I wonder if anyone has spotted the irony of a hymn that includes 'Thy throne shall never, like Earth's proud empires, pass away?'
Not sure I see the irony. The Queen was devout. And almost certainly chose that hymn.
I was thinking that this is, very literally, the passing of the last vestige of an Empire, but the implication could almost be the Throne will endure beyond it.
On a theological point of order, isn't that the Divine throne?
Psalm 47:7-9
7 For God is the King of all the earth: sing ye praises with understanding.
8 God reigneth over the heathen: God sitteth upon the throne of his holiness.
9 The princes of the people are gathered together, even the people of the God of Abraham: for the shields of the earth belong unto God: he is greatly exalted.
At The King's request, the wreath contains foliage of Rosemary, English Oak and Myrtle (cut from a plant grown from Myrtle in The Queen's wedding bouquet) and flowers, in shades of gold, pink and deep burgundy, with touches of white, cut from the gardens of Royal Residences.
Crimond was popularised as in effect the signature tune of the Glasgow Orpheus Choir in the years after the First World War. Rediscovered by one of its members, they began to sing it as they unrobed after concerts, bringing it Hugh Roberton's attention. it was rewritten to become the final piece in almost all their later concerts. Sung unaccompanied, of course, as in verse 3 here.
You're a moderator are you? Funny how you're in favour of cancel culture when it suits you.
You enjoy the funeral, I can post what I like assuming the moderation team is okay with it.
You can, and the rest of us can judge you for it.
You mention the moderation team, but why are you number 3?
You are the most pointless poster here, your MO is to tell people off. I've never seen you contribute a single intelligent or original thought. You can get to fuck now matey.
Those choristers are good (not that I am an expert). And what an event to be part of, so young; and BBC2 has the service signed. It's funny seeing the signing guy signing the hymns...
Is the airspace over London closed today? The security implications of today are mind boggling.
Just looked - there is a NOTAM closing off airspace for the funeral. Plus another one warning that GPS jamming may be in use in the same area, so UAVs will have issues.
In the nicest possible way, Our Lord was a complete nutter wasn't he? The stone cold literal minded certainty of the passage Truss has just read - it's not Thomas you worry about, it's the rest of them.
Is the airspace over London closed today? The security implications of today are mind boggling.
Just looked - there is a NOTAM closing off airspace for the funeral. Plus another one warning that GPS jamming may be in use in the same area, so UAVs will have issues.
GPS jamming? So if you opened Google Maps it wouldn't know where you are?
How does that work, isn't your phone looking for a satellite in the sky? Fascinating.
I wonder if anyone has spotted the irony of a hymn that includes 'Thy throne shall never, like Earth's proud empires, pass away?'
Not sure I see the irony. The Queen was devout. And almost certainly chose that hymn.
I was thinking that this is, very literally, the passing of the last vestige of an Empire, but the implication could almost be the Throne will endure beyond it.
On a theological point of order, isn't that the Divine throne?
Psalm 47:7-9
7 For God is the King of all the earth: sing ye praises with understanding.
8 God reigneth over the heathen: God sitteth upon the throne of his holiness.
9 The princes of the people are gathered together, even the people of the God of Abraham: for the shields of the earth belong unto God: he is greatly exalted.
This may literally be true, but it often feels like most hymns were not designed to be sung to the tunes they are connected with.
I was thinking exactly the same thing! The tunes of hynns are something Christianity hasn't really got right. I understand the principle of communal singing engensering togetherness, but it has to be a tune which is a) easy and b) enjoyable to sing. Otherwise everyone is just grimly lookinh forward to the end of it.
Is the airspace over London closed today? The security implications of today are mind boggling.
Just looked - there is a NOTAM closing off airspace for the funeral. Plus another one warning that GPS jamming may be in use in the same area, so UAVs will have issues.
GPS jamming? So if you opened Google Maps it wouldn't know where you are?
How does that work, isn't your phone looking for a satellite in the sky? Fascinating.
Either they are modifying the signals of the satellites themselves (unlikely) or they are producing interference in the area which disrupts the signal.
This may literally be true, but it often feels like most hymns were not designed to be sung to the tunes they are connected with.
I was thinking exactly the same thing! The tunes of hynns are something Christianity hasn't really got right. I understand the principle of communal singing engensering togetherness, but it has to be a tune which is a) easy and b) enjoyable to sing. Otherwise everyone is just grimly lookinh forward to the end of it.
