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  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,103
    TimS said:

    This really is impressive.

    I like the style of marching at events like this. Synchronised, but not excessively so in the self-parodic North Korean fashion. The French are good at that too.

    The weather has behaved impeccably.

    It might be the dramatic flourishes and perfection of NK style presentation that for some reason makes it seem a little unnatural, like there's no way even very well trained and choreographed troops should be so robotically in sync.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,664

    Britain's Sic transit gloria mundi moment? Or renewal and rebirth?

    Neither really, this is Britain and the Commonwealth here and now. This is not the past. This is today. Good isn’t it?
  • Didn't watch all of it, but more than I expected. Cheers to whoever it was that suggested Sky for just the right amount of commentary without waffling.
  • Eabhal said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Cyclefree said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    SeanT said:

    The Funeral of Prince Andrew, after this, is going to be like Police Academy 5

    He doesn't deserve a funeral, it's sickening he's been given any praise or publicity during this whole thing.
    Publicity yes, praise no. His tribute to HMQ gives us a new pretext to loathe, despise and ridicule him.

    "Mummy"

    Thanks for the £12m.

    https://news.sky.com/story/duke-of-york-pays-tribute-to-the-queen-12700540
    He shouldn't even be in the Royal Family, he should have been removed from it.
    Well he has been, that's why he's not in military uniform unlike the others.

    He's still at his mother's funeral though. Can't be stripped of that.
    Charles called her Mummy too.

    But really take a good hard look at yourself. He is a grieving son. Not a working Royal. Your unkind remarks at such a time about a man in mourning - like the unkind remarks people make about the Sussexes or others - say more about those making the remarks (and not in a good way) than about the targets.

    A bit of common politeness would not go amiss. And if you can't be polite, try silence. Good manners cost nothing.
    Sorry @BartholomewRoberts - that was addressed to @CorrectHorseBattery not you. My apologies.
    I stand by what I said.

    I've got no issue with him grieving at a funeral.

    He shouldn't be a Prince and the publicity he's been given is insulting and sickening.
    Not sure there's much more they can do without getting some laws changed by Parliament (which it sounds like Charles will do).

    He hasn't been convicted nor has he admitted anything illegal. And I think the site moderators are being quite generous with what they have let you say so far.
    I already said well done Charles if that is his plan. Full credit for that.

    He paid a woman he's never met, he's implied he's guilty in the court of public opinion even if he legally isn't.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990
    The sound design has been incredible
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,368
    Huw Edwards is such a simpering wretch. A very annoying commentary. If only Murray Walker were still with us for his take on the events.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,397
    Last time the queen was at Buckingham palace was for her balcony appearance at the Jubilee.

    I'm so glad she made that. Even though I didn't expect she'd die this soon afterwards, there was a bit of a feeling it was a goodbye and Charles would be taking on most public appearances from now on.

    And what a goodbye it was.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061
    Jonathan said:

    Britain's Sic transit gloria mundi moment? Or renewal and rebirth?

    Neither really, this is Britain and the Commonwealth here and now. This is not the past. This is today. Good isn’t it?
    Oh its extraordinary and so is this nation
  • Britain's Sic transit gloria mundi moment? Or renewal and rebirth?

    The gloria Britannica transited some time ago. Hopefully the mundi will last a bit longer...
  • Mr. Pete, Murray Walker's talents did indeed extend beyond F1 commentary.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zl-oAsDCGNA
  • DynamoDynamo Posts: 651
    edited September 2022
    Cyclefree said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    SeanT said:

    The Funeral of Prince Andrew, after this, is going to be like Police Academy 5

    He doesn't deserve a funeral, it's sickening he's been given any praise or publicity during this whole thing.
    Publicity yes, praise no. His tribute to HMQ gives us a new pretext to loathe, despise and ridicule him.

    "Mummy"

    Thanks for the £12m.

    https://news.sky.com/story/duke-of-york-pays-tribute-to-the-queen-12700540
    He shouldn't even be in the Royal Family, he should have been removed from it.
    Well he has been, that's why he's not in military uniform unlike the others.

    He's still at his mother's funeral though. Can't be stripped of that.
    Charles called her Mummy too.

    But really take a good hard look at yourself. He is a grieving son. Not a working Royal. Your unkind remarks at such a time about a man in mourning - like the unkind remarks people make about the Sussexes or others - say more about those making the remarks (and not in a good way) than about the targets.

    A bit of common politeness would not go amiss. And if you can't be polite, try silence. Good manners cost nothing.
    This isn't a funeral. It's a c***s' carnival, a big show of power using splendour and religion and pomp.
    The family could have decided to hold only a private funeral, and to pay for it out of their own pockets. Grieve for the old bag. Bury or cremate her carcass. Few anti-royalists would have much of a problem with that. But they don't, do they? They get their lackeys to talk about "the kingdom" and all that sh*t. Don't talk about manners. They're the rudest most vulgar scum in the country. Royalism is the apotheosis of exclusion and filthy manners, of all that is muck, worthless, surface, ludicrous, vomit, idiotic, with massive chips on its shoulders but you can't see that.
  • Huw Edwards is such a simpering wretch. A very annoying commentary. If only Murray Walker were still with us for his take on the events.

    From what people are saying, I'm surprised there's anyone left watching this on the BBC.

    Sky are doing a very good job to be fair. Not sure who the guy is doing the (very limited) commentary but he's judging it right IMO.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 8,671
    Apparently the Sapphire atop the crown is from 1042. Anglo-Saxon.
  • nico679nico679 Posts: 6,275
    Many in the procession still have the ER insignia . So will this no longer be the case from tomorrow .
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,103
    edited September 2022

    Huw Edwards is such a simpering wretch. A very annoying commentary. If only Murray Walker were still with us for his take on the events.

    She's outdeaded herself! And now that is Prince Michael of Kent unless I'm very much mistaken...I am very much mistaken, it's actually the President of Gabon, Ali Bongo Ondimba.
  • Huw Edwards is such a simpering wretch. A very annoying commentary. If only Murray Walker were still with us for his take on the events.

    Why I switched to ITV - same pictures as far as I can tell - just A LOT less commentary.
  • Cyclefree said:

    The view down the Mall just now - stunning.

    Hopefully it will be open for me to cycle to work tomorrow!
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,397
    nico679 said:

    Many in the procession still have the ER insignia . So will this no longer be the case from tomorrow .

    I think that they have until the coronation to change the uniforms. In heraldic terms, until then we are still transitioning from one reign to another.

