Difficult to know if this is spoof or real. I’m going with “real”
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Once everyone is a minority, no one is.
Everyone is a minority of one, hence an individual.
We are at the horseshoe point.
That was what I was driving at. Chop up minorities into too small interest groups and all you’re back to is “everyone is an individual so treat them the same”, which doesn’t advance anyone’s cause.
The Badenoch move to Sunak is very encouraging as it leaves somewhat more of a rump of the diehards who may now be properly marginalised within the party. A Sunak leadership could continue the excellent start made by Hunt in restoring the nation's economic credibility. Of course none of it altars the fact that we are broke but that is a reality for many other countries in Europe right now and it is also clear that Labour has this reality to face after the next election which will limit the damage they can do. It's possible, not certain, but possible that a massive landslide can be avoided. That is very good for politics. One bonus of the Labour revival in Scotland is that it may be very bad news for the SNP and Independence. Either way interesting times ahead.
A special envoy to the Ukraine is the blindingly obvious job. Tasked with trying to ensure other nations don't get bored of helping out and giving his fellow comedian a visit from time to time. He can then mix all that travel in with doing some nice paid speaking gigs (and it keeps him away from parliament causing trouble). Win win win.
It remains my view that Johnson isn’t going to run.
His behaviour is peculiar, but no doubt motivated by a desire to make Sunak’s life as uncomfortable as he can for as long as he can, and perhaps to extract concessions.
There are three possibilities as to where we are now:
- he has (or is confident he will get) 100 nominations and intends to run - ditto, but he doesn’t intend to run - he doesn’t have the 100 nominations
I am struggling to see that his current behaviour is compatible with the first? The most you could say is that perhaps he is still deciding between the first and the second. But my money’s on the second or third.
Boris Johnson claims
-No rules were broken -It was a work event -£350m a week for NHS -Brexit will bring prosperity -40 new hospitals -What Russian money? -I did not lie to Commons
The real question, if he doesn’t run, is what Johnson would want?
Some non-job allowing him to posture on the world stage re. Ukraine?
Promise of a safe seat somewhere, whose unlucky constituents will never see him?
What else could he want?
The fuck shouldn't get a job (non or otherwise) and should be left to rot in Uxbridge. So that he either quits, or gets turfed out by Labour at the next election.
"Politics is a blood sport," said Truss as she told staff she was standing down. "And I'm the fox..." The gory inside story of a tumultuous week in British politics which brought down the UK's 56th prime minister...
Off topic, but some of you are interested in the the approaching US mid-term elections: It is possible that Trump will do something in the weeks before the election that will screw up Republican chances even more than he already has. I see no way of putting odds on that without consluting psychiatrists who have studied narcissistic personalities, but I think anyone betting on the US mid-term elections should think about that possibility.
(Could he surprise on the up side, too? So far I can't think of a way he could, but perhaps I just don't have enough imagination.)
Why? Why does this person’s view matter? Why should we believe the anecdote? What is the agenda here? We live in a world where, because of social media, people seem to think that all views carry equal weight. They don’t.
It remains my view that Johnson isn’t going to run.
His behaviour is peculiar, but no doubt motivated by a desire to make Sunak’s life as uncomfortable as he can for as long as he can, and perhaps to extract concessions.
There are three possibilities as to where we are now:
- he has (or is confident he will get) 100 nominations and intends to run - ditto, but he doesn’t intend to run - he doesn’t have the 100 nominations
I am struggling to see that his current behaviour is compatible with the first? The most you could say is that perhaps he is still deciding between the first and the second. But my money’s on the second or third.
Boris Johnson claims
-No rules were broken -It was a work event -£350m a week for NHS -Brexit will bring prosperity -40 new hospitals -What Russian money? -I did not lie to Commons
The real question, if he doesn’t run, is what Johnson would want?
Some non-job allowing him to posture on the world stage re. Ukraine?
Promise of a safe seat somewhere, whose unlucky constituents will never see him?
What else could he want?
The fuck shouldn't get a job (non or otherwise) and should be left to rot in Uxbridge. So that he either quits, or gets turfed out by Labour at the next election.
There’s a perfectly good job for him doing after dinner speeches for £150k a pop. If I were him that’s what I’d do. And he’s quite good at it.
What's weird about these things is how quickly momentum shifts. When his plane landed it was with Boris. Then it became clear even close allies were urging him not to stand. Then we had the "100 names" boost. Now an MP tells me "the word is he's going to back Rishi".
It remains my view that Johnson isn’t going to run.
His behaviour is peculiar, but no doubt motivated by a desire to make Sunak’s life as uncomfortable as he can for as long as he can, and perhaps to extract concessions.
There are three possibilities as to where we are now:
- he has (or is confident he will get) 100 nominations and intends to run - ditto, but he doesn’t intend to run - he doesn’t have the 100 nominations
I am struggling to see that his current behaviour is compatible with the first? The most you could say is that perhaps he is still deciding between the first and the second. But my money’s on the second or third.
Boris Johnson claims
-No rules were broken -It was a work event -£350m a week for NHS -Brexit will bring prosperity -40 new hospitals -What Russian money? -I did not lie to Commons
The real question, if he doesn’t run, is what Johnson would want?
Some non-job allowing him to posture on the world stage re. Ukraine?
Promise of a safe seat somewhere, whose unlucky constituents will never see him?
What else could he want?
The fuck shouldn't get a job (non or otherwise) and should be left to rot in Uxbridge. So that he either quits, or gets turfed out by Labour at the next election.
"Politics is a blood sport," said Truss as she told staff she was standing down. "And I'm the fox..." The gory inside story of a tumultuous week in British politics which brought down the UK's 56th prime minister...
It remains my view that Johnson isn’t going to run.
