Speaking outside the Carlton Club in central London, where Cabinet members were meeting, she said: “It was a great victory today for the Chief Whip, great credit to her."<\i>
Re: resignation, they are working overtime (for a change) trying to get the Whip to fogetaboutit.
Andrew Lilico @andrew_lilico · 2h Please @trussliz . You aren't a bad person. You've served this country with honour for 8 years in senior positions. You must know this can't go on any longer now. For the sake of everyone, go to the King, resign, & recommend he send for Starmer.
Since Starmer can't command the support of the House, that would actually make things worse not better.
Andrew Lilico @andrew_lilico · 2h Please @trussliz . You aren't a bad person. You've served this country with honour for 8 years in senior positions. You must know this can't go on any longer now. For the sake of everyone, go to the King, resign, & recommend he send for Starmer.
Why would she do that? He doesn’t command the confidence of the house.
Stuff politics. Cook Islands join the pantheon of heroes by beating Wales in the World Cup. #legends #notsamoathistime
Did I not hear this morning that Wales have not won a game at the Rugby League WC since about 2001?
Probably true.
Nobody in Wales cares about Rugby League.
Not sure large parts of England do either.
The reality is that the money has got really good in union* over the past 10-15 years, so that's the game you want to play if the oval ball game is your thing.
* the way Worchester and Wasps have gone bust, too good by the looks of it.
Except in Australia of course. The money in the NRL is very decent indeed. And you are a celebrity of the highest status in Sydney and Brisbane. Hence it is the level that Pacific Islander immigrants (even in New Zealand) aspire to reach. RU in this country needs a haircut. Number one all over. Can't compete with France
The last few days have left me pondering how the press and PB Tories would be reacting if a Labour government were presiding over this kind of chaos. We would probably have had a coup by now. Whereas as a Labour supporter watching this carnage unfold my main feeling is a kind of gallows humour in the macabre spectacle of it all. I ought to be more angry about it I suppose - they really are trashing this country's reputation. But the last few years have left me feeling so numbed by the sheer awfulness of the people who rule us and their idiotic schemes that I just can't rouse myself to even fucking care anymore.
I know it’s not quite in the same league but it’s easy to forget how chaotic it got when plotters were trying to force Gordon Brown out.
Not in the same league is an understatement. If this is premier league chaos then James Purnell resigning is Sunday League under 12s jumpers for goalposts stuff by comparison.
Andrew Lilico @andrew_lilico · 2h Please @trussliz . You aren't a bad person. You've served this country with honour for 8 years in senior positions. You must know this can't go on any longer now. For the sake of everyone, go to the King, resign, & recommend he send for Starmer.
Since Starmer can't command the support of the House, that would actually make things worse not better.
I don’t think Truss can command the support of the House. I’m not certain Sunak, Mordaunt or Hunt can either! Braverman and Johnson definitely can’t.
Surely he must realise that continual delay and prevarication just makes the situation worse?
There is simply no excuse. He should call a meeting now. And now means now, not when he's had dinner or whatever else. The 1922 Committee changes the rules now and tells Truss if she doesn't resign immediately the No Confidence vote is tomorrow.
Andrew Lilico @andrew_lilico · 2h Please @trussliz . You aren't a bad person. You've served this country with honour for 8 years in senior positions. You must know this can't go on any longer now. For the sake of everyone, go to the King, resign, & recommend he send for Starmer.
Why would she do that? He doesn’t command the confidence of the house.
Andrew Lilico @andrew_lilico · 2h Please @trussliz . You aren't a bad person. You've served this country with honour for 8 years in senior positions. You must know this can't go on any longer now. For the sake of everyone, go to the King, resign, & recommend he send for Starmer.
Since Starmer can't command the support of the House, that would actually make things worse not better.
I don’t think Truss can command the support of the House. I’m not certain Sunak, Mordaunt or Hunt can either! Braverman and Johnson definitely can’t.
in that case, Starmer should not be appointed, instead we should have an election.
Andrew Lilico @andrew_lilico · 2h Please @trussliz . You aren't a bad person. You've served this country with honour for 8 years in senior positions. You must know this can't go on any longer now. For the sake of everyone, go to the King, resign, & recommend he send for Starmer.
Lilico keeps looking stupid by making the same mistake.
BREAKING: Chief Whip and Deputy Chief Whip remain in post. !! What a reversal.
Hang on. Was this a confidence measure or not? Imagine you voted purely because of the threat of losing the Whip? Then find out the Whips didn't? Thick of it would have rejected that script as fantasy.
Stuff politics. Cook Islands join the pantheon of heroes by beating Wales in the World Cup. #legends #notsamoathistime
Did I not hear this morning that Wales have not won a game at the Rugby League WC since about 2001?
Probably true.
Nobody in Wales cares about Rugby League.
Apart from Jonathon ‘Jiffy’ Davies.
Complete aside - was at Pembroke Castle on Saturday. A video history of the castle was narrated by Eddie Butler. Lovely to hear him again, but sad also.
That mention of Eddie Butler set me off on a random wander through the history of Welsh rugby - pausing on the way to note that like almost no other sport (apart, perhaps, from New Zealand rugby) Welsh rugby is a game for all strata of society, and landed me at this. Which is always worth sharing: https://youtu.be/x1YV5xMWlK8
I thought that Hunt would bring a period of calm, but the government is still completely wracked with crisis. Is there any person who can bring any stability to this situation as PM?
Feels a bit like it's too far gone for that now. There's too much division and bad feeling. There needs to be an election.
No, there shouldn’t be an election until at least late 2024. It is in the long term interest of the country and it’s people that the Tories utterly destroy themselves to the extent the party no longer exists. The traditional one nation Conservatives can form a new party or join the Lib Dems. The HYUFD, Braverman, Francois wing can join Farage in a British Union Of Trumpists and see themselves politically annihilated by ordinary decent people.
The party will always exist, certainly under FPTP.
