Just 30% of GE2019 CON voters say Truss would be “best PM” – politicalbetting.com
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If I was Liz Truss I wouldn’t wait to be thrown out of office by my party. I hope I’d resign. The country and markets have resoundingly rejected my signature agenda. It would be entirely self-serving to stay in office without mission, without credibility and without popularity.
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Maybe it's a typo.MarqueeMark said:
Jut imagine how many drafts of it he will have got through by then.... Lol!Scott_xP said:Kwasi Kwarteng says he won't be preempting October 31st statement.... https://twitter.com/siobhankennedy4/status/1580546387619434497
Kwasi Kwarteng says he won't be presenting October 31st statement....0 -
Oh FGS they need to stop messing around. Scrap the budget. Go back to previous plans + price cap. October statement to focus solely on how you pay for the price cap. If you want to be clever and revisit things do it in the March budget*Scott_xP said:NEW: Liz Truss on cusp of putting up corporation tax as part of Downing Street climbdown from her huge package of unfunded tax cuts - sources.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/oct/13/liz-truss-may-raise-corporation-tax-in-further-budget-u-turn?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
*preferably delivered by a new chancellor under a new PM.
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Liz Truss is now less popular than John Major was in the wake of Black Wednesday, Sir John Curtice tells @BBCWorldatOne
'The lack of confidence in the market seems to feed into public perceptions that the government doesn't know what it's doing
'She is regarded as incompetent'
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Well ours are meant be doubling by some time next year anyway aren't they?wooliedyed said:American markets pricing in a 13% chance (and increasing) apparently of a 1% base rate rise in the US.
Would be catastrophic for us and the EU and completely gut the US housing market0 -
I’m in prole class. Free flight (writing for the Gazette) but proleMarqueeMark said:
Jut imagine how many drafts of it he will have got through by then.... Lol!Scott_xP said:Kwasi Kwarteng says he won't be preempting October 31st statement.... https://twitter.com/siobhankennedy4/status/1580546387619434497
I thought about upgrading myself - it’s long - but I checked the prices. £7000 extra for a one way business ticket
Utterly insane. I’m a fairly affluent man but fuck that1 -
ASDA be you, coming out with that.ydoethur said:
We're going to be under a Lidl pressure.kyf_100 said:
Wow. I always saw him as more of a Waitrose/M&S kinda guy. If the cost of living crisis has reduced Leon to shopping in Iceland, imagine how poor the rest of us must be!MarqueeMark said:0 -
There is another factor. KT are seen as malevolent and amoral. Team Starmer wouldn't have all the answers on a plate. But would be less "fuck you" than the current lot.Driver said:
An election isn't the answer because, whilst it will lead to a change of government, the new government also doesn't have a clue what to do. If Sir Keir had an economic plan (beyond putting up taxes, although it looks like the incumbents are going to be forced to render that policy moot) then the markets would react by assuming he will win (which he will) and implement the policies he has announced. But if he doesn't announce them until the start of the election campaign, the market has less time to analyse them.MarqueeMark said:
Can you imagine the markets - with four weeks of nobody in control?RochdalePioneers said:https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/1580489441013293056
Someone who was a v senor cabinet minister this year has put their association on notice for Election this year. They have a v safe seat but already preparing full bells and whistles campaigning this weekend you would expect in the run up to polling day. "It's coming," they say.
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The path to a collapse of the government which requires an election is fascinating. Two possible routes I can think of:
1) Operation Samson. Faced with calls for her head and her imminent demise, Truss proposes a motion that there be a general election. All opposition parties support, and despite "oh hell no" responses from various Tories it sneaks through.
2) The collapse of the government. No clear putsch against Truss emerges but despite an ever larger number of policy reversals her authority collapses completely, but with no clear agreement on a successor. With the markets in free-fall and the Tories in denial a no-confidence motion is put and sneaks through when the treasury bench tries to do a bravura defence and it falls flat.
No, the Conservative Party cannot inflict that on the country. Put somebody in Downing Street - 10 and 11 - that can move us away from Truss and Kwarteng. And make the right noises to Mr. Market.0 -
Both pound and stockmarket have rallied - is that the U-turn, or the nasty US inflation figures ?MarqueeMark said:
She's already got the pound heading to parity with the seashell in four weeks.Chris said:
Surely it's not hard. Imagine the markets with Truss and Kwarteng "in office but out of control" and then imagine something not as bad.MarqueeMark said:
Can you imagine the markets - with four weeks of nobody in control?RochdalePioneers said:https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/1580489441013293056
Someone who was a v senor cabinet minister this year has put their association on notice for Election this year. They have a v safe seat but already preparing full bells and whistles campaigning this weekend you would expect in the run up to polling day. "It's coming," they say.
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The path to a collapse of the government which requires an election is fascinating. Two possible routes I can think of:
1) Operation Samson. Faced with calls for her head and her imminent demise, Truss proposes a motion that there be a general election. All opposition parties support, and despite "oh hell no" responses from various Tories it sneaks through.
2) The collapse of the government. No clear putsch against Truss emerges but despite an ever larger number of policy reversals her authority collapses completely, but with no clear agreement on a successor. With the markets in free-fall and the Tories in denial a no-confidence motion is put and sneaks through when the treasury bench tries to do a bravura defence and it falls flat.0 -
In America the decision is to accept a recession in order to put inflation back in its box. And I agree with this. Recessions come and go, hyper-inflation destroys society.wooliedyed said:American markets pricing in a 13% chance (and increasing) apparently of a 1% base rate rise in the US.
Would be catastrophic for us and the EU and completely gut the US housing market0 -
It's currently the Euro which is being put through the mincer. Sterling is up 1.5c against it and it is down to 96.5c against the almighty dollar.MarqueeMark said:
She's already got the pound heading to parity with the seashell in four weeks.Chris said:
Surely it's not hard. Imagine the markets with Truss and Kwarteng "in office but out of control" and then imagine something not as bad.MarqueeMark said:
Can you imagine the markets - with four weeks of nobody in control?RochdalePioneers said:https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/1580489441013293056
Someone who was a v senor cabinet minister this year has put their association on notice for Election this year. They have a v safe seat but already preparing full bells and whistles campaigning this weekend you would expect in the run up to polling day. "It's coming," they say.
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The path to a collapse of the government which requires an election is fascinating. Two possible routes I can think of:
1) Operation Samson. Faced with calls for her head and her imminent demise, Truss proposes a motion that there be a general election. All opposition parties support, and despite "oh hell no" responses from various Tories it sneaks through.
2) The collapse of the government. No clear putsch against Truss emerges but despite an ever larger number of policy reversals her authority collapses completely, but with no clear agreement on a successor. With the markets in free-fall and the Tories in denial a no-confidence motion is put and sneaks through when the treasury bench tries to do a bravura defence and it falls flat.3 -
Better still, the markets have now priced this in. If she doesn't do what is being leaked then the reaction will be furious...numbertwelve said:
Oh FGS they need to stop messing around. Scrap the budget. Go back to previous plans + price cap. October statement to focus solely on how you pay for the price cap. If you want to be clever and revisit things do it in the March budget*Scott_xP said:NEW: Liz Truss on cusp of putting up corporation tax as part of Downing Street climbdown from her huge package of unfunded tax cuts - sources.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/oct/13/liz-truss-may-raise-corporation-tax-in-further-budget-u-turn?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
*preferably delivered by a new chancellor under a new PM.0 -
A cabinet minister until a few weeks ago has just told me @trussliz ‘has unleashed hell on this country.’ The language being used by senior Conservatives, the incredulity, the cold fury is like nothing I’ve seen in decades of covering UK politics
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The FTSE fell over 2% from HoD on the news of US inflation and is currently down 1.25%Nigelb said:
Both pound and stockmarket have rallied - is that the U-turn, or the nasty US inflation figures ?MarqueeMark said:
She's already got the pound heading to parity with the seashell in four weeks.Chris said:
Surely it's not hard. Imagine the markets with Truss and Kwarteng "in office but out of control" and then imagine something not as bad.MarqueeMark said:
Can you imagine the markets - with four weeks of nobody in control?RochdalePioneers said:https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/1580489441013293056
Someone who was a v senor cabinet minister this year has put their association on notice for Election this year. They have a v safe seat but already preparing full bells and whistles campaigning this weekend you would expect in the run up to polling day. "It's coming," they say.