His behaviour is peculiar, but no doubt motivated by a desire to make Sunak’s life as uncomfortable as he can for as long as he can, and perhaps to extract concessions.
There are three possibilities as to where we are now:
- he has (or is confident he will get) 100 nominations and intends to run - ditto, but he doesn’t intend to run - he doesn’t have the 100 nominations
I am struggling to see that his current behaviour is compatible with the first? The most you could say is that perhaps he is still deciding between the first and the second. But my money’s on the second or third.
Boris Johnson claims
-No rules were broken -It was a work event -£350m a week for NHS -Brexit will bring prosperity -40 new hospitals -What Russian money? -I did not lie to Commons
The real question, if he doesn’t run, is what Johnson would want?
Some non-job allowing him to posture on the world stage re. Ukraine?
Promise of a safe seat somewhere, whose unlucky constituents will never see him?
What else could he want?
The fuck shouldn't get a job (non or otherwise) and should be left to rot in Uxbridge. So that he either quits, or gets turfed out by Labour at the next election.
He doesn't live in Uxbridge,
Isn't he homeless at the moment and relying on sofa surfing?
"Politics is a blood sport," said Truss as she told staff she was standing down. "And I'm the fox..." The gory inside story of a tumultuous week in British politics which brought down the UK's 56th prime minister...
I always thought this was another disaster waiting to happen.
The country is addicted to buying things on tick. Student Loans next up for the "What do we do with this mountain of debt" crisis?
Student loans aren't a personal debt problem, as they aren't really a loan in the traditional sense and if you lose your job / don't earn much, you don't pay.
As has been said numerous times by the likes of Mr Money Saving Expert, they are really a capped graduate tax and ultimately the state will have to pick up the unpaid debt (also I imagine inflation isn't a bad thing on this front as it is inflating away the real value of this debt).
So it will be a problem for all of us eventually, but it isn't on a personal level in the way having a car on tick is.
Eventually students will get a "real" graduate tax, and it will likely cost them more.
It remains my view that Johnson isn’t going to run.
His behaviour is peculiar, but no doubt motivated by a desire to make Sunak’s life as uncomfortable as he can for as long as he can, and perhaps to extract concessions.
There are three possibilities as to where we are now:
- he has (or is confident he will get) 100 nominations and intends to run - ditto, but he doesn’t intend to run - he doesn’t have the 100 nominations
I am struggling to see that his current behaviour is compatible with the first? The most you could say is that perhaps he is still deciding between the first and the second. But my money’s on the second or third.
Boris Johnson claims
-No rules were broken -It was a work event -£350m a week for NHS -Brexit will bring prosperity -40 new hospitals -What Russian money? -I did not lie to Commons
The real question, if he doesn’t run, is what Johnson would want?
Some non-job allowing him to posture on the world stage re. Ukraine?
Promise of a safe seat somewhere, whose unlucky constituents will never see him?
What else could he want?
The fuck shouldn't get a job (non or otherwise) and should be left to rot in Uxbridge. So that he either quits, or gets turfed out by Labour at the next election.
He doesn't live in Uxbridge,
Isn't he homeless at the moment and relying on sofa surfing?
He'll probably have a more luxurious night's sleep than you or I will. We'll have the better of it though.
It remains my view that Johnson isn’t going to run.
His behaviour is peculiar, but no doubt motivated by a desire to make Sunak’s life as uncomfortable as he can for as long as he can, and perhaps to extract concessions.
There are three possibilities as to where we are now:
- he has (or is confident he will get) 100 nominations and intends to run - ditto, but he doesn’t intend to run - he doesn’t have the 100 nominations
I am struggling to see that his current behaviour is compatible with the first? The most you could say is that perhaps he is still deciding between the first and the second. But my money’s on the second or third.
Boris Johnson claims
-No rules were broken -It was a work event -£350m a week for NHS -Brexit will bring prosperity -40 new hospitals -What Russian money? -I did not lie to Commons
The real question, if he doesn’t run, is what Johnson would want?
Some non-job allowing him to posture on the world stage re. Ukraine?
Promise of a safe seat somewhere, whose unlucky constituents will never see him?
What else could he want?
The fuck shouldn't get a job (non or otherwise) and should be left to rot in Uxbridge. So that he either quits, or gets turfed out by Labour at the next election.
He doesn't live in Uxbridge,
Isn't he homeless at the moment and relying on sofa surfing?
He'll probably have a more luxurious night's sleep than you or I will. We'll have the better of it though.
I don't know about that, I don't have two toddlers and an annoying wife disturbing my luxury....and I live very comfortably.
NEW: Badenoch comes out to endorse Sunak. First full current cabinet member to back him and a huge win for him given that Badenoch a key figure on the right of the party
People backing Johnson are trashing their credibility if they had any. And backing Mordaunt looks a cop out. So this is the correct move by Badenoch imo. Bet she didn't have to agonize too much.
Off topic, but some of you are interested in the the approaching US mid-term elections: It is possible that Trump will do something in the weeks before the election that will screw up Republican chances even more than he already has. I see no way of putting odds on that without consluting psychiatrists who have studied narcissistic personalities, but I think anyone betting on the US mid-term elections should think about that possibility.
(Could he surprise on the up side, too? So far I can't think of a way he could, but perhaps I just don't have enough imagination.)
My view is that it is likely there will be a polling error, and it is like to be quite significant, and that it is likely to be in one direction... we just don't know which way yet.
I would therefore look therefore to bet on the Republicans on 46 or 47 seats (44 and 14.5 on Betfair Exchange).
For the Dems (given the two existing Independents who caucus with them), the corresponding bets are probably 44 and 45. I.e., we're betting that someone's going to lose three or four seats, net.
