but he is at least thinking about more than just his career sometimes.
Suella Braverman’s rhetoric about child sexual abuse and grooming gangs has cost her the support of an influential Conservative backer, Steve Baker, in a sign her hardline approach to culture war issues could hamper her chances of becoming Tory leader.
Baker, a Tory MP on the Brexiter right of the party, who is now a Northern Ireland minister, was Braverman’s de facto campaign manager when she stood to succeed Boris Johnson as Conservative leader and prime minister last summer.
While Braverman, now the home secretary, was eliminated in the second round of MPs’ voting, her candidacy was seen as a marker for a possible future contest, one likely if the Conservatives lose the next general election.
However, it is understood Baker has decided he would not back Braverman again because of serious concerns over the way she has approached the issue of so-called grooming gangs.
As Baker will almost certainly lose his marginal Wycombe seat to Labour at the general election I doubt Suella cares.
By the time she likely runs for Tory Leader of the Opposition, Baker will be a very ex MP and not even able to vote in the MP rounds
And that sums up you and the whole sorry story of the right and Johnson as your hero
You are actually celebrating the career end of a conservative mp
Shame on you, and go and join RefUK as that is where you and the ERG truly belong
More than one of your posts of late have celebrated what you believe will be the end of various Tory MPs' careers. Perhaps you should take some of the shame you seem so keen to dish out.
Sadly because of Johnson and your beloved Truss conservative mps across the land are facing a career ending election
The conservative party will only obtain office by moving to the centre ground (one nation conservatives) and marginalising those who have brought it into shame and disrepute
Thatcher won from the right three times, as did Boris on Brexit at least in 2019. On the other side Attlee won for Labour from the left twice. The centre ground isn't the only electable option 100% of the time, even if it is most of the time
Thatcher was closer to the centre than Michael Foot. The Clown was closer to the centre than Mr. Thicky.
Thatcher wasn't closer to the centre than Callaghan in 1979 though and arguably not closer to the centre than Kinnock either in 1987.
By the current Johnsonian/Trussian iteration of the Conservative Party, Thatcher (of whom I was never a fan) would be considered a raging Trot.
Thatcher would have baulked at the idea of Braverman, 30p Lee or Jonathan Gullis anywhere near the levers of Government.
Nothing wrong with Braverman. I think Thatcher would have quite liked her. A decade earning her wings and she'll be ready for middling office. (Braverman's presumption is astonishing)
I suspect she would have been more alarmed by the rise of such a lightweight as Braverman. She probably would have considered Anderson and Gullis to be wholly unserious politicians worthy only of contempt.
Suella Braverman’s rhetoric about child sexual abuse and grooming gangs has cost her the support of an influential Conservative backer, Steve Baker, in a sign her hardline approach to culture war issues could hamper her chances of becoming Tory leader.
Baker, a Tory MP on the Brexiter right of the party, who is now a Northern Ireland minister, was Braverman’s de facto campaign manager when she stood to succeed Boris Johnson as Conservative leader and prime minister last summer.
While Braverman, now the home secretary, was eliminated in the second round of MPs’ voting, her candidacy was seen as a marker for a possible future contest, one likely if the Conservatives lose the next general election.
However, it is understood Baker has decided he would not back Braverman again because of serious concerns over the way she has approached the issue of so-called grooming gangs.
As Baker will almost certainly lose his marginal Wycombe seat to Labour at the general election I doubt Suella cares.
By the time she likely runs for Tory Leader of the Opposition, Baker will be a very ex MP and not even able to vote in the MP rounds
And that sums up you and the whole sorry story of the right and Johnson as your hero
You are actually celebrating the career end of a conservative mp
Shame on you, and go and join RefUK as that is where you and the ERG truly belong
More than one of your posts of late have celebrated what you believe will be the end of various Tory MPs' careers. Perhaps you should take some of the shame you seem so keen to dish out.
Sadly because of Johnson and your beloved Truss conservative mps across the land are facing a career ending election
The conservative party will only obtain office by moving to the centre ground (one nation conservatives) and marginalising those who have brought it into shame and disrepute
Thatcher won from the right three times, as did Boris on Brexit at least in 2019. On the other side Attlee won for Labour from the left twice. The centre ground isn't the only electable option 100% of the time, even if it is most of the time
Thatcher was closer to the centre than Michael Foot. The Clown was closer to the centre than Mr. Thicky.
Thatcher wasn't closer to the centre than Callaghan in 1979 though and arguably not closer to the centre than Kinnock either in 1987.
By the current Johnsonian/Trussian iteration of the Conservative Party, Thatcher (of whom I was never a fan) would be considered a raging Trot.
Thatcher would have baulked at the idea of Braverman, 30p Lee or Jonathan Gullis anywhere near the levers of Government.
Nothing wrong with Braverman. I think Thatcher would have quite liked her. A decade earning her wings and she'll be ready for middling office. (Braverman's presumption is astonishing)
I think we can be fairly confident that Thatcher would have loathed Johnson
He'd have just been a rather tiresome hack. I know it sounds odd, but I think Thatcher was actually of a rather kind mindset. I don't think she understood the hate the other way.
Suella Braverman’s rhetoric about child sexual abuse and grooming gangs has cost her the support of an influential Conservative backer, Steve Baker, in a sign her hardline approach to culture war issues could hamper her chances of becoming Tory leader.
Baker, a Tory MP on the Brexiter right of the party, who is now a Northern Ireland minister, was Braverman’s de facto campaign manager when she stood to succeed Boris Johnson as Conservative leader and prime minister last summer.
While Braverman, now the home secretary, was eliminated in the second round of MPs’ voting, her candidacy was seen as a marker for a possible future contest, one likely if the Conservatives lose the next general election.
However, it is understood Baker has decided he would not back Braverman again because of serious concerns over the way she has approached the issue of so-called grooming gangs.
As Baker will almost certainly lose his marginal Wycombe seat to Labour at the general election I doubt Suella cares.
By the time she likely runs for Tory Leader of the Opposition, Baker will be a very ex MP and not even able to vote in the MP rounds
And that sums up you and the whole sorry story of the right and Johnson as your hero
You are actually celebrating the career end of a conservative mp
Shame on you, and go and join RefUK as that is where you and the ERG truly belong
More than one of your posts of late have celebrated what you believe will be the end of various Tory MPs' careers. Perhaps you should take some of the shame you seem so keen to dish out.
Sadly because of Johnson and your beloved Truss conservative mps across the land are facing a career ending election
The conservative party will only obtain office by moving to the centre ground (one nation conservatives) and marginalising those who have brought it into shame and disrepute
Thatcher won from the right three times, as did Boris on Brexit at least in 2019. On the other side Attlee won for Labour from the left twice. The centre ground isn't the only electable option 100% of the time, even if it is most of the time
It is for the foreseeable future
The definition of the centre presumably being, trying to keep things as much as possible as they are, but somehow making them a bit less shit through a program of... what, exactly? Vacuous speeches? Prayer?
You're probably right though, which means that pensionerism, property speculation and the harvesting of rents will be the main planks of the economy for several decades yet. Time to get real, give up on change and start planning how best to game the system accordingly.
The financial markets (where I worked for a while at the start of my career) are often extremely poor judges of economic policies for a number of reasons:
- they have an extremely short-term focus, even when they are looking at long-term assets. They continually misprice long-dated assets - for example, if you look at futures prices, they are much better predictors of the spot price than of the price of the asset at the settlement date - they always overshoot in their reactions to news events (see Dornbusch (1976)) - they, like the rest of us, are prone to moods. That's likely why the biggest crashes happen in October (1907, 1929, 1987, 2008) - people are starting to get SAD - as individuals, they are terrified of being out of line with their peers. As with most professions, it is better to be wrong if everybody else is than right at the wrong time. This means they have a bias towards relying on official forecasts and statistics, not because they have good track records, but because everybody else does - a surprising number of market participants know very little economics, and have even less interest in it - they are dominated by Americans, whose knowledge of, and even interest in, foreign countries is pretty absymal.
The psychology of financial markets is a big academic area in economics. But the point of all that is that markets can be manipulated by moods and presentation. So we should not assume that it was impossible for Truss to win markets over to her plans, or some version of them anyway. When she announced some of them in the summer, there was no adverse market reaction, even though she was the front-runner in the leadership race.
But I am reminded of the Yes, Prime Minister scene with the party political broadcast. If you want to be radical in what you say, you need to have a reassuring, traditional background, whereas if you've nothing to say, you should talk in front of modernist decor. Truss and Kwasi should have shown how we'd still have lower government debt than France, Italy or Japan, they should have done everything they could to get 365 reputable economists to back their plan, the OBR should have been listened to, a prawn cocktail offensive should have been mounted, etc., etc. Instead, well, we all know what they did.
