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Just 30% of GE2019 CON voters say Truss would be “best PM” – politicalbetting.com

SystemSystem Posts: 8,489
edited October 20 in General
imageJust 30% of GE2019 CON voters say Truss would be “best PM” – politicalbetting.com

There is a new YouGov poll in which the Tory deficit behind Labour is now at 28% which is a touch better than last week.

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  • StarryStarry Posts: 97
    First? Like Nicola?
  • paulyork64paulyork64 Posts: 2,449
    2nd. Like Truss is compared to SKS
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 28,225
    Ouch

    ‘Liz Truss has two problems: she’s not liked and secondly she is regarded as incompetent’
    -John Curtice

    #bbcr4WATO
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 28,225
    U-Turn talk reminds me of this from a former minister I quoted on @BBCNewsnight last night: “It is checkmate for the PM. Either she embarks on a screeching U turn on her tax cuts, which means she is finished politically, or she does nothing and then we are finished politically”
    https://twitter.com/nicholaswatt/status/1580537607909691392
  • TOPPING said:

    Driver said:

    TOPPING said:

    Driver said:

    DJ41 said:

    Some are saying let's risk London being nuked and Britain being destroyed, their aim being to save Donetsk from the Donetskians.

    Oh and something something, wicked bad Mr Putin.

    One has to ask why would those who in other contexts appear reasonably sane say such a thing. I am not being rhetorical. I really mean that people should ask this question: why do they say it? Is it because they've reasoned it all out and decided that what they're saying is the rational conclusion to draw given the circumstances?

    Were they so vocal when there was actual real genocide in Rwanda, and practically no risk of London being nuked or Britain being destroyed had Britain intervened?

    The trigger for me deciding WW3 is imminent will be any NATO country flying warplanes over any of the six territories.

    Depending on how things play out, I may bring things forward by changing the criterion to flying warplanes over any part of pre-September 2022 Ukraine.

    Ooh, we've got another one.
    Maybe maybe not but engage with the question.

    Bart wants his wife and daughter to die if the Russians use a battlefield nuclear weapon in Ukraine; do you think similarly*?

    *not Bart's wife and daughter, obvs! You and your family.
    I don't *want* anyone to die. And nor AIUI does Bart, no matter how frequently you misrepresent his position.

    Well, possibly apart from Putin himself.
    Bart *wants* us to retaliate with nuclear weapons if Russia uses tactical nukes in Ukraine. He didn't *want* us to retaliate with the Industrial Scale Machete Mk.IV in Rwanda, nor, in 2014 in the Crimea, nor, er, against the US in 2003 when they invaded Iraq and caused between 150,000 and 1m casualties there.

    He possesses free will and didn't *want* to do anything about so many previous conflicts but now he *wants* to sacrifice himself, his wife, his daughter, you and me for this one.

    What have I misrepresented and what is your position?
    I want to deter and prevent nuclear Armageddon, by preventing nuclear war, which never happened in Rwanda, or 2003, or 2014. Or Vietnam, Afghanistan (80s) or Afghanistan (01-21).

    If it escalates to nuclear war, then we have our own nuclear weaponry and commitments if it comes to it, but I want to prevent that from happening.

    You don't seem to be interested in deterring a nuclear war, which I find interesting.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 28,225
    A former cabinet minister tells me: “Brace for the mother of all U-Turns on the mini budget today. A friendly person in the know is advising us to steer clear of the media today to avoid the explosion. We wouldn’t want to look silly by tomorrow.” #waitandsee

    https://twitter.com/nicholaswatt/status/1580517767299547136

    @nicholaswatt I think the “we wouldn’t want to look silly by tomorrow” ship has somewhat sailed…

    @marklubienski @nicholaswatt This is the ‘we wouldn’t want to look silly by tomorrow ship’. https://twitter.com/benhunt/status/1580525476661334017/photo/1

  • RobDRobD Posts: 57,985
    Is she toast?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 81,465
    Started better than Keir! But different trajectories of course.
    RobD said:

    Is she toast?

    Yes. U-turning on something so central makes her seem weak, but she does not have the support to push through what she wants, so she would look even weaker.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 28,225
    BREAKING:

    IT"S HOT: CORE CPI RISES BY *0.6%* MONTH OVER MONTH, WELL ABOVE EXPECTATIONS

    HEADLINE CPI UP 8.2% YOY

    FUTURES INSTANTLY TANK

    Economists had been looking for a 0.4% MOM core number and a 0.2% increase on headline.

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-10-12/global-stocks-under-pressure-ahead-of-us-cpi-markets-wrap?srnd=premium&sref=vuYGislZ https://twitter.com/TheStalwart/status/1580536609065168896/photo/1
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 72,757
    RobD said:

    Is she toast?

    Btl here seems to be an absolute orgy of Truss exit in 2022 bets. I'm still maintaining being om the other side of that one in particular is correct.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 31,968
    Scott_xP said:

    BREAKING:

    IT"S HOT: CORE CPI RISES BY *0.6%* MONTH OVER MONTH, WELL ABOVE EXPECTATIONS

    HEADLINE CPI UP 8.2% YOY

    FUTURES INSTANTLY TANK

    Economists had been looking for a 0.4% MOM core number and a 0.2% increase on headline.

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-10-12/global-stocks-under-pressure-ahead-of-us-cpi-markets-wrap?srnd=premium&sref=vuYGislZ https://twitter.com/TheStalwart/status/1580536609065168896/photo/1

    That probably won't help the Democrats in the mid-terms, but I don't see it as that big a deal.
  • felixfelix Posts: 14,402
    FPT!

    Taz said:

    [ » show previous quotes
    Yes, I read that from rcs1000 and I agree with it in general. Their prospects do seem to be poorer but then when I entered the world of work in the early eighties the same could have been said about my generation at the time. It did not work out that way.

