LDs very close to taking Wokingham in new constituency poll – politicalbetting.com
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Having a nice afternoon. Interesting new client giving me more and more to do on a project which gets broader by the week. Outgoing client finally paying my (very) overdue invoices. And have completed an IRS form because my YouTube channel is now monetised and I don't want Murica taking 30% of my revenues generated there.4
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Not 'not field candidates' but 'not put much effort in'. See Tiverton & Honiton, Wakefield, North Shropshire for example.DJ41a said:
How could that possibly work? A party agrees with another party not to field candidates in constituencies X, Y, Z, etc., and then if anyone asks did you agree that with the other party that you're telling your supporters to vote for in those constituencies, they say oh no, there must have been a series of local arrangements, we don't know nuffink here in London?Benpointer said:
Hmmm... thinks. An informal agreement?DJ41a said:
Surely you did. How can an electoral agreement not be formal? How would it be decided which party should run in which constituencies?Benpointer said:
Who mentioned 'formal'?HYUFD said:
No they couldn't, some Orange Book LDs would go Tory and some Corbynites in Labour would go Green or start their own party if a formal Labour and LD pact. UKIP got 12% in 2015 when the Tories did a deal with the LDs and leftwing LDs went LabourBenpointer said:Labour and the LDs could banish the Conservatives to history with an electoral agreement.
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New Wales VI (Westminster):
WLab 49% (-2)
WCon 20% (+2)
PC 14% (+1)
Ref 9% (+1)
WLD 5% (+1)
oth 4% (-2)
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Maybe Sunak could be put in charge of the state unicorns?Luckyguy1983 said:
My belief is diametrically opposed here - My objection to Sunak/Hunt has always been a policy one, not personality. It is interesting and heartening that groups like the Conservative Growth Group have sprung up to force the Chancellor and PM to challenge the Treasury and address the need to facilitate growth via the tax system. However, for Sunak/Hunt, even if they turn around with the best budget and set of active, balls-out growth promoting, tax-simplifying, power station-building policies, it's too late for them to get any positive credit for it. They're not salvageable.CarlottaVance said:
I’m not sure we’re quite at 1997 yet.Stuartinromford said:
Doesn't the 1997 experience point the other way? If lefties really want to kick the Tories, they use their votes efficiently. If not they scatter their votes to please themselves.CarlottaVance said:On topic, not sure Labour voters who think they’re on track for a Labour government are going to “lend” their votes to the LDs. Much easier to do if Labour are clearly heading for opposition - which won’t be the case this time. Who doesn’t like to back a winner? “Only LibDems (who?) can stop the Tories” may come across as counterintuitive, and certainly from a national point of view.
The Tories aren’t yet in as big a mess as the post-black Monday crew got themselves into - although it’s certainly possible they get there and then some.
Starmer is no Blair - who was viewed with genuine enthusiasm as a “breath of fresh air”. Starmer’s main attraction is “he’s not the other one”. The absence of a negative isn’t as motivating as the presence of a positive.
I think we’re heading for Labour clearly largest party, possibly shy of a majority. If SLAB can focus on the NHS/economy then they can attack both SNP and the Tories - and continue their silence on the GRR bill, then they might get enough seats to gain a majority.
How the Tories do will depend on how they behave between now and then. “Steady as she goes” should see them thumped but surviving. Leadership coups will get them the little they will deserve.
It should be a civilised process, no protracted election, and Sunak should be offered a prominent cabinet Role (Foreign Sec.), to avoid rancour and signal a broad cabinet.0 -
Like balloons ? 😏numbertwelve said:
Or [tinfoil hat on], they have access to this technology but weren’t aware others did.WhisperingOracle said:
Indeed. I have to say that your usual refrain that this should be bigger news than it is is more than usually apt, at the moment.Leon said:“The US Air Force general overseeing North American airspace said Sunday he was not ruling out aliens after a string of shoot-downs of unidentified objects.
Asked whether he had ruled out an extraterrestrial origin for three floating objects shot down by warplanes in as many days, Gen. Glen VanHerck said: “I’ll let the intel community and the counterintelligence community figure that out.
“I haven’t ruled out anything.””
https://nypost.com/2023/02/13/top-general-not-ruling-out-aliens-after-3-ufos-shot-down/
Whatever this is, it's huge news either way. The world's leading military and technological superpower just has no idea what's going on. Even if it's just China or some private individual, that also would be huge news, in terms of the global power hierarchy.
As I note upthread the significant thing here is, barring ET, there appears to be man-made technology out there that far exceeds what the man on the street thought possible.1 -
On the other hand, maybe aliens travelling the vast, unimaginable distances between solar systems, landed and thought "Let's play with the balloons! Whee! Haven't been able to for ages!".numbertwelve said:I am fascinated by the UFO news. I have to admit I’m not quite convinced that aliens are involved in making octagonal objects with bits of string attached, but the query around propulsion of these objects is absolutely fascinating. It suggests there is military tech out there which is far beyond what we were aware of in terms of advancement, even allowing for a bit of “state secrecy” wriggle room.
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"Teasers are usually rich kids with nothing to do. They cruise around looking for planets that haven't made interstellar contact yet and buzz them, meaning that they find some isolated spot with very few people around, then land right by some poor unsuspecting soul whom no one's going to believe and then strut up and down in front of him wearing silly antennas on their head and making beep beep noises."ohnotnow said:
On the other hand, maybe aliens travelling the vast, unimaginable distances between solar systems, landed and thought "Let's play with the balloons! Whee! Haven't been able to for ages!".numbertwelve said:I am fascinated by the UFO news. I have to admit I’m not quite convinced that aliens are involved in making octagonal objects with bits of string attached, but the query around propulsion of these objects is absolutely fascinating. It suggests there is military tech out there which is far beyond what we were aware of in terms of advancement, even allowing for a bit of “state secrecy” wriggle room.
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New Wales VI (Senedd)
WLab 39% (+1)
PC 20% (-3)
WCon 18% (+2)
Ref 6% (+2)
WLD 5% (+1)
oth 12% (-3)
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It could, still, just be drones and balloons plus a lot of neo-Cold War paranoia. I am not convinced we have any evidence for highly advanced technology let alone “alien” technologyDJ41a said:
See also Montana. Radar anomaly. Non-event. Yes we closed airspace, but ... as you were. Weeellll, if that's so then they sound very twitchy.WhisperingOracle said:
Indeed. I have to say that your usual refrain that this should be bigger news than it is is more than usually apt, at the moment.Leon said:“The US Air Force general overseeing North American airspace said Sunday he was not ruling out aliens after a string of shoot-downs of unidentified objects.
Asked whether he had ruled out an extraterrestrial origin for three floating objects shot down by warplanes in as many days, Gen. Glen VanHerck said: “I’ll let the intel community and the counterintelligence community figure that out.
“I haven’t ruled out anything.””
https://nypost.com/2023/02/13/top-general-not-ruling-out-aliens-after-3-ufos-shot-down/
Whatever this is, it's huge news either way. The world's leading military and technological superpower just has no idea what's going on.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11742541/Montana-congressman-says-object-state-NORAD-dismissed-anomaly.html
However we have plentiful evidence that the American (and Canadian) politico-military establishments are properly puzzled. If not rattled
The UFO shit could be a story to cover up national humiliation: that the USA has been intruded/surveilled by China for many years and the Americans were too slow or blinkered to realise
Or it’s a mix of all this. Plus aliens
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They don't seem very happy.CarlottaVance said:The comments on the Herald report of Lord Ashcroft’s poll….
https://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/23317776.poll-big-lead-no-gulf-public-snp-priorities/0 -
Indeed.RochdalePioneers said:
It bloody is the same, and the Labour attack campaign on this is utterly stupid. We have vast millions in fraudulent contracts paid out to Tory friends and donors, yes they decide to go on the attack because government ministers on government business stay in suitable hotels.CarlottaVance said:I’m not sure Angela thought this through:
Labour’s deputy leader, Angela Rayner, has denied that her decision to expense hundreds of pounds on Apple electronics is the same as Whitehall’s use of government procurement cards on luxury items.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2023/feb/13/conservatives-tories-rishi-sunak-expenses-spending-angela-rayner-labour-uk-politics-live
In 2025 when DPM Rayner is off to Paris for a summit she won't be staying in a sodding Ibis will she?
This is a stupid line to go down.
Almost as stupid as the time Brown tried to brief against the head of the U.K. military. Because he was taking foreign dignitaries (including chiefs of other militaries) to Aske. A pizza and pasta chain on about the Pizza Express level.0 -
Hah - I'd forgotten that section!RochdalePioneers said:
"Teasers are usually rich kids with nothing to do. They cruise around looking for planets that haven't made interstellar contact yet and buzz them, meaning that they find some isolated spot with very few people around, then land right by some poor unsuspecting soul whom no one's going to believe and then strut up and down in front of him wearing silly antennas on their head and making beep beep noises."ohnotnow said:
On the other hand, maybe aliens travelling the vast, unimaginable distances between solar systems, landed and thought "Let's play with the balloons! Whee! Haven't been able to for ages!".numbertwelve said:I am fascinated by the UFO news. I have to admit I’m not quite convinced that aliens are involved in making octagonal objects with bits of string attached, but the query around propulsion of these objects is absolutely fascinating. It suggests there is military tech out there which is far beyond what we were aware of in terms of advancement, even allowing for a bit of “state secrecy” wriggle room.
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Re the Owen Jones article:
"In recent years, media outlets and politicians have treated the likes of Anderson as emblematic of working-class voters: a category they often see as, to be blunt, a white man in his 50s or 60s with a Midlands accent and reactionary opinions. Rishi Sunak, who enjoys a family fortune twice that of the king, presumably believes that Anderson represents a direct hotline to working-class England."
that should read "some" media outlets and "some" politicians - both have a large range - compare the Daily Mail with The Guardian for example.
Also when an article attributes a view to someone with the words "Rishi Sunak ... presumably believes" then we are in the world of make believe. I don't think anyone, including Anderson, believes the straw man he sets up.
There are ranges of views across all types of people - the voters who voted Conservative last time were not all from the same social sphere.