I'd reckon there's a 40% chance that one of the two parties substantially outperforms, and while it's probably the Republicans, the value is in those edge bets.
Difficult to know if this is spoof or real. I’m going with “real”
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Once everyone is a minority, no one is.
Everyone is a minority of one, hence an individual.
We are at the horseshoe point.
That was what I was driving at. Chop up minorities into too small interest groups and all you’re back to is “everyone is an individual so treat them the same”, which doesn’t advance anyone’s cause.
“everyone is an individual so treat them the same” sounds good to me.
NEW: Badenoch comes out to endorse Sunak. First full current cabinet member to back him and a huge win for him given that Badenoch a key figure on the right of the party
People backing Johnson are trashing their credibility if they had any. And backing Mordaunt looks a cop out. So this is the correct move by Badenoch imo. Bet she didn't have to agonize too much.
Guido Fawkes now has Johnson on 73 - just been nominated by Ben Bradley.
Including a whopping 16 who Paul Staines assures us exist but cannot possibly be named (compared with four anonymous MPs for Sunak & three for Mordaunt). I'm starting to think he isn't even close.
A special envoy to the Ukraine is the blindingly obvious job. Tasked with trying to ensure other nations don't get bored of helping out and giving his fellow comedian a visit from time to time. He can then mix all that travel in with doing some nice paid speaking gigs (and it keeps him away from parliament causing trouble). Win win win.
That would be a very bad idea. He'd make all sorts of unauthorised promises which Ben Wallace would have to row back on.
Boris and his supporters aren’t known for their slavish adherence to the truth. Is it possible that the liars are lying about 100 nominations for the liar ?
Isn’t the real story about @BorisJohnson today that he still doesn’t have 100 MPs prepared to say publicly that they support him; he didn’t get get the endorsement of the Conservative papers & he hasn’t got the support of old allies like Charles Moore & @DavidGHFrost?
"Politics is a blood sport," said Truss as she told staff she was standing down. "And I'm the fox..." The gory inside story of a tumultuous week in British politics which brought down the UK's 56th prime minister...
She’s even more deluded than I thought if she thinks she’s a fox.
A rabbit in the headlights?
The old interview with Nick Robinson that’s on BBC Sounds is well worth a listen. She comes across as being great fun, although not someone you would put in charge.
Laura Kuenssberg @bbclaurak · 33m As Kemi Badenoch comes out for Sunak, which is a big symbolic endorsement, I hear the 2 men, Johnson and Sunak were due to meet a couple of hours ago, face to face - meeting was pushed back for reasons unclear, but could still go ahead later
Good thread on why Boris might yet win. Basically: the Tories are almost certainly fucked, they need a miracle. Boris is the kind of guy who will probably implode but might just provide a miracle. Sunak won’t do either of these things
“If I was a Conservative MP (which, thank the Lord I'm not, Sir) I would be tempted to vote for Boris Johnson.
I wouldn't do it because I thought he had "changed", or because I thought he was a great electoral asset - because I'm not mad…”
It’s not my thinking at all. It’s someone trying to get inside the thoughts of sane Tory MPs, and trying to deduce why they might go for Boris, despite all the past evidence and the inevitable issues ahead
Makes sense to me
Personally, I reckon Sunak has got this. The country yearns for an end to the panto and I suspect Tory members do too. So even if boris made the run off he’d lose
I suspect thats the feedback Boris is getting. 'Sit this one out, biggus'
Yes. Boris is risky at a time of worldwide maximum risk. He’s funny and cheering but we no longer desire to be amused, or cheered, we want to avoid world war and make it through winter and not lose our homes due to soaring mortgage rates
If he's funny and cheering how come I always feel irritated and a bit down in the dumps after I've seen him on tv?
It's not as if I'm usually that way. I like a laugh and a joke as much as the next man.
I have the same feeling after my mates tell me I have to absolutely see a clip of Stewart Lee....
Oh come on. Lee is a comedy modern great. In fact I've earmarked "Snowflake" to watch tomorrow night and I'll need a plastic sheet on the sofa just in case.
I saw him perform it live, he really is very funny but certainly isn't to everyone's taste, my wife doesn't find him funny at all. I doubt there is any comedian that appeals to everyone, humour is rather subjective.
There is a male skew with him, I think. I'm planning to watch this one with MY wife and I'm interested to see if she likes it. She doesn't know of him so it's clean sheet.
Guido Fawkes now has Johnson on 73 - just been nominated by Ben Bradley.
Including a whopping 16 who Paul Staines assures us exist but cannot possibly be named (compared with four anonymous MPs for Sunak & three for Mordaunt). I'm starting to think he isn't even close.
Is Patel the only "big" name he's got on board today?
NEW: Badenoch comes out to endorse Sunak. First full current cabinet member to back him and a huge win for him given that Badenoch a key figure on the right of the party
People backing Johnson are trashing their credibility if they had any. And backing Mordaunt looks a cop out. So this is the correct move by Badenoch imo. Bet she didn't have to agonize too much.
Big job in exchange.
Likely to be LOTO in 2025.
Smart move.
Not sure. If the Conservatives lose narrowly next time, there's a good case for the incumbent to continue having pulled it back from the brink of a wipeout. If they lose badly, the MPs who are out are likely to be red wall MPs who tend to be more favourable to Johnson. I'm not saying there's no way back for him, but I'd not see it as likely.
Good thread on why Boris might yet win. Basically: the Tories are almost certainly fucked, they need a miracle. Boris is the kind of guy who will probably implode but might just provide a miracle. Sunak won’t do either of these things
“If I was a Conservative MP (which, thank the Lord I'm not, Sir) I would be tempted to vote for Boris Johnson.