    I am also critical of is their view that every other generation had it easy and they are the only ones who have had a hard time. ]

    100% agree. It's great fun on here reading the vitriol of milleniums about the easy life had by those before them. My first flat at 15k was a huge struggle to buy and afford with loan limits and interest rates sky high. Of course the furniture was shabby , second hand and not chic while the bare boards were down to no dosh for a carpet not a trendy cool vibe at all- actually quite cold in the winter. I could go on but the self-absorbed whingers aren't interested. How many years since anyone got a penny of interest on their savings so that people could have cheap mortgage rates?
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 28,225
    US CPI inflation has come in at the top end: 8.2%. And underlying inflation rose. I assume bond and stock prices will fall sharply on expectations more significant rises in US interest rates. This will see sterling fall against dollar and further fall in UK government bond… https://twitter.com/peston/status/1580213710609522693
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 4,121
    I don’t think either of them can carry on after such a fundamental U turn. It acknowledges their incompetence and the damage caused. I suspect Kwasi will be the one thrown under the bus. But I doubt it’s going to save Truss either.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 6,648
    Afternoon all, the US inflation figures are dreadful. We are heading into a maelstrom. Japan, the UK have already been bent over, the EU is next with US the cherry on top once Powell stops pissing on everyone.
    Truss is clearly gone by Christmas and a new leader will go into a 'try and hold 200' strategy
    Shitty stick days
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 28,225
    Head of IMF making very clear she wants a change in direction from UK govt

    🔥 https://twitter.com/samcoatessky/status/1580539484952612864
  • DJ41DJ41 Posts: 515
    edited October 13
    If the membership want a vote, perhaps they might like to suggest a caretaker? Point being that if Truss says she's resigning and will leave No10 within say a week or 10 days, Graham Brady and the 1922 executive can say they won't be imposing a "last two don't step down" rule this time. Let her stay until the MPs have chosen. That only takes a few days, max. Then give Mordaunt or whoever comes second to Sunak this time (assuming someone runs against him) a promotion if she wants one.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 55,103
    Scott_xP said:

    Ouch

    ‘Liz Truss has two problems: she’s not liked and secondly she is regarded as incompetent’
    -John Curtice

    #bbcr4WATO

    Three problems: she is arrogant and self-deluded and so doesn't care about the first two.



  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 37,446
    FPT: shame to waste it..............
    Nigel_Foremain said:

    » show previous quotes
    I am delighted you are back. It reminds people just how small brained, juvenile, pathetic and thuggish the average follower of the man who was referred to as a "sex pest and objectionable bully" by his own QC actually are.

    I bet you are going a bit gammon now eh Malc? Will you get complaints from the neighbours next door in your semi-detached bungalow as you start snarling and swearing and bursting out of your vest like an ugly overweight pale white incredible hulk? Will your long-suffering wife have to tell you to calm down and take another blood pressure pill, or is she not talking to you after you lost your pension money on the horses?
    ***********************
    LOL, confirms why I left for a while. Having to suffer morons like you is tough. Just trying to repeat my description of you is very tame and I chuckle at your poor perception skills. Too thick to read posts and understand the reality of posters due to your bigoted arrogance of mistakenly believing you are something special rather than something distasteful picked up on someone's shoe.
    Just for guidance , there are no semi's where I reside and my wife encourages me to polish the porsche. Also I am well able to lose £5 on teh horse's now and again without bankrupting myself which even a lowlife idiot like yourself should be able to comprehend.
    Now head off back to your Jeremy Kyle show sunshine.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 55,103

    Afternoon all, the US inflation figures are dreadful. We are heading into a maelstrom. Japan, the UK have already been bent over, the EU is next with US the cherry on top once Powell stops pissing on everyone.
    Truss is clearly gone by Christmas and a new leader will go into a 'try and hold 200' strategy
    Shitty stick days

    Bad inflation US figures means Dems will struggle more in mid-terms. A good win for GOP will embolden Trump even more as he will claim the victory was his and so on.

    Shit indeed.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 37,446
    Looks like it is going to be bumper rise for poor pensioners, what chance double figures.
  • paulyork64paulyork64 Posts: 2,449
    Scott_xP said:

    US CPI inflation has come in at the top end: 8.2%. And underlying inflation rose. I assume bond and stock prices will fall sharply on expectations more significant rises in US interest rates. This will see sterling fall against dollar and further fall in UK government bond… https://twitter.com/peston/status/1580213710609522693

    If I heard right Bloomberg radio yesterday were saying the expectation was for a 0.75 rate rise in the US next time.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 36,695

    TOPPING said:

    Driver said:

    TOPPING said:

    Driver said:

    DJ41 said:

    Some are saying let's risk London being nuked and Britain being destroyed, their aim being to save Donetsk from the Donetskians.

    Oh and something something, wicked bad Mr Putin.

    One has to ask why would those who in other contexts appear reasonably sane say such a thing. I am not being rhetorical. I really mean that people should ask this question: why do they say it? Is it because they've reasoned it all out and decided that what they're saying is the rational conclusion to draw given the circumstances?

    Were they so vocal when there was actual real genocide in Rwanda, and practically no risk of London being nuked or Britain being destroyed had Britain intervened?

    The trigger for me deciding WW3 is imminent will be any NATO country flying warplanes over any of the six territories.

    Depending on how things play out, I may bring things forward by changing the criterion to flying warplanes over any part of pre-September 2022 Ukraine.

    Ooh, we've got another one.
    Maybe maybe not but engage with the question.

    Bart wants his wife and daughter to die if the Russians use a battlefield nuclear weapon in Ukraine; do you think similarly*?

    *not Bart's wife and daughter, obvs! You and your family.
    I don't *want* anyone to die. And nor AIUI does Bart, no matter how frequently you misrepresent his position.

    Well, possibly apart from Putin himself.
    Bart *wants* us to retaliate with nuclear weapons if Russia uses tactical nukes in Ukraine. He didn't *want* us to retaliate with the Industrial Scale Machete Mk.IV in Rwanda, nor, in 2014 in the Crimea, nor, er, against the US in 2003 when they invaded Iraq and caused between 150,000 and 1m casualties there.

    He possesses free will and didn't *want* to do anything about so many previous conflicts but now he *wants* to sacrifice himself, his wife, his daughter, you and me for this one.

    What have I misrepresented and what is your position?
    I want to deter and prevent nuclear Armageddon, by preventing nuclear war, which never happened in Rwanda, or 2003, or 2014. Or Vietnam, Afghanistan (80s) or Afghanistan (01-21).

    If it escalates to nuclear war, then we have our own nuclear weaponry and commitments if it comes to it, but I want to prevent that from happening.

    You don't seem to be interested in deterring a nuclear war, which I find interesting.
    Oh god I didn't want to come over here but here you are.

    Of course I want to deter a nuclear war. But the people in charge of the suitcases for some extraordinary reason think it's more complicated than you do.