Suella Braverman’s rhetoric about child sexual abuse and grooming gangs has cost her the support of an influential Conservative backer, Steve Baker, in a sign her hardline approach to culture war issues could hamper her chances of becoming Tory leader.
Baker, a Tory MP on the Brexiter right of the party, who is now a Northern Ireland minister, was Braverman’s de facto campaign manager when she stood to succeed Boris Johnson as Conservative leader and prime minister last summer.
While Braverman, now the home secretary, was eliminated in the second round of MPs’ voting, her candidacy was seen as a marker for a possible future contest, one likely if the Conservatives lose the next general election.
However, it is understood Baker has decided he would not back Braverman again because of serious concerns over the way she has approached the issue of so-called grooming gangs.
As Baker will almost certainly lose his marginal Wycombe seat to Labour at the general election I doubt Suella cares.
By the time she likely runs for Tory Leader of the Opposition, Baker will be a very ex MP and not even able to vote in the MP rounds
And that sums up you and the whole sorry story of the right and Johnson as your hero
You are actually celebrating the career end of a conservative mp
Shame on you, and go and join RefUK as that is where you and the ERG truly belong
More than one of your posts of late have celebrated what you believe will be the end of various Tory MPs' careers. Perhaps you should take some of the shame you seem so keen to dish out.
Sadly because of Johnson and your beloved Truss conservative mps across the land are facing a career ending election
The conservative party will only obtain office by moving to the centre ground (one nation conservatives) and marginalising those who have brought it into shame and disrepute
Thatcher won from the right three times, as did Boris on Brexit at least in 2019. On the other side Attlee won for Labour from the left twice. The centre ground isn't the only electable option 100% of the time, even if it is most of the time
Thatcher was closer to the centre than Michael Foot. The Clown was closer to the centre than Mr. Thicky.
Agree with the first sentence. Trying to decipher the second one. I assume the Clown (obviously) is Johnson. Who is Mr Thicky
Apologies but this isn't obvious to me from the thread?
The man he cruelly destroyed; St Jeremy the Martyr.
Has "more centrist of the big two wins" ever failed in modern times? 1979 perhaps, though that's partly false memory of how radical Maggie promised to be (less than it turned out).
I'd go with 2015. Austerians offering full EU exit versus Blair ministers offering an anti-immigration rock.
Suella Braverman’s rhetoric about child sexual abuse and grooming gangs has cost her the support of an influential Conservative backer, Steve Baker, in a sign her hardline approach to culture war issues could hamper her chances of becoming Tory leader.
Baker, a Tory MP on the Brexiter right of the party, who is now a Northern Ireland minister, was Braverman’s de facto campaign manager when she stood to succeed Boris Johnson as Conservative leader and prime minister last summer.
While Braverman, now the home secretary, was eliminated in the second round of MPs’ voting, her candidacy was seen as a marker for a possible future contest, one likely if the Conservatives lose the next general election.
However, it is understood Baker has decided he would not back Braverman again because of serious concerns over the way she has approached the issue of so-called grooming gangs.
As Baker will almost certainly lose his marginal Wycombe seat to Labour at the general election I doubt Suella cares.
By the time she likely runs for Tory Leader of the Opposition, Baker will be a very ex MP and not even able to vote in the MP rounds
And that sums up you and the whole sorry story of the right and Johnson as your hero
You are actually celebrating the career end of a conservative mp
Shame on you, and go and join RefUK as that is where you and the ERG truly belong
More than one of your posts of late have celebrated what you believe will be the end of various Tory MPs' careers. Perhaps you should take some of the shame you seem so keen to dish out.
Sadly because of Johnson and your beloved Truss conservative mps across the land are facing a career ending election
The conservative party will only obtain office by moving to the centre ground (one nation conservatives) and marginalising those who have brought it into shame and disrepute
Thatcher won from the right three times, as did Boris on Brexit at least in 2019. On the other side Attlee won for Labour from the left twice. The centre ground isn't the only electable option 100% of the time, even if it is most of the time
Thatcher was closer to the centre than Michael Foot. The Clown was closer to the centre than Mr. Thicky.
Thatcher wasn't closer to the centre than Callaghan in 1979 though and arguably not closer to the centre than Kinnock either in 1987.
By the current Johnsonian/Trussian iteration of the Conservative Party, Thatcher (of whom I was never a fan) would be considered a raging Trot.
Thatcher would have baulked at the idea of Braverman, 30p Lee or Jonathan Gullis anywhere near the levers of Government.
Nothing wrong with Braverman. I think Thatcher would have quite liked her. A decade earning her wings and she'll be ready for middling office. (Braverman's presumption is astonishing)
I think we can be fairly confident that Thatcher would have loathed Johnson
He'd have just been a rather tiresome hack. I know it sounds odd, but I think Thatcher was actually of a rather kind mindset. I don't think she understood the hate the other way.
Invoking Thatcher is very easy now she's no longer with us. Above all, Thatcher was a Conservative. She forgave a lot in her time, especially in Tory men that she liked. She wasn't Theresa May. I suspect she'd have been quite tolerant of Boris, though frustrated at the lack of actual right wing reforms and post-Brexit liberalisations enacted by his Government.
Suella Braverman’s rhetoric about child sexual abuse and grooming gangs has cost her the support of an influential Conservative backer, Steve Baker, in a sign her hardline approach to culture war issues could hamper her chances of becoming Tory leader.
Baker, a Tory MP on the Brexiter right of the party, who is now a Northern Ireland minister, was Braverman’s de facto campaign manager when she stood to succeed Boris Johnson as Conservative leader and prime minister last summer.
While Braverman, now the home secretary, was eliminated in the second round of MPs’ voting, her candidacy was seen as a marker for a possible future contest, one likely if the Conservatives lose the next general election.
However, it is understood Baker has decided he would not back Braverman again because of serious concerns over the way she has approached the issue of so-called grooming gangs.
As Baker will almost certainly lose his marginal Wycombe seat to Labour at the general election I doubt Suella cares.
By the time she likely runs for Tory Leader of the Opposition, Baker will be a very ex MP and not even able to vote in the MP rounds
And that sums up you and the whole sorry story of the right and Johnson as your hero
You are actually celebrating the career end of a conservative mp
Shame on you, and go and join RefUK as that is where you and the ERG truly belong
More than one of your posts of late have celebrated what you believe will be the end of various Tory MPs' careers. Perhaps you should take some of the shame you seem so keen to dish out.
Sadly because of Johnson and your beloved Truss conservative mps across the land are facing a career ending election
The conservative party will only obtain office by moving to the centre ground (one nation conservatives) and marginalising those who have brought it into shame and disrepute
Thatcher won from the right three times, as did Boris on Brexit at least in 2019. On the other side Attlee won for Labour from the left twice. The centre ground isn't the only electable option 100% of the time, even if it is most of the time
Thatcher was closer to the centre than Michael Foot. The Clown was closer to the centre than Mr. Thicky.
Thatcher wasn't closer to the centre than Callaghan in 1979 though and arguably not closer to the centre than Kinnock either in 1987.
By the current Johnsonian/Trussian iteration of the Conservative Party, Thatcher (of whom I was never a fan) would be considered a raging Trot.
Thatcher would have baulked at the idea of Braverman, 30p Lee or Jonathan Gullis anywhere near the levers of Government.
Nothing wrong with Braverman. I think Thatcher would have quite liked her. A decade earning her wings and she'll be ready for middling office. (Braverman's presumption is astonishing)
I think we can be fairly confident that Thatcher would have loathed Johnson
Phase 1 would have been to treat him as a pound shop Alan Clark; someone whose flattery was to be accepted, because it was amusing. But not someone to be taken that seriously; Junior Minister for Arts, maybe.
Phase 2 would be after the first big scandal happened, which would have meant casting him into the outer darkness, never to be seen again.
A silly spat that originated with someone posting a picture of Tina Turner and her ex-husband. Someone else implying that meant they thought domestic violence was OK, and the first person concluding that the second person's comment reflected a contemptuous attitude to black and Asian people who didn't share her political views.
Both of them should have something better to do with their time.
Too many tweets make a
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I knew Musk was mad, but I didn't think he was stupid. The average twitter user will scroll six hundred or whatever posts in half an hour (skipping over 95% of them). Never seen someone so intent on Ratnering their own brand.
I don't know if it's a weekend effect, but as the frequency of twitter posts have decreased, PB has become much more fun. Ok it's now full of cricket and F1 fans, but you can't have everything. 😀
Have we all read Cory Doctorow's thesis on "enshittification", the process that all social media goes through as a result of platforms extracting value to the point of killing the golden goose?
When you think about it, PB has outlived most social media platforms - here before Facebook which is a dead platform now, Instagram dying, Twitter taking a very rapid turn for the worse...
The interesting thing about the Doctorow idea is that you'd imagine social media platforms would learn from the mistakes of their predecessors, but it keeps happening because of the way the capitalist system itself demands the extraction of value. On reading it, I couldn't help but wonder if the UK was being "enshittified" in the same way.
