Just 30% of GE2019 CON voters say Truss would be “best PM” – politicalbetting.com
Just 30% of GE2019 CON voters say Truss would be “best PM” – politicalbetting.com
There is a new YouGov poll in which the Tory deficit behind Labour is now at 28% which is a touch better than last week.
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First? Like Nicola?0
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2nd. Like Truss is compared to SKS0
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Ouch
‘Liz Truss has two problems: she’s not liked and secondly she is regarded as incompetent’
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U-Turn talk reminds me of this from a former minister I quoted on @BBCNewsnight last night: “It is checkmate for the PM. Either she embarks on a screeching U turn on her tax cuts, which means she is finished politically, or she does nothing and then we are finished politically”
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I want to deter and prevent nuclear Armageddon, by preventing nuclear war, which never happened in Rwanda, or 2003, or 2014. Or Vietnam, Afghanistan (80s) or Afghanistan (01-21).TOPPING said:
Bart *wants* us to retaliate with nuclear weapons if Russia uses tactical nukes in Ukraine. He didn't *want* us to retaliate with the Industrial Scale Machete Mk.IV in Rwanda, nor, in 2014 in the Crimea, nor, er, against the US in 2003 when they invaded Iraq and caused between 150,000 and 1m casualties there.Driver said:
I don't *want* anyone to die. And nor AIUI does Bart, no matter how frequently you misrepresent his position.TOPPING said:
Maybe maybe not but engage with the question.Driver said:
Ooh, we've got another one.DJ41 said:Some are saying let's risk London being nuked and Britain being destroyed, their aim being to save Donetsk from the Donetskians.
Oh and something something, wicked bad Mr Putin.
One has to ask why would those who in other contexts appear reasonably sane say such a thing. I am not being rhetorical. I really mean that people should ask this question: why do they say it? Is it because they've reasoned it all out and decided that what they're saying is the rational conclusion to draw given the circumstances?
Were they so vocal when there was actual real genocide in Rwanda, and practically no risk of London being nuked or Britain being destroyed had Britain intervened?
The trigger for me deciding WW3 is imminent will be any NATO country flying warplanes over any of the six territories.
Depending on how things play out, I may bring things forward by changing the criterion to flying warplanes over any part of pre-September 2022 Ukraine.
Bart wants his wife and daughter to die if the Russians use a battlefield nuclear weapon in Ukraine; do you think similarly*?
*not Bart's wife and daughter, obvs! You and your family.
Well, possibly apart from Putin himself.
He possesses free will and didn't *want* to do anything about so many previous conflicts but now he *wants* to sacrifice himself, his wife, his daughter, you and me for this one.
What have I misrepresented and what is your position?
If it escalates to nuclear war, then we have our own nuclear weaponry and commitments if it comes to it, but I want to prevent that from happening.
You don't seem to be interested in deterring a nuclear war, which I find interesting.0 -
A former cabinet minister tells me: “Brace for the mother of all U-Turns on the mini budget today. A friendly person in the know is advising us to steer clear of the media today to avoid the explosion. We wouldn’t want to look silly by tomorrow.” #waitandsee
https://twitter.com/nicholaswatt/status/1580517767299547136
@nicholaswatt I think the “we wouldn’t want to look silly by tomorrow” ship has somewhat sailed…
@marklubienski @nicholaswatt This is the ‘we wouldn’t want to look silly by tomorrow ship’. https://twitter.com/benhunt/status/1580525476661334017/photo/1
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Is she toast?0
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BREAKING:
IT"S HOT: CORE CPI RISES BY *0.6%* MONTH OVER MONTH, WELL ABOVE EXPECTATIONS
HEADLINE CPI UP 8.2% YOY
FUTURES INSTANTLY TANK
Economists had been looking for a 0.4% MOM core number and a 0.2% increase on headline.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-10-12/global-stocks-under-pressure-ahead-of-us-cpi-markets-wrap?srnd=premium&sref=vuYGislZ https://twitter.com/TheStalwart/status/1580536609065168896/photo/10 -
No. I like toast.RobD said:Is she toast?
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That probably won't help the Democrats in the mid-terms, but I don't see it as that big a deal.Scott_xP said:BREAKING:
IT"S HOT: CORE CPI RISES BY *0.6%* MONTH OVER MONTH, WELL ABOVE EXPECTATIONS
HEADLINE CPI UP 8.2% YOY
FUTURES INSTANTLY TANK
Economists had been looking for a 0.4% MOM core number and a 0.2% increase on headline.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-10-12/global-stocks-under-pressure-ahead-of-us-cpi-markets-wrap?srnd=premium&sref=vuYGislZ https://twitter.com/TheStalwart/status/1580536609065168896/photo/1
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Yes, I read that from rcs1000 and I agree with it in general. Their prospects do seem to be poorer but then when I entered the world of work in the early eighties the same could have been said about my generation at the time. It did not work out that way.
I am also critical of is their view that every other generation had it easy and they are the only ones who have had a hard time. ]
100% agree. It's great fun on here reading the vitriol of milleniums about the easy life had by those before them. My first flat at 15k was a huge struggle to buy and afford with loan limits and interest rates sky high. Of course the furniture was shabby , second hand and not chic while the bare boards were down to no dosh for a carpet not a trendy cool vibe at all- actually quite cold in the winter. I could go on but the self-absorbed whingers aren't interested. How many years since anyone got a penny of interest on their savings so that people could have cheap mortgage rates?-1 -
US CPI inflation has come in at the top end: 8.2%. And underlying inflation rose. I assume bond and stock prices will fall sharply on expectations more significant rises in US interest rates. This will see sterling fall against dollar and further fall in UK government bond… https://twitter.com/peston/status/15802137106095226930
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I don’t think either of them can carry on after such a fundamental U turn. It acknowledges their incompetence and the damage caused. I suspect Kwasi will be the one thrown under the bus. But I doubt it’s going to save Truss either.0
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Afternoon all, the US inflation figures are dreadful. We are heading into a maelstrom. Japan, the UK have already been bent over, the EU is next with US the cherry on top once Powell stops pissing on everyone.