    But they will have to be changed for that, obviously!
  • nico679 said:

    Many in the procession still have the ER insignia . So will this no longer be the case from tomorrow .

    I think they need to design the C III R insignia still, and Charles has authorised the E II R insignia to continue to be used in the meantime. It was part of the Privy Council proclamation ceremony that they did.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,103
    edited September 2022
    Dynamo said:

    Cyclefree said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    SeanT said:

    The Funeral of Prince Andrew, after this, is going to be like Police Academy 5

    He doesn't deserve a funeral, it's sickening he's been given any praise or publicity during this whole thing.
    Publicity yes, praise no. His tribute to HMQ gives us a new pretext to loathe, despise and ridicule him.

    "Mummy"

    Thanks for the £12m.

    https://news.sky.com/story/duke-of-york-pays-tribute-to-the-queen-12700540
    He shouldn't even be in the Royal Family, he should have been removed from it.
    Well he has been, that's why he's not in military uniform unlike the others.

    He's still at his mother's funeral though. Can't be stripped of that.
    Charles called her Mummy too.

    But really take a good hard look at yourself. He is a grieving son. Not a working Royal. Your unkind remarks at such a time about a man in mourning - like the unkind remarks people make about the Sussexes or others - say more about those making the remarks (and not in a good way) than about the targets.

    A bit of common politeness would not go amiss. And if you can't be polite, try silence. Good manners cost nothing.
    This isn't a funeral. It's a c***s' carnival, a big show of power using splendour and religion and pomp.
    The family could have decided to hold only a private funeral, and to pay for it out of their own pockets. Grieve for the old bag. Bury or cremate her carcass. Few anti-royalists would have much of a problem with that. But they don't, do they? They get their lackeys to talk about "the kingdom" and all that sh*t. Don't talk about manners. They're the rudest most vulgar scum in the country. Royalism is the apotheosis of exclusion and filthy manners.
    I won't talk about manners.

    What I will talk about is that Head of State funerals are generally paid for by the State, whetever the type of state. So it is a bit silly to think the individual would pay.

    Glad you recognise the splendour though.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,664
    edited September 2022

    Jonathan said:

    Britain's Sic transit gloria mundi moment? Or renewal and rebirth?

    Neither really, this is Britain and the Commonwealth here and now. This is not the past. This is today. Good isn’t it?
    Oh its extraordinary and so is this nation
    Well quite. We give ourselves a hard time, but this is good as anything that went before, if not better. This is our generation doing things right. Enjoy the moment.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990

    Huw Edwards is such a simpering wretch. A very annoying commentary. If only Murray Walker were still with us for his take on the events.

    Why I switched to ITV - same pictures as far as I can tell - just A LOT less commentary.
    The ITV commentary has been sparse, and informative
  • Mr. Roberts, it's Alistair[sp] Bruce, who does a lot of things of this nature for Sky, I think. He's very good, knows his beans but doesn't love the sound of his own voice.
  • Huw Edwards is such a simpering wretch. A very annoying commentary. If only Murray Walker were still with us for his take on the events.

    Why I switched to ITV - same pictures as far as I can tell - just A LOT less commentary.
    Sky's coverage has been impeccable
  • paulyork64paulyork64 Posts: 2,507
    I hope Kate becomes Colonel in Chief of some regiment. Anne looks great in uniform. Better than most the men. And Kate would too.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061

    Britain's Sic transit gloria mundi moment? Or renewal and rebirth?

    The gloria Britannica transited some time ago. Hopefully the mundi will last a bit longer...
    I believe i disagree with the former sentence
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    SeanT said:

    Cyclefree said:

    I find the marching before and after even more impressive to be honest.

    Right to the end The Queen was thinking: what is good for the United Kingdom?

    THIS

    I genuinely wonder if she died in Scotland *to reinforce the union*

    Seriously. She must have known she was close. So why not make the final act of her life a way of reinforcing the UK?

    What a woman

    *bows head*
    Absolutely heaving at the big screen in Edinburgh

    https://twitter.com/julietdunlop/status/1571770922037657603
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,930
    Dynamo said:

    Cyclefree said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    SeanT said:

    The Funeral of Prince Andrew, after this, is going to be like Police Academy 5

    He doesn't deserve a funeral, it's sickening he's been given any praise or publicity during this whole thing.
    Publicity yes, praise no. His tribute to HMQ gives us a new pretext to loathe, despise and ridicule him.

    "Mummy"

    Thanks for the £12m.

    https://news.sky.com/story/duke-of-york-pays-tribute-to-the-queen-12700540
    He shouldn't even be in the Royal Family, he should have been removed from it.
    Well he has been, that's why he's not in military uniform unlike the others.

    He's still at his mother's funeral though. Can't be stripped of that.
    Charles called her Mummy too.

    But really take a good hard look at yourself. He is a grieving son. Not a working Royal. Your unkind remarks at such a time about a man in mourning - like the unkind remarks people make about the Sussexes or others - say more about those making the remarks (and not in a good way) than about the targets.

    A bit of common politeness would not go amiss. And if you can't be polite, try silence. Good manners cost nothing.
    This isn't a funeral. It's a c***s' carnival, a big show of power using splendour and religion and pomp.
    The family could have decided to hold only a private funeral, and to pay for it out of their own pockets. Grieve for the old bag. Bury or cremate her carcass. Few anti-royalists would have much of a problem with that. But they don't, do they? They get their lackeys to talk about "the kingdom" and all that sh*t. Don't talk about manners. They're the rudest most vulgar scum in the country. Royalism is the apotheosis of exclusion and filthy manners.
    She was the monarch, not a private individual.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,397
    kle4 said:

    Dynamo said:

    Cyclefree said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    SeanT said:

    The Funeral of Prince Andrew, after this, is going to be like Police Academy 5

    He doesn't deserve a funeral, it's sickening he's been given any praise or publicity during this whole thing.
    Publicity yes, praise no. His tribute to HMQ gives us a new pretext to loathe, despise and ridicule him.

    "Mummy"

    Thanks for the £12m.

    https://news.sky.com/story/duke-of-york-pays-tribute-to-the-queen-12700540
    He shouldn't even be in the Royal Family, he should have been removed from it.
    Well he has been, that's why he's not in military uniform unlike the others.

    He's still at his mother's funeral though. Can't be stripped of that.
    Charles called her Mummy too.

    But really take a good hard look at yourself. He is a grieving son. Not a working Royal. Your unkind remarks at such a time about a man in mourning - like the unkind remarks people make about the Sussexes or others - say more about those making the remarks (and not in a good way) than about the targets.