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Labour's answer to Sharon Stone was notably awful this morning on R4 Today.CarlottaVance said:I’m not sure Angela thought this through:
Labour’s deputy leader, Angela Rayner, has denied that her decision to expense hundreds of pounds on Apple electronics is the same as Whitehall’s use of government procurement cards on luxury items.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2023/feb/13/conservatives-tories-rishi-sunak-expenses-spending-angela-rayner-labour-uk-politics-live
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Westminster seat prediction (new boundaries):
WLab 27 seats (+7)
PC 3 seats (+1)
WCon 2 seats (-8)0 -
The continual photography set-up to make him look taller than the unicorns would I fear be cost-prohibitive.Benpointer said:
Maybe Sunak could be put in charge of the state unicorns?Luckyguy1983 said:
My belief is diametrically opposed here - My objection to Sunak/Hunt has always been a policy one, not personality. It is interesting and heartening that groups like the Conservative Growth Group have sprung up to force the Chancellor and PM to challenge the Treasury and address the need to facilitate growth via the tax system. However, for Sunak/Hunt, even if they turn around with the best budget and set of active, balls-out growth promoting, tax-simplifying, power station-building policies, it's too late for them to get any positive credit for it. They're not salvageable.CarlottaVance said:
I’m not sure we’re quite at 1997 yet.Stuartinromford said:
Doesn't the 1997 experience point the other way? If lefties really want to kick the Tories, they use their votes efficiently. If not they scatter their votes to please themselves.CarlottaVance said:On topic, not sure Labour voters who think they’re on track for a Labour government are going to “lend” their votes to the LDs. Much easier to do if Labour are clearly heading for opposition - which won’t be the case this time. Who doesn’t like to back a winner? “Only LibDems (who?) can stop the Tories” may come across as counterintuitive, and certainly from a national point of view.
The Tories aren’t yet in as big a mess as the post-black Monday crew got themselves into - although it’s certainly possible they get there and then some.
Starmer is no Blair - who was viewed with genuine enthusiasm as a “breath of fresh air”. Starmer’s main attraction is “he’s not the other one”. The absence of a negative isn’t as motivating as the presence of a positive.
I think we’re heading for Labour clearly largest party, possibly shy of a majority. If SLAB can focus on the NHS/economy then they can attack both SNP and the Tories - and continue their silence on the GRR bill, then they might get enough seats to gain a majority.
How the Tories do will depend on how they behave between now and then. “Steady as she goes” should see them thumped but surviving. Leadership coups will get them the little they will deserve.
It should be a civilised process, no protracted election, and Sunak should be offered a prominent cabinet Role (Foreign Sec.), to avoid rancour and signal a broad cabinet.1 -
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It smacks a bit of the Gatwick drone fiasco. Were there ever actually any drones there?Leon said:
It could, still, just be drones and balloons plus a lot of neo-Cold War paranoia. I am not convinced we have any evidence for highly advanced technology let alone “alien” technologyDJ41a said:
See also Montana. Radar anomaly. Non-event. Yes we closed airspace, but ... as you were. Weeellll, if that's so then they sound very twitchy.WhisperingOracle said:
Indeed. I have to say that your usual refrain that this should be bigger news than it is is more than usually apt, at the moment.Leon said:“The US Air Force general overseeing North American airspace said Sunday he was not ruling out aliens after a string of shoot-downs of unidentified objects.
Asked whether he had ruled out an extraterrestrial origin for three floating objects shot down by warplanes in as many days, Gen. Glen VanHerck said: “I’ll let the intel community and the counterintelligence community figure that out.
“I haven’t ruled out anything.””
https://nypost.com/2023/02/13/top-general-not-ruling-out-aliens-after-3-ufos-shot-down/
Whatever this is, it's huge news either way. The world's leading military and technological superpower just has no idea what's going on.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11742541/Montana-congressman-says-object-state-NORAD-dismissed-anomaly.html
However we have plentiful evidence that the American (and Canadian) politico-military establishments are properly puzzled. If not rattled
The UFO shit could be a story to cover up national humiliation: that the USA has been intruded/surveilled by China for many years and the Americans were too slow or blinkered to realise
Or it’s a mix of all this. Plus aliens0 -
As Max pointed out, and as you just described, it is about funding.glw said:
US universities, national laboratories, and west coast electronics companies clustering, plus a whole load of Cold War spending, especially on electronics for aircraft, air defence, and ballistic missiles. The desire to integrate components and build more robust systems lead to the sort of electronics production that later facilitated LSI for computer systems, and ultimately enabled the micro-computer. I'm pretty sure that giving enormous tax breaks to already huge and highly profitable companies paid no real part in it, but if I'm wrong someone can pipe up.Nigelb said:Why do you think the US has a semiconductor industry in the first place ?
I'd prefer to have some of the highly profitable industries in the UK.
The US government bought 90% of US (& the world's) semiconductor production in the industry's early years.
And the startups quoted in the article I linked are neither huge nor yet highly profitable.0 -
She was horrifically poor. Is that really, really the best Labour can do? Really?algarkirk said:
Labour's answer to Sharon Stone was notably awful this morning on R4 Today.CarlottaVance said:I’m not sure Angela thought this through:
Labour’s deputy leader, Angela Rayner, has denied that her decision to expense hundreds of pounds on Apple electronics is the same as Whitehall’s use of government procurement cards on luxury items.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2023/feb/13/conservatives-tories-rishi-sunak-expenses-spending-angela-rayner-labour-uk-politics-live0 -
Well yes, or balloons.Nigelb said:
Like balloons ? 😏numbertwelve said:
Or [tinfoil hat on], they have access to this technology but weren’t aware others did.WhisperingOracle said:
Indeed. I have to say that your usual refrain that this should be bigger news than it is is more than usually apt, at the moment.Leon said:“The US Air Force general overseeing North American airspace said Sunday he was not ruling out aliens after a string of shoot-downs of unidentified objects.
Asked whether he had ruled out an extraterrestrial origin for three floating objects shot down by warplanes in as many days, Gen. Glen VanHerck said: “I’ll let the intel community and the counterintelligence community figure that out.
“I haven’t ruled out anything.””
https://nypost.com/2023/02/13/top-general-not-ruling-out-aliens-after-3-ufos-shot-down/
Whatever this is, it's huge news either way. The world's leading military and technological superpower just has no idea what's going on. Even if it's just China or some private individual, that also would be huge news, in terms of the global power hierarchy.
As I note upthread the significant thing here is, barring ET, there appears to be man-made technology out there that far exceeds what the man on the street thought possible.
The ‘tech beyond our comprehension’ is the more entertaining angle, mind.0 -
There's probably more debris from the missiles than the objects. Helium tends to drift away, for a start.Leon said:
Where is the debris? It cannot be hard to find. Oddnumbertwelve said:I am fascinated by the UFO news. I have to admit I’m not quite convinced that aliens are involved in making octagonal objects with bits of string attached, but the query around propulsion of these objects is absolutely fascinating. It suggests there is military tech out there which is far beyond what we were aware of in terms of advancement, even allowing for a bit of “state secrecy” wriggle room.
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Because they were very enthusiastically using them. Because they needed insanely reliable computers (by standards of the day ) that were also really small.Nigelb said:
As Max pointed out, and as you just described, it is about funding.glw said:
US universities, national laboratories, and west coast electronics companies clustering, plus a whole load of Cold War spending, especially on electronics for aircraft, air defence, and ballistic missiles. The desire to integrate components and build more robust systems lead to the sort of electronics production that later facilitated LSI for computer systems, and ultimately enabled the micro-computer. I'm pretty sure that giving enormous tax breaks to already huge and highly profitable companies paid no real part in it, but if I'm wrong someone can pipe up.Nigelb said:Why do you think the US has a semiconductor industry in the first place ?
I'd prefer to have some of the highly profitable industries in the UK.
The US government bought 90% of US (& the world's) semiconductor production in the industry's early years.
Things like - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D-17B
When ICs came in to the picture the US military were on them like a tramp on a bag of chips…1 -
Yup, if the government facilitated guaranteed buyers within the UK and subsidised the difference between global market price and buying from UK semiconductor companies for a period of 10 years it would probably be enough to get the industry going, but it would also cost tens of billions over that 10 years and even after that there's no guarantee that those companies will stay solvent once they are bidding for contracts on the open market.Nigelb said:
As Max pointed out, and as you just described, it is about funding.glw said:
US universities, national laboratories, and west coast electronics companies clustering, plus a whole load of Cold War spending, especially on electronics for aircraft, air defence, and ballistic missiles. The desire to integrate components and build more robust systems lead to the sort of electronics production that later facilitated LSI for computer systems, and ultimately enabled the micro-computer. I'm pretty sure that giving enormous tax breaks to already huge and highly profitable companies paid no real part in it, but if I'm wrong someone can pipe up.Nigelb said:Why do you think the US has a semiconductor industry in the first place ?
I'd prefer to have some of the highly profitable industries in the UK.
The US government bought 90% of US (& the world's) semiconductor production in the industry's early years.
And the startups quoted in the article I linked are neither huge nor yet highly profitable.0 -
That's true, but the EU and US funding is being gobbled up by companies which either have loads of money, or should have no trouble raising capital. They are shopping around for the biggest subsidies they can get for things they need to do to remain in business anyway.Nigelb said:As Max pointed out, and as you just described, it is about funding.
The US government bought 90% of US (& the world's) semiconductor production in the industry's early years.
And the startups quoted in the article I linked are neither huge nor yet highly profitable.
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No, she'll be in an Air(pod)BnBRochdalePioneers said:
It bloody is the same, and the Labour attack campaign on this is utterly stupid. We have vast millions in fraudulent contracts paid out to Tory friends and donors, yes they decide to go on the attack because government ministers on government business stay in suitable hotels.CarlottaVance said:I’m not sure Angela thought this through:
Labour’s deputy leader, Angela Rayner, has denied that her decision to expense hundreds of pounds on Apple electronics is the same as Whitehall’s use of government procurement cards on luxury items.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2023/feb/13/conservatives-tories-rishi-sunak-expenses-spending-angela-rayner-labour-uk-politics-live
In 2025 when DPM Rayner is off to Paris for a summit she won't be staying in a sodding Ibis will she?1 -
Probably not in the sense of what people thought they saw. Some actual drone hobbyists were accused of things, with varying plausibility.Benpointer said:
It smacks a bit of the Gatwick drone fiasco. Were there ever actually any drones there?Leon said:
It could, still, just be drones and balloons plus a lot of neo-Cold War paranoia. I am not convinced we have any evidence for highly advanced technology let alone “alien” technologyDJ41a said:
See also Montana. Radar anomaly. Non-event. Yes we closed airspace, but ... as you were. Weeellll, if that's so then they sound very twitchy.WhisperingOracle said:
Indeed. I have to say that your usual refrain that this should be bigger news than it is is more than usually apt, at the moment.Leon said:“The US Air Force general overseeing North American airspace said Sunday he was not ruling out aliens after a string of shoot-downs of unidentified objects.
Asked whether he had ruled out an extraterrestrial origin for three floating objects shot down by warplanes in as many days, Gen. Glen VanHerck said: “I’ll let the intel community and the counterintelligence community figure that out.
