I REALLY want to see Biden and Macron sing “God Save the King”
Honestly not sure of the etiquette of singing someone else's anthem. Obviously Heads of State and government probably shouldn't, but if you are in a crowd somewhere singing Star Spangled Banner should you join in?
Yes, to show respect.
EDIT: Unless you don't know the words of course.
There is also actually a very good reason not to sing the American national anthem - it's actually bloody difficult to sing. Lots of high notes and complicated jumps.
That's why it's usually sung by a soloist while everyone listens.
Like the Marseillaise, great tune but hard to sing, though not as hard as the Italian one. German anthem is pretty easy and in a nice middle register most of the time.
The Spanish national anthem makes it rather easy on people.
Watching as the trumpets play and the organ chimes in, and then the bagpipes start sounding I’m struck by how exotic Britain is.
It’s easy to imagine yourself a foreign viewer today wondering at the sheer differentness of this country and its national rituals.
Good for the tourism industry.
The true flavour of Britain is in its wacky local traditions, recent or historical. Take a foreign visitor to the cheese rolling I say.
I remember a French colleague talking about how exotic England seemed when they first visited on a school exchange. The driving on the left, the road signs, the pubs, the weird food, the leafy suburbs with their houses that look vaguely Flemish but yet different.
At least it is not a Catholic funeral, people are setting up to leave already. Catholics would have been there for another good hour. Never waste a good audience, as Paul undoubtedly said.
It is very impressive.
And stately.
I hope though the private internment is a little more human.
This is about the Queen. That will - for the family's sake - be about the person.
Catholic funeral Masses - to me anyway - combine the personal and religious very well. But each to their own. So long as it provides comfort to those grieving, that's what matters.
Why wasn't there the Last Post we get on Remembrance Sunday?
Is the airspace over London closed today? The security implications of today are mind boggling.
Just looked - there is a NOTAM closing off airspace for the funeral. Plus another one warning that GPS jamming may be in use in the same area, so UAVs will have issues.
GPS jamming? So if you opened Google Maps it wouldn't know where you are?
How does that work, isn't your phone looking for a satellite in the sky? Fascinating.
Hope it's ok with Big G if I answer this...
They (the USA) use BFEA on the satellites to degrade the L1 C/A signal but M-Code (the US military signal) uses a different modulation type and is unaffected. The only people with functioning GNSS in this scenario right now are using Galileo, GLONASS or US sanctioned M-Code receivers.
Urrm, how do you know they are using that capability to degrade the signals? AS you mention, it's pretty effing pointless if the malign device uses one of the other GNSS systems.
I'd bet they're just jamming/spoofing the relevant frequencies, which does not require US/EU/Chinese/Russian help and is (apparently) *much* easier and more effective.
Perhaps anyone on the ground with a multi-GNSS system (e.g. some phones or handheld GPS) where the individual GNSSs can be turned off could do a test....
Has anyone else been contacted by their energy supplier to inform of their new tariff. Octopus Energy has told me my direct debit payment will be lowered by 43% from October.
• The Government have announced a 2 year Energy Price Guarantee, capping the increase in prices to £2,500 for a typical home • The £400 energy bill support scheme will also go ahead with monthly payments from October to March • This combination of a reduced cap and winter credits means while some unit rates will rise around 30%, typical annual costs will increase less than 10% • These discounts will be applied automatically: you don't need to do anything • Your new unit rates will match the Energy Price Guarantee, but your Octopus standing charges will be 4% lower – so you will be saving compared to Energy Price Guarantee rates from October 1 • We're not adjusting monthly payments yet for the new prices. We'll review your payments in the coming weeks and send you a recommendation should they need adjusting • However from October to March your payments will be reduced by £ XX [ENDATED], as part of the Energy Bill Support Scheme • We're working hard to help those who need it most this winter. Details below
Well done Liz!!
Thank you Mr Kwartang.
Actually I believe that everyone is to receive a personal energy statement on similar lines before the 1st October
I too am with Octopus and quite impressed. They are stopping some forms of advertising and putting the savings into a hardship fund in order to spend standing charges for 6 months for some vulnerable customers.
It is no great thank you to Ms Truss though, we will be paying off the resultant debt in other forms
Again she will get the credit.
