I’m an employment lawyer. If everyone who dropped the c-bomb on someone after putting the phone down was fired then I can assure you there would be roughly three people left in employment in the United Kingdom. One of them would be Jacob Rees-Mogg. TBF he would have been on the other end of many of the calls.
If its on tape and heard then they are liable to be fired. If its not on tape not so much. Because customers can request the recording, reputational risk is at stake
I thought that Hunt would bring a period of calm, but the government is still completely wracked with crisis. Is there any person who can bring any stability to this situation as PM?
Feels a bit like it's too far gone for that now. There's too much division and bad feeling. There needs to be an election.
No, there shouldn’t be an election until at least late 2024. It is in the long term interest of the country and it’s people that the Tories utterly destroy themselves to the extent the party no longer exists. The traditional one nation Conservatives can form a new party or join the Lib Dems. The HYUFD, Braverman, Francois wing can join Farage in a British Union Of Trumpists and see themselves politically annihilated by ordinary decent people.
The party will always exist, certainly under FPTP.
About a third of the UK population are also ideologically right of centre despite your sanctimonious, patronising high horse comment that that automatically makes them not decent people
You have not the first bloody idea how terminal this is, mate. I am an inherited land, inherited money, fox-hunting drunk. You have lost me, you have lost a good 50% of the people I know, and certainly in my case this is well beyond any "until normal service is resumed" sort of clause. It is over. for your lifetime.
No, you are an uncouth oik about as Tory as John Prescott.
Even if as likely Labour wins the next general election if the economy fails to recover the pendulum will swiftly swing back
Your name calling is idiotic but maybe a sign of sheer panic that your little Englander ERG loving time is nearing an end
I thought that Hunt would bring a period of calm, but the government is still completely wracked with crisis. Is there any person who can bring any stability to this situation as PM?
Feels a bit like it's too far gone for that now. There's too much division and bad feeling. There needs to be an election.
No, there shouldn’t be an election until at least late 2024. It is in the long term interest of the country and it’s people that the Tories utterly destroy themselves to the extent the party no longer exists. The traditional one nation Conservatives can form a new party or join the Lib Dems. The HYUFD, Braverman, Francois wing can join Farage in a British Union Of Trumpists and see themselves politically annihilated by ordinary decent people.
The party will always exist, certainly under FPTP.
About a third of the UK population are also ideologically right of centre despite your sanctimonious, patronising high horse comment that that automatically makes them not decent people
You have not the first bloody idea how terminal this is, mate. I am an inherited land, inherited money, fox-hunting drunk. You have lost me, you have lost a good 50% of the people I know, and certainly in my case this is well beyond any "until normal service is resumed" sort of clause. It is over. for your lifetime.
No, you are an uncouth oik about as Tory as John Prescott.
Even if as likely Labour wins the next general election if the economy fails to recover the pendulum will swiftly swing back
How do you know Ishmael didn't go to somewhere posh like Eton?
IIRC he went to Oxford anyway which should certainly qualify him in your eyes.
I went to an older and more distinguished school than Eton.
So that's a 20.5% swing from Conservative to Labour and through Baxter (allowing for the 60% willingness to vote tactically indicated in the R&W "Blue Wall" survey), the Conservatives end up with 7 seats on the current boundaries and 8 seats on next year's proposed boundaries.
On the current boundaries, they would hold three seats in Lincolnshire, three in Essex and Staffordshire South,
Don't forget when Peter Wright was planning to take down the Wilson Government, Charles's uncle, Lord Louis Mountbatten was pencilled in as titular PM.
Where are our right wing coup plotters when they are needed these days?
If the Boris/Truss gang are right that this really is just because Sunak orchestrated things because he lost, then frankly he's so capable he deserves the gig.
He may have overdone it though.
Yep, if you want to take over the house it’s probably not a great idea to repeatedly nuke it first.
Ch4 News. We are facing disaster which is now unavoidable. It is self inflicted and caused by Brexit. So says Nouriel Roubini.
Utterly ridiculous. The entire world is facing disaster and it’s fuck all to do with Brexit
Bit like this tho, innit
Literally - the world has moved on, and the problems the UK is facing are due to the world economy, Covid, and the Ukraine situation. The Brexit thing is minuscule in comparison.
I sometimes yearn for a nuclear war just to see how people manage to blame it on Brexit.
I'm sure people will still be arguing we'd have better access to nutritious rats and preferential access to the EU's tinned bean mountain if only we were still part of the common market.
Is covid much of a factor now? It seems to have become a background issue compared to the price shock and the rank incompetence of the government
Covid is still being felt in supply chains, especially with China's zero covid policy
I am also waiting for enough data to prove my theory that the WFH revolution is massively beneficial to the skilled, educated class who can be trusted to work from home efficiently and effectively, but massively detrimental to the wider economy because most people are neither skilled, nor able to be trusted to work from home effectively. My thesis is that the WFH boom massively benefits the managerial class who are inherently hard working and dedicated, but leads to far lower productivity amongst lower skilled workers who need more direct management.
I am not even sure its true for those people. They often rely on their team to provide support, data, reports, etc. If all that is taking longer to complete it can only negatively effect their productivity.
I was talking to some academics at a leading UK university the other day (a category you would think should be self-motivate and not be too negatively affected by moving more to WFH) and they were bemoaning just how the systems and processes have broken down such that they are wasting loads of extra time trying to chase up stuff that should be done, that admin staff are spending 4 out of 5 days WFH so things like printers and stationary aren't getting sorted.
OK, here’s a theory. WFH makes everyone more productive as they can focus on what they’re meant to do… except there’s lots of boring crap that someone has to do, and that stuff got done because people were around, but WFHers can avoid those jobs and it doesn’t get done.
I think that would be an interesting and challenging task....trying to work out how to right off against tax all those boozy trips around the world under the guise of research for their latest flint dildo collection.... and also finding out how much things like ladies of the night charge in different countries!
Ch4 News. We are facing disaster which is now unavoidable. It is self inflicted and caused by Brexit. So says Nouriel Roubini.
Utterly ridiculous. The entire world is facing disaster and it’s fuck all to do with Brexit
Bit like this tho, innit
Literally - the world has moved on, and the problems the UK is facing are due to the world economy, Covid, and the Ukraine situation. The Brexit thing is minuscule in comparison.
I sometimes yearn for a nuclear war just to see how people manage to blame it on Brexit.
I'm sure people will still be arguing we'd have better access to nutritious rats and preferential access to the EU's tinned bean mountain if only we were still part of the common market.
Is covid much of a factor now? It seems to have become a background issue compared to the price shock and the rank incompetence of the government
Covid is still being felt in supply chains, especially with China's zero covid policy
I am also waiting for enough data to prove my theory that the WFH revolution is massively beneficial to the skilled, educated class who can be trusted to work from home efficiently and effectively, but massively detrimental to the wider economy because most people are neither skilled, nor able to be trusted to work from home effectively. My thesis is that the WFH boom massively benefits the managerial class who are inherently hard working and dedicated, but leads to far lower productivity amongst lower skilled workers who need more direct management.
I am not even sure its true for those people. They often rely on their team to provide support, data, reports, etc. If all that is taking longer to complete it can only negatively effect their productivity.
