Who could have failed to be impressed by the appearance of the St Augustine bible which he brought from Rome 1425 years ago?
That was absolutely gobsmackingly magnificent. If I were to choose one thing from the day that would. Then ZA-DOCK the PRIEST Rejoice, Rejoice, Rejoice
That said, one underrated moment was Chas in his cassock just before he was anointed. There was a hell of a lot of history in that. The King humble before the Lord as he prepared to accept his sacred role.
Yes, that was a superb and poignant moment.
For me if would be Zadok. The build up is magnificent: the slow crescendo until you think it’s about to climax, then the surprise easing down, then the renewed and even more urgent crescendo before that deafening first line. I’ve sung it many times as both treble and tenor, though not for a few years now, and it’s one of those pieces that gets the spine shivering. But in the context of an actual coronation it’s at another level.
As many have commented it does unfortunately nowadays get one thinking of the Champions league too, but not even that’s enough to spoil it.
Who could have failed to be impressed by the appearance of the St Augustine bible which he brought from Rome 1425 years ago?
That was absolutely gobsmackingly magnificent. If I were to choose one thing from the day that would. Then ZA-DOCK the PRIEST Rejoice, Rejoice, Rejoice
That said, one underrated moment was Chas in his cassock just before he was anointed. There was a hell of a lot of history in that. The King humble before the Lord as he prepared to accept his sacred role.
A question if I may....the governement whether labour , tory or lib dem restricts the right to do something....it is a civil liberty matter.... I agree
Protestors who are probably a small minority of people compared to the electorate restrict the right to do something such as drive down a road....why is that them not restricting civil liberties?
I am all for the right of protest......I really don't give a damn about your right to protest when it interferes with my right to ignore you and deem you ignorant twats with neither a case nor a relevant cause.
It’s a good question worth asking.
A few thoughts that might or might not add up to an answer: - restrictions of other people’s rights through eg road protests are temporary and the exception cf a temporary Covid lockdown not posing the same civil liberties issues as compared to permanently requiring voter ID*. - the downside of restricting people’s rights through protest has the very significant upside that it provides a way for citizens to challenge state power. States restricting individuals’ rights doesn’t have the same upside so is harder to justify. - The right to protest is only a meaningful limit on state power if it inconveniences people. That’s not pretty, but is probably necessary.
* I think sometimes XR protests stretch this ‘temporary and exceptional’ criterion and lose legitimacy as a result. -
Fair point, and while I am in general in favour of the right to protest. I do draw the line where there right to protest impinges on my rights to do stuff. Really don't give a rats arse how temporary it is.
Simple fact is protest in my view is absolutely pointless, if it ever changed anything they may have an argument. Legal protest even the million or two that marched against the iraq war never changed a single thing. Now protests that are violent and illegal have done so which argues legal protest is pointless so just forbid it all as only protests that are illegal even before the laws were changed ever made a difference...thinking poll tax her. Only example I can actually come up with is poll tax right now
What often isn’t discussed is the right to protest and/or the right to disruptive protest.
Some years ago, I was discussing the tactic of kettling with some of the professional protest types. Their view that it was evil, wrong, immoral etc, not because of some fundamental rights.
But because it blocked their ability to stage a *disruptive* protest.
Kettling is okay in my view.
Otoh I remember a climate protest ( might have been called climate camp?) where a bunch of people set up tents on Liverpool Street, blocking it for a few hours. The police cleared it by just walking in a line in riot gear down the street, arm in arm. They trampled all the tents, some with people still inside. That went over the line of state violence in my view (although I can see why they felt there was no other option).
I caused some confusion in the conversation by asking if the Police didn’t have a right to disruptive, law breaking protest as well…
I know you’re being slightly tongue-in-cheek but the obvious answer is that the police represent state power and the protesters don’t!
Simple solution...allow people to deal with protestors...if the protestors have the support of most people they wont have any problems....when they are just disruptive arseholes that have no public support they will end up being dumped on the side of the road after being forcibly deglued from roads they are blocking.....shouldnt be an issue I would have thought as these protestors claim the public is behind them
A question if I may....the governement whether labour , tory or lib dem restricts the right to do something....it is a civil liberty matter.... I agree
Protestors who are probably a small minority of people compared to the electorate restrict the right to do something such as drive down a road....why is that them not restricting civil liberties?
I am all for the right of protest......I really don't give a damn about your right to protest when it interferes with my right to ignore you and deem you ignorant twats with neither a case nor a relevant cause.
It’s a good question worth asking.
A few thoughts that might or might not add up to an answer: - restrictions of other people’s rights through eg road protests are temporary and the exception cf a temporary Covid lockdown not posing the same civil liberties issues as compared to permanently requiring voter ID*. - the downside of restricting people’s rights through protest has the very significant upside that it provides a way for citizens to challenge state power. States restricting individuals’ rights doesn’t have the same upside so is harder to justify. - The right to protest is only a meaningful limit on state power if it inconveniences people. That’s not pretty, but is probably necessary.
* I think sometimes XR protests stretch this ‘temporary and exceptional’ criterion and lose legitimacy as a result. -
Fair point, and while I am in general in favour of the right to protest. I do draw the line where there right to protest impinges on my rights to do stuff. Really don't give a rats arse how temporary it is.
Simple fact is protest in my view is absolutely pointless, if it ever changed anything they may have an argument. Legal protest even the million or two that marched against the iraq war never changed a single thing. Now protests that are violent and illegal have done so which argues legal protest is pointless so just forbid it all as only protests that are illegal even before the laws were changed ever made a difference...thinking poll tax her. Only example I can actually come up with is poll tax right now
What often isn’t discussed is the right to protest and/or the right to disruptive protest.
Some years ago, I was discussing the tactic of kettling with some of the professional protest types. Their view that it was evil, wrong, immoral etc, not because of some fundamental rights.
But because it blocked their ability to stage a *disruptive* protest.
Kettling is okay in my view.
Otoh I remember a climate protest ( might have been called climate camp?) where a bunch of people set up tents on Liverpool Street, blocking it for a few hours. The police cleared it by just walking in a line in riot gear down the street, arm in arm. They trampled all the tents, some with people still inside. That went over the line of state violence in my view (although I can see why they felt there was no other option).
I caused some confusion in the conversation by asking if the Police didn’t have a right to disruptive, law breaking protest as well…
I know you’re being slightly tongue-in-cheek but the obvious answer is that the police represent state power and the protesters don’t!
But the police are, quite specifically, supposed to be just citizens doing a job. Rather than a paramilitary force with legal immunities etc. See Peelian principles…
Where does it say they lose the rights of an ordinary citizen?
A question if I may....the governement whether labour , tory or lib dem restricts the right to do something....it is a civil liberty matter.... I agree
Protestors who are probably a small minority of people compared to the electorate restrict the right to do something such as drive down a road....why is that them not restricting civil liberties?
I am all for the right of protest......I really don't give a damn about your right to protest when it interferes with my right to ignore you and deem you ignorant twats with neither a case nor a relevant cause.
It’s a good question worth asking.
A few thoughts that might or might not add up to an answer: - restrictions of other people’s rights through eg road protests are temporary and the exception cf a temporary Covid lockdown not posing the same civil liberties issues as compared to permanently requiring voter ID*. - the downside of restricting people’s rights through protest has the very significant upside that it provides a way for citizens to challenge state power. States restricting individuals’ rights doesn’t have the same upside so is harder to justify. - The right to protest is only a meaningful limit on state power if it inconveniences people. That’s not pretty, but is probably necessary.
* I think sometimes XR protests stretch this ‘temporary and exceptional’ criterion and lose legitimacy as a result. -
Fair point, and while I am in general in favour of the right to protest. I do draw the line where there right to protest impinges on my rights to do stuff. Really don't give a rats arse how temporary it is.
Simple fact is protest in my view is absolutely pointless, if it ever changed anything they may have an argument. Legal protest even the million or two that marched against the iraq war never changed a single thing. Now protests that are violent and illegal have done so which argues legal protest is pointless so just forbid it all as only protests that are illegal even before the laws were changed ever made a difference...thinking poll tax her. Only example I can actually come up with is poll tax right now
What often isn’t discussed is the right to protest and/or the right to disruptive protest.