She certainly is paying it on credit.
If you don't want that, don't ask for Government expenditure.
One of the key reasons you detested Brown was his propensity to borrow out of trouble. Why is it OK now?
Asking for a friend.
Borrowing countercyclically is not something I've ever criticised Brown for actually.
I detest Brown for his propensity to borrow in the 'good times'. He took our budget surplus we had in 2002 and maxed out the deficit before the recession even hit, that's all I've ever criticised him for. Well that, and ending Bank of England oversight over the Banks.
Increasing borrowing during a recession is inevitable. Increasing borrowing before the recession is where madness lay.
Average structural fiscal deficit as % GDP:
1981-1996 3.6%* 1997-2010 2.9% 2011-2022 3.2%.
* IMF WEO data not available for 1979-80.
I think you’ve cut your data
IIRC the first couple of years of Blair’s government they stuck to Clarke’s plans… they were starting from a very good place which would help the average.
How about looking at 2001-8 or 2001-10?
In 2002 the fiscal situation was very, very good. There is no disputing that.
The issue is what Brown did from 2002 to 2007/08. He turned the spending caps on full blast in that time, even with taxes going up, so there was nowhere left to move then when the recession inevitably hit.
Brown was OK when he was the self-styled "Iron Chancellor" following Clarke's plans until 2002. It was after then that he trashed the economy. Averages that incorporate upto 2002 are entirely misleading or wilfully failing to understand what the problem was.
I REALLY want to see Biden and Macron sing “God Save the King”
Honestly not sure of the etiquette of singing someone else's anthem. Obviously Heads of State and government probably shouldn't, but if you are in a crowd somewhere singing Star Spangled Banner should you join in?
Yes, to show respect.
EDIT: Unless you don't know the words of course.
No, thats why footballers etc don't sing each others anthems.
That's a bit different when they're on stage like that, as opposed to being in a congregation.
When I was a kid at school in Australia I used to sing Advanced Australia Fare when it was done during school services, despite being the POME Bastard of the class. I was taught by my dad, and I agree, that its a matter of showing respect. Like taking your shoes off if someone asks you to do so.
Im of the opinion you stand in respect, not sing. Australia, as a Commonwealth realm is a bit different imo I would never sing The Star Spangled Banner or the Marseillaise but I'd stand whilst Americans and French did
We saluted the WE at 'Colours' every morning in the Navy but foreign personnel did not.
In the USN they salute from the first note of the anthem to the last when it's played at Colors. If there is a foreign warship in formation they play that anthem as well and they salute from the first to the last note of that too. Saluting your way through the Egyptian anthem is grim when you've been up all night and all you want is your breakfast.
At least it is not a Catholic funeral, people are setting up to leave already. Catholics would have been there for another good hour. Never waste a good audience, as Paul undoubtedly said.
It is very impressive.
And stately.
I hope though the private internment is a little more human.
This is about the Queen. That will - for the family's sake - be about the person.
Catholic funeral Masses - to me anyway - combine the personal and religious very well. But each to their own. So long as it provides comfort to those grieving, that's what matters.
Why wasn't there the Last Post we get on Remembrance Sunday?
Think that is still to come. But, according to the BBC the actual internment is at 7.30 pm in Windsor and is private for the family only. My recollection is that Philip is being interred at the same time, together. A great love story, really.
Is it just me, or was that not as sombre and dark as this might have been. I found that positive and light compared to the black and white films of past state funerals.
It isn't just you. It was a moving service in many ways, but I didn't find it mournful. That may of course be because of her age. Yes, we will miss her, but as I said at the time I think given the choice she would have chosen the way her life ended and she was 96. Being too sombre would be a bit jarring.
Besides, to a believer, the whole point is that death has a chunk of joy attached.
At least it is not a Catholic funeral, people are setting up to leave already. Catholics would have been there for another good hour. Never waste a good audience, as Paul undoubtedly said.
It is very impressive.
And stately.
I hope though the private internment is a little more human.
This is about the Queen. That will - for the family's sake - be about the person.
Catholic funeral Masses - to me anyway - combine the personal and religious very well. But each to their own. So long as it provides comfort to those grieving, that's what matters.
Why wasn't there the Last Post we get on Remembrance Sunday?
