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If he came back cos the rampers convinced him he had the numbers, only to find he doesn't, that is a happy thought...Leon said:For his own sake, let alone the country, he should give up
He looked fine and happy in the Antiguan sun. He looks 97 and seriously unwell there
Enough. Back Down, Boris0 -
That was what I was driving at. Chop up minorities into too small interest groups and all you’re back to is “everyone is an individual so treat them the same”, which doesn’t advance anyone’s cause.Foxy said:
Everyone is a minority of one, hence an individual.biggles said:
Once everyone is a minority, no one is.Leon said:Difficult to know if this is spoof or real. I’m going with “real”
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We are at the horseshoe point.
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The Badenoch move to Sunak is very encouraging as it leaves somewhat more of a rump of the diehards who may now be properly marginalised within the party. A Sunak leadership could continue the excellent start made by Hunt in restoring the nation's economic credibility. Of course none of it altars the fact that we are broke but that is a reality for many other countries in Europe right now and it is also clear that Labour has this reality to face after the next election which will limit the damage they can do. It's possible, not certain, but possible that a massive landslide can be avoided. That is very good for politics. One bonus of the Labour revival in Scotland is that it may be very bad news for the SNP and Independence. Either way interesting times ahead.1
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Rishi will offer Boris a minor job?AlistairM said:
Is that for Rishi to tell Boris where to go?Scott_xP said:NEW: Johnson and Sunak are due to meet
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/is-the-tide-going-out-on-boris-johnsons-comeback-x5xb6vj8b0 -
Boris seems to be collapsing on Betfair now.1
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A special envoy to the Ukraine is the blindingly obvious job. Tasked with trying to ensure other nations don't get bored of helping out and giving his fellow comedian a visit from time to time. He can then mix all that travel in with doing some nice paid speaking gigs (and it keeps him away from parliament causing trouble). Win win win.logical_song said:
Rishi will offer Boris a minor job?AlistairM said:
Is that for Rishi to tell Boris where to go?Scott_xP said:NEW: Johnson and Sunak are due to meet
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/is-the-tide-going-out-on-boris-johnsons-comeback-x5xb6vj8b1 -
The fuck shouldn't get a job (non or otherwise) and should be left to rot in Uxbridge. So that he either quits, or gets turfed out by Labour at the next election.IanB2 said:
The real question, if he doesn’t run, is what Johnson would want?Scott_xP said:
Boris Johnson claimsIanB2 said:It remains my view that Johnson isn’t going to run.
His behaviour is peculiar, but no doubt motivated by a desire to make Sunak’s life as uncomfortable as he can for as long as he can, and perhaps to extract concessions.
There are three possibilities as to where we are now:
- he has (or is confident he will get) 100 nominations and intends to run
- ditto, but he doesn’t intend to run
- he doesn’t have the 100 nominations
I am struggling to see that his current behaviour is compatible with the first? The most you could say is that perhaps he is still deciding between the first and the second. But my money’s on the second or third.
-No rules were broken
-It was a work event
-£350m a week for NHS
-Brexit will bring prosperity
-40 new hospitals
-What Russian money?
-I did not lie to Commons
-I’ve got 100 backers
https://twitter.com/paul__johnson/status/1583863346755162112
Some non-job allowing him to posture on the world stage re. Ukraine?
Promise of a safe seat somewhere, whose unlucky constituents will never see him?
What else could he want?3 -
Scott_xP said:
"Politics is a blood sport," said Truss as she told staff she was standing down. "And I'm the fox..." The gory inside story of a tumultuous week in British politics which brought down the UK's 56th prime minister...
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/is-the-tide-going-out-on-boris-johnsons-comeback-x5xb6vj8b
Fucking hell.7 -
Off topic, but some of you are interested in the the approaching US mid-term elections: It is possible that Trump will do something in the weeks before the election that will screw up Republican chances even more than he already has. I see no way of putting odds on that without consluting psychiatrists who have studied narcissistic personalities, but I think anyone betting on the US mid-term elections should think about that possibility.
(Could he surprise on the up side, too? So far I can't think of a way he could, but perhaps I just don't have enough imagination.)0 -
Why? Why does this person’s view matter? Why should we believe the anecdote? What is the agenda here? We live in a world where, because of social media, people seem to think that all views carry equal weight. They don’t.Scott_xP said:This is significant
Co-author of last Tory manifesto says new PM (whoever clinches the mantle) should call a general election within 6 months
https://twitter.com/racheljanetwolf/status/1583871198987194368
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Lol im proudly out as unlabeled and here is my flag denoting such.Leon said:Difficult to know if this is spoof or real. I’m going with “real”
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There’s a perfectly good job for him doing after dinner speeches for £150k a pop. If I were him that’s what I’d do. And he’s quite good at it.pigeon said:
The fuck shouldn't get a job (non or otherwise) and should be left to rot in Uxbridge. So that he either quits, or gets turfed out by Labour at the next election.IanB2 said:
The real question, if he doesn’t run, is what Johnson would want?Scott_xP said:
Boris Johnson claimsIanB2 said:It remains my view that Johnson isn’t going to run.
His behaviour is peculiar, but no doubt motivated by a desire to make Sunak’s life as uncomfortable as he can for as long as he can, and perhaps to extract concessions.
There are three possibilities as to where we are now:
- he has (or is confident he will get) 100 nominations and intends to run
- ditto, but he doesn’t intend to run
- he doesn’t have the 100 nominations
I am struggling to see that his current behaviour is compatible with the first? The most you could say is that perhaps he is still deciding between the first and the second. But my money’s on the second or third.
-No rules were broken
-It was a work event
-£350m a week for NHS
-Brexit will bring prosperity
-40 new hospitals
-What Russian money?
-I did not lie to Commons
-I’ve got 100 backers
https://twitter.com/paul__johnson/status/1583863346755162112
Some non-job allowing him to posture on the world stage re. Ukraine?
Promise of a safe seat somewhere, whose unlucky constituents will never see him?
What else could he want?0 -
What's weird about these things is how quickly momentum shifts. When his plane landed it was with Boris. Then it became clear even close allies were urging him not to stand. Then we had the "100 names" boost. Now an MP tells me "the word is he's going to back Rishi".
https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/15838770751693373490 -
He doesn't live in Uxbridge,pigeon said:
The fuck shouldn't get a job (non or otherwise) and should be left to rot in Uxbridge. So that he either quits, or gets turfed out by Labour at the next election.IanB2 said:
The real question, if he doesn’t run, is what Johnson would want?Scott_xP said:
Boris Johnson claimsIanB2 said:It remains my view that Johnson isn’t going to run.
His behaviour is peculiar, but no doubt motivated by a desire to make Sunak’s life as uncomfortable as he can for as long as he can, and perhaps to extract concessions.
There are three possibilities as to where we are now:
- he has (or is confident he will get) 100 nominations and intends to run
- ditto, but he doesn’t intend to run
- he doesn’t have the 100 nominations
I am struggling to see that his current behaviour is compatible with the first? The most you could say is that perhaps he is still deciding between the first and the second. But my money’s on the second or third.
-No rules were broken
-It was a work event
-£350m a week for NHS
-Brexit will bring prosperity
-40 new hospitals
-What Russian money?
-I did not lie to Commons
-I’ve got 100 backers
https://twitter.com/paul__johnson/status/1583863346755162112
Some non-job allowing him to posture on the world stage re. Ukraine?
Promise of a safe seat somewhere, whose unlucky constituents will never see him?
What else could he want?2 -
Buying the lettuce might have been more realistic.Dura_Ace said:Scott_xP said:"Politics is a blood sport," said Truss as she told staff she was standing down. "And I'm the fox..." The gory inside story of a tumultuous week in British politics which brought down the UK's 56th prime minister...