I was talking to some academics at a leading UK university the other day (a category you would think should be self-motivate and not be too negatively affected by moving more to WFH) and they were bemoaning just how the systems and processes have broken down such that they are wasting loads of extra time trying to chase up stuff that should be done, that admin staff are spending 4 out of 5 days WFH so things like printers and stationary aren't getting sorted.
OK, here’s a theory. WFH makes everyone more productive as they can focus on what they’re meant to do… except there’s lots of boring crap that someone has to do, and that stuff got done because people were around, but WFHers can avoid those jobs and it doesn’t get done.
I think that would be an interesting and challenging task....trying to work out how to right off against tax all those boozy trips around the world under the guise of research for their latest flint dildo collection....
I thought that Hunt would bring a period of calm, but the government is still completely wracked with crisis. Is there any person who can bring any stability to this situation as PM?
Feels a bit like it's too far gone for that now. There's too much division and bad feeling. There needs to be an election.
No, there shouldn’t be an election until at least late 2024. It is in the long term interest of the country and it’s people that the Tories utterly destroy themselves to the extent the party no longer exists. The traditional one nation Conservatives can form a new party or join the Lib Dems. The HYUFD, Braverman, Francois wing can join Farage in a British Union Of Trumpists and see themselves politically annihilated by ordinary decent people.
The party will always exist, certainly under FPTP.
About a quarter to a third of the UK population are also ideologically right of centre despite your sanctimonious, patronising high horse comment that that automatically makes them not decent people
I agree that a quarter to a third of the UK population are also ideologically right of centre and that most are decent people. It’s the extreme 5% that have taken over your party that are damaging the country. I also believe that you are a decent person, but why do you continue to defend the indefensible?
I didn't vote for Truss but even now the Tories are still getting about 20 to 25% of the vote, that is rather more than an ultra extreme mere 5% of the population
You supported Truss' policies and you now support policies which are the complete opposite.
You are no one, you hold no political views, you are loyal to nothing, you have no political beliefs. Nothing.
So that's a 20.5% swing from Conservative to Labour and through Baxter (allowing for the 60% willingness to vote tactically indicated in the R&W "Blue Wall" survey), the Conservatives end up with 7 seats on the current boundaries and 8 seats on next year's proposed boundaries.
On the current boundaries, they would hold three seats in Lincolnshire, three in Essex and Staffordshire South,
Come on Agent Liz, you can push down those seats numbers a little bit more.
If the Boris/Truss gang are right that this really is just because Sunak orchestrated things because he lost, then frankly he's so capable he deserves the gig.
He may have overdone it though.
Yep, if you want to take over the house it’s probably not a great idea to repeatedly nuke it first.
Sunak orchestrated the 3 line whip? On something that appears to go against their own manifesto?
If the Boris/Truss gang are right that this really is just because Sunak orchestrated things because he lost, then frankly he's so capable he deserves the gig.
He may have overdone it though.
Yep, if you want to take over the house it’s probably not a great idea to repeatedly nuke it first.
You were only supposed to blow the bloody doors off.
Truss stays until the Tory party can agree on a successor for a coronation or there's a full blown leadership contest.
It's possible the MPs then largely (e.g. 75%+) back one candidate and put supreme pressure on the runner up to withdraw to skip the members round.
Think Theresa May/Andrea Leadsom in 2016.
I’d cash out of your exit date bet, if I were you?
I would have thought the Braverman resignation, especially if due partially to Immigration policy, would make it almost impossible for a Tory coronation.
If the threshold is 150 MPs to be nominated a coronation still very possible
Why not make the threshold 357 MPs so that there is no doubt?
They'd never reach it.
Because Truss would get distracted and would forget to vote.
I thought that Hunt would bring a period of calm, but the government is still completely wracked with crisis. Is there any person who can bring any stability to this situation as PM?
Feels a bit like it's too far gone for that now. There's too much division and bad feeling. There needs to be an election.
No, there shouldn’t be an election until at least late 2024. It is in the long term interest of the country and it’s people that the Tories utterly destroy themselves to the extent the party no longer exists. The traditional one nation Conservatives can form a new party or join the Lib Dems. The HYUFD, Braverman, Francois wing can join Farage in a British Union Of Trumpists and see themselves politically annihilated by ordinary decent people.
The party will always exist, certainly under FPTP.
About a third of the UK population are also ideologically right of centre despite your sanctimonious, patronising high horse comment that that automatically makes them not decent people
You have not the first bloody idea how terminal this is, mate. I am an inherited land, inherited money, fox-hunting drunk. You have lost me, you have lost a good 50% of the people I know, and certainly in my case this is well beyond any "until normal service is resumed" sort of clause. It is over. for your lifetime.
No, you are an uncouth oik about as Tory as John Prescott.
Even if as likely Labour wins the next general election if the economy fails to recover the pendulum will swiftly swing back
How do you know Ishmael didn't go to somewhere posh like Eton?
IIRC he went to Oxford anyway which should certainly qualify him in your eyes.
I went to an older and more distinguished school than Eton.
So that's a 20.5% swing from Conservative to Labour and through Baxter (allowing for the 60% willingness to vote tactically indicated in the R&W "Blue Wall" survey), the Conservatives end up with 7 seats on the current boundaries and 8 seats on next year's proposed boundaries.
On the current boundaries, they would hold three seats in Lincolnshire, three in Essex and Staffordshire South,
I thought that Hunt would bring a period of calm, but the government is still completely wracked with crisis. Is there any person who can bring any stability to this situation as PM?
Feels a bit like it's too far gone for that now. There's too much division and bad feeling. There needs to be an election.
No, there shouldn’t be an election until at least late 2024. It is in the long term interest of the country and it’s people that the Tories utterly destroy themselves to the extent the party no longer exists. The traditional one nation Conservatives can form a new party or join the Lib Dems. The HYUFD, Braverman, Francois wing can join Farage in a British Union Of Trumpists and see themselves politically annihilated by ordinary decent people.
The party will always exist, certainly under FPTP.
About a third of the UK population are also ideologically right of centre despite your sanctimonious, patronising high horse comment that that automatically makes them not decent people
You have not the first bloody idea how terminal this is, mate. I am an inherited land, inherited money, fox-hunting drunk. You have lost me, you have lost a good 50% of the people I know, and certainly in my case this is well beyond any "until normal service is resumed" sort of clause. It is over. for your lifetime.
No, you are an uncouth oik about as Tory as John Prescott.
Even if as likely Labour wins the next general election if the economy fails to recover the pendulum will swiftly swing back
Haha! Ishmael has an educational pedigree, regardless of anything else, which, if he were a Tory MP would have you tipping your forelock and begging him to use your bottom as his crumpet rack on morning toasting duty before chapel.
What do the punters here think the chances are of an election within the next 3-6 months.
The only thing Tory MPs can currently agree on is the necessity to avoid a general election.
I wonder. The new intake must have seen the writing on the wall for some time and been making plans. The brand is getting so toxic that it is probably worth taking the hit of 2 years salary so as to have Tory MP 2019-22 on your CV vs Tory MP 2019-25.
Truss stays until the Tory party can agree on a successor for a coronation or there's a full blown leadership contest.
It's possible the MPs then largely (e.g. 75%+) back one candidate and put supreme pressure on the runner up to withdraw to skip the members round.
Think Theresa May/Andrea Leadsom in 2016.
I agree. The Tories are paralysed. They daren't risk a leadership contest until they can be certain the barking-mad membership can be by-passed. I don't see an easy path to achieving that.
