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  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,340

    I agree it can't be a free for all, no country would do that. And I accept that while I would personally have limits in order to prevent a race to the bottom in low skilled wages, we'd probably have to have even more restrictions than I personally favour as I'm fully aware that I'm more liberal on these things than most people are.
    I thought EU freedom of movement was good because it struck a decent balance between freedom and limits, most notably in restricting it to countries with broadly similar levels of income and culture, and it was completely reciprocal. Obviously lots of people felt differently.
    I still think that fundamentally migration is a natural part of human existence and that this obsession with borders and nationhood is a bit of a dead end. I hope that one day in the distant future we will live in a world without borders. Again, I'm aware that this is a minority view.
    So your comments were just worthless virtue-signalling. Thought so
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,978
    edited November 2022

    Read the ERS link I posted, there's more options for older voters than there is for younger voters, do you think that's acceptable?
    There are more constraints too, as is pointed out above.

  • EPGEPG Posts: 6,729
    The point is that there is no need for voter ID, it will just increase the number of likely Labour voters who get denied a vote on the day.
  • WillGWillG Posts: 2,366
    EPG said:

    Well, almost everyone is a net cost to the taxpayer over a lifetime, including the average doctor, engineer and banker, depending on how many kids they have. (Albeit PB comments seems to contain a disproportionate share of six-figure folks.)
    That's not true. Government spending per person is about 10k. You have to be earning about 40k a year to pay that much in income tax. Of course there will be years you don't pay as much tax post retirement, and there are other taxes like NI and VAT, but the overall number comes out around a similar point.
  • Read the ERS link I posted, there's more options for older voters than there is for younger voters, do you think that's acceptable?
    We should introduce passport checks for ALL Oyster cards to correct this terrible wrong
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,515
    ...

    Actually no, it isn't.
    No it's not. But a few candidates besides Trump would fit the description.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,353
    edited November 2022
    Andy_JS said:

    We simply do not need ID for voting in this country.

    Too late.

    I think a lot of people probably don't see what the big deal is about ID for voting, so long as what qualifies as ID is sufficiently wide so as not to clearly penalise people who are less likely to have, say, a passport or driver's licence.

    But like the issue of general ID cards, ID for voting seemed a solution looking for a problem to me. The goverment would argue precaution no doubt, but was there proof of a issue which this would solve? How big an issue, and was this a proportionate approach?

    The other problem for them is a policy which might look benign when you are ahead in the polls can look sinister when you are well behind, as an attempt to eke out any advantage you can find.
  • EPGEPG Posts: 6,729
    A modest proposal: on polling day, voters should be made to pass rigorous eye tests to ensure that they can see the ballot and memory tests to ensure they know what they are voting for.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 18,466
    Andy_JS said:

    We simply do not need ID for voting in this country.

    I kind of agree, but I would say either the polling card OR you prove who you are. Fair compromise?
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 18,466
    Andy_JS said:

    Sweden didn't colonise much, and they've got plenty of immigrants.
    Apart from half of what is now England, although it was a fair time ago…
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,353

    Apart from half of what is now England, although it was a fair time ago…
    The Swedelaw?
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,184

    ...

    No it's not. But a few candidates besides Trump would fit the description.
    You appreciate that Trump and election-denier Lake pose a serious threat to US democracy?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,340
    WillG said:

    Unless Trump flounces from the GOP and just announces his own party.

    Though the idea Kari Lake is plausible is laughable. She's a loon.
    She's plausible enough to have come from nowhere, taken the GOP Arizona primary, and now come within inches of being Arizona governor


    She is definitely "plausible"

    I can't think of a better fit as a VP candidate for Trump

    He has a big problem with women voters
  • EPGEPG Posts: 6,729
    WillG said:

    That's not true. Government spending per person is about 10k. You have to be earning about 40k a year to pay that much in income tax. Of course there will be years you don't pay as much tax post retirement, and there are other taxes like NI and VAT, but the overall number comes out around a similar point.
    That is true of workers, but you spend circa half your life as an infant, learner or pensioner, and plenty of people raise kids full-time or take early retirement, especially the ones who would have paid lots more taxes prior to 65. So if you are on 60k for 30 years and have a long retirement, it's probably a net win.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 18,466
    kle4 said:

    The Swedelaw?
    Those Scandiwegians are all the same.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 18,466
    kle4 said:

    The Swedelaw?
    Brings to mind the cabbage plains near Ankh-Morpork.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,353
    edited November 2022
    Leon said:

    She's plausible enough to have come from nowhere, taken the GOP Arizona primary, and now come within inches of being Arizona governor


    She is definitely "plausible"

    I can't think of a better fit as a VP candidate for Trump

    He has a big problem with women voters
    He needs a winner though, not someone to do rabble rousing - he's already good at that. Who brings him something like Pence presumably brought evangelicals?

    After all, 'within inches of being Arizona governor' is not much of a cv when the Republicans won by 14, 12 and 12, in the last three gubernatorials there.

    I do love the word gubernatorial.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,550
    Leon said:

    A Trump Lake ticket makes total sense for both of them

    It revives her nearly dead-on-arrival political career

    It softens Trump with a telegenic, articulate
    and plausible woman who can probably sell Trumpism better than him

    I wouldn’t write them entirely off. Unfortunately

    "unfortunately" - lol
  • RazedabodeRazedabode Posts: 3,097
    The Tories are done. The majority of my generation are fed up of being shafted for Pensioners. That’s it, basically
  • stodgestodge Posts: 14,398
    EPG said:

    The point is that there is no need for voter ID, it will just increase the number of likely Labour voters who get denied a vote on the day.

    Now, that's just being cynical. Who could possibly think this is a form of voter suppression aimed at those not voting Conservative?

    It is, by any measure, a sledgehammer to crack the tiniest of nuts. Have there been instances of electoral fraud? Yes, and many of them around postal and proxy votes rather than personation (vote early and often) or anything else. One might argue banning postal and proxy votes would be the way forward but that seems not to be in favour and there are sound reasons why.

    Perhaps a more rigorous approach to the verification of postal and proxy votes is the way forward especially in those areas where a problem has ben shown to exist.
  • novanova Posts: 748
    edited November 2022
    EPG said:

    That is true of workers, but you spend circa half your life as an infant, learner or pensioner, and plenty of people raise kids full-time or take early retirement, especially the ones who would have paid lots more taxes prior to 65. So if you are on 60k for 30 years and have a long retirement, it's probably a net win.
    As a worker you're also indirectly responsible for plenty of other taxes. Obvious ones like VAT that you pay yourself. but also an employee would have employer's NI, and there are hell of a lot of businesses paying corporation tax that wouldn't be generated money without the labour of the people who work in them, or without people paying for services etc.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,340
    kinabalu said:

    "unfortunately" - lol
    I know it pleasures you to think I am a secret Trumpite Nazi, but I sincerely do not want Trump to win - with Lake or not. And if he chooses Lake I reckon that increases his chances, which is bad

    I don't want Woke Dems to win either, at all, but Trump is the nearer and larger danger

    Ron De Santis, please. Anti-woke, but patriotic, sound on Putin and not insane
  • The Tories are done. The majority of my generation are fed up of being shafted for Pensioners. That’s it, basically

    As a pensioner I have long called for the end of the triple lock but it seems it is the policy of all the parties to retain it
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,353
    I'm not a fan of young people either, but I do know old people like this.

    Older Britons often seem to think young people aren't buying houses and settling down because they're having massive amounts of fun that their generation never did - but when they actually think about it it amounts to buying coffee and using a tumbledryer.

    https://twitter.com/BDSixsmith/status/1593242142394449920?cxt=HHwWgIDUqbDSqpwsAAAA
  • stodgestodge Posts: 14,398

    I have two thoughts on this.
    (1) Ludicrous that one form of Oyster card is valid and one not. Even if it’s not deliberately done to favour older voters, it sure gives that impression.
    (2) What’s an Oyster card?*

    * Ok, I know what one is, but, like the vast majority of the country, don’t live in fecking London, you self obsessed wankers…
    Yes, yes, you don't live in London - most people don't.