“I haven’t ruled out anything.””
https://nypost.com/2023/02/13/top-general-not-ruling-out-aliens-after-3-ufos-shot-down/
Whatever this is, it's huge news either way. The world's leading military and technological superpower just has no idea what's going on.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11742541/Montana-congressman-says-object-state-NORAD-dismissed-anomaly.html
However we have plentiful evidence that the American (and Canadian) politico-military establishments are properly puzzled. If not rattled
The UFO shit could be a story to cover up national humiliation: that the USA has been intruded/surveilled by China for many years and the Americans were too slow or blinkered to realise
Or it’s a mix of all this. Plus aliens0 -
Its funny that people are bemoaning a lack of multibillion investments and just a few days/weeks ago the news was dominated by the oil and gas industry - an industry that manages multibillion investments routinely - and that sector was being bemoaned for not paying enough taxes apparently. Certainly not celebrated for making investments.
Having the right investment structure in place can be done by means other than writing a blank cheque.1 -
Is Scotland similar to Scandinavian nations? SNP voters certainly think so...
🇳🇴,🇩🇰, 🇸🇪 ,🇮🇸 , 🇫🇮: 52-61% SNP say similar
🏴: 31%
...but voters for the major unionist parties disagree
🇳🇴,🇩🇰, 🇸🇪 ,🇮🇸 , 🇫🇮: 22-31% of Scot Con/Lab/LD say similar
🏴: 69%
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/international/articles-reports/2023/02/13/scotland-similar-scandinavian-nations
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Would you support or oppose A&E and intensive care nurses going on strike?
Support: 52%
Oppose: 39%
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Exactly. It wasn't the "space race" that gave us the modern electronics industry, it was the far large military rocket programmes.Malmesbury said:
Because they were very enthusiastically using them. Because they needed insanely reliable computers (by standards of the day ) that were also really small.Nigelb said:
As Max pointed out, and as you just described, it is about funding.glw said:
US universities, national laboratories, and west coast electronics companies clustering, plus a whole load of Cold War spending, especially on electronics for aircraft, air defence, and ballistic missiles. The desire to integrate components and build more robust systems lead to the sort of electronics production that later facilitated LSI for computer systems, and ultimately enabled the micro-computer. I'm pretty sure that giving enormous tax breaks to already huge and highly profitable companies paid no real part in it, but if I'm wrong someone can pipe up.Nigelb said:Why do you think the US has a semiconductor industry in the first place ?
I'd prefer to have some of the highly profitable industries in the UK.
The US government bought 90% of US (& the world's) semiconductor production in the industry's early years.
Things like - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D-17B
When ICs came in to the picture the US military were on them like a tramp on a bag of chips…0 -
Well given the Swedish government is reliant on support from the Nationalist Swedish Democrats I can see why the Scottish National Party would see the similarities!StuartDickson said:Is Scotland similar to Scandinavian nations? SNP voters certainly think so...
🇳🇴,🇩🇰, 🇸🇪 ,🇮🇸 , 🇫🇮: 52-61% SNP say similar
🏴: 31%
...but voters for the major unionist parties disagree
🇳🇴,🇩🇰, 🇸🇪 ,🇮🇸 , 🇫🇮: 22-31% of Scot Con/Lab/LD say similar
🏴: 69%
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/international/articles-reports/2023/02/13/scotland-similar-scandinavian-nations2 -
Odd how we all saw this and thought the same thing: non-story, and likely to backfire. It was patently obvious. Yet somehow Labour strategists waved it through.Malmesbury said:
Indeed.RochdalePioneers said:
It bloody is the same, and the Labour attack campaign on this is utterly stupid. We have vast millions in fraudulent contracts paid out to Tory friends and donors, yes they decide to go on the attack because government ministers on government business stay in suitable hotels.CarlottaVance said:I’m not sure Angela thought this through:
Labour’s deputy leader, Angela Rayner, has denied that her decision to expense hundreds of pounds on Apple electronics is the same as Whitehall’s use of government procurement cards on luxury items.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2023/feb/13/conservatives-tories-rishi-sunak-expenses-spending-angela-rayner-labour-uk-politics-live
In 2025 when DPM Rayner is off to Paris for a summit she won't be staying in a sodding Ibis will she?
This is a stupid line to go down.
Almost as stupid as the time Brown tried to brief against the head of the U.K. military. Because he was taking foreign dignitaries (including chiefs of other militaries) to Aske. A pizza and pasta chain on about the Pizza Express level.
First tactical misstep from Starmer's team for quite a while.0 -
Good question. At the moment all parties have weaknesses varying from extinction level events to individuals at the top that just aren't the calibre.StuartDickson said:
She was horrifically poor. Is that really, really the best Labour can do? Really?algarkirk said:
Labour's answer to Sharon Stone was notably awful this morning on R4 Today.CarlottaVance said:I’m not sure Angela thought this through:
Labour’s deputy leader, Angela Rayner, has denied that her decision to expense hundreds of pounds on Apple electronics is the same as Whitehall’s use of government procurement cards on luxury items.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2023/feb/13/conservatives-tories-rishi-sunak-expenses-spending-angela-rayner-labour-uk-politics-live
Even the impregnable SNP seems to have developed a death wish. As for Labour, Angela Rayner (for whom I have a real bias in favour) has not being doing well - her job is to make sure that Labour voters vote Labour and that Tory voters who want to vote Labour aren't put off by her. And, though I am in a minority here, Rachel Reeves, as shadow CoE is just not a heavyweight.
None of this surely can stop Labour coming top; best result by far will be Labour needing LD support.
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To be fair, the two were intertwined.glw said:
Exactly. It wasn't the "space race" that gave us the modern electronics industry, it was the far large military rocket programmes.Malmesbury said:
Because they were very enthusiastically using them. Because they needed insanely reliable computers (by standards of the day ) that were also really small.Nigelb said:
As Max pointed out, and as you just described, it is about funding.glw said:
US universities, national laboratories, and west coast electronics companies clustering, plus a whole load of Cold War spending, especially on electronics for aircraft, air defence, and ballistic missiles. The desire to integrate components and build more robust systems lead to the sort of electronics production that later facilitated LSI for computer systems, and ultimately enabled the micro-computer. I'm pretty sure that giving enormous tax breaks to already huge and highly profitable companies paid no real part in it, but if I'm wrong someone can pipe up.Nigelb said:Why do you think the US has a semiconductor industry in the first place ?
I'd prefer to have some of the highly profitable industries in the UK.
The US government bought 90% of US (& the world's) semiconductor production in the industry's early years.
Things like - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D-17B
When ICs came in to the picture the US military were on them like a tramp on a bag of chips…
The Saturn V F1 engine started out as - ”for reliability, a rocket either needs 1 engine or lots. What is the required size for 1 engine for the first stage of an ICBM to put Ivy Mike on the Kremlin?”1 -
Here, though, we're talking about specialist businesses. Paragraf, for instance, is developing graphene on semiconductor products.MaxPB said:
Yup, if the government facilitated guaranteed buyers within the UK and subsidised the difference between global market price and buying from UK semiconductor companies for a period of 10 years it would probably be enough to get the industry going, but it would also cost tens of billions over that 10 years and even after that there's no guarantee that those companies will stay solvent once they are bidding for contracts on the open market.Nigelb said:
As Max pointed out, and as you just described, it is about funding.glw said:
US universities, national laboratories, and west coast electronics companies clustering, plus a whole load of Cold War spending, especially on electronics for aircraft, air defence, and ballistic missiles. The desire to integrate components and build more robust systems lead to the sort of electronics production that later facilitated LSI for computer systems, and ultimately enabled the micro-computer. I'm pretty sure that giving enormous tax breaks to already huge and highly profitable companies paid no real part in it, but if I'm wrong someone can pipe up.Nigelb said:Why do you think the US has a semiconductor industry in the first place ?
I'd prefer to have some of the highly profitable industries in the UK.
The US government bought 90% of US (& the world's) semiconductor production in the industry's early years.
And the startups quoted in the article I linked are neither huge nor yet highly profitable.
More generally, it's about staying in the technology game. If too many leave, that becomes even harder to reverse.0 -
The good news for Scottish nationalists is that most people in the two Nordic nations we surveyed – Denmark and Sweden – do see Scotland as similar to their own countries. The bad news is that they do not see Scotland as distinctly similar to them compared to England, or the wider UK.StuartDickson said:Is Scotland similar to Scandinavian nations? SNP voters certainly think so...
🇳🇴,🇩🇰, 🇸🇪 ,🇮🇸 , 🇫🇮: 52-61% SNP say similar
🏴: 31%
...but voters for the major unionist parties disagree
🇳🇴,🇩🇰, 🇸🇪 ,🇮🇸 , 🇫🇮: 22-31% of Scot Con/Lab/LD say similar
🏴: 69%
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/international/articles-reports/2023/02/13/scotland-similar-scandinavian-nations
While 58% of Danes and 56% of Swedes feel that Scotland is either very or fairly similar to their own countries, for England this figure is 62% and 61%, respectively.4 -
The other problem in that the government has failed to announce any strategy. Uncertainty carries additional costs - which are completely unnecessary.0
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I suppose the thought of confirmation bias can be excluded? And why isn't there a 'North Korea' comparison? One party state; trade barrier with closest neighbour; our beloved leader.....StuartDickson said:Is Scotland similar to Scandinavian nations? SNP voters certainly think so...
🇳🇴,🇩🇰, 🇸🇪 ,🇮🇸 , 🇫🇮: 52-61% SNP say similar
🏴: 31%
...but voters for the major unionist parties disagree
🇳🇴,🇩🇰, 🇸🇪 ,🇮🇸 , 🇫🇮: 22-31% of Scot Con/Lab/LD say similar
🏴: 69%
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/international/articles-reports/2023/02/13/scotland-similar-scandinavian-nations
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Ok but that's a bit nitpicky imo. The theme of the article is how the right seek to define the working class via their (supposed and subjective) "values" rather than their (objective and actual) relative poverty and therefore de-fang them as a threat to entrenched privilege and inequality. Lynch ilk working class, a threat; Anderson ilk working class, no threat. There's a fair amount in this, I think. It rings true to me.Richardr said:Re the Owen Jones article:
"In recent years, media outlets and politicians have treated the likes of Anderson as emblematic of working-class voters: a category they often see as, to be blunt, a white man in his 50s or 60s with a Midlands accent and reactionary opinions. Rishi Sunak, who enjoys a family fortune twice that of the king, presumably believes that Anderson represents a direct hotline to working-class England."
that should read "some" media outlets and "some" politicians - both have a large range - compare the Daily Mail with The Guardian for example.
Also when an article attributes a view to someone with the words "Rishi Sunak ... presumably believes" then we are in the world of make believe. I don't think anyone, including Anderson, believes the straw man he sets up.
