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  • Anyone watching it on one of the more interesting channels this has been imposed on? Babestation?
  • IshmaelZ said:

    SeanT said:

    The Funeral of Prince Andrew, after this, is going to be like Police Academy 5

    He doesn't deserve a funeral, it's sickening he's been given any praise or publicity during this whole thing.
    Publicity yes, praise no. His tribute to HMQ gives us a new pretext to loathe, despise and ridicule him.

    "Mummy"

    Thanks for the £12m.

    https://news.sky.com/story/duke-of-york-pays-tribute-to-the-queen-12700540
    He shouldn't even be in the Royal Family, he should have been removed from it.
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 9,050
    edited September 2022
    SeanT said:

    Michael Martin: BOW YOUR HEAD, you Fenian devil

    Not a sentiment the Queen ever showed in her actions, ofcourse. There's real respect for her in Ireland.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    Top tip: myrtle grows really, really easily from cuttings if anyone wants to duplicate that trick
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,269
    DavidL said:

    At least it is not a Catholic funeral, people are setting up to leave already. Catholics would have been there for another good hour. Never waste a good audience, as Paul undoubtedly said.

    It is very impressive.

    And stately.

    I hope though the private internment is a little more human.

    This is about the Queen. That will - for the family's sake - be about the person.

    Catholic funeral Masses - to me anyway - combine the personal and religious very well. But each to their own. So long as it provides comfort to those grieving, that's what matters.

    Why wasn't there the Last Post we get on Remembrance Sunday?
  • IshmaelZ said:

    SeanT said:

    The Funeral of Prince Andrew, after this, is going to be like Police Academy 5

    He doesn't deserve a funeral, it's sickening he's been given any praise or publicity during this whole thing.
    Publicity yes, praise no. His tribute to HMQ gives us a new pretext to loathe, despise and ridicule him.

    "Mummy"

    Thanks for the £12m.

    https://news.sky.com/story/duke-of-york-pays-tribute-to-the-queen-12700540
    He shouldn't even be in the Royal Family, he should have been removed from it.
    Well he has been, that's why he's not in military uniform unlike the others.

    He's still at his mother's funeral though. Can't be stripped of that.
  • Dura_Ace said:

    Jonathan said:

    Is the airspace over London closed today? The security implications of today are mind boggling.

    Just looked - there is a NOTAM closing off airspace for the funeral. Plus another one warning that GPS jamming may be in use in the same area, so UAVs will have issues.
    GPS jamming? So if you opened Google Maps it wouldn't know where you are?

    How does that work, isn't your phone looking for a satellite in the sky? Fascinating.
    Hope it's ok with Big G if I answer this...

    They (the USA) use BFEA on the satellites to degrade the L1 C/A signal but M-Code (the US military signal) uses a different modulation type and is unaffected. The only people with functioning GNSS in this scenario right now are using Galileo, GLONASS or US sanctioned M-Code receivers.
    Urrm, how do you know they are using that capability to degrade the signals? AS you mention, it's pretty effing pointless if the malign device uses one of the other GNSS systems.

    I'd bet they're just jamming/spoofing the relevant frequencies, which does not require US/EU/Chinese/Russian help and is (apparently) *much* easier and more effective.

    Perhaps anyone on the ground with a multi-GNSS system (e.g. some phones or handheld GPS) where the individual GNSSs can be turned off could do a test.... ;)
  • IshmaelZ said:

    SeanT said:

    The Funeral of Prince Andrew, after this, is going to be like Police Academy 5

    He doesn't deserve a funeral, it's sickening he's been given any praise or publicity during this whole thing.
    Publicity yes, praise no. His tribute to HMQ gives us a new pretext to loathe, despise and ridicule him.

    "Mummy"

    Thanks for the £12m.

    https://news.sky.com/story/duke-of-york-pays-tribute-to-the-queen-12700540
    He shouldn't even be in the Royal Family, he should have been removed from it.
    Well he has been, that's why he's not in military uniform unlike the others.

    He's still at his mother's funeral though. Can't be stripped of that.
    He's still Prince Andrew. That should be taken away.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,154
    Look at the way the diamonds are glinting. Just setting it all off perfectly.
  • FPT

    Carnyx said:

    vino said:

    Foxy said:

    vino said:

    Has anyone else been contacted by their energy supplier to inform of their new tariff. Octopus Energy has told me my direct debit payment will be lowered by 43% from October.

    • The Government have announced a 2 year Energy Price Guarantee, capping the increase in prices to £2,500 for a typical home
    • The £400 energy bill support scheme will also go ahead with monthly payments from October to March
    • This combination of a reduced cap and winter credits means while some unit rates will rise around 30%, typical annual costs will increase less than 10%
    • These discounts will be applied automatically: you don't need to do anything
    • Your new unit rates will match the Energy Price Guarantee, but your Octopus standing charges will be 4% lower – so you will be saving compared to Energy Price Guarantee rates from October 1
    • We're not adjusting monthly payments yet for the new prices. We'll review your payments in the coming weeks and send you a recommendation should they need adjusting
    • However from October to March your payments will be reduced by £ XX [ENDATED], as part of the Energy Bill Support Scheme
    • We're working hard to help those who need it most this winter. Details below

    Well done Liz!!