    A bit of common politeness would not go amiss. And if you can't be polite, try silence. Good manners cost nothing.
    This isn't a funeral. It's a c***s' carnival, a big show of power using splendour and religion and pomp.
    The family could have decided to hold only a private funeral, and to pay for it out of their own pockets. Grieve for the old bag. Bury or cremate her carcass. Few anti-royalists would have much of a problem with that. But they don't, do they? They get their lackeys to talk about "the kingdom" and all that sh*t. Don't talk about manners. They're the rudest most vulgar scum in the country. Royalism is the apotheosis of exclusion and filthy manners.
    I won't talk about manners.

    What I will talk about is that Head of State funerals are generally paid for by the State, whetever the type of state. So it is a bit silly to think the individual would pay.

    Glad you recognise the splendour though.
    I hope Putin's won't be. He's nicked enough from the Russians. Their money, resources, land, young men, reputation and future is enough without a funeral on top.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,173
    kle4 said:

    I love the Cenotaph, it is an excellent memorial.

    It's not a memorial, it's a cenotaph. An empty tomb.
    Top class pedantry!
    Hmm. That's a bit of technical meaning that needs supplementing, perhaps. It functions as a memorial.

    a sepulchral monument erected in memory of a deceased person whose body is buried elsewhere.

    That says "memorial" to me.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 8,671
    edited September 2022
    IshmaelZ said:

    Eabhal said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Cyclefree said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    SeanT said:

    The Funeral of Prince Andrew, after this, is going to be like Police Academy 5

    He doesn't deserve a funeral, it's sickening he's been given any praise or publicity during this whole thing.
    Publicity yes, praise no. His tribute to HMQ gives us a new pretext to loathe, despise and ridicule him.

    "Mummy"

    Thanks for the £12m.

    https://news.sky.com/story/duke-of-york-pays-tribute-to-the-queen-12700540
    He shouldn't even be in the Royal Family, he should have been removed from it.
    Well he has been, that's why he's not in military uniform unlike the others.

    He's still at his mother's funeral though. Can't be stripped of that.
    Charles called her Mummy too.

    But really take a good hard look at yourself. He is a grieving son. Not a working Royal. Your unkind remarks at such a time about a man in mourning - like the unkind remarks people make about the Sussexes or others - say more about those making the remarks (and not in a good way) than about the targets.

    A bit of common politeness would not go amiss. And if you can't be polite, try silence. Good manners cost nothing.
    Sorry @BartholomewRoberts - that was addressed to @CorrectHorseBattery not you. My apologies.
    I stand by what I said.

    I've got no issue with him grieving at a funeral.

    He shouldn't be a Prince and the publicity he's been given is insulting and sickening.
    Not sure there's much more they can do without getting some laws changed by Parliament (which it sounds like Charles will do).

    He hasn't been convicted nor has he admitted anything illegal. And I think the site moderators are being quite generous with what they have let you say so far.
    The grand old Duke of York
    He had 12 million quid
    He gave it to someone he never met
    For something he never did.
    I obviously get all that. The legalities are just a bit awkward. I think just the association with Epstein post conviction is enough to boot him out entirely but I get why it hasn't happened.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,173
    Ooops. I'm in trouble.

    Just reminded an #FBPE on Twitter that we left the EU because we voted to do so.

    :smile:
  • TimSTimS Posts: 12,995
    edited September 2022
    MattW said:

    TimS said:

    Watching as the trumpets play and the organ chimes in, and then the bagpipes start sounding I’m struck by how exotic Britain is.

    It’s easy to imagine yourself a foreign viewer today wondering at the sheer differentness of this country and its national rituals.

    I'm not really convinced by that.

    Every country has their own ceremonial, often rooted in tradition, or reinvented versions of tradition.

    See for example, funeral ceremonies held in the Reichstag or the Requiem Mass for French Presidents.

    Or, for sheer differentness, try Chile with their pickelhaube and goosesteps inherited from the Prussian Military who retrained their armed forces more than a century ago. I think Sweden still do Pickelhaube.

    Or as DA pointed out the other day, the Greeks with their interesting ceremonial uniforms.

    New countries recreate their own, and to me that feels more incongruous than something developed from an historical tradition, which I put under the "life's rich tapestry" label.

    Consider the sheer breadth of exoticism on display today though. Not just funny uniforms.

    We have one of dozens of full time cathedral choirs with cassocked choristers, something that scarcely exists elsewhere except in a handful of large cities. Singing English choral music that nobody foreign will recognise.

    Bagpipes, immediately transporting the viewer to some craggy highland moor.

    A whole panoply of funny uniforms with their own stories. I noticed the beefeaters were there for example.

    A royal family with celebrity members.

    As well as driving on the left, pubs and all the other stuff.



  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,397

    I hope Kate becomes Colonel in Chief of some regiment. Anne looks great in uniform. Better than most the men. And Kate would too.

    Speaking of which, several of the ratings pulling the gun carriage were women. I take it that's another first? Or did the Queen Mother have some women in her procession too?
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061
    MattW said:

    Ooops. I'm in trouble.

    Just reminded an #FBPE on Twitter that we left the EU because we voted to do so.

    :smile:

    Snicker. E who?
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 8,671
    TimS said:

    MattW said:

    TimS said:

    Watching as the trumpets play and the organ chimes in, and then the bagpipes start sounding I’m struck by how exotic Britain is.

    It’s easy to imagine yourself a foreign viewer today wondering at the sheer differentness of this country and its national rituals.

    I'm not really convinced by that.

    Every country has their own ceremonial, often rooted in tradition, or reinvented versions of tradition.

    See for example, funeral ceremonies held in the Reichstag or the Requiem Mass for French Presidents.

    Or, for sheer differentness, try Chile with their pickelhaube and goosesteps inherited from the Prussian Military who retrained their armed forces more than a century ago. I think Sweden still do Pickelhaube.

    Or as DA pointed out the other day, the Greeks with their interesting ceremonial uniforms.

    New countries recreate their own, and to me that feels more incongruous than something developed from an historical tradition, which I put under the "life's rich tapestry" label.

    Consider the sheer breadth of exoticism on display today though. Not just funny uniforms.

    We have dozens of full time cathedral choirs with cassocked choristers, something that scarcely exists elsewhere except in a handful of large cities. Singing English choral music that nobody foreign will recognise.

    Bagpipes, immediately transporting the viewer to some craggy highland moor.

    A whole panoply of funny uniforms with their own stories. I noticed the beefeaters were there for example.