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/is-the-tide-going-out-on-boris-johnsons-comeback-x5xb6vj8b
Fucking hell.1 -
Isn't he homeless at the moment and relying on sofa surfing?Omnium said:
He doesn't live in Uxbridge,pigeon said:
The fuck shouldn't get a job (non or otherwise) and should be left to rot in Uxbridge. So that he either quits, or gets turfed out by Labour at the next election.IanB2 said:
The real question, if he doesn’t run, is what Johnson would want?Scott_xP said:
Boris Johnson claimsIanB2 said:It remains my view that Johnson isn’t going to run.
His behaviour is peculiar, but no doubt motivated by a desire to make Sunak’s life as uncomfortable as he can for as long as he can, and perhaps to extract concessions.
There are three possibilities as to where we are now:
- he has (or is confident he will get) 100 nominations and intends to run
- ditto, but he doesn’t intend to run
- he doesn’t have the 100 nominations
I am struggling to see that his current behaviour is compatible with the first? The most you could say is that perhaps he is still deciding between the first and the second. But my money’s on the second or third.
-No rules were broken
-It was a work event
-£350m a week for NHS
-Brexit will bring prosperity
-40 new hospitals
-What Russian money?
-I did not lie to Commons
-I’ve got 100 backers
https://twitter.com/paul__johnson/status/1583863346755162112
Some non-job allowing him to posture on the world stage re. Ukraine?
Promise of a safe seat somewhere, whose unlucky constituents will never see him?
What else could he want?0 -
There's a new Microsoft design coming that wall also incorporate Unlabeled, so you won't feel underrepresented for long.wooliedyed said:
Lol im proudly out as unlabeled and here is my flag denoting such.Leon said:Difficult to know if this is spoof or real. I’m going with “real”
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Guido Fawkes now has Johnson on 73 - just been nominated by Ben Bradley.0
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A rabbit in the headlights?boulay said:
She’s even more deluded than I thought if she thinks she’s a fox.Scott_xP said:"Politics is a blood sport," said Truss as she told staff she was standing down. "And I'm the fox..." The gory inside story of a tumultuous week in British politics which brought down the UK's 56th prime minister...
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/is-the-tide-going-out-on-boris-johnsons-comeback-x5xb6vj8b0 -
Eventually students will get a "real" graduate tax, and it will likely cost them more.FrancisUrquhart said:
Student loans aren't a personal debt problem, as they aren't really a loan in the traditional sense and if you lose your job / don't earn much, you don't pay.Beibheirli_C said:
The country is addicted to buying things on tick. Student Loans next up for the "What do we do with this mountain of debt" crisis?FrancisUrquhart said:Why Britain’s debt-fuelled new car addiction is coming to an end
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/consumer-affairs/why-britains-debt-fuelled-new-car-addiction-coming-end/
I always thought this was another disaster waiting to happen.
As has been said numerous times by the likes of Mr Money Saving Expert, they are really a capped graduate tax and ultimately the state will have to pick up the unpaid debt (also I imagine inflation isn't a bad thing on this front as it is inflating away the real value of this debt).
So it will be a problem for all of us eventually, but it isn't on a personal level in the way having a car on tick is.1 -
@DavidDavisMP
I'm backing Rishi Sunak to be the next Prime Minister.
Rishi has the capability, the intellect, and the skills to navigate the many challenges this country is facing.1 -
If Sunak gets the nod he could win during the honeymoon. Not so sure about Bozza.Scott_xP said:This is significant
Co-author of last Tory manifesto says new PM (whoever clinches the mantle) should call a general election within 6 months
https://twitter.com/racheljanetwolf/status/15838711989871943680 -
He'll probably have a more luxurious night's sleep than you or I will. We'll have the better of it though.FrancisUrquhart said:
Isn't he homeless at the moment and relying on sofa surfing?Omnium said:
He doesn't live in Uxbridge,pigeon said:
The fuck shouldn't get a job (non or otherwise) and should be left to rot in Uxbridge. So that he either quits, or gets turfed out by Labour at the next election.IanB2 said:
The real question, if he doesn’t run, is what Johnson would want?Scott_xP said:
Boris Johnson claimsIanB2 said:It remains my view that Johnson isn’t going to run.
His behaviour is peculiar, but no doubt motivated by a desire to make Sunak’s life as uncomfortable as he can for as long as he can, and perhaps to extract concessions.
There are three possibilities as to where we are now:
- he has (or is confident he will get) 100 nominations and intends to run
- ditto, but he doesn’t intend to run
- he doesn’t have the 100 nominations
I am struggling to see that his current behaviour is compatible with the first? The most you could say is that perhaps he is still deciding between the first and the second. But my money’s on the second or third.
-No rules were broken
-It was a work event
-£350m a week for NHS
-Brexit will bring prosperity
-40 new hospitals
-What Russian money?
-I did not lie to Commons
-I’ve got 100 backers
https://twitter.com/paul__johnson/status/1583863346755162112
Some non-job allowing him to posture on the world stage re. Ukraine?
Promise of a safe seat somewhere, whose unlucky constituents will never see him?
What else could he want?0 -
Which one do you want me and you to be with your mama in the Isle of Wight, big boy?IanB2 said:
Our Casino’s going to have to get a wriggle on if he wants to have one of each…Leon said:Difficult to know if this is spoof or real. I’m going with “real”
“This flag combines 40 different flags from LGBTQIA+ communities around the world, including: Abrosexual, Aceflux, Agender, Ambiamorous, Androgynous, Aroace, Aroflux, Aromantic, Asexual, Bigender, Bisexual, Demifluid, Demigender, Demigirl, Demiromantic, Demisexual, Gay/MLM/Vinician, Genderfluid, Genderflux, Genderqueer, Gender questioning, Graysexual, Intersex, Lesbian, Maverique, Neutrois, Nonbinary, Omnisexual, Pangender, Pansexual, Polyamorous, Polysexual, Transgender, Trigender, Two Spirit, Progress Pride, Queer, Unlabeled.”0 -
I'd be amazed if DD came out for Boris, after his 'In the name of God go' pronouncements.HYUFD said:@DavidDavisMP
I'm backing Rishi Sunak to be the next Prime Minister.
Rishi has the capability, the intellect, and the skills to navigate the many challenges this country is facing.0 -
He has 43 hours left.barrykenna said:Guido Fawkes now has Johnson on 73 - just been nominated by Ben Bradley.
Still nowhere near the noms.1 -
Tbh i gave up when i saw the tiktok of the bird telling me how to use frog pronounsrcs1000 said:
There's a new Microsoft design coming that wall also incorporate Unlabeled, so you won't feel underrepresented for long.wooliedyed said:
Lol im proudly out as unlabeled and here is my flag denoting such.Leon said:Difficult to know if this is spoof or real. I’m going with “real”
“This flag combines 40 different flags from LGBTQIA+ communities around the world, including: Abrosexual, Aceflux, Agender, Ambiamorous, Androgynous, Aroace, Aroflux, Aromantic, Asexual, Bigender, Bisexual, Demifluid, Demigender, Demigirl, Demiromantic, Demisexual, Gay/MLM/Vinician, Genderfluid, Genderflux, Genderqueer, Gender questioning, Graysexual, Intersex, Lesbian, Maverique, Neutrois, Nonbinary, Omnisexual, Pangender, Pansexual, Polyamorous, Polysexual, Transgender, Trigender, Two Spirit, Progress Pride, Queer, Unlabeled.”0 -
Are we sure that these thoughts from Davis are current? I think it's quite likely that they relate to the previous leadership election.HYUFD said:@DavidDavisMP
I'm backing Rishi Sunak to be the next Prime Minister.
Rishi has the capability, the intellect, and the skills to navigate the many challenges this country is facing.0 -
I don't know about that, I don't have two toddlers and an annoying wife disturbing my luxury....and I live very comfortably.Omnium said:
He'll probably have a more luxurious night's sleep than you or I will. We'll have the better of it though.FrancisUrquhart said:
Isn't he homeless at the moment and relying on sofa surfing?Omnium said:
He doesn't live in Uxbridge,pigeon said:
The fuck shouldn't get a job (non or otherwise) and should be left to rot in Uxbridge. So that he either quits, or gets turfed out by Labour at the next election.IanB2 said:
The real question, if he doesn’t run, is what Johnson would want?Scott_xP said:
Boris Johnson claimsIanB2 said:It remains my view that Johnson isn’t going to run.
