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Leon said:

Weird troll. What’s the point?

TheScreamingEagles said:

Leon said:

Weird troll. What’s the point?

I read a report that predicted a rise in Russian sponsored troll activity around the time the Ruskies would cut off gas to the West.

It is to sow discord.

The irony is on here it just unites us more, I think 99% of this board are pro vaccines, so we united and laugh at them.

kle4 said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Leon said:

Weird troll. What’s the point?

I read a report that predicted a rise in Russian sponsored troll activity around the time the Ruskies would cut off gas to the West.

It is to sow discord.

The irony is on here it just unites us more, I think 99% of this board are pro vaccines, so we united and laugh at them.

But, with all respect, why here?

TheScreamingEagles said:

kle4 said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Leon said:

Weird troll. What’s the point?

I read a report that predicted a rise in Russian sponsored troll activity around the time the Ruskies would cut off gas to the West.

It is to sow discord.

The irony is on here it just unites us more, I think 99% of this board are pro vaccines, so we united and laugh at them.

But, with all respect, why here?

We're an agenda setting blog, I think 30% of our traffic emanates from Westminster IP addresses.

Dave (pbuh) was a lurker whilst he was LOTO and PM.

TheScreamingEagles said:

kle4 said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Leon said:

Weird troll. What’s the point?

I read a report that predicted a rise in Russian sponsored troll activity around the time the Ruskies would cut off gas to the West.

It is to sow discord.

The irony is on here it just unites us more, I think 99% of this board are pro vaccines, so we united and laugh at them.

But, with all respect, why here?

We're an agenda setting blog, I think 30% of our traffic emanates from Westminster IP addresses.

Dave (pbuh) was a lurker whilst he was LOTO and PM.

YBarddCwsc said:

ydoethur said:

Leon said:

Weird troll. What’s the point?

Would people please stop this? Irony meters are expensive and mean working extra in the tuition lark to buy new ones.

However, having given up the job where a bunch of barely literate drunks cocked everything up to save their worthless employment, I did have a most enjoyable walk along the Glyndwr way from Knighton to Felindre, rather than sitting in a stuffy classroom being told what to expect the next time the incompetent safeguarding risks, ooops, OFSTED inspectors visit.

So it's swings and roundabouts.

If you are a freeman, are you going to any of the Cadw open doors in September?

https://cadw.gov.wales/visit/whats-on/open-doors

Yesterday, I went to St Brothen's -- almost impossible to find in rural Gwynedd -- to look for the grave that sparked the Llanfrothen Burial case, and of course made the name of Lloyd George.

Leon said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Leon said:

Weird troll. What’s the point?

I read a report that predicted a rise in Russian sponsored troll activity around the time the Ruskies would cut off gas to the West.

It is to sow discord.

The irony is on here it just unites us more, I think 99% of this board are pro vaccines, so we united and laugh at them.

Yes. Didn’t do much research

One of the few things we DON’T argue about is the vax. Even @Dura_Ace - our only anti vaxxer? - lies low on this issue and is thereby tolerated

The troll should have waded in with a contentious point about fish stock in microwaved risottos

TheScreamingEagles said:

kle4 said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Leon said:

Weird troll. What’s the point?

I read a report that predicted a rise in Russian sponsored troll activity around the time the Ruskies would cut off gas to the West.

It is to sow discord.

The irony is on here it just unites us more, I think 99% of this board are pro vaccines, so we united and laugh at them.

But, with all respect, why here?

We're an agenda setting blog, I think 30% of our traffic emanates from Westminster IP addresses.

Dave (pbuh) was a lurker whilst he was LOTO and PM.

TheScreamingEagles said:

Leon said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Leon said:

Weird troll. What’s the point?

I read a report that predicted a rise in Russian sponsored troll activity around the time the Ruskies would cut off gas to the West.

It is to sow discord.

The irony is on here it just unites us more, I think 99% of this board are pro vaccines, so we united and laugh at them.

Yes. Didn’t do much research

One of the few things we DON’T argue about is the vax. Even @Dura_Ace - our only anti vaxxer? - lies low on this issue and is thereby tolerated

The troll should have waded in with a contentious point about fish stock in microwaved risottos

I don't think Dura_Ace is an antivaxxer in the pure sense.