About a quarter to a third of the UK population are also ideologically right of centre despite your sanctimonious, patronising high horse comment that that automatically makes them not decent people
I agree that a quarter to a third of the UK population are also ideologically right of centre and that most are decent people. It’s the extreme 5% that have taken over your party that are damaging the country. I also believe that you are a decent person, but why do you continue to defend the indefensible?
I didn't vote for Truss but even now the Tories are still getting about 20 to 25% of the vote, that is rather more than an ultra extreme mere 5% of the population
You supported Truss' policies and you now support policies which are the complete opposite.
You are no one, you hold no political views, you are loyal to nothing, you have no political beliefs. Nothing.
But you are great on opinion polls.
No I didn't, I never supported the 45p cut in the top income tax rate nor her former republicanism nor her cutting free travel for veterans to Remembrance Sunday.
You supported her mini-budget with very minor qualms and now you support the reversal of her mini-budget.
I thought that Hunt would bring a period of calm, but the government is still completely wracked with crisis. Is there any person who can bring any stability to this situation as PM?
Feels a bit like it's too far gone for that now. There's too much division and bad feeling. There needs to be an election.
No, there shouldn’t be an election until at least late 2024. It is in the long term interest of the country and it’s people that the Tories utterly destroy themselves to the extent the party no longer exists. The traditional one nation Conservatives can form a new party or join the Lib Dems. The HYUFD, Braverman, Francois wing can join Farage in a British Union Of Trumpists and see themselves politically annihilated by ordinary decent people.
The party will always exist, certainly under FPTP.
About a quarter to a third of the UK population are also ideologically right of centre despite your sanctimonious, patronising high horse comment that that automatically makes them not decent people
I agree that a quarter to a third of the UK population are also ideologically right of centre and that most are decent people. It’s the extreme 5% that have taken over your party that are damaging the country. I also believe that you are a decent person, but why do you continue to defend the indefensible?
The tory party is leftist these days. HYUFD isnt decent he is a robber baron. I am fairly far right and his politics sicken me as he has no empathy its all about what benefits him and people like him.
Andrew Lilico @andrew_lilico · 2h Please @trussliz . You aren't a bad person. You've served this country with honour for 8 years in senior positions. You must know this can't go on any longer now. For the sake of everyone, go to the King, resign, & recommend he send for Starmer.
Why would she do that? He doesn’t command the confidence of the house.
Neither does Ms Truss...
In this scenario she wouldn’t be recommending herself.
Ch4 News. We are facing disaster which is now unavoidable. It is self inflicted and caused by Brexit. So says Nouriel Roubini.
Utterly ridiculous. The entire world is facing disaster and it’s fuck all to do with Brexit
Bit like this tho, innit
Literally - the world has moved on, and the problems the UK is facing are due to the world economy, Covid, and the Ukraine situation. The Brexit thing is minuscule in comparison.
I sometimes yearn for a nuclear war just to see how people manage to blame it on Brexit.
I'm sure people will still be arguing we'd have better access to nutritious rats and preferential access to the EU's tinned bean mountain if only we were still part of the common market.
Is covid much of a factor now? It seems to have become a background issue compared to the price shock and the rank incompetence of the government
Covid is still being felt in supply chains, especially with China's zero covid policy
I am also waiting for enough data to prove my theory that the WFH revolution is massively beneficial to the skilled, educated class who can be trusted to work from home efficiently and effectively, but massively detrimental to the wider economy because most people are neither skilled, nor able to be trusted to work from home effectively. My thesis is that the WFH boom massively benefits the managerial class who are inherently hard working and dedicated, but leads to far lower productivity amongst lower skilled workers who need more direct management.
The managerial class hate wfh....it proves mostly they arent needed to be looking over staff shoulders all the time. The only people I have ever heard object to working from home are those that cant, people who own offices and middle managers who had the raison d'etre of supervising staff now working from home
I wouldn't want a job where I had no choice but to work from home all the time. But plenty of others could do it just fine.
Andrew Lilico @andrew_lilico · 2h Please @trussliz . You aren't a bad person. You've served this country with honour for 8 years in senior positions. You must know this can't go on any longer now. For the sake of everyone, go to the King, resign, & recommend he send for Starmer.
Lilico keeps looking stupid by making the same mistake.
Starmer has no majority.
Tories abstain all the time in order to keep their seats for two more years???
Complete list of Tory no-shows for freaking fracking vote of quasi-semi-confidence:
Nigel Adams Stuart Andrew Gareth Bacon Siobhan Baillie Greg Clark Sir Geoffrey Cox Tracey Crouch David Davis Dame Caroline Dinenage Nadine Dorries Sir James Duddridge Sir Iain Duncan Smith Philip Dunne Nigel Evans Mark Fletcher Vicky Ford Paul Holmes Alister Jack Boris Johnson Gillian Keegan Kwasi Kwarteng Dame Eleanor Laing Robert Largan Pauline Latham Chris Loder Mark Logan Theresa May Wendy Morton Priti Patel Mark Pawsey Angela Richardson Andrew Rosindell Bob Seely Alok Sharma Chris Skidmore Henry Smith Mark Spencer Elizabeth Truss Ben Wallace Sir John Whittingdale William Wragg Sir Jeremy Wright
ADDENDUM - and here are Labour absentees (my guess for tactical reason mostly?)
Debbie Abrahams Fleur Anderson Tonia Antoniazzi Apsana Begum Kevin Brennan Ian Byrne Rosie Cooper Dame Angela Eagle Mary Kelly Foy Dame Diana Johnson Darren Jones Liz Kendall Clive Lewis Tony Lloyd Andy McDonald Conor McGinn Jim McMahon Ian Mearns Abena Oppong-Asare Angela Rayner Rachel Reeves Naz Shah Karin Smyth Alex Sobel Graham Stringer Karl Turner Liz Twist Dame Rosie Winterton
Andrew Lilico @andrew_lilico · 2h Please @trussliz . You aren't a bad person. You've served this country with honour for 8 years in senior positions. You must know this can't go on any longer now. For the sake of everyone, go to the King, resign, & recommend he send for Starmer.