Truss is clearly gone by Christmas and a new leader will go into a 'try and hold 200' strategy
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Head of IMF making very clear she wants a change in direction from UK govt
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If the membership want a vote, perhaps they might like to suggest a caretaker? Point being that if Truss says she's resigning and will leave No10 within say a week or 10 days, Graham Brady and the 1922 executive can say they won't be imposing a "last two don't step down" rule this time. Let her stay until the MPs have chosen. That only takes a few days, max. Then give Mordaunt or whoever comes second to Sunak this time (assuming someone runs against him) a promotion if she wants one.0
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Three problems: she is arrogant and self-deluded and so doesn't care about the first two.Scott_xP said:Ouch
‘Liz Truss has two problems: she’s not liked and secondly she is regarded as incompetent’
-John Curtice
#bbcr4WATO
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FPT: shame to waste it..............
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I am delighted you are back. It reminds people just how small brained, juvenile, pathetic and thuggish the average follower of the man who was referred to as a "sex pest and objectionable bully" by his own QC actually are.
I bet you are going a bit gammon now eh Malc? Will you get complaints from the neighbours next door in your semi-detached bungalow as you start snarling and swearing and bursting out of your vest like an ugly overweight pale white incredible hulk? Will your long-suffering wife have to tell you to calm down and take another blood pressure pill, or is she not talking to you after you lost your pension money on the horses?
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LOL, confirms why I left for a while. Having to suffer morons like you is tough. Just trying to repeat my description of you is very tame and I chuckle at your poor perception skills. Too thick to read posts and understand the reality of posters due to your bigoted arrogance of mistakenly believing you are something special rather than something distasteful picked up on someone's shoe.
Just for guidance , there are no semi's where I reside and my wife encourages me to polish the porsche. Also I am well able to lose £5 on teh horse's now and again without bankrupting myself which even a lowlife idiot like yourself should be able to comprehend.
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Bad inflation US figures means Dems will struggle more in mid-terms. A good win for GOP will embolden Trump even more as he will claim the victory was his and so on.wooliedyed said:Afternoon all, the US inflation figures are dreadful. We are heading into a maelstrom. Japan, the UK have already been bent over, the EU is next with US the cherry on top once Powell stops pissing on everyone.
Truss is clearly gone by Christmas and a new leader will go into a 'try and hold 200' strategy
Shitty stick days
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Looks like it is going to be bumper rise for poor pensioners, what chance double figures.2
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If I heard right Bloomberg radio yesterday were saying the expectation was for a 0.75 rate rise in the US next time.Scott_xP said:US CPI inflation has come in at the top end: 8.2%. And underlying inflation rose. I assume bond and stock prices will fall sharply on expectations more significant rises in US interest rates. This will see sterling fall against dollar and further fall in UK government bond… https://twitter.com/peston/status/1580213710609522693
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A reminder of the incredible abuse of process that continues in Wisconsin: https://eu.jsonline.com/story/news/education/2022/10/13/wisconsin-technical-college-board-members-serve-beyond-expired-terms/8136606001/0
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Oh god I didn't want to come over here but here you are.BartholomewRoberts said:
I want to deter and prevent nuclear Armageddon, by preventing nuclear war, which never happened in Rwanda, or 2003, or 2014. Or Vietnam, Afghanistan (80s) or Afghanistan (01-21).TOPPING said:
Bart *wants* us to retaliate with nuclear weapons if Russia uses tactical nukes in Ukraine. He didn't *want* us to retaliate with the Industrial Scale Machete Mk.IV in Rwanda, nor, in 2014 in the Crimea, nor, er, against the US in 2003 when they invaded Iraq and caused between 150,000 and 1m casualties there.Driver said:
I don't *want* anyone to die. And nor AIUI does Bart, no matter how frequently you misrepresent his position.TOPPING said:
Maybe maybe not but engage with the question.Driver said:
Ooh, we've got another one.DJ41 said:Some are saying let's risk London being nuked and Britain being destroyed, their aim being to save Donetsk from the Donetskians.
Oh and something something, wicked bad Mr Putin.
One has to ask why would those who in other contexts appear reasonably sane say such a thing. I am not being rhetorical. I really mean that people should ask this question: why do they say it? Is it because they've reasoned it all out and decided that what they're saying is the rational conclusion to draw given the circumstances?
Were they so vocal when there was actual real genocide in Rwanda, and practically no risk of London being nuked or Britain being destroyed had Britain intervened?
The trigger for me deciding WW3 is imminent will be any NATO country flying warplanes over any of the six territories.
Depending on how things play out, I may bring things forward by changing the criterion to flying warplanes over any part of pre-September 2022 Ukraine.
Bart wants his wife and daughter to die if the Russians use a battlefield nuclear weapon in Ukraine; do you think similarly*?
*not Bart's wife and daughter, obvs! You and your family.
Well, possibly apart from Putin himself.
He possesses free will and didn't *want* to do anything about so many previous conflicts but now he *wants* to sacrifice himself, his wife, his daughter, you and me for this one.
What have I misrepresented and what is your position?
If it escalates to nuclear war, then we have our own nuclear weaponry and commitments if it comes to it, but I want to prevent that from happening.
You don't seem to be interested in deterring a nuclear war, which I find interesting.
Of course I want to deter a nuclear war. But the people in charge of the suitcases for some extraordinary reason think it's more complicated than you do.
