He was an original Brexiteer. He can talk about regulatory divergence whereas Labour will want to keep the status quo in preparation for rejoinig the single market. He has a northern England seat. He can talk about race/immigration/patriotism without it offending people. He plans to boost capital investment paid for by corporation tax rises.
He is brown and there are lots of Racists in the red wall particularly old men who are normally Tory voters see Jerry from Lowestoft as an example
He was an original Brexiteer. He can talk about regulatory divergence whereas Labour will want to keep the status quo in preparation for rejoinig the single market. He has a northern England seat. He can talk about race/immigration/patriotism without it offending people. He plans to boost capital investment paid for by corporation tax rises.
He is brown and there are lots of Racists in the red wall particularly old men who are normally Tory voters see Jerry from Lowestoft as an example
I wonder whether this Johnson/Sunak meeting will happen?
The feeling I'm getting is Sunak is pushing it into the long grass as it looks increasingly unlikely he will need to offer Johnson anything. The 100 MP ramping earlier appears to have backfired rather badly - looked rather desperate.
Sunak will almost certainly become leader now, he has 114 declared MPs, more than Johnson on 50 and Mordaunt on 22 combined.
However, the 50 Tory MPs backing Johnson if they voted with Labour would overturn the Tory majority of 80. So Sunak will need Johnson backing MPs to support him to get legislation and budgets through. So Rishi needs Boris in his Cabinet or at least behind him to have a working government
Er, that woukld lead to Mr Sunak not being PM and a GE, cos the Sunakites wouldn't support Mr J as PM (though Labour might). What's the point of Mr Johnson destroying a Conservative government, apart of course so he can be king once again?
Yes it would lead to a GE and likely Starmer government if Johnson supporters decided better for a Sunak leadership to crash and burn quickly at the hands of the electorate leaving their man to pick up the pieces in opposition.
So as I see it Sunak needs Boris supporters on board to ensure he can sustain a workable government into next year and beyond until the next general election by offering Boris something he could accept
This idea of a Sunak / Johnson agreement sounds like an unlikely manoeuvre but it could work if the personalities allow it. It would be like a sort of coalition government between the different factions of the Conservative Party. Also, if Johnson performing some role in the government itself (probably Foreign Secretary), then it would have some political credibility in terms of not calling a General Election, they can claim Johnson is still around and the manifesto is still being implemented.
All Johnson can offer is some sort of promise to keep the nutters on board. But their loyalty isn’t to him, but to their wacky world view, and Johnson is too lazy and unbothered to put in any effort to deliver on his commitment. So it would be worthless.
I expect he’s landed a nice safe seat somewhere - watch this space!
He was an original Brexiteer. He can talk about regulatory divergence whereas Labour will want to keep the status quo in preparation for rejoinig the single market. He has a northern England seat. He can talk about race/immigration/patriotism without it offending people. He plans to boost capital investment paid for by corporation tax rises.
He is brown and there are lots of Racists in the red wall particularly old men who are normally Tory voters see Jerry from Lowestoft as an example
He was an original Brexiteer. He can talk about regulatory divergence whereas Labour will want to keep the status quo in preparation for rejoinig the single market. He has a northern England seat. He can talk about race/immigration/patriotism without it offending people. He plans to boost capital investment paid for by corporation tax rises.
He is brown and there are lots of Racists in the red wall particularly old men who are normally Tory voters see Jerry from Lowestoft as an example
thats too lazy and insulting to people in the red wall. I suspect the reason he does not enthuse is that he is a multi millionaire who is a little aloof and corporate -
Mustn't insult racists!
well are you saying people in red wall seats are racists ? They dont liek many tories but the one they do is Johnson because he is the most non-corporate tory there is . Rishi is just too rich , too establishment and too corporate.Its also why Sunak is favoured on sites like PB which has a populace of wealthy, establishment ,middle class and corporate style people in general
It’s particularly important in this contest HOW the victory is achieved. Sunak (if he) will be very keen to win in such a way as to limit potential for internal dissent opposition.
He was an original Brexiteer. He can talk about regulatory divergence whereas Labour will want to keep the status quo in preparation for rejoinig the single market. He has a northern England seat. He can talk about race/immigration/patriotism without it offending people. He plans to boost capital investment paid for by corporation tax rises.
He is brown and there are lots of Racists in the red wall particularly old men who are normally Tory voters see Jerry from Lowestoft as an example
He was an original Brexiteer. He can talk about regulatory divergence whereas Labour will want to keep the status quo in preparation for rejoinig the single market. He has a northern England seat. He can talk about race/immigration/patriotism without it offending people. He plans to boost capital investment paid for by corporation tax rises.
He is brown and there are lots of Racists in the red wall particularly old men who are normally Tory voters see Jerry from Lowestoft as an example
He was an original Brexiteer. He can talk about regulatory divergence whereas Labour will want to keep the status quo in preparation for rejoinig the single market. He has a northern England seat. He can talk about race/immigration/patriotism without it offending people. He plans to boost capital investment paid for by corporation tax rises.
He is brown and there are lots of Racists in the red wall particularly old men who are normally Tory voters see Jerry from Lowestoft as an example
It is more redwall than safe Tory, Kinnock won Ipswich in 1992 and Corbyn won Ipswich in 2017 despite the fact they both lost nationally
Red wall is tradtionally Labour seats in the North and Midlands. Ipswich is neither traditionally Labour nor in the North or Midlands. You cant just apply 'red wall' to anything Labour hold like some free styling maniac
He was an original Brexiteer. He can talk about regulatory divergence whereas Labour will want to keep the status quo in preparation for rejoinig the single market. He has a northern England seat. He can talk about race/immigration/patriotism without it offending people. He plans to boost capital investment paid for by corporation tax rises.
He is brown and there are lots of Racists in the red wall particularly old men who are normally Tory voters see Jerry from Lowestoft as an example
thats too lazy and insulting to people in the red wall. I suspect the reason he does not enthuse is that he is a multi millionaire who is a little aloof and corporate -
Mustn't insult racists!
well are you saying people in red wall seats are racists ? They dont liek many tories but the one they do is Johnson because he is the most non-corporate tory there is . Rishi is just too rich , too establishment and too corporate
I'm saying that there are a lot of racists around, and they don't like people like Sunak. Obviously.
He was an original Brexiteer. He can talk about regulatory divergence whereas Labour will want to keep the status quo in preparation for rejoinig the single market. He has a northern England seat. He can talk about race/immigration/patriotism without it offending people. He plans to boost capital investment paid for by corporation tax rises.
He is brown and there are lots of Racists in the red wall particularly old men who are normally Tory voters see "Jerry from Lowestoft" as an example
Your geography skills are as poor as your political judgement
Go boil your head.
The clip from LBC is showing the racism of a self described typical Tory member his location is completely irrelevant other than he introduces himself as "Jerry from Lowestoft".
I omitted the quotation marks in my original post but assumed people would be intelligent enough to understand the point I was making.
Still far from clear what's going to happen. Sunak has enough declarations to be in the race but whether either Johnson or Mordaunt will get over the 100 nomination hurdle remains to be seen.
As MPs aren't obliged to nominate any candidate it may be Sunak will be the winner by Monday.
IF Johnson gets the nominations required, how does the indicative vote play out? In 1990, when Major won 185 votes on the second ballot, both Heseltine and Hurd withdrew but there was no members' ballot then. How far ahead does Sunak need to be to get his coronation - I'd argue if he got 210 votes or more the pressure on Johnson to withdraw would be irresistible but if Sunak polled 190 and Johnson got 165 it would be much harder to argue the mandate so off to the members (those with email addresses) it would go.
For those desperate for unity in the Conservative Party as the only way of staving off a catastrophic election defeat the question then becomes the personal relationship between Johnson and Sunak. It's not a question of Sunak offering Johnson a post - he doesn't have to and it seems incongruous for a previous PM to go back to serve under another PM - but the public declaration of loyalty/support would be enough.
As we recall from the mid 90s, it doesn't help to have a former leader or his/her "friends" making "noises off" and that has to be the worry for Sunak.
From there, we have to ask what a Sunak Cabinet looks like - I'm convinced Javid will get a big job but can Hunt be moved without unsettling the markets? In any case, the financial backdrop remains difficult to say the least.
He was an original Brexiteer. He can talk about regulatory divergence whereas Labour will want to keep the status quo in preparation for rejoinig the single market. He has a northern England seat. He can talk about race/immigration/patriotism without it offending people. He plans to boost capital investment paid for by corporation tax rises.
He is brown and there are lots of Racists in the red wall particularly old men who are normally Tory voters see Jerry from Lowestoft as an example
We've debated here the usefulness or otherwise of the term, and indeed whether it is possible to define. But common features are Midlands or North of England (which Ipswich isn't) and that historically it's been pretty solidly Labour until 2019. Ipswich was an odd one in that respect as it was Labour in 1983, but it was Tory 1987-92 and again 2010-17 (as well as since 2019).