Think that is still to come. But, according to the BBC the actual internment is at 7.30 pm in Windsor and is private for the family only. My recollection is that Philip is being interred at the same time, together. A great love story, really.
He shouldn't even be in the Royal Family, he should have been removed from it.
Well he has been, that's why he's not in military uniform unlike the others.
He's still at his mother's funeral though. Can't be stripped of that.
He's still Prince Andrew. That should be taken away.
Charles is apparently trying to get the government to change the law so he is no longer a counsellor of state.
It would be a very sensible measure from all points of view and consistent with his reform of the monarchy.
If the CoS were the consort, the heir, the heir's consort and then up to any other three members of the RF nominated by the Sovereign it would make everything much easier.
At least it is not a Catholic funeral, people are setting up to leave already. Catholics would have been there for another good hour. Never waste a good audience, as Paul undoubtedly said.
It is very impressive.
And stately.
I hope though the private internment is a little more human.
This is about the Queen. That will - for the family's sake - be about the person.
Catholic funeral Masses - to me anyway - combine the personal and religious very well. But each to their own. So long as it provides comfort to those grieving, that's what matters.
Why wasn't there the Last Post we get on Remembrance Sunday?
Think that is still to come. But, according to the BBC the actual internment is at 7.30 pm in Windsor and is private for the family only. My recollection is that Philip is being interred at the same time, together. A great love story, really.
Pedantic, but you can't intern dead monarchs without trial. Interment.
At least it is not a Catholic funeral, people are setting up to leave already. Catholics would have been there for another good hour. Never waste a good audience, as Paul undoubtedly said.
It is very impressive.
And stately.
I hope though the private internment is a little more human.
This is about the Queen. That will - for the family's sake - be about the person.
Catholic funeral Masses - to me anyway - combine the personal and religious very well. But each to their own. So long as it provides comfort to those grieving, that's what matters.
Why wasn't there the Last Post we get on Remembrance Sunday?
Think that is still to come. But, according to the BBC the actual internment is at 7.30 pm in Windsor and is private for the family only. My recollection is that Philip is being interred at the same time, together. A great love story, really.
At least it is not a Catholic funeral, people are setting up to leave already. Catholics would have been there for another good hour. Never waste a good audience, as Paul undoubtedly said.
It is very impressive.
And stately.
I hope though the private internment is a little more human.
This is about the Queen. That will - for the family's sake - be about the person.
Catholic funeral Masses - to me anyway - combine the personal and religious very well. But each to their own. So long as it provides comfort to those grieving, that's what matters.
Why wasn't there the Last Post we get on Remembrance Sunday?
Think that is still to come. But, according to the BBC the actual internment is at 7.30 pm in Windsor and is private for the family only. My recollection is that Philip is being interred at the same time, together. A great love story, really.
Philip's not been interred yet?
That sounds a bit grim.
Partners are often reinterred on the second death, my Nan was reinterred with Grandad when he died
It's very, very religious for a quite not religious country. All this shall be received into the grace and glory of the lord and entry into his kingdom, lord this, lord that, I mean I know it has to happen but I would have thought it won't do a huge amount to help the relevance of a modern monarchy.
The opposite. A Roman Catholic and Church of Scotland Cardinal and Minister also gave prayers, not just C of E representing the full UK.
Also a black pentecostal preacher said a prayer, reflecting the fact that Black British in particular are much more proactively Christian than White British and that wlll help the monarchy with ethnic minority communities and the wider Commonwealth in Africa and the Caribbean especially
Is the airspace over London closed today? The security implications of today are mind boggling.
Just looked - there is a NOTAM closing off airspace for the funeral. Plus another one warning that GPS jamming may be in use in the same area, so UAVs will have issues.
GPS jamming? So if you opened Google Maps it wouldn't know where you are?
How does that work, isn't your phone looking for a satellite in the sky? Fascinating.
Hope it's ok with Big G if I answer this...
They (the USA) use BFEA on the satellites to degrade the L1 C/A signal but M-Code (the US military signal) uses a different modulation type and is unaffected. The only people with functioning GNSS in this scenario right now are using Galileo, GLONASS or US sanctioned M-Code receivers.
Urrm, how do you know they are using that capability to degrade the signals? AS you mention, it's pretty effing pointless if the malign device uses one of the other GNSS systems.