His behaviour is peculiar, but no doubt motivated by a desire to make Sunak’s life as uncomfortable as he can for as long as he can, and perhaps to extract concessions.
There are three possibilities as to where we are now:
- he has (or is confident he will get) 100 nominations and intends to run
- ditto, but he doesn’t intend to run
- he doesn’t have the 100 nominations
I am struggling to see that his current behaviour is compatible with the first? The most you could say is that perhaps he is still deciding between the first and the second. But my money’s on the second or third.
-No rules were broken
-It was a work event
-£350m a week for NHS
-Brexit will bring prosperity
-40 new hospitals
-What Russian money?
-I did not lie to Commons
-I’ve got 100 backers
https://twitter.com/paul__johnson/status/1583863346755162112
Some non-job allowing him to posture on the world stage re. Ukraine?
Promise of a safe seat somewhere, whose unlucky constituents will never see him?
What else could he want?0 -
People backing Johnson are trashing their credibility if they had any. And backing Mordaunt looks a cop out. So this is the correct move by Badenoch imo. Bet she didn't have to agonize too much.Scott_xP said:NEW: Badenoch comes out to endorse Sunak. First full current cabinet member to back him and a huge win for him given that Badenoch a key figure on the right of the party
https://twitter.com/BethRigby/status/15838673493287485443 -
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Starting to doubt the Boris numbers. I'm hearing at least three of his votes are Grant Shapps.
https://twitter.com/timothy_stanley/status/158387667988943257610 -
My view is that it is likely there will be a polling error, and it is like to be quite significant, and that it is likely to be in one direction... we just don't know which way yet.Jim_Miller said:Off topic, but some of you are interested in the the approaching US mid-term elections: It is possible that Trump will do something in the weeks before the election that will screw up Republican chances even more than he already has. I see no way of putting odds on that without consluting psychiatrists who have studied narcissistic personalities, but I think anyone betting on the US mid-term elections should think about that possibility.
(Could he surprise on the up side, too? So far I can't think of a way he could, but perhaps I just don't have enough imagination.)
I would therefore look therefore to bet on the Republicans on 46 or 47 seats (44 and 14.5 on Betfair Exchange).
For the Dems (given the two existing Independents who caucus with them), the corresponding bets are probably 44 and 45. I.e., we're betting that someone's going to lose three or four seats, net.
I'd reckon there's a 40% chance that one of the two parties substantially outperforms, and while it's probably the Republicans, the value is in those edge bets.0 -
It has Zero significance mateScott_xP said:This is significant
Co-author of last Tory manifesto says new PM (whoever clinches the mantle) should call a general election within 6 months
https://twitter.com/racheljanetwolf/status/15838711989871943685 -
'And he likes big boobs like me. Yum yum.'HYUFD said:@DavidDavisMP
I'm backing Rishi Sunak to be the next Prime Minister.
Rishi has the capability, the intellect, and the skills to navigate the many challenges this country is facing.0 -
“everyone is an individual so treat them the same” sounds good to me.biggles said:
That was what I was driving at. Chop up minorities into too small interest groups and all you’re back to is “everyone is an individual so treat them the same”, which doesn’t advance anyone’s cause.Foxy said:
Everyone is a minority of one, hence an individual.biggles said:
Once everyone is a minority, no one is.Leon said:Difficult to know if this is spoof or real. I’m going with “real”
“This flag combines 40 different flags from LGBTQIA+ communities around the world, including: Abrosexual, Aceflux, Agender, Ambiamorous, Androgynous, Aroace, Aroflux, Aromantic, Asexual, Bigender, Bisexual, Demifluid, Demigender, Demigirl, Demiromantic, Demisexual, Gay/MLM/Vinician, Genderfluid, Genderflux, Genderqueer, Gender questioning, Graysexual, Intersex, Lesbian, Maverique, Neutrois, Nonbinary, Omnisexual, Pangender, Pansexual, Polyamorous, Polysexual, Transgender, Trigender, Two Spirit, Progress Pride, Queer, Unlabeled.”
We are at the horseshoe point.1 -
Robert Peston
@Peston
...there seems to be a mood, a trend, among Tory MPs to prevent the contest going to a members’ vote. Because it is only Tory members who…
could carry Johnson back into Number 10
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We'll soon see if this ages well.1 -
Grant Shapps, Michael Green and...CarlottaVance said:Starting to doubt the Boris numbers. I'm hearing at least three of his votes are Grant Shapps.
https://twitter.com/timothy_stanley/status/15838766798894325760 -
..barrykenna said:Guido Fawkes now has Johnson on 73 - just been nominated by Ben Bradley.
Latest factored up to 347 votes
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Big job in exchange.kinabalu said:
People backing Johnson are trashing their credibility if they had any. And backing Mordaunt looks a cop out. So this is the correct move by Badenoch imo. Bet she didn't have to agonize too much.Scott_xP said:NEW: Badenoch comes out to endorse Sunak. First full current cabinet member to back him and a huge win for him given that Badenoch a key figure on the right of the party
https://twitter.com/BethRigby/status/1583867349328748544
Likely to be LOTO in 2025.
Smart move.
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Including a whopping 16 who Paul Staines assures us exist but cannot possibly be named (compared with four anonymous MPs for Sunak & three for Mordaunt). I'm starting to think he isn't even close.barrykenna said:Guido Fawkes now has Johnson on 73 - just been nominated by Ben Bradley.
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That would be a very bad idea. He'd make all sorts of unauthorised promises which Ben Wallace would have to row back on.FrancisUrquhart said:
A special envoy to the Ukraine is the blindingly obvious job. Tasked with trying to ensure other nations don't get bored of helping out and giving his fellow comedian a visit from time to time. He can then mix all that travel in with doing some nice paid speaking gigs (and it keeps him away from parliament causing trouble). Win win win.logical_song said:
Rishi will offer Boris a minor job?AlistairM said:
Is that for Rishi to tell Boris where to go?Scott_xP said:NEW: Johnson and Sunak are due to meet
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/is-the-tide-going-out-on-boris-johnsons-comeback-x5xb6vj8b3 -
Isn’t the real story about @BorisJohnson today that he still doesn’t have 100 MPs prepared to say publicly that they support him; he didn’t getNigelb said:Boris and his supporters aren’t known for their slavish adherence to the truth.
Is it possible that the liars are lying about 100 nominations for the liar ?
get the endorsement of the Conservative papers & he hasn’t got the support of old allies like Charles Moore & @DavidGHFrost?
https://twitter.com/bbcnickrobinson/status/15838576408361902082 -
The old interview with Nick Robinson that’s on BBC Sounds is well worth a listen. She comes across as being great fun, although not someone you would put in charge.Mexicanpete said:
A rabbit in the headlights?boulay said:
She’s even more deluded than I thought if she thinks she’s a fox.Scott_xP said:"Politics is a blood sport," said Truss as she told staff she was standing down. "And I'm the fox..." The gory inside story of a tumultuous week in British politics which brought down the UK's 56th prime minister...
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/is-the-tide-going-out-on-boris-johnsons-comeback-x5xb6vj8b1 -
The headline figure is given as 73, but there are only 57 names.Casino_Royale said:
He has 43 hours left.barrykenna said:Guido Fawkes now has Johnson on 73 - just been nominated by Ben Bradley.
Still nowhere near the noms.
Guido says that because of their position they have to remain publicly neutral. But he has verified them.
Question: If they have to remain publicly neutral, can they nominate a candidate?1 -
Has Granita reopened???