The same thing happened to the lad magazines
Suits took over and demanded maximum profit for minimum effort which made the product worse and worse - and then they fell off a cliff coz they couldn’t compete with free shit on the internet. There was nothing worth paying for
Oh god, lads mags, yes. I got a letter published in FHM when I was a teen and completely forgot about it until lockdown. Having no idea what issue it was in I bought a job lot of FHMs (pretty much everything for a decade) between 1996-2005ish which was when I was a reader.
You can see the decline over those years, from some pretty funny, tongue in cheek, gonzo type stuff, to people just phoning it in by the end. And Grub Smith! I forgot about him... I understand it staggered on for another decade after that but by then was just a paint by numbers jobbie. Even Viz feels that way these days, and that was still good well into the 2000s.
Off on a tangent, but another interesting comment I saw on the FT recently - Martin Amis was the Jordan Peterson of his time, bit of a guru for young lads trying to figure out how to be men. FHM very much filled that gap for me as a teen in the 90s. Young men need older men to tell them how it all works, and I kinda feel sad that this generation is stuck with Andrew Tate when we had Amis and FHM...
Stewards decision - stand by folks, the race results could be about to change. According to the @FIA over 1200 instances where a car may have exceeded track limits were reported during the race
The car fully over the white line that denotes the extent of the width of the circuit. In these instances being totally out on a kerb or piece of run-off tarmac. The rule is you can do this three times, fourth time you get a penalty (5 seconds).
Cheers. It was the language in part that confused me - exceeding seems a strange way to refer to it. And the fact they are saying there were 1200 instances kind of makes mockery of the whole thing to my mind. On the basis of what you just explained, that would mean they should have issued around 300 5 second penalties.
If there were genuinely 1,200 infractions, it would equate approximately to every driver (on average) exceeding track limits once every single lap of the race, given there were 20 drivers doing circa 70 laps. So yes mockery is a good word for it I think.
AIUI, every time a drivers goes outside the white lines on the circuit with all four wheels, they are exceeding the track limits. For many corners it does not matter, as going outside the white lines is a much slower line. For some corners however, it does matter: either because it makes a faster line and/or it is dangerous.
Therefore before the weekend, the stewards pronounce *which* corners they will take notice of the infringement, and tell the drivers. Occasionally they add a corner onto the list during the meeting, e.g. during practice.
Therefore a driver can exceed the track limits at a corner and for it not to be of any concern. Although 1,200 does seem a lot. Then there are the cases where someone does it whilst overtaking, which is also often a no-no. All AIUI, but the rulebook can be rather odd, as we've seen.
The financial markets (where I worked for a while at the start of my career) are often extremely poor judges of economic policies for a number of reasons:
- they have an extremely short-term focus, even when they are looking at long-term assets. They continually misprice long-dated assets - for example, if you look at futures prices, they are much better predictors of the spot price than of the price of the asset at the settlement date - they always overshoot in their reactions to news events (see Dornbusch (1976)) - they, like the rest of us, are prone to moods. That's likely why the biggest crashes happen in October (1907, 1929, 1987, 2008) - people are starting to get SAD - as individuals, they are terrified of being out of line with their peers. As with most professions, it is better to be wrong if everybody else is than right at the wrong time. This means they have a bias towards relying on official forecasts and statistics, not because they have good track records, but because everybody else does - a surprising number of market participants know very little economics, and have even less interest in it - they are dominated by Americans, whose knowledge of, and even interest in, foreign countries is pretty absymal.
The psychology of financial markets is a big academic area in economics. But the point of all that is that markets can be manipulated by moods and presentation. So we should not assume that it was impossible for Truss to win markets over to her plans, or some version of them anyway. When she announced some of them in the summer, there was no adverse market reaction, even though she was the front-runner in the leadership race.
But I am reminded of the Yes, Prime Minister scene with the party political broadcast. If you want to be radical in what you say, you need to have a reassuring, traditional background, whereas if you've nothing to say, you should talk in front of modernist decor. Truss and Kwasi should have shown how we'd still have lower government debt than France, Italy or Japan, they should have done everything they could to get 365 reputable economists to back their plan, the OBR should have been listened to, a prawn cocktail offensive should have been mounted, etc., etc. Instead, well, we all know what they did.
Would that have been enough? We'll never know.
We know what caused Truss's problems, the unfunded tax cuts based on praying for growth rather than the 8% deficit target as such. It wasn't a plausibly permanent policy to redirect income away from median voters, and even if it brought benefits making it an unquestionable pillar of policy, that would take decades of forbearance and toleration from voters. So why would you base long-term investment decisions on an easily reversable policy? As said, all this is prior to the question of running an 8% deficit during stagflation, and the unchanged inflation target handed to an independent central bank. Truss would have had to (a) cut deep in a way that wouldn't be plausibly reversed by a new government over the lifetime of an asset, or (b) borrow more to share the goodies around, and instruct Bailey to tolerate 6% inflation for a while.
A silly spat that originated with someone posting a picture of Tina Turner and her ex-husband. Someone else implying that meant they thought domestic violence was OK, and the first person concluding that the second person's comment reflected a contemptuous attitude to black and Asian people who didn't share her political views.
Both of them should have something better to do with their time.
Too many tweets make a
(your daily view count has been exceeded, please pay $8 to continue scrolling).
I knew Musk was mad, but I didn't think he was stupid. The average twitter user will scroll six hundred or whatever posts in half an hour (skipping over 95% of them). Never seen someone so intent on Ratnering their own brand.
I don't know if it's a weekend effect, but as the frequency of twitter posts have decreased, PB has become much more fun. Ok it's now full of cricket and F1 fans, but you can't have everything. 😀
Have we all read Cory Doctorow's thesis on "enshittification", the process that all social media goes through as a result of platforms extracting value to the point of killing the golden goose?
When you think about it, PB has outlived most social media platforms - here before Facebook which is a dead platform now, Instagram dying, Twitter taking a very rapid turn for the worse...
The interesting thing about the Doctorow idea is that you'd imagine social media platforms would learn from the mistakes of their predecessors, but it keeps happening because of the way the capitalist system itself demands the extraction of value. On reading it, I couldn't help but wonder if the UK was being "enshittified" in the same way.
The same thing happened to the lad magazines
Suits took over and demanded maximum profit for minimum effort which made the product worse and worse - and then they fell off a cliff coz they couldn’t compete with free shit on the internet. There was nothing worth paying for
Oh god, lads mags, yes. I got a letter published in FHM when I was a teen and completely forgot about it until lockdown. Having no idea what issue it was in I bought a job lot of FHMs (pretty much everything for a decade) between 1996-2005ish which was when I was a reader.
You can see the decline over those years, from some pretty funny, tongue in cheek, gonzo type stuff, to people just phoning it in by the end. And Grub Smith! I forgot about him... I understand it staggered on for another decade after that but by then was just a paint by numbers jobbie. Even Viz feels that way these days, and that was still good well into the 2000s.
Off on a tangent, but another interesting comment I saw on the FT recently - Martin Amis was the Jordan Peterson of his time, bit of a guru for young lads trying to figure out how to be men. FHM very much filled that gap for me as a teen in the 90s. Young men need older men to tell them how it all works, and I kinda feel sad that this generation is stuck with Andrew Tate when we had Amis and FHM...
Did you find the relevant issue/letter?
I did, and it was a moment of weirdness, coming face to face with my pimply, sixteen year old self, who thought that dashing off a vaguely obscene joke to FHM from the sixth form common room would win me the adulation of my peers.
Stewards decision - stand by folks, the race results could be about to change. According to the @FIA over 1200 instances where a car may have exceeded track limits were reported during the race
The car fully over the white line that denotes the extent of the width of the circuit. In these instances being totally out on a kerb or piece of run-off tarmac. The rule is you can do this three times, fourth time you get a penalty (5 seconds).
Cheers. It was the language in part that confused me - exceeding seems a strange way to refer to it. And the fact they are saying there were 1200 instances kind of makes mockery of the whole thing to my mind. On the basis of what you just explained, that would mean they should have issued around 300 5 second penalties.
If there were genuinely 1,200 infractions, it would equate approximately to every driver (on average) exceeding track limits once every single lap of the race, given there were 20 drivers doing circa 70 laps. So yes mockery is a good word for it I think.
AIUI, every time a drivers goes outside the white lines on the circuit with all four wheels, they are exceeding the track limits. For many corners it does not matter, as going outside the white lines is a much slower line. For some corners however, it does matter: either because it makes a faster line and/or it is dangerous.
Therefore before the weekend, the stewards pronounce *which* corners they will take notice of the infringement, and tell the drivers. Occasionally they add a corner onto the list during the meeting, e.g. during practice.