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The path to a collapse of the government which requires an election is fascinating. Two possible routes I can think of:
1) Operation Samson. Faced with calls for her head and her imminent demise, Truss proposes a motion that there be a general election. All opposition parties support, and despite "oh hell no" responses from various Tories it sneaks through.
2) The collapse of the government. No clear putsch against Truss emerges but despite an ever larger number of policy reversals her authority collapses completely, but with no clear agreement on a successor. With the markets in free-fall and the Tories in denial a no-confidence motion is put and sneaks through when the treasury bench tries to do a bravura defence and it falls flat.
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I’m so old I remember some PBers assured me Truss would surprise on the upside.Scott_xP said:Liz Truss is now less popular than John Major was in the wake of Black Wednesday, Sir John Curtice tells @BBCWorldatOne
'The lack of confidence in the market seems to feed into public perceptions that the government doesn't know what it's doing
'She is regarded as incompetent'
https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1580548796479549440
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Imagine being a newspaper editor who supported Brexit. You’re about to lose your second PM in a few weeks… who you gonna blame? Bank of England? Yes! Wokeness? Maybe. Brexit? Never! Yourself?
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He’s right. She should resign with dignity. Go down with graceScott_xP said:If I was Liz Truss I wouldn’t wait to be thrown out of office by my party. I hope I’d resign. The country and markets have resoundingly rejected my signature agenda. It would be entirely self-serving to stay in office without mission, without credibility and without popularity.
https://twitter.com/montie/status/1580541500710010880
One decent speech and then she’s a footnote
The times are cruel. But at least she can say “I was prime minister”0 -
Big problem with this statement is...it's govt sources who have today 'preempted' his Halloween statement.
Is his position now untentable? https://twitter.com/siobhankennedy4/status/15805463876194344971 -
So the brilliant Tory MPs who removed Boris have ended up with a replacement leader who has doubled Starmer's lead as preferred PM0
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Starmer is going to be given lots of room by the public. Expect lots of tax increases when he comes in.RochdalePioneers said:
There is another factor. KT are seen as malevolent and amoral. Team Starmer wouldn't have all the answers on a plate. But would be less "fuck you" than the current lot.Driver said:
An election isn't the answer because, whilst it will lead to a change of government, the new government also doesn't have a clue what to do. If Sir Keir had an economic plan (beyond putting up taxes, although it looks like the incumbents are going to be forced to render that policy moot) then the markets would react by assuming he will win (which he will) and implement the policies he has announced. But if he doesn't announce them until the start of the election campaign, the market has less time to analyse them.MarqueeMark said:
Can you imagine the markets - with four weeks of nobody in control?RochdalePioneers said:https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/1580489441013293056
Someone who was a v senor cabinet minister this year has put their association on notice for Election this year. They have a v safe seat but already preparing full bells and whistles campaigning this weekend you would expect in the run up to polling day. "It's coming," they say.
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The path to a collapse of the government which requires an election is fascinating. Two possible routes I can think of:
1) Operation Samson. Faced with calls for her head and her imminent demise, Truss proposes a motion that there be a general election. All opposition parties support, and despite "oh hell no" responses from various Tories it sneaks through.
2) The collapse of the government. No clear putsch against Truss emerges but despite an ever larger number of policy reversals her authority collapses completely, but with no clear agreement on a successor. With the markets in free-fall and the Tories in denial a no-confidence motion is put and sneaks through when the treasury bench tries to do a bravura defence and it falls flat.
No, the Conservative Party cannot inflict that on the country. Put somebody in Downing Street - 10 and 11 - that can move us away from Truss and Kwarteng. And make the right noises to Mr. Market.0 -
Would you pay her 150 grand for an after-dinner speech?Leon said:
He’s right. She should resign with dignity. Go down with graceScott_xP said:If I was Liz Truss I wouldn’t wait to be thrown out of office by my party. I hope I’d resign. The country and markets have resoundingly rejected my signature agenda. It would be entirely self-serving to stay in office without mission, without credibility and without popularity.
https://twitter.com/montie/status/1580541500710010880
One decent speech and then she’s a footnote
The times are cruel. But at least she can say “I was prime minister”0 -
Law student etches tiny notes on pens to cheat on exam
https://metro.co.uk/2022/10/12/law-student-etches-tiny-notes-on-pens-to-cheat-on-exam-17551215/0 -
Aaaaaand there’s the screaming baby0
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Karteng's position is absurd within the government. In Washington, he's just said "I’ll be coming out with a statement on 31 October and I’m not going to preempt that", but back in the UK the PM is having crisis talks about what to do about the mini-budget disaster, and every man and his dog associated with the government are pre-empting like mad. Very hard to see how he survives, and in any case Liz T needs a fall guy.0
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"Talent development"...
Michigan county hires ‘Stop the Steal’ ringleader to recruit poll workers
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/10/12/michigan-county-hires-stop-the-steal-ringleader-to-recruit-poll-workers-00061564
A social media influencer who implored a crowd to “storm the gates” of the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021, has been hired by a Michigan county clerk as the “talent development specialist” working with poll workers in one of the battleground state’s biggest swing regions, according to an email obtained by POLITICO...0 -
Truss's only problems are that (a) no one likes her and (b) she doesn't seem to have a clue what she is doing. Those are not insoluble problems.0
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John Major is probably the one Tory delighted with how Truss is doing.Scott_xP said:Liz Truss is now less popular than John Major was in the wake of Black Wednesday, Sir John Curtice tells @BBCWorldatOne
'The lack of confidence in the market seems to feed into public perceptions that the government doesn't know what it's doing
'She is regarded as incompetent'
https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1580548796479549440
At the moment on current polls she will easily take his crown as having led the Conservatives to their worst general election defeat since universal suffrage0 -
Latest state of government communication: asked if she can guarantee there won’t be any more changes to tax plans in mini budget, Chloe Smith, the work and pensions secretary, says: “ I'm not in a position to answer your question this afternoon”
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would have been quicker to learn the stuffTheScreamingEagles said:Law student etches tiny notes on pens to cheat on exam
https://metro.co.uk/2022/10/12/law-student-etches-tiny-notes-on-pens-to-cheat-on-exam-17551215/1 -
The U-turn, then.wooliedyed said:
The FTSE fell over 2% from HoD on the news of US inflation and is currently down 1.25%Nigelb said:
Both pound and stockmarket have rallied - is that the U-turn, or the nasty US inflation figures ?MarqueeMark said:
She's already got the pound heading to parity with the seashell in four weeks.Chris said:
Surely it's not hard. Imagine the markets with Truss and Kwarteng "in office but out of control" and then imagine something not as bad.MarqueeMark said:
Can you imagine the markets - with four weeks of nobody in control?RochdalePioneers said:https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/1580489441013293056
Someone who was a v senor cabinet minister this year has put their association on notice for Election this year. They have a v safe seat but already preparing full bells and whistles campaigning this weekend you would expect in the run up to polling day. "It's coming," they say.
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The path to a collapse of the government which requires an election is fascinating. Two possible routes I can think of:
1) Operation Samson. Faced with calls for her head and her imminent demise, Truss proposes a motion that there be a general election. All opposition parties support, and despite "oh hell no" responses from various Tories it sneaks through.
2) The collapse of the government. No clear putsch against Truss emerges but despite an ever larger number of policy reversals her authority collapses completely, but with no clear agreement on a successor. With the markets in free-fall and the Tories in denial a no-confidence motion is put and sneaks through when the treasury bench tries to do a bravura defence and it falls flat.