Some years ago, I was discussing the tactic of kettling with some of the professional protest types. Their view that it was evil, wrong, immoral etc, not because of some fundamental rights.
But because it blocked their ability to stage a *disruptive* protest.
Kettling is okay in my view.
Otoh I remember a climate protest ( might have been called climate camp?) where a bunch of people set up tents on Liverpool Street, blocking it for a few hours. The police cleared it by just walking in a line in riot gear down the street, arm in arm. They trampled all the tents, some with people still inside. That went over the line of state violence in my view (although I can see why they felt there was no other option).
I caused some confusion in the conversation by asking if the Police didn’t have a right to disruptive, law breaking protest as well…
I know you’re being slightly tongue-in-cheek but the obvious answer is that the police represent state power and the protesters don’t!
But the police are, quite specifically, supposed to be just citizens doing a job. Rather than a paramilitary force with legal immunities etc. See Peelian principles…
Where does it say they lose the rights of an ordinary citizen?
tbf Maxh has a point the police are meant to be just that but as we have seen of late the police seem to think they are over and above ordinary citizens and normal codes of conduct don't apply to them
A question if I may....the governement whether labour , tory or lib dem restricts the right to do something....it is a civil liberty matter.... I agree
Protestors who are probably a small minority of people compared to the electorate restrict the right to do something such as drive down a road....why is that them not restricting civil liberties?
I am all for the right of protest......I really don't give a damn about your right to protest when it interferes with my right to ignore you and deem you ignorant twats with neither a case nor a relevant cause.
It’s a good question worth asking.
A few thoughts that might or might not add up to an answer: - restrictions of other people’s rights through eg road protests are temporary and the exception cf a temporary Covid lockdown not posing the same civil liberties issues as compared to permanently requiring voter ID*. - the downside of restricting people’s rights through protest has the very significant upside that it provides a way for citizens to challenge state power. States restricting individuals’ rights doesn’t have the same upside so is harder to justify. - The right to protest is only a meaningful limit on state power if it inconveniences people. That’s not pretty, but is probably necessary.
* I think sometimes XR protests stretch this ‘temporary and exceptional’ criterion and lose legitimacy as a result. -
Fair point, and while I am in general in favour of the right to protest. I do draw the line where there right to protest impinges on my rights to do stuff. Really don't give a rats arse how temporary it is.
Simple fact is protest in my view is absolutely pointless, if it ever changed anything they may have an argument. Legal protest even the million or two that marched against the iraq war never changed a single thing. Now protests that are violent and illegal have done so which argues legal protest is pointless so just forbid it all as only protests that are illegal even before the laws were changed ever made a difference...thinking poll tax her. Only example I can actually come up with is poll tax right now
What often isn’t discussed is the right to protest and/or the right to disruptive protest.
Some years ago, I was discussing the tactic of kettling with some of the professional protest types. Their view that it was evil, wrong, immoral etc, not because of some fundamental rights.
But because it blocked their ability to stage a *disruptive* protest.
Kettling is okay in my view.
Otoh I remember a climate protest ( might have been called climate camp?) where a bunch of people set up tents on Liverpool Street, blocking it for a few hours. The police cleared it by just walking in a line in riot gear down the street, arm in arm. They trampled all the tents, some with people still inside. That went over the line of state violence in my view (although I can see why they felt there was no other option).
I caused some confusion in the conversation by asking if the Police didn’t have a right to disruptive, law breaking protest as well…
I know you’re being slightly tongue-in-cheek but the obvious answer is that the police represent state power and the protesters don’t!
But the police are, quite specifically, supposed to be just citizens doing a job. Rather than a paramilitary force with legal immunities etc. See Peelian principles…
Where does it say they lose the rights of an ordinary citizen?
Yeah good point.
Though many ordinary citizens lose rights by dint of their employment. I definitely do as a teacher. That’s part of the role.
There was a camera angle from above as a detachment of the Blue and Royals was trit-trotting through which was pretty much exactly like those photos of 1953 or perhaps Churchill's funeral.
Perhaps it was the rain rendering everything colourless and the navy tunics accentuating the monochrome. It was a just a moment but one of a past age.
I assume that when the BBC said it was the biggest military procession for seventy years, it was Churchill’s funeral that holds the record?
Churchill's funral ppparently involved around 2,500 military personnel. This one was apparently 6,000.
Who could have failed to be impressed by the appearance of the St Augustine bible which he brought from Rome 1425 years ago?
That was absolutely gobsmackingly magnificent. If I were to choose one thing from the day that would. Then ZA-DOCK the PRIEST Rejoice, Rejoice, Rejoice
That said, one underrated moment was Chas in his cassock just before he was anointed. There was a hell of a lot of history in that. The King humble before the Lord as he prepared to accept his sacred role.
Yes, that was a superb and poignant moment.
For me if would be Zadok. The build up is magnificent: the slow crescendo until you think it’s about to climax, then the surprise easing down, then the renewed and even more urgent crescendo before that deafening first line. I’ve sung it many times as both treble and tenor, though not for a few years now, and it’s one of those pieces that gets the spine shivering. But in the context of an actual coronation it’s at another level.
As many have commented it does unfortunately nowadays get one thinking of the Champions league too, but not even that’s enough to spoil it.
Especially when it is (beautifully) sung for the anointing of an English king, in a coronation ceremony at Westminster Abbey. The exact thing it was designed to celebrate in the same exact place
That perfect collision of art, architecture, ritual, religion and history is extremely rare in human affairs. No wonder it was spine tingling
And apparently King Edgar in 973AD had a reading of “sadoc the prieste” at HIS coronation
So this is a 1100 year old ritual continuously celebrated - which further dates back to the writing of the Bible when the Jews were captive in Babylon
There was a camera angle from above as a detachment of the Blue and Royals was trit-trotting through which was pretty much exactly like those photos of 1953 or perhaps Churchill's funeral.
Perhaps it was the rain rendering everything colourless and the navy tunics accentuating the monochrome. It was a just a moment but one of a past age.
I assume that when the BBC said it was the biggest military procession for seventy years, it was Churchill’s funeral that holds the record?
Churchill's funral ppparently involved around 2,500 military personnel. This one was apparently 6,000.
So what happened seventy years ago?
The Coronation of Elizabeth II
I lost count of the number of times my grandmother stood to attention !!!!!
Who could have failed to be impressed by the appearance of the St Augustine bible which he brought from Rome 1425 years ago?
That was absolutely gobsmackingly magnificent. If I were to choose one thing from the day that would. Then ZA-DOCK the PRIEST Rejoice, Rejoice, Rejoice
That said, one underrated moment was Chas in his cassock just before he was anointed. There was a hell of a lot of history in that. The King humble before the Lord as he prepared to accept his sacred role.
Yes, that was a superb and poignant moment.
For me if would be Zadok. The build up is magnificent: the slow crescendo until you think it’s about to climax, then the surprise easing down, then the renewed and even more urgent crescendo before that deafening first line. I’ve sung it many times as both treble and tenor, though not for a few years now, and it’s one of those pieces that gets the spine shivering. But in the context of an actual coronation it’s at another level.
As many have commented it does unfortunately nowadays get one thinking of the Champions league too, but not even that’s enough to spoil it.
Especially when it is (beautifully) sung for the anointing of an English king, in a coronation ceremony at Westminster Abbey. The exact thing it was designed to celebrate in the same exact place
That perfect collision of art, architecture, ritual, religion and history is extremely rare in human affairs. No wonder it was spine tingling
And apparently King Edgar in 973AD had a reading of “sadoc the prieste” at HIS coronation
So this is a 1100 year old ritual continuously celebrated - which further dates back to the writing of the Bible when the Jews were captive in Babylon
He would have had that starring role in the Coronation !
Speaker ?
Lol. Yes she’s the Leader but it still applies . We would have had to suffer Mogg .
Weirdly it’s been commonly thought Penny was put in her current role to keep her out of mischief, but it’s actually given her an excellent profile now.
Who could have failed to be impressed by the appearance of the St Augustine bible which he brought from Rome 1425 years ago?