It's immaterial. Quite how waiting for the Conservative Party to fuck about for the rest of the year whilst it whittles down a list of candidates to two and then sends them off to the members for a lengthy series of debates is in any slight degree in the national interest is quite beyond me. And there's still no guarantee that they won't be seduced by another nut.
To paraphrase, this Government has been sat too long here for any good they have been doing. Depart, I say, and let us have done with them. In the name of God, go!
Tough, we Tories got 3 years of Gordon Brown imposed on us despite him never winning a general election and you will wait your turn until the next election too!
In order to drag this ludicrous pantomime out until January 2025, your MPs have first to pass a budget, and then either to rally behind Truss or manage to pick a viable successor without the entire Party imploding in an orgy of internecine warfare and eye gouging. Neither of these things is a given.
Truss stays until the Tory party can agree on a successor for a coronation or there's a full blown leadership contest.
It's possible the MPs then largely (e.g. 75%+) back one candidate and put supreme pressure on the runner up to withdraw to skip the members round.
Think Theresa May/Andrea Leadsom in 2016.
I agree. The Tories are paralysed. They daren't risk a leadership contest until they can be certain the barking-mad membership can be by-passed. I don't see an easy path to achieving that.
It's immaterial. Quite how waiting for the Conservative Party to fuck about for the rest of the year whilst it whittles down a list of candidates to two and then sends them off to the members for a lengthy series of debates is in any slight degree in the national interest is quite beyond me. And there's still no guarantee that they won't be seduced by another nut.
To paraphrase, this Government has been sat too long here for any good they have been doing. Depart, I say, and let us have done with them. In the name of God, go!
Tough, we Tories got 3 years of Gordon Brown imposed on us despite him never winning a general election and you will wait your turn until the next election too!
In order to drag this ludicrous pantomime out until January 2025, your MPs have first to pass a budget, and then either to rally behind Truss or manage to pick a viable successor without the entire Party imploding in an orgy of internecine warfare and eye gouging. Neither of these things is a given.
They have a majority of 80, they certainly can
Majority is now 72 following byelection defeats plus a defection.
You are Justin, formerly of this parish, are you not?
I thought that Hunt would bring a period of calm, but the government is still completely wracked with crisis. Is there any person who can bring any stability to this situation as PM?
Feels a bit like it's too far gone for that now. There's too much division and bad feeling. There needs to be an election.
No, there shouldn’t be an election until at least late 2024. It is in the long term interest of the country and it’s people that the Tories utterly destroy themselves to the extent the party no longer exists. The traditional one nation Conservatives can form a new party or join the Lib Dems. The HYUFD, Braverman, Francois wing can join Farage in a British Union Of Trumpists and see themselves politically annihilated by ordinary decent people.
The party will always exist, certainly under FPTP.
About a quarter to a third of the UK population are also ideologically right of centre despite your sanctimonious, patronising high horse comment that that automatically makes them not decent people
I agree that a quarter to a third of the UK population are also ideologically right of centre and that most are decent people. It’s the extreme 5% that have taken over your party that are damaging the country. I also believe that you are a decent person, but why do you continue to defend the indefensible?
I didn't vote for Truss but even now the Tories are still getting about 20 to 25% of the vote, that is rather more than an ultra extreme mere 5% of the population
There’s a difference between Tory voters and Tory members. Your party has been taken over by extremists like the Liverpool Labour party in the 1980s.
Jessica Elgot @jessicaelgot · 27m Tory MP says they believe letters of no confidence will be “at least three figures” tomorrow. When does it become unsustainable?
I thought that Hunt would bring a period of calm, but the government is still completely wracked with crisis. Is there any person who can bring any stability to this situation as PM?
Feels a bit like it's too far gone for that now. There's too much division and bad feeling. There needs to be an election.
No, there shouldn’t be an election until at least late 2024. It is in the long term interest of the country and it’s people that the Tories utterly destroy themselves to the extent the party no longer exists. The traditional one nation Conservatives can form a new party or join the Lib Dems. The HYUFD, Braverman, Francois wing can join Farage in a British Union Of Trumpists and see themselves politically annihilated by ordinary decent people.
The party will always exist, certainly under FPTP.
About a third of the UK population are also ideologically right of centre despite your sanctimonious, patronising high horse comment that that automatically makes them not decent people
You have not the first bloody idea how terminal this is, mate. I am an inherited land, inherited money, fox-hunting drunk. You have lost me, you have lost a good 50% of the people I know, and certainly in my case this is well beyond any "until normal service is resumed" sort of clause. It is over. for your lifetime.
No, you are an uncouth oik about as Tory as John Prescott.
Even if as likely Labour wins the next general election if the economy fails to recover the pendulum will swiftly swing back
Haha! Ishmael has an educational pedigree, regardless of anything else, which, if he were a Tory MP would have you tipping your forelock and begging him to use your bottom as his crumpet rack on morning toasting duty before chapel.
Jessica Elgot @jessicaelgot · 27m Tory MP says they believe letters of no confidence will be “at least three figures” tomorrow. When does it become unsustainable?
It already is. The question is when it actually ends.
I thought that Hunt would bring a period of calm, but the government is still completely wracked with crisis. Is there any person who can bring any stability to this situation as PM?
Feels a bit like it's too far gone for that now. There's too much division and bad feeling. There needs to be an election.
No, there shouldn’t be an election until at least late 2024. It is in the long term interest of the country and it’s people that the Tories utterly destroy themselves to the extent the party no longer exists. The traditional one nation Conservatives can form a new party or join the Lib Dems. The HYUFD, Braverman, Francois wing can join Farage in a British Union Of Trumpists and see themselves politically annihilated by ordinary decent people.
The party will always exist, certainly under FPTP.
About a quarter to a third of the UK population are also ideologically right of centre despite your sanctimonious, patronising high horse comment that that automatically makes them not decent people
I agree that a quarter to a third of the UK population are also ideologically right of centre and that most are decent people. It’s the extreme 5% that have taken over your party that are damaging the country. I also believe that you are a decent person, but why do you continue to defend the indefensible?
I didn't vote for Truss but even now the Tories are still getting about 20 to 25% of the vote, that is rather more than an ultra extreme mere 5% of the population
You supported Truss' policies and you now support policies which are the complete opposite.
You are no one, you hold no political views, you are loyal to nothing, you have no political beliefs. Nothing.
But you are great on opinion polls.
No I didn't, I never supported the 45p cut in the top income tax rate nor her former republicanism nor her cutting free travel for veterans to Remembrance Sunday.
As a break from politics, denizens of this board might be interested to know that, to, apparently, the general indifference of all, the Cook Islands have just beaten Wales in the Rugby League World Cup. This doesn't appear to be the surprise you might expect: Cook Islands appears to be essentially a team of Australians who were expected to win. The match managed to almost half fill Leigh Sports Village. Best thing about the coverage was the Wales coach - who was straight out if central casting as rugby league coach - coming out with the memorable phrase "your mind's in a washing machine".
I thought that Hunt would bring a period of calm, but the government is still completely wracked with crisis. Is there any person who can bring any stability to this situation as PM?
Feels a bit like it's too far gone for that now. There's too much division and bad feeling. There needs to be an election.