Pound is well off highs of the day0 -
I have to keep reminding myself these days who used to be fervent members of the C&UP amongst the PBers.DavidL said:
Maybe this sophistication stuff is a bit overrated?HYUFD said:So the brilliant Tory MPs who removed Boris have ended up with a replacement leader who has doubled Starmer's lead as preferred PM
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In a way, if she goes soon after just a few weeks - she will have a unique brand. Something sellable. The famously short serving Liz Truss PMCarnyx said:
Would you pay her 150 grand for an after-dinner speech?Leon said:
He’s right. She should resign with dignity. Go down with graceScott_xP said:If I was Liz Truss I wouldn’t wait to be thrown out of office by my party. I hope I’d resign. The country and markets have resoundingly rejected my signature agenda. It would be entirely self-serving to stay in office without mission, without credibility and without popularity.
https://twitter.com/montie/status/1580541500710010880
One decent speech and then she’s a footnote
The times are cruel. But at least she can say “I was prime minister”
If she slogs on she will be an inferior version of Theresa May, who is a stupid boring detestable witch
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Except for the Joe Biden multi trillion dollar massively inflationary anti inflation billkinabalu said:
In America the decision is to accept a recession in order to put inflation back in its box. And I agree with this. Recessions come and go, hyper-inflation destroys society.wooliedyed said:American markets pricing in a 13% chance (and increasing) apparently of a 1% base rate rise in the US.
Would be catastrophic for us and the EU and completely gut the US housing market
And core inflation continues to rise, bond markets are in a state of rout.
Powell is going to impoverish us all.0 -
Perhaps she could go down the Tommy Cooper route and make a virtue out of incompetence- Tommy got a lot more popular when he stopped doing serious magic and pretended to mess things upCarnyx said:
Would you pay her 150 grand for an after-dinner speech?Leon said:
He’s right. She should resign with dignity. Go down with graceScott_xP said:If I was Liz Truss I wouldn’t wait to be thrown out of office by my party. I hope I’d resign. The country and markets have resoundingly rejected my signature agenda. It would be entirely self-serving to stay in office without mission, without credibility and without popularity.
https://twitter.com/montie/status/1580541500710010880
One decent speech and then she’s a footnote
The times are cruel. But at least she can say “I was prime minister”0 -
No, but there might be work advertising Dominos Pizzas ?Carnyx said:
Would you pay her 150 grand for an after-dinner speech?Leon said:
He’s right. She should resign with dignity. Go down with graceScott_xP said:If I was Liz Truss I wouldn’t wait to be thrown out of office by my party. I hope I’d resign. The country and markets have resoundingly rejected my signature agenda. It would be entirely self-serving to stay in office without mission, without credibility and without popularity.
https://twitter.com/montie/status/1580541500710010880
One decent speech and then she’s a footnote
The times are cruel. But at least she can say “I was prime minister”1 -
Who makes around £20,000 an hour giving speeches.Leon said:
In a way, if she goes soon after just a few weeks - she will have a unique brand. Something sellable. The famously short serving Liz Truss PMCarnyx said:
Would you pay her 150 grand for an after-dinner speech?Leon said:
He’s right. She should resign with dignity. Go down with graceScott_xP said:If I was Liz Truss I wouldn’t wait to be thrown out of office by my party. I hope I’d resign. The country and markets have resoundingly rejected my signature agenda. It would be entirely self-serving to stay in office without mission, without credibility and without popularity.
https://twitter.com/montie/status/1580541500710010880
One decent speech and then she’s a footnote
The times are cruel. But at least she can say “I was prime minister”
If she slogs on she will be an inferior version of Theresa May, who is a stupid boring detestable witch1 -
I think one of the reasons we are here is because the parties were that bad, and Johnson initially escaped censure for lying to Parliament about them.DavidL said:So, in hindsight those parties weren't that bad were they? And at least he knew he was lying, and could keep a straight face about it. And although he had a series of muppets in his Cabinet things could have been worse, apparently.
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That's the only way I can explain why Truss and Kwarteng thought it was okay to have a budget statement without the OBR forecasts. They thought they could get away with quite a lot with impunity.2 -
She could present a documentary on British cheese.0
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No whey.numbertwelve said:She could present a documentary on British cheese.
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Not me, never been a member (and its pretty unlikely to happen now).Carnyx said:
I have to keep reminding myself these days who used to be fervent members of the C&UP amongst the PBers.DavidL said:
Maybe this sophistication stuff is a bit overrated?HYUFD said:So the brilliant Tory MPs who removed Boris have ended up with a replacement leader who has doubled Starmer's lead as preferred PM
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Do they still have those GOLF SALE sandwich boards?Nigelb said:
No, but there might be work advertising Dominos Pizzas ?Carnyx said:
Would you pay her 150 grand for an after-dinner speech?Leon said:
He’s right. She should resign with dignity. Go down with graceScott_xP said:If I was Liz Truss I wouldn’t wait to be thrown out of office by my party. I hope I’d resign. The country and markets have resoundingly rejected my signature agenda. It would be entirely self-serving to stay in office without mission, without credibility and without popularity.
https://twitter.com/montie/status/1580541500710010880
One decent speech and then she’s a footnote
The times are cruel. But at least she can say “I was prime minister”0 -
I'd get out of bed for that ...ydoethur said:
Who makes around £20,000 an hour giving speeches.Leon said:
In a way, if she goes soon after just a few weeks - she will have a unique brand. Something sellable. The famously short serving Liz Truss PMCarnyx said:
Would you pay her 150 grand for an after-dinner speech?Leon said:
He’s right. She should resign with dignity. Go down with graceScott_xP said:If I was Liz Truss I wouldn’t wait to be thrown out of office by my party. I hope I’d resign. The country and markets have resoundingly rejected my signature agenda. It would be entirely self-serving to stay in office without mission, without credibility and without popularity.
https://twitter.com/montie/status/1580541500710010880
One decent speech and then she’s a footnote
The times are cruel. But at least she can say “I was prime minister”
If she slogs on she will be an inferior version of Theresa May, who is a stupid boring detestable witch0 -
George Osborne @George_Osborne
Given the pain being caused to the real economy by the financial turbulence, it’s not clear why it is in anyone’s interests to wait 18 more days before the inevitable u-turn on the mini budget3 -
The subtext says yes, sirNigelb said:
The U-turn, then.wooliedyed said:
The FTSE fell over 2% from HoD on the news of US inflation and is currently down 1.25%Nigelb said:
Both pound and stockmarket have rallied - is that the U-turn, or the nasty US inflation figures ?MarqueeMark said:
She's already got the pound heading to parity with the seashell in four weeks.Chris said:
Surely it's not hard. Imagine the markets with Truss and Kwarteng "in office but out of control" and then imagine something not as bad.MarqueeMark said:
Can you imagine the markets - with four weeks of nobody in control?RochdalePioneers said:https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/1580489441013293056
Someone who was a v senor cabinet minister this year has put their association on notice for Election this year. They have a v safe seat but already preparing full bells and whistles campaigning this weekend you would expect in the run up to polling day. "It's coming," they say.
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The path to a collapse of the government which requires an election is fascinating. Two possible routes I can think of:
1) Operation Samson. Faced with calls for her head and her imminent demise, Truss proposes a motion that there be a general election. All opposition parties support, and despite "oh hell no" responses from various Tories it sneaks through.
2) The collapse of the government. No clear putsch against Truss emerges but despite an ever larger number of policy reversals her authority collapses completely, but with no clear agreement on a successor. With the markets in free-fall and the Tories in denial a no-confidence motion is put and sneaks through when the treasury bench tries to do a bravura defence and it falls flat.