Only Misty and Contrarian are/were only bona fide antivaxxers.

Casino_Royale said:

It's a good job Jesus didn't land in Sunderland.

rottenborough said:

I see Mail is already calling her 'Liz' rather than Liz Truss or Mrs Truss. Very Boris like vibes.

OnlyLivingBoy said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

kle4 said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Leon said:

Weird troll. What’s the point?

I read a report that predicted a rise in Russian sponsored troll activity around the time the Ruskies would cut off gas to the West.

It is to sow discord.

The irony is on here it just unites us more, I think 99% of this board are pro vaccines, so we united and laugh at them.

But, with all respect, why here?

We're an agenda setting blog, I think 30% of our traffic emanates from Westminster IP addresses.

Dave (pbuh) was a lurker whilst he was LOTO and PM.

Do you think he still lurks occasionally, or is he too busy Netflix and chilling in his designer shed, trotters up, counting his trust fund and wondering where it all went wrong?

Dave - if you're reading - this is ALL YOUR FAULT!

Eabhal said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

rottenborough said:

Leon said:

Weird troll. What’s the point?

Is this one the fastest ban hammer yet?

Nah, there was one troll that got blasted after one post.

Managed to link the vaccines to the great replacement theory and Jewish bankers that control the world.

Impressive, tbh

YBarddCwsc said:

ydoethur said:

Leon said:

Weird troll. What’s the point?

Would people please stop this? Irony meters are expensive and mean working extra in the tuition lark to buy new ones.

However, having given up the job where a bunch of barely literate drunks cocked everything up to save their worthless employment, I did have a most enjoyable walk along the Glyndwr way from Knighton to Felindre, rather than sitting in a stuffy classroom being told what to expect the next time the incompetent safeguarding risks, ooops, OFSTED inspectors visit.

So it's swings and roundabouts.

If you are a freeman, are you going to any of the Cadw open doors in September?

https://cadw.gov.wales/visit/whats-on/open-doors

Yesterday, I went to St Brothen's -- almost impossible to find in rural Gwynedd -- to look for the grave that sparked the Llanfrothen Burial case, and of course made the name of Lloyd George.

FrankBooth said:

Casino_Royale said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

kle4 said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Leon said:

Weird troll. What’s the point?

I read a report that predicted a rise in Russian sponsored troll activity around the time the Ruskies would cut off gas to the West.

It is to sow discord.

The irony is on here it just unites us more, I think 99% of this board are pro vaccines, so we united and laugh at them.

But, with all respect, why here?

We're an agenda setting blog, I think 30% of our traffic emanates from Westminster IP addresses.

Dave (pbuh) was a lurker whilst he was LOTO and PM.

What amuses me is how comments (and that's below the line, from regular posters) can suspiciously work their way into MSM op-eds within 24-48 hours of their first appearance on here, and only on here.

Good grief. I wish I was aware of this stuff. Are you suggesting we are getting plagiarised? I was convinced for quite some time that a very well known former spin doctor was posting on here prolifically but reluctantly concluded that it wasn't him.

FrankBooth said:

Casino_Royale said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

kle4 said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Leon said:

Weird troll. What’s the point?

I read a report that predicted a rise in Russian sponsored troll activity around the time the Ruskies would cut off gas to the West.

It is to sow discord.

The irony is on here it just unites us more, I think 99% of this board are pro vaccines, so we united and laugh at them.

But, with all respect, why here?

We're an agenda setting blog, I think 30% of our traffic emanates from Westminster IP addresses.

Dave (pbuh) was a lurker whilst he was LOTO and PM.

What amuses me is how comments (and that's below the line, from regular posters) can suspiciously work their way into MSM op-eds within 24-48 hours of their first appearance on here, and only on here.

Good grief. I wish I was aware of this stuff. Are you suggesting we are getting plagiarised? I was convinced for quite some time that a very well known former spin doctor was posting on here prolifically but reluctantly concluded that it wasn't him.