He was an original Brexiteer. He can talk about regulatory divergence whereas Labour will want to keep the status quo in preparation for rejoinig the single market. He has a northern England seat. He can talk about race/immigration/patriotism without it offending people. He plans to boost capital investment paid for by corporation tax rises.
He is brown and there are lots of Racists in the red wall particularly old men who are normally Tory voters see Jerry from Lowestoft as an example
It is more redwall than safe Tory, Kinnock won Ipswich in 1992 and Corbyn won Ipswich in 2017 despite the fact they both lost nationally
Red wall is tradtionally Labour seats in the North and Midlands. Ipswich is neither traditionally Labour nor in the North or Midlands. You cant just apply 'red wall' to anything Labour hold like some free styling maniac
I think the term red wall generally applies to those seats where the average per capitia income or wealth is not a natural tory seat - so it can be anywhere - people are not voting tory in these seats because they are wealthy
He was an original Brexiteer. He can talk about regulatory divergence whereas Labour will want to keep the status quo in preparation for rejoinig the single market. He has a northern England seat. He can talk about race/immigration/patriotism without it offending people. He plans to boost capital investment paid for by corporation tax rises.
He is brown and there are lots of Racists in the red wall particularly old men who are normally Tory voters see Jerry from Lowestoft as an example
He was an original Brexiteer. He can talk about regulatory divergence whereas Labour will want to keep the status quo in preparation for rejoinig the single market. He has a northern England seat. He can talk about race/immigration/patriotism without it offending people. He plans to boost capital investment paid for by corporation tax rises.
He is brown and there are lots of Racists in the red wall particularly old men who are normally Tory voters see Jerry from Lowestoft as an example
We've debated here the usefulness or otherwise of the term, and indeed whether it is possible to define. But common features are Midlands or North of England (which Ipswich isn't) and that historically it's been pretty solidly Labour until 2019. Ipswich was an odd one in that respect as it was Labour in 1983, but it was Tory 1987-92 and again 2010-17 (as well as since 2019).
It is still more redwall than safe Tory, so the statement that Lowestoft 'is nowhere near the red wall' does not really stand as Lowestoft is close to Ipswich.
Difficult to know if this is spoof or real. I’m going with “real”
“This flag combines 40 different flags from LGBTQIA+ communities around the world, including: Abrosexual, Aceflux, Agender, Ambiamorous, Androgynous, Aroace, Aroflux, Aromantic, Asexual, Bigender, Bisexual, Demifluid, Demigender, Demigirl, Demiromantic, Demisexual, Gay/MLM/Vinician, Genderfluid, Genderflux, Genderqueer, Gender questioning, Graysexual, Intersex, Lesbian, Maverique, Neutrois, Nonbinary, Omnisexual, Pangender, Pansexual, Polyamorous, Polysexual, Transgender, Trigender, Two Spirit, Progress Pride, Queer, Unlabeled.”
It's a load of absolute bullcrap. The alphabet soup acronym is meaningless (and so, I suspect, are most of these individual terms: either complete waffle or numerous different ways of describing precisely the same thing.)
For the avoidance of doubt, I am gay. A homosexual male. Why I've suddenly been described by some clueless dolt at a software house as "Gay/MLM/Vinician" Christ only knows. What is a Vinician anyway? It sounds like one of the non-recurring baddies from 1970s Doctor Who.
I mean, just, enough already.
This is the kind of thing that gives Woke a bad name. Also giving me a headache looking at it.
Though worth noting, that is homage to the graphic, cultural and above all vexillological influence to the Union Flag aka Union Jack, in particular pattern of stripes at complementary angles radiating from central point.
Also worth pointing out, there IS such as thing, as too much of a good thing.
It is made worse by the fact that the term is Vincian not Vinician.
The thinking behind it has the best of intentions but is based on very muddled beliefs.
I too think of myself as a gay man. I am never going to apologize for that. Nor should I ever be made to feel guilty for not wishing to give in to the new orthodoxy that seeks to delete sexuality in favour of gender.
This should all be seen in the context of the rapid deconstruction of sexuality and sexual preferences. Having all these categories isn't harmful in and of itself. But the problems occur when it gets mixed up with a political agenda.
He was an original Brexiteer. He can talk about regulatory divergence whereas Labour will want to keep the status quo in preparation for rejoinig the single market. He has a northern England seat. He can talk about race/immigration/patriotism without it offending people. He plans to boost capital investment paid for by corporation tax rises.
He is brown and there are lots of Racists in the red wall particularly old men who are normally Tory voters see Jerry from Lowestoft as an example
It is more redwall than safe Tory, Kinnock won Ipswich in 1992 and Corbyn won Ipswich in 2017 despite the fact they both lost nationally
Red wall is tradtionally Labour seats in the North and Midlands. Ipswich is neither traditionally Labour nor in the North or Midlands. You cant just apply 'red wall' to anything Labour hold like some free styling maniac
I think the term red wall generally applies to those seats where the average per capitia income or wealth is not a natural tory seat - so it can be anywhere - people are not voting tory in these seats because they are wealthy
I thought Red Wall seats are constituencies that hardly ever voted Tory before 2019.
He was an original Brexiteer. He can talk about regulatory divergence whereas Labour will want to keep the status quo in preparation for rejoinig the single market. He has a northern England seat. He can talk about race/immigration/patriotism without it offending people. He plans to boost capital investment paid for by corporation tax rises.
He is brown and there are lots of Racists in the red wall particularly old men who are normally Tory voters see Jerry from Lowestoft as an example
I think you said a bit ago you had lost 50kg but had a way to go before you dropped out of the morbidly obese category? Then upthread you make an exceedingly amusing joke about Sunak's stature, but his skin colour is apparently off limits. Confusing.
He was an original Brexiteer. He can talk about regulatory divergence whereas Labour will want to keep the status quo in preparation for rejoinig the single market. He has a northern England seat. He can talk about race/immigration/patriotism without it offending people. He plans to boost capital investment paid for by corporation tax rises.
He is brown and there are lots of Racists in the red wall particularly old men who are normally Tory voters see Jerry from Lowestoft as an example
Why? Why does this person’s view matter? Why should we believe the anecdote? What is the agenda here? We live in a world where, because of social media, people seem to think that all views carry equal weight. They don’t.
I have heard people say much the same over the last few weeks.
He was an original Brexiteer. He can talk about regulatory divergence whereas Labour will want to keep the status quo in preparation for rejoinig the single market. He has a northern England seat. He can talk about race/immigration/patriotism without it offending people. He plans to boost capital investment paid for by corporation tax rises.
He is brown and there are lots of Racists in the red wall particularly old men who are normally Tory voters see Jerry from Lowestoft as an example
It is more redwall than safe Tory, Kinnock won Ipswich in 1992 and Corbyn won Ipswich in 2017 despite the fact they both lost nationally
Red wall is tradtionally Labour seats in the North and Midlands. Ipswich is neither traditionally Labour nor in the North or Midlands. You cant just apply 'red wall' to anything Labour hold like some free styling maniac
In the last 40 years Labour have won Ipswich at 7 general elections out of 11 but Labour have only won nationally at 3 general elections out of 11 in that time.
Ipswich is therefore closer to the redwall than either safe Tory or even bellwether marginal seat
He was an original Brexiteer. He can talk about regulatory divergence whereas Labour will want to keep the status quo in preparation for rejoinig the single market. He has a northern England seat. He can talk about race/immigration/patriotism without it offending people. He plans to boost capital investment paid for by corporation tax rises.
He is brown and there are lots of Racists in the red wall particularly old men who are normally Tory voters see Jerry from Lowestoft as an example
It is more redwall than safe Tory, Kinnock won Ipswich in 1992 and Corbyn won Ipswich in 2017 despite the fact they both lost nationally
Red wall is tradtionally Labour seats in the North and Midlands. Ipswich is neither traditionally Labour nor in the North or Midlands. You cant just apply 'red wall' to anything Labour hold like some free styling maniac
I think the term red wall generally applies to those seats where the average per capitia income or wealth is not a natural tory seat - so it can be anywhere - people are not voting tory in these seats because they are wealthy
I thought Red Wall seats are constituencies that hardly ever voted Tory before 2019.
isnt that more or less the same thing in that tories used to win rich seats and labour poorer ones - Johnson found a way to break that mould
He was an original Brexiteer. He can talk about regulatory divergence whereas Labour will want to keep the status quo in preparation for rejoinig the single market. He has a northern England seat. He can talk about race/immigration/patriotism without it offending people. He plans to boost capital investment paid for by corporation tax rises.