There are ranges of views across all types of people - the voters who voted Conservative last time were not all from the same social sphere.2 -
I look at it the same way we did the Movie/TV subsidies which have been a huge, huge success and made the UK a TV and movie production super power. The initial costs are very high and the industry will always need some underlying support mechanism but the payoff is huge, visual media production is going to be our third largest single industry this decade after financial services and pharmaceuticals. When that production rebate was created it wasn't even in our top 20.Nigelb said:
Here, though, we're talking about specialist businesses. Paragraf, for instance, is developing graphene on semiconductor products.MaxPB said:
Yup, if the government facilitated guaranteed buyers within the UK and subsidised the difference between global market price and buying from UK semiconductor companies for a period of 10 years it would probably be enough to get the industry going, but it would also cost tens of billions over that 10 years and even after that there's no guarantee that those companies will stay solvent once they are bidding for contracts on the open market.Nigelb said:
As Max pointed out, and as you just described, it is about funding.glw said:
US universities, national laboratories, and west coast electronics companies clustering, plus a whole load of Cold War spending, especially on electronics for aircraft, air defence, and ballistic missiles. The desire to integrate components and build more robust systems lead to the sort of electronics production that later facilitated LSI for computer systems, and ultimately enabled the micro-computer. I'm pretty sure that giving enormous tax breaks to already huge and highly profitable companies paid no real part in it, but if I'm wrong someone can pipe up.Nigelb said:Why do you think the US has a semiconductor industry in the first place ?
I'd prefer to have some of the highly profitable industries in the UK.
The US government bought 90% of US (& the world's) semiconductor production in the industry's early years.
And the startups quoted in the article I linked are neither huge nor yet highly profitable.
More generally, it's about staying in the technology game. If too many leave, that becomes even harder to reverse.4 -
Expenses -- like family values -- is a double-edged sword in politics.algarkirk said:
Good question. At the moment all parties have weaknesses varying from extinction level events to individuals at the top that just aren't the calibre.StuartDickson said:
She was horrifically poor. Is that really, really the best Labour can do? Really?algarkirk said:
Labour's answer to Sharon Stone was notably awful this morning on R4 Today.CarlottaVance said:I’m not sure Angela thought this through:
Labour’s deputy leader, Angela Rayner, has denied that her decision to expense hundreds of pounds on Apple electronics is the same as Whitehall’s use of government procurement cards on luxury items.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2023/feb/13/conservatives-tories-rishi-sunak-expenses-spending-angela-rayner-labour-uk-politics-live
Even the impregnable SNP seems to have developed a death wish. As for Labour, Angela Rayner (for whom I have a real bias in favour) has not being doing well - her job is to make sure that Labour voters vote Labour and that Tory voters who want to vote Labour aren't put off by her. And, though I am in a minority here, Rachel Reeves, as shadow CoE is just not a heavyweight.
None of this surely can stop Labour coming top; best result by far will be Labour needing LD support.
Your side has to be squeaky clean to make it work.
If any Tories need corruption dirt on Labour, try looking over Clawdd Offa.
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What's being talked about is hundreds of millions, not billions.BartholomewRoberts said:Its funny that people are bemoaning a lack of multibillion investments and just a few days/weeks ago the news was dominated by the oil and gas industry - an industry that manages multibillion investments routinely - and that sector was being bemoaned for not paying enough taxes apparently. Certainly not celebrated for making investments.
Having the right investment structure in place can be done by means other than writing a blank cheque.
No one thinks we can match the resources of the EU or US.0 -
We perhaps have rather different political perspectives, but on this we seem to be in agreement.MaxPB said:
I look at it the same way we did the Movie/TV subsidies which have been a huge, huge success and made the UK a TV and movie production super power. The initial costs are very high and the industry will always need some underlying support mechanism but the payoff is huge, visual media production is going to be our third largest single industry this decade after financial services and pharmaceuticals. When that production rebate was created it wasn't even in our top 20.Nigelb said:
Here, though, we're talking about specialist businesses. Paragraf, for instance, is developing graphene on semiconductor products.MaxPB said:
Yup, if the government facilitated guaranteed buyers within the UK and subsidised the difference between global market price and buying from UK semiconductor companies for a period of 10 years it would probably be enough to get the industry going, but it would also cost tens of billions over that 10 years and even after that there's no guarantee that those companies will stay solvent once they are bidding for contracts on the open market.Nigelb said:
As Max pointed out, and as you just described, it is about funding.glw said:
US universities, national laboratories, and west coast electronics companies clustering, plus a whole load of Cold War spending, especially on electronics for aircraft, air defence, and ballistic missiles. The desire to integrate components and build more robust systems lead to the sort of electronics production that later facilitated LSI for computer systems, and ultimately enabled the micro-computer. I'm pretty sure that giving enormous tax breaks to already huge and highly profitable companies paid no real part in it, but if I'm wrong someone can pipe up.Nigelb said:Why do you think the US has a semiconductor industry in the first place ?
I'd prefer to have some of the highly profitable industries in the UK.
The US government bought 90% of US (& the world's) semiconductor production in the industry's early years.
And the startups quoted in the article I linked are neither huge nor yet highly profitable.
More generally, it's about staying in the technology game. If too many leave, that becomes even harder to reverse.0 -
Yvette Cooper will do.YBarddCwsc said:
Expenses -- like family values -- is a double-edged sword in politics.algarkirk said:
Good question. At the moment all parties have weaknesses varying from extinction level events to individuals at the top that just aren't the calibre.StuartDickson said:
She was horrifically poor. Is that really, really the best Labour can do? Really?algarkirk said:
Labour's answer to Sharon Stone was notably awful this morning on R4 Today.CarlottaVance said:I’m not sure Angela thought this through:
Labour’s deputy leader, Angela Rayner, has denied that her decision to expense hundreds of pounds on Apple electronics is the same as Whitehall’s use of government procurement cards on luxury items.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2023/feb/13/conservatives-tories-rishi-sunak-expenses-spending-angela-rayner-labour-uk-politics-live
Even the impregnable SNP seems to have developed a death wish. As for Labour, Angela Rayner (for whom I have a real bias in favour) has not being doing well - her job is to make sure that Labour voters vote Labour and that Tory voters who want to vote Labour aren't put off by her. And, though I am in a minority here, Rachel Reeves, as shadow CoE is just not a heavyweight.
None of this surely can stop Labour coming top; best result by far will be Labour needing LD support.
Your side has to be squeaky clean to make it work.
If any Tories need corruption dirt on Labour, try looking over Clawdd Offa.0 -
Whither Opinium?
Exactly one month since the last one!0 -
Weirdest thing I've seen from the earthquake disaster.
Adıyaman, Turkey. One of the most damaged by the earthquake cities.
The buildings have literally "stepped" onto the cars that were parked nearby.
Hundreds of buildings in the city became rubble.
https://mobile.twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1625141492925845510
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Oh dear…..
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Nor should we. Though one could argue the EU don't have the resources to match Shell, BP etc when it comes to investment either.Nigelb said:
What's being talked about is hundreds of millions, not billions.BartholomewRoberts said:Its funny that people are bemoaning a lack of multibillion investments and just a few days/weeks ago the news was dominated by the oil and gas industry - an industry that manages multibillion investments routinely - and that sector was being bemoaned for not paying enough taxes apparently. Certainly not celebrated for making investments.
Having the right investment structure in place can be done by means other than writing a blank cheque.
No one thinks we can match the resources of the EU or US.
The private sector can make the right investments if there's the right incentives. Max has made my point with the film industry, we haven't chosen winners and lovers there, we've set a sensible investment framework then left it to other parties to operate within that framework.0 -
Resignation incoming.
BBC News understands the BBC board is meeting on Monday. One source has told BBC News that there were no scheduled meetings planned this month.
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Those aliens are being so naughty, winding up China and the US against each other.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-64621598
"China's foreign ministry says the US has flown balloons into its airspace more than 10 times in the past year.
It comes after the US on 4 February shot down a suspected spy balloon over its airspace - which China said was one of its weather balloons gone astray.
Relations between the two countries have since deteriorated. In recent days, the US has also shot down a number of other unidentified objects.
Questioned on Monday, Beijing said the US had made many airspace breaches.
'It's not uncommon as well for the US to illegally enter the airspace of other countries,' said foreign ministry spokesman Wang Wenbin at a regular press briefing.
'Since last year alone, US balloons have illegally flown above China more than 10 times without any approval from Chinese authorities.'
'The first thing the US side should do is start with a clean slate, undergo some self-reflection, instead of smearing and accusing China,' he added.
He said Beijing had responded to the incursions in a 'responsible and professional' manner.
'If you want to know more about US high-altitude balloons illegally entering China's airspace, I suggest you refer to the US side,' he said.
Chinese state-affiliated media reported over the weekend that an unidentified flying object had been spotted off the country's east coast, with the military preparing to shoot it down.
The White House denied Beijing's accusation that it sent balloons over China to conduct surveillance, with National Security Council spokesperson Adrienne Watson calling the claims 'false' on Twitter.
The first balloon incident led US Secretary of State Antony Blinken to cancel a planned trip to Beijing. The top diplomat called China's alleged high-altitude spying 'unacceptable and irresponsible'."
Back in 1960 the US denied sending spy planes over the USSR. How disgraceful to accuse the US of doing something as dirty as that! Then the Soviets produced pilot Gary Powers and asked "Who's this guy, then? Hmmm?" Eisenhower promptly did an about turn and claimed the US had a right to overfly. Imagine thinking the US should refrain from conducting such thoroughly honourable flights!
The US denial in the present case is interesting. I wonder whether it will come back to bite them. All it will take is China producing electronics they have recovered from one US balloon they shoot down. That's if the US really is sending balloons over China and it's not wholly the work of those pesky aliens.0 -
"Ivy Mike". Bloody transsexual h-bombs.Malmesbury said:
To be fair, the two were intertwined.glw said:
Exactly. It wasn't the "space race" that gave us the modern electronics industry, it was the far large military rocket programmes.Malmesbury said:
Because they were very enthusiastically using them. Because they needed insanely reliable computers (by standards of the day ) that were also really small.Nigelb said:
As Max pointed out, and as you just described, it is about funding.glw said:
US universities, national laboratories, and west coast electronics companies clustering, plus a whole load of Cold War spending, especially on electronics for aircraft, air defence, and ballistic missiles. The desire to integrate components and build more robust systems lead to the sort of electronics production that later facilitated LSI for computer systems, and ultimately enabled the micro-computer. I'm pretty sure that giving enormous tax breaks to already huge and highly profitable companies paid no real part in it, but if I'm wrong someone can pipe up.Nigelb said:Why do you think the US has a semiconductor industry in the first place ?