And super apologies but that's it I must go - always a pleasure. For you. Yes, and me sometimes.0 -
The UK 10 year gilt yield has fallen from 4.6% to 4.2% today. In a messed up world it is good to see a few things are dependable, and Peston being wrong is one of them.Scott_xP said:US CPI inflation has come in at the top end: 8.2%. And underlying inflation rose. I assume bond and stock prices will fall sharply on expectations more significant rises in US interest rates. This will see sterling fall against dollar and further fall in UK government bond… https://twitter.com/peston/status/1580213710609522693
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Crush the rest of the world a bit more, further extend the bond market rout. America is a cancer.paulyork64 said:
If I heard right Bloomberg radio yesterday were saying the expectation was for a 0.75 rate rise in the US next time.Scott_xP said:US CPI inflation has come in at the top end: 8.2%. And underlying inflation rose. I assume bond and stock prices will fall sharply on expectations more significant rises in US interest rates. This will see sterling fall against dollar and further fall in UK government bond… https://twitter.com/peston/status/1580213710609522693
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The problem for the government is that the markets are now pricing on a u-turn, so if they don't u-turn they will be in a worse position than they were 24 hours ago
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Great slide from one UKIP Conference presentation https://twitter.com/Direthoughts/status/1580535798717636614 https://twitter.com/christiancalgie/status/1580538024680529920/photo/10
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Bizarre tweet on several levels:Scott_xP said:Great slide from one UKIP Conference presentation https://twitter.com/Direthoughts/status/1580535798717636614 https://twitter.com/christiancalgie/status/1580538024680529920/photo/1
"Great despatch from Skegness and the UKIP conference by @ScoutNewsletter
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'[Neil] Hamilton says it’s “bizarre” that, given how badly the Tories are polling, UKIP isn’t more popular. He says even the Lib Dems are doing better than they are.'!"0 -
Truss’ replacement needs to dust off the 2019 manifesto and think “right, what can I realistically achieve in this by 2024 that hasn’t been done yet?”wooliedyed said:Afternoon all, the US inflation figures are dreadful. We are heading into a maelstrom. Japan, the UK have already been bent over, the EU is next with US the cherry on top once Powell stops pissing on everyone.
Truss is clearly gone by Christmas and a new leader will go into a 'try and hold 200' strategy
Shitty stick days
Make the big angle - delivering on manifesto promises. It gives them something to run on in 2024 - I delivered on the 2019 pledges and steadied things. It won’t win them a GE. But it might get some waverers back.
This is exactly the strategy Truss should have employed.
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No matter how compelling the case there is always a counter-argument isn't there?Scott_xP said:Head of IMF making very clear she wants a change in direction from UK govt
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https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/1580489441013293056
Someone who was a v senor cabinet minister this year has put their association on notice for Election this year. They have a v safe seat but already preparing full bells and whistles campaigning this weekend you would expect in the run up to polling day. "It's coming," they say.
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The path to a collapse of the government which requires an election is fascinating. Two possible routes I can think of:
1) Operation Samson. Faced with calls for her head and her imminent demise, Truss proposes a motion that there be a general election. All opposition parties support, and despite "oh hell no" responses from various Tories it sneaks through.
2) The collapse of the government. No clear putsch against Truss emerges but despite an ever larger number of policy reversals her authority collapses completely, but with no clear agreement on a successor. With the markets in free-fall and the Tories in denial a no-confidence motion is put and sneaks through when the treasury bench tries to do a bravura defence and it falls flat.0 -
She"s a sort of supermarket own brand version of Marmite.paulyork64 said:
No. I like toast.RobD said:Is she toast?
In that some people are stuck with her because they can't get anything better, and everyone else hates her.2 -
UKIP partying as if 'twere 2015 againScott_xP said:Great slide from one UKIP Conference presentation https://twitter.com/Direthoughts/status/1580535798717636614 https://twitter.com/christiancalgie/status/1580538024680529920/photo/1
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That makes me want to defend Truss.Scott_xP said:Head of IMF making very clear she wants a change in direction from UK govt
🔥 https://twitter.com/samcoatessky/status/1580539484952612864
Butt out, IMF.0 -
I think the CPI will come in just below 10% next week, I say 9.5%. DYORmalcolmg said:Looks like it is going to be bumper rise for poor pensioners, what chance double figures.
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Head of the IMF wants the UK to fall back in line with consensus policies, even though they've led us to where we are now, is not really a news story, is it?DavidL said:
No matter how compelling the case there is always a counter-argument isn't there?Scott_xP said:Head of IMF making very clear she wants a change in direction from UK govt
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So, in hindsight those parties weren't that bad were they? And at least he knew he was lying, and could keep a straight face about it. And although he had a series of muppets in his Cabinet things could have been worse, apparently.
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(1), she doesn't even need a motion, We aren't in FTPA land any more.RochdalePioneers said:https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/1580489441013293056
Someone who was a v senor cabinet minister this year has put their association on notice for Election this year. They have a v safe seat but already preparing full bells and whistles campaigning this weekend you would expect in the run up to polling day. "It's coming," they say.
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The path to a collapse of the government which requires an election is fascinating. Two possible routes I can think of:
1) Operation Samson. Faced with calls for her head and her imminent demise, Truss proposes a motion that there be a general election. All opposition parties support, and despite "oh hell no" responses from various Tories it sneaks through.
2) The collapse of the government. No clear putsch against Truss emerges but despite an ever larger number of policy reversals her authority collapses completely, but with no clear agreement on a successor. With the markets in free-fall and the Tories in denial a no-confidence motion is put and sneaks through when the treasury bench tries to do a bravura defence and it falls flat.1 -
Sitrep 1. Vodka shots. LHR T20
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Yes, agree will be around that mark but small chance of over 10%londonpubman said:
I think the CPI will come in just below 10% next week, I say 9.5%. DYORmalcolmg said:Looks like it is going to be bumper rise for poor pensioners, what chance double figures.
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No, they were that bad. That the replacement foisted on us has turned out to be worse still doesn't make things better.DavidL said:So, in hindsight those parties weren't that bad were they? And at least he knew he was lying, and could keep a straight face about it. And although he had a series of muppets in his Cabinet things could have been worse, apparently.
Damn.
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Truss doesn’t need a motion for a GE, there is no more FTPA so she can just request a dissolution from the monarch. It is difficult to establish whether such a request would be granted. My gut is it probably would.RochdalePioneers said:https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/1580489441013293056
Someone who was a v senor cabinet minister this year has put their association on notice for Election this year. They have a v safe seat but already preparing full bells and whistles campaigning this weekend you would expect in the run up to polling day. "It's coming," they say.
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The path to a collapse of the government which requires an election is fascinating. Two possible routes I can think of:
1) Operation Samson. Faced with calls for her head and her imminent demise, Truss proposes a motion that there be a general election. All opposition parties support, and despite "oh hell no" responses from various Tories it sneaks through.
2) The collapse of the government. No clear putsch against Truss emerges but despite an ever larger number of policy reversals her authority collapses completely, but with no clear agreement on a successor. With the markets in free-fall and the Tories in denial a no-confidence motion is put and sneaks through when the treasury bench tries to do a bravura defence and it falls flat.