He is brown and there are lots of Racists in the red wall particularly old men who are normally Tory voters see Jerry from Lowestoft as an example
It is more redwall than safe Tory, Kinnock won Ipswich in 1992 and Corbyn won Ipswich in 2017 despite the fact they both lost nationally
Red wall is tradtionally Labour seats in the North and Midlands. Ipswich is neither traditionally Labour nor in the North or Midlands. You cant just apply 'red wall' to anything Labour hold like some free styling maniac
I think the term red wall generally applies to those seats where the average per capitia income or wealth is not a natural tory seat - so it can be anywhere - people are not voting tory in these seats because they are wealthy
The clue is “wall”. It refers to previously Labour seats considered safe, where the progressive realignment leading up to and since Brexit has delivered them, surprisingly, into the Tory column. A seat that has been Tory in the 1980s and again in 2010 doesn’t fit the bill.
He was an original Brexiteer. He can talk about regulatory divergence whereas Labour will want to keep the status quo in preparation for rejoinig the single market. He has a northern England seat. He can talk about race/immigration/patriotism without it offending people. He plans to boost capital investment paid for by corporation tax rises.
He is brown and there are lots of Racists in the red wall particularly old men who are normally Tory voters see Jerry from Lowestoft as an example
We've debated here the usefulness or otherwise of the term, and indeed whether it is possible to define. But common features are Midlands or North of England (which Ipswich isn't) and that historically it's been pretty solidly Labour until 2019. Ipswich was an odd one in that respect as it was Labour in 1983, but it was Tory 1987-92 and again 2010-17 (as well as since 2019).
It is still more redwall than safe Tory, so the statement that Lowestoft 'is nowhere near the red wall' does not really stand as Lowestoft is close to Ipswich.
And Ipswich is not red wall, has never been described as red wall by someone that isnt a complete moonbat and has never appeared on any list of red wall seats. So lowestoft remains nowhere near the red wall.
I wonder whether this Johnson/Sunak meeting will happen?
The feeling I'm getting is Sunak is pushing it into the long grass as it looks increasingly unlikely he will need to offer Johnson anything. The 100 MP ramping earlier appears to have backfired rather badly - looked rather desperate.
Sunak will almost certainly become leader and PM now, he has 114 declared Conservative MPs nominating him, more than Johnson on 50 and Mordaunt on 22 combined and already over the 100 nomination threshold required with more backing him all the time.
However, the 50 Tory MPs backing Johnson if they voted with Labour would overturn the Tory majority of 80. So Sunak will need Johnson backing MPs to support him to get legislation and budgets through. So Rishi needs Boris in his Cabinet or at least behind him to have a working government
If the 50 Tories voted with Labour they would lose the whip and their seats at the next election. Why would they do that? Do they love Boris that much?
He was an original Brexiteer. He can talk about regulatory divergence whereas Labour will want to keep the status quo in preparation for rejoinig the single market. He has a northern England seat. He can talk about race/immigration/patriotism without it offending people. He plans to boost capital investment paid for by corporation tax rises.
He is brown and there are lots of Racists in the red wall particularly old men who are normally Tory voters see Jerry from Lowestoft as an example
Difficult to know if this is spoof or real. I’m going with “real”
“This flag combines 40 different flags from LGBTQIA+ communities around the world, including: Abrosexual, Aceflux, Agender, Ambiamorous, Androgynous, Aroace, Aroflux, Aromantic, Asexual, Bigender, Bisexual, Demifluid, Demigender, Demigirl, Demiromantic, Demisexual, Gay/MLM/Vinician, Genderfluid, Genderflux, Genderqueer, Gender questioning, Graysexual, Intersex, Lesbian, Maverique, Neutrois, Nonbinary, Omnisexual, Pangender, Pansexual, Polyamorous, Polysexual, Transgender, Trigender, Two Spirit, Progress Pride, Queer, Unlabeled.”
It's a load of absolute bullcrap. The alphabet soup acronym is meaningless (and so, I suspect, are most of these individual terms: either complete waffle or numerous different ways of describing precisely the same thing.)
For the avoidance of doubt, I am gay. A homosexual male. Why I've suddenly been described by some clueless dolt at a software house as "Gay/MLM/Vinician" Christ only knows. What is a Vinician anyway? It sounds like one of the non-recurring baddies from 1970s Doctor Who.
I mean, just, enough already.
This whole “NO LGB without the T” is being tested to destruction. As someone remarked, there’s a reason the Royal Society of Midwives don’t have plumbers as members.
LGB is about who you are attracted to. T is about who you think you are - and Prick News appears to focus on T to the exclusion of much else.
The fact that TRAs resort to abuse and violence seeking “No Debate” shows how weak their arguments are. The people I feel sorry for are genuine Trans people - caught up in an authoritarian left campaign with not a few Autogynphiles in their ranks.
He was an original Brexiteer. He can talk about regulatory divergence whereas Labour will want to keep the status quo in preparation for rejoinig the single market. He has a northern England seat. He can talk about race/immigration/patriotism without it offending people. He plans to boost capital investment paid for by corporation tax rises.
He is brown and there are lots of Racists in the red wall particularly old men who are normally Tory voters see Jerry from Lowestoft as an example
As a Labour supporter Sunak is my preferred option .
In terms of the country I don’t think he’d trash its reputation and the influence of the ERG will reduce . He might be more pragmatic when it comes to the EU and the NI protocol .
I also think he’s beatable at the next GE. The out of touch accusations will hurt him in the Red Wall but I think he’ll help the Tories in the south .
If I’m going to have to suffer two more years of the Tories a Sunak premiership is easier to stomach .
I wonder whether this Johnson/Sunak meeting will happen?
The feeling I'm getting is Sunak is pushing it into the long grass as it looks increasingly unlikely he will need to offer Johnson anything. The 100 MP ramping earlier appears to have backfired rather badly - looked rather desperate.
Sunak will almost certainly become leader and PM now, he has 114 declared Conservative MPs nominating him, more than Johnson on 50 and Mordaunt on 22 combined and already over the 100 nomination threshold required with more backing him all the time.
However, the 50 Tory MPs backing Johnson if they voted with Labour would overturn the Tory majority of 80. So Sunak will need Johnson backing MPs to support him to get legislation and budgets through. So Rishi needs Boris in his Cabinet or at least behind him to have a working government
If the 50 Tories voted with Labour they would lose the whip and their seats at the next election. Why would they do that? Do they love Boris that much?
Depends, if their associations still backed them as candidates they could stand as Boris Conservatives in their seats and if their seats are sufficiently pro Boris would probably beat the official Tory candidate given they were already the incumbent
He was an original Brexiteer. He can talk about regulatory divergence whereas Labour will want to keep the status quo in preparation for rejoinig the single market. He has a northern England seat. He can talk about race/immigration/patriotism without it offending people. He plans to boost capital investment paid for by corporation tax rises.
He is brown and there are lots of Racists in the red wall particularly old men who are normally Tory voters see Jerry from Lowestoft as an example
thats too lazy and insulting to people in the red wall. I suspect the reason he does not enthuse is that he is a multi millionaire who is a little aloof and corporate -
Mustn't insult racists!
well are you saying people in red wall seats are racists ? They dont liek many tories but the one they do is Johnson because he is the most non-corporate tory there is . Rishi is just too rich , too establishment and too corporate
I'm saying that there are a lot of racists around, and they don't like people like Sunak. Obviously.
Spot on I posted a clip that says
'Rishi Sunak isn't even British!'
Sangita Myska eviscerates this racist caller who says Tory party member won't vote for Sunak because 'he doesn't represent Britain'.
My point was exactly the same as yours there are plenty of "Jerrys from Lowestoft" in red wall seats
My 2nd worst holiday experience happened in Lowestoft when i was waist deep in water in a flooded shop next to the station after a sudden downpour with my 5 year old daughter on my shoulders. As the water got ever nearer to the raised live electricity plugs i forced the shopkeeper to open the doors and let us out and waded chest deep across the depression in front of the shop.
Got on a train back to Yarmouth dripping like a leaky hosepipe
He was an original Brexiteer. He can talk about regulatory divergence whereas Labour will want to keep the status quo in preparation for rejoinig the single market. He has a northern England seat. He can talk about race/immigration/patriotism without it offending people. He plans to boost capital investment paid for by corporation tax rises.
He is brown and there are lots of Racists in the red wall particularly old men who are normally Tory voters see Jerry from Lowestoft as an example
He was an original Brexiteer. He can talk about regulatory divergence whereas Labour will want to keep the status quo in preparation for rejoinig the single market. He has a northern England seat. He can talk about race/immigration/patriotism without it offending people. He plans to boost capital investment paid for by corporation tax rises.