Pound is well off highs of the day0 -
Theresa May won most seats at a general election and never crashed the economy as quickly as Truss has done.Leon said:
In a way, if she goes soon after just a few weeks - she will have a unique brand. Something sellable. The famously short serving Liz Truss PMCarnyx said:
Would you pay her 150 grand for an after-dinner speech?Leon said:
He’s right. She should resign with dignity. Go down with graceScott_xP said:If I was Liz Truss I wouldn’t wait to be thrown out of office by my party. I hope I’d resign. The country and markets have resoundingly rejected my signature agenda. It would be entirely self-serving to stay in office without mission, without credibility and without popularity.
https://twitter.com/montie/status/1580541500710010880
One decent speech and then she’s a footnote
The times are cruel. But at least she can say “I was prime minister”
If she slogs on she will be an inferior version of Theresa May, who is a stupid boring detestable witch
Theresa May is a colossus compared to Liz Truss5 -
She can also dine out on anecdotes around the succession.Leon said:
In a way, if she goes soon after just a few weeks - she will have a unique brand. Something sellable. The famously short serving Liz Truss PMCarnyx said:
Would you pay her 150 grand for an after-dinner speech?Leon said:
He’s right. She should resign with dignity. Go down with graceScott_xP said:If I was Liz Truss I wouldn’t wait to be thrown out of office by my party. I hope I’d resign. The country and markets have resoundingly rejected my signature agenda. It would be entirely self-serving to stay in office without mission, without credibility and without popularity.
https://twitter.com/montie/status/1580541500710010880
One decent speech and then she’s a footnote
The times are cruel. But at least she can say “I was prime minister”
If she slogs on she will be an inferior version of Theresa May, who is a stupid boring detestable witch
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She could leave by warning of chaos as she couldn't get her plan through.Leon said:
He’s right. She should resign with dignity. Go down with graceScott_xP said:If I was Liz Truss I wouldn’t wait to be thrown out of office by my party. I hope I’d resign. The country and markets have resoundingly rejected my signature agenda. It would be entirely self-serving to stay in office without mission, without credibility and without popularity.
https://twitter.com/montie/status/1580541500710010880
One decent speech and then she’s a footnote
The times are cruel. But at least she can say “I was prime minister”
Then she will say 'I told you so'. Because chaos is coming whatever happens.0 -
"I can write this small"TheScreamingEagles said:Law student etches tiny notes on pens to cheat on exam
https://metro.co.uk/2022/10/12/law-student-etches-tiny-notes-on-pens-to-cheat-on-exam-17551215/
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Really? Never had you down as a May fan, but there we are.Carnyx said:
I'd get out of bed for that ...ydoethur said:
Who makes around £20,000 an hour giving speeches.Leon said:
In a way, if she goes soon after just a few weeks - she will have a unique brand. Something sellable. The famously short serving Liz Truss PMCarnyx said:
Would you pay her 150 grand for an after-dinner speech?Leon said:
He’s right. She should resign with dignity. Go down with graceScott_xP said:If I was Liz Truss I wouldn’t wait to be thrown out of office by my party. I hope I’d resign. The country and markets have resoundingly rejected my signature agenda. It would be entirely self-serving to stay in office without mission, without credibility and without popularity.
https://twitter.com/montie/status/1580541500710010880
One decent speech and then she’s a footnote
The times are cruel. But at least she can say “I was prime minister”
If she slogs on she will be an inferior version of Theresa May, who is a stupid boring detestable witch0 -
Proper grown up companies employ people to look at their plans and point out the flaws, the pitfalls, the traps and gotchas before they implement themCarnyx said:
Would you pay her 150 grand for an after-dinner speech?Leon said:
He’s right. She should resign with dignity. Go down with graceScott_xP said:If I was Liz Truss I wouldn’t wait to be thrown out of office by my party. I hope I’d resign. The country and markets have resoundingly rejected my signature agenda. It would be entirely self-serving to stay in office without mission, without credibility and without popularity.
https://twitter.com/montie/status/1580541500710010880
One decent speech and then she’s a footnote
The times are cruel. But at least she can say “I was prime minister”
Truss could have a stellar career as a negative indicator of what not to do next...1 -
If you're pissed as a fart it doesn't matter what class you're in.Leon said:
I’m in prole class. Free flight (writing for the Gazette) but proleMarqueeMark said:
Jut imagine how many drafts of it he will have got through by then.... Lol!Scott_xP said:Kwasi Kwarteng says he won't be preempting October 31st statement.... https://twitter.com/siobhankennedy4/status/1580546387619434497
I thought about upgrading myself - it’s long - but I checked the prices. £7000 extra for a one way business ticket
Utterly insane. I’m a fairly affluent man but fuck that0 -
Apols - there have been so many Sauline conversions it's become easier to assume they've all gone except HYUFD, Trussyguy and the Pirate.DavidL said:
Not me, never been a member (and its pretty unlikely to happen now).Carnyx said:
I have to keep reminding myself these days who used to be fervent members of the C&UP amongst the PBers.DavidL said:
Maybe this sophistication stuff is a bit overrated?HYUFD said:So the brilliant Tory MPs who removed Boris have ended up with a replacement leader who has doubled Starmer's lead as preferred PM
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Kier Starmer doesn't need to come in with a fully formed plan. This whole disaster arose because Truss and Kwarteng stupidly, arrogantly, dived into a tax-slash to appeal to Tory members (three weeks after Tory members had ceased to matter) and had absolutely no detail or convincing analysis behind it.Driver said:
An election isn't the answer because, whilst it will lead to a change of government, the new government also doesn't have a clue what to do. If Sir Keir had an economic plan (beyond putting up taxes, although it looks like the incumbents are going to be forced to render that policy moot) then the markets would react by assuming he will win (which he will) and implement the policies he has announced. But if he doesn't announce them until the start of the election campaign, the market has less time to analyse them.MarqueeMark said:
Can you imagine the markets - with four weeks of nobody in control?RochdalePioneers said:https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/1580489441013293056
Someone who was a v senor cabinet minister this year has put their association on notice for Election this year. They have a v safe seat but already preparing full bells and whistles campaigning this weekend you would expect in the run up to polling day. "It's coming," they say.
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The path to a collapse of the government which requires an election is fascinating. Two possible routes I can think of:
1) Operation Samson. Faced with calls for her head and her imminent demise, Truss proposes a motion that there be a general election. All opposition parties support, and despite "oh hell no" responses from various Tories it sneaks through.
2) The collapse of the government. No clear putsch against Truss emerges but despite an ever larger number of policy reversals her authority collapses completely, but with no clear agreement on a successor. With the markets in free-fall and the Tories in denial a no-confidence motion is put and sneaks through when the treasury bench tries to do a bravura defence and it falls flat.
No, the Conservative Party cannot inflict that on the country. Put somebody in Downing Street - 10 and 11 - that can move us away from Truss and Kwarteng. And make the right noises to Mr. Market.
What markets like is stability and predictability. And, whilst the style can be a problem for him politically, Starmer is in fact boringly, predictably stable. Were he to become PM, the whole point is he'd not be doing anything flash or trying to pull too many rabbits out of hats.
In terms of "analysing" policies in a manifesto, the level of detail just isn't there in a manifesto and that's fine. Manifesto commitments are things you want to do at some point over a five year term following detailed work by civil servants, wide consultation, drafting of legislation and relatively slow passage through Parliament etc. They aren't (in general) things you plan to do in the first month with absolutely no groundwork.1 -
Out of interest, Scott, I understand you were fairly pro-Tory, pre-brexit.Scott_xP said:If I was Liz Truss I wouldn’t wait to be thrown out of office by my party. I hope I’d resign. The country and markets have resoundingly rejected my signature agenda. It would be entirely self-serving to stay in office without mission, without credibility and without popularity.
https://twitter.com/montie/status/1580541500710010880
Is there anyone in the tories who could win you back if they became leader? Or is it all about policy for you and you don’t care about the leader - ie, you’d support anyone who promised to reverse brexit?
Open question to any other former tories, also.