Laura Kuenssberg
@bbclaurak
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As Kemi Badenoch comes out for Sunak, which is a big symbolic endorsement, I hear the 2 men, Johnson and Sunak were due to meet a couple of hours ago, face to face - meeting was pushed back for reasons unclear, but could still go ahead later1 -
There is a male skew with him, I think. I'm planning to watch this one with MY wife and I'm interested to see if she likes it. She doesn't know of him so it's clean sheet.OnlyLivingBoy said:
I saw him perform it live, he really is very funny but certainly isn't to everyone's taste, my wife doesn't find him funny at all. I doubt there is any comedian that appeals to everyone, humour is rather subjective.kinabalu said:
Oh come on. Lee is a comedy modern great. In fact I've earmarked "Snowflake" to watch tomorrow night and I'll need a plastic sheet on the sofa just in case.FrancisUrquhart said:
I have the same feeling after my mates tell me I have to absolutely see a clip of Stewart Lee....kinabalu said:
If he's funny and cheering how come I always feel irritated and a bit down in the dumps after I've seen him on tv?Leon said:
Yes. Boris is risky at a time of worldwide maximum risk. He’s funny and cheering but we no longer desire to be amused, or cheered, we want to avoid world war and make it through winter and not lose our homes due to soaring mortgage rateswooliedyed said:
I suspect thats the feedback Boris is getting. 'Sit this one out, biggus'Leon said:
It’s not my thinking at all. It’s someone trying to get inside the thoughts of sane Tory MPs, and trying to deduce why they might go for Boris, despite all the past evidence and the inevitable issues aheadAlistair said:
This is just your Liz Truss thinking reheated.Leon said:Good thread on why Boris might yet win. Basically: the Tories are almost certainly fucked, they need a miracle. Boris is the kind of guy who will probably implode but might just provide a miracle. Sunak won’t do either of these things
“If I was a Conservative MP (which, thank the Lord I'm not, Sir) I would be tempted to vote for Boris Johnson.
I wouldn't do it because I thought he had "changed", or because I thought he was a great electoral asset - because I'm not mad…”
https://twitter.com/philipjcowley/status/1583811111593611264?s=46&t=rNw_mLeyC2GOdxfHP8RVGQ
Makes sense to me
Personally, I reckon Sunak has got this. The country yearns for an end to the panto and I suspect Tory members do too. So even if boris made the run off he’d lose
It's not as if I'm usually that way. I like a laugh and a joke as much as the next man.1 -
Is Patel the only "big" name he's got on board today?SirNorfolkPassmore said:
Including a whopping 16 who Paul Staines assures us exist but cannot possibly be named (compared with four anonymous MPs for Sunak & three for Mordaunt). I'm starting to think he isn't even close.barrykenna said:Guido Fawkes now has Johnson on 73 - just been nominated by Ben Bradley.
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Corinne Stockheath and Sebastian Fox….make that four….Mexicanpete said:
Grant Shapps, Michael Green and...CarlottaVance said:Starting to doubt the Boris numbers. I'm hearing at least three of his votes are Grant Shapps.
https://twitter.com/timothy_stanley/status/1583876679889432576
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Leon probably has a decent head start.IanB2 said:
Our Casino’s going to have to get a wriggle on if he wants to have one of each…Leon said:Difficult to know if this is spoof or real. I’m going with “real”
“This flag combines 40 different flags from LGBTQIA+ communities around the world, including: Abrosexual, Aceflux, Agender, Ambiamorous, Androgynous, Aroace, Aroflux, Aromantic, Asexual, Bigender, Bisexual, Demifluid, Demigender, Demigirl, Demiromantic, Demisexual, Gay/MLM/Vinician, Genderfluid, Genderflux, Genderqueer, Gender questioning, Graysexual, Intersex, Lesbian, Maverique, Neutrois, Nonbinary, Omnisexual, Pangender, Pansexual, Polyamorous, Polysexual, Transgender, Trigender, Two Spirit, Progress Pride, Queer, Unlabeled.”0 -
No, just tweeted by Davis this afternoon and remember last time Davis was a Mordaunt supporter originallyOmnium said:
Are we sure that these thoughts from Davis are current? I think it's quite likely that they relate to the previous leadership election.HYUFD said:@DavidDavisMP
I'm backing Rishi Sunak to be the next Prime Minister.
Rishi has the capability, the intellect, and the skills to navigate the many challenges this country is facing.
https://twitter.com/DavidDavisMP/status/1583858354035691521?s=20&t=W7HJgajVpnOoxM7Xlv9jBQ0 -
Not sure. If the Conservatives lose narrowly next time, there's a good case for the incumbent to continue having pulled it back from the brink of a wipeout. If they lose badly, the MPs who are out are likely to be red wall MPs who tend to be more favourable to Johnson. I'm not saying there's no way back for him, but I'd not see it as likely.rottenborough said:
Big job in exchange.kinabalu said:
People backing Johnson are trashing their credibility if they had any. And backing Mordaunt looks a cop out. So this is the correct move by Badenoch imo. Bet she didn't have to agonize too much.Scott_xP said:NEW: Badenoch comes out to endorse Sunak. First full current cabinet member to back him and a huge win for him given that Badenoch a key figure on the right of the party
https://twitter.com/BethRigby/status/1583867349328748544
Likely to be LOTO in 2025.
Smart move.1 -
The show I saw was like a centrist dad convention. I went to see him with another forty something bloke and we had a great time.kinabalu said:
There is a male skew with him, I think. I'm planning to watch this one with MY wife and I'm interested to see if she likes it. She doesn't know of him so it's clean sheet.OnlyLivingBoy said:
I saw him perform it live, he really is very funny but certainly isn't to everyone's taste, my wife doesn't find him funny at all. I doubt there is any comedian that appeals to everyone, humour is rather subjective.kinabalu said:
Oh come on. Lee is a comedy modern great. In fact I've earmarked "Snowflake" to watch tomorrow night and I'll need a plastic sheet on the sofa just in case.FrancisUrquhart said:
I have the same feeling after my mates tell me I have to absolutely see a clip of Stewart Lee....kinabalu said:
If he's funny and cheering how come I always feel irritated and a bit down in the dumps after I've seen him on tv?Leon said:
Yes. Boris is risky at a time of worldwide maximum risk. He’s funny and cheering but we no longer desire to be amused, or cheered, we want to avoid world war and make it through winter and not lose our homes due to soaring mortgage rateswooliedyed said:
I suspect thats the feedback Boris is getting. 'Sit this one out, biggus'Leon said:
It’s not my thinking at all. It’s someone trying to get inside the thoughts of sane Tory MPs, and trying to deduce why they might go for Boris, despite all the past evidence and the inevitable issues aheadAlistair said:
This is just your Liz Truss thinking reheated.Leon said:Good thread on why Boris might yet win. Basically: the Tories are almost certainly fucked, they need a miracle. Boris is the kind of guy who will probably implode but might just provide a miracle. Sunak won’t do either of these things
“If I was a Conservative MP (which, thank the Lord I'm not, Sir) I would be tempted to vote for Boris Johnson.
I wouldn't do it because I thought he had "changed", or because I thought he was a great electoral asset - because I'm not mad…”
https://twitter.com/philipjcowley/status/1583811111593611264?s=46&t=rNw_mLeyC2GOdxfHP8RVGQ
Makes sense to me
Personally, I reckon Sunak has got this. The country yearns for an end to the panto and I suspect Tory members do too. So even if boris made the run off he’d lose
It's not as if I'm usually that way. I like a laugh and a joke as much as the next man.1 -
Dan Hodges says he has been told Boris is backing Rishi
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What's weird about these things is how quickly momentum shifts. When his plane landed it was with Boris. Then it became clear even close allies were urging him not to stand. Then we had the "100 names" boost. Now an MP tells me "the word is he's going to back Rishi"0 -
Good god! I must find out who the manufacturer was of the cattle prod.HYUFD said:
No, just tweeted by Davis this afternoon and remember last time Davis was a Mordaunt supporter originallyOmnium said:
Are we sure that these thoughts from Davis are current? I think it's quite likely that they relate to the previous leadership election.HYUFD said:@DavidDavisMP
I'm backing Rishi Sunak to be the next Prime Minister.