I'd prefer to have some of the highly profitable industries in the UK.
The US government bought 90% of US (& the world's) semiconductor production in the industry's early years.
Things like - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D-17B
When ICs came in to the picture the US military were on them like a tramp on a bag of chips…
The Saturn V F1 engine started out as - ”for reliability, a rocket either needs 1 engine or lots. What is the required size for 1 engine for the first stage of an ICBM to put Ivy Mike on the Kremlin?”1 -
Agreed, and as an aside folk on here should hush their sneers on people with film or media degrees.MaxPB said:
I look at it the same way we did the Movie/TV subsidies which have been a huge, huge success and made the UK a TV and movie production super power. The initial costs are very high and the industry will always need some underlying support mechanism but the payoff is huge, visual media production is going to be our third largest single industry this decade after financial services and pharmaceuticals. When that production rebate was created it wasn't even in our top 20.Nigelb said:
Here, though, we're talking about specialist businesses. Paragraf, for instance, is developing graphene on semiconductor products.MaxPB said:
Yup, if the government facilitated guaranteed buyers within the UK and subsidised the difference between global market price and buying from UK semiconductor companies for a period of 10 years it would probably be enough to get the industry going, but it would also cost tens of billions over that 10 years and even after that there's no guarantee that those companies will stay solvent once they are bidding for contracts on the open market.Nigelb said:
As Max pointed out, and as you just described, it is about funding.glw said:
US universities, national laboratories, and west coast electronics companies clustering, plus a whole load of Cold War spending, especially on electronics for aircraft, air defence, and ballistic missiles. The desire to integrate components and build more robust systems lead to the sort of electronics production that later facilitated LSI for computer systems, and ultimately enabled the micro-computer. I'm pretty sure that giving enormous tax breaks to already huge and highly profitable companies paid no real part in it, but if I'm wrong someone can pipe up.Nigelb said:Why do you think the US has a semiconductor industry in the first place ?
I'd prefer to have some of the highly profitable industries in the UK.
The US government bought 90% of US (& the world's) semiconductor production in the industry's early years.
And the startups quoted in the article I linked are neither huge nor yet highly profitable.
More generally, it's about staying in the technology game. If too many leave, that becomes even harder to reverse.0 -
That said, maybe the aliens can fake up some electronics that ostensibly come from any country they want. Got to wonder what the aliens think of Vladimir Putin. Maybe they like him.DJ41a said:Those aliens are being so naughty, winding up China and the US against each other.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-64621598
"China's foreign ministry says the US has flown balloons into its airspace more than 10 times in the past year.
It comes after the US on 4 February shot down a suspected spy balloon over its airspace - which China said was one of its weather balloons gone astray.
Relations between the two countries have since deteriorated. In recent days, the US has also shot down a number of other unidentified objects.
Questioned on Monday, Beijing said the US had made many airspace breaches.
'It's not uncommon as well for the US to illegally enter the airspace of other countries,' said foreign ministry spokesman Wang Wenbin at a regular press briefing.
'Since last year alone, US balloons have illegally flown above China more than 10 times without any approval from Chinese authorities.'
'The first thing the US side should do is start with a clean slate, undergo some self-reflection, instead of smearing and accusing China,' he added.
He said Beijing had responded to the incursions in a 'responsible and professional' manner.
'If you want to know more about US high-altitude balloons illegally entering China's airspace, I suggest you refer to the US side,' he said.
Chinese state-affiliated media reported over the weekend that an unidentified flying object had been spotted off the country's east coast, with the military preparing to shoot it down.
The White House denied Beijing's accusation that it sent balloons over China to conduct surveillance, with National Security Council spokesperson Adrienne Watson calling the claims 'false' on Twitter.
The first balloon incident led US Secretary of State Antony Blinken to cancel a planned trip to Beijing. The top diplomat called China's alleged high-altitude spying 'unacceptable and irresponsible'."
Back in 1960 the US denied sending spy planes over the USSR. How disgraceful to accuse the US of doing something as dirty as that! Then the Soviets produced pilot Gary Powers and asked "Who's this guy, then? Hmmm?" Eisenhower promptly did an about turn and claimed the US had a right to overfly. Imagine thinking the US should refrain from conducting such thoroughly honourable flights!
The US denial in the present case is interesting. I wonder whether it will come back to bite them. All it will take is China producing electronics they have recovered from one US balloon they shoot down. That's if the US really is sending balloons over China and it's not wholly the work of those pesky aliens.
Sergei Shoygu probably knows much more than he is saying, especially given the excavations here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Por-Bazhyn0 -
Would be one heck of a Poison Ivy.RochdalePioneers said:
"Ivy Mike". Bloody transsexual h-bombs.Malmesbury said:
To be fair, the two were intertwined.glw said:
Exactly. It wasn't the "space race" that gave us the modern electronics industry, it was the far large military rocket programmes.Malmesbury said:
Because they were very enthusiastically using them. Because they needed insanely reliable computers (by standards of the day ) that were also really small.Nigelb said:
As Max pointed out, and as you just described, it is about funding.glw said:
US universities, national laboratories, and west coast electronics companies clustering, plus a whole load of Cold War spending, especially on electronics for aircraft, air defence, and ballistic missiles. The desire to integrate components and build more robust systems lead to the sort of electronics production that later facilitated LSI for computer systems, and ultimately enabled the micro-computer. I'm pretty sure that giving enormous tax breaks to already huge and highly profitable companies paid no real part in it, but if I'm wrong someone can pipe up.Nigelb said:Why do you think the US has a semiconductor industry in the first place ?
I'd prefer to have some of the highly profitable industries in the UK.
The US government bought 90% of US (& the world's) semiconductor production in the industry's early years.
Things like - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D-17B
When ICs came in to the picture the US military were on them like a tramp on a bag of chips…
The Saturn V F1 engine started out as - ”for reliability, a rocket either needs 1 engine or lots. What is the required size for 1 engine for the first stage of an ICBM to put Ivy Mike on the Kremlin?”1 -
Sue Neil.RochdalePioneers said:
"Ivy Mike". Bloody transsexual h-bombs.Malmesbury said:
To be fair, the two were intertwined.glw said:
Exactly. It wasn't the "space race" that gave us the modern electronics industry, it was the far large military rocket programmes.Malmesbury said:
Because they were very enthusiastically using them. Because they needed insanely reliable computers (by standards of the day ) that were also really small.Nigelb said:
As Max pointed out, and as you just described, it is about funding.glw said:
US universities, national laboratories, and west coast electronics companies clustering, plus a whole load of Cold War spending, especially on electronics for aircraft, air defence, and ballistic missiles. The desire to integrate components and build more robust systems lead to the sort of electronics production that later facilitated LSI for computer systems, and ultimately enabled the micro-computer. I'm pretty sure that giving enormous tax breaks to already huge and highly profitable companies paid no real part in it, but if I'm wrong someone can pipe up.Nigelb said:Why do you think the US has a semiconductor industry in the first place ?
I'd prefer to have some of the highly profitable industries in the UK.
The US government bought 90% of US (& the world's) semiconductor production in the industry's early years.
Things like - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D-17B
When ICs came in to the picture the US military were on them like a tramp on a bag of chips…
The Saturn V F1 engine started out as - ”for reliability, a rocket either needs 1 engine or lots. What is the required size for 1 engine for the first stage of an ICBM to put Ivy Mike on the Kremlin?”0 -
One of the main reasons govt. depts use GPCs is to circumvent the laborious procurement processes (not the COVID f̶r̶a̶u̶d̶ fast lane), often for quite minor stuff like specific training which can't be paid via invoice or to subscribe to a journal.TimS said:
Odd how we all saw this and thought the same thing: non-story, and likely to backfire. It was patently obvious. Yet somehow Labour strategists waved it through.Malmesbury said:
Indeed.RochdalePioneers said:
It bloody is the same, and the Labour attack campaign on this is utterly stupid. We have vast millions in fraudulent contracts paid out to Tory friends and donors, yes they decide to go on the attack because government ministers on government business stay in suitable hotels.CarlottaVance said:I’m not sure Angela thought this through:
Labour’s deputy leader, Angela Rayner, has denied that her decision to expense hundreds of pounds on Apple electronics is the same as Whitehall’s use of government procurement cards on luxury items.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2023/feb/13/conservatives-tories-rishi-sunak-expenses-spending-angela-rayner-labour-uk-politics-live
In 2025 when DPM Rayner is off to Paris for a summit she won't be staying in a sodding Ibis will she?
This is a stupid line to go down.
Almost as stupid as the time Brown tried to brief against the head of the U.K. military. Because he was taking foreign dignitaries (including chiefs of other militaries) to Aske. A pizza and pasta chain on about the Pizza Express level.
First tactical misstep from Starmer's team for quite a while.
Years ago, I had to write a procurement business case to download a font (seriously).0 -
Presumably the bottom storey has collapsed. A lot of buildings appear to have had this happen often with the 2nd and higher storeys remaining more or less intact (but lower obvs.) My assumption is that a violent sideways movement snapped the columns of the ground floor and dropped the whole building by one floor.Nigelb said:Weirdest thing I've seen from the earthquake disaster.
Adıyaman, Turkey. One of the most damaged by the earthquake cities.
The buildings have literally "stepped" onto the cars that were parked nearby.
Hundreds of buildings in the city became rubble.
https://mobile.twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/16251414929258455100 -
Why, what has Neil done?Sunil_Prasannan said:
Sue Neil.RochdalePioneers said:
"Ivy Mike". Bloody transsexual h-bombs.Malmesbury said:
To be fair, the two were intertwined.glw said:
Exactly. It wasn't the "space race" that gave us the modern electronics industry, it was the far large military rocket programmes.Malmesbury said:
Because they were very enthusiastically using them. Because they needed insanely reliable computers (by standards of the day ) that were also really small.Nigelb said:
As Max pointed out, and as you just described, it is about funding.glw said:
US universities, national laboratories, and west coast electronics companies clustering, plus a whole load of Cold War spending, especially on electronics for aircraft, air defence, and ballistic missiles. The desire to integrate components and build more robust systems lead to the sort of electronics production that later facilitated LSI for computer systems, and ultimately enabled the micro-computer. I'm pretty sure that giving enormous tax breaks to already huge and highly profitable companies paid no real part in it, but if I'm wrong someone can pipe up.Nigelb said:Why do you think the US has a semiconductor industry in the first place ?
I'd prefer to have some of the highly profitable industries in the UK.
The US government bought 90% of US (& the world's) semiconductor production in the industry's early years.