BFEA is for use on "friends" not enemies. Hence the 'B'. Blue Force Electronic Attack.
It means users of US equipment get exactly as much navigation data as the US wants them to have.
RFEA of other jurisdictional GNSS would use jamming or spoofing from an EW platform.
At least it is not a Catholic funeral, people are setting up to leave already. Catholics would have been there for another good hour. Never waste a good audience, as Paul undoubtedly said.
It is very impressive.
And stately.
I hope though the private internment is a little more human.
This is about the Queen. That will - for the family's sake - be about the person.
Catholic funeral Masses - to me anyway - combine the personal and religious very well. But each to their own. So long as it provides comfort to those grieving, that's what matters.
Why wasn't there the Last Post we get on Remembrance Sunday?
Think that is still to come. But, according to the BBC the actual internment is at 7.30 pm in Windsor and is private for the family only. My recollection is that Philip is being interred at the same time, together. A great love story, really.
Pedantic, but you can't intern dead monarchs without trial. Interment.
I can plead autotext or simply admit to a spelling error. I will go with the latter I think.
The Palace reportedly asked the Prince and Princess of Wales to consider bringing Prince George because of the message it sends to the public, as he is the future king
William and Kate are understood to have thought “very carefully” about how much to involve their children
Lovely, using a child for PR opportunities.
George is our future King, it was right he was there
The Palace reportedly asked the Prince and Princess of Wales to consider bringing Prince George because of the message it sends to the public, as he is the future king
William and Kate are understood to have thought “very carefully” about how much to involve their children
Lovely, using a child for PR opportunities.
George is our future King, it was right he was there
It was also his great-grandmother's funeral, it is right that he was there.
Or to put it another way, I think they and he would later have regretted it if he hadn't been there.
Edit - and I think Charlotte was there too? Certainly she's in the cortège.
He shouldn't even be in the Royal Family, he should have been removed from it.
Well he has been, that's why he's not in military uniform unlike the others.
He's still at his mother's funeral though. Can't be stripped of that.
Charles called her Mummy too.
But really take a good hard look at yourself. He is a grieving son. Not a working Royal. Your unkind remarks at such a time about a man in mourning - like the unkind remarks people make about the Sussexes or others - say more about those making the remarks (and not in a good way) than about the targets.
A bit of common politeness would not go amiss. And if you can't be polite, try silence. Good manners cost nothing.
Canadian mounties leading. Australian and New Zealanders in dress in the procession. All put armed forces. Union flags adorning both sides of the Mall.
The Palace reportedly asked the Prince and Princess of Wales to consider bringing Prince George because of the message it sends to the public, as he is the future king
William and Kate are understood to have thought “very carefully” about how much to involve their children
Lovely, using a child for PR opportunities.
George is our future King, it was right he was there
If he hadn’t been there they would have been criticised for leaving him out.
Canadian mounties leading. Australian and New Zealanders in dress in the procession. All put armed forces. Union flags adorning both sides of the Mall.
These are Imperial scenes.
Fitting for our last Imperial Monarch and the last Monarch of the British Empire, now long gone
He shouldn't even be in the Royal Family, he should have been removed from it.
Well he has been, that's why he's not in military uniform unlike the others.
He's still at his mother's funeral though. Can't be stripped of that.
Charles called her Mummy too.
But really take a good hard look at yourself. He is a grieving son. Not a working Royal. Your unkind remarks at such a time about a man in mourning - like the unkind remarks people make about the Sussexes or others - say more about those making the remarks (and not in a good way) than about the targets.
A bit of common politeness would not go amiss. And if you can't be polite, try silence. Good manners cost nothing.
Are you talking to me? I was saying that too.
If you've got nothing nice to say, then say nothing at all. Especially when people are grieving.
Canadian mounties leading. Australian and New Zealanders in dress in the procession. All put armed forces. Union flags adorning both sides of the Mall.
The Palace reportedly asked the Prince and Princess of Wales to consider bringing Prince George because of the message it sends to the public, as he is the future king
William and Kate are understood to have thought “very carefully” about how much to involve their children
Lovely, using a child for PR opportunities.
George is our future King, it was right he was there
It was also his great-grandmother's funeral, it is right that he was there.