    There's nothing stopping other towns and cities implementing a similar policy if they wished.
  • ManchesterKurtManchesterKurt Posts: 925
    edited November 2022
    ....
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,317
    stodge said:

    Yes, yes, you don't live in London - most people don't.

    There's nothing stopping other towns and cities implementing a similar policy if they wished.
    I’m guessing that below a certain population size it just isn’t worth the investment to have your own distinct system.
  • moonshinemoonshine Posts: 5,814
    edited November 2022
    Tonight I learnt that old people still use Oyster Cards.
  • Andy_JS said:

    The word "tranny" used to be short for transistor radio in Australia. You can hear it being used if you watch Prisoner Cell Block H for instance.
    I once saw a crossword clue -
    TV or radio (6)
  • I wonder if Labour will outflank the Tories by offering a tax cut to workers at the next GE.
  • novanova Posts: 748
    stodge said:

    Yes, yes, you don't live in London - most people don't.

    There's nothing stopping other towns and cities implementing a similar policy if they wished.
    The equivalent passes are allowed as valid forms of ID. So, outside London there are freedom passes, over 60s bus passes etc.

    In fact, the list is chock full of passes for people who are over 60, but things like student/uni passes, strangely aren't allowed.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 18,466
    kle4 said:

    I'm not a fan of young people either, but I do know old people like this.

    Older Britons often seem to think young people aren't buying houses and settling down because they're having massive amounts of fun that their generation never did - but when they actually think about it it amounts to buying coffee and using a tumbledryer.

    https://twitter.com/BDSixsmith/status/1593242142394449920?cxt=HHwWgIDUqbDSqpwsAAAA

    I think a lot of older people think this, but don’t appreciate the gulf between ‘have a few more instant coffees rather than going to that expensive coffee house’ and the sheer scale of money now needed to get on the housing market.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 18,466
    stodge said:

    Yes, yes, you don't live in London - most people don't.

    There's nothing stopping other towns and cities implementing a similar policy if they wished.
    In Warminster? What would they use it on?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,353
    RobD said:

    I’m guessing that below a certain population size it just isn’t worth the investment to have your own distinct system.
    The solution is simple - turn market towns into large cities.
  • pingping Posts: 3,805
    edited November 2022
    I’m in favour of retaining a reasonable pension. The triple lock should go, though. Increase it with earnings, only. And tax income above the basic pension level more aggressively.

    I’m fine with wealth/asset/property taxes, too.

    Our housing stock of family homes should be occupied by families with kids 0-18, mainly. It’s absurd for people to retain their “family home” for many decades after their family moves out. And then use their political power to veto new family homes being built in their area.

    I recon, once the tories finally get kicked out, the political power of todays wealthy pensioners will dwindle. They’ve had their cake and eaten it. The next Tory voter coalition will be solidly centred on tax cuts for workers.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,340
    Is @IshmaelZ banned again? What did he do?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,317
    kle4 said:

    The solution is simple - turn market towns into large cities.
    Or make the Oyster scheme nationwide for all forms of public transport.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,795

    With bluetooth I never touch my phone whilst driving but a few years ago I was nearly knocked

    by a woman who lighting her cigarette whilst driving.
    I saw a girl putting on lipstick while driving on the M25 the other day. Not sure what the law says on that.