That was absolutely gobsmackingly magnificent. If I were to choose one thing from the day that would. Then ZA-DOCK the PRIEST Rejoice, Rejoice, Rejoice
That said, one underrated moment was Chas in his cassock just before he was anointed. There was a hell of a lot of history in that. The King humble before the Lord as he prepared to accept his sacred role.
Yes, that was a superb and poignant moment.
For me if would be Zadok. The build up is magnificent: the slow crescendo until you think it’s about to climax, then the surprise easing down, then the renewed and even more urgent crescendo before that deafening first line. I’ve sung it many times as both treble and tenor, though not for a few years now, and it’s one of those pieces that gets the spine shivering. But in the context of an actual coronation it’s at another level.
As many have commented it does unfortunately nowadays get one thinking of the Champions league too, but not even that’s enough to spoil it.
Especially when it is (beautifully) sung for the anointing of an English king, in a coronation ceremony at Westminster Abbey. The exact thing it was designed to celebrate in the same exact place
That perfect collision of art, architecture, ritual, religion and history is extremely rare in human affairs. No wonder it was spine tingling
And apparently King Edgar in 973AD had a reading of “sadoc the prieste” at HIS coronation
So this is a 1100 year old ritual continuously celebrated - which further dates back to the writing of the Bible when the Jews were captive in Babylon
Who could have failed to be impressed by the appearance of the St Augustine bible which he brought from Rome 1425 years ago?
That was absolutely gobsmackingly magnificent. If I were to choose one thing from the day that would. Then ZA-DOCK the PRIEST Rejoice, Rejoice, Rejoice
That said, one underrated moment was Chas in his cassock just before he was anointed. There was a hell of a lot of history in that. The King humble before the Lord as he prepared to accept his sacred role.
Yes, that was a superb and poignant moment.
For me if would be Zadok. The build up is magnificent: the slow crescendo until you think it’s about to climax, then the surprise easing down, then the renewed and even more urgent crescendo before that deafening first line. I’ve sung it many times as both treble and tenor, though not for a few years now, and it’s one of those pieces that gets the spine shivering. But in the context of an actual coronation it’s at another level.
As many have commented it does unfortunately nowadays get one thinking of the Champions league too, but not even that’s enough to spoil it.
Especially when it is (beautifully) sung for the anointing of an English king, in a coronation ceremony at Westminster Abbey. The exact thing it was designed to celebrate in the same exact place
That perfect collision of art, architecture, ritual, religion and history is extremely rare in human affairs. No wonder it was spine tingling
And apparently King Edgar in 973AD had a reading of “sadoc the prieste” at HIS coronation
So this is a 1100 year old ritual continuously celebrated - which further dates back to the writing of the Bible when the Jews were captive in Babylon
Before OGH or one of his minions pulls the plug on this Coronation thread, want to echo the kudos for VIEWCODE and his timely, thoughtful, lyrical contribution.
Speaking of "Anglo-Saxons" as King Edward the Confessor would say - þancas!
Britain’s FBI was drafted in by Scottish police to help with their investigation into the SNP’s finances, it can be revealed.
Officers from the National Crime Agency, which leads the fight to cut serious and organised crime, were commissioned several months before Nicola Sturgeon’s husband, Peter Murrell, was arrested.
The specialist team were asked to assess the progress of the investigation, bringing a fresh pair of eyes to the evidence collected, and identify any possible lines of inquiry.
The officers, likely to have been financial crime experts, conducted a “peer review” of the operation over several weeks between October and December.
Police Scotland has been investigating reports of fraud over £600,000 of donations apparently ring-fenced for the campaign for independence since 2021. Specialist officers in Scotland have been asking senior figures in the SNP about their tax affairs, sources said.
Who could have failed to be impressed by the appearance of the St Augustine bible which he brought from Rome 1425 years ago?
That was absolutely gobsmackingly magnificent. If I were to choose one thing from the day that would. Then ZA-DOCK the PRIEST Rejoice, Rejoice, Rejoice
That said, one underrated moment was Chas in his cassock just before he was anointed. There was a hell of a lot of history in that. The King humble before the Lord as he prepared to accept his sacred role.
Yes, that was a superb and poignant moment.
For me if would be Zadok. The build up is magnificent: the slow crescendo until you think it’s about to climax, then the surprise easing down, then the renewed and even more urgent crescendo before that deafening first line. I’ve sung it many times as both treble and tenor, though not for a few years now, and it’s one of those pieces that gets the spine shivering. But in the context of an actual coronation it’s at another level.
As many have commented it does unfortunately nowadays get one thinking of the Champions league too, but not even that’s enough to spoil it.
It was a highlight, and I was impressed by how the conductors kept everything in synch. I have had the same experience singing it as a tenor (and that intro...) but once memorably the choir I guested with was so awful that the approach of the "tenors" was to shout their way through it so for the performance I gave up and sang alto instead. And haven't sung it since! Also my daughter's favourite piece - and the other one loves I Was Glad so they were both well served today.
Who could have failed to be impressed by the appearance of the St Augustine bible which he brought from Rome 1425 years ago?
That was absolutely gobsmackingly magnificent. If I were to choose one thing from the day that would. Then ZA-DOCK the PRIEST Rejoice, Rejoice, Rejoice
That said, one underrated moment was Chas in his cassock just before he was anointed. There was a hell of a lot of history in that. The King humble before the Lord as he prepared to accept his sacred role.
Yes, that was a superb and poignant moment.
For me if would be Zadok. The build up is magnificent: the slow crescendo until you think it’s about to climax, then the surprise easing down, then the renewed and even more urgent crescendo before that deafening first line. I’ve sung it many times as both treble and tenor, though not for a few years now, and it’s one of those pieces that gets the spine shivering. But in the context of an actual coronation it’s at another level.
As many have commented it does unfortunately nowadays get one thinking of the Champions league too, but not even that’s enough to spoil it.
Especially when it is (beautifully) sung for the anointing of an English king, in a coronation ceremony at Westminster Abbey. The exact thing it was designed to celebrate in the same exact place
That perfect collision of art, architecture, ritual, religion and history is extremely rare in human affairs. No wonder it was spine tingling
And apparently King Edgar in 973AD had a reading of “sadoc the prieste” at HIS coronation
So this is a 1100 year old ritual continuously celebrated - which further dates back to the writing of the Bible when the Jews were captive in Babylon
A question if I may....the governement whether labour , tory or lib dem restricts the right to do something....it is a civil liberty matter.... I agree
Protestors who are probably a small minority of people compared to the electorate restrict the right to do something such as drive down a road....why is that them not restricting civil liberties?
I am all for the right of protest......I really don't give a damn about your right to protest when it interferes with my right to ignore you and deem you ignorant twats with neither a case nor a relevant cause.
It’s a good question worth asking.
A few thoughts that might or might not add up to an answer: - restrictions of other people’s rights through eg road protests are temporary and the exception cf a temporary Covid lockdown not posing the same civil liberties issues as compared to permanently requiring voter ID*. - the downside of restricting people’s rights through protest has the very significant upside that it provides a way for citizens to challenge state power. States restricting individuals’ rights doesn’t have the same upside so is harder to justify. - The right to protest is only a meaningful limit on state power if it inconveniences people. That’s not pretty, but is probably necessary.
* I think sometimes XR protests stretch this ‘temporary and exceptional’ criterion and lose legitimacy as a result. -
Fair point, and while I am in general in favour of the right to protest. I do draw the line where there right to protest impinges on my rights to do stuff. Really don't give a rats arse how temporary it is.
Simple fact is protest in my view is absolutely pointless, if it ever changed anything they may have an argument. Legal protest even the million or two that marched against the iraq war never changed a single thing. Now protests that are violent and illegal have done so which argues legal protest is pointless so just forbid it all as only protests that are illegal even before the laws were changed ever made a difference...thinking poll tax her. Only example I can actually come up with is poll tax right now
What often isn’t discussed is the right to protest and/or the right to disruptive protest.
Some years ago, I was discussing the tactic of kettling with some of the professional protest types. Their view that it was evil, wrong, immoral etc, not because of some fundamental rights.
But because it blocked their ability to stage a *disruptive* protest.
Kettling is okay in my view.