In the case of Wesley, the words were written to fit popular tunes.
Later, generally, the words predated the tunes, as in the case of both hymns we've had so far, and the tunes were actually written to fit them.
NEW Details of the sustainable symbolic floral wreath on the #Queen’s coffin, selected at the #King’s request from the gardens at Buckingham Palace, Clarence House and Highgrove, including some of #QueenElizabethII’s favourite blooms https://twitter.com/RoyaNikkhah/status/1571798383366488064/photo/1
If you’re watching the BBC I’d suggest trying ITV - very little commentary.
The BBC mercifully has none at all.
It’s stopped has it? Before it was cutting back and forth to talking heads with Huw Edwards saying “Commonwealth leaders are arriving at the Abbey” while ITV was actually showing them.
Nice touch, English hymn with Scottish melody.
As was remarked at the Jubilee, with the late Queen’s attention to detail, nothing happens by chance.
This may literally be true, but it often feels like most hymns were not designed to be sung to the tunes they are connected with.
I was thinking exactly the same thing! The tunes of hynns are something Christianity hasn't really got right. I understand the principle of communal singing engensering togetherness, but it has to be a tune which is a) easy and b) enjoyable to sing. Otherwise everyone is just grimly lookinh forward to the end of it.
In the case of Wesley, the words were written to fit popular tunes.
Later, generally, the words predated the tunes, as in the case of both hymns we've had so far, and the tunes were actually written to fit them.
Not always simply it has to be said - some complicated notes for each word sometimes.
The Palace reportedly asked the Prince and Princess of Wales to consider bringing Prince George because of the message it sends to the public, as he is the future king
William and Kate are understood to have thought “very carefully” about how much to involve their children
The Palace reportedly asked the Prince and Princess of Wales to consider bringing Prince George because of the message it sends to the public, as he is the future king
William and Kate are understood to have thought “very carefully” about how much to involve their children
I'm surprised how much I'm enjoying hearing Liz Truss speak. A voice I can recognise. Much more relatable - to me - than any of her predecessors.
I don't care, I'm totally ambivalent about the Royal Family and the Monarchy in general. I have no interest in seeing them removed or replaced as it won't actually do anything.
But I am perfectly entitled to comment on stuff that's going on, however much other people are trying to say I can't or shouldn't.
It's a very sad event clearly and I am sorry for the loss of the Queen - but it doesn't mean I have to not comment
Is the airspace over London closed today? The security implications of today are mind boggling.
Just looked - there is a NOTAM closing off airspace for the funeral. Plus another one warning that GPS jamming may be in use in the same area, so UAVs will have issues.
GPS jamming? So if you opened Google Maps it wouldn't know where you are?
How does that work, isn't your phone looking for a satellite in the sky? Fascinating.
Various ways it can be done. They test it every so often; I've had GPS go squiffy on me whilst walking near the Norfolk ranges.
There are a multitude of ways it can be done; either via the satellites themselves (though that requires the US to do it), but with GLOSNASS, GALLILEO and the other GNSS systems that's not really a workable approach any more.
The most 'obvious' technique is to broadcast other signals that interfere with, or even spoof, the very weak signals coming from the satellites. (Spoofing means that it could persuade you that you are a long way from where you actually are, rather than just drowning out the signals).
All cool stuff, really. The maths behind it is apparently fascinating (and way above my pay grade).
This anthem, which was written by the Atheist and Darwinist Hubert Parry, was one of his 'Songs of Farewell' to commemorate six of his pupils who died in the First World War. They were among his last works as he died in 1918.
Instructive that he chose religious texts despite his intense dislike of religion, but quite staggering to think it was about 10 years before the Queen was born and is now well over 100 years old.
The Palace reportedly asked the Prince and Princess of Wales to consider bringing Prince George because of the message it sends to the public, as he is the future king
William and Kate are understood to have thought “very carefully” about how much to involve their children
Lovely, using a child for PR opportunities.
Children never go to funerals of course.
Parents always think carefully about it before deciding.
This may literally be true, but it often feels like most hymns were not designed to be sung to the tunes they are connected with.