Rishi has the capability, the intellect, and the skills to navigate the many challenges this country is facing.
https://twitter.com/DavidDavisMP/status/1583858354035691521?s=20&t=W7HJgajVpnOoxM7Xlv9jBQ1 -
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He was v slimy in his Fist of Fun days.kinabalu said:
There is a male skew with him, I think. I'm planning to watch this one with MY wife and I'm interested to see if she likes it. She doesn't know of him so it's clean sheet.OnlyLivingBoy said:
I saw him perform it live, he really is very funny but certainly isn't to everyone's taste, my wife doesn't find him funny at all. I doubt there is any comedian that appeals to everyone, humour is rather subjective.kinabalu said:
Oh come on. Lee is a comedy modern great. In fact I've earmarked "Snowflake" to watch tomorrow night and I'll need a plastic sheet on the sofa just in case.FrancisUrquhart said:
I have the same feeling after my mates tell me I have to absolutely see a clip of Stewart Lee....kinabalu said:
If he's funny and cheering how come I always feel irritated and a bit down in the dumps after I've seen him on tv?Leon said:
Yes. Boris is risky at a time of worldwide maximum risk. He’s funny and cheering but we no longer desire to be amused, or cheered, we want to avoid world war and make it through winter and not lose our homes due to soaring mortgage rateswooliedyed said:
I suspect thats the feedback Boris is getting. 'Sit this one out, biggus'Leon said:
It’s not my thinking at all. It’s someone trying to get inside the thoughts of sane Tory MPs, and trying to deduce why they might go for Boris, despite all the past evidence and the inevitable issues aheadAlistair said:
This is just your Liz Truss thinking reheated.Leon said:Good thread on why Boris might yet win. Basically: the Tories are almost certainly fucked, they need a miracle. Boris is the kind of guy who will probably implode but might just provide a miracle. Sunak won’t do either of these things
“If I was a Conservative MP (which, thank the Lord I'm not, Sir) I would be tempted to vote for Boris Johnson.
I wouldn't do it because I thought he had "changed", or because I thought he was a great electoral asset - because I'm not mad…”
https://twitter.com/philipjcowley/status/1583811111593611264?s=46&t=rNw_mLeyC2GOdxfHP8RVGQ
Makes sense to me
Personally, I reckon Sunak has got this. The country yearns for an end to the panto and I suspect Tory members do too. So even if boris made the run off he’d lose
It's not as if I'm usually that way. I like a laugh and a joke as much as the next man.1 -
Changes in named supporters since overnight:
Rishi +29
Boris +5
Penny +21 -
A miner job? Pack him off underground during daylight hours?logical_song said:
Rishi will offer Boris a minor job?AlistairM said:
Is that for Rishi to tell Boris where to go?Scott_xP said:NEW: Johnson and Sunak are due to meet
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/is-the-tide-going-out-on-boris-johnsons-comeback-x5xb6vj8b0 -
Am thinking that the most serious type of 45 faux pas, would have to be one (or more) that would significantly dismay his core supporters and depress their turnout. Which across US is being disproportionately cast, compared with Democrats, on Election Day, instead of early via mail or early voting.Jim_Miller said:Off topic, but some of you are interested in the the approaching US mid-term elections: It is possible that Trump will do something in the weeks before the election that will screw up Republican chances even more than he already has. I see no way of putting odds on that without consluting psychiatrists who have studied narcissistic personalities, but I think anyone betting on the US mid-term elections should think about that possibility.
(Could he surprise on the up side, too? So far I can't think of a way he could, but perhaps I just don't have enough imagination.)
So an Early November surprise by Trump prior to ED (Nov. 8) would tend to have greater impact on his base vote, including many whose turnout outside presidential years is NOT robust.
Interesting, in surveys I've seen (admittedly from decade or more ago) major reason why voters said they returned their mail ballots later rather than sooner, was because they were afraid that IF they voted earlier, there would be some late-breaking development that would have changed their voting decision.
So impact of late news will likely be heightened among SERIOUSLY conflicted super-swing voters as well.0 -
The key number for Boris isn't 100, it's 119. If he gets fewer than 119 then RS and PM can share their true backers for nominations, leaving Boris third and having to drop out.
This assumes 100% Penny-to-Rishi and vice versa STVing.0 -
If so, you heard it from me first, yesterday. Johnson isn’t going to run.bigjohnowls said:Dan Hodges says he has been told Boris is backing Rishi
(((Dan Hodges)))
@DPJHodges
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What's weird about these things is how quickly momentum shifts. When his plane landed it was with Boris. Then it became clear even close allies were urging him not to stand. Then we had the "100 names" boost. Now an MP tells me "the word is he's going to back Rishi"0 -
Still good odds on Rishi given the payday will be Monday0
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I’m needing to buy a “new” second hand car (no point in paying forecourt premium).MarqueeMark said:
I was thinking of those cars that get handed back..... Balloon payments will make no sense if the second-hand market craters.FrancisUrquhart said:
If you are interested in a decent new car, leasing always seems like a much better option. Just get a new lease every couple of years, never really pay any servicing and just hand it back get a new one.MarqueeMark said:
Give it a year and there will be a glut of nice cars going for buttons....FrancisUrquhart said:Why Britain’s debt-fuelled new car addiction is coming to an end
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/consumer-affairs/why-britains-debt-fuelled-new-car-addiction-coming-end/
I always thought this was another disaster waiting to happen.
Why would I want to pay a balloon payment 2-3 years down the line for a car I have thrashed around and only get worse....when I can get a new shiny one (and pay less per month for leasing). Its not like in general a car is an investment that will increase in value.
When will the market subside…?
(And any suggestions?)
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Jeez, it's the bloody hope that kills you.
I need to start on a second IPA.
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As long as there are no walls higher than 24 inchesHYUFD said:@DavidDavisMP
I'm backing Rishi Sunak to be the next Prime Minister.
Rishi has the capability, the intellect, and the skills to navigate the many challenges.0 -
Yes a killer. Me and - would you believe - Leon both have it as top 10 ever comedy routines.IanB2 said:
His piece about Paul Nuttall of the UKIPs and immigration is an absolute classic.kinabalu said:
Oh come on. Lee is a comedy modern great. In fact I've earmarked "Snowflake" to watch tomorrow night and I'll need a plastic sheet on the sofa just in case.FrancisUrquhart said:
I have the same feeling after my mates tell me I have to absolutely see a clip of Stewart Lee....kinabalu said:
If he's funny and cheering how come I always feel irritated and a bit down in the dumps after I've seen him on tv?Leon said:
Yes. Boris is risky at a time of worldwide maximum risk. He’s funny and cheering but we no longer desire to be amused, or cheered, we want to avoid world war and make it through winter and not lose our homes due to soaring mortgage rateswooliedyed said:
I suspect thats the feedback Boris is getting. 'Sit this one out, biggus'Leon said:
It’s not my thinking at all. It’s someone trying to get inside the thoughts of sane Tory MPs, and trying to deduce why they might go for Boris, despite all the past evidence and the inevitable issues aheadAlistair said:
This is just your Liz Truss thinking reheated.Leon said:Good thread on why Boris might yet win. Basically: the Tories are almost certainly fucked, they need a miracle. Boris is the kind of guy who will probably implode but might just provide a miracle. Sunak won’t do either of these things
“If I was a Conservative MP (which, thank the Lord I'm not, Sir) I would be tempted to vote for Boris Johnson.
I wouldn't do it because I thought he had "changed", or because I thought he was a great electoral asset - because I'm not mad…”
https://twitter.com/philipjcowley/status/1583811111593611264?s=46&t=rNw_mLeyC2GOdxfHP8RVGQ
Makes sense to me
Personally, I reckon Sunak has got this. The country yearns for an end to the panto and I suspect Tory members do too. So even if boris made the run off he’d lose
It's not as if I'm usually that way. I like a laugh and a joke as much as the next man.0 -
I wonder whether this Johnson/Sunak meeting will happen?