I wouldn't do it because I thought he had "changed", or because I thought he was a great electoral asset - because I'm not mad…”
It’s not my thinking at all. It’s someone trying to get inside the thoughts of sane Tory MPs, and trying to deduce why they might go for Boris, despite all the past evidence and the inevitable issues ahead
Makes sense to me
Personally, I reckon Sunak has got this. The country yearns for an end to the panto and I suspect Tory members do too. So even if boris made the run off he’d lose
I suspect thats the feedback Boris is getting. 'Sit this one out, biggus'
Yes. Boris is risky at a time of worldwide maximum risk. He’s funny and cheering but we no longer desire to be amused, or cheered, we want to avoid world war and make it through winter and not lose our homes due to soaring mortgage rates
If he's funny and cheering how come I always feel irritated and a bit down in the dumps after I've seen him on tv?
It's not as if I'm usually that way. I like a laugh and a joke as much as the next man.
I have the same feeling after my mates tell me I have to absolutely see a clip of Stewart Lee....
Oh come on. Lee is a comedy modern great. In fact I've earmarked "Snowflake" to watch tomorrow night and I'll need a plastic sheet on the sofa just in case.
I saw him perform it live, he really is very funny but certainly isn't to everyone's taste, my wife doesn't find him funny at all. I doubt there is any comedian that appeals to everyone, humour is rather subjective.
There is a male skew with him, I think. I'm planning to watch this one with MY wife and I'm interested to see if she likes it. She doesn't know of him so it's clean sheet.
The show I saw was like a centrist dad convention. I went to see him with another forty something bloke and we had a great time.
Dan Hodges says he has been told Boris is backing Rishi
(((Dan Hodges))) @DPJHodges · 16m What's weird about these things is how quickly momentum shifts. When his plane landed it was with Boris. Then it became clear even close allies were urging him not to stand. Then we had the "100 names" boost. Now an MP tells me "the word is he's going to back Rishi"
Good thread on why Boris might yet win. Basically: the Tories are almost certainly fucked, they need a miracle. Boris is the kind of guy who will probably implode but might just provide a miracle. Sunak won’t do either of these things
“If I was a Conservative MP (which, thank the Lord I'm not, Sir) I would be tempted to vote for Boris Johnson.
I wouldn't do it because I thought he had "changed", or because I thought he was a great electoral asset - because I'm not mad…”
It’s not my thinking at all. It’s someone trying to get inside the thoughts of sane Tory MPs, and trying to deduce why they might go for Boris, despite all the past evidence and the inevitable issues ahead
Makes sense to me
Personally, I reckon Sunak has got this. The country yearns for an end to the panto and I suspect Tory members do too. So even if boris made the run off he’d lose
I suspect thats the feedback Boris is getting. 'Sit this one out, biggus'
Yes. Boris is risky at a time of worldwide maximum risk. He’s funny and cheering but we no longer desire to be amused, or cheered, we want to avoid world war and make it through winter and not lose our homes due to soaring mortgage rates
If he's funny and cheering how come I always feel irritated and a bit down in the dumps after I've seen him on tv?
It's not as if I'm usually that way. I like a laugh and a joke as much as the next man.
I have the same feeling after my mates tell me I have to absolutely see a clip of Stewart Lee....
Oh come on. Lee is a comedy modern great. In fact I've earmarked "Snowflake" to watch tomorrow night and I'll need a plastic sheet on the sofa just in case.
I saw him perform it live, he really is very funny but certainly isn't to everyone's taste, my wife doesn't find him funny at all. I doubt there is any comedian that appeals to everyone, humour is rather subjective.
There is a male skew with him, I think. I'm planning to watch this one with MY wife and I'm interested to see if she likes it. She doesn't know of him so it's clean sheet.
Off topic, but some of you are interested in the the approaching US mid-term elections: It is possible that Trump will do something in the weeks before the election that will screw up Republican chances even more than he already has. I see no way of putting odds on that without consluting psychiatrists who have studied narcissistic personalities, but I think anyone betting on the US mid-term elections should think about that possibility.
(Could he surprise on the up side, too? So far I can't think of a way he could, but perhaps I just don't have enough imagination.)
Am thinking that the most serious type of 45 faux pas, would have to be one (or more) that would significantly dismay his core supporters and depress their turnout. Which across US is being disproportionately cast, compared with Democrats, on Election Day, instead of early via mail or early voting.
So an Early November surprise by Trump prior to ED (Nov. 8) would tend to have greater impact on his base vote, including many whose turnout outside presidential years is NOT robust.
Interesting, in surveys I've seen (admittedly from decade or more ago) major reason why voters said they returned their mail ballots later rather than sooner, was because they were afraid that IF they voted earlier, there would be some late-breaking development that would have changed their voting decision.
So impact of late news will likely be heightened among SERIOUSLY conflicted super-swing voters as well.
The key number for Boris isn't 100, it's 119. If he gets fewer than 119 then RS and PM can share their true backers for nominations, leaving Boris third and having to drop out.
This assumes 100% Penny-to-Rishi and vice versa STVing.
Dan Hodges says he has been told Boris is backing Rishi
(((Dan Hodges))) @DPJHodges · 16m What's weird about these things is how quickly momentum shifts. When his plane landed it was with Boris. Then it became clear even close allies were urging him not to stand. Then we had the "100 names" boost. Now an MP tells me "the word is he's going to back Rishi"
If so, you heard it from me first, yesterday. Johnson isn’t going to run.
I always thought this was another disaster waiting to happen.
Give it a year and there will be a glut of nice cars going for buttons....
If you are interested in a decent new car, leasing always seems like a much better option. Just get a new lease every couple of years, never really pay any servicing and just hand it back get a new one.
Why would I want to pay a balloon payment 2-3 years down the line for a car I have thrashed around and only get worse....when I can get a new shiny one (and pay less per month for leasing). Its not like in general a car is an investment that will increase in value.