IshmaelZ said:

kle4 said:

John Rentoul definitely reads and has shared headers, but IDK, I feel kind of sad if trend setters actually read comments on the internet, poor bastards.

JR reads below the line. I know this because he told me so.

TheScreamingEagles said:

FrankBooth said:

Casino_Royale said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

kle4 said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Leon said:

Weird troll. What’s the point?

I read a report that predicted a rise in Russian sponsored troll activity around the time the Ruskies would cut off gas to the West.

It is to sow discord.

The irony is on here it just unites us more, I think 99% of this board are pro vaccines, so we united and laugh at them.

But, with all respect, why here?

We're an agenda setting blog, I think 30% of our traffic emanates from Westminster IP addresses.

Dave (pbuh) was a lurker whilst he was LOTO and PM.

What amuses me is how comments (and that's below the line, from regular posters) can suspiciously work their way into MSM op-eds within 24-48 hours of their first appearance on here, and only on here.

Good grief. I wish I was aware of this stuff. Are you suggesting we are getting plagiarised? I was convinced for quite some time that a very well known former spin doctor was posting on here prolifically but reluctantly concluded that it wasn't him.

I've had quite a few of my pieces homaged within days, particularly the data heavy stuff.

TLG86's pieces on population/birth rates were lifted recently as well.

Stuartinromford said:

rottenborough said:

I see Mail is already calling her 'Liz' rather than Liz Truss or Mrs Truss. Very Boris like vibes.

Nice try, but trying too hard too late.

Boris spent years crafting the brand. Doing the same for Truss will be like the
Didldidi lookalikes. Camilla the caterpillar cake, that sort of thing.

Eabhal said:

FrankBooth said:

Casino_Royale said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

kle4 said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Leon said:

Weird troll. What’s the point?

I read a report that predicted a rise in Russian sponsored troll activity around the time the Ruskies would cut off gas to the West.

It is to sow discord.

The irony is on here it just unites us more, I think 99% of this board are pro vaccines, so we united and laugh at them.

But, with all respect, why here?

We're an agenda setting blog, I think 30% of our traffic emanates from Westminster IP addresses.

Dave (pbuh) was a lurker whilst he was LOTO and PM.

What amuses me is how comments (and that's below the line, from regular posters) can suspiciously work their way into MSM op-eds within 24-48 hours of their first appearance on here, and only on here.

Good grief. I wish I was aware of this stuff. Are you suggesting we are getting plagiarised? I was convinced for quite some time that a very well known former spin doctor was posting on here prolifically but reluctantly concluded that it wasn't him.

A variation on this theme - for about a week I thought I was dating DavidL's daughter. Was a different Dundee-based lawyer, thank goodness.

(we're no longer together)

TheScreamingEagles said:

rottenborough said:

Leon said:

Weird troll. What’s the point?

Is this one the fastest ban hammer yet?

Nah, there was one troll that got blasted after one post.

Managed to link the vaccines to the great replacement theory and Jewish bankers that control the world.

Cyclefree said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

FrankBooth said:

Casino_Royale said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

kle4 said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Leon said:

Weird troll. What’s the point?

I read a report that predicted a rise in Russian sponsored troll activity around the time the Ruskies would cut off gas to the West.

It is to sow discord.

The irony is on here it just unites us more, I think 99% of this board are pro vaccines, so we united and laugh at them.

But, with all respect, why here?

We're an agenda setting blog, I think 30% of our traffic emanates from Westminster IP addresses.

Dave (pbuh) was a lurker whilst he was LOTO and PM.

What amuses me is how comments (and that's below the line, from regular posters) can suspiciously work their way into MSM op-eds within 24-48 hours of their first appearance on here, and only on here.

Good grief. I wish I was aware of this stuff. Are you suggesting we are getting plagiarised? I was convinced for quite some time that a very well known former spin doctor was posting on here prolifically but reluctantly concluded that it wasn't him.

I've had quite a few of my pieces homaged within days, particularly the data heavy stuff.

TLG86's pieces on population/birth rates were lifted recently as well.

Some of my stuff has been borrowed too.