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No its not. Truss's and Kwarteng's diagnosis was that we couldn't go on like this and I broadly agreed. Unfortunately we cannot go on they way they wanted to go either. Our options were already limited and now they are more so.Driver said:
Head of the IMF wants the UK to fall back in line with consensus policies, even though they've led us to where we are now, is not really a news story, is it?DavidL said:
No matter how compelling the case there is always a counter-argument isn't there?Scott_xP said:Head of IMF making very clear she wants a change in direction from UK govt
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That's as well for her given the amount of motion she's produced in the last few weeks.numbertwelve said:
Truss doesn’t need a motion for a GE, there is no more FTPA so she can just request a dissolution from the monarch. It is difficult to establish whether such a request would be granted. My gut is it probably would.RochdalePioneers said:https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/1580489441013293056
Someone who was a v senor cabinet minister this year has put their association on notice for Election this year. They have a v safe seat but already preparing full bells and whistles campaigning this weekend you would expect in the run up to polling day. "It's coming," they say.
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The path to a collapse of the government which requires an election is fascinating. Two possible routes I can think of:
1) Operation Samson. Faced with calls for her head and her imminent demise, Truss proposes a motion that there be a general election. All opposition parties support, and despite "oh hell no" responses from various Tories it sneaks through.
2) The collapse of the government. No clear putsch against Truss emerges but despite an ever larger number of policy reversals her authority collapses completely, but with no clear agreement on a successor. With the markets in free-fall and the Tories in denial a no-confidence motion is put and sneaks through when the treasury bench tries to do a bravura defence and it falls flat.0 -
Welcome to PB. The members might want the final say but I'd hope even most of those have got buyer's remorse and might accept the MPs choice. Whether they can agree on someone is another matter.DJ41 said:If the membership want a vote, perhaps they might like to suggest a caretaker? Point being that if Truss says she's resigning and will leave No10 within say a week or 10 days, Graham Brady and the 1922 executive can say they won't be imposing a "last two don't step down" rule this time. Let her stay until the MPs have chosen. That only takes a few days, max. Then give Mordaunt or whoever comes second to Sunak this time (assuming someone runs against him) a promotion if she wants one.
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If we are going in to zombie government mode then I'd guess that Kwarteng will go. Truss limps on.numbertwelve said:I don’t think either of them can carry on after such a fundamental U turn. It acknowledges their incompetence and the damage caused. I suspect Kwasi will be the one thrown under the bus. But I doubt it’s going to save Truss either.
But I don't see how she moves away from her 'Thatcherite' policies, she is so deeply attached to them. She won't be convincing even doing a Theresa May act. She is just wholly unsuited to the role she is in.0 -
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Limited to zero, as far as I can tell. Certainly Sir Keir thinks we can go on like this.DavidL said:
No its not. Truss's and Kwarteng's diagnosis was that we couldn't go on like this and I broadly agreed. Unfortunately we cannot go on they way they wanted to go either. Our options were already limited and now they are more so.Driver said:
Head of the IMF wants the UK to fall back in line with consensus policies, even though they've led us to where we are now, is not really a news story, is it?DavidL said:
No matter how compelling the case there is always a counter-argument isn't there?Scott_xP said:Head of IMF making very clear she wants a change in direction from UK govt
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Quite right! Forgot about that. She just goes to Chuck and says "giz an election"Driver said:
(1), she doesn't even need a motion, We aren't in FTPA land any more.RochdalePioneers said:https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/1580489441013293056
Someone who was a v senor cabinet minister this year has put their association on notice for Election this year. They have a v safe seat but already preparing full bells and whistles campaigning this weekend you would expect in the run up to polling day. "It's coming," they say.
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The path to a collapse of the government which requires an election is fascinating. Two possible routes I can think of:
1) Operation Samson. Faced with calls for her head and her imminent demise, Truss proposes a motion that there be a general election. All opposition parties support, and despite "oh hell no" responses from various Tories it sneaks through.
2) The collapse of the government. No clear putsch against Truss emerges but despite an ever larger number of policy reversals her authority collapses completely, but with no clear agreement on a successor. With the markets in free-fall and the Tories in denial a no-confidence motion is put and sneaks through when the treasury bench tries to do a bravura defence and it falls flat.0 -
No, me neither. First rule of journalism: if they are not named in the headline, they are not famous. (Journalism has a lot of first rules.)Taz said:1 -
Well, I suppose that is another way of looking at it. 😉ydoethur said:
No, they were that bad. That the replacement foisted on us has turned out to be worse still doesn't make things better.DavidL said:So, in hindsight those parties weren't that bad were they? And at least he knew he was lying, and could keep a straight face about it. And although he had a series of muppets in his Cabinet things could have been worse, apparently.
Damn.
It just shows the Tories are unfit for government.0 -
Have we had any members' polls about regret yet?0
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I'm not sure the proposed NI tax rise was about the NHS & social care. I mean it was badged as that - perhaps because a tax rise to keep the gilt market orderly & inflation lower than it otherwise would have been is a hard sell politically ?DavidL said:
No its not. Truss's and Kwarteng's diagnosis was that we couldn't go on like this and I broadly agreed. Unfortunately we cannot go on they way they wanted to go either. Our options were already limited and now they are more so.Driver said:
Head of the IMF wants the UK to fall back in line with consensus policies, even though they've led us to where we are now, is not really a news story, is it?DavidL said:
No matter how compelling the case there is always a counter-argument isn't there?Scott_xP said:Head of IMF making very clear she wants a change in direction from UK govt
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Terrific stuff! It truly is like an exchange of learned letters between 2 sparring philosophers in Ancient Greece.malcolmg said:FPT: shame to waste it..............
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I am delighted you are back. It reminds people just how small brained, juvenile, pathetic and thuggish the average follower of the man who was referred to as a "sex pest and objectionable bully" by his own QC actually are.
I bet you are going a bit gammon now eh Malc? Will you get complaints from the neighbours next door in your semi-detached bungalow as you start snarling and swearing and bursting out of your vest like an ugly overweight pale white incredible hulk? Will your long-suffering wife have to tell you to calm down and take another blood pressure pill, or is she not talking to you after you lost your pension money on the horses?