Personally, there are a few sane tories I could theoretically support. For example, I’d be quite content to vote for a Tory party headed by someone compassionate and competent (Robert Halfon?), pursuing a genuine 2019 style levelling up agenda.0 -
Harsh.MarqueeMark said:
Do they still have those GOLF SALE sandwich boards?Nigelb said:
No, but there might be work advertising Dominos Pizzas ?Carnyx said:
Would you pay her 150 grand for an after-dinner speech?Leon said:
He’s right. She should resign with dignity. Go down with graceScott_xP said:If I was Liz Truss I wouldn’t wait to be thrown out of office by my party. I hope I’d resign. The country and markets have resoundingly rejected my signature agenda. It would be entirely self-serving to stay in office without mission, without credibility and without popularity.
https://twitter.com/montie/status/1580541500710010880
One decent speech and then she’s a footnote
The times are cruel. But at least she can say “I was prime minister”
I was thinking first step on the Southgate road to redemption.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWqmqGsTTBI0 -
The only conceivable option for her is to go back on the whole thing and then wait for the news cycle to eventually move on by doing as little as possible. But unlike the 'omnishambles budget', this will actually be remembered by normal people because of the weight impact it will have.numbertwelve said:
Oh FGS they need to stop messing around. Scrap the budget. Go back to previous plans + price cap. October statement to focus solely on how you pay for the price cap. If you want to be clever and revisit things do it in the March budget*Scott_xP said:NEW: Liz Truss on cusp of putting up corporation tax as part of Downing Street climbdown from her huge package of unfunded tax cuts - sources.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/oct/13/liz-truss-may-raise-corporation-tax-in-further-budget-u-turn?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
*preferably delivered by a new chancellor under a new PM.
Anecdata: I know two people currently trying to buy a house (one first time, other in chain) and three people trying to get a mortgage deal. The former folk have both had to pull out of purchases basically because their mortgage offers have shrunk, the latter group are seeing as a minimum multiple hundreds of pounds being added to their monthly outgoings.
The Truss administration is going to be forever associated with making a lot of people (a majority of whom are precisely the sort of people the Tory's ought to want voting for them) a lot worse off. For all of Boris's many, many flaws and failings, he didn't do anything like as much damage to peoples' finances - and while some of this is down to external factors, it is Truss and Kwarteng who have managed to exacerbate it considerably - all while making sure that genuinely rich people pay less tax. It's not just stupendously bad policy, it's stupendously bad politics.3 -
Like Nick Leeson?Scott_xP said:
Proper grown up companies employ people to look at their plans and point out the flaws, the pitfalls, the traps and gotchas before they implement themCarnyx said:
Would you pay her 150 grand for an after-dinner speech?Leon said:
He’s right. She should resign with dignity. Go down with graceScott_xP said:If I was Liz Truss I wouldn’t wait to be thrown out of office by my party. I hope I’d resign. The country and markets have resoundingly rejected my signature agenda. It would be entirely self-serving to stay in office without mission, without credibility and without popularity.
https://twitter.com/montie/status/1580541500710010880
One decent speech and then she’s a footnote
The times are cruel. But at least she can say “I was prime minister”
Truss could have a stellar career as a negative indicator of what not to do next...1 -
But would you get into bed ?Carnyx said:
I'd get out of bed for that ...ydoethur said:
Who makes around £20,000 an hour giving speeches.Leon said:
In a way, if she goes soon after just a few weeks - she will have a unique brand. Something sellable. The famously short serving Liz Truss PMCarnyx said:
Would you pay her 150 grand for an after-dinner speech?Leon said:
He’s right. She should resign with dignity. Go down with graceScott_xP said:If I was Liz Truss I wouldn’t wait to be thrown out of office by my party. I hope I’d resign. The country and markets have resoundingly rejected my signature agenda. It would be entirely self-serving to stay in office without mission, without credibility and without popularity.
https://twitter.com/montie/status/1580541500710010880
One decent speech and then she’s a footnote
The times are cruel. But at least she can say “I was prime minister”
If she slogs on she will be an inferior version of Theresa May, who is a stupid boring detestable witch0 -
That has no Baring on this situation.Richard_Nabavi said:
Like Nick Leeson?Scott_xP said:
Proper grown up companies employ people to look at their plans and point out the flaws, the pitfalls, the traps and gotchas before they implement themCarnyx said:
Would you pay her 150 grand for an after-dinner speech?Leon said:
He’s right. She should resign with dignity. Go down with graceScott_xP said:If I was Liz Truss I wouldn’t wait to be thrown out of office by my party. I hope I’d resign. The country and markets have resoundingly rejected my signature agenda. It would be entirely self-serving to stay in office without mission, without credibility and without popularity.
https://twitter.com/montie/status/1580541500710010880
One decent speech and then she’s a footnote
The times are cruel. But at least she can say “I was prime minister”
Truss could have a stellar career as a negative indicator of what not to do next...5 -
Asked if he will still be chancellor and Liz Truss PM next week he answers “absolutely”
https://twitter.com/KateEMcCann/status/15805540020846878720 -
Aaargh, mercy, mercy!ydoethur said:
That has no Baring on this situation.Richard_Nabavi said:
Like Nick Leeson?Scott_xP said:
Proper grown up companies employ people to look at their plans and point out the flaws, the pitfalls, the traps and gotchas before they implement themCarnyx said:
Would you pay her 150 grand for an after-dinner speech?Leon said:
He’s right. She should resign with dignity. Go down with graceScott_xP said:If I was Liz Truss I wouldn’t wait to be thrown out of office by my party. I hope I’d resign. The country and markets have resoundingly rejected my signature agenda. It would be entirely self-serving to stay in office without mission, without credibility and without popularity.
https://twitter.com/montie/status/1580541500710010880
One decent speech and then she’s a footnote
The times are cruel. But at least she can say “I was prime minister”
Truss could have a stellar career as a negative indicator of what not to do next...2 -
🚨 Breaking: NO U-turn
On behalf of all UK broadcasters spoken to Chancellor
Is there going to be a u-turn?
“Our position hasn't changed. I will come up with the medium term fiscal plan on the 31st of October as I said earlier in the week, there'll be more detail that”
18 days feels like an awfully long time to try to hold the line at the moment https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/15805535220217937950 -
Not for Ms May, but Dr Turing. Or at least pictures of the latter.ydoethur said:
Really? Never had you down as a May fan, but there we are.Carnyx said:
I'd get out of bed for that ...ydoethur said:
Who makes around £20,000 an hour giving speeches.Leon said:
In a way, if she goes soon after just a few weeks - she will have a unique brand. Something sellable. The famously short serving Liz Truss PMCarnyx said:
Would you pay her 150 grand for an after-dinner speech?Leon said:
He’s right. She should resign with dignity. Go down with graceScott_xP said:If I was Liz Truss I wouldn’t wait to be thrown out of office by my party. I hope I’d resign. The country and markets have resoundingly rejected my signature agenda. It would be entirely self-serving to stay in office without mission, without credibility and without popularity.
https://twitter.com/montie/status/1580541500710010880
One decent speech and then she’s a footnote
The times are cruel. But at least she can say “I was prime minister”
If she slogs on she will be an inferior version of Theresa May, who is a stupid boring detestable witch0 -
yes the Lady Jane Grey of Prime Ministers- Nick Leeson is a pretty popular speaker precisely because he got sacked for causing a multi billion pound crash and black hole (nobody wants to listen to the competent FD who makes 3% over the cost of capital) - So if you are going to be chit be really chit and you are then interesting.Leon said:
In a way, if she goes soon after just a few weeks - she will have a unique brand. Something sellable. The famously short serving Liz Truss PMCarnyx said:
Would you pay her 150 grand for an after-dinner speech?Leon said:
He’s right. She should resign with dignity. Go down with graceScott_xP said:If I was Liz Truss I wouldn’t wait to be thrown out of office by my party. I hope I’d resign. The country and markets have resoundingly rejected my signature agenda. It would be entirely self-serving to stay in office without mission, without credibility and without popularity.