Why would she do that? He doesn’t command the confidence of the house.
Yes, that would in effect be the same as calling for an election.
Worth remembering the woman responsible for all this was appointed to govt jobs by 3x Prime Ministers for 10 years, and yet was actually THIS SHIT AT EVERYTHING.
Ch4 News. We are facing disaster which is now unavoidable. It is self inflicted and caused by Brexit. So says Nouriel Roubini.
Utterly ridiculous. The entire world is facing disaster and it’s fuck all to do with Brexit
Bit like this tho, innit
Literally - the world has moved on, and the problems the UK is facing are due to the world economy, Covid, and the Ukraine situation. The Brexit thing is minuscule in comparison.
I sometimes yearn for a nuclear war just to see how people manage to blame it on Brexit.
I'm sure people will still be arguing we'd have better access to nutritious rats and preferential access to the EU's tinned bean mountain if only we were still part of the common market.
Is covid much of a factor now? It seems to have become a background issue compared to the price shock and the rank incompetence of the government
Covid is still being felt in supply chains, especially with China's zero covid policy
I am also waiting for enough data to prove my theory that the WFH revolution is massively beneficial to the skilled, educated class who can be trusted to work from home efficiently and effectively, but massively detrimental to the wider economy because most people are neither skilled, nor able to be trusted to work from home effectively. My thesis is that the WFH boom massively benefits the managerial class who are inherently hard working and dedicated, but leads to far lower productivity amongst lower skilled workers who need more direct management.
The managerial class hate wfh....it proves mostly they arent needed to be looking over staff shoulders all the time. The only people I have ever heard object to working from home are those that cant, people who own offices and middle managers who had the raison d'etre of supervising staff now working from home
From a relative who runs a company employing a fair number of low skilled staff - the problem is that they have been treated like shit as standard. Replaceable shit.
He finds that they are so hardened by this that they find being treated decently unnerving. Wages paid correctly and on time. Tax paperwork done quickly and correctly. Proper equipment. Proper safety gear - and instructions to stop work if there is a safety issue…. They find it almost wrong…
EDIT: so if they have an opportunity to skive, they will. Because if you treat people like shit, they owe you no loyalty or dependability.
BREAKING: Chief Whip and Deputy Chief Whip remain in post. !! What a reversal.
Hang on. Was this a confidence measure or not? Imagine you voted purely because of the threat of losing the Whip? Then find out the Whips didn't? Thick of it would have rejected that script as fantasy.
It has been a most confusing vote victory.
Apparently it was declared not a confidence vote shortly before it, but even though most MPs gibber away on whatsapp most of the day many might not have picked up the news.
Been working today. Off the news. Finally look at the news tonight. What an almighty shit show. I know it’s impossible, but quite frankly the Tories needs to trigger a general election and get out of dodge. This is awful.
You really think that sharp uptick in popularity of Spam, is really THAT surprising under current HMG?
True story, relative of mine used to take spam sandwiches to work every day for lunch, and several months back they switched to corned beef because it was cheaper.
Andrew Lilico @andrew_lilico · 2h Please @trussliz . You aren't a bad person. You've served this country with honour for 8 years in senior positions. You must know this can't go on any longer now. For the sake of everyone, go to the King, resign, & recommend he send for Starmer.
Since Starmer can't command the support of the House, that would actually make things worse not better.
Complete list of Tory no-shows for freaking fracking vote of quasi-semi-confidence:
Nigel Adams Stuart Andrew Gareth Bacon Siobhan Baillie Greg Clark Sir Geoffrey Cox Tracey Crouch David Davis Dame Caroline Dinenage Nadine Dorries Sir James Duddridge Sir Iain Duncan Smith Philip Dunne Nigel Evans Mark Fletcher Vicky Ford Paul Holmes Alister Jack Boris Johnson Gillian Keegan Kwasi Kwarteng Dame Eleanor Laing Robert Largan Pauline Latham Chris Loder Mark Logan Theresa May Wendy Morton Priti Patel Mark Pawsey Angela Richardson Andrew Rosindell Bob Seely Alok Sharma Chris Skidmore Henry Smith Mark Spencer Elizabeth Truss Ben Wallace Sir John Whittingdale William Wragg Sir Jeremy Wright
ADDENDUM - and here are Labour absentees (my guess for tactical reason mostly?)
Debbie Abrahams Fleur Anderson Tonia Antoniazzi Apsana Begum Kevin Brennan Ian Byrne Rosie Cooper Dame Angela Eagle Mary Kelly Foy Dame Diana Johnson Darren Jones Liz Kendall Clive Lewis Tony Lloyd Andy McDonald Conor McGinn Jim McMahon Ian Mearns Abena Oppong-Asare Angela Rayner Rachel Reeves Naz Shah Karin Smyth Alex Sobel Graham Stringer Karl Turner Liz Twist Dame Rosie Winterton
Tory cowards - if you have no opinion or don’t care, be honest and say so
Anyway, off to bed. Half-expecting to wake up in the morning to find that Truss has fallen and been replaced by the Daily Star lettuce. Needless to say this would be a considerable improvement.
Worth remembering the woman responsible for all this was appointed to govt jobs by 3x Prime Ministers for 10 years, and yet was actually THIS SHIT AT EVERYTHING.
BREAKING: Chief Whip and Deputy Chief Whip remain in post. !! What a reversal.
Hang on. Was this a confidence measure or not? Imagine you voted purely because of the threat of losing the Whip? Then find out the Whips didn't? Thick of it would have rejected that script as fantasy.
It has been a most confusing vote victory.
Apparently it was declared not a confidence vote shortly before it, but even though most MPs gibber away on whatsapp most of the day many might not have picked up the news.
My (long distance) sense of smell is telling me, that PM, Deputy Dog and rest of coterie deliberately misled their Friends (honourable or not) on exact status of vote. Including by NOT cluing in the Chief Whip and HER Dep.