He is brown and there are lots of Racists in the red wall particularly old men who are normally Tory voters see Jerry from Lowestoft as an example
It is more redwall than safe Tory, Kinnock won Ipswich in 1992 and Corbyn won Ipswich in 2017 despite the fact they both lost nationally
Red wall is tradtionally Labour seats in the North and Midlands. Ipswich is neither traditionally Labour nor in the North or Midlands. You cant just apply 'red wall' to anything Labour hold like some free styling maniac
In the last 40 years Labour have won Ipswich at 7 general elections out of 11 but Labour have only won nationally at 3 general elections out of 11 in that time.
Ipswich is therefore closer to the redwall than either safe Tory or even bellwether marginal seat
But it isnt red wall. Its a marginal Eastern England seat.
He was an original Brexiteer. He can talk about regulatory divergence whereas Labour will want to keep the status quo in preparation for rejoinig the single market. He has a northern England seat. He can talk about race/immigration/patriotism without it offending people. He plans to boost capital investment paid for by corporation tax rises.
He is brown and there are lots of Racists in the red wall particularly old men who are normally Tory voters see Jerry from Lowestoft as an example
thats too lazy and insulting to people in the red wall. I suspect the reason he does not enthuse is that he is a multi millionaire who is a little aloof and corporate -
Mustn't insult racists!
well are you saying people in red wall seats are racists ? They dont liek many tories but the one they do is Johnson because he is the most non-corporate tory there is . Rishi is just too rich , too establishment and too corporate
I'm saying that there are a lot of racists around, and they don't like people like Sunak. Obviously.
Spot on I posted a clip that says
'Rishi Sunak isn't even British!'
Sangita Myska eviscerates this racist caller who says Tory party member won't vote for Sunak because 'he doesn't represent Britain'.
My point was exactly the same as yours there are plenty of "Jerrys from Lowestoft" in red wall seats
My 2nd worst holiday experience happened in Lowestoft when i was waist deep in water in a flooded shop next to the station after a sudden downpour with my 5 year old daughter on my shoulders. As the water got ever nearer to the raised live electricity plugs i forced the shopkeeper to open the doors and let us out and waded chest deep across the depression in front of the shop.
Got on a train back to Yarmouth dripping like a leaky hosepipe
To be fair we were having lunch today in a cafe in Oxford, which most certainly is not redwall and a white middle aged woman behind me I overheard saying to her friends she didn't like Sunak as he was too rich to understand ordinary people.
On the other hand my parents in law who live in Thanet South constituency like Sunak but there are some who think Sunak is too rich to be PM irrespective of his race. Sunak is elitist rich like say Macron or Romney or Bloomberg or Kerry, rather than populist rich like say Trump or Berlusconi
He was an original Brexiteer. He can talk about regulatory divergence whereas Labour will want to keep the status quo in preparation for rejoinig the single market. He has a northern England seat. He can talk about race/immigration/patriotism without it offending people. He plans to boost capital investment paid for by corporation tax rises.
He is brown and there are lots of Racists in the red wall particularly old men who are normally Tory voters see Jerry from Lowestoft as an example
It is more redwall than safe Tory, Kinnock won Ipswich in 1992 and Corbyn won Ipswich in 2017 despite the fact they both lost nationally
Red wall is tradtionally Labour seats in the North and Midlands. Ipswich is neither traditionally Labour nor in the North or Midlands. You cant just apply 'red wall' to anything Labour hold like some free styling maniac
I think the term red wall generally applies to those seats where the average per capitia income or wealth is not a natural tory seat - so it can be anywhere - people are not voting tory in these seats because they are wealthy
I thought Red Wall seats are constituencies that hardly ever voted Tory before 2019.
The original definition of the Red Wall is that it was traditionally Labour seats that demographically should have been voting Tory but weren't.
I wonder whether this Johnson/Sunak meeting will happen?
The feeling I'm getting is Sunak is pushing it into the long grass as it looks increasingly unlikely he will need to offer Johnson anything. The 100 MP ramping earlier appears to have backfired rather badly - looked rather desperate.
Sunak will almost certainly become leader and PM now, he has 114 declared Conservative MPs nominating him, more than Johnson on 50 and Mordaunt on 22 combined and already over the 100 nomination threshold required with more backing him all the time.
However, the 50 Tory MPs backing Johnson if they voted with Labour would overturn the Tory majority of 80. So Sunak will need Johnson backing MPs to support him to get legislation and budgets through. So Rishi needs Boris in his Cabinet or at least behind him to have a working government
If the 50 Tories voted with Labour they would lose the whip and their seats at the next election. Why would they do that? Do they love Boris that much?
Depends, if their associations still backed them as candidates they could stand as Boris Conservatives in their seats and if their seats are sufficiently pro Boris would probably beat the official Tory candidate given they were already the incumbent
This is pure fantasy on your part. Johnson backing MPs may be awkward behind the scenes, but I am extremely doubtful that any at all will stand against the official Tory candidate in a seat in a General Election, let alone beat them.
He was an original Brexiteer. He can talk about regulatory divergence whereas Labour will want to keep the status quo in preparation for rejoinig the single market. He has a northern England seat. He can talk about race/immigration/patriotism without it offending people. He plans to boost capital investment paid for by corporation tax rises.
He is brown and there are lots of Racists in the red wall particularly old men who are normally Tory voters see Jerry from Lowestoft as an example
It is more redwall than safe Tory, Kinnock won Ipswich in 1992 and Corbyn won Ipswich in 2017 despite the fact they both lost nationally
Red wall is tradtionally Labour seats in the North and Midlands. Ipswich is neither traditionally Labour nor in the North or Midlands. You cant just apply 'red wall' to anything Labour hold like some free styling maniac
I think the term red wall generally applies to those seats where the average per capitia income or wealth is not a natural tory seat - so it can be anywhere - people are not voting tory in these seats because they are wealthy
The clue is “wall”. It refers to previously Labour seats considered safe, where the progressive realignment leading up to and since Brexit has delivered them, surprisingly, into the Tory column. A seat that has been Tory in the 1980s and again in 2010 doesn’t fit the bill.
The "wall" referred originally to the geographically connected nature of them, not merely the perceived difficulty for the Tories of winning them.
I wonder whether this Johnson/Sunak meeting will happen?
The feeling I'm getting is Sunak is pushing it into the long grass as it looks increasingly unlikely he will need to offer Johnson anything. The 100 MP ramping earlier appears to have backfired rather badly - looked rather desperate.
Sunak will almost certainly become leader now, he has 114 declared MPs, more than Johnson on 50 and Mordaunt on 22 combined.
However, the 50 Tory MPs backing Johnson if they voted with Labour would overturn the Tory majority of 80. So Sunak will need Johnson backing MPs to support him to get legislation and budgets through. So Rishi needs Boris in his Cabinet or at least behind him to have a working government
Er, that woukld lead to Mr Sunak not being PM and a GE, cos the Sunakites wouldn't support Mr J as PM (though Labour might). What's the point of Mr Johnson destroying a Conservative government, apart of course so he can be king once again?
Yes it would lead to a GE and likely Starmer government if Johnson supporters decided better for a Sunak leadership to crash and burn quickly at the hands of the electorate leaving their man to pick up the pieces in opposition.
So as I see it Sunak needs Boris supporters on board to ensure he can sustain a workable government into next year and beyond until the next general election by offering Boris something he could accept
This idea of a Sunak / Johnson agreement sounds like an unlikely manoeuvre but it could work if the personalities allow it. It would be like a sort of coalition government between the different factions of the Conservative Party. Also, if Johnson performing some role in the government itself (probably Foreign Secretary), then it would have some political credibility in terms of not calling a General Election, they can claim Johnson is still around and the manifesto is still being implemented.
All Johnson can offer is some sort of promise to keep the nutters on board. But their loyalty isn’t to him, but to their wacky world view, and Johnson is too lazy and unbothered to put in any effort to deliver on his commitment. So it would be worthless.
I expect he’s landed a nice safe seat somewhere - watch this space!
The fundamental problem is that the tories have got a large number of MPs who feel vindicated by their stance on Brexit. And now, they are looking for 'the next Brexit' to repeat their successes. They haven't reconciled themselves to being the incumbents, they want to be the permanent radicals. They need to be told to either keep their heads down and shut up, or get lost.
I’d imagine it’s quite embarrassing now if you have endorsed Johnson - willing to forgive serious misdemeanour in government for the sake of your seat/ career
He was an original Brexiteer. He can talk about regulatory divergence whereas Labour will want to keep the status quo in preparation for rejoinig the single market. He has a northern England seat. He can talk about race/immigration/patriotism without it offending people. He plans to boost capital investment paid for by corporation tax rises.
He is brown and there are lots of Racists in the red wall particularly old men who are normally Tory voters see Jerry from Lowestoft as an example
I think you said a bit ago you had lost 50kg but had a way to go before you dropped out of the morbidly obese category? Then upthread you make an exceedingly amusing joke about Sunak's stature, but his skin colour is apparently off limits. Confusing.