BartholomewRoberts said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

BartholomewRoberts said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

stodge said:

Mid evening all

A trip up to Scotland for Liz Truss tomorrow and she will return "in triumph" to give us all a glimpse into many think will be a return to 1979.

As I've said before, the Thatcherites had the not inconsiderable assistance of North Sea Oil, Privatisation receipts and a group of desperate idiots in Buenos Aires.

I'd certainly argue Truss faces as daunting an in-tray as any incoming PM since Thatcher but one can also argue a lot of the problems are going to be hard for her to control directly. She can do nothing, for example, directly about the conflict in the Ukraine and she can do little about the fact of rising energy prices - both oil and gas rose in price today and it seems we may have to adjust to $90 a barrel oil as the "new normal".

I remain a simpleton at heart compared to what I'm informed are the towering intellects on this forum - if the plan is to freeze energy bills for the consumers, fine, I get that but the fact remains the gas and electricity is being supplied at higher prices so someone is going to have to pay the balance - the Government presumably?

I also remain bemused at how, given an annual debt interest of £100 billion and the other myriad calls on the public purse such as defence, health, pensions and the Police (all of which, we are told by Conservatives, are vital), there is any scope for more than a gesture in terms of reducing taxes and even then is that shortfall in revenue to be met by public expenditure reductions and if so, what, where and when?

The more thoughtful local authorities, who are curious beasts by nature, are already war gaming 10-15% net reductions in Government financial support and the impact on Service provision. Some are already trying to sell off their mostly unused office space (I see central Government is trying to sell off £1.5 billion of office estate so JRM's plan to get the civil servants back to their desks, like all his other stupid ideas, is all image and no substance).

It would be churlish not to wish Truss and the new Government well - I disagree with her at a fundamental philosophical level and I hope she and her Ministers adopt a less ideological and more pragmatic aspect in terms of practical governing (the successful PMs know when to be ideologues and when to be sensible in Government).

Good post and of course the NI reverse was largely mitigated when Sunak excluded those earning £34,000 or less

Th CBI said today that they pay 19% corporation tax already, but that in April an uplift to 25% was unwelcome i this climate

Sunak never excluded those earning £34k or less. He excluded those earning about £12k or less.

He excluded them from this years NI rise

No he did not. That's just not true. There is no £34k threshold where tax rates change.

The marginal tax rate someone on say £19k per annum is absolutely higher now than it was in March.

Cyclefree said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

FrankBooth said:

Casino_Royale said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

kle4 said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Leon said:

Weird troll. What’s the point?

I read a report that predicted a rise in Russian sponsored troll activity around the time the Ruskies would cut off gas to the West.

It is to sow discord.

The irony is on here it just unites us more, I think 99% of this board are pro vaccines, so we united and laugh at them.

But, with all respect, why here?

We're an agenda setting blog, I think 30% of our traffic emanates from Westminster IP addresses.

Dave (pbuh) was a lurker whilst he was LOTO and PM.

What amuses me is how comments (and that's below the line, from regular posters) can suspiciously work their way into MSM op-eds within 24-48 hours of their first appearance on here, and only on here.

Good grief. I wish I was aware of this stuff. Are you suggesting we are getting plagiarised? I was convinced for quite some time that a very well known former spin doctor was posting on here prolifically but reluctantly concluded that it wasn't him.

I've had quite a few of my pieces homaged within days, particularly the data heavy stuff.

TLG86's pieces on population/birth rates were lifted recently as well.

Some of my stuff has been borrowed too.

rottenborough said:

Eabhal said:

FrankBooth said:

Casino_Royale said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

kle4 said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Leon said:

Weird troll. What’s the point?

I read a report that predicted a rise in Russian sponsored troll activity around the time the Ruskies would cut off gas to the West.

It is to sow discord.

The irony is on here it just unites us more, I think 99% of this board are pro vaccines, so we united and laugh at them.

But, with all respect, why here?

We're an agenda setting blog, I think 30% of our traffic emanates from Westminster IP addresses.

Dave (pbuh) was a lurker whilst he was LOTO and PM.