Otoh I remember a climate protest ( might have been called climate camp?) where a bunch of people set up tents on Liverpool Street, blocking it for a few hours. The police cleared it by just walking in a line in riot gear down the street, arm in arm. They trampled all the tents, some with people still inside. That went over the line of state violence in my view (although I can see why they felt there was no other option).
I caused some confusion in the conversation by asking if the Police didn’t have a right to disruptive, law breaking protest as well…
I know you’re being slightly tongue-in-cheek but the obvious answer is that the police represent state power and the protesters don’t!
But the police are, quite specifically, supposed to be just citizens doing a job. Rather than a paramilitary force with legal immunities etc. See Peelian principles…
Where does it say they lose the rights of an ordinary citizen?
Yeah good point.
Though many ordinary citizens lose rights by dint of their employment. I definitely do as a teacher. That’s part of the role.
But do the Police lose the right to shove people around, mask up and shout “Fuck the anarchists” ?
A question if I may....the governement whether labour , tory or lib dem restricts the right to do something....it is a civil liberty matter.... I agree
Protestors who are probably a small minority of people compared to the electorate restrict the right to do something such as drive down a road....why is that them not restricting civil liberties?
I am all for the right of protest......I really don't give a damn about your right to protest when it interferes with my right to ignore you and deem you ignorant twats with neither a case nor a relevant cause.
It’s a good question worth asking.
A few thoughts that might or might not add up to an answer: - restrictions of other people’s rights through eg road protests are temporary and the exception cf a temporary Covid lockdown not posing the same civil liberties issues as compared to permanently requiring voter ID*. - the downside of restricting people’s rights through protest has the very significant upside that it provides a way for citizens to challenge state power. States restricting individuals’ rights doesn’t have the same upside so is harder to justify. - The right to protest is only a meaningful limit on state power if it inconveniences people. That’s not pretty, but is probably necessary.
* I think sometimes XR protests stretch this ‘temporary and exceptional’ criterion and lose legitimacy as a result. -
Fair point, and while I am in general in favour of the right to protest. I do draw the line where there right to protest impinges on my rights to do stuff. Really don't give a rats arse how temporary it is.
Simple fact is protest in my view is absolutely pointless, if it ever changed anything they may have an argument. Legal protest even the million or two that marched against the iraq war never changed a single thing. Now protests that are violent and illegal have done so which argues legal protest is pointless so just forbid it all as only protests that are illegal even before the laws were changed ever made a difference...thinking poll tax her. Only example I can actually come up with is poll tax right now
What often isn’t discussed is the right to protest and/or the right to disruptive protest.
Some years ago, I was discussing the tactic of kettling with some of the professional protest types. Their view that it was evil, wrong, immoral etc, not because of some fundamental rights.
But because it blocked their ability to stage a *disruptive* protest.
Kettling is okay in my view.
Otoh I remember a climate protest ( might have been called climate camp?) where a bunch of people set up tents on Liverpool Street, blocking it for a few hours. The police cleared it by just walking in a line in riot gear down the street, arm in arm. They trampled all the tents, some with people still inside. That went over the line of state violence in my view (although I can see why they felt there was no other option).
I caused some confusion in the conversation by asking if the Police didn’t have a right to disruptive, law breaking protest as well…
I know you’re being slightly tongue-in-cheek but the obvious answer is that the police represent state power and the protesters don’t!
But the police are, quite specifically, supposed to be just citizens doing a job. Rather than a paramilitary force with legal immunities etc. See Peelian principles…
Where does it say they lose the rights of an ordinary citizen?
Yeah good point.
Though many ordinary citizens lose rights by dint of their employment. I definitely do as a teacher. That’s part of the role.
But do the Police lose the right to shove people around, mask up and shout “Fuck the anarchists” ?
Can I just check if the people involved are either black or female? Asking for a constable.....
A question if I may....the governement whether labour , tory or lib dem restricts the right to do something....it is a civil liberty matter.... I agree
Protestors who are probably a small minority of people compared to the electorate restrict the right to do something such as drive down a road....why is that them not restricting civil liberties?
I am all for the right of protest......I really don't give a damn about your right to protest when it interferes with my right to ignore you and deem you ignorant twats with neither a case nor a relevant cause.
It’s a good question worth asking.
A few thoughts that might or might not add up to an answer: - restrictions of other people’s rights through eg road protests are temporary and the exception cf a temporary Covid lockdown not posing the same civil liberties issues as compared to permanently requiring voter ID*. - the downside of restricting people’s rights through protest has the very significant upside that it provides a way for citizens to challenge state power. States restricting individuals’ rights doesn’t have the same upside so is harder to justify. - The right to protest is only a meaningful limit on state power if it inconveniences people. That’s not pretty, but is probably necessary.
* I think sometimes XR protests stretch this ‘temporary and exceptional’ criterion and lose legitimacy as a result. -
Fair point, and while I am in general in favour of the right to protest. I do draw the line where there right to protest impinges on my rights to do stuff. Really don't give a rats arse how temporary it is.
Simple fact is protest in my view is absolutely pointless, if it ever changed anything they may have an argument. Legal protest even the million or two that marched against the iraq war never changed a single thing. Now protests that are violent and illegal have done so which argues legal protest is pointless so just forbid it all as only protests that are illegal even before the laws were changed ever made a difference...thinking poll tax her. Only example I can actually come up with is poll tax right now
What often isn’t discussed is the right to protest and/or the right to disruptive protest.
Some years ago, I was discussing the tactic of kettling with some of the professional protest types. Their view that it was evil, wrong, immoral etc, not because of some fundamental rights.
But because it blocked their ability to stage a *disruptive* protest.
Kettling is okay in my view.
Otoh I remember a climate protest ( might have been called climate camp?) where a bunch of people set up tents on Liverpool Street, blocking it for a few hours. The police cleared it by just walking in a line in riot gear down the street, arm in arm. They trampled all the tents, some with people still inside. That went over the line of state violence in my view (although I can see why they felt there was no other option).
I caused some confusion in the conversation by asking if the Police didn’t have a right to disruptive, law breaking protest as well…
I know you’re being slightly tongue-in-cheek but the obvious answer is that the police represent state power and the protesters don’t!
But the police are, quite specifically, supposed to be just citizens doing a job. Rather than a paramilitary force with legal immunities etc. See Peelian principles…
Where does it say they lose the rights of an ordinary citizen?
tbf Maxh has a point the police are meant to be just that but as we have seen of late the police seem to think they are over and above ordinary citizens and normal codes of conduct don't apply to them
I also advocate Global Thermonuclear War.
Some of what I say may be sarcastic - with a reason…..
About an hour ago, I had a conversation in our kitchen with my middle lad about a friend's dad who is doing a science talk in a pub next week, we didn't mention the name of the event as we didn't know it, but we decided we'd go and listen to it. Just opened up my Facebook feed, and the first ad I saw was one for "Pint Of Science " I opened it, and it's the exact event we're going to, and the speaker we're interested in was mentioned on the page. We've got an Amazon Echo Show in the kitchen. Should I throw it in the canal?
A question if I may....the governement whether labour , tory or lib dem restricts the right to do something....it is a civil liberty matter.... I agree
Protestors who are probably a small minority of people compared to the electorate restrict the right to do something such as drive down a road....why is that them not restricting civil liberties?
I am all for the right of protest......I really don't give a damn about your right to protest when it interferes with my right to ignore you and deem you ignorant twats with neither a case nor a relevant cause.
It’s a good question worth asking.
A few thoughts that might or might not add up to an answer: - restrictions of other people’s rights through eg road protests are temporary and the exception cf a temporary Covid lockdown not posing the same civil liberties issues as compared to permanently requiring voter ID*. - the downside of restricting people’s rights through protest has the very significant upside that it provides a way for citizens to challenge state power. States restricting individuals’ rights doesn’t have the same upside so is harder to justify. - The right to protest is only a meaningful limit on state power if it inconveniences people. That’s not pretty, but is probably necessary.
* I think sometimes XR protests stretch this ‘temporary and exceptional’ criterion and lose legitimacy as a result. -
Fair point, and while I am in general in favour of the right to protest. I do draw the line where there right to protest impinges on my rights to do stuff. Really don't give a rats arse how temporary it is.