I was thinking of those cars that get handed back..... Balloon payments will make no sense if the second-hand market craters.
I’m needing to buy a “new” second hand car (no point in paying forecourt premium).
Good thread on why Boris might yet win. Basically: the Tories are almost certainly fucked, they need a miracle. Boris is the kind of guy who will probably implode but might just provide a miracle. Sunak won’t do either of these things
“If I was a Conservative MP (which, thank the Lord I'm not, Sir) I would be tempted to vote for Boris Johnson.
I wouldn't do it because I thought he had "changed", or because I thought he was a great electoral asset - because I'm not mad…”
It’s not my thinking at all. It’s someone trying to get inside the thoughts of sane Tory MPs, and trying to deduce why they might go for Boris, despite all the past evidence and the inevitable issues ahead
Makes sense to me
Personally, I reckon Sunak has got this. The country yearns for an end to the panto and I suspect Tory members do too. So even if boris made the run off he’d lose
I suspect thats the feedback Boris is getting. 'Sit this one out, biggus'
Yes. Boris is risky at a time of worldwide maximum risk. He’s funny and cheering but we no longer desire to be amused, or cheered, we want to avoid world war and make it through winter and not lose our homes due to soaring mortgage rates
If he's funny and cheering how come I always feel irritated and a bit down in the dumps after I've seen him on tv?
It's not as if I'm usually that way. I like a laugh and a joke as much as the next man.
I have the same feeling after my mates tell me I have to absolutely see a clip of Stewart Lee....
Oh come on. Lee is a comedy modern great. In fact I've earmarked "Snowflake" to watch tomorrow night and I'll need a plastic sheet on the sofa just in case.
His piece about Paul Nuttall of the UKIPs and immigration is an absolute classic.
Yes a killer. Me and - would you believe - Leon both have it as top 10 ever comedy routines.
I wonder whether this Johnson/Sunak meeting will happen?
The feeling I'm getting is Sunak is pushing it into the long grass as it looks increasingly unlikely he will need to offer Johnson anything. The 100 MP ramping earlier appears to have backfired rather badly - looked rather desperate.
He was an original Brexiteer. He can talk about regulatory divergence whereas Labour will want to keep the status quo in preparation for rejoinig the single market. He has a northern England seat. He can talk about race/immigration/patriotism without it offending people. He plans to boost capital investment paid for by corporation tax rises.
Difficult to know if this is spoof or real. I’m going with “real”
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It's a load of absolute bullcrap. The alphabet soup acronym is meaningless (and so, I suspect, are most of these individual terms: either complete waffle or numerous different ways of describing precisely the same thing.)
For the avoidance of doubt, I am gay. A homosexual male. Why I've suddenly been described by some clueless dolt at a software house as "Gay/MLM/Vinician" Christ only knows. What is a Vinician anyway? It sounds like one of the non-recurring baddies from 1970s Doctor Who.
I mean, just, enough already.
This is the kind of thing that gives Woke a bad name. Also giving me a headache looking at it.
Though worth noting, that is homage to the graphic, cultural and above all vexillological influence to the Union Flag aka Union Jack, in particular pattern of stripes at complementary angles radiating from central point.
Also worth pointing out, there IS such as thing, as too much of a good thing.
Good thread on why Boris might yet win. Basically: the Tories are almost certainly fucked, they need a miracle. Boris is the kind of guy who will probably implode but might just provide a miracle. Sunak won’t do either of these things
“If I was a Conservative MP (which, thank the Lord I'm not, Sir) I would be tempted to vote for Boris Johnson.
I wouldn't do it because I thought he had "changed", or because I thought he was a great electoral asset - because I'm not mad…”
It’s not my thinking at all. It’s someone trying to get inside the thoughts of sane Tory MPs, and trying to deduce why they might go for Boris, despite all the past evidence and the inevitable issues ahead
Makes sense to me
Personally, I reckon Sunak has got this. The country yearns for an end to the panto and I suspect Tory members do too. So even if boris made the run off he’d lose
I suspect thats the feedback Boris is getting. 'Sit this one out, biggus'
Yes. Boris is risky at a time of worldwide maximum risk. He’s funny and cheering but we no longer desire to be amused, or cheered, we want to avoid world war and make it through winter and not lose our homes due to soaring mortgage rates
If he's funny and cheering how come I always feel irritated and a bit down in the dumps after I've seen him on tv?
It's not as if I'm usually that way. I like a laugh and a joke as much as the next man.
I have the same feeling after my mates tell me I have to absolutely see a clip of Stewart Lee....
Oh come on. Lee is a comedy modern great. In fact I've earmarked "Snowflake" to watch tomorrow night and I'll need a plastic sheet on the sofa just in case.
His piece about Paul Nuttall of the UKIPs and immigration is an absolute classic.
Yes a killer. Me and - would you believe - Leon both have it as top 10 ever comedy routines.
True but in that one he's also somewhat self-deprecating right?
I wonder whether this Johnson/Sunak meeting will happen?
The feeling I'm getting is Sunak is pushing it into the long grass as it looks increasingly unlikely he will need to offer Johnson anything. The 100 MP ramping earlier appears to have backfired rather badly - looked rather desperate.
Get Boris on board and that means you don't have to worry about a late charge by Braverman.
I wonder whether this Johnson/Sunak meeting will happen?
The feeling I'm getting is Sunak is pushing it into the long grass as it looks increasingly unlikely he will need to offer Johnson anything. The 100 MP ramping earlier appears to have backfired rather badly - looked rather desperate.
Sunak will almost certainly become leader and PM now, he has 114 declared Conservative MPs nominating him, more than Johnson on 50 and Mordaunt on 22 combined and already over the 100 nomination threshold required with more backing him all the time.