The feeling I'm getting is Sunak is pushing it into the long grass as it looks increasingly unlikely he will need to offer Johnson anything. The 100 MP ramping earlier appears to have backfired rather badly - looked rather desperate.0 -
Is Rishi necessarily such a dud in the redwall?
He was an original Brexiteer.
He can talk about regulatory divergence whereas Labour will want to keep the status quo in preparation for rejoinig the single market.
He has a northern England seat.
He can talk about race/immigration/patriotism without it offending people.
He plans to boost capital investment paid for by corporation tax rises.1 -
How do they differ from toad and newt ones, then?wooliedyed said:
Tbh i gave up when i saw the tiktok of the bird telling me how to use frog pronounsrcs1000 said:
There's a new Microsoft design coming that wall also incorporate Unlabeled, so you won't feel underrepresented for long.wooliedyed said:
Lol im proudly out as unlabeled and here is my flag denoting such.Leon said:Difficult to know if this is spoof or real. I’m going with “real”
“This flag combines 40 different flags from LGBTQIA+ communities around the world, including: Abrosexual, Aceflux, Agender, Ambiamorous, Androgynous, Aroace, Aroflux, Aromantic, Asexual, Bigender, Bisexual, Demifluid, Demigender, Demigirl, Demiromantic, Demisexual, Gay/MLM/Vinician, Genderfluid, Genderflux, Genderqueer, Gender questioning, Graysexual, Intersex, Lesbian, Maverique, Neutrois, Nonbinary, Omnisexual, Pangender, Pansexual, Polyamorous, Polysexual, Transgender, Trigender, Two Spirit, Progress Pride, Queer, Unlabeled.”0 -
In fact a middle aged woman seeks man with a gsoh and can help propel her in a wheelchair.bigjohnowls said:
Best not be Mrs BJ1 -
This is the kind of thing that gives Woke a bad name. Also giving me a headache looking at it.pigeon said:
It's a load of absolute bullcrap. The alphabet soup acronym is meaningless (and so, I suspect, are most of these individual terms: either complete waffle or numerous different ways of describing precisely the same thing.)Leon said:Difficult to know if this is spoof or real. I’m going with “real”
“This flag combines 40 different flags from LGBTQIA+ communities around the world, including: Abrosexual, Aceflux, Agender, Ambiamorous, Androgynous, Aroace, Aroflux, Aromantic, Asexual, Bigender, Bisexual, Demifluid, Demigender, Demigirl, Demiromantic, Demisexual, Gay/MLM/Vinician, Genderfluid, Genderflux, Genderqueer, Gender questioning, Graysexual, Intersex, Lesbian, Maverique, Neutrois, Nonbinary, Omnisexual, Pangender, Pansexual, Polyamorous, Polysexual, Transgender, Trigender, Two Spirit, Progress Pride, Queer, Unlabeled.”
For the avoidance of doubt, I am gay. A homosexual male. Why I've suddenly been described by some clueless dolt at a software house as "Gay/MLM/Vinician" Christ only knows. What is a Vinician anyway? It sounds like one of the non-recurring baddies from 1970s Doctor Who.
I mean, just, enough already.
Though worth noting, that is homage to the graphic, cultural and above all vexillological influence to the Union Flag aka Union Jack, in particular pattern of stripes at complementary angles radiating from central point.
Also worth pointing out, there IS such as thing, as too much of a good thing.2 -
True but in that one he's also somewhat self-deprecating right?kinabalu said:
Yes a killer. Me and - would you believe - Leon both have it as top 10 ever comedy routines.IanB2 said:
His piece about Paul Nuttall of the UKIPs and immigration is an absolute classic.kinabalu said:
Oh come on. Lee is a comedy modern great. In fact I've earmarked "Snowflake" to watch tomorrow night and I'll need a plastic sheet on the sofa just in case.FrancisUrquhart said:
I have the same feeling after my mates tell me I have to absolutely see a clip of Stewart Lee....kinabalu said:
If he's funny and cheering how come I always feel irritated and a bit down in the dumps after I've seen him on tv?Leon said:
Yes. Boris is risky at a time of worldwide maximum risk. He’s funny and cheering but we no longer desire to be amused, or cheered, we want to avoid world war and make it through winter and not lose our homes due to soaring mortgage rateswooliedyed said:
I suspect thats the feedback Boris is getting. 'Sit this one out, biggus'Leon said:
It’s not my thinking at all. It’s someone trying to get inside the thoughts of sane Tory MPs, and trying to deduce why they might go for Boris, despite all the past evidence and the inevitable issues aheadAlistair said:
This is just your Liz Truss thinking reheated.Leon said:Good thread on why Boris might yet win. Basically: the Tories are almost certainly fucked, they need a miracle. Boris is the kind of guy who will probably implode but might just provide a miracle. Sunak won’t do either of these things
“If I was a Conservative MP (which, thank the Lord I'm not, Sir) I would be tempted to vote for Boris Johnson.
I wouldn't do it because I thought he had "changed", or because I thought he was a great electoral asset - because I'm not mad…”
https://twitter.com/philipjcowley/status/1583811111593611264?s=46&t=rNw_mLeyC2GOdxfHP8RVGQ
Makes sense to me
Personally, I reckon Sunak has got this. The country yearns for an end to the panto and I suspect Tory members do too. So even if boris made the run off he’d lose
It's not as if I'm usually that way. I like a laugh and a joke as much as the next man.1 -
Get Boris on board and that means you don't have to worry about a late charge by Braverman.SirNorfolkPassmore said:I wonder whether this Johnson/Sunak meeting will happen?
The feeling I'm getting is Sunak is pushing it into the long grass as it looks increasingly unlikely he will need to offer Johnson anything. The 100 MP ramping earlier appears to have backfired rather badly - looked rather desperate.1 -
Sunak will almost certainly become leader and PM now, he has 114 declared Conservative MPs nominating him, more than Johnson on 50 and Mordaunt on 22 combined and already over the 100 nomination threshold required with more backing him all the time.SirNorfolkPassmore said:I wonder whether this Johnson/Sunak meeting will happen?
The feeling I'm getting is Sunak is pushing it into the long grass as it looks increasingly unlikely he will need to offer Johnson anything. The 100 MP ramping earlier appears to have backfired rather badly - looked rather desperate.
However, the 50 Tory MPs backing Johnson if they voted with Labour would overturn the Tory majority of 80. So Sunak will need Johnson backing MPs to support him to get legislation and budgets through. So Rishi needs Boris in his Cabinet or at least behind him to have a working government0 -
Well it was frog and frogself so i reckon we can work out old Livingstone's newtnouns!Carnyx said:
How do they differ from toad and newt ones, then?wooliedyed said:
Tbh i gave up when i saw the tiktok of the bird telling me how to use frog pronounsrcs1000 said:
There's a new Microsoft design coming that wall also incorporate Unlabeled, so you won't feel underrepresented for long.wooliedyed said:
Lol im proudly out as unlabeled and here is my flag denoting such.Leon said:Difficult to know if this is spoof or real. I’m going with “real”
“This flag combines 40 different flags from LGBTQIA+ communities around the world, including: Abrosexual, Aceflux, Agender, Ambiamorous, Androgynous, Aroace, Aroflux, Aromantic, Asexual, Bigender, Bisexual, Demifluid, Demigender, Demigirl, Demiromantic, Demisexual, Gay/MLM/Vinician, Genderfluid, Genderflux, Genderqueer, Gender questioning, Graysexual, Intersex, Lesbian, Maverique, Neutrois, Nonbinary, Omnisexual, Pangender, Pansexual, Polyamorous, Polysexual, Transgender, Trigender, Two Spirit, Progress Pride, Queer, Unlabeled.”0 -
When has Rishi ever said something straight?FrankBooth said:Is Rishi necessarily such a dud in the redwall?
He was an original Brexiteer.