    And super apologies but that's it I must go - always a pleasure. For you. Yes, and me sometimes.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 6,648

    Scott_xP said:

    US CPI inflation has come in at the top end: 8.2%. And underlying inflation rose. I assume bond and stock prices will fall sharply on expectations more significant rises in US interest rates. This will see sterling fall against dollar and further fall in UK government bond… https://twitter.com/peston/status/1580213710609522693

    If I heard right Bloomberg radio yesterday were saying the expectation was for a 0.75 rate rise in the US next time.
    Crush the rest of the world a bit more, further extend the bond market rout. America is a cancer.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 28,225
    The problem for the government is that the markets are now pricing on a u-turn, so if they don't u-turn they will be in a worse position than they were 24 hours ago
    https://twitter.com/JGForsyth/status/1580541620822233090
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 28,092
    edited October 13
    Scott_xP said:
    Bizarre tweet on several levels:

    "Great despatch from Skegness and the UKIP conference by @ScoutNewsletter
    .
    '[Neil] Hamilton says it’s “bizarre” that, given how badly the Tories are polling, UKIP isn’t more popular. He says even the Lib Dems are doing better than they are.'!"
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 4,121

    Afternoon all, the US inflation figures are dreadful. We are heading into a maelstrom. Japan, the UK have already been bent over, the EU is next with US the cherry on top once Powell stops pissing on everyone.
    Truss is clearly gone by Christmas and a new leader will go into a 'try and hold 200' strategy
    Shitty stick days

    Truss’ replacement needs to dust off the 2019 manifesto and think “right, what can I realistically achieve in this by 2024 that hasn’t been done yet?”

    Make the big angle - delivering on manifesto promises. It gives them something to run on in 2024 - I delivered on the 2019 pledges and steadied things. It won’t win them a GE. But it might get some waverers back.

    This is exactly the strategy Truss should have employed.



  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 45,328
    Scott_xP said:

    Head of IMF making very clear she wants a change in direction from UK govt

    🔥 https://twitter.com/samcoatessky/status/1580539484952612864

    No matter how compelling the case there is always a counter-argument isn't there?
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 21,507
    edited October 13
    https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/1580489441013293056

    Someone who was a v senor cabinet minister this year has put their association on notice for Election this year. They have a v safe seat but already preparing full bells and whistles campaigning this weekend you would expect in the run up to polling day. "It's coming," they say.

    ==============

    The path to a collapse of the government which requires an election is fascinating. Two possible routes I can think of:

    1) Operation Samson. Faced with calls for her head and her imminent demise, Truss proposes a motion that there be a general election. All opposition parties support, and despite "oh hell no" responses from various Tories it sneaks through.
    2) The collapse of the government. No clear putsch against Truss emerges but despite an ever larger number of policy reversals her authority collapses completely, but with no clear agreement on a successor. With the markets in free-fall and the Tories in denial a no-confidence motion is put and sneaks through when the treasury bench tries to do a bravura defence and it falls flat.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 54,855

    RobD said:

    Is she toast?

    No. I like toast.
    She"s a sort of supermarket own brand version of Marmite.

    In that some people are stuck with her because they can't get anything better, and everyone else hates her.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 6,648
    Scott_xP said:
    UKIP partying as if 'twere 2015 again
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 48,176
    Scott_xP said:

    Head of IMF making very clear she wants a change in direction from UK govt

    🔥 https://twitter.com/samcoatessky/status/1580539484952612864

    That makes me want to defend Truss.

    Butt out, IMF.
  • londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 2,021
    malcolmg said:

    Looks like it is going to be bumper rise for poor pensioners, what chance double figures.

    I think the CPI will come in just below 10% next week, I say 9.5%. DYOR
  • DriverDriver Posts: 2,224
    DavidL said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Head of IMF making very clear she wants a change in direction from UK govt

    🔥 https://twitter.com/samcoatessky/status/1580539484952612864

    No matter how compelling the case there is always a counter-argument isn't there?
    Head of the IMF wants the UK to fall back in line with consensus policies, even though they've led us to where we are now, is not really a news story, is it?
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 45,328
    So, in hindsight those parties weren't that bad were they? And at least he knew he was lying, and could keep a straight face about it. And although he had a series of muppets in his Cabinet things could have been worse, apparently.

    Damn.
  • DriverDriver Posts: 2,224

    https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/1580489441013293056

    Someone who was a v senor cabinet minister this year has put their association on notice for Election this year. They have a v safe seat but already preparing full bells and whistles campaigning this weekend you would expect in the run up to polling day. "It's coming," they say.

    ==============

    The path to a collapse of the government which requires an election is fascinating. Two possible routes I can think of:

    1) Operation Samson. Faced with calls for her head and her imminent demise, Truss proposes a motion that there be a general election. All opposition parties support, and despite "oh hell no" responses from various Tories it sneaks through.
    2) The collapse of the government. No clear putsch against Truss emerges but despite an ever larger number of policy reversals her authority collapses completely, but with no clear agreement on a successor. With the markets in free-fall and the Tories in denial a no-confidence motion is put and sneaks through when the treasury bench tries to do a bravura defence and it falls flat.

    (1), she doesn't even need a motion, We aren't in FTPA land any more.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 28,864
    Sitrep 1. Vodka shots. LHR T2
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 37,446

    malcolmg said:

    Looks like it is going to be bumper rise for poor pensioners, what chance double figures.

    I think the CPI will come in just below 10% next week, I say 9.5%. DYOR
    Yes, agree will be around that mark but small chance of over 10%
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 54,855
    DavidL said:

    So, in hindsight those parties weren't that bad were they? And at least he knew he was lying, and could keep a straight face about it. And although he had a series of muppets in his Cabinet things could have been worse, apparently.

    Damn.

    No, they were that bad. That the replacement foisted on us has turned out to be worse still doesn't make things better.

    It just shows the Tories are unfit for government.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 4,121

    https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/1580489441013293056

    Someone who was a v senor cabinet minister this year has put their association on notice for Election this year. They have a v safe seat but already preparing full bells and whistles campaigning this weekend you would expect in the run up to polling day. "It's coming," they say.

    ==============

    The path to a collapse of the government which requires an election is fascinating. Two possible routes I can think of:

    1) Operation Samson. Faced with calls for her head and her imminent demise, Truss proposes a motion that there be a general election. All opposition parties support, and despite "oh hell no" responses from various Tories it sneaks through.
    2) The collapse of the government. No clear putsch against Truss emerges but despite an ever larger number of policy reversals her authority collapses completely, but with no clear agreement on a successor. With the markets in free-fall and the Tories in denial a no-confidence motion is put and sneaks through when the treasury bench tries to do a bravura defence and it falls flat.

    Truss doesn’t need a motion for a GE, there is no more FTPA so she can just request a dissolution from the monarch. It is difficult to establish whether such a request would be granted. My gut is it probably would.