No, there shouldn’t be an election until at least late 2024. It is in the long term interest of the country and it’s people that the Tories utterly destroy themselves to the extent the party no longer exists. The traditional one nation Conservatives can form a new party or join the Lib Dems. The HYUFD, Braverman, Francois wing can join Farage in a British Union Of Trumpists and see themselves politically annihilated by ordinary decent people.
The party will always exist, certainly under FPTP.
About a quarter to a third of the UK population are also ideologically right of centre despite your sanctimonious, patronising high horse comment that that automatically makes them not decent people
I agree that a quarter to a third of the UK population are also ideologically right of centre and that most are decent people. It’s the extreme 5% that have taken over your party that are damaging the country. I also believe that you are a decent person, but why do you continue to defend the indefensible?
I didn't vote for Truss but even now the Tories are still getting about 20 to 25% of the vote, that is rather more than an ultra extreme mere 5% of the population
You supported Truss' policies and you now support policies which are the complete opposite.
You are no one, you hold no political views, you are loyal to nothing, you have no political beliefs. Nothing.
But you are great on opinion polls.
No I didn't, I never supported the 45p cut in the top income tax rate nor her former republicanism nor her cutting free travel for veterans to Remembrance Sunday.
If anyone wanted to predict this shambles they should have read Alan Duncan's book. He said everything Johnson touched would turn to shit and he would be a complete disaster as PM and take the party down with him
Well Duncan was wrong in that as Johnson won the biggest Tory landslide since Thatcher after May left a hung parliament, got Brexit completed and oversaw the roll out of the vaccines.
Only since Boris was removed has the party descended into the current chaos and huge Labour lead
Labour were getting leads of over 10% when Boris was PM.
Yes, it has gotten much worse because Truss has collapsed things, but the Tories were quite a way behind already, and it has gone into overdrive only in the last 2 weeks.
As good a job as Boris did in 2019, you simply cannot pretend that he was as popular in 2022 as he was in 2019. Times have moved on. He was behind.
The question was whether he could recover from that position. MPs felt the answer was no.
MPs have been wrong before, they were wrong about Truss deserving of being in the final two for a start, but let's also not forget that the Tories you like the most, such as JRM, were vocal Truss backers, and Boris wanted her to win over Rishi as well.
The last Opinium poll before Boris resigned had Labour just 5% ahead, they are now 21% ahead
Just stop this idiotic denial of toxic Johnson who has led us to today and I hope you and your fellow ERG travellers are marginalised as those of is who are one nation conservatives fight for a decent compassionate honest and responsible party
Johnson was leading a One Nation government with a huge majority he won until the likes of you demanded he had to go because he ate a birthday cake and had an afterwork drink. It was then you who handed the party over to the libertarians
Keep repeating this crap doesn't make it true. Nobody complained about him eating birthday cake and an after work drink and you know it.
Yes they did, the left and liberals like you did as you wanted any excuse to get him out as his winning the EU referendum and getting Brexit done and trouncing you at the 2019 general election was unforgiveable in your eyes
Firstly, unlike you I don't bear grudges or have vendettas so no. Please don't impose your own mental flaws upon me. I wanted him out because of the endless lies, corruption and disruption and pushing the constitution to its limits. I did not give a toss that he had birthday cake or a glass of wine after work. Parties with case loads of drinks and discos yes, but only because of the hypocrisy.
Of course you do, you have always hated Boris and wanted to knife him as soon as the opportunity arose. The birthday cake and after work drinks were just the excuse you needed.
Boris was never at any of the discos
Deluded. As I told you earlier I actually quite liked Boris prior to him becoming PM and I don't lie so please retract. I have never criticised him for the birthday cake or drinking wine outside. If you look back at my posts you will see I defended the cake episode as an absurd item to get a fine, so again please retract your inaccurate post.
Please stop making stuff up about me.
PS I never suggested Boris was at a disco. The fact that it happened, amongst other stuff that he repeatedly lied about, was the issue, along with all the other stuff.
So that's a 20.5% swing from Conservative to Labour and through Baxter (allowing for the 60% willingness to vote tactically indicated in the R&W "Blue Wall" survey), the Conservatives end up with 7 seats on the current boundaries and 8 seats on next year's proposed boundaries.
On the current boundaries, they would hold three seats in Lincolnshire, three in Essex and Staffordshire South,
I thought that Hunt would bring a period of calm, but the government is still completely wracked with crisis. Is there any person who can bring any stability to this situation as PM?
Feels a bit like it's too far gone for that now. There's too much division and bad feeling. There needs to be an election.
No, there shouldn’t be an election until at least late 2024. It is in the long term interest of the country and it’s people that the Tories utterly destroy themselves to the extent the party no longer exists. The traditional one nation Conservatives can form a new party or join the Lib Dems. The HYUFD, Braverman, Francois wing can join Farage in a British Union Of Trumpists and see themselves politically annihilated by ordinary decent people.
The party will always exist, certainly under FPTP.
About a third of the UK population are also ideologically right of centre despite your sanctimonious, patronising high horse comment that that automatically makes them not decent people
You have not the first bloody idea how terminal this is, mate. I am an inherited land, inherited money, fox-hunting drunk. You have lost me, you have lost a good 50% of the people I know, and certainly in my case this is well beyond any "until normal service is resumed" sort of clause. It is over. for your lifetime.
No, you are an uncouth oik about as Tory as John Prescott.
Even if as likely Labour wins the next general election if the economy fails to recover the pendulum will swiftly swing back
Your name calling is idiotic but maybe a sign of sheer panic that your little Englander ERG loving time is nearing an end
If I was genuinely a Little Englander ERG I would have voted Leave and for Truss not Sunak
I thought that Hunt would bring a period of calm, but the government is still completely wracked with crisis. Is there any person who can bring any stability to this situation as PM?
Feels a bit like it's too far gone for that now. There's too much division and bad feeling. There needs to be an election.
No, there shouldn’t be an election until at least late 2024. It is in the long term interest of the country and it’s people that the Tories utterly destroy themselves to the extent the party no longer exists. The traditional one nation Conservatives can form a new party or join the Lib Dems. The HYUFD, Braverman, Francois wing can join Farage in a British Union Of Trumpists and see themselves politically annihilated by ordinary decent people.
The party will always exist, certainly under FPTP.
About a third of the UK population are also ideologically right of centre despite your sanctimonious, patronising high horse comment that that automatically makes them not decent people
You have not the first bloody idea how terminal this is, mate. I am an inherited land, inherited money, fox-hunting drunk. You have lost me, you have lost a good 50% of the people I know, and certainly in my case this is well beyond any "until normal service is resumed" sort of clause. It is over. for your lifetime.
No, you are an uncouth oik about as Tory as John Prescott.
Even if as likely Labour wins the next general election if the economy fails to recover the pendulum will swiftly swing back
How do you know Ishmael didn't go to somewhere posh like Eton?
IIRC he went to Oxford anyway which should certainly qualify him in your eyes.
I went to an older and more distinguished school than Eton.
Not Roundhay Comprehensive, surely?
Wouldn't aspire to that.
And not St Peter's York which astonishingly genuinely dates from AD 627.
As a break from politics, denizens of this board might be interested to know that, to, apparently, the general indifference of all, the Cook Islands have just beaten Wales in the Rugby League World Cup. This doesn't appear to be the surprise you might expect: Cook Islands appears to be essentially a team of Australians who were expected to win. The match managed to almost half fill Leigh Sports Village. Best thing about the coverage was the Wales coach - who was straight out if central casting as rugby league coach - coming out with the memorable phrase "your mind's in a washing machine".