Therefore a driver can exceed the track limits at a corner and for it not to be of any concern. Although 1,200 does seem a lot. Then there are the cases where someone does it whilst overtaking, which is also often a no-no. All AIUI, but the rulebook can be rather odd, as we've seen.
I think they have changed the approach in recent times from just policing it at one or two corners to policing it at all corners, at least in theory. Whether the line taken is genuinely slower or faster or not, they now don't really care about that - it is an attempt to make it a much more binary infraction/no infraction scenario.
I think that's part of the problem here - it's so ubiquitous to push the lines that way that when you actually try to police it to that level, you find basically everyone's doing at some point...
Suella Braverman’s rhetoric about child sexual abuse and grooming gangs has cost her the support of an influential Conservative backer, Steve Baker, in a sign her hardline approach to culture war issues could hamper her chances of becoming Tory leader.
Baker, a Tory MP on the Brexiter right of the party, who is now a Northern Ireland minister, was Braverman’s de facto campaign manager when she stood to succeed Boris Johnson as Conservative leader and prime minister last summer.
While Braverman, now the home secretary, was eliminated in the second round of MPs’ voting, her candidacy was seen as a marker for a possible future contest, one likely if the Conservatives lose the next general election.
However, it is understood Baker has decided he would not back Braverman again because of serious concerns over the way she has approached the issue of so-called grooming gangs.
As Baker will almost certainly lose his marginal Wycombe seat to Labour at the general election I doubt Suella cares.
By the time she likely runs for Tory Leader of the Opposition, Baker will be a very ex MP and not even able to vote in the MP rounds
And that sums up you and the whole sorry story of the right and Johnson as your hero
You are actually celebrating the career end of a conservative mp
Shame on you, and go and join RefUK as that is where you and the ERG truly belong
More than one of your posts of late have celebrated what you believe will be the end of various Tory MPs' careers. Perhaps you should take some of the shame you seem so keen to dish out.
Sadly because of Johnson and your beloved Truss conservative mps across the land are facing a career ending election
The conservative party will only obtain office by moving to the centre ground (one nation conservatives) and marginalising those who have brought it into shame and disrepute
Thatcher won from the right three times, as did Boris on Brexit at least in 2019. On the other side Attlee won for Labour from the left twice. The centre ground isn't the only electable option 100% of the time, even if it is most of the time
Thatcher was closer to the centre than Michael Foot. The Clown was closer to the centre than Mr. Thicky.
Thatcher wasn't closer to the centre than Callaghan in 1979 though and arguably not closer to the centre than Kinnock either in 1987.
By the current Johnsonian/Trussian iteration of the Conservative Party, Thatcher (of whom I was never a fan) would be considered a raging Trot.
Thatcher would have baulked at the idea of Braverman, 30p Lee or Jonathan Gullis anywhere near the levers of Government.
Nothing wrong with Braverman. I think Thatcher would have quite liked her. A decade earning her wings and she'll be ready for middling office. (Braverman's presumption is astonishing)
I think we can be fairly confident that Thatcher would have loathed Johnson
He'd have just been a rather tiresome hack. I know it sounds odd, but I think Thatcher was actually of a rather kind mindset. I don't think she understood the hate the other way.
The biographies (including Moore) half agree - she certainly didn't understand but it was because she did not seem to care too much about what other people thought or felt. Part of me thinks she would nowadays be called "neurodiverse". But it was also a different time. Hundreds of thousands of men died in the war, and the American postwar virtues of empathy and bonhomie had yet to come to their full flourishing in Britain.
A silly spat that originated with someone posting a picture of Tina Turner and her ex-husband. Someone else implying that meant they thought domestic violence was OK, and the first person concluding that the second person's comment reflected a contemptuous attitude to black and Asian people who didn't share her political views.
Both of them should have something better to do with their time.
Too many tweets make a
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I knew Musk was mad, but I didn't think he was stupid. The average twitter user will scroll six hundred or whatever posts in half an hour (skipping over 95% of them). Never seen someone so intent on Ratnering their own brand.
I don’t think it’s intentional. He wants to stop paying large amounts of money for Google infrastructure but doesn’t have a way to replace it yet.
A silly spat that originated with someone posting a picture of Tina Turner and her ex-husband. Someone else implying that meant they thought domestic violence was OK, and the first person concluding that the second person's comment reflected a contemptuous attitude to black and Asian people who didn't share her political views.
Both of them should have something better to do with their time.
Too many tweets make a
(your daily view count has been exceeded, please pay $8 to continue scrolling).
I knew Musk was mad, but I didn't think he was stupid. The average twitter user will scroll six hundred or whatever posts in half an hour (skipping over 95% of them). Never seen someone so intent on Ratnering their own brand.
I don't know if it's a weekend effect, but as the frequency of twitter posts have decreased, PB has become much more fun. Ok it's now full of cricket and F1 fans, but you can't have everything. 😀
Have we all read Cory Doctorow's thesis on "enshittification", the process that all social media goes through as a result of platforms extracting value to the point of killing the golden goose?
When you think about it, PB has outlived most social media platforms - here before Facebook which is a dead platform now, Instagram dying, Twitter taking a very rapid turn for the worse...
The interesting thing about the Doctorow idea is that you'd imagine social media platforms would learn from the mistakes of their predecessors, but it keeps happening because of the way the capitalist system itself demands the extraction of value. On reading it, I couldn't help but wonder if the UK was being "enshittified" in the same way.
The same thing happened to the lad magazines
Suits took over and demanded maximum profit for minimum effort which made the product worse and worse - and then they fell off a cliff coz they couldn’t compete with free shit on the internet. There was nothing worth paying for
Oh god, lads mags, yes. I got a letter published in FHM when I was a teen and completely forgot about it until lockdown. Having no idea what issue it was in I bought a job lot of FHMs (pretty much everything for a decade) between 1996-2005ish which was when I was a reader.
You can see the decline over those years, from some pretty funny, tongue in cheek, gonzo type stuff, to people just phoning it in by the end. And Grub Smith! I forgot about him... I understand it staggered on for another decade after that but by then was just a paint by numbers jobbie. Even Viz feels that way these days, and that was still good well into the 2000s.
Off on a tangent, but another interesting comment I saw on the FT recently - Martin Amis was the Jordan Peterson of his time, bit of a guru for young lads trying to figure out how to be men. FHM very much filled that gap for me as a teen in the 90s. Young men need older men to tell them how it all works, and I kinda feel sad that this generation is stuck with Andrew Tate when we had Amis and FHM...
I've got a copy of Vogue from 1980 and there are essays in there that are more literary than the writing in today's broadcsheet newspapers.
A silly spat that originated with someone posting a picture of Tina Turner and her ex-husband. Someone else implying that meant they thought domestic violence was OK, and the first person concluding that the second person's comment reflected a contemptuous attitude to black and Asian people who didn't share her political views.
Both of them should have something better to do with their time.
Too many tweets make a
(your daily view count has been exceeded, please pay $8 to continue scrolling).
I knew Musk was mad, but I didn't think he was stupid. The average twitter user will scroll six hundred or whatever posts in half an hour (skipping over 95% of them). Never seen someone so intent on Ratnering their own brand.
I don't know if it's a weekend effect, but as the frequency of twitter posts have decreased, PB has become much more fun. Ok it's now full of cricket and F1 fans, but you can't have everything. 😀
Have we all read Cory Doctorow's thesis on "enshittification", the process that all social media goes through as a result of platforms extracting value to the point of killing the golden goose?
When you think about it, PB has outlived most social media platforms - here before Facebook which is a dead platform now, Instagram dying, Twitter taking a very rapid turn for the worse...
The interesting thing about the Doctorow idea is that you'd imagine social media platforms would learn from the mistakes of their predecessors, but it keeps happening because of the way the capitalist system itself demands the extraction of value. On reading it, I couldn't help but wonder if the UK was being "enshittified" in the same way.
The same thing happened to the lad magazines
Suits took over and demanded maximum profit for minimum effort which made the product worse and worse - and then they fell off a cliff coz they couldn’t compete with free shit on the internet. There was nothing worth paying for
Oh god, lads mags, yes. I got a letter published in FHM when I was a teen and completely forgot about it until lockdown. Having no idea what issue it was in I bought a job lot of FHMs (pretty much everything for a decade) between 1996-2005ish which was when I was a reader.
You can see the decline over those years, from some pretty funny, tongue in cheek, gonzo type stuff, to people just phoning it in by the end. And Grub Smith! I forgot about him... I understand it staggered on for another decade after that but by then was just a paint by numbers jobbie. Even Viz feels that way these days, and that was still good well into the 2000s.
Off on a tangent, but another interesting comment I saw on the FT recently - Martin Amis was the Jordan Peterson of his time, bit of a guru for young lads trying to figure out how to be men. FHM very much filled that gap for me as a teen in the 90s. Young men need older men to tell them how it all works, and I kinda feel sad that this generation is stuck with Andrew Tate when we had Amis and FHM...