I was thinking exactly the same thing! The tunes of hynns are something Christianity hasn't really got right. I understand the principle of communal singing engensering togetherness, but it has to be a tune which is a) easy and b) enjoyable to sing. Otherwise everyone is just grimly lookinh forward to the end of it.
This may literally be true, but it often feels like most hymns were not designed to be sung to the tunes they are connected with.
I was thinking exactly the same thing! The tunes of hynns are something Christianity hasn't really got right. I understand the principle of communal singing engensering togetherness, but it has to be a tune which is a) easy and b) enjoyable to sing. Otherwise everyone is just grimly lookinh forward to the end of it.
In the case of Wesley, the words were written to fit popular tunes.
Later, generally, the words predated the tunes, as in the case of both hymns we've had so far, and the tunes were actually written to fit them.
Not always simply it has to be said - some complicated notes for each word sometimes.
I'm surprised how much I'm enjoying hearing Liz Truss speak. A voice I can recognise. Much more relatable - to me - than any of her predecessors.
I don't care, I'm totally ambivalent about the Royal Family and the Monarchy in general. I have no interest in seeing them removed or replaced as it won't actually do anything.
But I am perfectly entitled to comment on stuff that's going on, however much other people are trying to say I can't or shouldn't.
It's a very sad event clearly and I am sorry for the loss of the Queen - but it doesn't mean I have to not comment
But which scenario is more boring:
1. A boring thing happens
2. A boring thing happens AND CHB says
This is boring I find this boring Boring, this is 6 letters, also means drilling through earth BORING
Is the airspace over London closed today? The security implications of today are mind boggling.
Just looked - there is a NOTAM closing off airspace for the funeral. Plus another one warning that GPS jamming may be in use in the same area, so UAVs will have issues.
I'm surprised how much I'm enjoying hearing Liz Truss speak. A voice I can recognise. Much more relatable - to me - than any of her predecessors.
I don't care, I'm totally ambivalent about the Royal Family and the Monarchy in general. I have no interest in seeing them removed or replaced as it won't actually do anything.
But I am perfectly entitled to comment on stuff that's going on, however much other people are trying to say I can't or shouldn't.
It's a very sad event clearly and I am sorry for the loss of the Queen - but it doesn't mean I have to not comment
But which scenario is more boring:
1. A boring thing happens
2. A boring thing happens AND CHB says
This is boring I find this boring Boring, this is 6 letters, also means drilling through earth BORING
I'm surprised how much I'm enjoying hearing Liz Truss speak. A voice I can recognise. Much more relatable - to me - than any of her predecessors.
I don't care, I'm totally ambivalent about the Royal Family and the Monarchy in general. I have no interest in seeing them removed or replaced as it won't actually do anything.
But I am perfectly entitled to comment on stuff that's going on, however much other people are trying to say I can't or shouldn't.
It's a very sad event clearly and I am sorry for the loss of the Queen - but it doesn't mean I have to not comment
But which scenario is more boring:
1. A boring thing happens
2. A boring thing happens AND CHB says
This is boring I find this boring Boring, this is 6 letters, also means drilling through earth BORING
every 10th post in every thread?
You can just scroll past mate.
The hymns are pretty good tbf
You are so bored of the service, you are watching it.
Your reminder this could have been Boris Johnson if the queen had died 72 hours earlier.
Can you imagine him losing his place in the middle of the reading and waffling on about Peppa Pig instead?
All too easily.
On a different subject, the wreath is a very beautiful piece of work and tastefully done. Respect to everyone involved.
It is absolutely glorious isn't it.
It’s all glorious. This is why you have funerals. And, ideally, why you have beautiful funerals in Gothic abbeys with fluting English choirs: the beauty heals
At The King's request, the wreath contains foliage of Rosemary, English Oak and Myrtle (cut from a plant grown from Myrtle in The Queen's wedding bouquet) and flowers, in shades of gold, pink and deep burgundy, with touches of white, cut from the gardens of Royal Residences.
I'm surprised how much I'm enjoying hearing Liz Truss speak. A voice I can recognise. Much more relatable - to me - than any of her predecessors.
I don't care, I'm totally ambivalent about the Royal Family and the Monarchy in general. I have no interest in seeing them removed or replaced as it won't actually do anything.
But I am perfectly entitled to comment on stuff that's going on, however much other people are trying to say I can't or shouldn't.