31.9KG ie 5 Stone not 50KG lost, now weigh circa 100KG and been back on food for 6 weeks without regaining any weight which i am happy with. No longer diabetic either
I think skin colour is off limits TBF
Height and weight not so much I remember either yourself or Felix referred to me as Fat Owl after a PB meet cant remember which of you but although unkind it was/is true
He was an original Brexiteer. He can talk about regulatory divergence whereas Labour will want to keep the status quo in preparation for rejoinig the single market. He has a northern England seat. He can talk about race/immigration/patriotism without it offending people. He plans to boost capital investment paid for by corporation tax rises.
He is brown and there are lots of Racists in the red wall particularly old men who are normally Tory voters see Jerry from Lowestoft as an example
It is more redwall than safe Tory, Kinnock won Ipswich in 1992 and Corbyn won Ipswich in 2017 despite the fact they both lost nationally
Red wall is tradtionally Labour seats in the North and Midlands. Ipswich is neither traditionally Labour nor in the North or Midlands. You cant just apply 'red wall' to anything Labour hold like some free styling maniac
In the last 40 years Labour have won Ipswich at 7 general elections out of 11 but Labour have only won nationally at 3 general elections out of 11 in that time.
Ipswich is therefore closer to the redwall than either safe Tory or even bellwether marginal seat
It really isn't. The RedWall are the previously safe seats where for 70 years you weighed the Labour ballots rather than counted them. They tend, although not exclusively, to be areas where primary or tertiary industries prevailed. The voters in these areas have been let down by Labour nationally and locally for decades which is why they turned to Brexit and Johnson. That isn't Ipswich
The West Midlands Mayor has said he has declined a pay rise due to the cost of living crisis. Conservative Andy Street said he was offered a £16,000 salary increase, as recommended by the Independent Remuneration Panel. He has remained on the same annual salary of £79,000 since he was first elected in 2017. Mr Street told the BBC it seemed "wrong" to accept the pay increase in the current economic climate. "It's very straightforward," he said. "At this time when so many people are facing challenges in their personal finances it just seems wrong for me to take what's actually a pretty substantial pay increase."
He was an original Brexiteer. He can talk about regulatory divergence whereas Labour will want to keep the status quo in preparation for rejoinig the single market. He has a northern England seat. He can talk about race/immigration/patriotism without it offending people. He plans to boost capital investment paid for by corporation tax rises.
He is brown and there are lots of Racists in the red wall particularly old men who are normally Tory voters see Jerry from Lowestoft as an example
I think you said a bit ago you had lost 50kg but had a way to go before you dropped out of the morbidly obese category? Then upthread you make an exceedingly amusing joke about Sunak's stature, but his skin colour is apparently off limits. Confusing.
31.9KG ie 5 Stone not 50KG lost, now weigh circa 100KG and been back on food for 6 weeks without regaining any weight which i am happy with. No longer diabetic either
I think skin colour is off limits TBF
Height and weight not so much I remember either yourself or Felix referred to me as Fat Owl after a PB meet cant remember which of you but although unkind it was/is true
Not me, never met you, wouldn't call you that if I had.
I’d imagine it’s quite embarrassing now if you have endorsed Johnson - willing to forgive serious misdemeanour in government for the sake of your seat/ career
He’s upto 55 now . Another traitor to the country from Wrexham is supporting the pathological liar .
He was an original Brexiteer. He can talk about regulatory divergence whereas Labour will want to keep the status quo in preparation for rejoinig the single market. He has a northern England seat. He can talk about race/immigration/patriotism without it offending people. He plans to boost capital investment paid for by corporation tax rises.
He is brown and there are lots of Racists in the red wall particularly old men who are normally Tory voters see Jerry from Lowestoft as an example
It is more redwall than safe Tory, Kinnock won Ipswich in 1992 and Corbyn won Ipswich in 2017 despite the fact they both lost nationally
Red wall is tradtionally Labour seats in the North and Midlands. Ipswich is neither traditionally Labour nor in the North or Midlands. You cant just apply 'red wall' to anything Labour hold like some free styling maniac
In the last 40 years Labour have won Ipswich at 7 general elections out of 11 but Labour have only won nationally at 3 general elections out of 11 in that time.
Ipswich is therefore closer to the redwall than either safe Tory or even bellwether marginal seat
But it isnt red wall. Its a marginal Eastern England seat.
So up to 2010 it was a Labour leaning marginal, which the Cons could win in a really good year. The 2010 boundary changes seem to have helped the Cons and since then it has been much more marginal. In 2019, Ipswich voted as the nation (Con 11 points ahead of Lab)
I wonder whether this Johnson/Sunak meeting will happen?
The feeling I'm getting is Sunak is pushing it into the long grass as it looks increasingly unlikely he will need to offer Johnson anything. The 100 MP ramping earlier appears to have backfired rather badly - looked rather desperate.
Sunak will almost certainly become leader and PM now, he has 114 declared Conservative MPs nominating him, more than Johnson on 50 and Mordaunt on 22 combined and already over the 100 nomination threshold required with more backing him all the time.
However, the 50 Tory MPs backing Johnson if they voted with Labour would overturn the Tory majority of 80. So Sunak will need Johnson backing MPs to support him to get legislation and budgets through. So Rishi needs Boris in his Cabinet or at least behind him to have a working government
If the 50 Tories voted with Labour they would lose the whip and their seats at the next election. Why would they do that? Do they love Boris that much?
Depends, if their associations still backed them as candidates they could stand as Boris Conservatives in their seats and if their seats are sufficiently pro Boris would probably beat the official Tory candidate given they were already the incumbent
Nah. This is like those Ultra Remain Tories who thought they represented their constituents views when they quit the Tory party and stood on a pro-EU ticket in 2019. They will sink without trace.
The West Midlands Mayor has said he has declined a pay rise due to the cost of living crisis. Conservative Andy Street said he was offered a £16,000 salary increase, as recommended by the Independent Remuneration Panel. He has remained on the same annual salary of £79,000 since he was first elected in 2017. Mr Street told the BBC it seemed "wrong" to accept the pay increase in the current economic climate. "It's very straightforward," he said. "At this time when so many people are facing challenges in their personal finances it just seems wrong for me to take what's actually a pretty substantial pay increase."
What gibberish. He’s privately wealthy, so it makes no difference to him. But he’s essentially saying that running Britain’s second or third largest city is barely worth the pay of a head teacher.
He was an original Brexiteer. He can talk about regulatory divergence whereas Labour will want to keep the status quo in preparation for rejoinig the single market. He has a northern England seat. He can talk about race/immigration/patriotism without it offending people. He plans to boost capital investment paid for by corporation tax rises.
He is brown and there are lots of Racists in the red wall particularly old men who are normally Tory voters see Jerry from Lowestoft as an example
It is more redwall than safe Tory, Kinnock won Ipswich in 1992 and Corbyn won Ipswich in 2017 despite the fact they both lost nationally
Red wall is tradtionally Labour seats in the North and Midlands. Ipswich is neither traditionally Labour nor in the North or Midlands. You cant just apply 'red wall' to anything Labour hold like some free styling maniac
In the last 40 years Labour have won Ipswich at 7 general elections out of 11 but Labour have only won nationally at 3 general elections out of 11 in that time.
Ipswich is therefore closer to the redwall than either safe Tory or even bellwether marginal seat
The issue is that “red wall” has a specific meaning that may or may not be useful
Stretching that term to include classic marginal seats like Ipswich strips it off any value by making the term meaningless
I’d imagine it’s quite embarrassing now if you have endorsed Johnson - willing to forgive serious misdemeanour in government for the sake of your seat/ career
He’s upto 55 now . Another traitor to the country from Wrexham is supporting the pathological liar .
there is some obsessive hyperbole in PB these days -
He was an original Brexiteer. He can talk about regulatory divergence whereas Labour will want to keep the status quo in preparation for rejoinig the single market. He has a northern England seat. He can talk about race/immigration/patriotism without it offending people. He plans to boost capital investment paid for by corporation tax rises.
He is brown and there are lots of Racists in the red wall particularly old men who are normally Tory voters see Jerry from Lowestoft as an example
I think you said a bit ago you had lost 50kg but had a way to go before you dropped out of the morbidly obese category? Then upthread you make an exceedingly amusing joke about Sunak's stature, but his skin colour is apparently off limits. Confusing.
31.9KG ie 5 Stone not 50KG lost, now weigh circa 100KG and been back on food for 6 weeks without regaining any weight which i am happy with. No longer diabetic either
I think skin colour is off limits TBF
Height and weight not so much I remember either yourself or Felix referred to me as Fat Owl after a PB meet cant remember which of you but although unkind it was/is true
Good stuff. I am also down 5 stone. Sadly I still have another 3 to lose to get to a reasonable weight. Still. Heading in the right direction steadily
I’d imagine it’s quite embarrassing now if you have endorsed Johnson - willing to forgive serious misdemeanour in government for the sake of your seat/ career
He’s upto 55 now . Another traitor to the country from Wrexham is supporting the pathological liar .
there is some obsessive hyperbole in PB these days -
That’s why we love it ! Anyone supporting Johnson is vermin especially after the last few months .