https://twitter.com/montie/status/1580541500710010880
One decent speech and then she’s a footnote
The times are cruel. But at least she can say “I was prime minister”
If she slogs on she will be an inferior version of Theresa May, who is a stupid boring detestable witch
She could do a double act with Kwasi - I would pay for a meal listening to that0 -
I think there are a lot on here who are conservative but not Conservative at the moment!Carnyx said:
Apols - there have been so many Sauline conversions it's become easier to assume they've all gone except HYUFD, Trussyguy and the Pirate.DavidL said:
Not me, never been a member (and its pretty unlikely to happen now).Carnyx said:
I have to keep reminding myself these days who used to be fervent members of the C&UP amongst the PBers.DavidL said:
Maybe this sophistication stuff is a bit overrated?HYUFD said:So the brilliant Tory MPs who removed Boris have ended up with a replacement leader who has doubled Starmer's lead as preferred PM
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He is hardly going to say anything elseScott_xP said:Asked if he will still be chancellor and Liz Truss PM next week he answers “absolutely”
https://twitter.com/KateEMcCann/status/1580554002084687872
However it is not in his hands1 -
Unusual self awareness.Leon said:Aaaaaand there’s the screaming baby
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He’s only going to come up with the plan on 31st October? Fair play I suppose, who knows how much more he’ll have junked the economy by then.Scott_xP said:🚨 Breaking: NO U-turn
On behalf of all UK broadcasters spoken to Chancellor
Is there going to be a u-turn?
“Our position hasn't changed. I will come up with the medium term fiscal plan on the 31st of October as I said earlier in the week, there'll be more detail that”
18 days feels like an awfully long time to try to hold the line at the moment https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/15805535220217937950 -
She can make a fortune on the after-dinner circuit. OK so she doesn't have "I shook hands with x" to talk about. What she has is far more unique. What happens when you reach the top and it all comes crashing down very quickly? And what lessons can we share that you expensive delegates can nod sagely at?"Leon said:
He’s right. She should resign with dignity. Go down with graceScott_xP said:If I was Liz Truss I wouldn’t wait to be thrown out of office by my party. I hope I’d resign. The country and markets have resoundingly rejected my signature agenda. It would be entirely self-serving to stay in office without mission, without credibility and without popularity.
https://twitter.com/montie/status/1580541500710010880
One decent speech and then she’s a footnote
The times are cruel. But at least she can say “I was prime minister”1 -
Never thought I'd agree with HYUFD. Have a like.HYUFD said:
Theresa May won most seats at a general election and never crashed the economy as quickly as Truss has done.Leon said:
In a way, if she goes soon after just a few weeks - she will have a unique brand. Something sellable. The famously short serving Liz Truss PMCarnyx said:
Would you pay her 150 grand for an after-dinner speech?Leon said:
He’s right. She should resign with dignity. Go down with graceScott_xP said:If I was Liz Truss I wouldn’t wait to be thrown out of office by my party. I hope I’d resign. The country and markets have resoundingly rejected my signature agenda. It would be entirely self-serving to stay in office without mission, without credibility and without popularity.
https://twitter.com/montie/status/1580541500710010880
One decent speech and then she’s a footnote
The times are cruel. But at least she can say “I was prime minister”
If she slogs on she will be an inferior version of Theresa May, who is a stupid boring detestable witch
Theresa May is a colossus compared to Liz Truss7 -
Truss and Charles both closing in on Sweyn Forkbeard in the Game of Historical Footnotes. Can she make the unofficial 2 months of Edgar Aethling? He at least hung around into the 12th century unsuccessfully advancing the Anglo Saxon claim. Truss could still be here on that basis in 2057 talking about her 'legitimate government in exile'1
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Was it not 7 lucky goalsCarnyx said:
Be difficult to have seen the present club before 2012, or actually rather later, mind.TheScreamingEagles said:Rangers 1 Liverpool 7.
I haven’t seen Rangers fold like that since 2012.1 -
I would vote for a Conservative and Unionist, most of whom were expelled by BoZo for not supporting his shitty dealping said:Out of interest, Scott, I understand you were fairly pro-Tory, pre-brexit.
Is there anyone in the tories who could win you back if they became leader? Or is it all about policy for you and you don’t care about the leader - ie, you’d support anyone who promised to reverse brexit?2 -
To pull that off, you have to be able to do serious magic.state_go_away said:
Perhaps she could go down the Tommy Cooper route and make a virtue out of incompetence- Tommy got a lot more popular when he stopped doing serious magic and pretended to mess things upCarnyx said:
Would you pay her 150 grand for an after-dinner speech?Leon said:
He’s right. She should resign with dignity. Go down with graceScott_xP said:If I was Liz Truss I wouldn’t wait to be thrown out of office by my party. I hope I’d resign. The country and markets have resoundingly rejected my signature agenda. It would be entirely self-serving to stay in office without mission, without credibility and without popularity.
https://twitter.com/montie/status/1580541500710010880
One decent speech and then she’s a footnote
The times are cruel. But at least she can say “I was prime minister”
Anyone think Truss can do serious politics?
She has basically appeared on the scene saying "I have this great new shiny way of doing things. It'll be GREAT!"
The markets said "Er....no, it really isn't...."
And all you can hear from Truss is a repeat of "It'll be GREAT!" with a blank face and lack of any comprehension of how NOT-GREAT things really are.
Even if she were to do a massive U-turn and basically implement everything Rishi Sunak said needed to be done that wasn't bat-shit crazy, there would be a strong residual fear that when we weren't looking, she'd again come out with some bat-shit crazy stuff accompanied by "It'll be GREAT!"...
Conservative Party, please note: you have already seen the best of Liz Truss. Frightening as that concept might be.....4 -
Speaking of Rangers v Liverpool...
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Everybody is a colossus compared to TrussCarnyx said:
Never thought I'd agree with HYUFD. Have a like.HYUFD said:
Theresa May won most seats at a general election and never crashed the economy as quickly as Truss has done.Leon said:
In a way, if she goes soon after just a few weeks - she will have a unique brand. Something sellable. The famously short serving Liz Truss PMCarnyx said:
Would you pay her 150 grand for an after-dinner speech?Leon said:
He’s right. She should resign with dignity. Go down with graceScott_xP said:If I was Liz Truss I wouldn’t wait to be thrown out of office by my party. I hope I’d resign. The country and markets have resoundingly rejected my signature agenda. It would be entirely self-serving to stay in office without mission, without credibility and without popularity.
https://twitter.com/montie/status/1580541500710010880
One decent speech and then she’s a footnote
The times are cruel. But at least she can say “I was prime minister”
If she slogs on she will be an inferior version of Theresa May, who is a stupid boring detestable witch
Theresa May is a colossus compared to Liz Truss3 -
kinabalu said:
If you're pissed as a fart it doesn't matter what class you're in.Leon said:
I’m in prole class. Free flight (writing for the Gazette) but proleMarqueeMark said:
Jut imagine how many drafts of it he will have got through by then.... Lol!Scott_xP said:Kwasi Kwarteng says he won't be preempting October 31st statement.... https://twitter.com/siobhankennedy4/status/1580546387619434497
I thought about upgrading myself - it’s long - but I checked the prices. £7000 extra for a one way business ticket
Utterly insane. I’m a fairly affluent man but fuck that
Finally. You understand me
And I have an empty seat next to me in a half empty flight so this is basically Biz anyway. And I’ve saved £7000
👍👍
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Chancellor walking in to IMF as No.10 brief they’re preparing to rip up his budget. Great look for the UK. Why have the markets lost confidence. Total mystery…
https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1580554063850090496
https://twitter.com/siobhankennedy4/status/15805463876194344970 -
How many were actually "expelled" and how many just flounced?Scott_xP said:
I would vote for a Conservative and Unionist, most of whom were expelled by [Boris] for not supporting his shitty dealping said:Out of interest, Scott, I understand you were fairly pro-Tory, pre-brexit.