    A royal family with celebrity members.

    As well as driving on the left, pubs and all the other stuff.



    Not beefeaters. I've got 24 Wikipedia tabs open so far.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,103
    MattW said:

    kle4 said:

    I love the Cenotaph, it is an excellent memorial.

    It's not a memorial, it's a cenotaph. An empty tomb.
    Top class pedantry!
    Hmm. That's a bit of technical meaning that needs supplementing, perhaps. It functions as a memorial.

    a sepulchral monument erected in memory of a deceased person whose body is buried elsewhere.

    That says "memorial" to me.
    Counter pedantry, it's all kicking off!
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,368

    Huw Edwards is such a simpering wretch. A very annoying commentary. If only Murray Walker were still with us for his take on the events.

    From what people are saying, I'm surprised there's anyone left watching this on the BBC.

    Sky are doing a very good job to be fair. Not sure who the guy is doing the (very limited) commentary but he's judging it right IMO.
    I listened to Keane bringing the Queen out of the Abbey and he had just the right gravitas, before this idiot took over. Michael Mates' son was on ITV, and he was better than Edwards.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,397

    Scott_xP said:

    Huw Edwards is such a simpering wretch. A very annoying commentary. If only Murray Walker were still with us for his take on the events.

    Why I switched to ITV - same pictures as far as I can tell - just A LOT less commentary.
    The ITV commentary has been sparse, and informative
    iPlayer has a "no comentary" stream for those who prefer that.
    Dr Palmer, you are a legend. That's much better.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061

    Dynamo said:

    Cyclefree said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    SeanT said:

    The Funeral of Prince Andrew, after this, is going to be like Police Academy 5

    He doesn't deserve a funeral, it's sickening he's been given any praise or publicity during this whole thing.
    Publicity yes, praise no. His tribute to HMQ gives us a new pretext to loathe, despise and ridicule him.

    "Mummy"

    Thanks for the £12m.

    https://news.sky.com/story/duke-of-york-pays-tribute-to-the-queen-12700540
    He shouldn't even be in the Royal Family, he should have been removed from it.
    Well he has been, that's why he's not in military uniform unlike the others.

    He's still at his mother's funeral though. Can't be stripped of that.
    Charles called her Mummy too.

    But really take a good hard look at yourself. He is a grieving son. Not a working Royal. Your unkind remarks at such a time about a man in mourning - like the unkind remarks people make about the Sussexes or others - say more about those making the remarks (and not in a good way) than about the targets.

    A bit of common politeness would not go amiss. And if you can't be polite, try silence. Good manners cost nothing.
    This isn't a funeral. It's a c***s' carnival, a big show of power using splendour and religion and pomp.
    The family could have decided to hold only a private funeral, and to pay for it out of their own pockets. Grieve for the old bag. Bury or cremate her carcass. Few anti-royalists would have much of a problem with that. But they don't, do they? They get their lackeys to talk about "the kingdom" and all that sh*t. Don't talk about manners. They're the rudest most vulgar scum in the country. Royalism is the apotheosis of exclusion and filthy manners, of all that is muck, worthless, surface, ludicrous, vomit, idiotic, with massive chips on its shoulders but you can't see that.
    Don't worry, when Putin accidentally falls out of a window next month, I'm sure your nation's funeral for him will be much more restrained and cut back.
    Lots of oiled muscular men on horseback and a bear in a tutu
  • nico679 said:

    Many in the procession still have the ER insignia . So will this no longer be the case from tomorrow .

    There’s a lot to be changed - I expect it all will be by the Coronation.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    Tall bloke is tall.
  • Britain's Sic transit gloria mundi moment? Or renewal and rebirth?

    The gloria Britannica transited some time ago. Hopefully the mundi will last a bit longer...
    I believe i disagree with the former sentence
    That is OK. I have no objection to people disagreeing with me. It happens on here all the time...
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061

    Britain's Sic transit gloria mundi moment? Or renewal and rebirth?

    The gloria Britannica transited some time ago. Hopefully the mundi will last a bit longer...
    I believe i disagree with the former sentence
    That is OK. I have no objection to people disagreeing with me. It happens on here all the time...
    I find the same. It is cathartic and right.
  • TV coverage has been very sparing of shots of the immediate family in the cortège - I wonder if (understandably) they asked for a little privacy?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,397

    nico679 said:

    Many in the procession still have the ER insignia . So will this no longer be the case from tomorrow .

    I think they need to design the C III R insignia still, and Charles has authorised the E II R insignia to continue to be used in the meantime. It was part of the Privy Council proclamation ceremony that they did.
    Along with authorising the use of the various seals including the Great Seal until new ones are made, which I would guess will take a couple of months.
  • Dynamo said:

    Cyclefree said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    SeanT said:

    The Funeral of Prince Andrew, after this, is going to be like Police Academy 5

    He doesn't deserve a funeral, it's sickening he's been given any praise or publicity during this whole thing.
    Publicity yes, praise no. His tribute to HMQ gives us a new pretext to loathe, despise and ridicule him.

    "Mummy"

    Thanks for the £12m.

    https://news.sky.com/story/duke-of-york-pays-tribute-to-the-queen-12700540
    He shouldn't even be in the Royal Family, he should have been removed from it.
    Well he has been, that's why he's not in military uniform unlike the others.

    He's still at his mother's funeral though. Can't be stripped of that.
    Charles called her Mummy too.

    But really take a good hard look at yourself. He is a grieving son. Not a working Royal. Your unkind remarks at such a time about a man in mourning - like the unkind remarks people make about the Sussexes or others - say more about those making the remarks (and not in a good way) than about the targets.

    A bit of common politeness would not go amiss. And if you can't be polite, try silence. Good manners cost nothing.
    This isn't a funeral. It's a c***s' carnival, a big show of power using splendour and religion and pomp.
    The family could have decided to hold only a private funeral, and to pay for it out of their own pockets. Grieve for the old bag. Bury or cremate her carcass. Few anti-royalists would have much of a problem with that. But they don't, do they? They get their lackeys to talk about "the kingdom" and all that sh*t. Don't talk about manners. They're the rudest most vulgar scum in the country. Royalism is the apotheosis of exclusion and filthy manners, of all that is muck, worthless, surface, ludicrous, vomit, idiotic, with massive chips on its shoulders but you can't see that.
    Don't worry, when Putin accidentally falls out of a window next month, I'm sure your nation's funeral for him will be much more restrained and cut back.
    Lots of oiled muscular men on horseback and a bear in a tutu
    Odd to invite Boris Johnson over considering we didn't invite any Russians to this.
  • DriverDriver Posts: 4,963

    Huw Edwards is such a simpering wretch. A very annoying commentary. If only Murray Walker were still with us for his take on the events.