I wonder whether this Johnson/Sunak meeting will happen?
The feeling I'm getting is Sunak is pushing it into the long grass as it looks increasingly unlikely he will need to offer Johnson anything. The 100 MP ramping earlier appears to have backfired rather badly - looked rather desperate.
Sunak will almost certainly become leader now, he has 114 declared MPs, more than Johnson on 50 and Mordaunt on 22 combined.
However, the 50 Tory MPs backing Johnson if they voted with Labour would overturn the Tory majority of 80. So Sunak will need Johnson backing MPs to support him to get legislation and budgets through. So Rishi needs Boris in his Cabinet or at least behind him to have a working government
Er, that woukld lead to Mr Sunak not being PM and a GE, cos the Sunakites wouldn't support Mr J as PM (though Labour might). What's the point of Mr Johnson destroying a Conservative government, apart of course so he can be king once again?
Yes it would lead to a GE and likely Starmer government if Johnson supporters decided better for a Sunak leadership to crash and burn quickly at the hands of the electorate leaving their man to pick up the pieces in opposition.
So as I see it Sunak needs Boris supporters on board to ensure he can sustain a workable government into next year and beyond until the next general election by offering Boris something he could accept
This idea of a Sunak / Johnson agreement sounds like an unlikely manoeuvre but it could work if the personalities allow it. It would be like a sort of coalition government between the different factions of the Conservative Party. Also, if Johnson performing some role in the government itself (probably Foreign Secretary), then it would have some political credibility in terms of not calling a General Election, they can claim Johnson is still around and the manifesto is still being implemented.
All Johnson can offer is some sort of promise to keep the nutters on board. But their loyalty isn’t to him, but to their wacky world view, and Johnson is too lazy and unbothered to put in any effort to deliver on his commitment. So it would be worthless.
I expect he’s landed a nice safe seat somewhere - watch this space!
The fundamental problem is that the tories have got a large number of MPs who feel vindicated by their stance on Brexit. And now, they are looking for 'the next Brexit' to repeat their successes. They haven't reconciled themselves to being the incumbents, they want to be the permanent radicals. They need to be told to either keep their heads down and shut up, or get lost.
I agree. But there's a lack of time now. I suspect the next PM will have little choice but a 2023 election - the time to knuckle down and be serious about creating a substantive, positive record on which to stand for re-election has, arguably, passed. So I suspect a lot of MPs realise they should have been serious and had a non-frivilous PM 2019-2022, but tend to feel that ship has sailed and so double down on permanent revolution.
He was an original Brexiteer. He can talk about regulatory divergence whereas Labour will want to keep the status quo in preparation for rejoinig the single market. He has a northern England seat. He can talk about race/immigration/patriotism without it offending people. He plans to boost capital investment paid for by corporation tax rises.
He is brown and there are lots of Racists in the red wall particularly old men who are normally Tory voters see Jerry from Lowestoft as an example
It is more redwall than safe Tory, Kinnock won Ipswich in 1992 and Corbyn won Ipswich in 2017 despite the fact they both lost nationally
Red wall is tradtionally Labour seats in the North and Midlands. Ipswich is neither traditionally Labour nor in the North or Midlands. You cant just apply 'red wall' to anything Labour hold like some free styling maniac
I think the term red wall generally applies to those seats where the average per capitia income or wealth is not a natural tory seat - so it can be anywhere - people are not voting tory in these seats because they are wealthy
The clue is “wall”. It refers to previously Labour seats considered safe, where the progressive realignment leading up to and since Brexit has delivered them, surprisingly, into the Tory column. A seat that has been Tory in the 1980s and again in 2010 doesn’t fit the bill.
Yup. IIRC it came from US politics, the "blue wall" of traditionally Democratic-leaning Midwest states that Hilary Clinton lost to Trump in 2016.
I’d imagine it’s quite embarrassing now if you have endorsed Johnson - willing to forgive serious misdemeanour in government for the sake of your seat/ career
He’s upto 55 now . Another traitor to the country from Wrexham is supporting the pathological liar .
there is some obsessive hyperbole in PB these days -
That’s why we love it ! Anyone supporting Johnson is vermin especially after the last few months .
Voters won't remember who backed Boris next week let along at the next election.
The West Midlands Mayor has said he has declined a pay rise due to the cost of living crisis. Conservative Andy Street said he was offered a £16,000 salary increase, as recommended by the Independent Remuneration Panel. He has remained on the same annual salary of £79,000 since he was first elected in 2017. Mr Street told the BBC it seemed "wrong" to accept the pay increase in the current economic climate. "It's very straightforward," he said. "At this time when so many people are facing challenges in their personal finances it just seems wrong for me to take what's actually a pretty substantial pay increase."
What gibberish. He’s privately wealthy, so it makes no difference to him. But he’s essentially saying that running Britain’s second or third largest city is barely worth the pay of a head teacher.
And what would you have written if he’d accepted it?
Boris Johnson's trajectory bears a bit of resemblance to that of Herbert Hoover. With caveat that HH was NOT forced to resign for ethical/comedic reasons.
But both Herb & Boris were elected as heads of govt by historic landslides over opponents (Al Smith in 1928, Jeremy Corbyn in 2019) with serious personal & policy demerits in eyes of LOTS of voters, including traditional supporters of their own party.
And both famously peaked on Election Day, and within a year were hit by major global crisis that upended the world economy and imposed substantial hardships of millions that was exacerbated rather than alleviated (with a few exceptions such Hoover Dam and BoJab) by government action AND (more often) inaction.
In terms of personality and persona, hard to imagine a pair more dissimilar than this odd couple!
I’d imagine it’s quite embarrassing now if you have endorsed Johnson - willing to forgive serious misdemeanour in government for the sake of your seat/ career
He’s upto 55 now . Another traitor to the country from Wrexham is supporting the pathological liar .
there is some obsessive hyperbole in PB these days -
They think I’m gorgeous over on ConHome. Just saying like.
I went round to give them a pep talk, soothe the tortured brow and that, I’m quite well trained and practised in counselling now, but if anything they are a lot more measured and relaxed over on ConHome than here on hyperbolic PB.
I would also confidently tell you ConHome is overall to the left of PB. ConHome is a nest of remainers, almost everyone blaming the Tory Parties struggles on Brexit. There’s also quite a lot of pre Thatcherite wets haunting the place - anyone who suggests a dose of good old Thatcherism to get the party out of this mess gets piled on. 🥺
He was an original Brexiteer. He can talk about regulatory divergence whereas Labour will want to keep the status quo in preparation for rejoinig the single market. He has a northern England seat. He can talk about race/immigration/patriotism without it offending people. He plans to boost capital investment paid for by corporation tax rises.
He is brown and there are lots of Racists in the red wall particularly old men who are normally Tory voters see Jerry from Lowestoft as an example
It is more redwall than safe Tory, Kinnock won Ipswich in 1992 and Corbyn won Ipswich in 2017 despite the fact they both lost nationally
Red wall is tradtionally Labour seats in the North and Midlands. Ipswich is neither traditionally Labour nor in the North or Midlands. You cant just apply 'red wall' to anything Labour hold like some free styling maniac
In the last 40 years Labour have won Ipswich at 7 general elections out of 11 but Labour have only won nationally at 3 general elections out of 11 in that time.
Ipswich is therefore closer to the redwall than either safe Tory or even bellwether marginal seat
But it isnt red wall. Its a marginal Eastern England seat.
Are there Tory voters in the Red Wall seats that wont vote Sunak cos they are Racists?
Forget fookin Lowestoft
I posted an example of a self described "typical Tory member" who just happened to introduce himself as "Jerry from Lowestoft"
The point is he is not voting for Sunak because he is brown and doesnt love England like Boris does he was made to look very foolish by the host
I’d imagine it’s quite embarrassing now if you have endorsed Johnson - willing to forgive serious misdemeanour in government for the sake of your seat/ career
He’s upto 55 now . Another traitor to the country from Wrexham is supporting the pathological liar .
there is some obsessive hyperbole in PB these days -
That’s why we love it ! Anyone supporting Johnson is vermin especially after the last few months .
Voters won't remember who backed Boris next week let along at the next election.
I’m sure Labour and the Lib Dems will be happy to remind them . When push came to shove they put their own interests above the country . Shameful .