  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,353

    I think a lot of older people think this, but don’t appreciate the gulf between ‘have a few more instant coffees rather than going to that expensive coffee house’ and the sheer scale of money now needed to get on the housing market.
    See also 'they have smart phones!' (also applied to refugees). When smartphones are a) very useful (unless you are AndyJS), b) can be reasonably cheap.
  • EPGEPG Posts: 6,729
    nova said:

    As a worker you're also indirectly responsible for plenty of other taxes. Obvious ones like VAT that you pay yourself. but also an employee would have employer's NI, and there are hell of a lot of businesses paying corporation tax that wouldn't be generated money without the labour of the people who work in them, or without people paying for services etc.
    This is true, but if the average person were a net taxpayer and high earners also put it much more than they got out, there would be a big permanent budget surplus. That's not the case, though, because of big items like pensions, NHS, and the education budget, where the average person ends up getting five-figure sums per year, free at point of use, for a lot of their lives. So the point of immigration policy can't be to increase the number of net taxpayers, because that's a solved problem (just soak the top 20% again).
  • kle4 said:

    I'm not a fan of young people either, but I do know old people like this.

    Older Britons often seem to think young people aren't buying houses and settling down because they're having massive amounts of fun that their generation never did - but when they actually think about it it amounts to buying coffee and using a tumbledryer.

    https://twitter.com/BDSixsmith/status/1593242142394449920?cxt=HHwWgIDUqbDSqpwsAAAA

    Funnily enough, the young people I know (including myself) don't tend to use tumbledryers because they don't tend to buy their own white goods and if they do, a washer is usually cheaper.
  • Leon said:

    Is @IshmaelZ banned again? What did he do?

    @Ishmael_Z (with underscore) banned yesterday, apparently, for traducing a member of the British Polling Council.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,667
    Interesting website - try the quiz! I scored 2 and 3 on my two attempts. The theme may be of general interest to us here... https://www.wearepolesapart.com/
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 18,466
    Leon said:

    Is @IshmaelZ banned again? What did he do?

    Looked like he was implying some pollsters were not honest, from the posts leading up to the banning. Not wise.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,132
    edited November 2022
    kle4 said:
    Old people, according to polling, are obscenely selfish. As a class they pretty much beyond the pale, like the Junkers of Prussia.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,340

    Looked like he was implying some pollsters were not honest, from the posts leading up to the banning. Not wise.
    Ah, OK. Yes that's a clear banning offence

    Hope he returns tho. I like his waspish outlook, even if he oversteps when pissed as a duke
  • novanova Posts: 748
    EPG said:

    This is true, but if the average person were a net taxpayer and high earners also put it much more than they got out, there would be a big permanent budget surplus. That's not the case, though, because of big items like pensions, NHS, and the education budget, where the average person ends up getting five-figure sums per year, free at point of use, for a lot of their lives. So the point of immigration policy can't be to increase the number of net taxpayers, because that's a solved problem (just soak the top 20% again).
    I'd be interested to see if someone has actually worked this all out, because I can't think of many businesses that don't ultimately need people to generate money.

    I suspect we'd have to get rid of all the workers and then see how much tax the top 20% actually generate independently. Can you think of many examples?
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 13,849
    nova said:

    The equivalent passes are allowed as valid forms of ID. So, outside London there are freedom passes, over 60s bus passes etc.

    In fact, the list is chock full of passes for people who are over 60, but things like student/uni passes, strangely aren't allowed.
    Shocking. And fails to address the real problem which is the failure to check the security of postal voting.

  • maxhmaxh Posts: 1,573
    edited November 2022
    Deleted - realised I was replying to old, old post
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,972


    (2) What’s an Oyster card?*

    It’s your passport to a world that is expensive and hard to get in to…..
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 37,693
    IanB2 said:

    Did Tugendhat really stand to become the PM knowing that he was about to be hit with a driving ban? *brave*.

    As PM he would never have to drive anywhere.

    Ideal!
  • kle4 said:

    See also 'they have smart phones!' (also applied to refugees). When smartphones are a) very useful (unless you are AndyJS), b) can be reasonably cheap.
    I passed a nail bar in town today and noticed five young ladies shoulder-to-shoulder having their nails buffed by another five young ladies. How can the chancellor crack down on this sort of futile economic activity in favour of bricklaying?
  • glwglw Posts: 10,315
    RobD said:

    Answering my own question, the 60+ one requires proof of your passport, whereas the 18+ one only requires you to upload a photo. It's easy to see why one is accepted and one is not.
    Exactly it's an entirely logical reason, not some weird conspiracy.
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  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,795

    I have two thoughts on this.
    (1) Ludicrous that one form of Oyster card is valid and one not. Even if it’s not deliberately done to favour older voters, it sure gives that impression.
    (2) What’s an Oyster card?*

    * Ok, I know what one is, but, like the vast majority of the country, don’t live in fecking London, you self obsessed wankers…
    *
    NOBODY USES OYSTER CARDS IN LONDON, even if they live in London.