Things like - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D-17B
When ICs came in to the picture the US military were on them like a tramp on a bag of chips…
The Saturn V F1 engine started out as - ”for reliability, a rocket either needs 1 engine or lots. What is the required size for 1 engine for the first stage of an ICBM to put Ivy Mike on the Kremlin?”0 -
A mad piece of engineering. At one point, they realised that they wanted to make the uranium pusher - a cylinder of uranium weighing many tons - more reflective. So they hired a sign painter from Las Vegas, who plated it perfectly in gold leaf, mirror smooth.RochdalePioneers said:
"Ivy Mike". Bloody transsexual h-bombs.Malmesbury said:
To be fair, the two were intertwined.glw said:
Exactly. It wasn't the "space race" that gave us the modern electronics industry, it was the far large military rocket programmes.Malmesbury said:
Because they were very enthusiastically using them. Because they needed insanely reliable computers (by standards of the day ) that were also really small.Nigelb said:
As Max pointed out, and as you just described, it is about funding.glw said:
US universities, national laboratories, and west coast electronics companies clustering, plus a whole load of Cold War spending, especially on electronics for aircraft, air defence, and ballistic missiles. The desire to integrate components and build more robust systems lead to the sort of electronics production that later facilitated LSI for computer systems, and ultimately enabled the micro-computer. I'm pretty sure that giving enormous tax breaks to already huge and highly profitable companies paid no real part in it, but if I'm wrong someone can pipe up.Nigelb said:Why do you think the US has a semiconductor industry in the first place ?
I'd prefer to have some of the highly profitable industries in the UK.
The US government bought 90% of US (& the world's) semiconductor production in the industry's early years.
Things like - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D-17B
When ICs came in to the picture the US military were on them like a tramp on a bag of chips…
The Saturn V F1 engine started out as - ”for reliability, a rocket either needs 1 engine or lots. What is the required size for 1 engine for the first stage of an ICBM to put Ivy Mike on the Kremlin?”
The Soviets has big problems gold plating their H Bombs, since post Romanovs, the demand for acres of gold leaf work had dropped of quite a bit.
Who knew that bad taste could be a strategic capability?2 -
The other thing that's interesting about this whole balloons business is the cultural aspect.
If Twitter is anything to go by, there are huge numbers of Americans whose first reaction to all this is that it's simply the latest in a trio of government-controlled propaganda and manipulation ( 'psyops') after first the pandemic, and then Ukraine. In fact, that almost seems to be the dominant and reflex American reaction on Twitter, which is itself in fact even still dominated by left-of-centre posters.
I doubt the reaction would be as strong in that direction, from Europeans, or Asians. America is not in a good place not only politically, but in terms of its public psychology , and trust in democratic institutions.0 -
Well I can only offer my own view based on a lifetime's experience of campaigning for and representing the Liberals and then LibDems. People who tend to vote LibDem in General Elections have always been disproportionately disaffected Tories, hence the Liberals always tended to do better in more middle class areas (whilst still of course being miles behind) and the party does better when the Tories are departing office - the two GEs in 1974 are two more cases in point; indeed for a few southern constituencies the Feb 1974 Liberal vote share remains unbeaten by any third party to this day. Whereas compare 1970 and 1979 - poor Liberal results when Labour was being turfed out. If there is an exception, it's 2010 and Cleggmania.BartholomewRoberts said:
Indeed, but 1997 is an unusual case too. All cases where the number of instances = 1 are rather by definition unusual cases.IanB2 said:
1983 is an unusual case, which is often misunderstood as somehow being a split in the anti-Tory vote. Yet research has shown that a majority of Alliance voters in that GE preferred the Tories to Labour. It's quite possible that the Alliance column included a lot of former Tory voters repelled by Mrs T, whereas disaffected Labour voters, repelled by Foot, CND and the rest, plumped Conservative. Hence the massive run of good but not close second places the Alliance chalked up in what we now call the blue wall.BartholomewRoberts said:
What historical evidence is there for that besides 1997? Be careful of letting history be a single instance.IanB2 said:
And if you look at 1997 that disproves Carlotta's contention in any case.Peter_the_Punter said:
Depends on the constituency, Carlotta.CarlottaVance said:On topic, not sure Labour voters who think they’re on track for a Labour government are going to “lend” their votes to the LDs. Much easier to do if Labour are clearly heading for opposition - which won’t be the case this time. Who doesn’t like to back a winner? “Only LibDems (who?) can stop the Tories” may come across as counterintuitive, and certainly from a national point of view.
Here in sunny Tewkesbury the LDs are coming from so far back the considerations you mention may well apply. I'm unsure how I would vote myself.
Down the road in Cheltenham however it's a different gether altothing. If the LDs don't win there, they've had a very bad night.
Historically the third party has always had its best results when a Conservative government is unpopular, because many Conservative voters have always been resistant to voting Labour even when thoroughly disillusioned with 'their own side', whereas the other way around whilst Labour may have had a historically strong tribal vote, once a voter is ready to break with the tribe they are mostly quite willing to jump to the Tories without stopping to vote for a centre party - cf. the former red wall.
Actually if you look further back, the third party did very well in 1983 (where they doubled their seats) while the Tories were scoring a landslide and Labour were doing very badly. The last time before that they did well was February 1974 when both major parties fell backwards by a combined 13.4% of the national vote share. While their worst result was of course 2015 when both major parties gained vote share.
There's no discernible pattern it seems to me to be a case of this party doing well is good news for the third party, rather it seems to be a case of the third party can do well when a party suffers, whether it be Tories (1997) or Labour (1983) or both (1974).
Either way, there's not enough data from a sample of 1 to give any rule of thumb. The Lib Dems ought to do better in the next election simple due to a rising tide effect, there's more opportunities from the Tories doing badly (and less dislike of the Lib Dems than in the past so that should unwind) but then when Labour next becomes unpopular that too could lead to new opportunities for the Lib Dems just as they gained seats in 1983.
Churn and chaos creates opportunities.
The reason the Libs/LibDems pick up these people is that many Tories see themselves (generally unreasonably) as "not political" and their primary motivation is fear of Labour. Even when they are p***ed off with the Tories they still won't vote Labour.
Labour voters can be won over but this requires action, not policies, and in an area where Labour has demonstrably failed or taken people for granted. So isolated seats like Bermondsey or Redcar or Chesterfield can be taken when Labour is seen as complacent and out-of-touch and voters can be won over by being active and present and getting things done. The irony is that, although more difficult to win over, these ex-Labour voters once converted tend to be more loyal (at least pre-coalition!) than the disaffected Tories, who when their party gets its act together tend to go back (for the GE) regardless of how much work their LibDem campaigners are doing.2 -
Downloading it is cheaper than using a courier.Ghedebrav said:Years ago, I had to write a procurement business case to download a font (seriously).
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I've always suspected that an advanced alien civilisation with the technology to travel at close to light speed across interstellar distances would arrive in Earth orbit unobserved and proceed to dispatch a fleet of small, easily detectable balloons into our atmosphere.
https://twitter.com/ProfBrianCox/status/16251070976952565765 -
The other current American obession on twitter is "distractions". The balloons are either some form of 'distraction', which thousands of posters enjoy spending hours creatively excavating and cataloguing , amongst the supposed others , or the latest in a trio of the "manipulations", after Covid and Ukraine.
Combined, these are actually making up the majority of posts on the topic.0 -
"The tyranny of digital currencies
Central banks are creating their own surveillance state
BY THOMAS FAZI"
https://unherd.com/2023/02/the-tyranny-of-digital-currencies/0 -
You're avenir laugh.williamglenn said:
Downloading it is cheaper than using a courier.Ghedebrav said:Years ago, I had to write a procurement business case to download a font (seriously).
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The SNP are not seen much more favourably than Scottish Labour these days (which is a big change from the last decade & half). SNP has a mean score of 39, barely much more than SLab at 36.
FM is mean 41, not much ahead of Starmer at 37 or Sarwar at 36
https://twitter.com/DeanMThomson/status/16251322783377039370 -
Labour have always been as bad as the Tories, only thing both parties agree on is milking the public purse in their own interests.CorrectHorseBattery3 said:The idea buying some AirPods for work is in anyway comparable to the Tories and their continued sleaze is laughable
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Trying to think what the most interesting outcome of this whole balloon thing would be. The options so far being China and America sending spy vehicles at each other (boring), aliens (unlikely), or something innocent and overblown like weather balloons.
The more fun outcomes might be something like:
- These turn out to be surveillance craft sent up by a mad genius or private organisation that's been quietly plotting to a. zap people with lethal brainwaves then rule the world, or b. steal valuable technological secrets to make money
- A small country not otherwise known to be a geopolitical menace has decided to enter the espionage game. Say Tonga (quite convenient Pacific location), Guernsey or Uruguay.
- Someone with a huge amount of money is doing an excellent prank following a dare by his mates0 -
One trick pony Max, especially given you could buy and sell multiple pensioners.MaxPB said:
Anything that requires diverting today's (and sadly tomorrow's) money away from old people is simply not going to get funded. The UK government now exists to shovel tax to them via pensions and healthcare, everything else is expendable, including education, industrial spending and eventually even defence spending.Nigelb said:
"Well run" is very definitely an example of begging the question. But nice try slipping it in there.BartholomewRoberts said:
The idea that we need to be in the EU for industry or due to an EU trade war with China, is as patently absurd as an argument that Singapore, South Korea and Taiwan need to join China for the same reason in reverse.FF43 said:
Given we have Brexited, and given the consequent disinvestment in the UK, what are the best/least bad bets for the UK at this point, for our niche industries?Nigelb said:The number of UK companies considering decamping is getting somewhat alarming.
British semiconductor bosses threaten to move overseas as U.S. and EU splurge on chips
https://www.cnbc.com/2023/02/13/uk-semiconductor-strategy-chip-firms-threaten-to-move-overseas.html
...In the U.S., President Joe Biden signed into law the CHIPS and Science Act, a $280 billion package that includes $52 billion of funding to boost domestic semiconductor manufacturing.
The EU, meanwhile, has earmarked 43 billion euros ($45.9 billion) for Europe’s semiconductor industry with the aim of producing 20% of the world’s semiconductors by 2030...
...The U.K. won’t have the kind of financial firepower to match those bold spending packages, they say. However, they’re hopeful the country will commit to investment in the several millions, tax incentives, and an easier immigration process for high-skilled workers...
...A U.K. semiconductor strategy was expected to come out last year. But it has faced a series of delays due to political instability. The government previously suggested establishing a national institution, among other initiatives, to boost its semiconductor industry.
“The rumors I’ve heard is [it may arrive] any day now,” Chris Ballance, co-founder of U.K. quantum computing startup Oxford Ionics, told CNBC. However, he added the process had been “going on for the last four or five months.”
Actually well run smaller independent countries like SK, Taiwan and Singapore tend to do much better than the bureaucratic behemothic bloc does.