Or to put it another way, I think they and he would later have regretted it if he hadn't been there.
Edit - and I think Charlotte was there too? Certainly she's in the cortège.
Yes, George and Charlotte were both in the front row in the Abbey.
I like the procession saluting the Cenotaph as they go past it.
That and the casket being placed on the gun carriage at the start are the things that have moved me the most, and when the bagpipes started so did the tears.
He shouldn't even be in the Royal Family, he should have been removed from it.
Well he has been, that's why he's not in military uniform unlike the others.
He's still at his mother's funeral though. Can't be stripped of that.
Charles called her Mummy too.
But really take a good hard look at yourself. He is a grieving son. Not a working Royal. Your unkind remarks at such a time about a man in mourning - like the unkind remarks people make about the Sussexes or others - say more about those making the remarks (and not in a good way) than about the targets.
A bit of common politeness would not go amiss. And if you can't be polite, try silence. Good manners cost nothing.
That's where he got the idea, sure. Works better in some contexts than others.
He is an utterly repulsive creep whose presence puts the dignity of the whole funeral at risk. I very much hope that this is his last public appearance.
Is the airspace over London closed today? The security implications of today are mind boggling.
Just looked - there is a NOTAM closing off airspace for the funeral. Plus another one warning that GPS jamming may be in use in the same area, so UAVs will have issues.
GPS jamming? So if you opened Google Maps it wouldn't know where you are?
How does that work, isn't your phone looking for a satellite in the sky? Fascinating.
Hope it's ok with Big G if I answer this...
They (the USA) use BFEA on the satellites to degrade the L1 C/A signal but M-Code (the US military signal) uses a different modulation type and is unaffected. The only people with functioning GNSS in this scenario right now are using Galileo, GLONASS or US sanctioned M-Code receivers.
Urrm, how do you know they are using that capability to degrade the signals? AS you mention, it's pretty effing pointless if the malign device uses one of the other GNSS systems.
BFEA is for use on "friends" not enemies. Hence the 'B'. Blue Force Electronic Attack.
It means users of US equipment get exactly as much navigation data as the US wants them to have.
RFEA of other jurisdictional GNSS would use jamming or spoofing from an EW platform.
Yeah, and that's my point. Any malign actor would just use a multi-GNSS system (heck, even chip) such as Furuno's offerings and use the non-GPS system. Therefore to be effective, they need to block *all* GNSSs. And (AIUI) they are all in similar frequency bands within L-band for operational and legal (ITU) reasons, that's not as complicated as it could be.
He shouldn't even be in the Royal Family, he should have been removed from it.
Well he has been, that's why he's not in military uniform unlike the others.
He's still at his mother's funeral though. Can't be stripped of that.
Charles called her Mummy too.
But really take a good hard look at yourself. He is a grieving son. Not a working Royal. Your unkind remarks at such a time about a man in mourning - like the unkind remarks people make about the Sussexes or others - say more about those making the remarks (and not in a good way) than about the targets.
A bit of common politeness would not go amiss. And if you can't be polite, try silence. Good manners cost nothing.
The Palace reportedly asked the Prince and Princess of Wales to consider bringing Prince George because of the message it sends to the public, as he is the future king
William and Kate are understood to have thought “very carefully” about how much to involve their children
Lovely, using a child for PR opportunities.
George is our future King, it was right he was there
It was also his great-grandmother's funeral, it is right that he was there.
Or to put it another way, I think they and he would later have regretted it if he hadn't been there.
Edit - and I think Charlotte was there too? Certainly she's in the cortège.
Yes - she’s in the first car of the cortège with her brother, the Queen and the Princess of Wales.
Canadian mounties leading. Australian and New Zealanders in dress in the procession. All put armed forces. Union flags adorning both sides of the Mall.
The Palace reportedly asked the Prince and Princess of Wales to consider bringing Prince George because of the message it sends to the public, as he is the future king
William and Kate are understood to have thought “very carefully” about how much to involve their children
Lovely, using a child for PR opportunities.
George is our future King, it was right he was there
It was also his great-grandmother's funeral, it is right that he was there.
Or to put it another way, I think they and he would later have regretted it if he hadn't been there.