As a break from politics, denizens of this board might be interested to know that, to, apparently, the general indifference of all, the Cook Islands have just beaten Wales in the Rugby League World Cup. This doesn't appear to be the surprise you might expect: Cook Islands appears to be essentially a team of Australians who were expected to win. The match managed to almost half fill Leigh Sports Village. Best thing about the coverage was the Wales coach - who was straight out if central casting as rugby league coach - coming out with the memorable phrase "your mind's in a washing machine".
We might well see similar with rugby union, given their changes to international qualification rules, there are going to be loads of top class players with pacific island heritage who aren't going to be tied to NZ / Australia just because they represented a couple of times.
I thought that Hunt would bring a period of calm, but the government is still completely wracked with crisis. Is there any person who can bring any stability to this situation as PM?
Feels a bit like it's too far gone for that now. There's too much division and bad feeling. There needs to be an election.
No, there shouldn’t be an election until at least late 2024. It is in the long term interest of the country and it’s people that the Tories utterly destroy themselves to the extent the party no longer exists. The traditional one nation Conservatives can form a new party or join the Lib Dems. The HYUFD, Braverman, Francois wing can join Farage in a British Union Of Trumpists and see themselves politically annihilated by ordinary decent people.
The party will always exist, certainly under FPTP.
About a quarter to a third of the UK population are also ideologically right of centre despite your sanctimonious, patronising high horse comment that that automatically makes them not decent people
I agree that a quarter to a third of the UK population are also ideologically right of centre and that most are decent people. It’s the extreme 5% that have taken over your party that are damaging the country. I also believe that you are a decent person, but why do you continue to defend the indefensible?
I didn't vote for Truss but even now the Tories are still getting about 20 to 25% of the vote, that is rather more than an ultra extreme mere 5% of the population
You supported Truss' policies and you now support policies which are the complete opposite.
You are no one, you hold no political views, you are loyal to nothing, you have no political beliefs. Nothing.
But you are great on opinion polls.
No I didn't, I never supported the 45p cut in the top income tax rate nor her former republicanism nor her cutting free travel for veterans to Remembrance Sunday.
I thought that Hunt would bring a period of calm, but the government is still completely wracked with crisis. Is there any person who can bring any stability to this situation as PM?
Feels a bit like it's too far gone for that now. There's too much division and bad feeling. There needs to be an election.
No, there shouldn’t be an election until at least late 2024. It is in the long term interest of the country and it’s people that the Tories utterly destroy themselves to the extent the party no longer exists. The traditional one nation Conservatives can form a new party or join the Lib Dems. The HYUFD, Braverman, Francois wing can join Farage in a British Union Of Trumpists and see themselves politically annihilated by ordinary decent people.
The party will always exist, certainly under FPTP.
About a third of the UK population are also ideologically right of centre despite your sanctimonious, patronising high horse comment that that automatically makes them not decent people
You have not the first bloody idea how terminal this is, mate. I am an inherited land, inherited money, fox-hunting drunk. You have lost me, you have lost a good 50% of the people I know, and certainly in my case this is well beyond any "until normal service is resumed" sort of clause. It is over. for your lifetime.
No, you are an uncouth oik about as Tory as John Prescott.
Even if as likely Labour wins the next general election if the economy fails to recover the pendulum will swiftly swing back
How do you know Ishmael didn't go to somewhere posh like Eton?
IIRC he went to Oxford anyway which should certainly qualify him in your eyes.
I went to an older and more distinguished school than Eton.
Not Roundhay Comprehensive, surely?
Wouldn't aspire to that.
And not St Peter's York which astonishingly genuinely dates from AD 627.
King's Canterbury claims to be 30 years older than that.
So that's a 20.5% swing from Conservative to Labour and through Baxter (allowing for the 60% willingness to vote tactically indicated in the R&W "Blue Wall" survey), the Conservatives end up with 7 seats on the current boundaries and 8 seats on next year's proposed boundaries.
On the current boundaries, they would hold three seats in Lincolnshire, three in Essex and Staffordshire South,
7 allowing for the willingness of 60% of Labour and LD voters to vote tactically in their particular constituency to unseat a sitting Conservative (as reported in the Redfield & Wilton "Blue Wall" survey)
I thought that Hunt would bring a period of calm, but the government is still completely wracked with crisis. Is there any person who can bring any stability to this situation as PM?
Feels a bit like it's too far gone for that now. There's too much division and bad feeling. There needs to be an election.
No, there shouldn’t be an election until at least late 2024. It is in the long term interest of the country and it’s people that the Tories utterly destroy themselves to the extent the party no longer exists. The traditional one nation Conservatives can form a new party or join the Lib Dems. The HYUFD, Braverman, Francois wing can join Farage in a British Union Of Trumpists and see themselves politically annihilated by ordinary decent people.
The party will always exist, certainly under FPTP.
About a third of the UK population are also ideologically right of centre despite your sanctimonious, patronising high horse comment that that automatically makes them not decent people
You have not the first bloody idea how terminal this is, mate. I am an inherited land, inherited money, fox-hunting drunk. You have lost me, you have lost a good 50% of the people I know, and certainly in my case this is well beyond any "until normal service is resumed" sort of clause. It is over. for your lifetime.
No, you are an uncouth oik about as Tory as John Prescott.
Even if as likely Labour wins the next general election if the economy fails to recover the pendulum will swiftly swing back
How do you know Ishmael didn't go to somewhere posh like Eton?
IIRC he went to Oxford anyway which should certainly qualify him in your eyes.
I thought that Hunt would bring a period of calm, but the government is still completely wracked with crisis. Is there any person who can bring any stability to this situation as PM?
Feels a bit like it's too far gone for that now. There's too much division and bad feeling. There needs to be an election.
No, there shouldn’t be an election until at least late 2024. It is in the long term interest of the country and it’s people that the Tories utterly destroy themselves to the extent the party no longer exists. The traditional one nation Conservatives can form a new party or join the Lib Dems. The HYUFD, Braverman, Francois wing can join Farage in a British Union Of Trumpists and see themselves politically annihilated by ordinary decent people.
The party will always exist, certainly under FPTP.
About a third of the UK population are also ideologically right of centre despite your sanctimonious, patronising high horse comment that that automatically makes them not decent people
You have not the first bloody idea how terminal this is, mate. I am an inherited land, inherited money, fox-hunting drunk. You have lost me, you have lost a good 50% of the people I know, and certainly in my case this is well beyond any "until normal service is resumed" sort of clause. It is over. for your lifetime.
No, you are an uncouth oik about as Tory as John Prescott.
Even if as likely Labour wins the next general election if the economy fails to recover the pendulum will swiftly swing back
How do you know Ishmael didn't go to somewhere posh like Eton?
IIRC he went to Oxford anyway which should certainly qualify him in your eyes.
Stuff politics. Cook Islands join the pantheon of heroes by beating Wales in the World Cup. #legends #notsamoathistime
Did I not hear this morning that Wales have not won a game at the Rugby League WC since about 2001?
Probably true.
Nobody in Wales cares about Rugby League.
Not sure large parts of England do either.