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LOL, confirms why I left for a while. Having to suffer morons like you is tough. Just trying to repeat my description of you is very tame and I chuckle at your poor perception skills. Too thick to read posts and understand the reality of posters due to your bigoted arrogance of mistakenly believing you are something special rather than something distasteful picked up on someone's shoe.
Just for guidance , there are no semi's where I reside and my wife encourages me to polish the porsche. Also I am well able to lose £5 on teh horse's now and again without bankrupting myself which even a lowlife idiot like yourself should be able to comprehend.
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Such cynicism in one so young. It's tragic.Pulpstar said:
I'm not sure the proposed NI tax rise was about the NHS & social care. I mean it was badged as that - perhaps because a tax rise to keep the gilt market orderly & inflation lower than it otherwise would have been is a hard sell politically ?DavidL said:
No its not. Truss's and Kwarteng's diagnosis was that we couldn't go on like this and I broadly agreed. Unfortunately we cannot go on they way they wanted to go either. Our options were already limited and now they are more so.Driver said:
Head of the IMF wants the UK to fall back in line with consensus policies, even though they've led us to where we are now, is not really a news story, is it?DavidL said:
No matter how compelling the case there is always a counter-argument isn't there?Scott_xP said:Head of IMF making very clear she wants a change in direction from UK govt
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The Conservative Party spent years working their way back to a big majority, and then had no idea what to do once they'd attained it.DavidL said:So, in hindsight those parties weren't that bad were they? And at least he knew he was lying, and could keep a straight face about it. And although he had a series of muppets in his Cabinet things could have been worse, apparently.
Damn.3 -
In the US at least:malcolmg said:Looks like it is going to be bumper rise for poor pensioners, what chance double figures.
Social Security recipients will receive an annual cost-of-living adjustment of 8.7% next year, the largest increase since 1981
https://twitter.com/cnnbrk/status/15805449598448230410 -
Truss's diagnosis was correct, but the public aren't ready to hear it yet and to be fair the "you lot have been in charge 12 years" argument is strong.DavidL said:
No its not. Truss's and Kwarteng's diagnosis was that we couldn't go on like this and I broadly agreed. Unfortunately we cannot go on they way they wanted to go either. Our options were already limited and now they are more so.Driver said:
Head of the IMF wants the UK to fall back in line with consensus policies, even though they've led us to where we are now, is not really a news story, is it?DavidL said:
No matter how compelling the case there is always a counter-argument isn't there?Scott_xP said:Head of IMF making very clear she wants a change in direction from UK govt
🔥 https://twitter.com/samcoatessky/status/1580539484952612864
The UK will need to do what Truss is advocating sooner or later, but we'll be dragged kicking and screaming there it seems. Indeed Truss may end up seeming in hindsight moderate compared to what comes after her.
A bit like how Heath had tried and failed to take on the NUM and other unions, so eventually Thatcher had to and went much further than Heath had wanted and failed to do.1 -
Can you imagine the markets - with four weeks of nobody in control?RochdalePioneers said:https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/1580489441013293056
Someone who was a v senor cabinet minister this year has put their association on notice for Election this year. They have a v safe seat but already preparing full bells and whistles campaigning this weekend you would expect in the run up to polling day. "It's coming," they say.
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The path to a collapse of the government which requires an election is fascinating. Two possible routes I can think of:
1) Operation Samson. Faced with calls for her head and her imminent demise, Truss proposes a motion that there be a general election. All opposition parties support, and despite "oh hell no" responses from various Tories it sneaks through.
2) The collapse of the government. No clear putsch against Truss emerges but despite an ever larger number of policy reversals her authority collapses completely, but with no clear agreement on a successor. With the markets in free-fall and the Tories in denial a no-confidence motion is put and sneaks through when the treasury bench tries to do a bravura defence and it falls flat.
No, the Conservative Party cannot inflict that on the country. Put somebody in Downing Street - 10 and 11 - that can move us away from Truss and Kwarteng. And make the right noises to Mr. Market.0 -
American markets pricing in a 13% chance (and increasing) apparently of a 1% base rate rise in the US.
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Fight!!!!!Sean_F said:
The Conservative Party spent years working their way back to a big majority, and then had no idea what to do once they'd attained it.DavidL said:So, in hindsight those parties weren't that bad were they? And at least he knew he was lying, and could keep a straight face about it. And although he had a series of muppets in his Cabinet things could have been worse, apparently.
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As someone (not me) said, Truss is the first Prime Minister to have taken over mid-term who has not at least paid lip-service to following their predecessor's manifesto.numbertwelve said:
Truss’ replacement needs to dust off the 2019 manifesto and think “right, what can I realistically achieve in this by 2024 that hasn’t been done yet?”wooliedyed said:Afternoon all, the US inflation figures are dreadful. We are heading into a maelstrom. Japan, the UK have already been bent over, the EU is next with US the cherry on top once Powell stops pissing on everyone.
Truss is clearly gone by Christmas and a new leader will go into a 'try and hold 200' strategy
Shitty stick days
Make the big angle - delivering on manifesto promises. It gives them something to run on in 2024 - I delivered on the 2019 pledges and steadied things. It won’t win them a GE. But it might get some waverers back.
This is exactly the strategy Truss should have employed.1 -
It was the lying about the pervert groper that did it.DavidL said:So, in hindsight those parties weren't that bad were they? And at least he knew he was lying, and could keep a straight face about it. And although he had a series of muppets in his Cabinet things could have been worse, apparently.
Damn.
Safeguarding issues are important.1 -
Exactly, which is why I suspect she isn’t going to make it for much longer after Kwarteng. There will be some spinning that it was all Kwasi’s fault but she can’t convincingly spin that given (a) she’s rubbish at interviews (b) her MPs won’t want to try and defend that line and (c) it’s obvious that it wasn’t just Kwasi’s fault and this was a grand wheeze dreamt up by the pair of them.darkage said:
If we are going in to zombie government mode then I'd guess that Kwarteng will go. Truss limps on.numbertwelve said:I don’t think either of them can carry on after such a fundamental U turn. It acknowledges their incompetence and the damage caused. I suspect Kwasi will be the one thrown under the bus. But I doubt it’s going to save Truss either.
But I don't see how she moves away from her 'Thatcherite' policies, she is so deeply attached to them. She won't be convincing even doing a Theresa May act. She is just wholly unsuited to the role she is in.