    Cashless via any known bank card works the same way so there is absolutely no point whatsoever in having an Oyster.

  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,972
    EPG said:

    A modest proposal: on polling day, voters should be made to pass rigorous eye tests to ensure that they can see the ballot and memory tests to ensure they know what they are voting for.

    Test their short-term memory by asking if they know who is the prime minister?
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,767
    Boebert's lead just fell by about 400. Now 746.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,886

    Interesting website - try the quiz! I scored 2 and 3 on my two attempts. The theme may be of general interest to us here... https://www.wearepolesapart.com/

    Three for me. Votes based on feeling not logic. May have some bearing on this ID thing. If people "feel" it is an attempt to suppress the vote it may backfire.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,097

    NOBODY USES OYSTER CARDS IN LONDON, even if they live in London.

    Cashless via any known bank card works the same way so there is absolutely no point whatsoever in having an Oyster.

    Cough.

    What about people over the age of 60?
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,617

    In Warminster? What would they use it on?
    The FV432s parked outside the School of Infantry. (Warriors and Mastiffs, rather, now, probably.)
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,097
    MikeL said:

    Boebert's lead just fell by about 400. Now 746.

    Please let her lose.
  • kle4 said:

    The Swedelaw?
    Ran as far as Gretna. After that was the law of the turnip.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,162

    NOBODY USES OYSTER CARDS IN LONDON, even if they live in London.

    Cashless via any known bank card works the same way so there is absolutely no point whatsoever in having an Oyster.

    Geoff Marshall does. The number one Tube geek.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,972

    I saw a girl putting on lipstick while driving on the M25 the other day. Not sure what the law says on that.

    I’m pretty sure it says you should have been keeping your eyes on the road?
  • UK health officials investigating possible Ebola case in Colchester - Telegraph

    Time to nuke Essex, it’s the only way to be sure.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 18,466

    Interesting website - try the quiz! I scored 2 and 3 on my two attempts. The theme may be of general interest to us here... https://www.wearepolesapart.com/

    Having tried the quiz (once - not wasting my time again) I think that was rather obvious. Pick some voters who have voted against the natural vote for their overall views and then amaze (!) people trying to guess how they voted or would vote.
    A bit like putting the spot the ball ball in the wrong place on purpose.
  • EPGEPG Posts: 6,729

    Interesting website - try the quiz! I scored 2 and 3 on my two attempts. The theme may be of general interest to us here... https://www.wearepolesapart.com/

    I don't quite get it - it seems to be drawn at random, but without knowing whether the information is chosen at random or specifically to be counter-intuitive, it's hard to tell if it's quite representative or just centrist scolds lecturing the reader against Bayes' Theorem.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,795

    I wonder if Labour will outflank the Tories by offering a tax cut to workers at the next GE.

    They should.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,886
    Surely the way around not having ID is to simply apply for a postal vote?
    I did during the pandemic. Got a permanent one, no questions asked, no reason required.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,129

    NOBODY USES OYSTER CARDS IN LONDON, even if they live in London.

    Cashless via any known bank card works the same way so there is absolutely no point whatsoever in having an Oyster.

    With contactless, the world’s your lobster.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,442
    edited November 2022
    The SNP is trying to quell a coup in its Westminster group after an MP from the 2019 intake launched an attempt to oust Ian Blackford as leader.

    Stephen Flynn, the Aberdeen South MP and energy spokesman, has informed senior party officials of his intention to lead the group in the Commons, The Times has been told.

    His supporters said it became apparent at around lunchtime today that he had the backing of enough MPs to win any potential contest, which triggered his decision to challenge.