    From what people are saying, I'm surprised there's anyone left watching this on the BBC.

    Sky are doing a very good job to be fair. Not sure who the guy is doing the (very limited) commentary but he's judging it right IMO.
    I listened to Keane bringing the Queen out of the Abbey and he had just the right gravitas, before this idiot took over. Michael Mates' son was on ITV, and he was better than Edwards.
    Did a double take there, had to wonder what "Somewhere Only We Know" or "Bedshaped" had to do with anything...
  • SeanTSeanT Posts: 549
    MattW said:

    TimS said:

    Watching as the trumpets play and the organ chimes in, and then the bagpipes start sounding I’m struck by how exotic Britain is.

    It’s easy to imagine yourself a foreign viewer today wondering at the sheer differentness of this country and its national rituals.

    I'm not really convinced by that.

    Every country has their own ceremonial, often rooted in tradition, or reinvented versions of tradition.

    See for example, funeral ceremonies held in the Reichstag or the Requiem Mass for French Presidents.

    Or, for sheer differentness, try Chile with their pickelhaube and goosesteps inherited from the Prussian Military who retrained their armed forces more than a century ago. I think Sweden still do Pickelhaube.

    Or as DA pointed out the other day, the Greeks with their interesting ceremonial uniforms.

    New countries recreate their own, and to me that feels more incongruous than something developed from an historical tradition, which I put under the "life's rich tapestry" label.

    No, there is nothing like this anywhere in the world

    For a start, within living memory this monarch ruled 1/4 of humans and colonised others - especially in their heads. And this monarchy is 1400 years old

    This is the world if Imperial Japan married ancient Rome
  • DynamoDynamo Posts: 651
    kle4 said:

    TimS said:

    This really is impressive.

    I like the style of marching at events like this. Synchronised, but not excessively so in the self-parodic North Korean fashion. The French are good at that too.

    The weather has behaved impeccably.

    It might be the dramatic flourishes and perfection of NK style presentation that for some reason makes it seem a little unnatural, like there's no way even very well trained and choreographed troops should be so robotically in sync.
    Sure, the royalist British regime gets its ceremonial act just so right. Not too perfect, mind you. It's not like in North Korea where ceremonial training is technically better. And that's what makes it so natural. It's better than anything any parliamentary republic could possibly muster. It's a wonderful loveliness that brings together the splendid and the real. In every way, it's just right. Even when it's less than right, that's something that makes it even righter. Bravo. God save the king.

    Listen to yourself.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,269
    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Jonathan said:

    Is the airspace over London closed today? The security implications of today are mind boggling.

    Just looked - there is a NOTAM closing off airspace for the funeral. Plus another one warning that GPS jamming may be in use in the same area, so UAVs will have issues.
    GPS jamming? So if you opened Google Maps it wouldn't know where you are?

    How does that work, isn't your phone looking for a satellite in the sky? Fascinating.
    Hope it's ok with Big G if I answer this...

    They (the USA) use BFEA on the satellites to degrade the L1 C/A signal but M-Code (the US military signal) uses a different modulation type and is unaffected. The only people with functioning GNSS in this scenario right now are using Galileo, GLONASS or US sanctioned M-Code receivers.
    My iPhone would work then, it uses Galileo and GLONASS
    Not if the jamming of the frequencies used is local.
    Thought the point being made was that it's not, if it is then clearly yes makes sense. Thanks for the insight.

    My new iPhone is supposed to have much better GPS reception than previous, I will see next week, I am sure nobody cares :)
    There were several posts before this saying it could either be the satellite signal degraded, or the radio frequencies jammed locally. The latter seems much more likely.
    IIRC the use of satellite based degradation of accuracy was discontinued for GPS. The equipment for that was not added to the most recent generations of satellites. The US military relies on more local jamming - literally jamming the “open” signal data.

    As a couple of posters have mentioned, this is practised fairly often in training.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,568
    Looks quite warm out there. Hope Andrew doesn't start to sweat...
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,368
    MattW said:

    Ooops. I'm in trouble.

    Just reminded an #FBPE on Twitter that we left the EU because we voted to do so.

    :smile:

    Now is not the time.

    Just channelling my inner BigG
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061

    nico679 said:

    Many in the procession still have the ER insignia . So will this no longer be the case from tomorrow .

    There’s a lot to be changed - I expect it all will be by the Coronation.
    I belueve the official end comes with the breaking of the staff in the Windsor ceremony, then we really are post Elizabethan
  • paulyork64paulyork64 Posts: 2,507
    All lining up on parade at Wellington Arch. Love it.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,103
    edited September 2022
    Dynamo said:

    kle4 said:

    TimS said:

    This really is impressive.

    I like the style of marching at events like this. Synchronised, but not excessively so in the self-parodic North Korean fashion. The French are good at that too.

    The weather has behaved impeccably.

    It might be the dramatic flourishes and perfection of NK style presentation that for some reason makes it seem a little unnatural, like there's no way even very well trained and choreographed troops should be so robotically in sync.
    Sure, the royalist British regime gets its ceremonial act just so right. Not too perfect, mind you. It's not like in North Korea where ceremonial training is technically better. And that's what makes it so natural. It's better than anything any parliamentary republic could possibly muster. It's a wonderful loveliness that brings together the splendid and the real. In every way, it's just right. Even when it's less than right, that's something that makes it even righter. Bravo. God save the king.

    Listen to yourself.
    Before I listen to myself, perhaps you should read what I wrote first, rather than what you would like to pretend I wrote.

    You won't find that I said anything about it 'being better than anything any parliamentary republic could possibly muster'.

    In fact, it was in reply to a comment which said the French were also good at this sort of thing, and thus was implicitly in agreement with that point.

    And it was a comment specifically about style of marching (as was the comment I replied to), rather than the whole ceremonial procession and surrounding event. I was thinking in particular of ridiculously high leg movements in marching, like those India-Pakistan border guards.

    I've said it before, you need to try a little less hard with this stuff, you cannot just make up what people are saying and attack that.
  • paulyork64paulyork64 Posts: 2,507
    I'd like to see what's going on at the Abbey. But I guess that's for the highlights show later.
  • IshmaelZ said:

    £5 a head a year, some republican was whining the RF costs us.

    I feel I've had £5 worth this morning.