She will try to hold that line for a couple of days and then it will collapse. Probably along with her premiership.
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Kwasi Kwarteng says he won't be preempting October 31st statement.... https://twitter.com/siobhankennedy4/status/15805463876194344970
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Rangers 1 Liverpool 7.
I haven’t seen Rangers fold like that since 2012.1 -
No. He was unfit for officer from Day 1.DavidL said:So, in hindsight those parties weren't that bad were they? And at least he knew he was lying, and could keep a straight face about it. And although he had a series of muppets in his Cabinet things could have been worse, apparently.
Damn.
Truss has turned out to be unfit for office from about Day 7, if you discount the mourning period…0 -
Flyting perhaps a better comparison - and appropriate for Malky, though I am not sure NF would approve.kinabalu said:
Terrific stuff! It truly is like an exchange of learned letters between 2 sparring philosophers in Ancient Greece.malcolmg said:FPT: shame to waste it..............
Nigel_Foremain said:
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I am delighted you are back. It reminds people just how small brained, juvenile, pathetic and thuggish the average follower of the man who was referred to as a "sex pest and objectionable bully" by his own QC actually are.
I bet you are going a bit gammon now eh Malc? Will you get complaints from the neighbours next door in your semi-detached bungalow as you start snarling and swearing and bursting out of your vest like an ugly overweight pale white incredible hulk? Will your long-suffering wife have to tell you to calm down and take another blood pressure pill, or is she not talking to you after you lost your pension money on the horses?
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LOL, confirms why I left for a while. Having to suffer morons like you is tough. Just trying to repeat my description of you is very tame and I chuckle at your poor perception skills. Too thick to read posts and understand the reality of posters due to your bigoted arrogance of mistakenly believing you are something special rather than something distasteful picked up on someone's shoe.
Just for guidance , there are no semi's where I reside and my wife encourages me to polish the porsche. Also I am well able to lose £5 on teh horse's now and again without bankrupting myself which even a lowlife idiot like yourself should be able to comprehend.
Now head off back to your Jeremy Kyle show sunshine.
Still a thing in C20 Scots Lit. https://www.royalscottishacademy.org/events/16-poets-on-the-attack-a-dramatic-re-enactment-of-hugh-macdiarmid-and-hamish/
"Flyting is a ritual, poetic exchange of insults practiced mainly between the 5th and 16th centuries. Examples of flyting are found throughout Scots, Ancient, Medieval[7][8] and Modern Celtic, Old English, Middle English and Norse literature involving both historical and mythological figures. The exchanges would become extremely provocative, often involving accusations of cowardice or sexual perversion."
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Wow. I always saw him as more of a Waitrose/M&S kinda guy. If the cost of living crisis has reduced Leon to shopping in Iceland, imagine how poor the rest of us must be!MarqueeMark said:5 -
In fairness that is only right and his successor will appreciate it.Scott_xP said:Kwasi Kwarteng says he won't be preempting October 31st statement.... https://twitter.com/siobhankennedy4/status/1580546387619434497
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Surely it's not hard. Imagine the markets with Truss and Kwarteng "in office but out of control" and then imagine something not as bad.MarqueeMark said:
Can you imagine the markets - with four weeks of nobody in control?RochdalePioneers said:https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/1580489441013293056
Someone who was a v senor cabinet minister this year has put their association on notice for Election this year. They have a v safe seat but already preparing full bells and whistles campaigning this weekend you would expect in the run up to polling day. "It's coming," they say.
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The path to a collapse of the government which requires an election is fascinating. Two possible routes I can think of:
1) Operation Samson. Faced with calls for her head and her imminent demise, Truss proposes a motion that there be a general election. All opposition parties support, and despite "oh hell no" responses from various Tories it sneaks through.
2) The collapse of the government. No clear putsch against Truss emerges but despite an ever larger number of policy reversals her authority collapses completely, but with no clear agreement on a successor. With the markets in free-fall and the Tories in denial a no-confidence motion is put and sneaks through when the treasury bench tries to do a bravura defence and it falls flat.0 -
In Skegness.wooliedyed said:
UKIP partying as if 'twere 2015 againScott_xP said:Great slide from one UKIP Conference presentation https://twitter.com/Direthoughts/status/1580535798717636614 https://twitter.com/christiancalgie/status/1580538024680529920/photo/1
And they wonder why they are haemorrhaging members....0 -
We're going to be under a Lidl pressure.kyf_100 said:
Wow. I always saw him as more of a Waitrose/M&S kinda guy. If the cost of living crisis has reduced Leon to shopping in Iceland, imagine how poor the rest of us must be!MarqueeMark said:1 -
Be difficult to have seen the present club before 2012, or actually rather later, mind.TheScreamingEagles said:Rangers 1 Liverpool 7.
I haven’t seen Rangers fold like that since 2012.0 -
Just managed to do 3 double vodkas in 9 minutes at Heathrow Terminal 2. Emergency drinking due to slow security and flight leaving and uncertain quantities of alcohol on plane. I shall now proceed to the gate0
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She's already got the pound heading to parity with the seashell in four weeks.Chris said:
Surely it's not hard. Imagine the markets with Truss and Kwarteng "in office but out of control" and then imagine something not as bad.MarqueeMark said:
Can you imagine the markets - with four weeks of nobody in control?RochdalePioneers said:https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/1580489441013293056
Someone who was a v senor cabinet minister this year has put their association on notice for Election this year. They have a v safe seat but already preparing full bells and whistles campaigning this weekend you would expect in the run up to polling day. "It's coming," they say.
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The path to a collapse of the government which requires an election is fascinating. Two possible routes I can think of:
1) Operation Samson. Faced with calls for her head and her imminent demise, Truss proposes a motion that there be a general election. All opposition parties support, and despite "oh hell no" responses from various Tories it sneaks through.
2) The collapse of the government. No clear putsch against Truss emerges but despite an ever larger number of policy reversals her authority collapses completely, but with no clear agreement on a successor. With the markets in free-fall and the Tories in denial a no-confidence motion is put and sneaks through when the treasury bench tries to do a bravura defence and it falls flat.1 -
Might be good news for Kwarteng and Truss,wooliedyed said:American markets pricing in a 13% chance (and increasing) apparently of a 1% base rate rise in the US.