Simple fact is protest in my view is absolutely pointless, if it ever changed anything they may have an argument. Legal protest even the million or two that marched against the iraq war never changed a single thing. Now protests that are violent and illegal have done so which argues legal protest is pointless so just forbid it all as only protests that are illegal even before the laws were changed ever made a difference...thinking poll tax her. Only example I can actually come up with is poll tax right now
What often isn’t discussed is the right to protest and/or the right to disruptive protest.
Some years ago, I was discussing the tactic of kettling with some of the professional protest types. Their view that it was evil, wrong, immoral etc, not because of some fundamental rights.
But because it blocked their ability to stage a *disruptive* protest.
Kettling is okay in my view.
Otoh I remember a climate protest ( might have been called climate camp?) where a bunch of people set up tents on Liverpool Street, blocking it for a few hours. The police cleared it by just walking in a line in riot gear down the street, arm in arm. They trampled all the tents, some with people still inside. That went over the line of state violence in my view (although I can see why they felt there was no other option).
I caused some confusion in the conversation by asking if the Police didn’t have a right to disruptive, law breaking protest as well…
I know you’re being slightly tongue-in-cheek but the obvious answer is that the police represent state power and the protesters don’t!
But the police are, quite specifically, supposed to be just citizens doing a job. Rather than a paramilitary force with legal immunities etc. See Peelian principles…
Where does it say they lose the rights of an ordinary citizen?
Yeah good point.
Though many ordinary citizens lose rights by dint of their employment. I definitely do as a teacher. That’s part of the role.
But do the Police lose the right to shove people around, mask up and shout “Fuck the anarchists” ?
Can I just check if the people involved are either black or female? Asking for a constable.....
Despite many distractions, the Spectator’s Most Read list has been intriguing throughout the day
Clearly as everyone has been watching the coronation, a sad, lonely, weird writer has spent the day endlessly re-reading his own work, in order to ‘win’ a pointless list.
About an hour ago, I had a conversation in our kitchen with my middle lad about a friend's dad who is doing a science talk in a pub next week, we didn't mention the name of the event as we didn't know it, but we decided we'd go and listen to it. Just opened up my Facebook feed, and the first ad I saw was one for "Pint Of Science " I opened it, and it's the exact event we're going to, and the speaker we're interested in was mentioned on the page. We've got an Amazon Echo Show in the kitchen. Should I throw it in the canal?
He would have had that starring role in the Coronation !
Speaker ?
Lol. Yes she’s the Leader but it still applies . We would have had to suffer Mogg .
Is it as Leader of the House? I assumed it was in her capacity as Lord President of the Council.
The vast majority of Speakers are also Lord Presidents. Rees Mogg did do both .
No, no, no, Leaders of the House.
And actually that is a recent thing, and even more recent that it's been Leader of the House of Commons. Under Labour the title was more often Lord Privy Seal and the Leader of the Lords was Lord President.
About an hour ago, I had a conversation in our kitchen with my middle lad about a friend's dad who is doing a science talk in a pub next week, we didn't mention the name of the event as we didn't know it, but we decided we'd go and listen to it. Just opened up my Facebook feed, and the first ad I saw was one for "Pint Of Science " I opened it, and it's the exact event we're going to, and the speaker we're interested in was mentioned on the page. We've got an Amazon Echo Show in the kitchen. Should I throw it in the canal?
You still have a Facebook feed?
I'm a lot older than you. What should I be on to be down with the kids?
He would have had that starring role in the Coronation !
Speaker ?
Lol. Yes she’s the Leader but it still applies . We would have had to suffer Mogg .
Is it as Leader of the House? I assumed it was in her capacity as Lord President of the Council.
The vast majority of Speakers are also Lord Presidents. Rees Mogg did do both .
No, no, no, Leaders of the House.
And actually that is a recent thing, and even more recent that it's been Leader of the House of Commons. Under Labour the title was more often Lord Privy Seal and the Leader of the Lords was Lord President.
Oh God I’ve got Speaker on the brain ! Yes I meant Leader !
About an hour ago, I had a conversation in our kitchen with my middle lad about a friend's dad who is doing a science talk in a pub next week, we didn't mention the name of the event as we didn't know it, but we decided we'd go and listen to it. Just opened up my Facebook feed, and the first ad I saw was one for "Pint Of Science " I opened it, and it's the exact event we're going to, and the speaker we're interested in was mentioned on the page. We've got an Amazon Echo Show in the kitchen. Should I throw it in the canal?
You still have a Facebook feed?
I'm a lot older than you. What should I be on to be down with the kids?
I hear the very koolest kats are setting up LinkedIn profiles.
Britain’s FBI was drafted in by Scottish police to help with their investigation into the SNP’s finances, it can be revealed.
Officers from the National Crime Agency, which leads the fight to cut serious and organised crime, were commissioned several months before Nicola Sturgeon’s husband, Peter Murrell, was arrested.
The specialist team were asked to assess the progress of the investigation, bringing a fresh pair of eyes to the evidence collected, and identify any possible lines of inquiry.
The officers, likely to have been financial crime experts, conducted a “peer review” of the operation over several weeks between October and December.
Police Scotland has been investigating reports of fraud over £600,000 of donations apparently ring-fenced for the campaign for independence since 2021. Specialist officers in Scotland have been asking senior figures in the SNP about their tax affairs, sources said.
Britain’s FBI was drafted in by Scottish police to help with their investigation into the SNP’s finances, it can be revealed.
Officers from the National Crime Agency, which leads the fight to cut serious and organised crime, were commissioned several months before Nicola Sturgeon’s husband, Peter Murrell, was arrested.
The specialist team were asked to assess the progress of the investigation, bringing a fresh pair of eyes to the evidence collected, and identify any possible lines of inquiry.
The officers, likely to have been financial crime experts, conducted a “peer review” of the operation over several weeks between October and December.
Police Scotland has been investigating reports of fraud over £600,000 of donations apparently ring-fenced for the campaign for independence since 2021. Specialist officers in Scotland have been asking senior figures in the SNP about their tax affairs, sources said.
Britain’s FBI was drafted in by Scottish police to help with their investigation into the SNP’s finances, it can be revealed.
Officers from the National Crime Agency, which leads the fight to cut serious and organised crime, were commissioned several months before Nicola Sturgeon’s husband, Peter Murrell, was arrested.
The specialist team were asked to assess the progress of the investigation, bringing a fresh pair of eyes to the evidence collected, and identify any possible lines of inquiry.
The officers, likely to have been financial crime experts, conducted a “peer review” of the operation over several weeks between October and December.
Police Scotland has been investigating reports of fraud over £600,000 of donations apparently ring-fenced for the campaign for independence since 2021. Specialist officers in Scotland have been asking senior figures in the SNP about their tax affairs, sources said.
A Novel Bat Coronavirus with a Polybasic Furin-like Cleavage Site https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1995820X23000470 … Here, we performed a degenerate primer screening and next-generation sequencing analysis of 112 bats, collected from Hainan Province, China. Three coronaviruses, namely bat betacoronavirus (Bat CoV) CD35, Bat CoV CD36 and bat alphacoronavirus CD30 were identified. Bat CoV CD35 genome had 99.5% identity with Bat CoV CD36, both sharing the highest nucleotide identity with Bat Hp-betacoronavirus Zhejiang2013 (71.4%), followed by SARS-CoV-2 (54.0%). Phylogenetic analysis indicated that Bat CoV CD35 formed a distinct clade, and together with Bat Hp-betacoronavirus Zhejiang2013, was basal to the lineage of SARS-CoV-1 and SARS-CoV-2. Notably, Bat CoV CD35 harbored a canonical furin-like S1/S2 cleavage site that resembles the corresponding sites of SARS-CoV-2. The furin cleavage sites between CD35 and CD36 are identical. In addition, the receptor-binding domain of Bat CoV CD35 showed a highly similar structure to that of SARS-CoV-1 and SARS-CoV-2, especially in one binding loop...
Britain’s FBI was drafted in by Scottish police to help with their investigation into the SNP’s finances, it can be revealed.
Officers from the National Crime Agency, which leads the fight to cut serious and organised crime, were commissioned several months before Nicola Sturgeon’s husband, Peter Murrell, was arrested.