    Thank you Mr Kwartang.
    Actually I believe that everyone is to receive a personal energy statement on similar lines before the 1st October
    I too am with Octopus and quite impressed. They are stopping some forms of advertising and putting the savings into a hardship fund in order to spend standing charges for 6 months for some vulnerable customers.

    It is no great thank you to Ms Truss though, we will be paying off the resultant debt in other forms
    Again she will get the credit.
    She certainly is paying it on credit.
    If you don't want that, don't ask for Government expenditure.
    One of the key reasons you detested Brown was his propensity to borrow out of trouble. Why is it OK now?

    Asking for a friend.
    Borrowing countercyclically is not something I've ever criticised Brown for actually.

    I detest Brown for his propensity to borrow in the 'good times'. He took our budget surplus we had in 2002 and maxed out the deficit before the recession even hit, that's all I've ever criticised him for. Well that, and ending Bank of England oversight over the Banks.

    Increasing borrowing during a recession is inevitable. Increasing borrowing before the recession is where madness lay.
    Average structural fiscal deficit as % GDP:

    1981-1996 3.6%*
    1997-2010 2.9%
    2011-2022 3.2%.

    * IMF WEO data not available for 1979-80.
    I think you’ve cut your data

    IIRC the first couple of years of Blair’s government they stuck to Clarke’s plans… they were starting from a very good place which would help the average.

    How about looking at 2001-8 or 2001-10?
    In 2002 the fiscal situation was very, very good. There is no disputing that.

    The issue is what Brown did from 2002 to 2007/08. He turned the spending caps on full blast in that time, even with taxes going up, so there was nowhere left to move then when the recession inevitably hit.

    Brown was OK when he was the self-styled "Iron Chancellor" following Clarke's plans until 2002. It was after then that he trashed the economy. Averages that incorporate upto 2002 are entirely misleading or wilfully failing to understand what the problem was.
    I’m agreeing with you!
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,871

    IshmaelZ said:

    SeanT said:

    The Funeral of Prince Andrew, after this, is going to be like Police Academy 5

    He doesn't deserve a funeral, it's sickening he's been given any praise or publicity during this whole thing.
    Publicity yes, praise no. His tribute to HMQ gives us a new pretext to loathe, despise and ridicule him.

    "Mummy"

    Thanks for the £12m.

    https://news.sky.com/story/duke-of-york-pays-tribute-to-the-queen-12700540
    He shouldn't even be in the Royal Family, he should have been removed from it.
    Well he has been, that's why he's not in military uniform unlike the others.

    He's still at his mother's funeral though. Can't be stripped of that.
    He's still Prince Andrew. That should be taken away.
    Charles is apparently trying to get the government to change the law so he is no longer a counsellor of state.
  • SeanTSeanT Posts: 549
    It is an enormous free 70 minute advert for Visit Britain, watched by a billion people

    Right down to the horsehair plumes, gently wafted by the faded September sun
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 13,677

    kle4 said:

    SeanT said:

    I REALLY want to see Biden and Macron sing “God Save the King”

    Honestly not sure of the etiquette of singing someone else's anthem. Obviously Heads of State and government probably shouldn't, but if you are in a crowd somewhere singing Star Spangled Banner should you join in?
    Yes, to show respect.

    EDIT: Unless you don't know the words of course.
    No, thats why footballers etc don't sing each others anthems.

    That's a bit different when they're on stage like that, as opposed to being in a congregation.

    When I was a kid at school in Australia I used to sing Advanced Australia Fare when it was done during school services, despite being the POME Bastard of the class. I was taught by my dad, and I agree, that its a matter of showing respect. Like taking your shoes off if someone asks you to do so.
    Im of the opinion you stand in respect, not sing. Australia, as a Commonwealth realm is a bit different imo
    I would never sing The Star Spangled Banner or the Marseillaise but I'd stand whilst Americans and French did
    We saluted the WE at 'Colours' every morning in the Navy but foreign personnel did not.

    In the USN they salute from the first note of the anthem to the last when it's played at Colors. If there is a foreign warship in formation they play that anthem as well and they salute from the first to the last note of that too. Saluting your way through the Egyptian anthem is grim when you've been up all night and all you want is your breakfast.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,895
    Big Ben tolling during the funeral march is awesome
  • IshmaelZ said:

    Sky camerawork beats the shit out of BBC

    ETA actually it looks like its the same cameras, better curated by Sky

    On the web Sky is a long way in front of the BBC so be careful if you are betting in running.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,269

    Charles is a disgrace.

    He didn’t sing the national anthem.

    Like the Queen he never is so vulgar as to sing 'God Save Me'
  • Its really strange seeing the royal guardsmen (sorry I forget their title) holding their big black hats to the side rather than wearing them.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,037
    edited September 2022
    kle4 said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    SeanT said:

    The Funeral of Prince Andrew, after this, is going to be like Police Academy 5

    He doesn't deserve a funeral, it's sickening he's been given any praise or publicity during this whole thing.
    Publicity yes, praise no. His tribute to HMQ gives us a new pretext to loathe, despise and ridicule him.

    "Mummy"

    Thanks for the £12m.

    https://news.sky.com/story/duke-of-york-pays-tribute-to-the-queen-12700540
    He shouldn't even be in the Royal Family, he should have been removed from it.
    Well he has been, that's why he's not in military uniform unlike the others.