British semiconductor bosses threaten to move overseas as U.S. and EU splurge on chips
https://www.cnbc.com/2023/02/13/uk-semiconductor-strategy-chip-firms-threaten-to-move-overseas.html
...In the U.S., President Joe Biden signed into law the CHIPS and Science Act, a $280 billion package that includes $52 billion of funding to boost domestic semiconductor manufacturing.
The EU, meanwhile, has earmarked 43 billion euros ($45.9 billion) for Europe’s semiconductor industry with the aim of producing 20% of the world’s semiconductors by 2030...
...The U.K. won’t have the kind of financial firepower to match those bold spending packages, they say. However, they’re hopeful the country will commit to investment in the several millions, tax incentives, and an easier immigration process for high-skilled workers...
...A U.K. semiconductor strategy was expected to come out last year. But it has faced a series of delays due to political instability. The government previously suggested establishing a national institution, among other initiatives, to boost its semiconductor industry.
“The rumors I’ve heard is [it may arrive] any day now,” Chris Ballance, co-founder of U.K. quantum computing startup Oxford Ionics, told CNBC. However, he added the process had been “going on for the last four or five months.”
Not many pensioners can afford £40 Taco's.1 -
A bold statement.Ghedebrav said:
You're avenir laugh.williamglenn said:
Downloading it is cheaper than using a courier.Ghedebrav said:Years ago, I had to write a procurement business case to download a font (seriously).
Is it justified ?0 -
Best April Fool ever….Nigelb said:
A bold statement.Ghedebrav said:
You're avenir laugh.williamglenn said:
Downloading it is cheaper than using a courier.Ghedebrav said:Years ago, I had to write a procurement business case to download a font (seriously).
Is it justified ?
https://amp.theguardian.com/gnmeducationcentre/archive-educational-resource-april-2012
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Not many pensioners (or anyone else, frankly, but put that aside) EAT £40 tacos. But as a segment of society, pensioners are better able to afford £40 tacos than any other age group. If they wanted to spend their money on that.malcolmg said:
One trick pony Max, especially given you could buy and sell multiple pensioners.MaxPB said:
Anything that requires diverting today's (and sadly tomorrow's) money away from old people is simply not going to get funded. The UK government now exists to shovel tax to them via pensions and healthcare, everything else is expendable, including education, industrial spending and eventually even defence spending.Nigelb said:
"Well run" is very definitely an example of begging the question. But nice try slipping it in there.BartholomewRoberts said:
The idea that we need to be in the EU for industry or due to an EU trade war with China, is as patently absurd as an argument that Singapore, South Korea and Taiwan need to join China for the same reason in reverse.FF43 said:
Given we have Brexited, and given the consequent disinvestment in the UK, what are the best/least bad bets for the UK at this point, for our niche industries?Nigelb said:The number of UK companies considering decamping is getting somewhat alarming.
British semiconductor bosses threaten to move overseas as U.S. and EU splurge on chips
https://www.cnbc.com/2023/02/13/uk-semiconductor-strategy-chip-firms-threaten-to-move-overseas.html
...In the U.S., President Joe Biden signed into law the CHIPS and Science Act, a $280 billion package that includes $52 billion of funding to boost domestic semiconductor manufacturing.
The EU, meanwhile, has earmarked 43 billion euros ($45.9 billion) for Europe’s semiconductor industry with the aim of producing 20% of the world’s semiconductors by 2030...
...The U.K. won’t have the kind of financial firepower to match those bold spending packages, they say. However, they’re hopeful the country will commit to investment in the several millions, tax incentives, and an easier immigration process for high-skilled workers...
...A U.K. semiconductor strategy was expected to come out last year. But it has faced a series of delays due to political instability. The government previously suggested establishing a national institution, among other initiatives, to boost its semiconductor industry.
“The rumors I’ve heard is [it may arrive] any day now,” Chris Ballance, co-founder of U.K. quantum computing startup Oxford Ionics, told CNBC. However, he added the process had been “going on for the last four or five months.”
Actually well run smaller independent countries like SK, Taiwan and Singapore tend to do much better than the bureaucratic behemothic bloc does.
British semiconductor bosses threaten to move overseas as U.S. and EU splurge on chips
https://www.cnbc.com/2023/02/13/uk-semiconductor-strategy-chip-firms-threaten-to-move-overseas.html
...In the U.S., President Joe Biden signed into law the CHIPS and Science Act, a $280 billion package that includes $52 billion of funding to boost domestic semiconductor manufacturing.
The EU, meanwhile, has earmarked 43 billion euros ($45.9 billion) for Europe’s semiconductor industry with the aim of producing 20% of the world’s semiconductors by 2030...
...The U.K. won’t have the kind of financial firepower to match those bold spending packages, they say. However, they’re hopeful the country will commit to investment in the several millions, tax incentives, and an easier immigration process for high-skilled workers...
...A U.K. semiconductor strategy was expected to come out last year. But it has faced a series of delays due to political instability. The government previously suggested establishing a national institution, among other initiatives, to boost its semiconductor industry.
“The rumors I’ve heard is [it may arrive] any day now,” Chris Ballance, co-founder of U.K. quantum computing startup Oxford Ionics, told CNBC. However, he added the process had been “going on for the last four or five months.”
Not many pensioners can afford £40 Taco's.
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This thread is full of wing dings.Nigelb said:
A bold statement.Ghedebrav said:
You're avenir laugh.williamglenn said:
Downloading it is cheaper than using a courier.Ghedebrav said:Years ago, I had to write a procurement business case to download a font (seriously).
Is it justified ?0 -
I shot the serif.Malmesbury said:
This thread is full of wing dings.Nigelb said:
A bold statement.Ghedebrav said:
You're avenir laugh.williamglenn said:
Downloading it is cheaper than using a courier.Ghedebrav said:Years ago, I had to write a procurement business case to download a font (seriously).
Is it justified ?4 -
True but Labour are not shy of sleaze themselves. Never forget Ecclestone, thrice sacked Mandelson etc.CorrectHorseBattery3 said:The idea buying some AirPods for work is in anyway comparable to the Tories and their continued sleaze is laughable
I suspect, but cannot prove, that the level of sleaze increases in proportion to time in office. The tories have been there for 13 long years and once again sleaze is consuming them. If/when labour serve a similar term, it will happen to them too. Boundaries get blurred.
I don't subscribe to the view of politics that Labour are more virtuous. It was interesting on The Last Leg to see Adam Hill's suggestion that Labour should give their MP's pay rise to charity utterly dismissed by Dara O'Brain.1 -
There is a James Bond villain type scenario, isn't there. I'm trying to picture which one ; Dr No was always the best performance, but this would be a more like the '80s Bond, with the airships, silicon valley and Grace Jones.TimS said:Trying to think what the most interesting outcome of this whole balloon thing would be. The options so far being China and America sending spy vehicles at each other (boring), aliens (unlikely), or something innocent and overblown like weather balloons.
The more fun outcomes might be something like:
- These turn out to be surveillance craft sent up by a mad genius or private organisation that's been quietly plotting to a. zap people with lethal brainwaves then rule the world, or b. steal valuable technological secrets to make money
- A small country not otherwise known to be a geopolitical menace has decided to enter the espionage game. Say Tonga (quite convenient Pacific location), Guernsey or Uruguay.
- Someone with a huge amount of money is doing an excellent prank following a dare by his mates0 -
Do you have any evidence to support that supposition.Cookie said:
Not many pensioners (or anyone else, frankly, but put that aside) EAT £40 tacos. But as a segment of society, pensioners are better able to afford £40 tacos than any other age group. If they wanted to spend their money on that.malcolmg said:
One trick pony Max, especially given you could buy and sell multiple pensioners.MaxPB said:
Anything that requires diverting today's (and sadly tomorrow's) money away from old people is simply not going to get funded. The UK government now exists to shovel tax to them via pensions and healthcare, everything else is expendable, including education, industrial spending and eventually even defence spending.Nigelb said:
"Well run" is very definitely an example of begging the question. But nice try slipping it in there.BartholomewRoberts said:
The idea that we need to be in the EU for industry or due to an EU trade war with China, is as patently absurd as an argument that Singapore, South Korea and Taiwan need to join China for the same reason in reverse.FF43 said:
Given we have Brexited, and given the consequent disinvestment in the UK, what are the best/least bad bets for the UK at this point, for our niche industries?Nigelb said:The number of UK companies considering decamping is getting somewhat alarming.
British semiconductor bosses threaten to move overseas as U.S. and EU splurge on chips
https://www.cnbc.com/2023/02/13/uk-semiconductor-strategy-chip-firms-threaten-to-move-overseas.html
...In the U.S., President Joe Biden signed into law the CHIPS and Science Act, a $280 billion package that includes $52 billion of funding to boost domestic semiconductor manufacturing.
The EU, meanwhile, has earmarked 43 billion euros ($45.9 billion) for Europe’s semiconductor industry with the aim of producing 20% of the world’s semiconductors by 2030...
...The U.K. won’t have the kind of financial firepower to match those bold spending packages, they say. However, they’re hopeful the country will commit to investment in the several millions, tax incentives, and an easier immigration process for high-skilled workers...
...A U.K. semiconductor strategy was expected to come out last year. But it has faced a series of delays due to political instability. The government previously suggested establishing a national institution, among other initiatives, to boost its semiconductor industry.
“The rumors I’ve heard is [it may arrive] any day now,” Chris Ballance, co-founder of U.K. quantum computing startup Oxford Ionics, told CNBC. However, he added the process had been “going on for the last four or five months.”
Actually well run smaller independent countries like SK, Taiwan and Singapore tend to do much better than the bureaucratic behemothic bloc does.
British semiconductor bosses threaten to move overseas as U.S. and EU splurge on chips
https://www.cnbc.com/2023/02/13/uk-semiconductor-strategy-chip-firms-threaten-to-move-overseas.html
...In the U.S., President Joe Biden signed into law the CHIPS and Science Act, a $280 billion package that includes $52 billion of funding to boost domestic semiconductor manufacturing.
The EU, meanwhile, has earmarked 43 billion euros ($45.9 billion) for Europe’s semiconductor industry with the aim of producing 20% of the world’s semiconductors by 2030...
...The U.K. won’t have the kind of financial firepower to match those bold spending packages, they say. However, they’re hopeful the country will commit to investment in the several millions, tax incentives, and an easier immigration process for high-skilled workers...
...A U.K. semiconductor strategy was expected to come out last year. But it has faced a series of delays due to political instability. The government previously suggested establishing a national institution, among other initiatives, to boost its semiconductor industry.
“The rumors I’ve heard is [it may arrive] any day now,” Chris Ballance, co-founder of U.K. quantum computing startup Oxford Ionics, told CNBC. However, he added the process had been “going on for the last four or five months.”