Worth remembering the woman responsible for all this was appointed to govt jobs by 3x Prime Ministers for 10 years, and yet was actually THIS SHIT AT EVERYTHING.
Complete list of Tory no-shows for freaking fracking vote of quasi-semi-confidence:
Nigel Adams Stuart Andrew Gareth Bacon Siobhan Baillie Greg Clark Sir Geoffrey Cox Tracey Crouch David Davis Dame Caroline Dinenage Nadine Dorries Sir James Duddridge Sir Iain Duncan Smith Philip Dunne Nigel Evans Mark Fletcher Vicky Ford Paul Holmes Alister Jack Boris Johnson Gillian Keegan Kwasi Kwarteng Dame Eleanor Laing Robert Largan Pauline Latham Chris Loder Mark Logan Theresa May Wendy Morton Priti Patel Mark Pawsey Angela Richardson Andrew Rosindell Bob Seely Alok Sharma Chris Skidmore Henry Smith Mark Spencer Elizabeth Truss Ben Wallace Sir John Whittingdale William Wragg Sir Jeremy Wright
ADDENDUM - and here are Labour absentees (my guess for tactical reason mostly?)
Debbie Abrahams Fleur Anderson Tonia Antoniazzi Apsana Begum Kevin Brennan Ian Byrne Rosie Cooper Dame Angela Eagle Mary Kelly Foy Dame Diana Johnson Darren Jones Liz Kendall Clive Lewis Tony Lloyd Andy McDonald Conor McGinn Jim McMahon Ian Mearns Abena Oppong-Asare Angela Rayner Rachel Reeves Naz Shah Karin Smyth Alex Sobel Graham Stringer Karl Turner Liz Twist Dame Rosie Winterton
Any other day, a party voting against its own manifesto commitment would be the lead story.
Complete list of Tory no-shows for freaking fracking vote of quasi-semi-confidence:
Nigel Adams Stuart Andrew Gareth Bacon Siobhan Baillie Greg Clark Sir Geoffrey Cox Tracey Crouch David Davis Dame Caroline Dinenage Nadine Dorries Sir James Duddridge Sir Iain Duncan Smith Philip Dunne Nigel Evans Mark Fletcher Vicky Ford Paul Holmes Alister Jack Boris Johnson Gillian Keegan Kwasi Kwarteng Dame Eleanor Laing Robert Largan Pauline Latham Chris Loder Mark Logan Theresa May Wendy Morton Priti Patel Mark Pawsey Angela Richardson Andrew Rosindell Bob Seely Alok Sharma Chris Skidmore Henry Smith Mark Spencer Elizabeth Truss Ben Wallace Sir John Whittingdale William Wragg Sir Jeremy Wright
ADDENDUM - and here are Labour absentees (my guess for tactical reason mostly?)
Debbie Abrahams Fleur Anderson Tonia Antoniazzi Apsana Begum Kevin Brennan Ian Byrne Rosie Cooper Dame Angela Eagle Mary Kelly Foy Dame Diana Johnson Darren Jones Liz Kendall Clive Lewis Tony Lloyd Andy McDonald Conor McGinn Jim McMahon Ian Mearns Abena Oppong-Asare Angela Rayner Rachel Reeves Naz Shah Karin Smyth Alex Sobel Graham Stringer Karl Turner Liz Twist Dame Rosie Winterton
Tory cowards - if you have no opinion or don’t care, be honest and say so
If not, either vote FOR or vote AGAINST
On reason for voting against the motion, IF you'd been told by whips it was a VOC, would be to preserve your ability to send letter to 22 and also participate in subsequent "leadership" votes?
I thought that Hunt would bring a period of calm, but the government is still completely wracked with crisis. Is there any person who can bring any stability to this situation as PM?
Feels a bit like it's too far gone for that now. There's too much division and bad feeling. There needs to be an election.
No, there shouldn’t be an election until at least late 2024. It is in the long term interest of the country and it’s people that the Tories utterly destroy themselves to the extent the party no longer exists. The traditional one nation Conservatives can form a new party or join the Lib Dems. The HYUFD, Braverman, Francois wing can join Farage in a British Union Of Trumpists and see themselves politically annihilated by ordinary decent people.
The party will always exist, certainly under FPTP.
About a quarter to a third of the UK population are also ideologically right of centre despite your sanctimonious, patronising high horse comment that that automatically makes them not decent people
I agree that a quarter to a third of the UK population are also ideologically right of centre and that most are decent people. It’s the extreme 5% that have taken over your party that are damaging the country. I also believe that you are a decent person, but why do you continue to defend the indefensible?
The tory party is leftist these days. HYUFD isnt decent he is a robber baron. I am fairly far right and his politics sicken me as he has no empathy its all about what benefits him and people like him.
The fact I don't agree with your far right libertarianism does not mean I have no empathy
I thought that Hunt would bring a period of calm, but the government is still completely wracked with crisis. Is there any person who can bring any stability to this situation as PM?
Feels a bit like it's too far gone for that now. There's too much division and bad feeling. There needs to be an election.
No, there shouldn’t be an election until at least late 2024. It is in the long term interest of the country and it’s people that the Tories utterly destroy themselves to the extent the party no longer exists. The traditional one nation Conservatives can form a new party or join the Lib Dems. The HYUFD, Braverman, Francois wing can join Farage in a British Union Of Trumpists and see themselves politically annihilated by ordinary decent people.
The party will always exist, certainly under FPTP.
About a quarter to a third of the UK population are also ideologically right of centre despite your sanctimonious, patronising high horse comment that that automatically makes them not decent people
I agree that a quarter to a third of the UK population are also ideologically right of centre and that most are decent people. It’s the extreme 5% that have taken over your party that are damaging the country. I also believe that you are a decent person, but why do you continue to defend the indefensible?
The tory party is leftist these days. HYUFD isnt decent he is a robber baron. I am fairly far right and his politics sicken me as he has no empathy its all about what benefits him and people like him.