However, the 50 Tory MPs backing Johnson if they voted with Labour would overturn the Tory majority of 80. So Sunak will need Johnson backing MPs to support him to get legislation and budgets through. So Rishi needs Boris in his Cabinet or at least behind him to have a working government
He was an original Brexiteer. He can talk about regulatory divergence whereas Labour will want to keep the status quo in preparation for rejoinig the single market. He can talk about race/immigration/patriotism without it offending people. He plans to boost capital investment paid for by corporation tax rises.
I wonder whether this Johnson/Sunak meeting will happen?
The feeling I'm getting is Sunak is pushing it into the long grass as it looks increasingly unlikely he will need to offer Johnson anything. The 100 MP ramping earlier appears to have backfired rather badly - looked rather desperate.
Get Boris on board and that means you don't have to worry about a late charge by Braverman.
He was an original Brexiteer. He can talk about regulatory divergence whereas Labour will want to keep the status quo in preparation for rejoinig the single market. He has a northern England seat. He can talk about race/immigration/patriotism without it offending people. He plans to boost capital investment paid for by corporation tax rises.
He is brown and there are lots of Racists in the red wall particularly old men who are normally Tory voters see Jerry from Lowestoft as an example
I wonder whether this Johnson/Sunak meeting will happen?
The feeling I'm getting is Sunak is pushing it into the long grass as it looks increasingly unlikely he will need to offer Johnson anything. The 100 MP ramping earlier appears to have backfired rather badly - looked rather desperate.
Sunak will almost certainly become leader now, he has 114 declared MPs, more than Johnson on 50 and Mordaunt on 22 combined.
However, the 50 Tory MPs backing Johnson if they voted with Labour would overturn the Tory majority of 80. So Sunak will need Johnson backing MPs to support him to get legislation and budgets through. So Rishi needs Boris in his Cabinet or at least behind him to have a working government
Er, that woukld lead to Mr Sunak not being PM and a GE, cos the Sunakites wouldn't support Mr J as PM (though Labour might). What's the point of Mr Johnson destroying a Conservative government, apart of course so he can be king once again?
He was an original Brexiteer. He can talk about regulatory divergence whereas Labour will want to keep the status quo in preparation for rejoinig the single market. He has a northern England seat. He can talk about race/immigration/patriotism without it offending people. He plans to boost capital investment paid for by corporation tax rises.
He is brown and there are lots of Racists in the red wall particularly old men who are normally Tory voters see Jerry from Lowestoft as an example
I wonder whether this Johnson/Sunak meeting will happen?
The feeling I'm getting is Sunak is pushing it into the long grass as it looks increasingly unlikely he will need to offer Johnson anything. The 100 MP ramping earlier appears to have backfired rather badly - looked rather desperate.
Sunak will almost certainly become leader now, he has 114 declared MPs, more than Johnson on 50 and Mordaunt on 22 combined.
However, the 50 Tory MPs backing Johnson if they voted with Labour would overturn the Tory majority of 80. So Sunak will need Johnson backing MPs to support him to get legislation and budgets through. So Rishi needs Boris in his Cabinet or at least behind him to have a working government
Er, that woukld lead to Mr Sunak not being PM and a GE, cos the Sunakites wouldn't support Mr J as PM (though Labour might). What's the point of Mr Johnson destroying a Conservative government, apart of course so he can be king once again?
Yes it would lead to a GE and likely Starmer government if Johnson supporters decided better for a Sunak leadership to crash and burn quickly at the hands of the electorate leaving their man to pick up the pieces in opposition (one of the 50 in a safe seat stepping down for Boris to quickly step into).
So as I see it Sunak needs Boris supporters on board to ensure he can sustain a workable government into next year and beyond until the next general election by offering Boris something he could accept
He was an original Brexiteer. He can talk about regulatory divergence whereas Labour will want to keep the status quo in preparation for rejoinig the single market. He has a northern England seat. He can talk about race/immigration/patriotism without it offending people. He plans to boost capital investment paid for by corporation tax rises.
He is brown and there are lots of Racists in the red wall particularly old men who are normally Tory voters see Jerry from Lowestoft as an example
He was an original Brexiteer. He can talk about regulatory divergence whereas Labour will want to keep the status quo in preparation for rejoinig the single market. He has a northern England seat. He can talk about race/immigration/patriotism without it offending people. He plans to boost capital investment paid for by corporation tax rises.
He is brown and there are lots of Racists in the red wall particularly old men who are normally Tory voters see Jerry from Lowestoft as an example
I wonder whether this Johnson/Sunak meeting will happen?
The feeling I'm getting is Sunak is pushing it into the long grass as it looks increasingly unlikely he will need to offer Johnson anything. The 100 MP ramping earlier appears to have backfired rather badly - looked rather desperate.
Sunak will almost certainly become leader and PM now, he has 114 declared Conservative MPs nominating, more than Johnson on 50 and Mordaunt on 22 combined and already over the 100 nomination threshold required with more backing him all the time.
However, the 50 Tory MPs backing Johnson if they voted with Labour would overturn the Tory majority of 80. So Sunak will need Johnson backing MPs to support him to get legislation and budgets through. So Rishi needs Boris in his Cabinet or at least behind him to have a working government
That doesn't mean he needs to blink now, and give the appearance he needs Johnson's support.
These things are all about bargaining position and ensuring you do things when you are in your strongest position and he is at his weakest. If he is confident he has the numbers and Johnson doesn't, he can say, "Yes, it'd be absolutely lovely to have lunch with you, Boris - how does Tuesday work for you? Anyway, you have my number so give me a call about details". Make him beg for a date.