  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 45,328
    Driver said:

    DavidL said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Head of IMF making very clear she wants a change in direction from UK govt

    🔥 https://twitter.com/samcoatessky/status/1580539484952612864

    No matter how compelling the case there is always a counter-argument isn't there?
    Head of the IMF wants the UK to fall back in line with consensus policies, even though they've led us to where we are now, is not really a news story, is it?
    No its not. Truss's and Kwarteng's diagnosis was that we couldn't go on like this and I broadly agreed. Unfortunately we cannot go on they way they wanted to go either. Our options were already limited and now they are more so.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 54,855
    edited October 13

    https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/1580489441013293056

    Someone who was a v senor cabinet minister this year has put their association on notice for Election this year. They have a v safe seat but already preparing full bells and whistles campaigning this weekend you would expect in the run up to polling day. "It's coming," they say.

    ==============

    The path to a collapse of the government which requires an election is fascinating. Two possible routes I can think of:

    1) Operation Samson. Faced with calls for her head and her imminent demise, Truss proposes a motion that there be a general election. All opposition parties support, and despite "oh hell no" responses from various Tories it sneaks through.
    2) The collapse of the government. No clear putsch against Truss emerges but despite an ever larger number of policy reversals her authority collapses completely, but with no clear agreement on a successor. With the markets in free-fall and the Tories in denial a no-confidence motion is put and sneaks through when the treasury bench tries to do a bravura defence and it falls flat.

    Truss doesn’t need a motion for a GE, there is no more FTPA so she can just request a dissolution from the monarch. It is difficult to establish whether such a request would be granted. My gut is it probably would.
    That's as well for her given the amount of motion she's produced in the last few weeks.
  • paulyork64paulyork64 Posts: 2,449
    DJ41 said:

    If the membership want a vote, perhaps they might like to suggest a caretaker? Point being that if Truss says she's resigning and will leave No10 within say a week or 10 days, Graham Brady and the 1922 executive can say they won't be imposing a "last two don't step down" rule this time. Let her stay until the MPs have chosen. That only takes a few days, max. Then give Mordaunt or whoever comes second to Sunak this time (assuming someone runs against him) a promotion if she wants one.

    Welcome to PB. The members might want the final say but I'd hope even most of those have got buyer's remorse and might accept the MPs choice. Whether they can agree on someone is another matter.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 45,328
    Leon said:

    Sitrep 1. Vodka shots. LHR T2

    You're going to get a Council tax bill for that place.
  • darkagedarkage Posts: 3,204

    I don’t think either of them can carry on after such a fundamental U turn. It acknowledges their incompetence and the damage caused. I suspect Kwasi will be the one thrown under the bus. But I doubt it’s going to save Truss either.

    If we are going in to zombie government mode then I'd guess that Kwarteng will go. Truss limps on.

    But I don't see how she moves away from her 'Thatcherite' policies, she is so deeply attached to them. She won't be convincing even doing a Theresa May act. She is just wholly unsuited to the role she is in.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 47,042
    Leon said:

    Sitrep 1. Vodka shots. LHR T2

    When are you off to Iceland?

    I suspect you will love it.
  • DriverDriver Posts: 2,224
    DavidL said:

    Driver said:

    DavidL said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Head of IMF making very clear she wants a change in direction from UK govt

    🔥 https://twitter.com/samcoatessky/status/1580539484952612864

    No matter how compelling the case there is always a counter-argument isn't there?
    Head of the IMF wants the UK to fall back in line with consensus policies, even though they've led us to where we are now, is not really a news story, is it?
    No its not. Truss's and Kwarteng's diagnosis was that we couldn't go on like this and I broadly agreed. Unfortunately we cannot go on they way they wanted to go either. Our options were already limited and now they are more so.
    Limited to zero, as far as I can tell. Certainly Sir Keir thinks we can go on like this.
  • Driver said:

    https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/1580489441013293056

    Someone who was a v senor cabinet minister this year has put their association on notice for Election this year. They have a v safe seat but already preparing full bells and whistles campaigning this weekend you would expect in the run up to polling day. "It's coming," they say.

    ==============

    The path to a collapse of the government which requires an election is fascinating. Two possible routes I can think of:

    1) Operation Samson. Faced with calls for her head and her imminent demise, Truss proposes a motion that there be a general election. All opposition parties support, and despite "oh hell no" responses from various Tories it sneaks through.
    2) The collapse of the government. No clear putsch against Truss emerges but despite an ever larger number of policy reversals her authority collapses completely, but with no clear agreement on a successor. With the markets in free-fall and the Tories in denial a no-confidence motion is put and sneaks through when the treasury bench tries to do a bravura defence and it falls flat.

    (1), she doesn't even need a motion, We aren't in FTPA land any more.
    Quite right! Forgot about that. She just goes to Chuck and says "giz an election"
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 17,365
    Taz said:
    No, me neither. First rule of journalism: if they are not named in the headline, they are not famous. (Journalism has a lot of first rules.)
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 45,328
    ydoethur said:

    DavidL said:

    So, in hindsight those parties weren't that bad were they? And at least he knew he was lying, and could keep a straight face about it. And although he had a series of muppets in his Cabinet things could have been worse, apparently.

    Damn.

    No, they were that bad. That the replacement foisted on us has turned out to be worse still doesn't make things better.

    It just shows the Tories are unfit for government.
    Well, I suppose that is another way of looking at it. 😉
  • RobDRobD Posts: 57,985
    Have we had any members' polls about regret yet?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 72,757
    DavidL said:

    Driver said:

    DavidL said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Head of IMF making very clear she wants a change in direction from UK govt

    🔥 https://twitter.com/samcoatessky/status/1580539484952612864

    No matter how compelling the case there is always a counter-argument isn't there?
    Head of the IMF wants the UK to fall back in line with consensus policies, even though they've led us to where we are now, is not really a news story, is it?
    No its not. Truss's and Kwarteng's diagnosis was that we couldn't go on like this and I broadly agreed. Unfortunately we cannot go on they way they wanted to go either. Our options were already limited and now they are more so.
    I'm not sure the proposed NI tax rise was about the NHS & social care. I mean it was badged as that - perhaps because a tax rise to keep the gilt market orderly & inflation lower than it otherwise would have been is a hard sell politically ?
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 32,224
    edited October 13
    malcolmg said:

    FPT: shame to waste it..............
    Nigel_Foremain said:

    » show previous quotes
    I am delighted you are back. It reminds people just how small brained, juvenile, pathetic and thuggish the average follower of the man who was referred to as a "sex pest and objectionable bully" by his own QC actually are.