    But we could spend that on the NHS instead.
  • Dynamo said:

    Cyclefree said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    SeanT said:

    The Funeral of Prince Andrew, after this, is going to be like Police Academy 5

    He doesn't deserve a funeral, it's sickening he's been given any praise or publicity during this whole thing.
    Publicity yes, praise no. His tribute to HMQ gives us a new pretext to loathe, despise and ridicule him.

    "Mummy"

    Thanks for the £12m.

    https://news.sky.com/story/duke-of-york-pays-tribute-to-the-queen-12700540
    He shouldn't even be in the Royal Family, he should have been removed from it.
    Well he has been, that's why he's not in military uniform unlike the others.

    He's still at his mother's funeral though. Can't be stripped of that.
    Charles called her Mummy too.

    But really take a good hard look at yourself. He is a grieving son. Not a working Royal. Your unkind remarks at such a time about a man in mourning - like the unkind remarks people make about the Sussexes or others - say more about those making the remarks (and not in a good way) than about the targets.

    A bit of common politeness would not go amiss. And if you can't be polite, try silence. Good manners cost nothing.
    This isn't a funeral. It's a c***s' carnival, a big show of power using splendour and religion and pomp.
    The family could have decided to hold only a private funeral, and to pay for it out of their own pockets. Grieve for the old bag. Bury or cremate her carcass. Few anti-royalists would have much of a problem with that. But they don't, do they? They get their lackeys to talk about "the kingdom" and all that sh*t. Don't talk about manners. They're the rudest most vulgar scum in the country. Royalism is the apotheosis of exclusion and filthy manners, of all that is muck, worthless, surface, ludicrous, vomit, idiotic, with massive chips on its shoulders but you can't see that.
    Don't worry, when Putin accidentally falls out of a window next month, I'm sure your nation's funeral for him will be much more restrained and cut back.
    Why do you call this person a Russian troll when he's not said anything pro-Russia? Just because you don't like what he says.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,635
    edited September 2022
    Genuinely feel sorry for Andrew and Harry here.

    They actually fought in wars whereas Anne, Charles, and Edward didn’t fight in wars get to wear military uniforms they did not earn.
  • DriverDriver Posts: 4,963
    I'm actually having more trouble processing William as the Prince of Wales than Charles as the King.
  • MattW said:

    Ooops. I'm in trouble.

    Just reminded an #FBPE on Twitter that we left the EU because we voted to do so.

    :smile:

    I am sure Big G will be along to tell you off, or is it just me because he doesn't like my politics. Let's see
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,839

    I'd like to see what's going on at the Abbey. But I guess that's for the highlights show later.

    Anyone know why Biden was about 14 rows back behind the Polish PM? Surely the Royals have forgiven that little misunderstanding in 1777 by now.
  • MattW said:

    Ooops. I'm in trouble.

    Just reminded an #FBPE on Twitter that we left the EU because we voted to do so.

    :smile:

    Now is not the time.

    Just channelling my inner BigG
    Big G is such a Karen.
  • The Queen had the respect even of the anti-monarchists. Charles does not. So either he very quickly starts hacking away at the firm to make it fit for the fuure, or he will lose the people.
  • SeanT said:

    The trumpets! The trumpets!

    That descant was just fecking amazing. Really moving and uplifting.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,368

    Huw Edwards is such a simpering wretch. A very annoying commentary. If only Murray Walker were still with us for his take on the events.

    From what people are saying, I'm surprised there's anyone left watching this on the BBC.

    Sky are doing a very good job to be fair. Not sure who the guy is doing the (very limited) commentary but he's judging it right IMO.
    I've turned to ITV. It is significantly more subdued. Defund the BBC.
  • DriverDriver Posts: 4,963

    IshmaelZ said:

    £5 a head a year, some republican was whining the RF costs us.

    I feel I've had £5 worth this morning.

    But we could spend that on the NHS instead.
    The NHS wouldn't get anywhere near this amount of value out of £5.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,397
    Impressive in its own way that even when there's no traffic they're still going the right way round the roundabout even though it's three times as far!
  • Dynamo said:

    Cyclefree said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    SeanT said:

    The Funeral of Prince Andrew, after this, is going to be like Police Academy 5

    He doesn't deserve a funeral, it's sickening he's been given any praise or publicity during this whole thing.
    Publicity yes, praise no. His tribute to HMQ gives us a new pretext to loathe, despise and ridicule him.

    "Mummy"

    Thanks for the £12m.

    https://news.sky.com/story/duke-of-york-pays-tribute-to-the-queen-12700540
    He shouldn't even be in the Royal Family, he should have been removed from it.
    Well he has been, that's why he's not in military uniform unlike the others.

    He's still at his mother's funeral though. Can't be stripped of that.
    Charles called her Mummy too.

    But really take a good hard look at yourself. He is a grieving son. Not a working Royal. Your unkind remarks at such a time about a man in mourning - like the unkind remarks people make about the Sussexes or others - say more about those making the remarks (and not in a good way) than about the targets.

    A bit of common politeness would not go amiss. And if you can't be polite, try silence. Good manners cost nothing.
    This isn't a funeral. It's a c***s' carnival, a big show of power using splendour and religion and pomp.
    The family could have decided to hold only a private funeral, and to pay for it out of their own pockets. Grieve for the old bag. Bury or cremate her carcass. Few anti-royalists would have much of a problem with that. But they don't, do they? They get their lackeys to talk about "the kingdom" and all that sh*t. Don't talk about manners. They're the rudest most vulgar scum in the country. Royalism is the apotheosis of exclusion and filthy manners, of all that is muck, worthless, surface, ludicrous, vomit, idiotic, with massive chips on its shoulders but you can't see that.
    Don't worry, when Putin accidentally falls out of a window next month, I'm sure your nation's funeral for him will be much more restrained and cut back.
    Why do you call this person a Russian troll when he's not said anything pro-Russia? Just because you don't like what he says.
    Because he's the latest in a string of Russian trolls, with a very distinctive style. Like one of his nation's nesting dolls, there'll be another along soon no doubt.
  • SeanTSeanT Posts: 549
    Alistair said:

    SeanT said:

    Cyclefree said:

    I find the marching before and after even more impressive to be honest.

    Right to the end The Queen was thinking: what is good for the United Kingdom?

    THIS

    I genuinely wonder if she died in Scotland *to reinforce the union*

    Seriously. She must have known she was close. So why not make the final act of her life a way of reinforcing the UK?