The West Midlands Mayor has said he has declined a pay rise due to the cost of living crisis. Conservative Andy Street said he was offered a £16,000 salary increase, as recommended by the Independent Remuneration Panel. He has remained on the same annual salary of £79,000 since he was first elected in 2017. Mr Street told the BBC it seemed "wrong" to accept the pay increase in the current economic climate. "It's very straightforward," he said. "At this time when so many people are facing challenges in their personal finances it just seems wrong for me to take what's actually a pretty substantial pay increase."
What gibberish. He’s privately wealthy, so it makes no difference to him. But he’s essentially saying that running Britain’s second or third largest city is barely worth the pay of a head teacher.
You can't win either way. You take the pay rise, you are called privately wealthy greedy f##ker, you don't take the pay rise, you are called privately wealthy so still no idea about the common man.
He was an original Brexiteer. He can talk about regulatory divergence whereas Labour will want to keep the status quo in preparation for rejoinig the single market. He has a northern England seat. He can talk about race/immigration/patriotism without it offending people. He plans to boost capital investment paid for by corporation tax rises.
He is brown and there are lots of Racists in the red wall particularly old men who are normally Tory voters see Jerry from Lowestoft as an example
It is more redwall than safe Tory, Kinnock won Ipswich in 1992 and Corbyn won Ipswich in 2017 despite the fact they both lost nationally
Red wall is tradtionally Labour seats in the North and Midlands. Ipswich is neither traditionally Labour nor in the North or Midlands. You cant just apply 'red wall' to anything Labour hold like some free styling maniac
In the last 40 years Labour have won Ipswich at 7 general elections out of 11 but Labour have only won nationally at 3 general elections out of 11 in that time.
Ipswich is therefore closer to the redwall than either safe Tory or even bellwether marginal seat
But it isnt red wall. Its a marginal Eastern England seat.
Are there Tory voters in the Red Wall seats that wont vote Sunak cos they are Racists?
Forget fookin Lowestoft
I posted an example of a self described "typical Tory member" who just happened to introduce himself as "Jerry from Lowestoft"
The point is he is not voting for Sunak because he is brown and doesnt love England like Boris does he was made to look very foolish by the host
He was an original Brexiteer. He can talk about regulatory divergence whereas Labour will want to keep the status quo in preparation for rejoinig the single market. He has a northern England seat. He can talk about race/immigration/patriotism without it offending people. He plans to boost capital investment paid for by corporation tax rises.
He is brown and there are lots of Racists in the red wall particularly old men who are normally Tory voters see Jerry from Lowestoft as an example
It is more redwall than safe Tory, Kinnock won Ipswich in 1992 and Corbyn won Ipswich in 2017 despite the fact they both lost nationally
Red wall is tradtionally Labour seats in the North and Midlands. Ipswich is neither traditionally Labour nor in the North or Midlands. You cant just apply 'red wall' to anything Labour hold like some free styling maniac
I think the term red wall generally applies to those seats where the average per capitia income or wealth is not a natural tory seat - so it can be anywhere - people are not voting tory in these seats because they are wealthy
The clue is “wall”. It refers to previously Labour seats considered safe, where the progressive realignment leading up to and since Brexit has delivered them, surprisingly, into the Tory column. A seat that has been Tory in the 1980s and again in 2010 doesn’t fit the bill.
Yup. IIRC it came from US politics, the "blue wall" of traditionally Democratic-leaning Midwest states that Hilary Clinton lost to Trump in 2016.
Michigan and Pennsylvania voted for Reagan and Bush 41, Wisconsin also voted for Reagan, so not a million miles from Ipswich really ie Democrat leaning swing states like Ipswich is a Labour leaning marginal if you would want to be that pedantic about what is a wall or not
The West Midlands Mayor has said he has declined a pay rise due to the cost of living crisis. Conservative Andy Street said he was offered a £16,000 salary increase, as recommended by the Independent Remuneration Panel. He has remained on the same annual salary of £79,000 since he was first elected in 2017. Mr Street told the BBC it seemed "wrong" to accept the pay increase in the current economic climate. "It's very straightforward," he said. "At this time when so many people are facing challenges in their personal finances it just seems wrong for me to take what's actually a pretty substantial pay increase."
What gibberish. He’s privately wealthy, so it makes no difference to him. But he’s essentially saying that running Britain’s second or third largest city is barely worth the pay of a head teacher.
And what would you have written if he’d accepted it?
Even with that increase, it’s not enough. It ought to be understood as one of the biggest (political) jobs in the country.
He was an original Brexiteer. He can talk about regulatory divergence whereas Labour will want to keep the status quo in preparation for rejoinig the single market. He has a northern England seat. He can talk about race/immigration/patriotism without it offending people. He plans to boost capital investment paid for by corporation tax rises.
He is brown and there are lots of Racists in the red wall particularly old men who are normally Tory voters see Jerry from Lowestoft as an example
It is more redwall than safe Tory, Kinnock won Ipswich in 1992 and Corbyn won Ipswich in 2017 despite the fact they both lost nationally
Red wall is tradtionally Labour seats in the North and Midlands. Ipswich is neither traditionally Labour nor in the North or Midlands. You cant just apply 'red wall' to anything Labour hold like some free styling maniac
In the last 40 years Labour have won Ipswich at 7 general elections out of 11 but Labour have only won nationally at 3 general elections out of 11 in that time.
Ipswich is therefore closer to the redwall than either safe Tory or even bellwether marginal seat
It really isn't. The RedWall are the previously safe seats where for 70 years you weighed the Labour ballots rather than counted them. They tend, although not exclusively, to be areas where primary or tertiary industries prevailed. The voters in these areas have been let down by Labour nationally and locally for decades which is why they turned to Brexit and Johnson. That isn't Ipswich
It's obvious this is what's going to happen. He hasn't got the noms and wants to hold a meeting with Sunak to salvage what he can and endorse him accordingly.
If Boris withdraws tonight he flys out to 75-80 almost immediately (not 1000 as lots of people will try and dump him and they'll doubt it's true) and Rishi will fly into 1.08 or 1.09.
Therefore, back him in the next couple of hours before it's too late.
The West Midlands Mayor has said he has declined a pay rise due to the cost of living crisis. Conservative Andy Street said he was offered a £16,000 salary increase, as recommended by the Independent Remuneration Panel. He has remained on the same annual salary of £79,000 since he was first elected in 2017. Mr Street told the BBC it seemed "wrong" to accept the pay increase in the current economic climate. "It's very straightforward," he said. "At this time when so many people are facing challenges in their personal finances it just seems wrong for me to take what's actually a pretty substantial pay increase."
What gibberish. He’s privately wealthy, so it makes no difference to him. But he’s essentially saying that running Britain’s second or third largest city is barely worth the pay of a head teacher.
You can't win either way. You take the pay rise, you are called privately wealthy greedy f##ker, you don't take the pay rise, you are called privately wealthy so still no idea about the common man.
You can’t bitch about the quality of politicians and then in the next breath deny them professional salaries.
I’d imagine it’s quite embarrassing now if you have endorsed Johnson - willing to forgive serious misdemeanour in government for the sake of your seat/ career
He’s upto 55 now . Another traitor to the country from Wrexham is supporting the pathological liar .
there is some obsessive hyperbole in PB these days -
They think I’m gorgeous over on ConHome. Just saying like.
I went round to give them a pep talk, soothe the tortured brow and that, I’m quite well trained and practised in counselling now, but if anything they are a lot more measured and relaxed over on ConHome than here on hyperbolic PB.
I would also confidently tell you ConHome is overall to the left of PB. ConHome is a nest of remainers, almost everyone blaming the Tory Parties struggles on Brexit. There’s also quite a lot of pre Thatcherite wets haunting the place - anyone who suggests a dose of good old Thatcherism to get the party out of this mess gets piled on. 🥺
Teasing the unenlightened masses at ConHome seems somehow mean though 🤨
Difficult to know if this is spoof or real. I’m going with “real”
“This flag combines 40 different flags from LGBTQIA+ communities around the world, including: Abrosexual, Aceflux, Agender, Ambiamorous, Androgynous, Aroace, Aroflux, Aromantic, Asexual, Bigender, Bisexual, Demifluid, Demigender, Demigirl, Demiromantic, Demisexual, Gay/MLM/Vinician, Genderfluid, Genderflux, Genderqueer, Gender questioning, Graysexual, Intersex, Lesbian, Maverique, Neutrois, Nonbinary, Omnisexual, Pangender, Pansexual, Polyamorous, Polysexual, Transgender, Trigender, Two Spirit, Progress Pride, Queer, Unlabeled.”
It's a load of absolute bullcrap. The alphabet soup acronym is meaningless (and so, I suspect, are most of these individual terms: either complete waffle or numerous different ways of describing precisely the same thing.)
For the avoidance of doubt, I am gay. A homosexual male. Why I've suddenly been described by some clueless dolt at a software house as "Gay/MLM/Vinician" Christ only knows. What is a Vinician anyway? It sounds like one of the non-recurring baddies from 1970s Doctor Who.