    He subsequently told Ian McCann, the party’s compliance officer, that he would put his name forward at next month’s annual general meeting of the Westminster group.

    Blackford’s allies were trying to persuade Flynn, 34, to back out and disputed the claim that he commanded majority support among MPs.


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/stephen-flynn-launches-bid-to-oust-ian-blackford-as-snp-westminster-leader-g9qvwx23g


  • glwglw Posts: 10,315

    NOBODY USES OYSTER CARDS IN LONDON, even if they live in London.

    Cashless via any known bank card works the same way so there is absolutely no point whatsoever in having an Oyster.

    In 2021 they still made up about a third of journeys. So nobody is a large exaggeration.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,617
    IanB2 said:

    Test their short-term memory by asking if they know who is the prime minister?
    Bit unfair these days. Same with the Queen, etc.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,795
    rcs1000 said:

    Cough.

    What about people over the age of 60?
    IanB2 said:

    I’m pretty sure it says you should have been keeping your eyes on the road?
    I was in the passenger seat
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,162
    kle4 said:

    See also 'they have smart phones!' (also applied to refugees). When smartphones are a) very useful (unless you are AndyJS), b) can be reasonably cheap.
    I still think smartphones are rubbish.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 19,138

    I wonder if Labour will outflank the Tories by offering a tax cut to workers at the next GE.

    Minimum wage (£10.42) * 30 hours per week * 52 weeks (assuming paid holidays) = £16,255.20 - so you could see a promise to increase the personal allowance, and thereby cut tax for everyone earning under £100k, being an attractive proposition, if you can work out how to pay for it.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,886
    edited November 2022
    Outside London in England you get a bus pass when you reach State Pension age.
    Not at 60.
    You also can't use that pass before 9am. Never have.
    Hence old people known as "twirlies".
    (Am I too early? = I'm a twirly in Scouse).
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,795
    glw said:

    In 2021 they still made up about a third of journeys. So nobody is a large exaggeration.
    Well then there are many idiots / provincial people who don’t realise that they are completely unnecessary. All you need is a phone. Don’t even need a bank card.
  • XtrainXtrain Posts: 341
    glw said:

    In 2021 they still made up about a third of journeys. So nobody is a large exaggeration.
    If you get a discounted rate that is applied to your oyster it's def worth using it. Staff and retired staff get this.
  • OllyTOllyT Posts: 5,027

    No, the economic turds were built up by your mate the Chancellor from 2020 to 2022 and his predecessors over the 10 years before that. The fact that with one quick squeeze of his bowels his successor finally blocked the toilet for 3 weeks this Autumn is neither here nor there.

    Truss and Kwarteng enacted virtually no measures of lasting effect apart from the NI reduction, which is just about the only thing of their legacy to survive after today. What they did do though was to remove the rose tinted spectacles from the markets' eyes, so that they're finally taking a more critical look and recognising the UK economy as the basket case it's become over the long term.
    The legacy of the brief Truss/Kwarteng period has been to fix the idea in the minds of many voters that the mess we are in now is down to Tory incompetence.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 14,398

    NOBODY USES OYSTER CARDS IN LONDON, even if they live in London.

    Cashless via any known bank card works the same way so there is absolutely no point whatsoever in having an Oyster.

    There's a generalisation if there ever was one. Older people use them, younger people use them. Those who pay also use bank cards and phones I'll freely admit but I'd venture there are still a lot of Oyster cards in use every day.

    Those who don't pay (or choose not to pay) have their own methods of getting through the barriers.

    When the revenue protection team and British Transport Police visit East Ham, they always seem to get a good haul of (mainly younger male) offenders.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,353
    Huge news of change from an establishment holdout! (It is actually for a good reason)

    Female competitors at Wimbledon will be allowed to wear dark-coloured undershorts from next year.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/63666684
  • Leon said:

    Ah, OK. Yes that's a clear banning offence

    Hope he returns tho. I like his waspish outlook, even if he oversteps when pissed as a duke
    God, I don't. The nastiest most personal and unpleasant poster on here, IMHO, and a bully.