    He's still at his mother's funeral though. Can't be stripped of that.
    He's still Prince Andrew. That should be taken away.
    Charles is apparently trying to get the government to change the law so he is no longer a counsellor of state.
    Also to remove Mr Markle and Big Eyes Beatrice from the role
  • kle4 said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    SeanT said:

    The Funeral of Prince Andrew, after this, is going to be like Police Academy 5

    He doesn't deserve a funeral, it's sickening he's been given any praise or publicity during this whole thing.
    Publicity yes, praise no. His tribute to HMQ gives us a new pretext to loathe, despise and ridicule him.

    "Mummy"

    Thanks for the £12m.

    https://news.sky.com/story/duke-of-york-pays-tribute-to-the-queen-12700540
    He shouldn't even be in the Royal Family, he should have been removed from it.
    Well he has been, that's why he's not in military uniform unlike the others.

    He's still at his mother's funeral though. Can't be stripped of that.
    He's still Prince Andrew. That should be taken away.
    Charles is apparently trying to get the government to change the law so he is no longer a counsellor of state.
    Good on Charles, go on son!
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,706
    Cyclefree said:

    DavidL said:

    At least it is not a Catholic funeral, people are setting up to leave already. Catholics would have been there for another good hour. Never waste a good audience, as Paul undoubtedly said.

    It is very impressive.

    And stately.

    I hope though the private internment is a little more human.

    This is about the Queen. That will - for the family's sake - be about the person.

    Catholic funeral Masses - to me anyway - combine the personal and religious very well. But each to their own. So long as it provides comfort to those grieving, that's what matters.

    Why wasn't there the Last Post we get on Remembrance Sunday?
    Think that is still to come. But, according to the BBC the actual internment is at 7.30 pm in Windsor and is private for the family only. My recollection is that Philip is being interred at the same time, together. A great love story, really.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,824
    Scott_xP said:

    Big Ben tolling during the funeral march is awesome

    I noticed that too, quite a distinctive sound.
  • Amusingly my neighbour has taken the opportunity to do some serious strimming.

    Washing machine going in the flat above during the 2 mins silence. Also quite a few cars going by.
    Where do you live - Moscow?
    Close: Acton
    Figures. {A Cockney speaks.}
  • SeanTSeanT Posts: 549
    My god this is extraordinary
  • ydoethur said:

    Jonathan said:

    Is it just me, or was that not as sombre and dark as this might have been. I found that positive and light compared to the black and white films of past state funerals.

    It isn't just you. It was a moving service in many ways, but I didn't find it mournful. That may of course be because of her age. Yes, we will miss her, but as I said at the time I think given the choice she would have chosen the way her life ended and she was 96. Being too sombre would be a bit jarring.
    Besides, to a believer, the whole point is that death has a chunk of joy attached.

    Not the end, but the start of the good bit.
  • DavidL said:

    Cyclefree said:

    DavidL said:

    At least it is not a Catholic funeral, people are setting up to leave already. Catholics would have been there for another good hour. Never waste a good audience, as Paul undoubtedly said.

    It is very impressive.

    And stately.

    I hope though the private internment is a little more human.

    This is about the Queen. That will - for the family's sake - be about the person.

    Catholic funeral Masses - to me anyway - combine the personal and religious very well. But each to their own. So long as it provides comfort to those grieving, that's what matters.

    Why wasn't there the Last Post we get on Remembrance Sunday?
    Think that is still to come. But, according to the BBC the actual internment is at 7.30 pm in Windsor and is private for the family only. My recollection is that Philip is being interred at the same time, together. A great love story, really.
    Philip's not been interred yet?

    That sounds a bit grim.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,871
    edited September 2022
    I do love the design of the Mall, the trees and flags aligning straight to the palace, and the reddish road. Makes for dramatic imagery.

    I believe they removed the traffic lights, but the road markings for the bike lanes do spoil it a bit.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,154
    kle4 said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    SeanT said:

    The Funeral of Prince Andrew, after this, is going to be like Police Academy 5

    He doesn't deserve a funeral, it's sickening he's been given any praise or publicity during this whole thing.
    Publicity yes, praise no. His tribute to HMQ gives us a new pretext to loathe, despise and ridicule him.

    "Mummy"

    Thanks for the £12m.

    https://news.sky.com/story/duke-of-york-pays-tribute-to-the-queen-12700540
    He shouldn't even be in the Royal Family, he should have been removed from it.
    Well he has been, that's why he's not in military uniform unlike the others.

    He's still at his mother's funeral though. Can't be stripped of that.
    He's still Prince Andrew. That should be taken away.
    Charles is apparently trying to get the government to change the law so he is no longer a counsellor of state.
    It would be a very sensible measure from all points of view and consistent with his reform of the monarchy.

    If the CoS were the consort, the heir, the heir's consort and then up to any other three members of the RF nominated by the Sovereign it would make everything much easier.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    DavidL said:

    Cyclefree said:

    DavidL said:

    At least it is not a Catholic funeral, people are setting up to leave already. Catholics would have been there for another good hour. Never waste a good audience, as Paul undoubtedly said.

    It is very impressive.

    And stately.

    I hope though the private internment is a little more human.