Not many pensioners can afford £40 Taco's.1 -
Of course the other thing about UFO-gate is that it comes conveniently after that big report that came out last year which said that there were Things Flying Around We Cannot Explain.
If one was to ascribe ulterior motives to the US military (and I for one would not dare make such an assertion) then you could argue that making a big hoo-hah about weather balloons and perhaps - conveniently - suggesting that they might be more sinister, following on from That Big Report would perhaps encourage more public support for funding of said military. Just as a fanciful suggestion.0 -
Yes, this one calls for Roger Moore.WhisperingOracle said:
There is a James Bond villain type scenario, isn't there. I'm trying to picture which one ; Dr No was always the best performance, but this would be a more like the '80s Bond, with the airships, silicon valley and Grace Jones.TimS said:Trying to think what the most interesting outcome of this whole balloon thing would be. The options so far being China and America sending spy vehicles at each other (boring), aliens (unlikely), or something innocent and overblown like weather balloons.
The more fun outcomes might be something like:
- These turn out to be surveillance craft sent up by a mad genius or private organisation that's been quietly plotting to a. zap people with lethal brainwaves then rule the world, or b. steal valuable technological secrets to make money
- A small country not otherwise known to be a geopolitical menace has decided to enter the espionage game. Say Tonga (quite convenient Pacific location), Guernsey or Uruguay.
- Someone with a huge amount of money is doing an excellent prank following a dare by his mates0 -
On topic. I am hearing quite a few interesting rumours concerning several currently Tory seats where the Lib Dems are doing very well locally and yet which the polls do not show them taking nationally. It could be that the voters are still not moving, but equally it could be the pollsters are not picking up how effective Davey´s party can be on the ground.
I am thinking that come May we could see some big wins from the Yellows, and that, reminded of their existence, the voters may give them a stronger hearing. So what does the PB Hivemind think could be the upper or lower limits if the blues are seeing a big switch to the Lib Dems in wealthy, Remain positive, well educated seats?
Also, if the SNP tide is indeed now ebbing, where do their voters switch to? Could Lib Dems come through the middle to recover their former Highland and North East Scotland redoubt?1 -
Rather sidestepping Bart's point about the double standards on display.Nigelb said:
What's being talked about is hundreds of millions, not billions.BartholomewRoberts said:Its funny that people are bemoaning a lack of multibillion investments and just a few days/weeks ago the news was dominated by the oil and gas industry - an industry that manages multibillion investments routinely - and that sector was being bemoaned for not paying enough taxes apparently. Certainly not celebrated for making investments.
Having the right investment structure in place can be done by means other than writing a blank cheque.
No one thinks we can match the resources of the EU or US.1 -
My first Zoom meeting in zooming ages. All participants saying they've had connection problems. Something which Teams is increasingly free of...0
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This is just support anyone but England idiocy. My guess is if you asked if Scotland was more similar in land mass to England or Russia you'd get an SNP majority for Russiaalgarkirk said:
I suppose the thought of confirmation bias can be excluded? And why isn't there a 'North Korea' comparison? One party state; trade barrier with closest neighbour; our beloved leader.....StuartDickson said:Is Scotland similar to Scandinavian nations? SNP voters certainly think so...
🇳🇴,🇩🇰, 🇸🇪 ,🇮🇸 , 🇫🇮: 52-61% SNP say similar
🏴: 31%
...but voters for the major unionist parties disagree
🇳🇴,🇩🇰, 🇸🇪 ,🇮🇸 , 🇫🇮: 22-31% of Scot Con/Lab/LD say similar
🏴: 69%
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/international/articles-reports/2023/02/13/scotland-similar-scandinavian-nations0 -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fp4CR2HcHLQTimS said:
Yes, this one calls for Roger Moore.WhisperingOracle said:
There is a James Bond villain type scenario, isn't there. I'm trying to picture which one ; Dr No was always the best performance, but this would be a more like the '80s Bond, with the airships, silicon valley and Grace Jones.TimS said:Trying to think what the most interesting outcome of this whole balloon thing would be. The options so far being China and America sending spy vehicles at each other (boring), aliens (unlikely), or something innocent and overblown like weather balloons.
The more fun outcomes might be something like:
- These turn out to be surveillance craft sent up by a mad genius or private organisation that's been quietly plotting to a. zap people with lethal brainwaves then rule the world, or b. steal valuable technological secrets to make money
- A small country not otherwise known to be a geopolitical menace has decided to enter the espionage game. Say Tonga (quite convenient Pacific location), Guernsey or Uruguay.
- Someone with a huge amount of money is doing an excellent prank following a dare by his mates0 -
There were some PBers who really made themselves look like twats last year blaming Liverpool fans.
I might name and shame them tomorrow.
Uefa had ‘primary responsibility’ for Champions League final chaos, damning report finds
Uefa review says Liverpool and Real Madrid fans could have died
French police, football federation and ministers also criticised
Uefa bears “primary responsibility” for the catastrophic organisational and safety failures that turned last season’s Champions League final into a horrific, traumatic experience for thousands of supporters, Uefa’s own review has concluded.
That central finding, and alarming criticisms of the culture and operations at the confederation of European football, and of the French police, are made in a damning report produced by the panel Uefa appointed to review the chaos that engulfed the final between Liverpool and Real Madrid at the Stade de France in Paris last May.
At the report’s heart is a conclusion that Uefa has “marginalised” its own safety and security unit, headed by Zejlko Pavlica, a close friend of the Uefa president, Aleksander Ceferin, in their native Slovenia.
The report also strongly rejects claims made persistently by Uefa and the French police and government ministers, that thousands of Liverpool fans without valid tickets caused the problems. The report states that there is no evidence to support such claims, which were made in a “reprehensible” attempt by the authorities to avoid responsibility.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2023/feb/13/champions-league-final-report-uefa-primary-responsibility-chaos-paris-liverpool-real-madrid6 -
Always right Leon
Amazed the poo-flinging, beauty-hating, hymn-booing Scousers have embarrassed themselves again. Amazed
and later on
Must be a serious chance they call off the whole game. Idiot Liverpool twits0 -
Jon Tester is leading against all potential Republican nominees for Senate in 2024. That is massive for Democratic chances for keeping the chamber. It is a presidential year too, which helps Dem turnout.
If Sinema is also replaced by Gallego, there could be a filibuster-scrapping majority. Combined with a Dem House, that could mean statehood for DC and Puerto Rico, plus the passing of a new voter rights act that bans gerrymandering.0 -
The Führersonderzug
Putin started using an armored train
All because the plane can be easily tracked, but the train is not. The train travels at maximum speed and without stops. The train has a bedroom and office, as well as separate railcars for security escorts and special communications.
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It's a fair Kop!TheScreamingEagles said:Always right Leon
Amazed the poo-flinging, beauty-hating, hymn-booing Scousers have embarrassed themselves again. Amazed
and later on
Must be a serious chance they call off the whole game. Idiot Liverpool twits0 -
FPT @Sean_F
I viewed a pretty "woke" CEO treat a woman differently on Friday - interrupting her presentation and then shooing her off the stage when she'd finished, even though her presentation was rather good - whilst letting a rather boring man drone on earlier for 42 minutes (I timed it) without saying a word.
It irritated me to the extent I approached her after to say her presentation was the best, and then ranted to my wife about it when I got home.
I don't want identity politics and to be told how no-one cares what middle aged white men think (funnily enough this never seems to include them) but just have everyone treated with respect.9 -
This is the guy who wants us to take him seriously when he talks about anything.TheScreamingEagles said:Always right Leon
Amazed the poo-flinging, beauty-hating, hymn-booing Scousers have embarrassed themselves again. Amazed
and later on
Must be a serious chance they call off the whole game. Idiot Liverpool twits0 -
The Libs used to be in favour of greater devolution; IIRC to at least where we are now, whereas Labour were at best lukewarm and the Conservatives against.Cicero said:On topic. I am hearing quite a few interesting rumours concerning several currently Tory seats where the Lib Dems are doing very well locally and yet which the polls do not show them taking nationally. It could be that the voters are still not moving, but equally it could be the pollsters are not picking up how effective Davey´s party can be on the ground.
I am thinking that come May we could see some big wins from the Yellows, and that, reminded of their existence, the voters may give them a stronger hearing. So what does the PB Hivemind think could be the upper or lower limits if the blues are seeing a big switch to the Lib Dems in wealthy, Remain positive, well educated seats?
Also, if the SNP tide is indeed now ebbing, where do their voters switch to? Could Lib Dems come through the middle to recover their former Highland and North East Scotland redoubt?0 -
And doesn't fall from the sky.CarlottaVance said:The Führersonderzug
Putin started using an armored train
All because the plane can be easily tracked, but the train is not. The train travels at maximum speed and without stops. The train has a bedroom and office, as well as separate railcars for security escorts and special communications.
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Re; Sunil's link, I always thought that last Roger Moore film was a bit underrated. Alright, old Rog was getting a bit old, but it captured, somehow, that 'eighties zeitgeist more than the rest of those '80s Bond films, and had a great theme tune, too.1
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Well, the House won't vote to ban gerrymandering. Especially the dozen Dems who would lose seats in white majority states under race-blind maps.WillG said:Jon Tester is leading against all potential Republican nominees for Senate in 2024. That is massive for Democratic chances for keeping the chamber. It is a presidential year too, which helps Dem turnout.
If Sinema is also replaced by Gallego, there could be a filibuster-scrapping majority. Combined with a Dem House, that could mean statehood for DC and Puerto Rico, plus the passing of a new voter rights act that bans gerrymandering.0 -
The House has already voted to ban gerrymandering and would do again.EPG said:
Well, the House won't vote to ban gerrymandering. Especially the dozen Dems who would lose seats in white majority states under race-blind maps.WillG said:Jon Tester is leading against all potential Republican nominees for Senate in 2024. That is massive for Democratic chances for keeping the chamber. It is a presidential year too, which helps Dem turnout.
If Sinema is also replaced by Gallego, there could be a filibuster-scrapping majority. Combined with a Dem House, that could mean statehood for DC and Puerto Rico, plus the passing of a new voter rights act that bans gerrymandering.0 -
One rather naive colleague of mine said, at the end of a very productive meeting, 'I'm lucky to have such a great bunch of tools as you to make this all work.'CarlottaVance said:Oh dear…..
Explaining why everyone stared at him was - interesting...0 -
Well, it's not comic sans so much as sans comic.Malmesbury said:
This thread is full of wing dings.Nigelb said:
A bold statement.Ghedebrav said:
You're avenir laugh.williamglenn said:
Downloading it is cheaper than using a courier.Ghedebrav said:Years ago, I had to write a procurement business case to download a font (seriously).
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