It's a very sad event clearly and I am sorry for the loss of the Queen - but it doesn't mean I have to not comment
But which scenario is more boring:
1. A boring thing happens
2. A boring thing happens AND CHB says
This is boring I find this boring Boring, this is 6 letters, also means drilling through earth BORING
every 10th post in every thread?
I don't know. It's very helpful in making up my mind.
Is the airspace over London closed today? The security implications of today are mind boggling.
Just looked - there is a NOTAM closing off airspace for the funeral. Plus another one warning that GPS jamming may be in use in the same area, so UAVs will have issues.
GPS jamming? So if you opened Google Maps it wouldn't know where you are?
How does that work, isn't your phone looking for a satellite in the sky? Fascinating.
Transmit a radio signal strongly on the same frequency and drown out the signal from the satellite, or spoof it if you have the right codes.
I'm surprised how much I'm enjoying hearing Liz Truss speak. A voice I can recognise. Much more relatable - to me - than any of her predecessors.
I don't care, I'm totally ambivalent about the Royal Family and the Monarchy in general. I have no interest in seeing them removed or replaced as it won't actually do anything.
But I am perfectly entitled to comment on stuff that's going on, however much other people are trying to say I can't or shouldn't.
It's a very sad event clearly and I am sorry for the loss of the Queen - but it doesn't mean I have to not comment
But which scenario is more boring:
1. A boring thing happens
2. A boring thing happens AND CHB says
This is boring I find this boring Boring, this is 6 letters, also means drilling through earth BORING
every 10th post in every thread?
You can just scroll past mate.
The hymns are pretty good tbf
You are so bored of the service, you are watching it.
Never said I was bored of the service.
I don't think I ever said I was bored at all, it's gone on far too long the whole thing and it's over the top but people can like or be part of what they want.
What I don't like is posters here - not you - telling me that I can't post stuff on a political site, about politics!
Perfect funereal weather here. Grey and drizzly has suddenly given way to sparkly and bright. Hopefully something similar in Westminster this afternoon.
Can we have the coronation first at least, just so we can say we saw one?
Should we also have a communist dictatorship first, just so we can say we had seen one of those, too? My vote is no, no thanks.
Yes, an extravagant one off ceremony is totally the same thing as a dictatorship, I can see that now.
Your FOMO is making you read things that aren't there. A coronation is stupid. You don't need to see one to know that.
And perhaps you need to lighten up (and as you've done so before, don't pretend that is being told you cannot say something so you can play a martyr) and not take what was already clearly a joke so seriously. I would not mind if we forwent coronations, we have other ceremonials.
This is trough Welby: mogadon man on mogadon stuff.
I enjoyed the two footed tackle on his fellow Etonian in the middle of it though. Very nicely done.
I must have nodded off, how did that work?
An attack on those who "cling to power" - maybe he had no one specific in mind but it certainly put a particular recent example of that in my mind.
Two such people, in fact. A huge American audience for this too that there will be later today, despite most of them still being asleep for the moment.
Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby: “Those who serve will be loved and remembered longer than those who cling to power and privilege are long forgotten”.
It's very, very religious for a quite not religious country. All this shall be received into the grace and glory of the lord and entry into his kingdom, lord this, lord that, I mean I know it has to happen but I would have thought it won't do a huge amount to help the relevance of a modern monarchy.
Your reminder this could have been Boris Johnson if the queen had died 72 hours earlier.
Can you imagine him losing his place in the middle of the reading and waffling on about Peppa Pig instead?
All too easily.
On a different subject, the wreath is a very beautiful piece of work and tastefully done. Respect to everyone involved.
It is absolutely glorious isn't it.
It’s all glorious. This is why you have funerals. And, ideally, why you have beautiful funerals in Gothic abbeys with fluting English choirs: the beauty heals
Remarkable how many of the people in high authority are now women. Such a change over the course of Her Majesty's reign.
Can we have the coronation first at least, just so we can say we saw one?
Should we also have a communist dictatorship first, just so we can say we had seen one of those, too? My vote is no, no thanks.
Yes, an extravagant one off ceremony is totally the same thing as a dictatorship, I can see that now.
Your FOMO is making you read things that aren't there. A coronation is stupid. You don't need to see one to know that.
And perhaps you need to lighten up (and as you've done so before, don't pretend that is being told you cannot say something so you can play a martyr) and not take what was already clearly a joke so seriously. I would not mind if we forwent coronations, we have other ceremonials.