    This is about the Queen. That will - for the family's sake - be about the person.

    Catholic funeral Masses - to me anyway - combine the personal and religious very well. But each to their own. So long as it provides comfort to those grieving, that's what matters.

    Why wasn't there the Last Post we get on Remembrance Sunday?
    Think that is still to come. But, according to the BBC the actual internment is at 7.30 pm in Windsor and is private for the family only. My recollection is that Philip is being interred at the same time, together. A great love story, really.
    Pedantic, but you can't intern dead monarchs without trial. Interment.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,154
    DavidL said:

    Cyclefree said:

    DavidL said:

    At least it is not a Catholic funeral, people are setting up to leave already. Catholics would have been there for another good hour. Never waste a good audience, as Paul undoubtedly said.

    It is very impressive.

    And stately.

    I hope though the private internment is a little more human.

    This is about the Queen. That will - for the family's sake - be about the person.

    Catholic funeral Masses - to me anyway - combine the personal and religious very well. But each to their own. So long as it provides comfort to those grieving, that's what matters.

    Why wasn't there the Last Post we get on Remembrance Sunday?
    Think that is still to come. But, according to the BBC the actual internment is at 7.30 pm in Windsor and is private for the family only. My recollection is that Philip is being interred at the same time, together. A great love story, really.
    Errrr...where've they kept him in the meanwhile?
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,342
    SeanT said:

    It is an enormous free 70 minute advert for Visit Britain, watched by a billion people

    Right down to the horsehair plumes, gently wafted by the faded September sun

    So good it even persuaded you to make a brief visit.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,037

    DavidL said:

    Cyclefree said:

    DavidL said:

    At least it is not a Catholic funeral, people are setting up to leave already. Catholics would have been there for another good hour. Never waste a good audience, as Paul undoubtedly said.

    It is very impressive.

    And stately.

    I hope though the private internment is a little more human.

    This is about the Queen. That will - for the family's sake - be about the person.

    Catholic funeral Masses - to me anyway - combine the personal and religious very well. But each to their own. So long as it provides comfort to those grieving, that's what matters.

    Why wasn't there the Last Post we get on Remembrance Sunday?
    Think that is still to come. But, according to the BBC the actual internment is at 7.30 pm in Windsor and is private for the family only. My recollection is that Philip is being interred at the same time, together. A great love story, really.
    Philip's not been interred yet?

    That sounds a bit grim.
    Partners are often reinterred on the second death, my Nan was reinterred with Grandad when he died
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,895
    Churchill’s statue watches over proceedings as the procession begins. https://twitter.com/benrileysmith/status/1571822211752775682/photo/1
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,269
    edited September 2022
    TOPPING said:

    It's very, very religious for a quite not religious country. All this shall be received into the grace and glory of the lord and entry into his kingdom, lord this, lord that, I mean I know it has to happen but I would have thought it won't do a huge amount to help the relevance of a modern monarchy.

    The opposite. A Roman Catholic and Church of Scotland Cardinal and Minister also gave prayers, not just C of E representing the full UK.

    Also a black pentecostal preacher said a prayer, reflecting the fact that Black British in particular are much more proactively Christian than White British and that wlll help the monarchy with ethnic minority communities and the wider Commonwealth in Africa and the Caribbean especially
  • Fergal Keane is excellent

    He only had one No 1 though.
  • SeanTSeanT Posts: 549
    Cyclefree said:

    I find the marching before and after even more impressive to be honest.

    Right to the end The Queen was thinking: what is good for the United Kingdom?

    THIS

    I genuinely wonder if she died in Scotland *to reinforce the union*

    Seriously. She must have known she was close. So why not make the final act of her life a way of reinforcing the UK?

    What a woman

    *bows head*
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 13,677
    edited September 2022

    Dura_Ace said:

    Jonathan said:

    Is the airspace over London closed today? The security implications of today are mind boggling.

    Just looked - there is a NOTAM closing off airspace for the funeral. Plus another one warning that GPS jamming may be in use in the same area, so UAVs will have issues.
    GPS jamming? So if you opened Google Maps it wouldn't know where you are?

    How does that work, isn't your phone looking for a satellite in the sky? Fascinating.
    Hope it's ok with Big G if I answer this...

    They (the USA) use BFEA on the satellites to degrade the L1 C/A signal but M-Code (the US military signal) uses a different modulation type and is unaffected. The only people with functioning GNSS in this scenario right now are using Galileo, GLONASS or US sanctioned M-Code receivers.
    Urrm, how do you know they are using that capability to degrade the signals? AS you mention, it's pretty effing pointless if the malign device uses one of the other GNSS systems.
    BFEA is for use on "friends" not enemies. Hence the 'B'. Blue Force Electronic Attack.

    It means users of US equipment get exactly as much navigation data as the US wants them to have.

    RFEA of other jurisdictional GNSS would use jamming or spoofing from an EW platform.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 12,720
    The whole of the area around the Palace of Westminster and the Abbey has the look on TV of a large cathedral close, which I suppose it is.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,871
    Good thing most of our important institutions are close to one another, else all these services would be considerably more awkward.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,706
    IshmaelZ said:

    DavidL said:

    Cyclefree said:

    DavidL said:

    At least it is not a Catholic funeral, people are setting up to leave already. Catholics would have been there for another good hour. Never waste a good audience, as Paul undoubtedly said.