Is there anyone in the tories who could win you back if they became leader? Or is it all about policy for you and you don’t care about the leader - ie, you’d support anyone who promised to reverse brexit?0 -
A small, picked scab....Driver said:
Do they have enough members left to haemorrhage? I'd have thought it was more of a nosebleed.MarqueeMark said:
In Skegness.wooliedyed said:
UKIP partying as if 'twere 2015 againScott_xP said:Great slide from one UKIP Conference presentation https://twitter.com/Direthoughts/status/1580535798717636614 https://twitter.com/christiancalgie/status/1580538024680529920/photo/1
And they wonder why they are haemorrhaging members....0 -
are the lovely air hostesses looking after you Leon? I find it tremendously sad when I board a plane and find I am in the gay stewards section and not the lovely looking air hostesses one.Leon said:kinabalu said:
If you're pissed as a fart it doesn't matter what class you're in.Leon said:
I’m in prole class. Free flight (writing for the Gazette) but proleMarqueeMark said:
Jut imagine how many drafts of it he will have got through by then.... Lol!Scott_xP said:Kwasi Kwarteng says he won't be preempting October 31st statement.... https://twitter.com/siobhankennedy4/status/1580546387619434497
I thought about upgrading myself - it’s long - but I checked the prices. £7000 extra for a one way business ticket
Utterly insane. I’m a fairly affluent man but fuck that
Finally. You understand me
And I have an empty seat next to me in a half empty flight so this is basically Biz anyway. And I’ve saved £7000
👍👍0 -
Ah, a little rhyming couplet too!Big_G_NorthWales said:
Everybody is a colossus compared to TrussCarnyx said:
Never thought I'd agree with HYUFD. Have a like.HYUFD said:
Theresa May won most seats at a general election and never crashed the economy as quickly as Truss has done.Leon said:
In a way, if she goes soon after just a few weeks - she will have a unique brand. Something sellable. The famously short serving Liz Truss PMCarnyx said:
Would you pay her 150 grand for an after-dinner speech?Leon said:
He’s right. She should resign with dignity. Go down with graceScott_xP said:If I was Liz Truss I wouldn’t wait to be thrown out of office by my party. I hope I’d resign. The country and markets have resoundingly rejected my signature agenda. It would be entirely self-serving to stay in office without mission, without credibility and without popularity.
https://twitter.com/montie/status/1580541500710010880
One decent speech and then she’s a footnote
The times are cruel. But at least she can say “I was prime minister”
If she slogs on she will be an inferior version of Theresa May, who is a stupid boring detestable witch
Theresa May is a colossus compared to Liz Truss0 -
INBOX: Leading bookmaker Coral has slashed its odds in half to 8-1 (from 16-1) on Boris Johnson making a return to Number 10 and replacing Liz Truss as prime minister.1
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Easy mistake to make. I generally favoured the Conservative position on economics when it was, err, Conservative. I favoured Brexit but in a balanced way, accepting good and bad and I am of course a dedicated Unionst who will vote for whatever Unionist party has the best chance in the seat, even the Conservatives, even now.Carnyx said:
Apols - there have been so many Sauline conversions it's become easier to assume they've all gone except HYUFD, Trussyguy and the Pirate.DavidL said:
Not me, never been a member (and its pretty unlikely to happen now).Carnyx said:
I have to keep reminding myself these days who used to be fervent members of the C&UP amongst the PBers.DavidL said:
Maybe this sophistication stuff is a bit overrated?HYUFD said:So the brilliant Tory MPs who removed Boris have ended up with a replacement leader who has doubled Starmer's lead as preferred PM
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Who or what is KT? I have been racking my brains to no avail (as it keeps popping up on here)RochdalePioneers said:
There is another factor. KT are seen as malevolent and amoral. Team Starmer wouldn't have all the answers on a plate. But would be less "fuck you" than the current lot.Driver said:
An election isn't the answer because, whilst it will lead to a change of government, the new government also doesn't have a clue what to do. If Sir Keir had an economic plan (beyond putting up taxes, although it looks like the incumbents are going to be forced to render that policy moot) then the markets would react by assuming he will win (which he will) and implement the policies he has announced. But if he doesn't announce them until the start of the election campaign, the market has less time to analyse them.MarqueeMark said:
Can you imagine the markets - with four weeks of nobody in control?RochdalePioneers said:https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/1580489441013293056
Someone who was a v senor cabinet minister this year has put their association on notice for Election this year. They have a v safe seat but already preparing full bells and whistles campaigning this weekend you would expect in the run up to polling day. "It's coming," they say.
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The path to a collapse of the government which requires an election is fascinating. Two possible routes I can think of:
1) Operation Samson. Faced with calls for her head and her imminent demise, Truss proposes a motion that there be a general election. All opposition parties support, and despite "oh hell no" responses from various Tories it sneaks through.
2) The collapse of the government. No clear putsch against Truss emerges but despite an ever larger number of policy reversals her authority collapses completely, but with no clear agreement on a successor. With the markets in free-fall and the Tories in denial a no-confidence motion is put and sneaks through when the treasury bench tries to do a bravura defence and it falls flat.
No, the Conservative Party cannot inflict that on the country. Put somebody in Downing Street - 10 and 11 - that can move us away from Truss and Kwarteng. And make the right noises to Mr. Market.
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Apparently Microsoft Windows now tells me when @KwasiKwarteng has made a statement. I get a little red flashing down arrow on the bottom of my taskbar at the exact moment he finishes talking. https://twitter.com/skysarahjane/status/1580553437816946688 https://twitter.com/EmporersNewC/status/1580555125621665798/photo/12
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I’m flying… Unitedstate_go_away said:
are the lovely air hostesses looking after you Leon?Leon said:kinabalu said:
If you're pissed as a fart it doesn't matter what class you're in.Leon said:
I’m in prole class. Free flight (writing for the Gazette) but proleMarqueeMark said:
Jut imagine how many drafts of it he will have got through by then.... Lol!Scott_xP said:Kwasi Kwarteng says he won't be preempting October 31st statement.... https://twitter.com/siobhankennedy4/status/1580546387619434497
I thought about upgrading myself - it’s long - but I checked the prices. £7000 extra for a one way business ticket
Utterly insane. I’m a fairly affluent man but fuck that
Finally. You understand me
And I have an empty seat next to me in a half empty flight so this is basically Biz anyway. And I’ve saved £7000
👍👍
😶
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“Russian-installed "governor" in Kherson region asks Moscow to evacuate residents to Russia out of security risks.
"We know that Russia does not abandon its own," Vladimir Saldo said. Another sign that the standing of Russian forces in the region is in jeopardy.”
https://twitter.com/maryilyushina/status/1580526973281243136?s=46&t=TQTbFzAD6Zkynzo0nMqjPg
Russia still losing on the ground even as they pummel Ukraine from the air0 -
And the worst of the shit has not yet arrived at the fan...MarqueeMark said:Conservative Party, please note: you have already seen the best of Liz Truss. Frightening as that concept might be.....
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Kwarteng and Truss, I believe. Presumably he uses the abbreviation to stop him having to Google how to spell Kwarteng every time.Anabobazina said:
Who or what is KT? I have been racking my brains to no avail (as it keeps popping up on here)RochdalePioneers said:
There is another factor. KT are seen as malevolent and amoral. Team Starmer wouldn't have all the answers on a plate. But would be less "fuck you" than the current lot.Driver said:
An election isn't the answer because, whilst it will lead to a change of government, the new government also doesn't have a clue what to do. If Sir Keir had an economic plan (beyond putting up taxes, although it looks like the incumbents are going to be forced to render that policy moot) then the markets would react by assuming he will win (which he will) and implement the policies he has announced. But if he doesn't announce them until the start of the election campaign, the market has less time to analyse them.MarqueeMark said:
Can you imagine the markets - with four weeks of nobody in control?RochdalePioneers said:https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/1580489441013293056
Someone who was a v senor cabinet minister this year has put their association on notice for Election this year. They have a v safe seat but already preparing full bells and whistles campaigning this weekend you would expect in the run up to polling day. "It's coming," they say.