He was an original Brexiteer. He can talk about regulatory divergence whereas Labour will want to keep the status quo in preparation for rejoinig the single market. He has a northern England seat. He can talk about race/immigration/patriotism without it offending people. He plans to boost capital investment paid for by corporation tax rises.
He is brown and there are lots of Racists in the red wall particularly old men who are normally Tory voters see Jerry from Lowestoft as an example
I always thought this was another disaster waiting to happen.
Give it a year and there will be a glut of nice cars going for buttons....
If you are interested in a decent new car, leasing always seems like a much better option. Just get a new lease every couple of years, never really pay any servicing and just hand it back get a new one.
Why would I want to pay a balloon payment 2-3 years down the line for a car I have thrashed around and only get worse....when I can get a new shiny one (and pay less per month for leasing). Its not like in general a car is an investment that will increase in value.
I was thinking of those cars that get handed back..... Balloon payments will make no sense if the second-hand market craters.
I’m needing to buy a “new” second hand car (no point in paying forecourt premium).
When will the market subside…?
(And any suggestions?)
It depends what you want. There is never a secular decline in car values. Some things crash and while others go for strong money.
Usual advice applies: never buy any JLR product ever.
He was an original Brexiteer. He can talk about regulatory divergence whereas Labour will want to keep the status quo in preparation for rejoinig the single market. He has a northern England seat. He can talk about race/immigration/patriotism without it offending people. He plans to boost capital investment paid for by corporation tax rises.
He is brown and there are lots of Racists in the red wall particularly old men who are normally Tory voters see Jerry from Lowestoft as an example
thats too lazy and insulting to people in the red wall. I suspect the reason he does not enthuse is that he is a multi millionaire who is a little aloof and corporate - and simply he is not Boris who has a character that suits red wall politics - sense of humour , enthusing, down to earth but most of all non-corporate
Difficult to know if this is spoof or real. I’m going with “real”
“This flag combines 40 different flags from LGBTQIA+ communities around the world, including: Abrosexual, Aceflux, Agender, Ambiamorous, Androgynous, Aroace, Aroflux, Aromantic, Asexual, Bigender, Bisexual, Demifluid, Demigender, Demigirl, Demiromantic, Demisexual, Gay/MLM/Vinician, Genderfluid, Genderflux, Genderqueer, Gender questioning, Graysexual, Intersex, Lesbian, Maverique, Neutrois, Nonbinary, Omnisexual, Pangender, Pansexual, Polyamorous, Polysexual, Transgender, Trigender, Two Spirit, Progress Pride, Queer, Unlabeled.”
It's a load of absolute bullcrap. The alphabet soup acronym is meaningless (and so, I suspect, are most of these individual terms: either complete waffle or numerous different ways of describing precisely the same thing.)
For the avoidance of doubt, I am gay. A homosexual male. Why I've suddenly been described by some clueless dolt at a software house as "Gay/MLM/Vinician" Christ only knows. What is a Vinician anyway? It sounds like one of the non-recurring baddies from 1970s Doctor Who.
I mean, just, enough already.
This is the kind of thing that gives Woke a bad name. Also giving me a headache looking at it.
Though worth noting, that is homage to the graphic, cultural and above all vexillological influence to the Union Flag aka Union Jack, in particular pattern of stripes at complementary angles radiating from central point.
Also worth pointing out, there IS such as thing, as too much of a good thing.
It is made worse by the fact that the term is Vincian not Vinician.
The thinking behind it has the best of intentions but is based on very muddled beliefs.
I too think of myself as a gay man. I am never going to apologize for that. Nor should I ever be made to feel guilty for not wishing to give in to the new orthodoxy that seeks to delete sexuality in favour of gender.
I wonder whether this Johnson/Sunak meeting will happen?
The feeling I'm getting is Sunak is pushing it into the long grass as it looks increasingly unlikely he will need to offer Johnson anything. The 100 MP ramping earlier appears to have backfired rather badly - looked rather desperate.
Sunak will almost certainly become leader now, he has 114 declared MPs, more than Johnson on 50 and Mordaunt on 22 combined.
However, the 50 Tory MPs backing Johnson if they voted with Labour would overturn the Tory majority of 80. So Sunak will need Johnson backing MPs to support him to get legislation and budgets through. So Rishi needs Boris in his Cabinet or at least behind him to have a working government
Er, that woukld lead to Mr Sunak not being PM and a GE, cos the Sunakites wouldn't support Mr J as PM (though Labour might). What's the point of Mr Johnson destroying a Conservative government, apart of course so he can be king once again?
Yes it would lead to a GE and likely Starmer government if Johnson supporters decided better for a Sunak leadership to crash and burn quickly at the hands of the electorate leaving their man to pick up the pieces in opposition.
So as I see it Sunak needs Boris supporters on board to ensure he can sustain a workable government into next year and beyond until the next general election by offering Boris something he could accept
This idea of a Sunak / Johnson agreement sounds like an unlikely manoeuvre but it could work if the personalities allow it. It would be like a sort of coalition government between the different factions of the Conservative Party. Also, if Johnson performing some role in the government itself (probably Foreign Secretary), then it would have some political credibility in terms of not calling a General Election, they can claim Johnson is still around and the manifesto is still being implemented.
He was an original Brexiteer. He can talk about regulatory divergence whereas Labour will want to keep the status quo in preparation for rejoinig the single market. He has a northern England seat. He can talk about race/immigration/patriotism without it offending people. He plans to boost capital investment paid for by corporation tax rises.
He is brown and there are lots of Racists in the red wall particularly old men who are normally Tory voters see Jerry from Lowestoft as an example
He was an original Brexiteer. He can talk about regulatory divergence whereas Labour will want to keep the status quo in preparation for rejoinig the single market. He has a northern England seat. He can talk about race/immigration/patriotism without it offending people. He plans to boost capital investment paid for by corporation tax rises.