    I bet you are going a bit gammon now eh Malc? Will you get complaints from the neighbours next door in your semi-detached bungalow as you start snarling and swearing and bursting out of your vest like an ugly overweight pale white incredible hulk? Will your long-suffering wife have to tell you to calm down and take another blood pressure pill, or is she not talking to you after you lost your pension money on the horses?
    ***********************
    LOL, confirms why I left for a while. Having to suffer morons like you is tough. Just trying to repeat my description of you is very tame and I chuckle at your poor perception skills. Too thick to read posts and understand the reality of posters due to your bigoted arrogance of mistakenly believing you are something special rather than something distasteful picked up on someone's shoe.
    Just for guidance , there are no semi's where I reside and my wife encourages me to polish the porsche. Also I am well able to lose £5 on teh horse's now and again without bankrupting myself which even a lowlife idiot like yourself should be able to comprehend.
    Now head off back to your Jeremy Kyle show sunshine.

    Terrific stuff! It truly is like an exchange of learned letters between 2 sparring philosophers in Ancient Greece.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 45,328
    Pulpstar said:

    DavidL said:

    Driver said:

    DavidL said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Head of IMF making very clear she wants a change in direction from UK govt

    🔥 https://twitter.com/samcoatessky/status/1580539484952612864

    No matter how compelling the case there is always a counter-argument isn't there?
    Head of the IMF wants the UK to fall back in line with consensus policies, even though they've led us to where we are now, is not really a news story, is it?
    No its not. Truss's and Kwarteng's diagnosis was that we couldn't go on like this and I broadly agreed. Unfortunately we cannot go on they way they wanted to go either. Our options were already limited and now they are more so.
    I'm not sure the proposed NI tax rise was about the NHS & social care. I mean it was badged as that - perhaps because a tax rise to keep the gilt market orderly & inflation lower than it otherwise would have been is a hard sell politically ?
    Such cynicism in one so young. It's tragic.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 31,968
    DavidL said:

    So, in hindsight those parties weren't that bad were they? And at least he knew he was lying, and could keep a straight face about it. And although he had a series of muppets in his Cabinet things could have been worse, apparently.

    Damn.

    The Conservative Party spent years working their way back to a big majority, and then had no idea what to do once they'd attained it.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 57,150
    malcolmg said:

    Looks like it is going to be bumper rise for poor pensioners, what chance double figures.

    In the US at least:

    Social Security recipients will receive an annual cost-of-living adjustment of 8.7% next year, the largest increase since 1981

    https://twitter.com/cnnbrk/status/1580544959844823041
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 9,956
    edited October 13
    DavidL said:

    Driver said:

    DavidL said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Head of IMF making very clear she wants a change in direction from UK govt

    🔥 https://twitter.com/samcoatessky/status/1580539484952612864

    No matter how compelling the case there is always a counter-argument isn't there?
    Head of the IMF wants the UK to fall back in line with consensus policies, even though they've led us to where we are now, is not really a news story, is it?
    No its not. Truss's and Kwarteng's diagnosis was that we couldn't go on like this and I broadly agreed. Unfortunately we cannot go on they way they wanted to go either. Our options were already limited and now they are more so.
    Truss's diagnosis was correct, but the public aren't ready to hear it yet and to be fair the "you lot have been in charge 12 years" argument is strong.

    The UK will need to do what Truss is advocating sooner or later, but we'll be dragged kicking and screaming there it seems. Indeed Truss may end up seeming in hindsight moderate compared to what comes after her.

    A bit like how Heath had tried and failed to take on the NUM and other unions, so eventually Thatcher had to and went much further than Heath had wanted and failed to do.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 47,042

    https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/1580489441013293056

    Someone who was a v senor cabinet minister this year has put their association on notice for Election this year. They have a v safe seat but already preparing full bells and whistles campaigning this weekend you would expect in the run up to polling day. "It's coming," they say.

    ==============

    The path to a collapse of the government which requires an election is fascinating. Two possible routes I can think of:

    1) Operation Samson. Faced with calls for her head and her imminent demise, Truss proposes a motion that there be a general election. All opposition parties support, and despite "oh hell no" responses from various Tories it sneaks through.
    2) The collapse of the government. No clear putsch against Truss emerges but despite an ever larger number of policy reversals her authority collapses completely, but with no clear agreement on a successor. With the markets in free-fall and the Tories in denial a no-confidence motion is put and sneaks through when the treasury bench tries to do a bravura defence and it falls flat.

    Can you imagine the markets - with four weeks of nobody in control?

    No, the Conservative Party cannot inflict that on the country. Put somebody in Downing Street - 10 and 11 - that can move us away from Truss and Kwarteng. And make the right noises to Mr. Market.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 6,648
    edited October 13
    American markets pricing in a 13% chance (and increasing) apparently of a 1% base rate rise in the US.
    Would be catastrophic for us and the EU and completely gut the US housing market
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 47,042
    Sean_F said:

    DavidL said:

    So, in hindsight those parties weren't that bad were they? And at least he knew he was lying, and could keep a straight face about it. And although he had a series of muppets in his Cabinet things could have been worse, apparently.

    Damn.

    The Conservative Party spent years working their way back to a big majority, and then had no idea what to do once they'd attained it.
    Fight!!!!!
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 17,365

    Afternoon all, the US inflation figures are dreadful. We are heading into a maelstrom. Japan, the UK have already been bent over, the EU is next with US the cherry on top once Powell stops pissing on everyone.
    Truss is clearly gone by Christmas and a new leader will go into a 'try and hold 200' strategy
    Shitty stick days

    Truss’ replacement needs to dust off the 2019 manifesto and think “right, what can I realistically achieve in this by 2024 that hasn’t been done yet?”

    Make the big angle - delivering on manifesto promises. It gives them something to run on in 2024 - I delivered on the 2019 pledges and steadied things. It won’t win them a GE. But it might get some waverers back.

    This is exactly the strategy Truss should have employed.
    As someone (not me) said, Truss is the first Prime Minister to have taken over mid-term who has not at least paid lip-service to following their predecessor's manifesto.
  • DavidL said:

    So, in hindsight those parties weren't that bad were they? And at least he knew he was lying, and could keep a straight face about it. And although he had a series of muppets in his Cabinet things could have been worse, apparently.

    Damn.

    It was the lying about the pervert groper that did it.

    Safeguarding issues are important.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 4,121
    darkage said:

    I don’t think either of them can carry on after such a fundamental U turn. It acknowledges their incompetence and the damage caused. I suspect Kwasi will be the one thrown under the bus. But I doubt it’s going to save Truss either.