The reality is that the money has got really good in union* over the past 10-15 years, so that's the game you want to play if the oval ball game is your thing.
* the way Worchester and Wasps have gone bust, too good by the looks of it.
I thought that Hunt would bring a period of calm, but the government is still completely wracked with crisis. Is there any person who can bring any stability to this situation as PM?
Feels a bit like it's too far gone for that now. There's too much division and bad feeling. There needs to be an election.
No, there shouldn’t be an election until at least late 2024. It is in the long term interest of the country and it’s people that the Tories utterly destroy themselves to the extent the party no longer exists. The traditional one nation Conservatives can form a new party or join the Lib Dems. The HYUFD, Braverman, Francois wing can join Farage in a British Union Of Trumpists and see themselves politically annihilated by ordinary decent people.
The party will always exist, certainly under FPTP.
About a quarter to a third of the UK population are also ideologically right of centre despite your sanctimonious, patronising high horse comment that that automatically makes them not decent people
I agree that a quarter to a third of the UK population are also ideologically right of centre and that most are decent people. It’s the extreme 5% that have taken over your party that are damaging the country. I also believe that you are a decent person, but why do you continue to defend the indefensible?
I didn't vote for Truss but even now the Tories are still getting about 20 to 25% of the vote, that is rather more than an ultra extreme mere 5% of the population
They *were* getting 20-25% in the polls, but that was at least two Tory disasters ago!
So that's a 20.5% swing from Conservative to Labour and through Baxter (allowing for the 60% willingness to vote tactically indicated in the R&W "Blue Wall" survey), the Conservatives end up with 7 seats on the current boundaries and 8 seats on next year's proposed boundaries.
On the current boundaries, they would hold three seats in Lincolnshire, three in Essex and Staffordshire South,
I thought that Hunt would bring a period of calm, but the government is still completely wracked with crisis. Is there any person who can bring any stability to this situation as PM?
Feels a bit like it's too far gone for that now. There's too much division and bad feeling. There needs to be an election.
No, there shouldn’t be an election until at least late 2024. It is in the long term interest of the country and it’s people that the Tories utterly destroy themselves to the extent the party no longer exists. The traditional one nation Conservatives can form a new party or join the Lib Dems. The HYUFD, Braverman, Francois wing can join Farage in a British Union Of Trumpists and see themselves politically annihilated by ordinary decent people.
The party will always exist, certainly under FPTP.
About a third of the UK population are also ideologically right of centre despite your sanctimonious, patronising high horse comment that that automatically makes them not decent people
You have not the first bloody idea how terminal this is, mate. I am an inherited land, inherited money, fox-hunting drunk. You have lost me, you have lost a good 50% of the people I know, and certainly in my case this is well beyond any "until normal service is resumed" sort of clause. It is over. for your lifetime.
No, you are an uncouth oik about as Tory as John Prescott.
Even if as likely Labour wins the next general election if the economy fails to recover the pendulum will swiftly swing back
How do you know Ishmael didn't go to somewhere posh like Eton?
IIRC he went to Oxford anyway which should certainly qualify him in your eyes.
I thought that Hunt would bring a period of calm, but the government is still completely wracked with crisis. Is there any person who can bring any stability to this situation as PM?
Feels a bit like it's too far gone for that now. There's too much division and bad feeling. There needs to be an election.
No, there shouldn’t be an election until at least late 2024. It is in the long term interest of the country and it’s people that the Tories utterly destroy themselves to the extent the party no longer exists. The traditional one nation Conservatives can form a new party or join the Lib Dems. The HYUFD, Braverman, Francois wing can join Farage in a British Union Of Trumpists and see themselves politically annihilated by ordinary decent people.
The party will always exist, certainly under FPTP.
About a third of the UK population are also ideologically right of centre despite your sanctimonious, patronising high horse comment that that automatically makes them not decent people
You have not the first bloody idea how terminal this is, mate. I am an inherited land, inherited money, fox-hunting drunk. You have lost me, you have lost a good 50% of the people I know, and certainly in my case this is well beyond any "until normal service is resumed" sort of clause. It is over. for your lifetime.
No, you are an uncouth oik about as Tory as John Prescott.
Even if as likely Labour wins the next general election if the economy fails to recover the pendulum will swiftly swing back
How do you know Ishmael didn't go to somewhere posh like Eton?
IIRC he went to Oxford anyway which should certainly qualify him in your eyes.
So that's a 20.5% swing from Conservative to Labour and through Baxter (allowing for the 60% willingness to vote tactically indicated in the R&W "Blue Wall" survey), the Conservatives end up with 7 seats on the current boundaries and 8 seats on next year's proposed boundaries.
On the current boundaries, they would hold three seats in Lincolnshire, three in Essex and Staffordshire South,
I don't understand this Conservative Party drama. Can't their parents just come and collect them? The party's over, they're tired and fractious, it's time to go home.
Stuff politics. Cook Islands join the pantheon of heroes by beating Wales in the World Cup. #legends #notsamoathistime
Did I not hear this morning that Wales have not won a game at the Rugby League WC since about 2001?
Probably true.
Nobody in Wales cares about Rugby League.
I was waiting for my curry in Cowbridge a couple of weeks ago with Wales Rugby League legend (1 cap?) Brynmor Williams. When I lived in Whitchurch I used to get my Chinese from the same takeaway in Llandaff that Jiffy used. All those takeaways no wonder we're sh*t!
The cabinet appointed by Truss was very poor. They didn't have the credibility and stature of the politicians from 2010-2019. This problem goes back to Boris Johnson and his expulsion of the centrist wing of the Consrvative party, and their replacement with acolytes. Braverman is an interesting example of this, she got in to the position where she is by debasing her status as a lawyer to serve the political whims of the government, as Attorney General; then 'rose' to Home Secretary where she freelanced on policy and briefed against the PM. (Quite funny to see Braverman continue to use the title KC, as if anyone would go to her for any sort of legal advice). With the master strategist Johnson out the way, they all collapsed in to total chaos within about 10 days.
The only redeeming factor is a) despite everything, we have been spared Jeremy Corbyn and b) perhaps we have now reached rock bottom, and there will be some sort of restoration of reasonably competent government.
Speaking outside the Carlton Club in central London, where Cabinet members were meeting, she said: “It was a great victory today for the Chief Whip, great credit to her."<\i>
Stuff politics. Cook Islands join the pantheon of heroes by beating Wales in the World Cup. #legends #notsamoathistime
Did I not hear this morning that Wales have not won a game at the Rugby League WC since about 2001?
Probably true.
Nobody in Wales cares about Rugby League.
Apart from Jonathon ‘Jiffy’ Davies.
Complete aside - was at Pembroke Castle on Saturday. A video history of the castle was narrated by Eddie Butler. Lovely to hear him again, but sad also.
I thought that Hunt would bring a period of calm, but the government is still completely wracked with crisis. Is there any person who can bring any stability to this situation as PM?
Feels a bit like it's too far gone for that now. There's too much division and bad feeling. There needs to be an election.
No, there shouldn’t be an election until at least late 2024. It is in the long term interest of the country and it’s people that the Tories utterly destroy themselves to the extent the party no longer exists. The traditional one nation Conservatives can form a new party or join the Lib Dems. The HYUFD, Braverman, Francois wing can join Farage in a British Union Of Trumpists and see themselves politically annihilated by ordinary decent people.