Andrew Lilico @andrew_lilico · 2h Please @trussliz . You aren't a bad person. You've served this country with honour for 8 years in senior positions. You must know this can't go on any longer now. For the sake of everyone, go to the King, resign, & recommend he send for Starmer.
Lilico keeps looking stupid by making the same mistake.
Ch4 News. We are facing disaster which is now unavoidable. It is self inflicted and caused by Brexit. So says Nouriel Roubini.
Utterly ridiculous. The entire world is facing disaster and it’s fuck all to do with Brexit
Bit like this tho, innit
Literally - the world has moved on, and the problems the UK is facing are due to the world economy, Covid, and the Ukraine situation. The Brexit thing is minuscule in comparison.
I sometimes yearn for a nuclear war just to see how people manage to blame it on Brexit.
I'm sure people will still be arguing we'd have better access to nutritious rats and preferential access to the EU's tinned bean mountain if only we were still part of the common market.
Is covid much of a factor now? It seems to have become a background issue compared to the price shock and the rank incompetence of the government
Covid is still being felt in supply chains, especially with China's zero covid policy
I am also waiting for enough data to prove my theory that the WFH revolution is massively beneficial to the skilled, educated class who can be trusted to work from home efficiently and effectively, but massively detrimental to the wider economy because most people are neither skilled, nor able to be trusted to work from home effectively. My thesis is that the WFH boom massively benefits the managerial class who are inherently hard working and dedicated, but leads to far lower productivity amongst lower skilled workers who need more direct management.
The managerial class hate wfh....it proves mostly they arent needed to be looking over staff shoulders all the time. The only people I have ever heard object to working from home are those that cant, people who own offices and middle managers who had the raison d'etre of supervising staff now working from home
From a relative who runs a company employing a fair number of low skilled staff - the problem is that they have been treated like shit as standard. Replaceable shit.
He finds that they are so hardened by this that they find being treated decently unnerving. Wages paid correctly and on time. Tax paperwork done quickly and correctly. Proper equipment. Proper safety gear - and instructions to stop work if there is a safety issue…. They find it almost wrong…
EDIT: so if they have an opportunity to skive, they will. Because if you treat people like shit, they owe you no loyalty or dependability.
Ch4 News. We are facing disaster which is now unavoidable. It is self inflicted and caused by Brexit. So says Nouriel Roubini.
Utterly ridiculous. The entire world is facing disaster and it’s fuck all to do with Brexit
Bit like this tho, innit
Literally - the world has moved on, and the problems the UK is facing are due to the world economy, Covid, and the Ukraine situation. The Brexit thing is minuscule in comparison.
I sometimes yearn for a nuclear war just to see how people manage to blame it on Brexit.
I'm sure people will still be arguing we'd have better access to nutritious rats and preferential access to the EU's tinned bean mountain if only we were still part of the common market.
Is covid much of a factor now? It seems to have become a background issue compared to the price shock and the rank incompetence of the government
Covid is still being felt in supply chains, especially with China's zero covid policy
I am also waiting for enough data to prove my theory that the WFH revolution is massively beneficial to the skilled, educated class who can be trusted to work from home efficiently and effectively, but massively detrimental to the wider economy because most people are neither skilled, nor able to be trusted to work from home effectively. My thesis is that the WFH boom massively benefits the managerial class who are inherently hard working and dedicated, but leads to far lower productivity amongst lower skilled workers who need more direct management.
The managerial class hate wfh....it proves mostly they arent needed to be looking over staff shoulders all the time. The only people I have ever heard object to working from home are those that cant, people who own offices and middle managers who had the raison d'etre of supervising staff now working from home
From a relative who runs a company employing a fair number of low skilled staff - the problem is that they have been treated like shit as standard. Replaceable shit.
He finds that they are so hardened by this that they find being treated decently unnerving. Wages paid correctly and on time. Tax paperwork done quickly and correctly. Proper equipment. Proper safety gear - and instructions to stop work if there is a safety issue…. They find it almost wrong…
EDIT: so if they have an opportunity to skive, they will. Because if you treat people like shit, they owe you no loyalty or dependability.
I don't doubt it, and not saying my experience is universal by anymeans its definitely anecdata, on my second company now since wfh became major. Comments are all the same. We aren't being interrupted by middle managers and pointless meetings where everyone gets halted for a few hours and tell them what we achieved and allowed to get on with actually working and getting twice as much done
I thought that Hunt would bring a period of calm, but the government is still completely wracked with crisis. Is there any person who can bring any stability to this situation as PM?
Feels a bit like it's too far gone for that now. There's too much division and bad feeling. There needs to be an election.
No, there shouldn’t be an election until at least late 2024. It is in the long term interest of the country and it’s people that the Tories utterly destroy themselves to the extent the party no longer exists. The traditional one nation Conservatives can form a new party or join the Lib Dems. The HYUFD, Braverman, Francois wing can join Farage in a British Union Of Trumpists and see themselves politically annihilated by ordinary decent people.
The party will always exist, certainly under FPTP.
About a quarter to a third of the UK population are also ideologically right of centre despite your sanctimonious, patronising high horse comment that that automatically makes them not decent people
I agree that a quarter to a third of the UK population are also ideologically right of centre and that most are decent people. It’s the extreme 5% that have taken over your party that are damaging the country. I also believe that you are a decent person, but why do you continue to defend the indefensible?
The tory party is leftist these days. HYUFD isnt decent he is a robber baron. I am fairly far right and his politics sicken me as he has no empathy its all about what benefits him and people like him.
The fact I don't agree with your far right libertarianism does not mean I have no empathy
Well I suspect I like most people will believe you have empathy when you actually show any. I have been on pb several years. Still waiting...maybe when you try to show empathy you can prewarn me so I don't miss it?
I thought that Hunt would bring a period of calm, but the government is still completely wracked with crisis. Is there any person who can bring any stability to this situation as PM?