    It is very impressive.

    And stately.

    I hope though the private internment is a little more human.

    This is about the Queen. That will - for the family's sake - be about the person.

    Catholic funeral Masses - to me anyway - combine the personal and religious very well. But each to their own. So long as it provides comfort to those grieving, that's what matters.

    Why wasn't there the Last Post we get on Remembrance Sunday?
    Think that is still to come. But, according to the BBC the actual internment is at 7.30 pm in Windsor and is private for the family only. My recollection is that Philip is being interred at the same time, together. A great love story, really.
    Pedantic, but you can't intern dead monarchs without trial. Interment.
    I can plead autotext or simply admit to a spelling error. I will go with the latter I think.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,427
    Are we going to get the money shot of the coffin going past the "The Glorious Dead" inscription?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,269
    Farooq said:

    END THE MONARCHY

    This service and the huge crowds outside now and for the lying in state, show how doomed and out of touch you republicans are
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,871

    Are we going to get the money shot of the coffin going past the "The Glorious Dead" inscription?

    Answer: Yes.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,037
    Quite something
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,269

    https://twitter.com/theipaper/status/1571808487834787840

    The Palace reportedly asked the Prince and Princess of Wales to consider bringing Prince George because of the message it sends to the public, as he is the future king

    William and Kate are understood to have thought “very carefully” about how much to involve their children

    Lovely, using a child for PR opportunities.

    George is our future King, it was right he was there
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,154
    edited September 2022
    HYUFD said:

    https://twitter.com/theipaper/status/1571808487834787840

    The Palace reportedly asked the Prince and Princess of Wales to consider bringing Prince George because of the message it sends to the public, as he is the future king

    William and Kate are understood to have thought “very carefully” about how much to involve their children

    Lovely, using a child for PR opportunities.

    George is our future King, it was right he was there
    It was also his great-grandmother's funeral, it is right that he was there.

    Or to put it another way, I think they and he would later have regretted it if he hadn't been there.

    Edit - and I think Charlotte was there too? Certainly she's in the cortège.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,269

    IshmaelZ said:

    SeanT said:

    The Funeral of Prince Andrew, after this, is going to be like Police Academy 5

    He doesn't deserve a funeral, it's sickening he's been given any praise or publicity during this whole thing.
    Publicity yes, praise no. His tribute to HMQ gives us a new pretext to loathe, despise and ridicule him.

    "Mummy"

    Thanks for the £12m.

    https://news.sky.com/story/duke-of-york-pays-tribute-to-the-queen-12700540
    He shouldn't even be in the Royal Family, he should have been removed from it.
    Well he has been, that's why he's not in military uniform unlike the others.

    He's still at his mother's funeral though. Can't be stripped of that.
    Charles called her Mummy too.

    But really take a good hard look at yourself. He is a grieving son. Not a working Royal. Your unkind remarks at such a time about a man in mourning - like the unkind remarks people make about the Sussexes or others - say more about those making the remarks (and not in a good way) than about the targets.

    A bit of common politeness would not go amiss. And if you can't be polite, try silence. Good manners cost nothing.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,706
    SeanT said:

    My god this is extraordinary

    Genuinely incredible. My daughter says almost everyone at Holyrood was in tears at the time of the National Anthem.
  • Canadian mounties leading. Australian and New Zealanders in dress in the procession. All put armed forces. Union flags adorning both sides of the Mall.

    These are Imperial scenes.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,895
    Each toll of the bell underpinned by the sub-bass thud of the gun salute.

    It's sublime
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    edited September 2022
    HYUFD said:

    https://twitter.com/theipaper/status/1571808487834787840

    The Palace reportedly asked the Prince and Princess of Wales to consider bringing Prince George because of the message it sends to the public, as he is the future king

    William and Kate are understood to have thought “very carefully” about how much to involve their children

    Lovely, using a child for PR opportunities.

    George is our future King, it was right he was there
    If he hadn’t been there they would have been criticised for leaving him out.
  • Cyclefree said:

    I find the marching before and after even more impressive to be honest.

    After the service I thought “how do they top that?”’And they are…
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,269

    Canadian mounties leading. Australian and New Zealanders in dress in the procession. All put armed forces. Union flags adorning both sides of the Mall.

    These are Imperial scenes.

    Fitting for our last Imperial Monarch and the last Monarch of the British Empire, now long gone
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,154

    I like the procession saluting the Cenotaph as they go past it.

    Fitting as well, given she was one of the country's last surviving war veterans.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,871
    Horsepoop on the Mall - someone out with a brush quickly!
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 8,424
    This bit is really special. The music, the bells, the guns.
  • Cyclefree said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    SeanT said:

    The Funeral of Prince Andrew, after this, is going to be like Police Academy 5

    He doesn't deserve a funeral, it's sickening he's been given any praise or publicity during this whole thing.
    Publicity yes, praise no. His tribute to HMQ gives us a new pretext to loathe, despise and ridicule him.

    "Mummy"

    Thanks for the £12m.

    https://news.sky.com/story/duke-of-york-pays-tribute-to-the-queen-12700540
    He shouldn't even be in the Royal Family, he should have been removed from it.
    Well he has been, that's why he's not in military uniform unlike the others.