He is brown and there are lots of Racists in the red wall particularly old men who are normally Tory voters see Jerry from Lowestoft as an example
He was an original Brexiteer. He can talk about regulatory divergence whereas Labour will want to keep the status quo in preparation for rejoinig the single market. He has a northern England seat. He can talk about race/immigration/patriotism without it offending people. He plans to boost capital investment paid for by corporation tax rises.
He is brown and there are lots of Racists in the red wall particularly old men who are normally Tory voters see Jerry from Lowestoft as an example
thats too lazy and insulting to people in the red wall. I suspect the reason he does not enthuse is that he is a multi millionaire who is a little aloof and corporate -
He was an original Brexiteer. He can talk about regulatory divergence whereas Labour will want to keep the status quo in preparation for rejoinig the single market. He has a northern England seat. He can talk about race/immigration/patriotism without it offending people. He plans to boost capital investment paid for by corporation tax rises.
He is brown and there are lots of Racists in the red wall particularly old men who are normally Tory voters see Jerry from Lowestoft as an example
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Fucking hell.
(Could he surprise on the up side, too? So far I can't think of a way he could, but perhaps I just don't have enough imagination.)
https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1583877075169337349
I'm backing Rishi Sunak to be the next Prime Minister.
Rishi has the capability, the intellect, and the skills to navigate the many challenges this country is facing.
Still nowhere near the noms.
https://twitter.com/timothy_stanley/status/1583876679889432576
I would therefore look therefore to bet on the Republicans on 46 or 47 seats (44 and 14.5 on Betfair Exchange).
For the Dems (given the two existing Independents who caucus with them), the corresponding bets are probably 44 and 45. I.e., we're betting that someone's going to lose three or four seats, net.
I'd reckon there's a 40% chance that one of the two parties substantially outperforms, and while it's probably the Republicans, the value is in those edge bets.
Robert Peston
@Peston
...there seems to be a mood, a trend, among Tory MPs to prevent the contest going to a members’ vote. Because it is only Tory members who…
could carry Johnson back into Number 10
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We'll soon see if this ages well.
Latest factored up to 347 votes
Likely to be LOTO in 2025.
Smart move.
get the endorsement of the Conservative papers & he hasn’t got the support of old allies like Charles Moore & @DavidGHFrost?
https://twitter.com/bbcnickrobinson/status/1583857640836190208
Guido says that because of their position they have to remain publicly neutral. But he has verified them.
Question: If they have to remain publicly neutral, can they nominate a candidate?
Laura Kuenssberg
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As Kemi Badenoch comes out for Sunak, which is a big symbolic endorsement, I hear the 2 men, Johnson and Sunak were due to meet a couple of hours ago, face to face - meeting was pushed back for reasons unclear, but could still go ahead later
https://twitter.com/DavidDavisMP/status/1583858354035691521?s=20&t=W7HJgajVpnOoxM7Xlv9jBQ
(((Dan Hodges)))
@DPJHodges
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What's weird about these things is how quickly momentum shifts. When his plane landed it was with Boris. Then it became clear even close allies were urging him not to stand. Then we had the "100 names" boost. Now an MP tells me "the word is he's going to back Rishi"
Rishi +29
Boris +5
Penny +2
So an Early November surprise by Trump prior to ED (Nov. 8) would tend to have greater impact on his base vote, including many whose turnout outside presidential years is NOT robust.
Interesting, in surveys I've seen (admittedly from decade or more ago) major reason why voters said they returned their mail ballots later rather than sooner, was because they were afraid that IF they voted earlier, there would be some late-breaking development that would have changed their voting decision.
So impact of late news will likely be heightened among SERIOUSLY conflicted super-swing voters as well.
This assumes 100% Penny-to-Rishi and vice versa STVing.
When will the market subside…?
(And any suggestions?)
I need to start on a second IPA.
The feeling I'm getting is Sunak is pushing it into the long grass as it looks increasingly unlikely he will need to offer Johnson anything. The 100 MP ramping earlier appears to have backfired rather badly - looked rather desperate.
He was an original Brexiteer.
He can talk about regulatory divergence whereas Labour will want to keep the status quo in preparation for rejoinig the single market.
He has a northern England seat.
He can talk about race/immigration/patriotism without it offending people.
He plans to boost capital investment paid for by corporation tax rises.
Best not be Mrs BJ
Though worth noting, that is homage to the graphic, cultural and above all vexillological influence to the Union Flag aka Union Jack, in particular pattern of stripes at complementary angles radiating from central point.
Also worth pointing out, there IS such as thing, as too much of a good thing.
However, the 50 Tory MPs backing Johnson if they voted with Labour would overturn the Tory majority of 80. So Sunak will need Johnson backing MPs to support him to get legislation and budgets through. So Rishi needs Boris in his Cabinet or at least behind him to have a working government
Hunt has shown that it can be done.
https://twitter.com/LBC/status/1583836182781517830
So as I see it Sunak needs Boris supporters on board to ensure he can sustain a workable government into next year and beyond until the next general election by offering Boris something he could accept
Your geography skills are as poor as your political judgement
These things are all about bargaining position and ensuring you do things when you are in your strongest position and he is at his weakest. If he is confident he has the numbers and Johnson doesn't, he can say, "Yes, it'd be absolutely lovely to have lunch with you, Boris - how does Tuesday work for you? Anyway, you have my number so give me a call about details". Make him beg for a date.
The clown on 54 .
Usual advice applies: never buy any JLR product ever.
The thinking behind it has the best of intentions but is based on very muddled beliefs.
I too think of myself as a gay man. I am never going to apologize for that. Nor should I ever be made to feel guilty for not wishing to give in to the new orthodoxy that seeks to delete sexuality in favour of gender.