Did you find the relevant issue/letter?
I did, and it was a moment of weirdness, coming face to face with my pimply, sixteen year old self, who thought that dashing off a vaguely obscene joke to FHM from the sixth form common room would win me the adulation of my peers.
The past, as they say, is a foreign country...
Not quite the same, but I remember the joy of teenage-me getting a comment published on classic teletext videogames magazine Digitiser. Because you don't know it's coming, and it scrolled onto the page and I thought...hey, that's me...
A silly spat that originated with someone posting a picture of Tina Turner and her ex-husband. Someone else implying that meant they thought domestic violence was OK, and the first person concluding that the second person's comment reflected a contemptuous attitude to black and Asian people who didn't share her political views.
Both of them should have something better to do with their time.
Too many tweets make a
(your daily view count has been exceeded, please pay $8 to continue scrolling).
I knew Musk was mad, but I didn't think he was stupid. The average twitter user will scroll six hundred or whatever posts in half an hour (skipping over 95% of them). Never seen someone so intent on Ratnering their own brand.
I don't know if it's a weekend effect, but as the frequency of twitter posts have decreased, PB has become much more fun. Ok it's now full of cricket and F1 fans, but you can't have everything. 😀
Have we all read Cory Doctorow's thesis on "enshittification", the process that all social media goes through as a result of platforms extracting value to the point of killing the golden goose?
When you think about it, PB has outlived most social media platforms - here before Facebook which is a dead platform now, Instagram dying, Twitter taking a very rapid turn for the worse...
The interesting thing about the Doctorow idea is that you'd imagine social media platforms would learn from the mistakes of their predecessors, but it keeps happening because of the way the capitalist system itself demands the extraction of value. On reading it, I couldn't help but wonder if the UK was being "enshittified" in the same way.
The same thing happened to the lad magazines
Suits took over and demanded maximum profit for minimum effort which made the product worse and worse - and then they fell off a cliff coz they couldn’t compete with free shit on the internet. There was nothing worth paying for
Oh god, lads mags, yes. I got a letter published in FHM when I was a teen and completely forgot about it until lockdown. Having no idea what issue it was in I bought a job lot of FHMs (pretty much everything for a decade) between 1996-2005ish which was when I was a reader.
You can see the decline over those years, from some pretty funny, tongue in cheek, gonzo type stuff, to people just phoning it in by the end. And Grub Smith! I forgot about him... I understand it staggered on for another decade after that but by then was just a paint by numbers jobbie. Even Viz feels that way these days, and that was still good well into the 2000s.
Off on a tangent, but another interesting comment I saw on the FT recently - Martin Amis was the Jordan Peterson of his time, bit of a guru for young lads trying to figure out how to be men. FHM very much filled that gap for me as a teen in the 90s. Young men need older men to tell them how it all works, and I kinda feel sad that this generation is stuck with Andrew Tate when we had Amis and FHM...
Did you find the relevant issue/letter?
I did, and it was a moment of weirdness, coming face to face with my pimply, sixteen year old self, who thought that dashing off a vaguely obscene joke to FHM from the sixth form common room would win me the adulation of my peers.
The past, as they say, is a foreign country...
Not quite the same, but I remember the joy of teenage-me getting a comment published on classic teletext videogames magazine Digitiser. Because you don't know it's coming, and it scrolled onto the page and I thought...hey, that's me...
Re Digitiser: Wings Over Scotland used to be the man with a long chin.
Is Ben stokes the greatest all round cricketer ever? I’d say yes. That was certainly the best innings of Test cricket I’ve ever personally witnessed. He’s phenomenal
Most devastating all round cricketer ever? Probably Greatest? Not really
I guess Gary Sobers sets quite a high bar, so you might be right. I am feeling quite emosh
Stokes is the most exciting player I’ve ever seen. That is for sure
Jack Kallis enters the chat....better Test averages, better ODI averages....far more runs, far more wickets in both forms of the game.
He wasn't so much an all-rounder in the sense of well he can bat quite well and bowl quite well, he was a genuine elite batter, while at the same time first change fast bowler for SA and could have been picked for that alone...and on top of all of that, he managed to keep that up until 37 years of age.
The way the game has fragmented, I doubt we will see a player ever do what Kallis did again.
Stokes is a special talent who has performed heroic at crucial times, however he has never had elite stats at batting or bowling.
Suella Braverman’s rhetoric about child sexual abuse and grooming gangs has cost her the support of an influential Conservative backer, Steve Baker, in a sign her hardline approach to culture war issues could hamper her chances of becoming Tory leader.
Baker, a Tory MP on the Brexiter right of the party, who is now a Northern Ireland minister, was Braverman’s de facto campaign manager when she stood to succeed Boris Johnson as Conservative leader and prime minister last summer.
While Braverman, now the home secretary, was eliminated in the second round of MPs’ voting, her candidacy was seen as a marker for a possible future contest, one likely if the Conservatives lose the next general election.
However, it is understood Baker has decided he would not back Braverman again because of serious concerns over the way she has approached the issue of so-called grooming gangs.
As Baker will almost certainly lose his marginal Wycombe seat to Labour at the general election I doubt Suella cares.
By the time she likely runs for Tory Leader of the Opposition, Baker will be a very ex MP and not even able to vote in the MP rounds
And that sums up you and the whole sorry story of the right and Johnson as your hero
You are actually celebrating the career end of a conservative mp
Shame on you, and go and join RefUK as that is where you and the ERG truly belong
More than one of your posts of late have celebrated what you believe will be the end of various Tory MPs' careers. Perhaps you should take some of the shame you seem so keen to dish out.
Sadly because of Johnson and your beloved Truss conservative mps across the land are facing a career ending election
The conservative party will only obtain office by moving to the centre ground (one nation conservatives) and marginalising those who have brought it into shame and disrepute
Thatcher won from the right three times, as did Boris on Brexit at least in 2019. On the other side Attlee won for Labour from the left twice. The centre ground isn't the only electable option 100% of the time, even if it is most of the time
Thatcher was closer to the centre than Michael Foot. The Clown was closer to the centre than Mr. Thicky.
Thatcher wasn't closer to the centre than Callaghan in 1979 though and arguably not closer to the centre than Kinnock either in 1987.
By the current Johnsonian/Trussian iteration of the Conservative Party, Thatcher (of whom I was never a fan) would be considered a raging Trot.
Thatcher would have baulked at the idea of Braverman, 30p Lee or Jonathan Gullis anywhere near the levers of Government.
Nothing wrong with Braverman. I think Thatcher would have quite liked her. A decade earning her wings and she'll be ready for middling office. (Braverman's presumption is astonishing)
I suspect she would have been more alarmed by the rise of such a lightweight as Braverman. She probably would have considered Anderson and Gullis to be wholly unserious politicians worthy only of contempt.
Mrs Thatcher would not have had Suella Braverman in her Cabinet for the simple reason she did not promote women. Baroness Young as Leader of the House of Lords was the only (other) woman in the Cabinet in her decade in office, so far as I can see from: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ministers_under_Margaret_Thatcher
A silly spat that originated with someone posting a picture of Tina Turner and her ex-husband. Someone else implying that meant they thought domestic violence was OK, and the first person concluding that the second person's comment reflected a contemptuous attitude to black and Asian people who didn't share her political views.
Both of them should have something better to do with their time.
Too many tweets make a
(your daily view count has been exceeded, please pay $8 to continue scrolling).
I knew Musk was mad, but I didn't think he was stupid. The average twitter user will scroll six hundred or whatever posts in half an hour (skipping over 95% of them). Never seen someone so intent on Ratnering their own brand.
I don't know if it's a weekend effect, but as the frequency of twitter posts have decreased, PB has become much more fun. Ok it's now full of cricket and F1 fans, but you can't have everything. 😀
Have we all read Cory Doctorow's thesis on "enshittification", the process that all social media goes through as a result of platforms extracting value to the point of killing the golden goose?
When you think about it, PB has outlived most social media platforms - here before Facebook which is a dead platform now, Instagram dying, Twitter taking a very rapid turn for the worse...
The interesting thing about the Doctorow idea is that you'd imagine social media platforms would learn from the mistakes of their predecessors, but it keeps happening because of the way the capitalist system itself demands the extraction of value. On reading it, I couldn't help but wonder if the UK was being "enshittified" in the same way.
The same thing happened to the lad magazines
Suits took over and demanded maximum profit for minimum effort which made the product worse and worse - and then they fell off a cliff coz they couldn’t compete with free shit on the internet. There was nothing worth paying for
Oh god, lads mags, yes. I got a letter published in FHM when I was a teen and completely forgot about it until lockdown. Having no idea what issue it was in I bought a job lot of FHMs (pretty much everything for a decade) between 1996-2005ish which was when I was a reader.