    He's still at his mother's funeral though. Can't be stripped of that.
    Charles called her Mummy too.

    But really take a good hard look at yourself. He is a grieving son. Not a working Royal. Your unkind remarks at such a time about a man in mourning - like the unkind remarks people make about the Sussexes or others - say more about those making the remarks (and not in a good way) than about the targets.

    A bit of common politeness would not go amiss. And if you can't be polite, try silence. Good manners cost nothing.
    Are you talking to me? I was saying that too.

    If you've got nothing nice to say, then say nothing at all. Especially when people are grieving.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,555

    Canadian mounties leading. Australian and New Zealanders in dress in the procession. All put armed forces. Union flags adorning both sides of the Mall.

    These are Imperial scenes.

    Better than that. This is the Commonwealth.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,871
    I kind of like the royals doing the procession, Charles kind of just blends in as one amongst many, not the King.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,871

    HYUFD said:

    Farooq said:

    END THE MONARCHY

    This service and the huge crowds outside now and for the lying in state, show how doomed and out of touch you republicans are
    Well, I’m watching and I’m a republican. We do ceremonies very well.
    The fun thing is apparently we didn't used to, but then once we got good at them we convinced ourselves we always had been.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,871

    I love the Cenotaph, it is an excellent memorial.

    Striking, but not flashy.
  • DriverDriver Posts: 4,785
    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    https://twitter.com/theipaper/status/1571808487834787840

    The Palace reportedly asked the Prince and Princess of Wales to consider bringing Prince George because of the message it sends to the public, as he is the future king

    William and Kate are understood to have thought “very carefully” about how much to involve their children

    Lovely, using a child for PR opportunities.

    George is our future King, it was right he was there
    It was also his great-grandmother's funeral, it is right that he was there.

    Or to put it another way, I think they and he would later have regretted it if he hadn't been there.

    Edit - and I think Charlotte was there too? Certainly she's in the cortège.
    Yes, George and Charlotte were both in the front row in the Abbey.
  • glwglw Posts: 9,871

    I like the procession saluting the Cenotaph as they go past it.

    That and the casket being placed on the gun carriage at the start are the things that have moved me the most, and when the bagpipes started so did the tears.

    God Save the King.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    Cyclefree said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    SeanT said:

    The Funeral of Prince Andrew, after this, is going to be like Police Academy 5

    He doesn't deserve a funeral, it's sickening he's been given any praise or publicity during this whole thing.
    Publicity yes, praise no. His tribute to HMQ gives us a new pretext to loathe, despise and ridicule him.

    "Mummy"

    Thanks for the £12m.

    https://news.sky.com/story/duke-of-york-pays-tribute-to-the-queen-12700540
    He shouldn't even be in the Royal Family, he should have been removed from it.
    Well he has been, that's why he's not in military uniform unlike the others.

    He's still at his mother's funeral though. Can't be stripped of that.
    Charles called her Mummy too.

    But really take a good hard look at yourself. He is a grieving son. Not a working Royal. Your unkind remarks at such a time about a man in mourning - like the unkind remarks people make about the Sussexes or others - say more about those making the remarks (and not in a good way) than about the targets.

    A bit of common politeness would not go amiss. And if you can't be polite, try silence. Good manners cost nothing.
    That's where he got the idea, sure. Works better in some contexts than others.

    He is an utterly repulsive creep whose presence puts the dignity of the whole funeral at risk. I very much hope that this is his last public appearance.
  • I stand by what I said about Prince Andrew.

    He's welcome to grieve at a funeral, no issue with that. He shouldn't be a Prince, he shouldn't get any publicity.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,037
    Its extraordinary.
  • Dura_Ace said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Jonathan said:

    Is the airspace over London closed today? The security implications of today are mind boggling.

    Just looked - there is a NOTAM closing off airspace for the funeral. Plus another one warning that GPS jamming may be in use in the same area, so UAVs will have issues.
    GPS jamming? So if you opened Google Maps it wouldn't know where you are?

    How does that work, isn't your phone looking for a satellite in the sky? Fascinating.
    Hope it's ok with Big G if I answer this...

    They (the USA) use BFEA on the satellites to degrade the L1 C/A signal but M-Code (the US military signal) uses a different modulation type and is unaffected. The only people with functioning GNSS in this scenario right now are using Galileo, GLONASS or US sanctioned M-Code receivers.
    Urrm, how do you know they are using that capability to degrade the signals? AS you mention, it's pretty effing pointless if the malign device uses one of the other GNSS systems.
    BFEA is for use on "friends" not enemies. Hence the 'B'. Blue Force Electronic Attack.

    It means users of US equipment get exactly as much navigation data as the US wants them to have.

    RFEA of other jurisdictional GNSS would use jamming or spoofing from an EW platform.
    Yeah, and that's my point. Any malign actor would just use a multi-GNSS system (heck, even chip) such as Furuno's offerings and use the non-GPS system. Therefore to be effective, they need to block *all* GNSSs. And (AIUI) they are all in similar frequency bands within L-band for operational and legal (ITU) reasons, that's not as complicated as it could be.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,269
    Cyclefree said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    SeanT said:

    The Funeral of Prince Andrew, after this, is going to be like Police Academy 5

    He doesn't deserve a funeral, it's sickening he's been given any praise or publicity during this whole thing.
    Publicity yes, praise no. His tribute to HMQ gives us a new pretext to loathe, despise and ridicule him.