The specialist team were asked to assess the progress of the investigation, bringing a fresh pair of eyes to the evidence collected, and identify any possible lines of inquiry.
The officers, likely to have been financial crime experts, conducted a “peer review” of the operation over several weeks between October and December.
Police Scotland has been investigating reports of fraud over £600,000 of donations apparently ring-fenced for the campaign for independence since 2021. Specialist officers in Scotland have been asking senior figures in the SNP about their tax affairs, sources said.
Britain’s FBI was drafted in by Scottish police to help with their investigation into the SNP’s finances, it can be revealed.
Officers from the National Crime Agency, which leads the fight to cut serious and organised crime, were commissioned several months before Nicola Sturgeon’s husband, Peter Murrell, was arrested.
The specialist team were asked to assess the progress of the investigation, bringing a fresh pair of eyes to the evidence collected, and identify any possible lines of inquiry.
The officers, likely to have been financial crime experts, conducted a “peer review” of the operation over several weeks between October and December.
Police Scotland has been investigating reports of fraud over £600,000 of donations apparently ring-fenced for the campaign for independence since 2021. Specialist officers in Scotland have been asking senior figures in the SNP about their tax affairs, sources said.
Despite many distractions, the Spectator’s Most Read list has been intriguing throughout the day
Clearly as everyone has been watching the coronation, a sad, lonely, weird writer has spent the day endlessly re-reading his own work, in order to ‘win’ a pointless list.
Still quite impressive on the day of the coronation. To top out there. If only I could achieve such fame on the Gazette
"Let's be honest," said a Met spokesperson. "Weekend overtime is awesome. We all have mortgages to pay off, school fees, etc. etc. And if it means another PR blunder, well, who;s going to notice?"
"Let's be honest," said a Met spokesperson. "Weekend overtime is awesome. We all have mortgages to pay off, school fees, etc. etc. And if it means another PR blunder, well, who;s going to notice?"
They went to school?
Bugger, then it must all be the fault of the teaching profession.
A Novel Bat Coronavirus with a Polybasic Furin-like Cleavage Site https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1995820X23000470 … Here, we performed a degenerate primer screening and next-generation sequencing analysis of 112 bats, collected from Hainan Province, China. Three coronaviruses, namely bat betacoronavirus (Bat CoV) CD35, Bat CoV CD36 and bat alphacoronavirus CD30 were identified. Bat CoV CD35 genome had 99.5% identity with Bat CoV CD36, both sharing the highest nucleotide identity with Bat Hp-betacoronavirus Zhejiang2013 (71.4%), followed by SARS-CoV-2 (54.0%). Phylogenetic analysis indicated that Bat CoV CD35 formed a distinct clade, and together with Bat Hp-betacoronavirus Zhejiang2013, was basal to the lineage of SARS-CoV-1 and SARS-CoV-2. Notably, Bat CoV CD35 harbored a canonical furin-like S1/S2 cleavage site that resembles the corresponding sites of SARS-CoV-2. The furin cleavage sites between CD35 and CD36 are identical. In addition, the receptor-binding domain of Bat CoV CD35 showed a highly similar structure to that of SARS-CoV-1 and SARS-CoV-2, especially in one binding loop...
But lab leak? Bio weapon. Furin cleavage site MUST be artificial…
"Let's be honest," said a Met spokesperson. "Weekend overtime is awesome. We all have mortgages to pay off, school fees, etc. etc. And if it means another PR blunder, well, who;s going to notice?"
Like all the police who bought cars during and after the miners strike and nicknamed them ‘Aurthur’…
I’m convinced the voter ID requirement had an effect on voting patterns this week. I really hope someone will do an in depth survey of those either turned away, or who didn’t bother to go to vote, because they didn’t have ID.
The demographic most likely to have ID are wealthy professional people in their 30s-60s (Tory and Lib Dem voters, and some Labour). Least likely seem to me to be the very old (Tory) and young, minority and poor voters (Labour, Green).
But we need to know this, and we need whatever the result is to be visible and acted upon, because the government has experimented with a significant change in electoral rules that could have implications for the next general election.
My party the Lib Dems almost certainly benefit from this rule change, but we’re quite rightly highly concerned about it.
A Novel Bat Coronavirus with a Polybasic Furin-like Cleavage Site https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1995820X23000470 … Here, we performed a degenerate primer screening and next-generation sequencing analysis of 112 bats, collected from Hainan Province, China. Three coronaviruses, namely bat betacoronavirus (Bat CoV) CD35, Bat CoV CD36 and bat alphacoronavirus CD30 were identified. Bat CoV CD35 genome had 99.5% identity with Bat CoV CD36, both sharing the highest nucleotide identity with Bat Hp-betacoronavirus Zhejiang2013 (71.4%), followed by SARS-CoV-2 (54.0%). Phylogenetic analysis indicated that Bat CoV CD35 formed a distinct clade, and together with Bat Hp-betacoronavirus Zhejiang2013, was basal to the lineage of SARS-CoV-1 and SARS-CoV-2. Notably, Bat CoV CD35 harbored a canonical furin-like S1/S2 cleavage site that resembles the corresponding sites of SARS-CoV-2. The furin cleavage sites between CD35 and CD36 are identical. In addition, the receptor-binding domain of Bat CoV CD35 showed a highly similar structure to that of SARS-CoV-1 and SARS-CoV-2, especially in one binding loop...
But lab leak? Bio weapon. Furin cleavage site MUST be artificial…
Remember how the market people desperately blamed it on “raccoon dogs”?
“Last month, The Atlantic claimed Covid came from “racoon dogs,” not a lab leak. But a new, more in-depth genetic analysis finds a “negative correlation” between Covid & raccoon dog DNA. What’s more, humans had already been infected over a month earlier.”
Despite many distractions, the Spectator’s Most Read list has been intriguing throughout the day
Clearly as everyone has been watching the coronation, a sad, lonely, weird writer has spent the day endlessly re-reading his own work, in order to ‘win’ a pointless list.
Still quite impressive on the day of the coronation. To top out there. If only I could achieve such fame on the Gazette
The lab leak argument has now reached a weird stasis. Every ten weeks the few remaining virologists who cannot countenance the “lab leak hypothesis” put up some increasingly pitiful counter evidence. Then it is embarrassingly shot down in flames
Meanwhile, the circumstantial evidence for lab leak remains quietly overwhelming. Expending more mental energy on this is an exercise in cognitive futility. It came from the lab
Despite many distractions, the Spectator’s Most Read list has been intriguing throughout the day
Clearly as everyone has been watching the coronation, a sad, lonely, weird writer has spent the day endlessly re-reading his own work, in order to ‘win’ a pointless list.
Still quite impressive on the day of the coronation. To top out there. If only I could achieve such fame on the Gazette
Sorry, but who is this "Sean Thomas" character?
Sean is the brother of Mark Thomas, leftwing comedian.
“Raccoon dogs blamed for the Covid pandemic were not responsible, new analysis suggests, after samples at a Wuhan market were found to contain virtually no virus.
Last month a controversial study suggested that raccoon dog DNA found at the Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market in January 2020 was mixed with Covid-19, providing “strong evidence” that coronavirus jumped to humans from the animals.”
Wasn’t expecting the lowest Lib Dem score for weeks to turn up now.
LLG 61% though.
Ed Davey has not sealed the deal.
Who?
It will be interesting to see if the LibDems' relatively good showing in this week's locals means the party will show a bit more ankle.
Lib Dems have had quite a differentiated local vs national policy approach in the last year or so. Nationally all cost of living, windfall taxes, NHS etc, locally a huge focus on pollution and river and seawater, NIMBYism albeit sprinkled with some sensible stuff on infrastructure, and issues like policing and domestic violence.
I would love us to drop the nimbyism. It’s a constant frustration. But it’s difficult. Nationally I expect the next 12 months will see a major increase in focus on Brexit and closer ties with the EU. I expect something akin to EFTA/ single market to be in the manifesto. But not rejoin. Not after the catastrophe of Swinson’s 2019 campaign.