Feels a bit like it's too far gone for that now. There's too much division and bad feeling. There needs to be an election.
No, there shouldn’t be an election until at least late 2024. It is in the long term interest of the country and it’s people that the Tories utterly destroy themselves to the extent the party no longer exists. The traditional one nation Conservatives can form a new party or join the Lib Dems. The HYUFD, Braverman, Francois wing can join Farage in a British Union Of Trumpists and see themselves politically annihilated by ordinary decent people.
The party will always exist, certainly under FPTP.
About a quarter to a third of the UK population are also ideologically right of centre despite your sanctimonious, patronising high horse comment that that automatically makes them not decent people
I agree that a quarter to a third of the UK population are also ideologically right of centre and that most are decent people. It’s the extreme 5% that have taken over your party that are damaging the country. I also believe that you are a decent person, but why do you continue to defend the indefensible?
The tory party is leftist these days. HYUFD isnt decent he is a robber baron. I am fairly far right and his politics sicken me as he has no empathy its all about what benefits him and people like him.
And a robber button is..?
robber button?....hand you a pair of reading glasses
Andrew Lilico @andrew_lilico · 2h Please @trussliz . You aren't a bad person. You've served this country with honour for 8 years in senior positions. You must know this can't go on any longer now. For the sake of everyone, go to the King, resign, & recommend he send for Starmer.
Lilico keeps looking stupid by making the same mistake.
Andrew Lilico @andrew_lilico · 2h Please @trussliz . You aren't a bad person. You've served this country with honour for 8 years in senior positions. You must know this can't go on any longer now. For the sake of everyone, go to the King, resign, & recommend he send for Starmer.
Lilico keeps looking stupid by making the same mistake.
I thought that Hunt would bring a period of calm, but the government is still completely wracked with crisis. Is there any person who can bring any stability to this situation as PM?
Feels a bit like it's too far gone for that now. There's too much division and bad feeling. There needs to be an election.
No, there shouldn’t be an election until at least late 2024. It is in the long term interest of the country and it’s people that the Tories utterly destroy themselves to the extent the party no longer exists. The traditional one nation Conservatives can form a new party or join the Lib Dems. The HYUFD, Braverman, Francois wing can join Farage in a British Union Of Trumpists and see themselves politically annihilated by ordinary decent people.
The party will always exist, certainly under FPTP.
About a quarter to a third of the UK population are also ideologically right of centre despite your sanctimonious, patronising high horse comment that that automatically makes them not decent people
I agree that a quarter to a third of the UK population are also ideologically right of centre and that most are decent people. It’s the extreme 5% that have taken over your party that are damaging the country. I also believe that you are a decent person, but why do you continue to defend the indefensible?
The tory party is leftist these days. HYUFD isnt decent he is a robber baron. I am fairly far right and his politics sicken me as he has no empathy its all about what benefits him and people like him.
The fact I don't agree with your far right libertarianism does not mean I have no empathy
Well I suspect I like most people will believe you have empathy when you actually show any. I have been on pb several years. Still waiting...maybe when you try to show empathy you can prewarn me so I don't miss it?
Empathy does not mean having to follow your ideological agenda
Ch4 News. We are facing disaster which is now unavoidable. It is self inflicted and caused by Brexit. So says Nouriel Roubini.
Utterly ridiculous. The entire world is facing disaster and it’s fuck all to do with Brexit
Bit like this tho, innit
Literally - the world has moved on, and the problems the UK is facing are due to the world economy, Covid, and the Ukraine situation. The Brexit thing is minuscule in comparison.
I sometimes yearn for a nuclear war just to see how people manage to blame it on Brexit.
I'm sure people will still be arguing we'd have better access to nutritious rats and preferential access to the EU's tinned bean mountain if only we were still part of the common market.
Is covid much of a factor now? It seems to have become a background issue compared to the price shock and the rank incompetence of the government
Covid is still being felt in supply chains, especially with China's zero covid policy
I am also waiting for enough data to prove my theory that the WFH revolution is massively beneficial to the skilled, educated class who can be trusted to work from home efficiently and effectively, but massively detrimental to the wider economy because most people are neither skilled, nor able to be trusted to work from home effectively. My thesis is that the WFH boom massively benefits the managerial class who are inherently hard working and dedicated, but leads to far lower productivity amongst lower skilled workers who need more direct management.
The managerial class hate wfh....it proves mostly they arent needed to be looking over staff shoulders all the time. The only people I have ever heard object to working from home are those that cant, people who own offices and middle managers who had the raison d'etre of supervising staff now working from home
From a relative who runs a company employing a fair number of low skilled staff - the problem is that they have been treated like shit as standard. Replaceable shit.
He finds that they are so hardened by this that they find being treated decently unnerving. Wages paid correctly and on time. Tax paperwork done quickly and correctly. Proper equipment. Proper safety gear - and instructions to stop work if there is a safety issue…. They find it almost wrong…
EDIT: so if they have an opportunity to skive, they will. Because if you treat people like shit, they owe you no loyalty or dependability.
Ch4 News. We are facing disaster which is now unavoidable. It is self inflicted and caused by Brexit. So says Nouriel Roubini.
Utterly ridiculous. The entire world is facing disaster and it’s fuck all to do with Brexit
Bit like this tho, innit
Literally - the world has moved on, and the problems the UK is facing are due to the world economy, Covid, and the Ukraine situation. The Brexit thing is minuscule in comparison.
I sometimes yearn for a nuclear war just to see how people manage to blame it on Brexit.
I'm sure people will still be arguing we'd have better access to nutritious rats and preferential access to the EU's tinned bean mountain if only we were still part of the common market.
Is covid much of a factor now? It seems to have become a background issue compared to the price shock and the rank incompetence of the government
Covid is still being felt in supply chains, especially with China's zero covid policy
I am also waiting for enough data to prove my theory that the WFH revolution is massively beneficial to the skilled, educated class who can be trusted to work from home efficiently and effectively, but massively detrimental to the wider economy because most people are neither skilled, nor able to be trusted to work from home effectively. My thesis is that the WFH boom massively benefits the managerial class who are inherently hard working and dedicated, but leads to far lower productivity amongst lower skilled workers who need more direct management.