Would be catastrophic for us and the EU and completely gut the US housing market
Interest rates rising in the USA provide the cover for screeching u-turns fiscal tightening here.0 -
Asda man said....ydoethur said:
We're going to be under a Lidl pressure.kyf_100 said:
Wow. I always saw him as more of a Waitrose/M&S kinda guy. If the cost of living crisis has reduced Leon to shopping in Iceland, imagine how poor the rest of us must be!MarqueeMark said:0 -
You must be as well-preserved as a Lesser Ruritanian Olm in a bottle in the spirit jar store at the Natural History Museum.Leon said:Just managed to do 3 double vodkas in 9 minutes at Heathrow Terminal 2. Emergency drinking due to slow security and flight leaving and uncertain quantities of alcohol on plane. I shall now proceed to the gate
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Can you keep this up all di?MarqueeMark said:
Asda man said....ydoethur said:
We're going to be under a Lidl pressure.kyf_100 said:
Wow. I always saw him as more of a Waitrose/M&S kinda guy. If the cost of living crisis has reduced Leon to shopping in Iceland, imagine how poor the rest of us must be!MarqueeMark said:1 -
NEW: Liz Truss on cusp of putting up corporation tax as part of Downing Street climbdown from her huge package of unfunded tax cuts - sources.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/oct/13/liz-truss-may-raise-corporation-tax-in-further-budget-u-turn?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other0 -
Cowrie or mussel?MarqueeMark said:
She's already got the pound heading to parity with the seashell in four weeks.Chris said:
Surely it's not hard. Imagine the markets with Truss and Kwarteng "in office but out of control" and then imagine something not as bad.MarqueeMark said:
Can you imagine the markets - with four weeks of nobody in control?RochdalePioneers said:https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/1580489441013293056
Someone who was a v senor cabinet minister this year has put their association on notice for Election this year. They have a v safe seat but already preparing full bells and whistles campaigning this weekend you would expect in the run up to polling day. "It's coming," they say.
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The path to a collapse of the government which requires an election is fascinating. Two possible routes I can think of:
1) Operation Samson. Faced with calls for her head and her imminent demise, Truss proposes a motion that there be a general election. All opposition parties support, and despite "oh hell no" responses from various Tories it sneaks through.
2) The collapse of the government. No clear putsch against Truss emerges but despite an ever larger number of policy reversals her authority collapses completely, but with no clear agreement on a successor. With the markets in free-fall and the Tories in denial a no-confidence motion is put and sneaks through when the treasury bench tries to do a bravura defence and it falls flat.0 -
It was to initiate a new stream of revenue for the Government.Pulpstar said:
I'm not sure the proposed NI tax rise was about the NHS & social care. I mean it was badged as that - perhaps because a tax rise to keep the gilt market orderly & inflation lower than it otherwise would have been is a hard sell politically ?DavidL said:
No its not. Truss's and Kwarteng's diagnosis was that we couldn't go on like this and I broadly agreed. Unfortunately we cannot go on they way they wanted to go either. Our options were already limited and now they are more so.Driver said:
Head of the IMF wants the UK to fall back in line with consensus policies, even though they've led us to where we are now, is not really a news story, is it?DavidL said:
No matter how compelling the case there is always a counter-argument isn't there?Scott_xP said:Head of IMF making very clear she wants a change in direction from UK govt
🔥 https://twitter.com/samcoatessky/status/1580539484952612864
One they could tap up for more in the future.0 -
Incredible volatility in the gilt market;
UK10yr started the day at 4.45%, traded as low as 4.05% and is heading back up - now 4.27%.
Gilts trading like meme stonks.
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Or Truss finds a think tank, preferably the OBR, to announce that falling gas prices and a warm (so far) autumn mean the energy price cap freeze is affordable and therefore so is the rest of the not-budget.Scott_xP said:U-Turn talk reminds me of this from a former minister I quoted on @BBCNewsnight last night: “It is checkmate for the PM. Either she embarks on a screeching U turn on her tax cuts, which means she is finished politically, or she does nothing and then we are finished politically”
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Jut imagine how many drafts of it he will have got through by then.... Lol!Scott_xP said:Kwasi Kwarteng says he won't be preempting October 31st statement.... https://twitter.com/siobhankennedy4/status/1580546387619434497
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That’s a little unfair. Boris had an agenda. Keynesian Heseltiney one nation Toryism was the agenda. Spend big to level up. Make Brexit work for the northernersSean_F said:
The Conservative Party spent years working their way back to a big majority, and then had no idea what to do once they'd attained it.DavidL said:So, in hindsight those parties weren't that bad were they? And at least he knew he was lying, and could keep a straight face about it. And although he had a series of muppets in his Cabinet things could have been worse, apparently.
Damn.
It got derailed by a global plague and then a terrible war. But there was a plan of sorts, even if I disagree2 -
Fundamentally, there's a crisis of confidence at the heart of modern Conservatives where they are faintly embarrassed to be one.Sean_F said:
The Conservative Party spent years working their way back to a big majority, and then had no idea what to do once they'd attained it.DavidL said:So, in hindsight those parties weren't that bad were they? And at least he knew he was lying, and could keep a straight face about it. And although he had a series of muppets in his Cabinet things could have been worse, apparently.
Damn.
We saw this post GE2015 when the Cameron/Osborne administration seemed to have an extremely light programme.1 -
Whelk.Carnyx said:
Cowrie or mussel?MarqueeMark said:
She's already got the pound heading to parity with the seashell in four weeks.Chris said:
Surely it's not hard. Imagine the markets with Truss and Kwarteng "in office but out of control" and then imagine something not as bad.MarqueeMark said:
Can you imagine the markets - with four weeks of nobody in control?RochdalePioneers said:https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/1580489441013293056
Someone who was a v senor cabinet minister this year has put their association on notice for Election this year. They have a v safe seat but already preparing full bells and whistles campaigning this weekend you would expect in the run up to polling day. "It's coming," they say.
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The path to a collapse of the government which requires an election is fascinating. Two possible routes I can think of:
1) Operation Samson. Faced with calls for her head and her imminent demise, Truss proposes a motion that there be a general election. All opposition parties support, and despite "oh hell no" responses from various Tories it sneaks through.