    What a woman

    *bows head*
    Absolutely heaving at the big screen in Edinburgh

    https://twitter.com/julietdunlop/status/1571770922037657603
    Holyrood just now



  • Today has been an amazing spectacle even the most cynical should accept and it has shown our country at its best

    I expect it has benefitted the monarchy and the union

    The coronation next year will be another spectacular event
  • Dynamo said:

    Cyclefree said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    SeanT said:

    The Funeral of Prince Andrew, after this, is going to be like Police Academy 5

    He doesn't deserve a funeral, it's sickening he's been given any praise or publicity during this whole thing.
    Publicity yes, praise no. His tribute to HMQ gives us a new pretext to loathe, despise and ridicule him.

    "Mummy"

    Thanks for the £12m.

    https://news.sky.com/story/duke-of-york-pays-tribute-to-the-queen-12700540
    He shouldn't even be in the Royal Family, he should have been removed from it.
    Well he has been, that's why he's not in military uniform unlike the others.

    He's still at his mother's funeral though. Can't be stripped of that.
    Charles called her Mummy too.

    But really take a good hard look at yourself. He is a grieving son. Not a working Royal. Your unkind remarks at such a time about a man in mourning - like the unkind remarks people make about the Sussexes or others - say more about those making the remarks (and not in a good way) than about the targets.

    A bit of common politeness would not go amiss. And if you can't be polite, try silence. Good manners cost nothing.
    This isn't a funeral. It's a c***s' carnival, a big show of power using splendour and religion and pomp.
    The family could have decided to hold only a private funeral, and to pay for it out of their own pockets. Grieve for the old bag. Bury or cremate her carcass. Few anti-royalists would have much of a problem with that. But they don't, do they? They get their lackeys to talk about "the kingdom" and all that sh*t. Don't talk about manners. They're the rudest most vulgar scum in the country. Royalism is the apotheosis of exclusion and filthy manners, of all that is muck, worthless, surface, ludicrous, vomit, idiotic, with massive chips on its shoulders but you can't see that.
    Don't worry, when Putin accidentally falls out of a window next month, I'm sure your nation's funeral for him will be much more restrained and cut back.
    Why do you call this person a Russian troll when he's not said anything pro-Russia? Just because you don't like what he says.
    Because he's the latest in a string of Russian trolls, with a very distinctive style. Like one of his nation's nesting dolls, there'll be another along soon no doubt.
    What has he said that is pro Russia?

    He doesn't like the monarchy, you don't like the monarchy. Are you a Russian troll?
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,839
    ydoethur said:

    Impressive in its own way that even when there's no traffic they're still going the right way round the roundabout even though it's three times as far!

    The choreography of this is incredible.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 8,671
    edited September 2022
    ydoethur said:

    Impressive in its own way that even when there's no traffic they're still going the right way round the roundabout even though it's three times as far!

    Hope they indicate at their exit. People who don't do this annoy the shit out of me (especially if I've had to come to a halt on my bike).
  • Today has been an amazing spectacle even the most cynical should accept and it has shown our country at its best

    I expect it has benefitted the monarchy and the union

    The coronation next year will be another spectacular event

    Why? Why do people have to accept what you want them to? Isn't this something you are opposed to?

    I think it's been a rather nice ceremony but it doesn't mean people should have to accept it just because you do.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,103
    IshmaelZ said:

    £5 a head a year, some republican was whining the RF costs us.

    I feel I've had £5 worth this morning.

    I really need to know the costs for presidential ceremony and protection before I formed a view on a 'cost effective' Head of State argument. I'd assume it would be less, as a bit fewer ceremonies and not as many people involved, but some elected Heads of State are very extravagant indeed, with the palaces and personal guards etc.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    edited September 2022
    Top stories on The Straits Times:

    https://www.straitstimes.com/global




    Singapore became a republic nearly 60 years ago.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,397
    kle4 said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    £5 a head a year, some republican was whining the RF costs us.

    I feel I've had £5 worth this morning.

    I really need to know the costs for presidential ceremony and protection before I formed a view on a 'cost effective' Head of State argument. I'd assume it would be less, as a bit fewer ceremonies and not as many people involved, but some elected Heads of State are very extravagant indeed, with the palaces and personal guards etc.
    Might be more, depending on what happened to the Crown Estates and the Duchies of Lancaster and Cornwall.

    Equally, it would only be one family, not an extended one.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    Dynamo said:

    kle4 said:

    TimS said:

    This really is impressive.

    I like the style of marching at events like this. Synchronised, but not excessively so in the self-parodic North Korean fashion. The French are good at that too.

    The weather has behaved impeccably.

    It might be the dramatic flourishes and perfection of NK style presentation that for some reason makes it seem a little unnatural, like there's no way even very well trained and choreographed troops should be so robotically in sync.
    Sure, the royalist British regime gets its ceremonial act just so right. Not too perfect, mind you. It's not like in North Korea where ceremonial training is technically better. And that's what makes it so natural. It's better than anything any parliamentary republic could possibly muster. It's a wonderful loveliness that brings together the splendid and the real. In every way, it's just right. Even when it's less than right, that's something that makes it even righter. Bravo. God save the king.

    Listen to yourself.
    Her Majesty's life was one of unremitting SERVICE, do you hear?

    Unrelatedly, she gave royal warrants to Dubonnet, Bacardi (for Martini Vermouth), Gordon's gin, Berry Bros & Rudd, and SEVEN Champagne houses – Bollinger, Mumm, Krug, Lanson, Roederer, Moët & Chandon and Veuve Clicquot.

    Austerity.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,969
    edited September 2022

    Today has been an amazing spectacle even the most cynical should accept and it has shown our country at its best

    I expect it has benefitted the monarchy and the union

    The coronation next year will be another spectacular event

    It will but it will not be on this scale, certainly not globally. Nor on the scale of the Queen's own coronation in 1953.

    She was truly our last imperial monarch. Charles, William and George will be monarchs more in the style of the Scandinavian, Dutch and Spanish monarchies
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,368

    Genuinely feel sorry for Andrew and Harry here.

    They actually fought in wars whereas Anne, Charles, and Edward didn’t fight in wars get to wear military uniforms they did not earn.

    Charles hated his service and couldn't wait to leave and Edward left after 5 minutes to be "really useful".
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,930

    Today has been an amazing spectacle even the most cynical should accept and it has shown our country at its best

    I expect it has benefitted the monarchy and the union

    The coronation next year will be another spectacular event

    Why? Why do people have to accept what you want them to? Isn't this something you are opposed to?