Edit - and I think Charlotte was there too? Certainly she's in the cortège.
Charlotte looks more like the young Queen than anyone else in the entire family.
He shouldn't even be in the Royal Family, he should have been removed from it.
Well he has been, that's why he's not in military uniform unlike the others.
He's still at his mother's funeral though. Can't be stripped of that.
Charles called her Mummy too.
But really take a good hard look at yourself. He is a grieving son. Not a working Royal. Your unkind remarks at such a time about a man in mourning - like the unkind remarks people make about the Sussexes or others - say more about those making the remarks (and not in a good way) than about the targets.
A bit of common politeness would not go amiss. And if you can't be polite, try silence. Good manners cost nothing.
I like the style of marching at events like this. Synchronised, but not excessively so in the self-parodic North Korean fashion. The French are good at that too.
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"Mummy"
Thanks for the £12m.
https://news.sky.com/story/duke-of-york-pays-tribute-to-the-queen-12700540
And stately.
I hope though the private internment is a little more human.
This is about the Queen. That will - for the family's sake - be about the person.
Catholic funeral Masses - to me anyway - combine the personal and religious very well. But each to their own. So long as it provides comfort to those grieving, that's what matters.
Why wasn't there the Last Post we get on Remembrance Sunday?
He's still at his mother's funeral though. Can't be stripped of that.
I'd bet they're just jamming/spoofing the relevant frequencies, which does not require US/EU/Chinese/Russian help and is (apparently) *much* easier and more effective.
Perhaps anyone on the ground with a multi-GNSS system (e.g. some phones or handheld GPS) where the individual GNSSs can be turned off could do a test....
Right down to the horsehair plumes, gently wafted by the faded September sun
In the USN they salute from the first note of the anthem to the last when it's played at Colors. If there is a foreign warship in formation they play that anthem as well and they salute from the first to the last note of that too. Saluting your way through the Egyptian anthem is grim when you've been up all night and all you want is your breakfast.
Not the end, but the start of the good bit.
That sounds a bit grim.
I believe they removed the traffic lights, but the road markings for the bike lanes do spoil it a bit.
If the CoS were the consort, the heir, the heir's consort and then up to any other three members of the RF nominated by the Sovereign it would make everything much easier.
Also a black pentecostal preacher said a prayer, reflecting the fact that Black British in particular are much more proactively Christian than White British and that wlll help the monarchy with ethnic minority communities and the wider Commonwealth in Africa and the Caribbean especially
THIS
I genuinely wonder if she died in Scotland *to reinforce the union*
Seriously. She must have known she was close. So why not make the final act of her life a way of reinforcing the UK?
What a woman
*bows head*
It means users of US equipment get exactly as much navigation data as the US wants them to have.
RFEA of other jurisdictional GNSS would use jamming or spoofing from an EW platform.
Or to put it another way, I think they and he would later have regretted it if he hadn't been there.
Edit - and I think Charlotte was there too? Certainly she's in the cortège.
But really take a good hard look at yourself. He is a grieving son. Not a working Royal. Your unkind remarks at such a time about a man in mourning - like the unkind remarks people make about the Sussexes or others - say more about those making the remarks (and not in a good way) than about the targets.
A bit of common politeness would not go amiss. And if you can't be polite, try silence. Good manners cost nothing.
These are Imperial scenes.
It's sublime
If you've got nothing nice to say, then say nothing at all. Especially when people are grieving.
God Save the King.
He is an utterly repulsive creep whose presence puts the dignity of the whole funeral at risk. I very much hope that this is his last public appearance.
He's welcome to grieve at a funeral, no issue with that. He shouldn't be a Prince, he shouldn't get any publicity.
But then, Philip did the same for Diana's coffin when he was 76. And he volunteered for that to support William and Harry.
At least that was what she paid up for it.
I've got no issue with him grieving at a funeral.
He shouldn't be a Prince and the publicity he's been given is insulting and sickening.
Not sure whether it is the element of somber finality to it all, or just that as an atheist it feels more meaningful to me than the service.
Also, how they went under the arch into Horseguard with inches to spare on either side, but in perfect time and precision.
I like the style of marching at events like this. Synchronised, but not excessively so in the self-parodic North Korean fashion. The French are good at that too.
The weather has behaved impeccably.