The lab leak argument has now reached a weird stasis. Every ten weeks the few remaining virologists who cannot countenance the “lab leak hypothesis” put up some increasingly pitiful counter evidence. Then it is embarrassingly shot down in flames
Meanwhile, the circumstantial evidence for lab leak remains quietly overwhelming. Expending more mental energy on this is an exercise in cognitive futility. It came from the lab
Which virologists do you canvass for opinions? Twitter doesn’t equal the real world. Scanning the literature does not equal scanning twitter.
FYI, and also BTW, yours truly has been wearing the Union Jack in celebration (or at least recognition) of the Coronation.
In the form of the Hawai'ian flag on an Aloha shirt.
Flag of the Kingdom of Hawai'i was decreed by King Kamehameha I who unified the islands. Incorporates elements of flags of UK, US, Russia and France - by coincidence the key foreign powers engaged in early commerce and proto-imperialism viz-a-viz Hawai'i.
> Union Jack in canton (from UK > Eight stripes one for each of the larger islands (Hawaiʻi, Maui, Kahoʻolawe, Lānaʻi, Molokaʻi, Oʻahu, Kauaʻi & Niʻihau). > Stripes red, white and blue (common to all 4 foreign powers, and in sequences of Russia and France)
This flag was retained after the overthrown of kingdom by pineapple (really sugarcane) putch "Republic" and after American annexation by Territory of Hawaii, and by State of Hawai'i.
Note that there were number of personal contacts and connections between Hawai'ian and British royalty. One interesting example: the great swimmer and surfer Duke Kahanamoku, himself of royal lineage, inherited his name from his father, who in turn was named in honor of Queen Victoria's son, the Duke of Edinburgh, because he was born the day that Duke arrived in Honolulu on a round-the-word tour.
So across Hawai'i today, the Union Jack is flying. Often alongside the America flag. However, not always.
And certainly not - by long tradition - over Iolani Palace (as seen often on old "Hawaii Five-0" tv series). Where it is the ONLY flag that files, just as in the days when Queen Liliʻuokalani still reigned.
She was quite pro-British, and a pillar of the Anglican Church. Also a talented musician, with many songs to her credit. Including one she wrote in honor of Queen Victoria's Jubilee, which is one of the reasons why the memory of Queen Liliʻuokalani is so revered and cherished by the Hawai'ians.
Who could have failed to be impressed by the appearance of the St Augustine bible which he brought from Rome 1425 years ago?
That was absolutely gobsmackingly magnificent. If I were to choose one thing from the day that would. Then ZA-DOCK the PRIEST Rejoice, Rejoice, Rejoice
That said, one underrated moment was Chas in his cassock just before he was anointed. There was a hell of a lot of history in that. The King humble before the Lord as he prepared to accept his sacred role.
Yes, that was a superb and poignant moment.
For me if would be Zadok. The build up is magnificent: the slow crescendo until you think it’s about to climax, then the surprise easing down, then the renewed and even more urgent crescendo before that deafening first line. I’ve sung it many times as both treble and tenor, though not for a few years now, and it’s one of those pieces that gets the spine shivering. But in the context of an actual coronation it’s at another level.
As many have commented it does unfortunately nowadays get one thinking of the Champions league too, but not even that’s enough to spoil it.
It was a highlight, and I was impressed by how the conductors kept everything in synch.
Andrew Nethsingha - organist/choir director at Westminster Abbey.
And to get things back on a political keel, married to Lucy Nethsingha, LibDem leader of Cambridgeshire County Council.
“Raccoon dogs blamed for the Covid pandemic were not responsible, new analysis suggests, after samples at a Wuhan market were found to contain virtually no virus.
Last month a controversial study suggested that raccoon dog DNA found at the Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market in January 2020 was mixed with Covid-19, providing “strong evidence” that coronavirus jumped to humans from the animals.”
I mean. Just stop now. It’s mortifying
Well, at least you seem to have forgotten your "the US blew up Nordstream" line.
The lab leak argument has now reached a weird stasis. Every ten weeks the few remaining virologists who cannot countenance the “lab leak hypothesis” put up some increasingly pitiful counter evidence. Then it is embarrassingly shot down in flames
Meanwhile, the circumstantial evidence for lab leak remains quietly overwhelming. Expending more mental energy on this is an exercise in cognitive futility. It came from the lab
I think it probably was a lab blunder that allowed it to escape. But the evidence is still circumstantial so scientific study should continue. People continuing to check minority hypotheses is how science works.
Wasn’t expecting the lowest Lib Dem score for weeks to turn up now.
LLG 61% though.
And yet Professor Thrasher has calculated that Labour were 7% ahead at the local elections, by 36% to 29%. Real votes.
LLG very similar though, and conservatives in most NEV calculations similar or lower than in this poll. Does anyone think the Lib Dems are going to score 20% in the general election?
The lab leak argument has now reached a weird stasis. Every ten weeks the few remaining virologists who cannot countenance the “lab leak hypothesis” put up some increasingly pitiful counter evidence. Then it is embarrassingly shot down in flames
Meanwhile, the circumstantial evidence for lab leak remains quietly overwhelming. Expending more mental energy on this is an exercise in cognitive futility. It came from the lab
Which virologists do you canvass for opinions? Twitter doesn’t equal the real world. Scanning the literature does not equal scanning twitter.
We’re basically down to the authors of Proximal Origins, and half of them aren’t sure any more
Who could have failed to be impressed by the appearance of the St Augustine bible which he brought from Rome 1425 years ago?
That was absolutely gobsmackingly magnificent. If I were to choose one thing from the day that would. Then ZA-DOCK the PRIEST Rejoice, Rejoice, Rejoice
That said, one underrated moment was Chas in his cassock just before he was anointed. There was a hell of a lot of history in that. The King humble before the Lord as he prepared to accept his sacred role.
Yes, that was a superb and poignant moment.
For me if would be Zadok. The build up is magnificent: the slow crescendo until you think it’s about to climax, then the surprise easing down, then the renewed and even more urgent crescendo before that deafening first line. I’ve sung it many times as both treble and tenor, though not for a few years now, and it’s one of those pieces that gets the spine shivering. But in the context of an actual coronation it’s at another level.
As many have commented it does unfortunately nowadays get one thinking of the Champions league too, but not even that’s enough to spoil it.
It was a highlight, and I was impressed by how the conductors kept everything in synch.
Andrew Nethsingha - organist/choir director at Westminster Abbey.
And to get things back on a political keel, married to Lucy Nethsingha, LibDem leader of Cambridgeshire County Council.
Father was Lucien Nethsingha, organist of Exeter cathedral where my best friend was head chorister. Sri Lankan heritage.
“Raccoon dogs blamed for the Covid pandemic were not responsible, new analysis suggests, after samples at a Wuhan market were found to contain virtually no virus.
Last month a controversial study suggested that raccoon dog DNA found at the Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market in January 2020 was mixed with Covid-19, providing “strong evidence” that coronavirus jumped to humans from the animals.”
I mean. Just stop now. It’s mortifying
Well, at least you seem to have forgotten your "the US blew up Nordstream" line.
Watch this and tell me, honestly, that it wasn’t the USA which blew the pipe, likely via a proxy
“Raccoon dogs blamed for the Covid pandemic were not responsible, new analysis suggests, after samples at a Wuhan market were found to contain virtually no virus.
Last month a controversial study suggested that raccoon dog DNA found at the Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market in January 2020 was mixed with Covid-19, providing “strong evidence” that coronavirus jumped to humans from the animals.”
I mean. Just stop now. It’s mortifying
Well, at least you seem to have forgotten your "the US blew up Nordstream" line.
“Raccoon dogs blamed for the Covid pandemic were not responsible, new analysis suggests, after samples at a Wuhan market were found to contain virtually no virus.
Last month a controversial study suggested that raccoon dog DNA found at the Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market in January 2020 was mixed with Covid-19, providing “strong evidence” that coronavirus jumped to humans from the animals.”
I mean. Just stop now. It’s mortifying
Well, at least you seem to have forgotten your "the US blew up Nordstream" line.
Watch this and tell me, honestly, that it wasn’t the USA which blew the pipe, likely via a proxy
Disappointing. I was expecting to see ACTUAL EVIDENCE of a US backed attack. Instead all we have is snippets of people saying they really don't like NS2. Just days after the discovery of the Russian ship. I know you like thrillers/conspiracies/hyperbole but you should remember that this is real stuff with real world consequences. Better go back to being pb's Judith Chalmers?