The managerial class hate wfh....it proves mostly they arent needed to be looking over staff shoulders all the time. The only people I have ever heard object to working from home are those that cant, people who own offices and middle managers who had the raison d'etre of supervising staff now working from home
From a relative who runs a company employing a fair number of low skilled staff - the problem is that they have been treated like shit as standard. Replaceable shit.
He finds that they are so hardened by this that they find being treated decently unnerving. Wages paid correctly and on time. Tax paperwork done quickly and correctly. Proper equipment. Proper safety gear - and instructions to stop work if there is a safety issue…. They find it almost wrong…
EDIT: so if they have an opportunity to skive, they will. Because if you treat people like shit, they owe you no loyalty or dependability.
I don't doubt it, and not saying my experience is universal by anymeans its definitely anecdata, on my second company now since wfh became major. Comments are all the same. We aren't being interrupted by middle managers and pointless meetings where everyone gets halted for a few hours and tell them what we achieved and allowed to get on with actually working and getting twice as much done
Call a weekly all afternoon meeting to explore why we aren't having enough face-to-face contact with young people?
I've just got back from dinner. Have I missed much since Suellexit?
Nothing substantive has happened, really. Just a bit more chaos.
We still have no mechanism for the Tories to change leader.
We still have no route to a General Election. Truss would still win a VONC I reckon.
The only way this could change is if there is a complete dysfunction of government during a geopolitical crisis and the King steps in. I can only see that happening if something mad happens like a nuke in Black Sea.
I've just got back from dinner. Have I missed much since Suellexit?
Some great Rugby League....
Otherwise, very quiet.
@leon is drunk on a train somewhere in the Rockies with a film crew.
What could possibly go wrong?
From "Fear and Loathing on the Campaign Trail" by Hunter S. Thompson (1972)
"This incident has haunted me ever since it smacked me in the eyes one peaceful Sunday morning a few weeks ago as I sat on the balmy screened porch of the National Affairs Suite here in the Royal Biscayne Hotel. I was slicing up grapefruit and sipping a pot of coffee while perusing the political page of the Herald when I suddenly saw my name in the middle of a story on Ed Muskie's "Sunshine Special" campaign train from Jacksonville to Miami.
Several quick phone calls confirmed that something ugly had happened on that train, and that I was being blamed for it. A New York reporter assigned to the Muskie camp warned me to "stay clear of this place . . . they're really hot about it. They've pulled your pass for good."
"Wonderful," I said. "That's one more bummer that I have an excuse to avoid: But what happened? Why do they blame me?"
"Jesus Christ!" he said. "That crazy sonofabitch got on the train wearing your press badge and went completely crazy. He drank about ten martinis before the train even got moving, then he started abusing people. He cornered some poor bastard from one of the Washington papers and called him a Greasy Faggot and a Communist Buttfucker . . . then he started pushing him around and saying he was going to throw him off the train at the next bridge . . . we couldn't believe it was happening. He scared one of the network TV guys so bad that he locked himself in a water-closet for the rest of the trip."
"Jesus, I hate to hear this," I said. "But nobody really thought it was me, did they?"
"Hell, yes, they did," he replied. "The only people on the train who even know what you look like were me and -----." (He mentioned several reporters whose names need not be listed here.) "But everybody else just looked at that ID badge he was wearing and pretty soon the word was all the way back to Muskie's car that some thug named Thompson from a thing called Rolling Stone was tearing the train apart. They were going to send Rosey Grier up to deal with you, but Dick Stewart [Muskie's press secretary] said it wouldn't look good to have a three hundred pound bodyguard beating up journalists on the campaign train."
"That's typical Muskie staff-thinking." I said. "They've done everything else wrong; why balk at stomping a reporter?"
He laughed. "Actually," he said. "the rumor was that you'd eaten a lot of LSD and gone wild -- that you couldn't control yourself."
"What do you mean me?" I said. "I wasn't even on that goddamn train ..."
Hang on, so I missed the PM not voting in her own three-line whip?
Yep. She was apparently so busy tucking on the arm of the chief whip begging her not to resign that she got dragged down the corridor and missed passing into the division.
Andrew Lilico @andrew_lilico · 2h Please @trussliz . You aren't a bad person. You've served this country with honour for 8 years in senior positions. You must know this can't go on any longer now. For the sake of everyone, go to the King, resign, & recommend he send for Starmer.
Lilico keeps looking stupid by making the same mistake.
Starmer has no majority.
Andrew's a very dear friend of mine!
He was good on Covid TBF
Andrew "No Second Wave" Lillco? Are we talking about the same guy?
Should knock a few more seats off the Tory tally. Not that they have any left on current polling.
But more seriously it is a time of great danger when the existing established parties are seen to be failing so badly as is case with Tories. Opens the door to extremist solutions and anti-democracy ideas.
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https://twitter.com/Aiannucci/status/1582834626803814400
The money in the NRL is very decent indeed. And you are a celebrity of the highest status in Sydney and Brisbane. Hence it is the level that Pacific Islander immigrants (even in New Zealand) aspire to reach.
RU in this country needs a haircut. Number one all over. Can't compete with France
Surely he must realise that continual delay and prevarication just makes the situation worse?
There is simply no excuse. He should call a meeting now. And now means now, not when he's had dinner or whatever else. The 1922 Committee changes the rules now and tells Truss if she doesn't resign immediately the No Confidence vote is tomorrow.
https://twitter.com/ShippersUnbound/status/1582809629871943680
Starmer has no majority.
Was this a confidence measure or not?
Imagine you voted purely because of the threat of losing the Whip?
Then find out the Whips didn't?
Thick of it would have rejected that script as fantasy.
You have lost all credibility. Like your party.