He can talk about regulatory divergence whereas Labour will want to keep the status quo in preparation for rejoinig the single market.
He can talk about race/immigration/patriotism without it offending people.
He plans to boost capital investment paid for by corporation tax rises.
Hunt has shown that it can be done.0 -
Lol! 'late charge by Braverman' AhahahaGustavoFrings said:
Get Boris on board and that means you don't have to worry about a late charge by Braverman.SirNorfolkPassmore said:I wonder whether this Johnson/Sunak meeting will happen?
The feeling I'm getting is Sunak is pushing it into the long grass as it looks increasingly unlikely he will need to offer Johnson anything. The 100 MP ramping earlier appears to have backfired rather badly - looked rather desperate.0 -
In Siberia? Salt in his wounds...Mexicanpete said:
A miner job? Pack him off underground during daylight hours?logical_song said:
Rishi will offer Boris a minor job?AlistairM said:
Is that for Rishi to tell Boris where to go?Scott_xP said:NEW: Johnson and Sunak are due to meet
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/is-the-tide-going-out-on-boris-johnsons-comeback-x5xb6vj8b1 -
He is brown and there are lots of Racists in the red wall particularly old men who are normally Tory voters see Jerry from Lowestoft as an exampleFrankBooth said:Is Rishi necessarily such a dud in the redwall?
He was an original Brexiteer.
He can talk about regulatory divergence whereas Labour will want to keep the status quo in preparation for rejoinig the single market.
He has a northern England seat.
He can talk about race/immigration/patriotism without it offending people.
He plans to boost capital investment paid for by corporation tax rises.
https://twitter.com/LBC/status/15838361827815178300 -
Er, that woukld lead to Mr Sunak not being PM and a GE, cos the Sunakites wouldn't support Mr J as PM (though Labour might). What's the point of Mr Johnson destroying a Conservative government, apart of course so he can be king once again?HYUFD said:
Sunak will almost certainly become leader now, he has 114 declared MPs, more than Johnson on 50 and Mordaunt on 22 combined.SirNorfolkPassmore said:I wonder whether this Johnson/Sunak meeting will happen?
The feeling I'm getting is Sunak is pushing it into the long grass as it looks increasingly unlikely he will need to offer Johnson anything. The 100 MP ramping earlier appears to have backfired rather badly - looked rather desperate.
However, the 50 Tory MPs backing Johnson if they voted with Labour would overturn the Tory majority of 80. So Sunak will need Johnson backing MPs to support him to get legislation and budgets through. So Rishi needs Boris in his Cabinet or at least behind him to have a working government0 -
Lowestoft is nowhere near the red wallbigjohnowls said:
He is brown and there are lots of Racists in the red wall particularly old men who are normally Tory voters see Jerry from Lowestoft as an exampleFrankBooth said:Is Rishi necessarily such a dud in the redwall?
He was an original Brexiteer.
He can talk about regulatory divergence whereas Labour will want to keep the status quo in preparation for rejoinig the single market.
He has a northern England seat.
He can talk about race/immigration/patriotism without it offending people.
He plans to boost capital investment paid for by corporation tax rises.
https://twitter.com/LBC/status/15838361827815178301 -
Yes it would lead to a GE and likely Starmer government if Johnson supporters decided better for a Sunak leadership to crash and burn quickly at the hands of the electorate leaving their man to pick up the pieces in opposition (one of the 50 in a safe seat stepping down for Boris to quickly step into).Carnyx said:
Er, that woukld lead to Mr Sunak not being PM and a GE, cos the Sunakites wouldn't support Mr J as PM (though Labour might). What's the point of Mr Johnson destroying a Conservative government, apart of course so he can be king once again?HYUFD said:
Sunak will almost certainly become leader now, he has 114 declared MPs, more than Johnson on 50 and Mordaunt on 22 combined.SirNorfolkPassmore said:I wonder whether this Johnson/Sunak meeting will happen?
The feeling I'm getting is Sunak is pushing it into the long grass as it looks increasingly unlikely he will need to offer Johnson anything. The 100 MP ramping earlier appears to have backfired rather badly - looked rather desperate.
However, the 50 Tory MPs backing Johnson if they voted with Labour would overturn the Tory majority of 80. So Sunak will need Johnson backing MPs to support him to get legislation and budgets through. So Rishi needs Boris in his Cabinet or at least behind him to have a working government
So as I see it Sunak needs Boris supporters on board to ensure he can sustain a workable government into next year and beyond until the next general election by offering Boris something he could accept0 -
bigjohnowls said:
He is brown and there are lots of Racists in the red wall particularly old men who are normally Tory voters see Jerry from Lowestoft as an exampleFrankBooth said:Is Rishi necessarily such a dud in the redwall?
He was an original Brexiteer.
He can talk about regulatory divergence whereas Labour will want to keep the status quo in preparation for rejoinig the single market.
He has a northern England seat.
He can talk about race/immigration/patriotism without it offending people.
He plans to boost capital investment paid for by corporation tax rises.
https://twitter.com/LBC/status/1583836182781517830
Your geography skills are as poor as your political judgement
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True but his view is commonplace amongst Gammons in the Red Wallwooliedyed said:
Lowestoft is nowhere near the red wallbigjohnowls said:
He is brown and there are lots of Racists in the red wall particularly old men who are normally Tory voters see Jerry from Lowestoft as an exampleFrankBooth said:Is Rishi necessarily such a dud in the redwall?
He was an original Brexiteer.
He can talk about regulatory divergence whereas Labour will want to keep the status quo in preparation for rejoinig the single market.
He has a northern England seat.
He can talk about race/immigration/patriotism without it offending people.
He plans to boost capital investment paid for by corporation tax rises.
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That doesn't mean he needs to blink now, and give the appearance he needs Johnson's support.HYUFD said:
Sunak will almost certainly become leader and PM now, he has 114 declared Conservative MPs nominating, more than Johnson on 50 and Mordaunt on 22 combined and already over the 100 nomination threshold required with more backing him all the time.SirNorfolkPassmore said:I wonder whether this Johnson/Sunak meeting will happen?
The feeling I'm getting is Sunak is pushing it into the long grass as it looks increasingly unlikely he will need to offer Johnson anything. The 100 MP ramping earlier appears to have backfired rather badly - looked rather desperate.
However, the 50 Tory MPs backing Johnson if they voted with Labour would overturn the Tory majority of 80. So Sunak will need Johnson backing MPs to support him to get legislation and budgets through. So Rishi needs Boris in his Cabinet or at least behind him to have a working government
These things are all about bargaining position and ensuring you do things when you are in your strongest position and he is at his weakest. If he is confident he has the numbers and Johnson doesn't, he can say, "Yes, it'd be absolutely lovely to have lunch with you, Boris - how does Tuesday work for you? Anyway, you have my number so give me a call about details". Make him beg for a date.0 -
Sunak now upto 123 confirmed nominations.
The clown on 54 .3 -
Ipswich is red wallwooliedyed said:
Lowestoft is nowhere near the red wallbigjohnowls said:
He is brown and there are lots of Racists in the red wall particularly old men who are normally Tory voters see Jerry from Lowestoft as an exampleFrankBooth said:Is Rishi necessarily such a dud in the redwall?
He was an original Brexiteer.
He can talk about regulatory divergence whereas Labour will want to keep the status quo in preparation for rejoinig the single market.
He has a northern England seat.
He can talk about race/immigration/patriotism without it offending people.
He plans to boost capital investment paid for by corporation tax rises.
https://twitter.com/LBC/status/15838361827815178300 -
It depends what you want. There is never a secular decline in car values. Some things crash and while others go for strong money.StillWaters said:
I’m needing to buy a “new” second hand car (no point in paying forecourt premium).MarqueeMark said:
I was thinking of those cars that get handed back..... Balloon payments will make no sense if the second-hand market craters.FrancisUrquhart said:
If you are interested in a decent new car, leasing always seems like a much better option. Just get a new lease every couple of years, never really pay any servicing and just hand it back get a new one.MarqueeMark said:
Give it a year and there will be a glut of nice cars going for buttons....FrancisUrquhart said:Why Britain’s debt-fuelled new car addiction is coming to an end
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/consumer-affairs/why-britains-debt-fuelled-new-car-addiction-coming-end/
I always thought this was another disaster waiting to happen.