    "Mummy"

    Thanks for the £12m.

    https://news.sky.com/story/duke-of-york-pays-tribute-to-the-queen-12700540
    He shouldn't even be in the Royal Family, he should have been removed from it.
    Well he has been, that's why he's not in military uniform unlike the others.

    He's still at his mother's funeral though. Can't be stripped of that.
    Charles called her Mummy too.

    But really take a good hard look at yourself. He is a grieving son. Not a working Royal. Your unkind remarks at such a time about a man in mourning - like the unkind remarks people make about the Sussexes or others - say more about those making the remarks (and not in a good way) than about the targets.

    A bit of common politeness would not go amiss. And if you can't be polite, try silence. Good manners cost nothing.
    Sorry @BartholomewRoberts - that was addressed to @CorrectHorseBattery not you. My apologies.
  • ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    https://twitter.com/theipaper/status/1571808487834787840

    The Palace reportedly asked the Prince and Princess of Wales to consider bringing Prince George because of the message it sends to the public, as he is the future king

    William and Kate are understood to have thought “very carefully” about how much to involve their children

    Lovely, using a child for PR opportunities.

    George is our future King, it was right he was there
    It was also his great-grandmother's funeral, it is right that he was there.

    Or to put it another way, I think they and he would later have regretted it if he hadn't been there.

    Edit - and I think Charlotte was there too? Certainly she's in the cortège.
    Yes - she’s in the first car of the cortège with her brother, the Queen and the Princess of Wales.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,269

    HYUFD said:

    Farooq said:

    END THE MONARCHY

    This service and the huge crowds outside now and for the lying in state, show how doomed and out of touch you republicans are
    Well, I’m watching and I’m a republican. We do ceremonies very well.
    It is though tied in with our royal family, a President's state funeral wouldn't be quite the same, or so British
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,753

    Canadian mounties leading. Australian and New Zealanders in dress in the procession. All put armed forces. Union flags adorning both sides of the Mall.

    These are Imperial scenes.

    pm'd you btw
  • I love the Cenotaph, it is an excellent memorial.

    It's not a memorial, it's a cenotaph. An empty tomb.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,154
    Pulpstar said:

    How much a month do I need to put away for this plan ?

    Your whole life...

    At least that was what she paid up for it.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,706
    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    https://twitter.com/theipaper/status/1571808487834787840

    The Palace reportedly asked the Prince and Princess of Wales to consider bringing Prince George because of the message it sends to the public, as he is the future king

    William and Kate are understood to have thought “very carefully” about how much to involve their children

    Lovely, using a child for PR opportunities.

    George is our future King, it was right he was there
    It was also his great-grandmother's funeral, it is right that he was there.

    Or to put it another way, I think they and he would later have regretted it if he hadn't been there.

    Edit - and I think Charlotte was there too? Certainly she's in the cortège.
    Charlotte looks more like the young Queen than anyone else in the entire family.
  • Cyclefree said:

    Cyclefree said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    SeanT said:

    The Funeral of Prince Andrew, after this, is going to be like Police Academy 5

    He doesn't deserve a funeral, it's sickening he's been given any praise or publicity during this whole thing.
    Publicity yes, praise no. His tribute to HMQ gives us a new pretext to loathe, despise and ridicule him.

    "Mummy"

    Thanks for the £12m.

    https://news.sky.com/story/duke-of-york-pays-tribute-to-the-queen-12700540
    He shouldn't even be in the Royal Family, he should have been removed from it.
    Well he has been, that's why he's not in military uniform unlike the others.

    He's still at his mother's funeral though. Can't be stripped of that.
    Charles called her Mummy too.

    But really take a good hard look at yourself. He is a grieving son. Not a working Royal. Your unkind remarks at such a time about a man in mourning - like the unkind remarks people make about the Sussexes or others - say more about those making the remarks (and not in a good way) than about the targets.

    A bit of common politeness would not go amiss. And if you can't be polite, try silence. Good manners cost nothing.
    Sorry @BartholomewRoberts - that was addressed to @CorrectHorseBattery not you. My apologies.
    I stand by what I said.

    I've got no issue with him grieving at a funeral.

    He shouldn't be a Prince and the publicity he's been given is insulting and sickening.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,871

    I love the Cenotaph, it is an excellent memorial.

    It's not a memorial, it's a cenotaph. An empty tomb.
    Top class pedantry!
  • kyf_100kyf_100 Posts: 4,866

    The procession is more impressive than the funeral.

    I've got a heart of stone, and even I'm a little moved by the procession - as you say, much more so than the funeral itself.

    Not sure whether it is the element of somber finality to it all, or just that as an atheist it feels more meaningful to me than the service.
  • Scott_xP said:

    Each toll of the bell underpinned by the sub-bass thud of the gun salute.

    It's sublime

    It's perfect.

    Also, how they went under the arch into Horseguard with inches to spare on either side, but in perfect time and precision.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,037
    Britain's Sic transit gloria mundi moment? Or renewal and rebirth?
  • Cyclefree said:

    The view down the Mall just now - stunning.