You can see the decline over those years, from some pretty funny, tongue in cheek, gonzo type stuff, to people just phoning it in by the end. And Grub Smith! I forgot about him... I understand it staggered on for another decade after that but by then was just a paint by numbers jobbie. Even Viz feels that way these days, and that was still good well into the 2000s.
Off on a tangent, but another interesting comment I saw on the FT recently - Martin Amis was the Jordan Peterson of his time, bit of a guru for young lads trying to figure out how to be men. FHM very much filled that gap for me as a teen in the 90s. Young men need older men to tell them how it all works, and I kinda feel sad that this generation is stuck with Andrew Tate when we had Amis and FHM...
Did you find the relevant issue/letter?
I did, and it was a moment of weirdness, coming face to face with my pimply, sixteen year old self, who thought that dashing off a vaguely obscene joke to FHM from the sixth form common room would win me the adulation of my peers.
The past, as they say, is a foreign country...
Not quite the same, but I remember the joy of teenage-me getting a comment published on classic teletext videogames magazine Digitiser. Because you don't know it's coming, and it scrolled onto the page and I thought...hey, that's me...
I had a few letters read out on air by the late (and now cancelled I think) John Peel. Much to my delight.
Though if he *has* been cancelled then clearly to my eternal shame.
Is Ben stokes the greatest all round cricketer ever? I’d say yes. That was certainly the best innings of Test cricket I’ve ever personally witnessed. He’s phenomenal
Most devastating all round cricketer ever? Probably Greatest? Not really
I guess Gary Sobers sets quite a high bar, so you might be right. I am feeling quite emosh
Stokes is the most exciting player I’ve ever seen. That is for sure
Jack Kallis enters the chat....better Test averages, better ODI averages....far more runs, far more wickets in both forms of the game.
He wasn't so much an all-rounder in the sense of well he can bat quite well and bowl quite well, he was a genuine elite batter, while at the same time first change fast bowler for SA and could have been picked for that alone...and on top of all of that, he managed to keep that up until 37 years of age.
The way the game has fragmented, I doubt we will see a player ever do what Kallis did again.
I doubt any of us will see the likes of Stokes again, either
Top ten all time cricketer, for sure. Not just batsman or bowler or all rounder. Just "cricketer"
We have been lucky to witness it - even luckier that he's playing for England!
I saw Botham in his prime and Stokes is even more entertaining, talismanic and exhilarating
Just watched it - a bit of booing, a bit of applauding and then a couple of Aussies square up to some grey-haired old duffers in oat-coloured jackets. All rather silly.
A silly spat that originated with someone posting a picture of Tina Turner and her ex-husband. Someone else implying that meant they thought domestic violence was OK, and the first person concluding that the second person's comment reflected a contemptuous attitude to black and Asian people who didn't share her political views.
Both of them should have something better to do with their time.
Too many tweets make a
(your daily view count has been exceeded, please pay $8 to continue scrolling).
I knew Musk was mad, but I didn't think he was stupid. The average twitter user will scroll six hundred or whatever posts in half an hour (skipping over 95% of them). Never seen someone so intent on Ratnering their own brand.
I don't know if it's a weekend effect, but as the frequency of twitter posts have decreased, PB has become much more fun. Ok it's now full of cricket and F1 fans, but you can't have everything. 😀
Have we all read Cory Doctorow's thesis on "enshittification", the process that all social media goes through as a result of platforms extracting value to the point of killing the golden goose?
When you think about it, PB has outlived most social media platforms - here before Facebook which is a dead platform now, Instagram dying, Twitter taking a very rapid turn for the worse...
The interesting thing about the Doctorow idea is that you'd imagine social media platforms would learn from the mistakes of their predecessors, but it keeps happening because of the way the capitalist system itself demands the extraction of value. On reading it, I couldn't help but wonder if the UK was being "enshittified" in the same way.
The same thing happened to the lad magazines
Suits took over and demanded maximum profit for minimum effort which made the product worse and worse - and then they fell off a cliff coz they couldn’t compete with free shit on the internet. There was nothing worth paying for
Oh god, lads mags, yes. I got a letter published in FHM when I was a teen and completely forgot about it until lockdown. Having no idea what issue it was in I bought a job lot of FHMs (pretty much everything for a decade) between 1996-2005ish which was when I was a reader.
You can see the decline over those years, from some pretty funny, tongue in cheek, gonzo type stuff, to people just phoning it in by the end. And Grub Smith! I forgot about him... I understand it staggered on for another decade after that but by then was just a paint by numbers jobbie. Even Viz feels that way these days, and that was still good well into the 2000s.
Off on a tangent, but another interesting comment I saw on the FT recently - Martin Amis was the Jordan Peterson of his time, bit of a guru for young lads trying to figure out how to be men. FHM very much filled that gap for me as a teen in the 90s. Young men need older men to tell them how it all works, and I kinda feel sad that this generation is stuck with Andrew Tate when we had Amis and FHM...
I've got a copy of Vogue from 1980 and there are essays in there that are more literary than the writing in today's broadcsheet newspapers.
I was involved in getting a whole edition of Vogue pulped due to a legal issue. The main take-away I got from it was "Don't p*ss around with High Court rulings."
A silly spat that originated with someone posting a picture of Tina Turner and her ex-husband. Someone else implying that meant they thought domestic violence was OK, and the first person concluding that the second person's comment reflected a contemptuous attitude to black and Asian people who didn't share her political views.
Both of them should have something better to do with their time.
Too many tweets make a
(your daily view count has been exceeded, please pay $8 to continue scrolling).
I knew Musk was mad, but I didn't think he was stupid. The average twitter user will scroll six hundred or whatever posts in half an hour (skipping over 95% of them). Never seen someone so intent on Ratnering their own brand.
I don't know if it's a weekend effect, but as the frequency of twitter posts have decreased, PB has become much more fun. Ok it's now full of cricket and F1 fans, but you can't have everything. 😀
Have we all read Cory Doctorow's thesis on "enshittification", the process that all social media goes through as a result of platforms extracting value to the point of killing the golden goose?
When you think about it, PB has outlived most social media platforms - here before Facebook which is a dead platform now, Instagram dying, Twitter taking a very rapid turn for the worse...
The interesting thing about the Doctorow idea is that you'd imagine social media platforms would learn from the mistakes of their predecessors, but it keeps happening because of the way the capitalist system itself demands the extraction of value. On reading it, I couldn't help but wonder if the UK was being "enshittified" in the same way.
The same thing happened to the lad magazines
Suits took over and demanded maximum profit for minimum effort which made the product worse and worse - and then they fell off a cliff coz they couldn’t compete with free shit on the internet. There was nothing worth paying for
Oh god, lads mags, yes. I got a letter published in FHM when I was a teen and completely forgot about it until lockdown. Having no idea what issue it was in I bought a job lot of FHMs (pretty much everything for a decade) between 1996-2005ish which was when I was a reader.
You can see the decline over those years, from some pretty funny, tongue in cheek, gonzo type stuff, to people just phoning it in by the end. And Grub Smith! I forgot about him... I understand it staggered on for another decade after that but by then was just a paint by numbers jobbie. Even Viz feels that way these days, and that was still good well into the 2000s.
Off on a tangent, but another interesting comment I saw on the FT recently - Martin Amis was the Jordan Peterson of his time, bit of a guru for young lads trying to figure out how to be men. FHM very much filled that gap for me as a teen in the 90s. Young men need older men to tell them how it all works, and I kinda feel sad that this generation is stuck with Andrew Tate when we had Amis and FHM...
Did you find the relevant issue/letter?
I did, and it was a moment of weirdness, coming face to face with my pimply, sixteen year old self, who thought that dashing off a vaguely obscene joke to FHM from the sixth form common room would win me the adulation of my peers.
The past, as they say, is a foreign country...
Not quite the same, but I remember the joy of teenage-me getting a comment published on classic teletext videogames magazine Digitiser. Because you don't know it's coming, and it scrolled onto the page and I thought...hey, that's me...
I had a few letters read out on air by the late (and now cancelled I think) John Peel. Much to my delight.
Though if he *has* been cancelled then clearly to my eternal shame.
God, this is fecking complicated.
I would note that the Michael Fullerton portrait of him has not survived the Tate’s woke rehang.
A silly spat that originated with someone posting a picture of Tina Turner and her ex-husband. Someone else implying that meant they thought domestic violence was OK, and the first person concluding that the second person's comment reflected a contemptuous attitude to black and Asian people who didn't share her political views.
Both of them should have something better to do with their time.
Too many tweets make a
(your daily view count has been exceeded, please pay $8 to continue scrolling).
I knew Musk was mad, but I didn't think he was stupid. The average twitter user will scroll six hundred or whatever posts in half an hour (skipping over 95% of them). Never seen someone so intent on Ratnering their own brand.
I don’t think it’s intentional. He wants to stop paying large amounts of money for Google infrastructure but doesn’t have a way to replace it yet.