    He should have been permanently banned long ago.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 18,466
    Carnyx said:

    The FV432s parked outside the School of Infantry. (Warriors and Mastiffs, rather, now, probably.)
    I wish! That would be awesome. Best we get is the vintage bus ride to Imber once a year (past lots of dead tanks on the ranges).
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,617

    Erik the Viking says Hi!
    Erik the Red? Not to mention his son Leif.
  • NOBODY USES OYSTER CARDS IN LONDON, even if they live in London.



    I do.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,617
    Carnyx said:

    Erik the Red? Not to mention his son Leif.
    In any case, what about all this 'Northmen' stuff in, erm, Normandy, Iceland, Rus, and so on?
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,795
    They should close all ticket stations on the Tube as paper tickets are even stupider and equally as pointless as Oysters. I mean, it’s not even possible to pay cash on a bus (rightly).
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,353
    OllyT said:

    The legacy of the brief Truss/Kwarteng period has been to fix the idea in the minds of many voters that the mess we are in now is down to Tory incompetence.
    Yes, there are non-Tory reasons for some of the huge mess we are in (even though they have been in power a long time), but their actions (and apparently cluelessness as to our problems) leading to their own ousting makes it pretty reasonable for people to assume it all down to the party.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 37,693
    'Part-mandarin, part-mortician, Hunt delivered his statement in the tone of a dad breaking the news to his child that their pet hamster died over the summer holidays' | Writes @Madz_Grant

    Read more ⤵️
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/11/17/undertaker-jeremy-hunt-breaks-bad-news-economy-sir-humphrey/?utm_content=politics&utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1668708548-2
  • EPGEPG Posts: 6,729
    nova said:

    I'd be interested to see if someone has actually worked this all out, because I can't think of many businesses that don't ultimately need people to generate money.

    I suspect we'd have to get rid of all the workers and then see how much tax the top 20% actually generate independently. Can you think of many examples?
    Needless to say, businesses are taxed on their profits (efficiency in delivering services) and not incomes (amount of services delivered). But you have hit on the real reason why rich countries want immigration. Not for net tax revenues directly, which they can raise pretty rapidly, but to increase aggregate demand and labour supply in general. It happens that recent immigration demographically reduces other workers' tax bills, but that's not the most important point.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 19,138
    ping said:

    Oooh. I’ve found myself a paper to read via Google;

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4780611/

    Unfortunately, I don’t understand at least half of the words that they’re using. But I think it disagrees with @LostPassword

    Me being an idiot and not studying any science beyond GCSE means that I have absolutely no idea who is right. But I do feel like I’m learning something. Maybe.

    Such a shame when such an attractive theory is destroyed by evidence!
  • kle4 said:

    Huge news of change from an establishment holdout! (It is actually for a good reason)

    Female competitors at Wimbledon will be allowed to wear dark-coloured undershorts from next year.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/63666684

    Agree mainly, but ‘undershorts’ is terrible.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,795

    I do.
    Why? You can just use your phone (unless you get free travel for some reason - in which case fine, but that’s not relevant to my point. For Joe Public, Oysters are pointless clutter)

  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,886

    They should close all ticket stations on the Tube as paper tickets are even stupider and equally as pointless as Oysters. I mean, it’s not even possible to pay cash on a bus (rightly).

    Strangely. I see folk paying cash every day.
  • Shadsy:

    Hooray! The @FiveThirtyEight World Cup model has arrived.

    Gamblers mostly like to laugh at their sports output, but as it happens most of their tournament win probabilities are very close to the betting market estimates this time around.


    https://twitter.com/shadsy/status/1592982504478474240?s=46&t=7acgFT8LWBCLjHRc_hSA4g

    England 7% chance?
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,795

    God, I don't. The nastiest most personal and unpleasant poster on here, IMHO, and a bully.

    He should have been permanently banned long ago.
    In fairness he had reined that in a fair bit recently. But, I know what you mean.
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