Oh, so you're trying to stop me playing the martyr? I thought we had free speech in this country. I'll just gag myself and stand on this pile of wood, feel free to apply the flame at your leisure.
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Psalm 47:7-9
7 For God is the King of all the earth: sing ye praises with understanding.
8 God reigneth over the heathen: God sitteth upon the throne of his holiness.
9 The princes of the people are gathered together, even the people of the God of Abraham: for the shields of the earth belong unto God: he is greatly exalted.
I thought Baroness Scotland did well, she has a lovely voice. Truss did well. She must be relieved.
You mention the moderation team, but why are you number 3?
Crimond was popularised as in effect the signature tune of the Glasgow Orpheus Choir in the years after the First World War. Rediscovered by one of its members, they began to sing it as they unrobed after concerts, bringing it Hugh Roberton's attention. it was rewritten to become the final piece in almost all their later concerts. Sung unaccompanied, of course, as in verse 3 here.
Still love the sound of hymns. There's something special and moving about it I can really respect even as atheist.
Where the fcuk is Paddington?
Makes no sense whatsoever to the average punter. One of the least poetic and uplifting possible.
Edit: Apols, you specified BBC2.
How does that work, isn't your phone looking for a satellite in the sky? Fascinating.
The Queen is departing the world: with predictably impeccable taste
Edit: actually quite a few folk asking that, sort of. The wires came down between it and Reading this morning. Poor folk.
Alleluia!
Later, generally, the words predated the tunes, as in the case of both hymns we've had so far, and the tunes were actually written to fit them.
Nice touch, English hymn with Scottish melody.
As was remarked at the Jubilee, with the late Queen’s attention to detail, nothing happens by chance.
The Palace reportedly asked the Prince and Princess of Wales to consider bringing Prince George because of the message it sends to the public, as he is the future king
William and Kate are understood to have thought “very carefully” about how much to involve their children
Lovely, using a child for PR opportunities.
I'm surprised how much I'm enjoying hearing Liz Truss speak. A voice I can recognise. Much more relatable - to me - than any of her predecessors.
But I am perfectly entitled to comment on stuff that's going on, however much other people are trying to say I can't or shouldn't.
It's a very sad event clearly and I am sorry for the loss of the Queen - but it doesn't mean I have to not comment
There are a multitude of ways it can be done; either via the satellites themselves (though that requires the US to do it), but with GLOSNASS, GALLILEO and the other GNSS systems that's not really a workable approach any more.
The most 'obvious' technique is to broadcast other signals that interfere with, or even spoof, the very weak signals coming from the satellites. (Spoofing means that it could persuade you that you are a long way from where you actually are, rather than just drowning out the signals).
All cool stuff, really. The maths behind it is apparently fascinating (and way above my pay grade).
On a different subject, the wreath is a very beautiful piece of work and tastefully done. Respect to everyone involved.
Instructive that he chose religious texts despite his intense dislike of religion, but quite staggering to think it was about 10 years before the Queen was born and is now well over 100 years old.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maxwell's_equations
1. A boring thing happens
2. A boring thing happens AND CHB says
This is boring
I find this boring
Boring, this is
6 letters, also means drilling through earth
BORING
every 10th post in every thread?
https://notaminfo.com/explain?id=1855123 , https://notaminfo.com/explain?id=1852795 , https://notaminfo.com/explain?id=1852300 for the second.
The hymns are pretty good tbf
A coronation is stupid. You don't need to see one to know that.
It’s all glorious. This is why you have funerals. And, ideally, why you have beautiful funerals in Gothic abbeys with fluting English choirs: the beauty heals
Communal singing is special.
JJ: Certainly not, it did a lot of other things.
I don't think I ever said I was bored at all, it's gone on far too long the whole thing and it's over the top but people can like or be part of what they want.
What I don't like is posters here - not you - telling me that I can't post stuff on a political site, about politics!
Protestant first XI
I thought it was a dig at Vlad.
https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1571811379702546434
were they contemp at Eton? Is this payback for blackballing him from Pop?
https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1571811379702546434
Do other countries do it better? I am afraid I don't know
But Blaenwern will do.
Communal speaking always sounds like the Borg.
May be heretical but I do actually prefer Hyfrydol to Blaenwern.