If you don't want to pay large amounts of money for tech infrastructure, maybe don't operate a large tech firm.
Is Ben stokes the greatest all round cricketer ever? I’d say yes. That was certainly the best innings of Test cricket I’ve ever personally witnessed. He’s phenomenal
Most devastating all round cricketer ever? Probably Greatest? Not really
I guess Gary Sobers sets quite a high bar, so you might be right. I am feeling quite emosh
Stokes is the most exciting player I’ve ever seen. That is for sure
Jack Kallis enters the chat....better Test averages, better ODI averages....far more runs, far more wickets in both forms of the game.
He wasn't so much an all-rounder in the sense of well he can bat quite well and bowl quite well, he was a genuine elite batter, while at the same time first change fast bowler for SA and could have been picked for that alone...and on top of all of that, he managed to keep that up until 37 years of age.
The way the game has fragmented, I doubt we will see a player ever do what Kallis did again.
I doubt any of us will see the likes of Stokes again, either
Top ten all time cricketer, for sure. Not just batsman or bowler or all rounder. Just "cricketer"
We have been lucky to witness it - even luckier that he's playing for England!
I saw Botham in his prime and Stokes is even more entertaining, talismanic and exhilarating
Was it only me who found his admission that he had to have his recent statement to the Select Committee checked for spelling and grammar quite moving?
Is Ben stokes the greatest all round cricketer ever? I’d say yes. That was certainly the best innings of Test cricket I’ve ever personally witnessed. He’s phenomenal
Most devastating all round cricketer ever? Probably Greatest? Not really
I guess Gary Sobers sets quite a high bar, so you might be right. I am feeling quite emosh
Stokes is the most exciting player I’ve ever seen. That is for sure
Jack Kallis enters the chat....better Test averages, better ODI averages....far more runs, far more wickets in both forms of the game.
He wasn't so much an all-rounder in the sense of well he can bat quite well and bowl quite well, he was a genuine elite batter, while at the same time first change fast bowler for SA and could have been picked for that alone...and on top of all of that, he managed to keep that up until 37 years of age.
The way the game has fragmented, I doubt we will see a player ever do what Kallis did again.
I doubt any of us will see the likes of Stokes again, either
Top ten all time cricketer, for sure. Not just batsman or bowler or all rounder. Just "cricketer"
We have been lucky to witness it - even luckier that he's playing for England!
I saw Botham in his prime and Stokes is even more entertaining, talismanic and exhilarating
I am sure at the time of Botham, people said they would never see that again. Then we had Flintoff and now Stokes. Stokes raw numbers aren't that impressive, it is the heroics at crucial times. The special superman powers he has in those special moments.
The game obviously has changed, I would also argue that Botham faced better bowling attacks in test cricket. The West Indies and Australia attacks were as fast if not faster than anything today, on shittier pitches and yet Botham's batting average is only a couple of runs less than Stokes and he was a much better bowler.
Nobody these days has an attack of 90+ mph x 4, who went flat out game in, game out, which is what West Indies had, on super juicy pitches. The modern pitches on the whole are much slower and less unpredictable.
Suella Braverman’s rhetoric about child sexual abuse and grooming gangs has cost her the support of an influential Conservative backer, Steve Baker, in a sign her hardline approach to culture war issues could hamper her chances of becoming Tory leader.
Baker, a Tory MP on the Brexiter right of the party, who is now a Northern Ireland minister, was Braverman’s de facto campaign manager when she stood to succeed Boris Johnson as Conservative leader and prime minister last summer.
While Braverman, now the home secretary, was eliminated in the second round of MPs’ voting, her candidacy was seen as a marker for a possible future contest, one likely if the Conservatives lose the next general election.
However, it is understood Baker has decided he would not back Braverman again because of serious concerns over the way she has approached the issue of so-called grooming gangs.
As Baker will almost certainly lose his marginal Wycombe seat to Labour at the general election I doubt Suella cares.
By the time she likely runs for Tory Leader of the Opposition, Baker will be a very ex MP and not even able to vote in the MP rounds
And that sums up you and the whole sorry story of the right and Johnson as your hero
You are actually celebrating the career end of a conservative mp
Shame on you, and go and join RefUK as that is where you and the ERG truly belong
More than one of your posts of late have celebrated what you believe will be the end of various Tory MPs' careers. Perhaps you should take some of the shame you seem so keen to dish out.
Sadly because of Johnson and your beloved Truss conservative mps across the land are facing a career ending election
The conservative party will only obtain office by moving to the centre ground (one nation conservatives) and marginalising those who have brought it into shame and disrepute
Thatcher won from the right three times, as did Boris on Brexit at least in 2019. On the other side Attlee won for Labour from the left twice. The centre ground isn't the only electable option 100% of the time, even if it is most of the time
Thatcher was closer to the centre than Michael Foot. The Clown was closer to the centre than Mr. Thicky.
Thatcher wasn't closer to the centre than Callaghan in 1979 though and arguably not closer to the centre than Kinnock either in 1987.
By the current Johnsonian/Trussian iteration of the Conservative Party, Thatcher (of whom I was never a fan) would be considered a raging Trot.
Thatcher would have baulked at the idea of Braverman, 30p Lee or Jonathan Gullis anywhere near the levers of Government.
Nothing wrong with Braverman. I think Thatcher would have quite liked her. A decade earning her wings and she'll be ready for middling office. (Braverman's presumption is astonishing)
I suspect she would have been more alarmed by the rise of such a lightweight as Braverman. She probably would have considered Anderson and Gullis to be wholly unserious politicians worthy only of contempt.
Mrs Thatcher would not have had Suella Braverman in her Cabinet for the simple reason she did not promote women. Baroness Young as Leader of the House of Lords was the only (other) woman in the Cabinet in her decade in office, so far as I can see from: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ministers_under_Margaret_Thatcher
Is Ben stokes the greatest all round cricketer ever? I’d say yes. That was certainly the best innings of Test cricket I’ve ever personally witnessed. He’s phenomenal
Cricketing all-rounders who have become Prime Minister: Alec Douglas-Home; Imran Khan. Any others? CB Fry was reputedly offered the Albanian throne but he did not bowl.
I’m sure Trump would tell you that he’s a fabulous all rounder if you asked him.
I never did like the Fifth Doctor. Though Peri on the other hand...
Is Ben stokes the greatest all round cricketer ever? I’d say yes. That was certainly the best innings of Test cricket I’ve ever personally witnessed. He’s phenomenal
Most devastating all round cricketer ever? Probably Greatest? Not really
I guess Gary Sobers sets quite a high bar, so you might be right. I am feeling quite emosh
Stokes is the most exciting player I’ve ever seen. That is for sure
Jack Kallis enters the chat....better Test averages, better ODI averages....far more runs, far more wickets in both forms of the game.
He wasn't so much an all-rounder in the sense of well he can bat quite well and bowl quite well, he was a genuine elite batter, while at the same time first change fast bowler for SA and could have been picked for that alone...and on top of all of that, he managed to keep that up until 37 years of age.
The way the game has fragmented, I doubt we will see a player ever do what Kallis did again.
I doubt any of us will see the likes of Stokes again, either
Top ten all time cricketer, for sure. Not just batsman or bowler or all rounder. Just "cricketer"
We have been lucky to witness it - even luckier that he's playing for England!
I saw Botham in his prime and Stokes is even more entertaining, talismanic and exhilarating
I am sure at the time of Botham, people said they would never see that again. Then we had Flintoff and now Stokes. Stokes raw numbers aren't that impressive, it is the heroics at crucial times. The special superman powers he has in those special moments.
The game obviously has changed, I would also argue that Botham faced better bowling attacks in test cricket. The West Indies and Australia attacks were as fast if not faster than anything today, on shittier pitches and yet Botham's batting average is only a couple of runs less than Stokes and he was a much better bowler.
Nobody these days has an attack of 90+ mph x 4, who went flat out game in, game out, which is what West Indies had.
But Stokes DOES those special moments
Like, today, when he smashed that massive six, going from 82, to 88, and then he hit another, immedately after, going to 94, and the whole ground drew breath and all we could think was, like: surely not, surely he can't do this, a third consecutive six to get to the hundred?
And this in the last day of an Ashes match at Lords?
And yet, that's what he did. The third six = a century
At his best he does these cartoon superhero feats, which leave you stupefied, and the stats don't quite capture that. I'd actually be interested to know how many test cricketers have ever reached 100 with 3 consecutive sixes. Possibly never done before in an Ashes series?
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Great afternoon at the National Trust, and .. er .. (sorry) .. auditing what I think is an unlawful Puffin Crossing, with the gap in the middle so narrow that a mobility scooter can't even get across the crossing.
Ironically it is only 250m from the local hospital on the active travel route for tens of thousands of people. Now to check whether Highways get an exemption from the Equality Act for pedestrian crossings, then ask them to sort it out.