    If we are going in to zombie government mode then I'd guess that Kwarteng will go. Truss limps on.

    But I don't see how she moves away from her 'Thatcherite' policies, she is so deeply attached to them. She won't be convincing even doing a Theresa May act. She is just wholly unsuited to the role she is in.
    Exactly, which is why I suspect she isn’t going to make it for much longer after Kwarteng. There will be some spinning that it was all Kwasi’s fault but she can’t convincingly spin that given (a) she’s rubbish at interviews (b) her MPs won’t want to try and defend that line and (c) it’s obvious that it wasn’t just Kwasi’s fault and this was a grand wheeze dreamt up by the pair of them.

    She will try to hold that line for a couple of days and then it will collapse. Probably along with her premiership.

  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 28,225
    Kwasi Kwarteng says he won't be preempting October 31st statement.... https://twitter.com/siobhankennedy4/status/1580546387619434497
  • Rangers 1 Liverpool 7.

    I haven’t seen Rangers fold like that since 2012.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 57,150
    DavidL said:

    So, in hindsight those parties weren't that bad were they? And at least he knew he was lying, and could keep a straight face about it. And although he had a series of muppets in his Cabinet things could have been worse, apparently.

    Damn.

    No. He was unfit for officer from Day 1.

    Truss has turned out to be unfit for office from about Day 7, if you discount the mourning period…
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 28,092
    kinabalu said:

    malcolmg said:

    FPT: shame to waste it..............
    Nigel_Foremain said:

    » show previous quotes
    I am delighted you are back. It reminds people just how small brained, juvenile, pathetic and thuggish the average follower of the man who was referred to as a "sex pest and objectionable bully" by his own QC actually are.

    I bet you are going a bit gammon now eh Malc? Will you get complaints from the neighbours next door in your semi-detached bungalow as you start snarling and swearing and bursting out of your vest like an ugly overweight pale white incredible hulk? Will your long-suffering wife have to tell you to calm down and take another blood pressure pill, or is she not talking to you after you lost your pension money on the horses?
    ***********************
    LOL, confirms why I left for a while. Having to suffer morons like you is tough. Just trying to repeat my description of you is very tame and I chuckle at your poor perception skills. Too thick to read posts and understand the reality of posters due to your bigoted arrogance of mistakenly believing you are something special rather than something distasteful picked up on someone's shoe.
    Just for guidance , there are no semi's where I reside and my wife encourages me to polish the porsche. Also I am well able to lose £5 on teh horse's now and again without bankrupting myself which even a lowlife idiot like yourself should be able to comprehend.
    Now head off back to your Jeremy Kyle show sunshine.

    Terrific stuff! It truly is like an exchange of learned letters between 2 sparring philosophers in Ancient Greece.
    Flyting perhaps a better comparison - and appropriate for Malky, though I am not sure NF would approve.

    Still a thing in C20 Scots Lit. https://www.royalscottishacademy.org/events/16-poets-on-the-attack-a-dramatic-re-enactment-of-hugh-macdiarmid-and-hamish/

    "Flyting is a ritual, poetic exchange of insults practiced mainly between the 5th and 16th centuries. Examples of flyting are found throughout Scots, Ancient, Medieval[7][8] and Modern Celtic, Old English, Middle English and Norse literature involving both historical and mythological figures. The exchanges would become extremely provocative, often involving accusations of cowardice or sexual perversion."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flyting
  • ChrisChris Posts: 8,882

    https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/1580489441013293056

    Someone who was a v senor cabinet minister this year has put their association on notice for Election this year. They have a v safe seat but already preparing full bells and whistles campaigning this weekend you would expect in the run up to polling day. "It's coming," they say.

    ==============

    The path to a collapse of the government which requires an election is fascinating. Two possible routes I can think of:

    1) Operation Samson. Faced with calls for her head and her imminent demise, Truss proposes a motion that there be a general election. All opposition parties support, and despite "oh hell no" responses from various Tories it sneaks through.
    2) The collapse of the government. No clear putsch against Truss emerges but despite an ever larger number of policy reversals her authority collapses completely, but with no clear agreement on a successor. With the markets in free-fall and the Tories in denial a no-confidence motion is put and sneaks through when the treasury bench tries to do a bravura defence and it falls flat.

    Can you imagine the markets - with four weeks of nobody in control?
    Surely it's not hard. Imagine the markets with Truss and Kwarteng "in office but out of control" and then imagine something not as bad.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 47,042

    Scott_xP said:
    UKIP partying as if 'twere 2015 again
    In Skegness.

    And they wonder why they are haemorrhaging members....
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 54,855
    kyf_100 said:

    Leon said:

    Sitrep 1. Vodka shots. LHR T2

    When are you off to Iceland?

    I suspect you will love it.
    Wow. I always saw him as more of a Waitrose/M&S kinda guy. If the cost of living crisis has reduced Leon to shopping in Iceland, imagine how poor the rest of us must be!
    We're going to be under a Lidl pressure.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 28,092
    edited October 13

    Rangers 1 Liverpool 7.

    I haven’t seen Rangers fold like that since 2012.

    Be difficult to have seen the present club before 2012, or actually rather later, mind.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 28,864
    Just managed to do 3 double vodkas in 9 minutes at Heathrow Terminal 2. Emergency drinking due to slow security and flight leaving and uncertain quantities of alcohol on plane. I shall now proceed to the gate
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 47,042
    Chris said:

    https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/1580489441013293056

    Someone who was a v senor cabinet minister this year has put their association on notice for Election this year. They have a v safe seat but already preparing full bells and whistles campaigning this weekend you would expect in the run up to polling day. "It's coming," they say.

    ==============

    The path to a collapse of the government which requires an election is fascinating. Two possible routes I can think of:

    1) Operation Samson. Faced with calls for her head and her imminent demise, Truss proposes a motion that there be a general election. All opposition parties support, and despite "oh hell no" responses from various Tories it sneaks through.
    2) The collapse of the government. No clear putsch against Truss emerges but despite an ever larger number of policy reversals her authority collapses completely, but with no clear agreement on a successor. With the markets in free-fall and the Tories in denial a no-confidence motion is put and sneaks through when the treasury bench tries to do a bravura defence and it falls flat.