I mean, just, enough already.
This is the kind of thing that gives Woke a bad name. Also giving me a headache looking at it.
Though worth noting, that is homage to the graphic, cultural and above all vexillological influence to the Union Flag aka Union Jack, in particular pattern of stripes at complementary angles radiating from central point.
Also worth pointing out, there IS such as thing, as too much of a good thing.
It is made worse by the fact that the term is Vincian not Vinician.
The thinking behind it has the best of intentions but is based on very muddled beliefs.
I too think of myself as a gay man. I am never going to apologize for that. Nor should I ever be made to feel guilty for not wishing to give in to the new orthodoxy that seeks to delete sexuality in favour of gender.
Original Rainbow Flag was great! And still is. KISS.
It's obvious this is what's going to happen. He hasn't got the noms and wants to hold a meeting with Sunak to salvage what he can and endorse him accordingly.
If Boris withdraws tonight he flys out to 75-80 almost immediately (not 1000 as lots of people will try and dump him and they'll doubt it's true) and Rishi will fly into 1.08 or 1.09.
Therefore, back him in the next couple of hours before it's too late.
It's obvious this is what's going to happen. He hasn't got the noms and wants to hold a meeting with Sunak to salvage what he can and endorse him accordingly.
If Boris withdraws tonight he flys out to 75-80 almost immediately (not 1000 as lots of people will try and dump him and they'll doubt it's true) and Rishi will fly into 1.08 or 1.09.
Therefore, back him in the next couple of hours before it's too late.
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Immediate GE would be their best bet, I recon.
I expect he’s landed a nice safe seat somewhere - watch this space!
You cant just apply 'red wall' to anything Labour hold like some free styling maniac
The clip from LBC is showing the racism of a self described typical Tory member his location is completely irrelevant other than he introduces himself as "Jerry from Lowestoft".
I omitted the quotation marks in my original post but assumed people would be intelligent enough to understand the point I was making.
Obviously I overestimated you
Still far from clear what's going to happen. Sunak has enough declarations to be in the race but whether either Johnson or Mordaunt will get over the 100 nomination hurdle remains to be seen.
As MPs aren't obliged to nominate any candidate it may be Sunak will be the winner by Monday.
IF Johnson gets the nominations required, how does the indicative vote play out? In 1990, when Major won 185 votes on the second ballot, both Heseltine and Hurd withdrew but there was no members' ballot then. How far ahead does Sunak need to be to get his coronation - I'd argue if he got 210 votes or more the pressure on Johnson to withdraw would be irresistible but if Sunak polled 190 and Johnson got 165 it would be much harder to argue the mandate so off to the members (those with email addresses) it would go.
For those desperate for unity in the Conservative Party as the only way of staving off a catastrophic election defeat the question then becomes the personal relationship between Johnson and Sunak. It's not a question of Sunak offering Johnson a post - he doesn't have to and it seems incongruous for a previous PM to go back to serve under another PM - but the public declaration of loyalty/support would be enough.
As we recall from the mid 90s, it doesn't help to have a former leader or his/her "friends" making "noises off" and that has to be the worry for Sunak.
From there, we have to ask what a Sunak Cabinet looks like - I'm convinced Javid will get a big job but can Hunt be moved without unsettling the markets? In any case, the financial backdrop remains difficult to say the least.
We've debated here the usefulness or otherwise of the term, and indeed whether it is possible to define. But common features are Midlands or North of England (which Ipswich isn't) and that historically it's been pretty solidly Labour until 2019. Ipswich was an odd one in that respect as it was Labour in 1983, but it was Tory 1987-92 and again 2010-17 (as well as since 2019).
Ipswich is therefore closer to the redwall than either safe Tory or even bellwether marginal seat
So lowestoft remains nowhere near the red wall.
LGB is about who you are attracted to. T is about who you think you are - and Prick News appears to focus on T to the exclusion of much else.
The fact that TRAs resort to abuse and violence seeking “No Debate” shows how weak their arguments are. The people I feel
sorry for are genuine Trans people - caught up in an authoritarian left campaign with not a few Autogynphiles in their ranks.
In terms of the country I don’t think he’d trash its reputation and the influence of the ERG will reduce . He might be more pragmatic when it comes to the EU and the NI protocol .
I also think he’s beatable at the next GE. The out of touch accusations will hurt him in the Red Wall but I think he’ll help the Tories in the south .
If I’m going to have to suffer two more years of the Tories a Sunak premiership is easier to stomach .
'Rishi Sunak isn't even British!'
Sangita Myska eviscerates this racist caller who says Tory party member won't vote for Sunak because 'he doesn't represent Britain'.
My point was exactly the same as yours there are plenty of "Jerrys from Lowestoft" in red wall seats
My 2nd worst holiday experience happened in Lowestoft when i was waist deep in water in a flooded shop next to the station after a sudden downpour with my 5 year old daughter on my shoulders. As the water got ever nearer to the raised live electricity plugs i forced the shopkeeper to open the doors and let us out and waded chest deep across the depression in front of the shop.
Got on a train back to Yarmouth dripping like a leaky hosepipe
On the other hand my parents in law who live in Thanet South constituency like Sunak but there are some who think Sunak is too rich to be PM irrespective of his race. Sunak is elitist rich like say Macron or Romney or Bloomberg or Kerry, rather than populist rich like say Trump or Berlusconi
Redwall, on the other hand, is a fictional Abbey.
I think skin colour is off limits TBF
Height and weight not so much I remember either yourself or Felix referred to me as Fat Owl after a PB meet cant remember which of you but although unkind it was/is true
That isn't Ipswich
Conservative Andy Street said he was offered a £16,000 salary increase, as recommended by the Independent Remuneration Panel.
He has remained on the same annual salary of £79,000 since he was first elected in 2017.
Mr Street told the BBC it seemed "wrong" to accept the pay increase in the current economic climate.
"It's very straightforward," he said. "At this time when so many people are facing challenges in their personal finances it just seems wrong for me to take what's actually a pretty substantial pay increase."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-63359887
1992 L+9
1997 L+9
2001 L+12
2005 L+10
2010 L+3
2015 C+1
2017 L+4
2019 Even
So up to 2010 it was a Labour leaning marginal, which the Cons could win in a really good year. The 2010 boundary changes seem to have helped the Cons and since then it has been much more marginal. In 2019, Ipswich voted as the nation (Con 11 points ahead of Lab)
67 of Truss' 158 have declared 61.2% for Boris
My prediction is therefore:
Sunak 155 (+6 from this morning)
Boris 110 (-4)
(Mordaunt 30)
Others we will never find out.
He’s privately wealthy, so it makes no difference to him. But he’s essentially saying that running Britain’s second or third largest city is barely worth the pay of a head teacher.
Stretching that term to include classic marginal seats like Ipswich strips it off any value by making the term meaningless
https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1583894436148178944
Gobbling up Sunak at a range of prices between 1.25 to 1.34
But both Herb & Boris were elected as heads of govt by historic landslides over opponents (Al Smith in 1928, Jeremy Corbyn in 2019) with serious personal & policy demerits in eyes of LOTS of voters, including traditional supporters of their own party.
And both famously peaked on Election Day, and within a year were hit by major global crisis that upended the world economy and imposed substantial hardships of millions that was exacerbated rather than alleviated (with a few exceptions such Hoover Dam and BoJab) by government action AND (more often) inaction.
In terms of personality and persona, hard to imagine a pair more dissimilar than this odd couple!
Hoobert Heever > Jorish Bohnson?
And I’m using Guido’s numbers.
I went round to give them a pep talk, soothe the tortured brow and that, I’m quite well trained and practised in counselling now, but if anything they are a lot more measured and relaxed over on ConHome than here on hyperbolic PB.
I would also confidently tell you ConHome is overall to the left of PB. ConHome is a nest of remainers, almost everyone blaming the Tory Parties struggles on Brexit. There’s also quite a lot of pre Thatcherite wets haunting the place - anyone who suggests a dose of good old Thatcherism to get the party out of this mess gets piled on. 🥺
Forget fookin Lowestoft
I posted an example of a self described "typical Tory member" who just happened to introduce himself as "Jerry from Lowestoft"
The point is he is not voting for Sunak because he is brown and doesnt love England like Boris does he was made to look very foolish by the host
HIS GEOGRAPHICAL LOCATION IS IRRELEVANT FFS
NEW THREAD
Oh shit its me
It ought to be understood as one of the biggest (political) jobs in the country.
Cabinet level.
On account of him being a fat fuck.
If Boris withdraws tonight he flys out to 75-80 almost immediately (not 1000 as lots of people will try and dump him and they'll doubt it's true) and Rishi will fly into 1.08 or 1.09.
Therefore, back him in the next couple of hours before it's too late.
DYOR
Still too late though.