2) The collapse of the government. No clear putsch against Truss emerges but despite an ever larger number of policy reversals her authority collapses completely, but with no clear agreement on a successor. With the markets in free-fall and the Tories in denial a no-confidence motion is put and sneaks through when the treasury bench tries to do a bravura defence and it falls flat.
From the stall she can't even run.0 -
An election isn't the answer because, whilst it will lead to a change of government, the new government also doesn't have a clue what to do. If Sir Keir had an economic plan (beyond putting up taxes, although it looks like the incumbents are going to be forced to render that policy moot) then the markets would react by assuming he will win (which he will) and implement the policies he has announced. But if he doesn't announce them until the start of the election campaign, the market has less time to analyse them.MarqueeMark said:
Can you imagine the markets - with four weeks of nobody in control?RochdalePioneers said:https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/1580489441013293056
Someone who was a v senor cabinet minister this year has put their association on notice for Election this year. They have a v safe seat but already preparing full bells and whistles campaigning this weekend you would expect in the run up to polling day. "It's coming," they say.
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The path to a collapse of the government which requires an election is fascinating. Two possible routes I can think of:
1) Operation Samson. Faced with calls for her head and her imminent demise, Truss proposes a motion that there be a general election. All opposition parties support, and despite "oh hell no" responses from various Tories it sneaks through.
2) The collapse of the government. No clear putsch against Truss emerges but despite an ever larger number of policy reversals her authority collapses completely, but with no clear agreement on a successor. With the markets in free-fall and the Tories in denial a no-confidence motion is put and sneaks through when the treasury bench tries to do a bravura defence and it falls flat.
No, the Conservative Party cannot inflict that on the country. Put somebody in Downing Street - 10 and 11 - that can move us away from Truss and Kwarteng. And make the right noises to Mr. Market.0 -
Some MPs love putting their troops on high alert. Particularly if you have a bit of a lazy local association, and are a bit concerned about Lib Dems or Labour (whoever it is in that seat) being active.RochdalePioneers said:https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/1580489441013293056
Someone who was a v senor cabinet minister this year has put their association on notice for Election this year. They have a v safe seat but already preparing full bells and whistles campaigning this weekend you would expect in the run up to polling day. "It's coming," they say.
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The path to a collapse of the government which requires an election is fascinating. Two possible routes I can think of:
1) Operation Samson. Faced with calls for her head and her imminent demise, Truss proposes a motion that there be a general election. All opposition parties support, and despite "oh hell no" responses from various Tories it sneaks through.
2) The collapse of the government. No clear putsch against Truss emerges but despite an ever larger number of policy reversals her authority collapses completely, but with no clear agreement on a successor. With the markets in free-fall and the Tories in denial a no-confidence motion is put and sneaks through when the treasury bench tries to do a bravura defence and it falls flat.
That must be particularly the case at the moment, as it'll be hard to get Tories out on the doorsteps in the current climate due to the poor reception they'll get, while the opposition party will be lapping it up locally.
Does any of it really mean that a 2022 election is that likely, or that the MP has a particular insight into it? Not really. It's not totally impossible, but it's still pretty damned unlikely.1 -
Same club, different legal entity.Carnyx said:
Be difficult to have seen the present club before 2012, or actually rather later, mind.TheScreamingEagles said:Rangers 1 Liverpool 7.
I haven’t seen Rangers fold like that since 2012.1 -
Ha ok! So it's a flytefest.Carnyx said:
Flyting perhaps a better comparison - and appropriate for Malky, though I am not sure NF would approve.kinabalu said:
Terrific stuff! It truly is like an exchange of learned letters between 2 sparring philosophers in Ancient Greece.malcolmg said:FPT: shame to waste it..............
Nigel_Foremain said:
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I am delighted you are back. It reminds people just how small brained, juvenile, pathetic and thuggish the average follower of the man who was referred to as a "sex pest and objectionable bully" by his own QC actually are.
I bet you are going a bit gammon now eh Malc? Will you get complaints from the neighbours next door in your semi-detached bungalow as you start snarling and swearing and bursting out of your vest like an ugly overweight pale white incredible hulk? Will your long-suffering wife have to tell you to calm down and take another blood pressure pill, or is she not talking to you after you lost your pension money on the horses?
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LOL, confirms why I left for a while. Having to suffer morons like you is tough. Just trying to repeat my description of you is very tame and I chuckle at your poor perception skills. Too thick to read posts and understand the reality of posters due to your bigoted arrogance of mistakenly believing you are something special rather than something distasteful picked up on someone's shoe.
Just for guidance , there are no semi's where I reside and my wife encourages me to polish the porsche. Also I am well able to lose £5 on teh horse's now and again without bankrupting myself which even a lowlife idiot like yourself should be able to comprehend.
Now head off back to your Jeremy Kyle show sunshine.
Still a thing in C20 Scots Lit. https://www.royalscottishacademy.org/events/16-poets-on-the-attack-a-dramatic-re-enactment-of-hugh-macdiarmid-and-hamish/
"Flyting is a ritual, poetic exchange of insults practiced mainly between the 5th and 16th centuries. Examples of flyting are found throughout Scots, Ancient, Medieval[7][8] and Modern Celtic, Old English, Middle English and Norse literature involving both historical and mythological figures. The exchanges would become extremely provocative, often involving accusations of cowardice or sexual perversion."
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Do they have enough members left to haemorrhage? I'd have thought it was more of a nosebleed.MarqueeMark said:
In Skegness.wooliedyed said:
UKIP partying as if 'twere 2015 againScott_xP said:Great slide from one UKIP Conference presentation https://twitter.com/Direthoughts/status/1580535798717636614 https://twitter.com/christiancalgie/status/1580538024680529920/photo/1
And they wonder why they are haemorrhaging members....3 -
I can give him more reasons to do so.ydoethur said:
Can you keep this up all di?MarqueeMark said:
Asda man said....ydoethur said:
We're going to be under a Lidl pressure.kyf_100 said:
Wow. I always saw him as more of a Waitrose/M&S kinda guy. If the cost of living crisis has reduced Leon to shopping in Iceland, imagine how poor the rest of us must be!MarqueeMark said:0