    Can you imagine the markets - with four weeks of nobody in control?
    Surely it's not hard. Imagine the markets with Truss and Kwarteng "in office but out of control" and then imagine something not as bad.
    She's already got the pound heading to parity with the seashell in four weeks.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 72,757

    American markets pricing in a 13% chance (and increasing) apparently of a 1% base rate rise in the US.
    Would be catastrophic for us and the EU and completely gut the US housing market

    Might be good news for Kwarteng and Truss,

    Interest rates rising in the USA provide the cover for screeching u-turns fiscal tightening here.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 47,042
    ydoethur said:

    kyf_100 said:

    Leon said:

    Sitrep 1. Vodka shots. LHR T2

    When are you off to Iceland?

    I suspect you will love it.
    Wow. I always saw him as more of a Waitrose/M&S kinda guy. If the cost of living crisis has reduced Leon to shopping in Iceland, imagine how poor the rest of us must be!
    We're going to be under a Lidl pressure.
    Asda man said....
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 28,092
    Leon said:

    Just managed to do 3 double vodkas in 9 minutes at Heathrow Terminal 2. Emergency drinking due to slow security and flight leaving and uncertain quantities of alcohol on plane. I shall now proceed to the gate

    You must be as well-preserved as a Lesser Ruritanian Olm in a bottle in the spirit jar store at the Natural History Museum.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 54,855

    ydoethur said:

    kyf_100 said:

    Leon said:

    Sitrep 1. Vodka shots. LHR T2

    When are you off to Iceland?

    I suspect you will love it.
    Wow. I always saw him as more of a Waitrose/M&S kinda guy. If the cost of living crisis has reduced Leon to shopping in Iceland, imagine how poor the rest of us must be!
    We're going to be under a Lidl pressure.
    Asda man said....
    Can you keep this up all di?
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 28,225
    NEW: Liz Truss on cusp of putting up corporation tax as part of Downing Street climbdown from her huge package of unfunded tax cuts - sources.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/oct/13/liz-truss-may-raise-corporation-tax-in-further-budget-u-turn?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 28,092

    Chris said:

    https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/1580489441013293056

    Someone who was a v senor cabinet minister this year has put their association on notice for Election this year. They have a v safe seat but already preparing full bells and whistles campaigning this weekend you would expect in the run up to polling day. "It's coming," they say.

    ==============

    The path to a collapse of the government which requires an election is fascinating. Two possible routes I can think of:

    1) Operation Samson. Faced with calls for her head and her imminent demise, Truss proposes a motion that there be a general election. All opposition parties support, and despite "oh hell no" responses from various Tories it sneaks through.
    2) The collapse of the government. No clear putsch against Truss emerges but despite an ever larger number of policy reversals her authority collapses completely, but with no clear agreement on a successor. With the markets in free-fall and the Tories in denial a no-confidence motion is put and sneaks through when the treasury bench tries to do a bravura defence and it falls flat.

    Can you imagine the markets - with four weeks of nobody in control?
    Surely it's not hard. Imagine the markets with Truss and Kwarteng "in office but out of control" and then imagine something not as bad.
    She's already got the pound heading to parity with the seashell in four weeks.
    Cowrie or mussel?
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 48,176
    Pulpstar said:

    DavidL said:

    Driver said:

    DavidL said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Head of IMF making very clear she wants a change in direction from UK govt

    🔥 https://twitter.com/samcoatessky/status/1580539484952612864

    No matter how compelling the case there is always a counter-argument isn't there?
    Head of the IMF wants the UK to fall back in line with consensus policies, even though they've led us to where we are now, is not really a news story, is it?
    No its not. Truss's and Kwarteng's diagnosis was that we couldn't go on like this and I broadly agreed. Unfortunately we cannot go on they way they wanted to go either. Our options were already limited and now they are more so.
    I'm not sure the proposed NI tax rise was about the NHS & social care. I mean it was badged as that - perhaps because a tax rise to keep the gilt market orderly & inflation lower than it otherwise would have been is a hard sell politically ?
    It was to initiate a new stream of revenue for the Government.

    One they could tap up for more in the future.
  • pingping Posts: 3,201
    edited October 13
    Incredible volatility in the gilt market;

    UK10yr started the day at 4.45%, traded as low as 4.05% and is heading back up - now 4.27%.

    Gilts trading like meme stonks.

    https://www.tradingview.com/symbols/TVC-GB10Y/
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 17,365
    Scott_xP said:

    U-Turn talk reminds me of this from a former minister I quoted on @BBCNewsnight last night: “It is checkmate for the PM. Either she embarks on a screeching U turn on her tax cuts, which means she is finished politically, or she does nothing and then we are finished politically”
    https://twitter.com/nicholaswatt/status/1580537607909691392

    Or Truss finds a think tank, preferably the OBR, to announce that falling gas prices and a warm (so far) autumn mean the energy price cap freeze is affordable and therefore so is the rest of the not-budget.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 47,042
    Scott_xP said:

    Kwasi Kwarteng says he won't be preempting October 31st statement.... https://twitter.com/siobhankennedy4/status/1580546387619434497

    Jut imagine how many drafts of it he will have got through by then.... Lol!
  • LeonLeon Posts: 28,864
    Sean_F said:

    DavidL said:

    So, in hindsight those parties weren't that bad were they? And at least he knew he was lying, and could keep a straight face about it. And although he had a series of muppets in his Cabinet things could have been worse, apparently.

    Damn.

    The Conservative Party spent years working their way back to a big majority, and then had no idea what to do once they'd attained it.
    That’s a little unfair. Boris had an agenda. Keynesian Heseltiney one nation Toryism was the agenda. Spend big to level up. Make Brexit work for the northerners

    It got derailed by a global plague and then a terrible war. But there was a plan of sorts, even if I disagree
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 48,176
    Sean_F said:

    DavidL said:

    So, in hindsight those parties weren't that bad were they? And at least he knew he was lying, and could keep a straight face about it. And although he had a series of muppets in his Cabinet things could have been worse, apparently.

    Damn.

    The Conservative Party spent years working their way back to a big majority, and then had no idea what to do once they'd attained it.
    Fundamentally, there's a crisis of confidence at the heart of modern Conservatives where they are faintly embarrassed to be one.

    We saw this post GE2015 when the Cameron/Osborne administration seemed to have an extremely light programme.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 47,042
    Carnyx said:

    Chris said:

    https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/1580489441013293056

    Someone who was a v senor cabinet minister this year has put their association on notice for Election this year. They have a v safe seat but already preparing full bells and whistles campaigning this weekend you would expect in the run up to polling day. "It's coming," they say.