    It's a shot for the ages.
  • paulyork64paulyork64 Posts: 2,507
    Where will the front of the procession go while HMQ heads to Wellington Arch? The RCMP must be about 1 mile ahead.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 12,720
    This really is impressive.

    I like the style of marching at events like this. Synchronised, but not excessively so in the self-parodic North Korean fashion. The French are good at that too.

    The weather has behaved impeccably.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 8,424

    Cyclefree said:

    Cyclefree said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    SeanT said:

    The Funeral of Prince Andrew, after this, is going to be like Police Academy 5

    He doesn't deserve a funeral, it's sickening he's been given any praise or publicity during this whole thing.
    Publicity yes, praise no. His tribute to HMQ gives us a new pretext to loathe, despise and ridicule him.

    "Mummy"

    Thanks for the £12m.

    https://news.sky.com/story/duke-of-york-pays-tribute-to-the-queen-12700540
    He shouldn't even be in the Royal Family, he should have been removed from it.
    Well he has been, that's why he's not in military uniform unlike the others.

    He's still at his mother's funeral though. Can't be stripped of that.
    Charles called her Mummy too.

    But really take a good hard look at yourself. He is a grieving son. Not a working Royal. Your unkind remarks at such a time about a man in mourning - like the unkind remarks people make about the Sussexes or others - say more about those making the remarks (and not in a good way) than about the targets.

    A bit of common politeness would not go amiss. And if you can't be polite, try silence. Good manners cost nothing.
    Sorry @BartholomewRoberts - that was addressed to @CorrectHorseBattery not you. My apologies.
    I stand by what I said.

    I've got no issue with him grieving at a funeral.

    He shouldn't be a Prince and the publicity he's been given is insulting and sickening.
    Not sure there's much more they can do without getting some laws changed by Parliament (which it sounds like Charles will do).

    He hasn't been convicted nor has he admitted anything illegal. And I think the site moderators are being quite generous with what they have let you say so far.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 22,703
    edited September 2022
    TimS said:

    Watching as the trumpets play and the organ chimes in, and then the bagpipes start sounding I’m struck by how exotic Britain is.

    It’s easy to imagine yourself a foreign viewer today wondering at the sheer differentness of this country and its national rituals.

    I'm not really convinced by that.

    Every country has their own ceremonial, often rooted in tradition, or reinvented versions of tradition.

    See for example, funeral ceremonies held in the Reichstag or the Requiem Mass for French Presidents.

    Or, for sheer differentness, try Chile with their pickelhaube and goosesteps inherited from the Prussian Military who retrained their armed forces more than a century ago. I think Sweden still do Pickelhaube.

    Or as DA pointed out the other day, the Greeks with their interesting ceremonial uniforms.

    New countries recreate their own, and to me that feels more incongruous than something developed from an historical tradition, which I put under the "life's rich tapestry" label.

  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,154

    Britain's Sic transit gloria mundi moment? Or renewal and rebirth?

    Possibly and even probably both. She is the last link with the Empire. But that in itself means we can now move on.
  • Canadian mounties leading. Australian and New Zealanders in dress in the procession. All put armed forces. Union flags adorning both sides of the Mall.

    These are Imperial scenes.

    I think the Commonwealth flags line Constitution Hill from Buckingham Palace to Waterloo Arch.

    The BBC earlier was interviewing a Kiwi soldier who was evidently a bit jet lagged.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    Cyclefree said:

    Cyclefree said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    SeanT said:

    The Funeral of Prince Andrew, after this, is going to be like Police Academy 5

    He doesn't deserve a funeral, it's sickening he's been given any praise or publicity during this whole thing.
    Publicity yes, praise no. His tribute to HMQ gives us a new pretext to loathe, despise and ridicule him.

    "Mummy"

    Thanks for the £12m.

    https://news.sky.com/story/duke-of-york-pays-tribute-to-the-queen-12700540
    He shouldn't even be in the Royal Family, he should have been removed from it.
    Well he has been, that's why he's not in military uniform unlike the others.

    He's still at his mother's funeral though. Can't be stripped of that.
    Charles called her Mummy too.

    But really take a good hard look at yourself. He is a grieving son. Not a working Royal. Your unkind remarks at such a time about a man in mourning - like the unkind remarks people make about the Sussexes or others - say more about those making the remarks (and not in a good way) than about the targets.

    A bit of common politeness would not go amiss. And if you can't be polite, try silence. Good manners cost nothing.
    Sorry @BartholomewRoberts - that was addressed to @CorrectHorseBattery not you. My apologies.
    You sure? I was the one who objected to the entitled old predator's use of the word "mummy."

    The reason being, it is a child's word for mother. Fine and rhetorically effective for the adult Charles to have used it in the circs he did. Anyone not thicker than a dead pig (so not Andrew or his advisers) should be able to see that a blurring of the adult/child distinction coming from him is, ahem, inappropriate.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 12,720

    Britain's Sic transit gloria mundi moment? Or renewal and rebirth?

    Better consult the authoritative and totally objective New York Times for an answer to that.
  • Very fortunate with the weather, everything gleaming in the sunshine.

    Wouldn't be the same if it was absolutely pissing it down like when Truss became PM and they had to bring the lectern back inside and do an extended drive around London in order to get a short break in the rain for her speech outside Number 10.
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