The party will always exist, certainly under FPTP.
About a third of the UK population are also ideologically right of centre despite your sanctimonious, patronising high horse comment that that automatically makes them not decent people
You have not the first bloody idea how terminal this is, mate. I am an inherited land, inherited money, fox-hunting drunk. You have lost me, you have lost a good 50% of the people I know, and certainly in my case this is well beyond any "until normal service is resumed" sort of clause. It is over. for your lifetime.
No, you are an uncouth oik about as Tory as John Prescott.
Even if as likely Labour wins the next general election if the economy fails to recover the pendulum will swiftly swing back
How do you know Ishmael didn't go to somewhere posh like Eton?
IIRC he went to Oxford anyway which should certainly qualify him in your eyes.
And he read Classics.
Certe, verbum sapienti satis est.
Ecce homo qui est faba.
You bean at the sauce again?
LVII varietates.
That numeral is only relevant with Heinz sight.
I only read this site to ketchup with the latest wordplay.
The last few days have left me pondering how the press and PB Tories would be reacting if a Labour government were presiding over this kind of chaos. We would probably have had a coup by now. Whereas as a Labour supporter watching this carnage unfold my main feeling is a kind of gallows humour in the macabre spectacle of it all. I ought to be more angry about it I suppose - they really are trashing this country's reputation. But the last few years have left me feeling so numbed by the sheer awfulness of the people who rule us and their idiotic schemes that I just can't rouse myself to even fucking care anymore.
I thought that Hunt would bring a period of calm, but the government is still completely wracked with crisis. Is there any person who can bring any stability to this situation as PM?
Feels a bit like it's too far gone for that now. There's too much division and bad feeling. There needs to be an election.
No, there shouldn’t be an election until at least late 2024. It is in the long term interest of the country and it’s people that the Tories utterly destroy themselves to the extent the party no longer exists. The traditional one nation Conservatives can form a new party or join the Lib Dems. The HYUFD, Braverman, Francois wing can join Farage in a British Union Of Trumpists and see themselves politically annihilated by ordinary decent people.
The party will always exist, certainly under FPTP.
About a third of the UK population are also ideologically right of centre despite your sanctimonious, patronising high horse comment that that automatically makes them not decent people
You have not the first bloody idea how terminal this is, mate. I am an inherited land, inherited money, fox-hunting drunk. You have lost me, you have lost a good 50% of the people I know, and certainly in my case this is well beyond any "until normal service is resumed" sort of clause. It is over. for your lifetime.
No, you are an uncouth oik about as Tory as John Prescott.
Even if as likely Labour wins the next general election if the economy fails to recover the pendulum will swiftly swing back
How do you know Ishmael didn't go to somewhere posh like Eton?
IIRC he went to Oxford anyway which should certainly qualify him in your eyes.
And he read Classics.
Certe, verbum sapienti satis est.
Ecce homo qui est faba.
You bean at the sauce again?
LVII varietates.
That numeral is only relevant with Heinz sight.
I only read this site to ketchup with the latest wordplay.
OK, enough evidence for me to bail out of laying the 2022 exit now.
Only a £7 loss as it happens, so not too bad.
It's my lay of Rishi next PM which concerns me. Is he absent because he is just absent, or is he due to come back stronger than we could ever imagine?
Notable that he ain't the new Home Sec, anyway.
He’s gone full Superman II - stepped away from his powers for a normal life but when the world is troubled he’s going to come back and crush Liz Luthor and cronies.
I don't understand this Conservative Party drama. Can't their parents just come and collect them? The party's over, they're tired and fractious, it's time to go home.
I thought that Hunt would bring a period of calm, but the government is still completely wracked with crisis. Is there any person who can bring any stability to this situation as PM?
Feels a bit like it's too far gone for that now. There's too much division and bad feeling. There needs to be an election.
No, there shouldn’t be an election until at least late 2024. It is in the long term interest of the country and it’s people that the Tories utterly destroy themselves to the extent the party no longer exists. The traditional one nation Conservatives can form a new party or join the Lib Dems. The HYUFD, Braverman, Francois wing can join Farage in a British Union Of Trumpists and see themselves politically annihilated by ordinary decent people.
The party will always exist, certainly under FPTP.
About a third of the UK population are also ideologically right of centre despite your sanctimonious, patronising high horse comment that that automatically makes them not decent people
You have not the first bloody idea how terminal this is, mate. I am an inherited land, inherited money, fox-hunting drunk. You have lost me, you have lost a good 50% of the people I know, and certainly in my case this is well beyond any "until normal service is resumed" sort of clause. It is over. for your lifetime.
No, you are an uncouth oik about as Tory as John Prescott.
Even if as likely Labour wins the next general election if the economy fails to recover the pendulum will swiftly swing back
How do you know Ishmael didn't go to somewhere posh like Eton?
IIRC he went to Oxford anyway which should certainly qualify him in your eyes.
And he read Classics.
Certe, verbum sapienti satis est.
Ecce homo qui est faba.
You bean at the sauce again?
LVII varietates.
That numeral is only relevant with Heinz sight.
I only read this site to ketchup with the latest wordplay.
Me too, mate o' mine.
This is getting as laboured as that Shelley sonnet.
The one about a statue lying in the sand, which spread for miles around.
The last few days have left me pondering how the press and PB Tories would be reacting if a Labour government were presiding over this kind of chaos. We would probably have had a coup by now. Whereas as a Labour supporter watching this carnage unfold my main feeling is a kind of gallows humour in the macabre spectacle of it all. I ought to be more angry about it I suppose - they really are trashing this country's reputation. But the last few years have left me feeling so numbed by the sheer awfulness of the people who rule us and their idiotic schemes that I just can't rouse myself to even fucking care anymore.
I know it’s not quite in the same league but it’s easy to forget how chaotic it got when plotters were trying to force Gordon Brown out.
Andrew Lilico @andrew_lilico · 2h Please @trussliz . You aren't a bad person. You've served this country with honour for 8 years in senior positions. You must know this can't go on any longer now. For the sake of everyone, go to the King, resign, & recommend he send for Starmer.
I thought that Hunt would bring a period of calm, but the government is still completely wracked with crisis. Is there any person who can bring any stability to this situation as PM?
Feels a bit like it's too far gone for that now. There's too much division and bad feeling. There needs to be an election.
No, there shouldn’t be an election until at least late 2024. It is in the long term interest of the country and it’s people that the Tories utterly destroy themselves to the extent the party no longer exists. The traditional one nation Conservatives can form a new party or join the Lib Dems. The HYUFD, Braverman, Francois wing can join Farage in a British Union Of Trumpists and see themselves politically annihilated by ordinary decent people.
The party will always exist, certainly under FPTP.
About a third of the UK population are also ideologically right of centre despite your sanctimonious, patronising high horse comment that that automatically makes them not decent people
You have not the first bloody idea how terminal this is, mate. I am an inherited land, inherited money, fox-hunting drunk. You have lost me, you have lost a good 50% of the people I know, and certainly in my case this is well beyond any "until normal service is resumed" sort of clause. It is over. for your lifetime.
No, you are an uncouth oik about as Tory as John Prescott.
Even if as likely Labour wins the next general election if the economy fails to recover the pendulum will swiftly swing back
How do you know Ishmael didn't go to somewhere posh like Eton?