    I think it's been a rather nice ceremony but it doesn't mean people should have to accept it just because you do.
    I interpreted that as it is likely the most cynical will accept, not that they must accept.
  • People think King Charles' security officer has a gun disguised as an umbrella

    King Charles' viral bodyguard has been compared to a Kingsman character

    http://www.ladbible.com/news/king-charles-security-gun-disguised-umbrella-20220918
  • IshmaelZ said:

    Dynamo said:

    kle4 said:

    TimS said:

    This really is impressive.

    I like the style of marching at events like this. Synchronised, but not excessively so in the self-parodic North Korean fashion. The French are good at that too.

    The weather has behaved impeccably.

    It might be the dramatic flourishes and perfection of NK style presentation that for some reason makes it seem a little unnatural, like there's no way even very well trained and choreographed troops should be so robotically in sync.
    Sure, the royalist British regime gets its ceremonial act just so right. Not too perfect, mind you. It's not like in North Korea where ceremonial training is technically better. And that's what makes it so natural. It's better than anything any parliamentary republic could possibly muster. It's a wonderful loveliness that brings together the splendid and the real. In every way, it's just right. Even when it's less than right, that's something that makes it even righter. Bravo. God save the king.

    Listen to yourself.
    Her Majesty's life was one of unremitting SERVICE, do you hear?

    Unrelatedly, she gave royal warrants to Dubonnet, Bacardi (for Martini Vermouth), Gordon's gin, Berry Bros & Rudd, and SEVEN Champagne houses – Bollinger, Mumm, Krug, Lanson, Roederer, Moët & Chandon and Veuve Clicquot.

    Austerity.
    Ishmael you are such a fascinating poster.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,103
    edited September 2022
    IshmaelZ said:

    Dynamo said:

    kle4 said:

    TimS said:

    This really is impressive.

    I like the style of marching at events like this. Synchronised, but not excessively so in the self-parodic North Korean fashion. The French are good at that too.

    The weather has behaved impeccably.

    It might be the dramatic flourishes and perfection of NK style presentation that for some reason makes it seem a little unnatural, like there's no way even very well trained and choreographed troops should be so robotically in sync.
    Sure, the royalist British regime gets its ceremonial act just so right. Not too perfect, mind you. It's not like in North Korea where ceremonial training is technically better. And that's what makes it so natural. It's better than anything any parliamentary republic could possibly muster. It's a wonderful loveliness that brings together the splendid and the real. In every way, it's just right. Even when it's less than right, that's something that makes it even righter. Bravo. God save the king.

    Listen to yourself.
    Her Majesty's life was one of unremitting SERVICE, do you hear?

    Unrelatedly, she gave royal warrants to Dubonnet, Bacardi (for Martini Vermouth), Gordon's gin, Berry Bros & Rudd, and SEVEN Champagne houses – Bollinger, Mumm, Krug, Lanson, Roederer, Moët & Chandon and Veuve Clicquot.

    Austerity.
    Service is a lot easier to do if you are gently sloshed. Based on Dura Ace's stories about the armed forces that might be literally true for much of them.
  • DynamoDynamo Posts: 651
    edited September 2022

    Scott_xP said:

    Each toll of the bell underpinned by the sub-bass thud of the gun salute.

    It's sublime

    It's perfect.

    Also, how they went under the arch into Horseguard with inches to spare on either side, but in perfect time and precision.
    Her His Majesty's United Kingdom - most of its citizens subjects are in huge debt from when they're 18 until they're about 50, Oxford Street has to call in "American Candy Stores" because it's better than having everything boarded up, 454 British lives were lost fighting an unwinnable 20 year war in Afghanistan (from which they couldn't even manage to withdraw in good order), but f*ck, can that kingdom wheel a coffin underneath an arch!
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,368

    Today has been an amazing spectacle even the most cynical should accept and it has shown our country at its best

    I expect it has benefitted the monarchy and the union

    The coronation next year will be another spectacular event

    G. No one does pomp and circumstance like we do.

    Hats off!

    We can check the invoice later.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 8,671
    edited September 2022
    Have they missed another trick by not shifting her up to Windsor by boat, like Churchill (and monarchs of old)?

    The whole transport thing reflects our car + flying obsessed culture.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,969

    Genuinely feel sorry for Andrew and Harry here.

    They actually fought in wars whereas Anne, Charles, and Edward didn’t fight in wars get to wear military uniforms they did not earn.

    TSE pities Prince Andrew, a first. Though I agree with the sentiment but both Harry and Andrew no longer working royals or heads of regiments
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 21,994
    edited September 2022

    Genuinely feel sorry for Andrew and Harry here.

    They actually fought in wars whereas Anne, Charles, and Edward didn’t fight in wars get to wear military uniforms they did not earn.

    Apparently the reason for this is that the serving Royals are formally at least 'active' in the military, which is why they get to wear the uniform. Whereas Harry and Andrew despite being veterans, no longer are, so they are not entitled to do so.

    It is a bit ironic though.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,103
    Dynamo said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Each toll of the bell underpinned by the sub-bass thud of the gun salute.

    It's sublime

    It's perfect.

    Also, how they went under the arch into Horseguard with inches to spare on either side, but in perfect time and precision.
    His Majesty's United Kingdom - most of its citizens subjects are in huge debt from when they're 18 until they're about 50, Oxford Street has to call in "American Candy Stores" because it's better than having everything boarded up, 454 British lives were lost fighting an unwinnable 20 year war in Afghanistan, but f*ck, can that kingdom wheel a coffin underneath an arch!
    Eh, it's not perfect, but there's much worse off in this world, I try to be cheerful.
  • Today has been an amazing spectacle even the most cynical should accept and it has shown our country at its best

    I expect it has benefitted the monarchy and the union

    The coronation next year will be another spectacular event

    G. No one does pomp and circumstance like we do.

    Hats off!

    We can check the invoice later.
    The showcasing of the UK across the globe today should see a big boost to tourism especially to London
  • Genuinely feel sorry for Andrew and Harry here.

    They actually fought in wars whereas Anne, Charles, and Edward didn’t fight in wars get to wear military uniforms they did not earn.

    Lots of people fought in wars and no longer have the right to wear uniform. Anyway, hasn't Andrew rather disgraced himself with his exploits?
  • jonny83jonny83 Posts: 1,270

    The Queen had the respect even of the anti-monarchists. Charles does not. So either he very quickly starts hacking away at the firm to make it fit for the fuure, or he will lose the people.

    I suspect he is fully aware of this and knows the challenge ahead. One of his ideas is a more slimmed down Monarchy for example.
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