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The path to a collapse of the government which requires an election is fascinating. Two possible routes I can think of:
1) Operation Samson. Faced with calls for her head and her imminent demise, Truss proposes a motion that there be a general election. All opposition parties support, and despite "oh hell no" responses from various Tories it sneaks through.
2) The collapse of the government. No clear putsch against Truss emerges but despite an ever larger number of policy reversals her authority collapses completely, but with no clear agreement on a successor. With the markets in free-fall and the Tories in denial a no-confidence motion is put and sneaks through when the treasury bench tries to do a bravura defence and it falls flat.
No, the Conservative Party cannot inflict that on the country. Put somebody in Downing Street - 10 and 11 - that can move us away from Truss and Kwarteng. And make the right noises to Mr. Market.2 -
Kamikwazi [edit sp] + Truss. But also K is the standard geological abbreviation for Cretaceous - and the Cretaceous-Tertiary boundary [slightly obsolete terminology] is when the giant meteor hit and the Deccan Traps blew and the ruling reptiles were wiped out. So it's a double pun on mass extinction level eventry.Anabobazina said:
Who or what is KT? I have been racking my brains to no avail (as it keeps popping up on here)RochdalePioneers said:
There is another factor. KT are seen as malevolent and amoral. Team Starmer wouldn't have all the answers on a plate. But would be less "fuck you" than the current lot.Driver said:
An election isn't the answer because, whilst it will lead to a change of government, the new government also doesn't have a clue what to do. If Sir Keir had an economic plan (beyond putting up taxes, although it looks like the incumbents are going to be forced to render that policy moot) then the markets would react by assuming he will win (which he will) and implement the policies he has announced. But if he doesn't announce them until the start of the election campaign, the market has less time to analyse them.MarqueeMark said:
Can you imagine the markets - with four weeks of nobody in control?RochdalePioneers said:https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/1580489441013293056
Someone who was a v senor cabinet minister this year has put their association on notice for Election this year. They have a v safe seat but already preparing full bells and whistles campaigning this weekend you would expect in the run up to polling day. "It's coming," they say.
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The path to a collapse of the government which requires an election is fascinating. Two possible routes I can think of:
1) Operation Samson. Faced with calls for her head and her imminent demise, Truss proposes a motion that there be a general election. All opposition parties support, and despite "oh hell no" responses from various Tories it sneaks through.
2) The collapse of the government. No clear putsch against Truss emerges but despite an ever larger number of policy reversals her authority collapses completely, but with no clear agreement on a successor. With the markets in free-fall and the Tories in denial a no-confidence motion is put and sneaks through when the treasury bench tries to do a bravura defence and it falls flat.
No, the Conservative Party cannot inflict that on the country. Put somebody in Downing Street - 10 and 11 - that can move us away from Truss and Kwarteng. And make the right noises to Mr. Market.
Edit: I think RP thought of it - but I may be wrong. Credit is where it sure is due, anyway.2 -
Rampant inflation is the ultimate economic horror and I support erring on the side of doing too much to combat it rather than too little. It's about taking no chances with something potentially catastrophic.wooliedyed said:
Except for the Joe Biden multi trillion dollar massively inflationary anti inflation billkinabalu said:
In America the decision is to accept a recession in order to put inflation back in its box. And I agree with this. Recessions come and go, hyper-inflation destroys society.wooliedyed said:American markets pricing in a 13% chance (and increasing) apparently of a 1% base rate rise in the US.
Would be catastrophic for us and the EU and completely gut the US housing market
And core inflation continues to rise, bond markets are in a state of rout.
Powell is going to impoverish us all.2 -
KT = Karteng / TrussAnabobazina said:
Who or what is KT? I have been racking my brains to no avail (as it keeps popping up on here)RochdalePioneers said:
There is another factor. KT are seen as malevolent and amoral. Team Starmer wouldn't have all the answers on a plate. But would be less "fuck you" than the current lot.Driver said:
An election isn't the answer because, whilst it will lead to a change of government, the new government also doesn't have a clue what to do. If Sir Keir had an economic plan (beyond putting up taxes, although it looks like the incumbents are going to be forced to render that policy moot) then the markets would react by assuming he will win (which he will) and implement the policies he has announced. But if he doesn't announce them until the start of the election campaign, the market has less time to analyse them.MarqueeMark said:
Can you imagine the markets - with four weeks of nobody in control?RochdalePioneers said:https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/1580489441013293056
Someone who was a v senor cabinet minister this year has put their association on notice for Election this year. They have a v safe seat but already preparing full bells and whistles campaigning this weekend you would expect in the run up to polling day. "It's coming," they say.
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The path to a collapse of the government which requires an election is fascinating. Two possible routes I can think of:
1) Operation Samson. Faced with calls for her head and her imminent demise, Truss proposes a motion that there be a general election. All opposition parties support, and despite "oh hell no" responses from various Tories it sneaks through.
2) The collapse of the government. No clear putsch against Truss emerges but despite an ever larger number of policy reversals her authority collapses completely, but with no clear agreement on a successor. With the markets in free-fall and the Tories in denial a no-confidence motion is put and sneaks through when the treasury bench tries to do a bravura defence and it falls flat.
No, the Conservative Party cannot inflict that on the country. Put somebody in Downing Street - 10 and 11 - that can move us away from Truss and Kwarteng. And make the right noises to Mr. Market.
It is also the name given to the geological layer which marks the eradication of the dinosaurs - the KT boundry. Rather appropriate...?
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At least Truss managed to avoid winning the “Greatest Miscalculation of 2022” award in favour of Mr V. Putin.5
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Hello Malcolm. Nice to see you back again.malcolmg said:
Was it not 7 lucky goalsCarnyx said:
Be difficult to have seen the present club before 2012, or actually rather later, mind.TheScreamingEagles said:Rangers 1 Liverpool 7.
I haven’t seen Rangers fold like that since 2012.4 -
Not really, since what we're seeing is the assertion of power of the economic dinosaurs who for some reason still believe in the failed policies of the last couple of decades over those who wish to try something different...Beibheirli_C said:
KT = Karteng / TrussAnabobazina said:
Who or what is KT? I have been racking my brains to no avail (as it keeps popping up on here)RochdalePioneers said:
There is another factor. KT are seen as malevolent and amoral. Team Starmer wouldn't have all the answers on a plate. But would be less "fuck you" than the current lot.Driver said:
An election isn't the answer because, whilst it will lead to a change of government, the new government also doesn't have a clue what to do. If Sir Keir had an economic plan (beyond putting up taxes, although it looks like the incumbents are going to be forced to render that policy moot) then the markets would react by assuming he will win (which he will) and implement the policies he has announced. But if he doesn't announce them until the start of the election campaign, the market has less time to analyse them.MarqueeMark said:
Can you imagine the markets - with four weeks of nobody in control?RochdalePioneers said:https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/1580489441013293056
Someone who was a v senor cabinet minister this year has put their association on notice for Election this year. They have a v safe seat but already preparing full bells and whistles campaigning this weekend you would expect in the run up to polling day. "It's coming," they say.
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The path to a collapse of the government which requires an election is fascinating. Two possible routes I can think of:
1) Operation Samson. Faced with calls for her head and her imminent demise, Truss proposes a motion that there be a general election. All opposition parties support, and despite "oh hell no" responses from various Tories it sneaks through.
2) The collapse of the government. No clear putsch against Truss emerges but despite an ever larger number of policy reversals her authority collapses completely, but with no clear agreement on a successor. With the markets in free-fall and the Tories in denial a no-confidence motion is put and sneaks through when the treasury bench tries to do a bravura defence and it falls flat.
No, the Conservative Party cannot inflict that on the country. Put somebody in Downing Street - 10 and 11 - that can move us away from Truss and Kwarteng. And make the right noises to Mr. Market.
It is also the name given to the geological layer which marks the eradication of the dinosaurs - the KT boundry. Rather appropriate...?2