Nigel Adams
Stuart Andrew
Gareth Bacon
Siobhan Baillie
Greg Clark
Sir Geoffrey Cox
Tracey Crouch
David Davis
Dame Caroline Dinenage
Nadine Dorries
Sir James Duddridge
Sir Iain Duncan Smith
Philip Dunne
Nigel Evans
Mark Fletcher
Vicky Ford
Paul Holmes
Alister Jack
Boris Johnson
Gillian Keegan
Kwasi Kwarteng
Dame Eleanor Laing
Robert Largan
Pauline Latham
Chris Loder
Mark Logan
Theresa May
Wendy Morton
Priti Patel
Mark Pawsey
Angela Richardson
Andrew Rosindell
Bob Seely
Alok Sharma
Chris Skidmore
Henry Smith
Mark Spencer
Elizabeth Truss
Ben Wallace
Sir John Whittingdale
William Wragg
Sir Jeremy Wright
ADDENDUM - and here are Labour absentees (my guess for tactical reason mostly?)
Debbie Abrahams
Fleur Anderson
Tonia Antoniazzi
Apsana Begum
Kevin Brennan
Ian Byrne
Rosie Cooper
Dame Angela Eagle
Mary Kelly Foy
Dame Diana Johnson
Darren Jones
Liz Kendall
Clive Lewis
Tony Lloyd
Andy McDonald
Conor McGinn
Jim McMahon
Ian Mearns
Abena Oppong-Asare
Angela Rayner
Rachel Reeves
Naz Shah
Karin Smyth
Alex Sobel
Graham Stringer
Karl Turner
Liz Twist
Dame Rosie Winterton
https://twitter.com/fleetstreetfox/status/1582836943435739136
He finds that they are so hardened by this that they find being treated decently unnerving. Wages paid correctly and on time. Tax paperwork done quickly and correctly. Proper equipment. Proper safety gear - and instructions to stop work if there is a safety issue…. They find it almost wrong…
EDIT: so if they have an opportunity to skive, they will. Because if you treat people like shit, they owe you no loyalty or dependability.
Apparently it was declared not a confidence vote shortly before it, but even though most MPs gibber away on whatsapp most of the day many might not have picked up the news.
But there is a bit of a Where's Wally narrative developing about him. Was he actually in the House yesterday/today?
Confused.
If not, either vote FOR or vote AGAINST
Battlestar Galatica fans have been waiting for this day.
Being PM is a whole different ballgame to running a department.
He's been very quiet but there hasn't been much noise about him either.
He might be quietly gathering votes or just waiting for it to fall into his lap.
That may be foolhardy or a very clever play.
We just don't know.
I think she goes by Friday latest.
FTAOD I thought at the time it was masterly, but about 30% overstated. Wrong about overstatement.
Your Chief Whip out,
You do the hokey cokey an yah shake it all about
Edit: @Ishmael_Z Beat me to it!
Otherwise, very quiet.
Says Nick Watt.
He isn't wrong.
What could possibly go wrong?
Why should anyone trust you at the next general election?
@AndrewmitchMP #ToryShambles
https://twitter.com/SCLabour/status/1582802630228684801/photo/1
We still have no mechanism for the Tories to change leader.
We still have no route to a General Election. Truss would still win a VONC I reckon.
The only way this could change is if there is a complete dysfunction of government during a geopolitical crisis and the King steps in. I can only see that happening if something mad happens like a nuke in Black Sea.
I'm confused.
Thank goodness we avoided Chaos with Ed Miliband.
🔥 👀 A call to arms… https://twitter.com/gbnews/status/1582839405617692672
"This incident has haunted me ever since it smacked me in the eyes one peaceful Sunday morning a
few weeks ago as I sat on the balmy screened porch of the National Affairs Suite here in the Royal
Biscayne Hotel. I was slicing up grapefruit and sipping a pot of coffee while perusing the political
page of the Herald when I suddenly saw my name in the middle of a story on Ed Muskie's
"Sunshine Special" campaign train from Jacksonville to Miami.
Several quick phone calls confirmed that something ugly had happened on that train, and that I
was being blamed for it. A New York reporter assigned to the Muskie camp warned me to "stay
clear of this place . . . they're really hot about it. They've pulled your pass for good."
"Wonderful," I said. "That's one more bummer that I have an excuse to avoid: But what happened?
Why do they blame me?"
"Jesus Christ!" he said. "That crazy sonofabitch got on the train wearing your press badge and
went completely crazy. He drank about ten martinis before the train even got moving, then he
started abusing people. He cornered some poor bastard from one of the Washington papers and
called him a Greasy Faggot and a Communist Buttfucker . . . then he started pushing him around
and saying he was going to throw him off the train at the next bridge . . . we couldn't believe it was
happening. He scared one of the network TV guys so bad that he locked himself in a water-closet
for the rest of the trip."
"Jesus, I hate to hear this," I said. "But nobody really thought it was me, did they?"
"Hell, yes, they did," he replied. "The only people on the train who even know what you look like
were me and -----." (He mentioned several reporters whose names need not be listed here.) "But
everybody else just looked at that ID badge he was wearing and pretty soon the word was all the
way back to Muskie's car that some thug named Thompson from a thing called Rolling Stone was
tearing the train apart. They were going to send Rosey Grier up to deal with you, but Dick Stewart
[Muskie's press secretary] said it wouldn't look good to have a three hundred pound bodyguard
beating up journalists on the campaign train."
"That's typical Muskie staff-thinking." I said. "They've done everything else wrong; why balk at
stomping a reporter?"
He laughed. "Actually," he said. "the rumor was that you'd eaten a lot of LSD and gone wild -- that
you couldn't control yourself."
"What do you mean me?" I said. "I wasn't even on that goddamn train ..."
Well, we got that returned with interest."
Charles Walker.
But more seriously it is a time of great danger when the existing established parties are seen to be failing so badly as is case with Tories. Opens the door to extremist solutions and anti-democracy ideas.