    ==============

    The path to a collapse of the government which requires an election is fascinating. Two possible routes I can think of:

    1) Operation Samson. Faced with calls for her head and her imminent demise, Truss proposes a motion that there be a general election. All opposition parties support, and despite "oh hell no" responses from various Tories it sneaks through.
    2) The collapse of the government. No clear putsch against Truss emerges but despite an ever larger number of policy reversals her authority collapses completely, but with no clear agreement on a successor. With the markets in free-fall and the Tories in denial a no-confidence motion is put and sneaks through when the treasury bench tries to do a bravura defence and it falls flat.

    Can you imagine the markets - with four weeks of nobody in control?
    Surely it's not hard. Imagine the markets with Truss and Kwarteng "in office but out of control" and then imagine something not as bad.
    She's already got the pound heading to parity with the seashell in four weeks.
    Cowrie or mussel?
    Whelk.

    From the stall she can't even run.
  • DriverDriver Posts: 2,224

    https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/1580489441013293056

    Someone who was a v senor cabinet minister this year has put their association on notice for Election this year. They have a v safe seat but already preparing full bells and whistles campaigning this weekend you would expect in the run up to polling day. "It's coming," they say.

    ==============

    The path to a collapse of the government which requires an election is fascinating. Two possible routes I can think of:

    1) Operation Samson. Faced with calls for her head and her imminent demise, Truss proposes a motion that there be a general election. All opposition parties support, and despite "oh hell no" responses from various Tories it sneaks through.
    2) The collapse of the government. No clear putsch against Truss emerges but despite an ever larger number of policy reversals her authority collapses completely, but with no clear agreement on a successor. With the markets in free-fall and the Tories in denial a no-confidence motion is put and sneaks through when the treasury bench tries to do a bravura defence and it falls flat.

    Can you imagine the markets - with four weeks of nobody in control?

    No, the Conservative Party cannot inflict that on the country. Put somebody in Downing Street - 10 and 11 - that can move us away from Truss and Kwarteng. And make the right noises to Mr. Market.
    An election isn't the answer because, whilst it will lead to a change of government, the new government also doesn't have a clue what to do. If Sir Keir had an economic plan (beyond putting up taxes, although it looks like the incumbents are going to be forced to render that policy moot) then the markets would react by assuming he will win (which he will) and implement the policies he has announced. But if he doesn't announce them until the start of the election campaign, the market has less time to analyse them.
  • https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/1580489441013293056

    Someone who was a v senor cabinet minister this year has put their association on notice for Election this year. They have a v safe seat but already preparing full bells and whistles campaigning this weekend you would expect in the run up to polling day. "It's coming," they say.

    ==============

    The path to a collapse of the government which requires an election is fascinating. Two possible routes I can think of:

    1) Operation Samson. Faced with calls for her head and her imminent demise, Truss proposes a motion that there be a general election. All opposition parties support, and despite "oh hell no" responses from various Tories it sneaks through.
    2) The collapse of the government. No clear putsch against Truss emerges but despite an ever larger number of policy reversals her authority collapses completely, but with no clear agreement on a successor. With the markets in free-fall and the Tories in denial a no-confidence motion is put and sneaks through when the treasury bench tries to do a bravura defence and it falls flat.

    Some MPs love putting their troops on high alert. Particularly if you have a bit of a lazy local association, and are a bit concerned about Lib Dems or Labour (whoever it is in that seat) being active.

    That must be particularly the case at the moment, as it'll be hard to get Tories out on the doorsteps in the current climate due to the poor reception they'll get, while the opposition party will be lapping it up locally.

    Does any of it really mean that a 2022 election is that likely, or that the MP has a particular insight into it? Not really. It's not totally impossible, but it's still pretty damned unlikely.
  • DriverDriver Posts: 2,224
    Carnyx said:

    Rangers 1 Liverpool 7.

    I haven’t seen Rangers fold like that since 2012.

    Be difficult to have seen the present club before 2012, or actually rather later, mind.
    Same club, different legal entity.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 32,224
    Carnyx said:

    kinabalu said:

    malcolmg said:

    FPT: shame to waste it..............
    Nigel_Foremain said:

    » show previous quotes
    I am delighted you are back. It reminds people just how small brained, juvenile, pathetic and thuggish the average follower of the man who was referred to as a "sex pest and objectionable bully" by his own QC actually are.

    I bet you are going a bit gammon now eh Malc? Will you get complaints from the neighbours next door in your semi-detached bungalow as you start snarling and swearing and bursting out of your vest like an ugly overweight pale white incredible hulk? Will your long-suffering wife have to tell you to calm down and take another blood pressure pill, or is she not talking to you after you lost your pension money on the horses?
    ***********************
    LOL, confirms why I left for a while. Having to suffer morons like you is tough. Just trying to repeat my description of you is very tame and I chuckle at your poor perception skills. Too thick to read posts and understand the reality of posters due to your bigoted arrogance of mistakenly believing you are something special rather than something distasteful picked up on someone's shoe.
    Just for guidance , there are no semi's where I reside and my wife encourages me to polish the porsche. Also I am well able to lose £5 on teh horse's now and again without bankrupting myself which even a lowlife idiot like yourself should be able to comprehend.
    Now head off back to your Jeremy Kyle show sunshine.

    Terrific stuff! It truly is like an exchange of learned letters between 2 sparring philosophers in Ancient Greece.
    Flyting perhaps a better comparison - and appropriate for Malky, though I am not sure NF would approve.

    Still a thing in C20 Scots Lit. https://www.royalscottishacademy.org/events/16-poets-on-the-attack-a-dramatic-re-enactment-of-hugh-macdiarmid-and-hamish/

    "Flyting is a ritual, poetic exchange of insults practiced mainly between the 5th and 16th centuries. Examples of flyting are found throughout Scots, Ancient, Medieval[7][8] and Modern Celtic, Old English, Middle English and Norse literature involving both historical and mythological figures. The exchanges would become extremely provocative, often involving accusations of cowardice or sexual perversion."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flyting
    Ha ok! So it's a flytefest.
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    Scott_xP said:
    UKIP partying as if 'twere 2015 again
    In Skegness.

    And they wonder why they are haemorrhaging members....
    Do they have enough members left to haemorrhage? I'd have thought it was more of a nosebleed.
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    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    kyf_100 said:

    Leon said:

    Sitrep 1. Vodka shots. LHR T2

    When are you off to Iceland?

    I suspect you will love it.
    Wow. I always saw him as more of a Waitrose/M&S kinda guy. If the cost of living crisis has reduced Leon to shopping in Iceland, imagine how poor the rest of us must be!
    We're going to be under a Lidl pressure.
    Asda man said....
    Can you keep this up all di?
    I can give him more reasons to do so.
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