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As many have commented it does unfortunately nowadays get one thinking of the Champions league too, but not even that’s enough to spoil it.
He would have had that starring role in the Coronation !
Where does it say they lose the rights of an ordinary citizen?
Though many ordinary citizens lose rights by dint of their employment. I definitely do as a teacher. That’s part of the role.
That perfect collision of art, architecture, ritual, religion and history is extremely rare in human affairs. No wonder it was spine tingling
And apparently King Edgar in 973AD had a reading of “sadoc the prieste” at HIS coronation
So this is a 1100 year old ritual continuously celebrated - which further dates back to the writing of the Bible when the Jews were captive in Babylon
Speaking of "Anglo-Saxons" as King Edward the Confessor would say - þancas!
(Though wasn't his mum a Jute?)
Officers from the National Crime Agency, which leads the fight to cut serious and organised crime, were commissioned several months before Nicola Sturgeon’s husband, Peter Murrell, was arrested.
The specialist team were asked to assess the progress of the investigation, bringing a fresh pair of eyes to the evidence collected, and identify any possible lines of inquiry.
The officers, likely to have been financial crime experts, conducted a “peer review” of the operation over several weeks between October and December.
Police Scotland has been investigating reports of fraud over £600,000 of donations apparently ring-fenced for the campaign for independence since 2021. Specialist officers in Scotland have been asking senior figures in the SNP about their tax affairs, sources said.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/fbi-snp-finances-investigation-scottish-police-c6vcwfrb6
Westminster Voting Intention:
LAB: 48% (+3)
CON: 27% (-1)
LDM: 7% (-3)
REF: 6% (=)
GRN: 6% (=)
via @Omnisis, 4-5 May
(Changes with 28 Apr)
https://twitter.com/oprosuk/status/1654859864881889280?s=46
Wasn’t expecting the lowest Lib Dem score for weeks to turn up now.
LLG 61% though.
Have we done this? Mr 30p's "solution" to dissent.
I'm actually surprised he came out with it today.
Some of what I say may be sarcastic - with a reason…..
Just opened up my Facebook feed, and the first ad I saw was one for "Pint Of Science " I opened it, and it's the exact event we're going to, and the speaker we're interested in was mentioned on the page. We've got an Amazon Echo Show in the kitchen. Should I throw it in the canal?
“This depends on context. The coronation is a once in a generation event and that is a key consideration in our assessment.”
Legal grounds for that unclear
https://twitter.com/lizziedearden/status/1654899548349669382
Pathetically weak
And actually that is a recent thing, and even more recent that it's been Leader of the House of Commons. Under Labour the title was more often Lord Privy Seal and the Leader of the Lords was Lord President.
Seems like Charles was not lying when he claimed that “When Will I See You Again?” by the Three Degrees was one of his favourite songs.
Shocked and saddened to see football fans so loudly booing God Save The King on the day of the Coronation. No one wants to see scenes like these.
To prevent this kind of thing from happening again I would propose simply abolishing the monarchy.
https://twitter.com/HITCSevens/status/1654890410274168832
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1995820X23000470
… Here, we performed a degenerate primer screening and next-generation sequencing analysis of 112 bats, collected from Hainan Province, China. Three coronaviruses, namely bat betacoronavirus (Bat CoV) CD35, Bat CoV CD36 and bat alphacoronavirus CD30 were identified. Bat CoV CD35 genome had 99.5% identity with Bat CoV CD36, both sharing the highest nucleotide identity with Bat Hp-betacoronavirus Zhejiang2013 (71.4%), followed by SARS-CoV-2 (54.0%). Phylogenetic analysis indicated that Bat CoV CD35 formed a distinct clade, and together with Bat Hp-betacoronavirus Zhejiang2013, was basal to the lineage of SARS-CoV-1 and SARS-CoV-2. Notably, Bat CoV CD35 harbored a canonical furin-like S1/S2 cleavage site that resembles the corresponding sites of SARS-CoV-2. The furin cleavage sites between CD35 and CD36 are identical. In addition, the receptor-binding domain of Bat CoV CD35 showed a highly similar structure to that of SARS-CoV-1 and SARS-CoV-2, especially in one binding loop...
Princess Anne will perform her party piece, using Princess Margaret's Mellotron.
(It's not up to Viewcode's level.)
Bugger, then it must all be the fault of the teaching profession.
The demographic most likely to have ID are wealthy professional people in their 30s-60s (Tory and Lib Dem voters, and some Labour). Least likely seem to me to be the very old (Tory) and young, minority and poor voters (Labour, Green).
But we need to know this, and we need whatever the result is to be visible and acted upon, because the government has experimented with a significant change in electoral rules that could have implications for the next general election.
My party the Lib Dems almost certainly benefit from this rule change, but we’re quite rightly highly concerned about it.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/rishi-sunak-refuses-rule-out-27904012
Bullshit performative patriotism.
“Last month, The Atlantic claimed Covid came from “racoon dogs,” not a lab leak. But a new, more in-depth genetic analysis finds a “negative correlation” between Covid & raccoon dog DNA. What’s more, humans had already been infected over a month earlier.”
https://twitter.com/shellenberger/status/1651937407619543040?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw
Worth pointing out Omnisis does throw in the odd outlier so let's see what other polls have to say before reigning on Sir Ed Davey's parade.
Meanwhile, the circumstantial evidence for lab leak
remains quietly overwhelming. Expending more mental energy on this is an exercise in cognitive futility. It came from the lab
Also the long-lost great-nephew of Dylan Thomas.
Last month a controversial study suggested that raccoon dog DNA found at the Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market in January 2020 was mixed with Covid-19, providing “strong evidence” that coronavirus jumped to humans from the animals.”
I mean. Just stop now. It’s mortifying
I would love us to drop the nimbyism. It’s a constant frustration. But it’s difficult. Nationally I expect the next 12 months will see a major increase in focus on Brexit and closer ties with the EU. I expect something akin to EFTA/ single market to be in the manifesto. But not rejoin. Not after the catastrophe of Swinson’s 2019 campaign.
In the form of the Hawai'ian flag on an Aloha shirt.
Flag of the Kingdom of Hawai'i was decreed by King Kamehameha I who unified the islands. Incorporates elements of flags of UK, US, Russia and France - by coincidence the key foreign powers engaged in early commerce and proto-imperialism viz-a-viz Hawai'i.
> Union Jack in canton (from UK
> Eight stripes one for each of the larger islands (Hawaiʻi, Maui, Kahoʻolawe, Lānaʻi, Molokaʻi, Oʻahu, Kauaʻi & Niʻihau).
> Stripes red, white and blue (common to all 4 foreign powers, and in sequences of Russia and France)
This flag was retained after the overthrown of kingdom by pineapple (really sugarcane) putch "Republic" and after American annexation by Territory of Hawaii, and by State of Hawai'i.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Hawaii
Note that there were number of personal contacts and connections between Hawai'ian and British royalty. One interesting example: the great swimmer and surfer Duke Kahanamoku, himself of royal lineage, inherited his name from his father, who in turn was named in honor of Queen Victoria's son, the Duke of Edinburgh, because he was born the day that Duke arrived in Honolulu on a round-the-word tour.
So across Hawai'i today, the Union Jack is flying. Often alongside the America flag. However, not always.
And certainly not - by long tradition - over Iolani Palace (as seen often on old "Hawaii Five-0" tv series). Where it is the ONLY flag that files, just as in the days when Queen Liliʻuokalani still reigned.
She was quite pro-British, and a pillar of the Anglican Church. Also a talented musician, with many songs to her credit. Including one she wrote in honor of Queen Victoria's Jubilee, which is one of the reasons why the memory of Queen Liliʻuokalani is so revered and cherished by the Hawai'ians.
Queen's Jubiliee with Hula
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbqkjkkcE7M
Aloha!
And to get things back on a political keel, married to Lucy Nethsingha, LibDem leader of Cambridgeshire County Council.
https://twitter.com/trevorjukes1/status/1650470571522531330?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw
Vivat Rex Carolus!
Interested in her take from the streets - and also want to make sure that horse didn't stomp on her.