Why would I want to pay a balloon payment 2-3 years down the line for a car I have thrashed around and only get worse....when I can get a new shiny one (and pay less per month for leasing). Its not like in general a car is an investment that will increase in value.
When will the market subside…?
(And any suggestions?)
Usual advice applies: never buy any JLR product ever.0 -
thats too lazy and insulting to people in the red wall. I suspect the reason he does not enthuse is that he is a multi millionaire who is a little aloof and corporate - and simply he is not Boris who has a character that suits red wall politics - sense of humour , enthusing, down to earth but most of all non-corporatebigjohnowls said:
He is brown and there are lots of Racists in the red wall particularly old men who are normally Tory voters see Jerry from Lowestoft as an exampleFrankBooth said:Is Rishi necessarily such a dud in the redwall?
He was an original Brexiteer.
He can talk about regulatory divergence whereas Labour will want to keep the status quo in preparation for rejoinig the single market.
He has a northern England seat.
He can talk about race/immigration/patriotism without it offending people.
He plans to boost capital investment paid for by corporation tax rises.
https://twitter.com/LBC/status/15838361827815178301 -
It is made worse by the fact that the term is Vincian not Vinician.SeaShantyIrish2 said:
This is the kind of thing that gives Woke a bad name. Also giving me a headache looking at it.pigeon said:
It's a load of absolute bullcrap. The alphabet soup acronym is meaningless (and so, I suspect, are most of these individual terms: either complete waffle or numerous different ways of describing precisely the same thing.)Leon said:Difficult to know if this is spoof or real. I’m going with “real”
“This flag combines 40 different flags from LGBTQIA+ communities around the world, including: Abrosexual, Aceflux, Agender, Ambiamorous, Androgynous, Aroace, Aroflux, Aromantic, Asexual, Bigender, Bisexual, Demifluid, Demigender, Demigirl, Demiromantic, Demisexual, Gay/MLM/Vinician, Genderfluid, Genderflux, Genderqueer, Gender questioning, Graysexual, Intersex, Lesbian, Maverique, Neutrois, Nonbinary, Omnisexual, Pangender, Pansexual, Polyamorous, Polysexual, Transgender, Trigender, Two Spirit, Progress Pride, Queer, Unlabeled.”
For the avoidance of doubt, I am gay. A homosexual male. Why I've suddenly been described by some clueless dolt at a software house as "Gay/MLM/Vinician" Christ only knows. What is a Vinician anyway? It sounds like one of the non-recurring baddies from 1970s Doctor Who.
I mean, just, enough already.
Though worth noting, that is homage to the graphic, cultural and above all vexillological influence to the Union Flag aka Union Jack, in particular pattern of stripes at complementary angles radiating from central point.
Also worth pointing out, there IS such as thing, as too much of a good thing.
The thinking behind it has the best of intentions but is based on very muddled beliefs.
I too think of myself as a gay man. I am never going to apologize for that. Nor should I ever be made to feel guilty for not wishing to give in to the new orthodoxy that seeks to delete sexuality in favour of gender.1 -
This idea of a Sunak / Johnson agreement sounds like an unlikely manoeuvre but it could work if the personalities allow it. It would be like a sort of coalition government between the different factions of the Conservative Party. Also, if Johnson performing some role in the government itself (probably Foreign Secretary), then it would have some political credibility in terms of not calling a General Election, they can claim Johnson is still around and the manifesto is still being implemented.HYUFD said:
Yes it would lead to a GE and likely Starmer government if Johnson supporters decided better for a Sunak leadership to crash and burn quickly at the hands of the electorate leaving their man to pick up the pieces in opposition.Carnyx said:
Er, that woukld lead to Mr Sunak not being PM and a GE, cos the Sunakites wouldn't support Mr J as PM (though Labour might). What's the point of Mr Johnson destroying a Conservative government, apart of course so he can be king once again?HYUFD said:
Sunak will almost certainly become leader now, he has 114 declared MPs, more than Johnson on 50 and Mordaunt on 22 combined.SirNorfolkPassmore said:I wonder whether this Johnson/Sunak meeting will happen?
The feeling I'm getting is Sunak is pushing it into the long grass as it looks increasingly unlikely he will need to offer Johnson anything. The 100 MP ramping earlier appears to have backfired rather badly - looked rather desperate.
However, the 50 Tory MPs backing Johnson if they voted with Labour would overturn the Tory majority of 80. So Sunak will need Johnson backing MPs to support him to get legislation and budgets through. So Rishi needs Boris in his Cabinet or at least behind him to have a working government
So as I see it Sunak needs Boris supporters on board to ensure he can sustain a workable government into next year and beyond until the next general election by offering Boris something he could accept1 -
No it isnt.HYUFD said:
Ipswich is red wallwooliedyed said:
Lowestoft is nowhere near the red wallbigjohnowls said:
He is brown and there are lots of Racists in the red wall particularly old men who are normally Tory voters see Jerry from Lowestoft as an exampleFrankBooth said:Is Rishi necessarily such a dud in the redwall?
He was an original Brexiteer.
He can talk about regulatory divergence whereas Labour will want to keep the status quo in preparation for rejoinig the single market.
He has a northern England seat.
He can talk about race/immigration/patriotism without it offending people.
He plans to boost capital investment paid for by corporation tax rises.
https://twitter.com/LBC/status/15838361827815178302 -
Ipswich has been Tory several times since1970.HYUFD said:
Ipswich is red wallwooliedyed said:
Lowestoft is nowhere near the red wallbigjohnowls said:
He is brown and there are lots of Racists in the red wall particularly old men who are normally Tory voters see Jerry from Lowestoft as an exampleFrankBooth said:Is Rishi necessarily such a dud in the redwall?
He was an original Brexiteer.
He can talk about regulatory divergence whereas Labour will want to keep the status quo in preparation for rejoinig the single market.
He has a northern England seat.
He can talk about race/immigration/patriotism without it offending people.
He plans to boost capital investment paid for by corporation tax rises.
https://twitter.com/LBC/status/15838361827815178303 -
Mustn't insult racists!state_go_away said:
thats too lazy and insulting to people in the red wall. I suspect the reason he does not enthuse is that he is a multi millionaire who is a little aloof and corporate -bigjohnowls said:
He is brown and there are lots of Racists in the red wall particularly old men who are normally Tory voters see Jerry from Lowestoft as an exampleFrankBooth said:Is Rishi necessarily such a dud in the redwall?
He was an original Brexiteer.
He can talk about regulatory divergence whereas Labour will want to keep the status quo in preparation for rejoinig the single market.
He has a northern England seat.
He can talk about race/immigration/patriotism without it offending people.
He plans to boost capital investment paid for by corporation tax rises.
https://twitter.com/LBC/status/15838361827815178300 -
It is more redwall than safe Tory, Kinnock won Ipswich in 1992 and Corbyn won Ipswich in 2017 despite the fact they both lost nationallybarrykenna said:
Ipswich has been Tory several times since1970.HYUFD said:
Ipswich is red wallwooliedyed said:
Lowestoft is nowhere near the red wallbigjohnowls said:
He is brown and there are lots of Racists in the red wall particularly old men who are normally Tory voters see Jerry from Lowestoft as an exampleFrankBooth said:Is Rishi necessarily such a dud in the redwall?
He was an original Brexiteer.
He can talk about regulatory divergence whereas Labour will want to keep the status quo in preparation for rejoinig the single market.
He has a northern England seat.
He can talk about race/immigration/patriotism without it offending people.
He plans to boost capital investment paid for by corporation tax rises.
https://twitter.com/LBC/status/1583836182781517830-1