IIRC he went to Oxford anyway which should certainly qualify him in your eyes.
And he read Classics.
Certe, verbum sapienti satis est.
Ecce homo qui est faba.
You bean at the sauce again?
LVII varietates.
That numeral is only relevant with Heinz sight.
I only read this site to ketchup with the latest wordplay.
Me too, mate o' mine.
This is getting as laboured as that Shelley sonnet.
The one about a statue lying in the sand, which spread for miles around.
Are you saying there's not mushroom for two of us?
Ch4 News. We are facing disaster which is now unavoidable. It is self inflicted and caused by Brexit. So says Nouriel Roubini.
Utterly ridiculous. The entire world is facing disaster and it’s fuck all to do with Brexit
Bit like this tho, innit
Literally - the world has moved on, and the problems the UK is facing are due to the world economy, Covid, and the Ukraine situation. The Brexit thing is minuscule in comparison.
I sometimes yearn for a nuclear war just to see how people manage to blame it on Brexit.
I'm sure people will still be arguing we'd have better access to nutritious rats and preferential access to the EU's tinned bean mountain if only we were still part of the common market.
Is covid much of a factor now? It seems to have become a background issue compared to the price shock and the rank incompetence of the government
Covid is still being felt in supply chains, especially with China's zero covid policy
I am also waiting for enough data to prove my theory that the WFH revolution is massively beneficial to the skilled, educated class who can be trusted to work from home efficiently and effectively, but massively detrimental to the wider economy because most people are neither skilled, nor able to be trusted to work from home effectively. My thesis is that the WFH boom massively benefits the managerial class who are inherently hard working and dedicated, but leads to far lower productivity amongst lower skilled workers who need more direct management.
The managerial class hate wfh....it proves mostly they arent needed to be looking over staff shoulders all the time. The only people I have ever heard object to working from home are those that cant, people who own offices and middle managers who had the raison d'etre of supervising staff now working from home
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It is unclear if the PM has now received the resignation letters of her Chief Whip and Deputy Chief Whip.
More at our live blog: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/10/19/liz-truss-news-jeremy-hunt-resign-election-pmqs-live/
#LizTrussPM
Changes from 2019:
Labour: 52% (+20)
Conservative: 22% (-21)
Liberal Democrat: 11% (-1)
SNP: 4%
Green: 2% (-1)
So that's a 20.5% swing from Conservative to Labour and through Baxter (allowing for the 60% willingness to vote tactically indicated in the R&W "Blue Wall" survey), the Conservatives end up with 7 seats on the current boundaries and 8 seats on next year's proposed boundaries.
On the current boundaries, they would hold three seats in Lincolnshire, three in Essex and Staffordshire South,
Don't forget when Peter Wright was planning to take down the Wilson Government, Charles's uncle, Lord Louis Mountbatten was pencilled in as titular PM.
Where are our right wing coup plotters when they are needed these days?
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UPDATE Liz Truss is now in the Whips' Office in the House of Commons, a MP tells me.
You are no one, you hold no political views, you are loyal to nothing, you have no political beliefs. Nothing.
But you are great on opinion polls.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_PX1cVuaVA
British politics October 10th 2022
https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/fcgi-bin/usercode.py?scotcontrol=Y&CON=22&LAB=52&LIB=11&Reform=2&Green=3&UKIP=&TVCON=&TVLAB=&TVLIB=&TVReform=&TVGreen=&TVUKIP=&SCOTCON=14.2&SCOTLAB=30.5&SCOTLIB=6.5&SCOTReform=0&SCOTGreen=0.8&SCOTUKIP=&SCOTNAT=45&display=AllChanged&regorseat=(none)&boundary=2019base
Jessica Elgot
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Tory MP says they believe letters of no confidence will be “at least three figures” tomorrow. When does it become unsustainable?
Steve Baker tells me he has seen the deputy chief whip tonight, who reassured him neither are quitting tonight.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/20143730/liz-truss-news-latest-interview-resign/
This doesn't appear to be the surprise you might expect: Cook Islands appears to be essentially a team of Australians who were expected to win.
The match managed to almost half fill Leigh Sports Village.
Best thing about the coverage was the Wales coach - who was straight out if central casting as rugby league coach - coming out with the memorable phrase "your mind's in a washing machine".
Please stop making stuff up about me.
PS I never suggested Boris was at a disco. The fact that it happened, amongst other stuff that he repeatedly lied about, was the issue, along with all the other stuff.
And not St Peter's York which astonishingly genuinely dates from AD 627.
https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/fcgi-bin/usercode.py?scotcontrol=Y&tvcontrol=Y&CON=22&LAB=52&LIB=11&Reform=2&Green=3&UKIP=&TVCON=&TVLAB=60&TVLIB=60&TVReform=&TVGreen=&TVUKIP=&SCOTCON=14.2&SCOTLAB=30.5&SCOTLIB=6.5&SCOTReform=0&SCOTGreen=0.8&SCOTUKIP=&SCOTNAT=45&display=AllChanged&regorseat=(none)&boundary=2019base
Nobody in Wales cares about Rugby League.
Only a £7 loss as it happens, so not too bad.
* Graham Stuart told by No 10 to announce 3-line whip suspended
* Nobody told chief whip Wendy Morton, who quit on spot
* Deputy chief whip Craig Whittaker also gone, he's 'absolutely fucking furious'
* Truss barracked by own MPs in voting lobby
https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1582808337170587648
The reality is that the money has got really good in union* over the past 10-15 years, so that's the game you want to play if the oval ball game is your thing.
* the way Worchester and Wasps have gone bust, too good by the looks of it.
Notable that he ain't the new Home Sec, anyway.
Full details at our live blog: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/10/19/liz-truss-news-jeremy-hunt-resign-election-pmqs-live/
https://twitter.com/amy_hoggart/status/1582827337800093696
The only redeeming factor is a) despite everything, we have been spared Jeremy Corbyn and b) perhaps we have now reached rock bottom, and there will be some sort of restoration of reasonably competent government.
https://twitter.com/PA/status/1582825033743085570
Deputy Prime Minister Therese Coffey (pictured) has said the Chief Whip Wendy Morton did a “great job”.
Speaking outside the Carlton Club in central London, where Cabinet members were meeting, she said: “It was a great victory today for the Chief Whip, great credit to her."<\i>
Complete aside - was at Pembroke Castle on Saturday. A video history of the castle was narrated by Eddie Butler. Lovely to hear him again, but sad also.
But, I have only a tiny profit on him.
Catching up on the news.
What the fecking feck is going on?
Shambles. Total bloody shambles.
They need to meet tonight FFS.
The architect of most of this shit.
Whereas as a Labour supporter watching this carnage unfold my main feeling is a kind of gallows humour in the macabre spectacle of it all. I ought to be more angry about it I suppose - they really are trashing this country's reputation. But the last few years have left me feeling so numbed by the sheer awfulness of the people who rule us and their idiotic schemes that I just can't rouse myself to even fucking care anymore.
Worth a try?
35/1
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The one about a statue lying in the sand, which spread for miles around.
Oh, we are way beyond that. Googolplex shambles.
Andrew Lilico
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@trussliz
. You aren't a bad person. You've served this country with honour for 8 years in senior positions. You must know this can't go on any longer now. For the sake of everyone, go to the King, resign, & recommend he send for Starmer.