Also a fantastic File on (Radio) Four about the first conviction for human trafficking for the purposes of organ donation, where a senior Nigerian politician (Senator) has received an 8.5 year prison sentence in the UK.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m001n1s4
They are a destructive force and if any of them fail to win re-election then they have failed to convince the public they are one nation conservatives which is the only way to power
Tories = England
He came to a school where my mum was on the staff, and they gave him the bat off a keyring, so he headed the tennis ball instead.
One big problem of the pensionerism that will dominate UK politics for the next decade or so is that all their reflexes will be wrong because all the lessons are out of date.
You can see the decline over those years, from some pretty funny, tongue in cheek, gonzo type stuff, to people just phoning it in by the end. And Grub Smith! I forgot about him... I understand it staggered on for another decade after that but by then was just a paint by numbers jobbie. Even Viz feels that way these days, and that was still good well into the 2000s.
Off on a tangent, but another interesting comment I saw on the FT recently - Martin Amis was the Jordan Peterson of his time, bit of a guru for young lads trying to figure out how to be men. FHM very much filled that gap for me as a teen in the 90s. Young men need older men to tell them how it all works, and I kinda feel sad that this generation is stuck with Andrew Tate when we had Amis and FHM...
Attended by EIGHT fire engines. And a fire boat.
Do they, or their insurance company get sent an invoice? If they hit a lamp post their insurance would pay.
Stewards decision - stand by folks, the race results could be about to change. According to the @FIA over 1200 instances where a car may have exceeded track limits were reported during the race
https://twitter.com/CroftyF1/status/1675563440734187520/photo/1
Yes, the budget was presented poorly. Yes it damaged its stated goals. That doesn’t mean the actual execution of the measures would have proved harmful - quite the opposite in my opinion.
The mini budget was a car crash. Anyone trying to excuse it is as economically and politically illiterate as Liz Truss. Sunak is doing exactly what Margaret Thatcher did - first attempt to create stability, then the more radical approaches can be followed from a position of strength at a later date. Anything else is just kindergarten stuff; fantasy economics that leads to disaster.
Great entertainment for the non aligned, though the traditional choruses of Cheating Aussie bastards countered by Whinging Pommy bastards get a bit tedious.
Plus those living in rural areas, albeit apart from farmers a high percentage of them are pensioners too
Apologies but this isn't obvious to me from the thread?
Has "more centrist of the big two wins" ever failed in modern times? 1979 perhaps, though that's partly false memory of how radical Maggie promised to be (less than it turned out).
Had the numbskulls trying to camp on the rowing club boat ramp on Saturday. They actually got upset when we marched the boats down the ramp - ‘cause of the layout, taking an eight down does a nice sweep of the morons…
"What makes this inaction by the Home Office so contemptible is the contrast with the way politicians jump on these issues when they think it makes them look good or if they can attack an opponent. Suella Braverman did just that with her recent comments on grooming gangs and ethnicity, claiming that it was political correctness which prevented action. And yet when given the opportunity to act her department does little or nothing."
If that is why Baker is no longer supporting her, good for him.
I think Margaret Thatcher successfully redefined the political boundaries and I'd argue she redefined the centre ground so that was where she was - in other words, instead of moving to where the voters were, she moved the voters to where she was.
Edit - 4th time might be a black and white flag and 5th time might be the penalty, I always get confused. But basically you only get a few infringements.
I wonder which other prominent Conservatives will be weighing up the merits of a (professional) deathbed conversion. My money is on Gove.
Go across them with all four wheels, and you’ve ‘exceeded track limits’.
It’s a regulation irregularly enforced, to put it mildly.
Today several drivers were penalised but if the rumours are true the stewards only picked up on 300 of the 1,200 infractions.
But yes. Amis and FHM seemed ghastly at the time, now they are the last stand of a better, more innocent age.
(And to +1 an earlier point in this thread, journalism is an excellent example of where a free market and profit motive don't improve the quality of the product.)
Thatcher would have baulked at the idea of Braverman, 30p Lee or Jonathan Gullis anywhere near the levers of Government.
So they will have a bit more than £4,000.
It's probably a meme about how you should not put your trust in memes.
You're probably right though, which means that pensionerism, property speculation and the harvesting of rents will be the main planks of the economy for several decades yet. Time to get real, give up on change and start planning how best to game the system accordingly.
- they have an extremely short-term focus, even when they are looking at long-term assets. They continually misprice long-dated assets - for example, if you look at futures prices, they are much better predictors of the spot price than of the price of the asset at the settlement date
- they always overshoot in their reactions to news events (see Dornbusch (1976))
- they, like the rest of us, are prone to moods. That's likely why the biggest crashes happen in October (1907, 1929, 1987, 2008) - people are starting to get SAD
- as individuals, they are terrified of being out of line with their peers. As with most professions, it is better to be wrong if everybody else is than right at the wrong time. This means they have a bias towards relying on official forecasts and statistics, not because they have good track records, but because everybody else does
- a surprising number of market participants know very little economics, and have even less interest in it
- they are dominated by Americans, whose knowledge of, and even interest in, foreign countries is pretty absymal.
The psychology of financial markets is a big academic area in economics. But the point of all that is that markets can be manipulated by moods and presentation. So we should not assume that it was impossible for Truss to win markets over to her plans, or some version of them anyway. When she announced some of them in the summer, there was no adverse market reaction, even though she was the front-runner in the leadership race.
But I am reminded of the Yes, Prime Minister scene with the party political broadcast. If you want to be radical in what you say, you need to have a reassuring, traditional background, whereas if you've nothing to say, you should talk in front of modernist decor. Truss and Kwasi should have shown how we'd still have lower government debt than France, Italy or Japan, they should have done everything they could to get 365 reputable economists to back their plan, the OBR should have been listened to, a prawn cocktail offensive should have been mounted, etc., etc. Instead, well, we all know what they did.
Would that have been enough? We'll never know.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZF6LyGne7Q
Quote:
"In uncertainty avoiding societies, aggression and emotions may sometimes be vented".
https://www.hofstede-insights.com/country-comparison-tool?countries=france,united+kingdom
Phase 2 would be after the first big scandal happened, which would have meant casting him into the outer darkness, never to be seen again.
Therefore before the weekend, the stewards pronounce *which* corners they will take notice of the infringement, and tell the drivers. Occasionally they add a corner onto the list during the meeting, e.g. during practice.
Therefore a driver can exceed the track limits at a corner and for it not to be of any concern. Although 1,200 does seem a lot. Then there are the cases where someone does it whilst overtaking, which is also often a no-no. All AIUI, but the rulebook can be rather odd, as we've seen.
“Spoke to my wife while twitter was down. She seems nice. A nurse apparently.”
The past, as they say, is a foreign country...
I think that's part of the problem here - it's so ubiquitous to push the lines that way that when you actually try to police it to that level, you find basically everyone's doing at some point...
The MCC have suspended 3 members pending an investigation after the incident in the Long Room earlier.
https://twitter.com/GeorgeDobell1/status/1675574324563005441
He wasn't so much an all-rounder in the sense of well he can bat quite well and bowl quite well, he was a genuine elite batter, while at the same time first change fast bowler for SA and could have been picked for that alone...and on top of all of that, he managed to keep that up until 37 years of age.
The way the game has fragmented, I doubt we will see a player ever do what Kallis did again.
Stokes is a special talent who has performed heroic at crucial times, however he has never had elite stats at batting or bowling.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ministers_under_Margaret_Thatcher
Though if he *has* been cancelled then clearly to my eternal shame.
God, this is fecking complicated.
Top ten all time cricketer, for sure. Not just batsman or bowler or all rounder. Just "cricketer"
We have been lucky to witness it - even luckier that he's playing for England!
I saw Botham in his prime and Stokes is even more entertaining, talismanic and exhilarating
A valuable life lesson I think.
The game obviously has changed, I would also argue that Botham faced better bowling attacks in test cricket. The West Indies and Australia attacks were as fast if not faster than anything today, on shittier pitches and yet Botham's batting average is only a couple of runs less than Stokes and he was a much better bowler.
Nobody these days has an attack of 90+ mph x 4, who went flat out game in, game out, which is what West Indies had, on super juicy pitches. The modern pitches on the whole are much slower and less unpredictable.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_female_cabinet_members_of_the_United_Kingdom
Like, today, when he smashed that massive six, going from 82, to 88, and then he hit another, immedately after, going to 94, and the whole ground drew breath and all we could think was, like: surely not, surely he can't do this, a third consecutive six to get to the hundred?
And this in the last day of an Ashes match at Lords?
And yet, that's what he did. The third six = a century
At his best he does these cartoon superhero feats, which leave you stupefied, and the stats don't quite capture that. I'd actually be interested to know how many test cricketers have ever reached 100 with 3 consecutive sixes. Possibly never done before in an Ashes series?