What amuses me is how comments (and that's below the line, from regular posters) can suspiciously work their way into MSM op-eds within 24-48 hours of their first appearance on here, and only on here.

Good grief. I wish I was aware of this stuff. Are you suggesting we are getting plagiarised? I was convinced for quite some time that a very well known former spin doctor was posting on here prolifically but reluctantly concluded that it wasn't him.

A variation on this theme - for about a week I thought I was dating DavidL's daughter. Was a different Dundee-based lawyer, thank goodness.

(we're no longer together)

" I think 30% of our traffic emanates from Westminster IP addresses."

Wow. That is some stat.

Casino_Royale said:

Leon said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

kle4 said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Leon said:

Weird troll. What’s the point?

I read a report that predicted a rise in Russian sponsored troll activity around the time the Ruskies would cut off gas to the West.

It is to sow discord.

The irony is on here it just unites us more, I think 99% of this board are pro vaccines, so we united and laugh at them.

But, with all respect, why here?

We're an agenda setting blog, I think 30% of our traffic emanates from Westminster IP addresses.

Dave (pbuh) was a lurker whilst he was LOTO and PM.

And snowflake of course. Who we often jousted with, without realising at the time

Because she was crap.

It was amazing how many regular(ish) posters on here turned out to be well-known mainstream politicians who had virtually no insight to offer - just tedious attack lines.

In her case, it extended to me laying her for the Labour leadership as I felt she'd shown herself to be an empty vessel.

Malmesbury said:

Stuartinromford said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Leon said:

Weird troll. What’s the point?

I read a report that predicted a rise in Russian sponsored troll activity around the time the Ruskies would cut off gas to the West.

It is to sow discord.

The irony is on here it just unites us more, I think 99% of this board are pro vaccines, so we united and laugh at them.

PB's response to new trolls is a glorious thing to see.

Makes you proud to be British.

Please sir, can we keep the next troll as a pet?

I promise to feed it and take it for regular walks.

TheScreamingEagles said:

rottenborough said:

Eabhal said:

FrankBooth said:

Casino_Royale said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

kle4 said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Leon said:

Weird troll. What’s the point?

I read a report that predicted a rise in Russian sponsored troll activity around the time the Ruskies would cut off gas to the West.

It is to sow discord.

The irony is on here it just unites us more, I think 99% of this board are pro vaccines, so we united and laugh at them.

But, with all respect, why here?

We're an agenda setting blog, I think 30% of our traffic emanates from Westminster IP addresses.

Dave (pbuh) was a lurker whilst he was LOTO and PM.

What amuses me is how comments (and that's below the line, from regular posters) can suspiciously work their way into MSM op-eds within 24-48 hours of their first appearance on here, and only on here.

Good grief. I wish I was aware of this stuff. Are you suggesting we are getting plagiarised? I was convinced for quite some time that a very well known former spin doctor was posting on here prolifically but reluctantly concluded that it wasn't him.

A variation on this theme - for about a week I thought I was dating DavidL's daughter. Was a different Dundee-based lawyer, thank goodness.

(we're no longer together)

" I think 30% of our traffic emanates from Westminster IP addresses."

Wow. That is some stat.

Thanks to PB I have something like 70 MPs of all parties following me

Such Penny Mordaunt, Jake Berry (likely next Tory Chairman) other past and present cabinet ministers and minister. Shadow cabinet ministers as well.

I have quite the following amongst SNP MPs for my honest take on Scottish polling.

Even Alex Salmond follows me.

Leon said:

wooliedyed said:

Cyclefree said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

FrankBooth said:

Casino_Royale said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

kle4 said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Leon said:

Weird troll. What’s the point?

I read a report that predicted a rise in Russian sponsored troll activity around the time the Ruskies would cut off gas to the West.

It is to sow discord.

The irony is on here it just unites us more, I think 99% of this board are pro vaccines, so we united and laugh at them.

But, with all respect, why here?

We're an agenda setting blog, I think 30% of our traffic emanates from Westminster IP addresses.

Dave (pbuh) was a lurker whilst he was LOTO and PM.

What amuses me is how comments (and that's below the line, from regular posters) can suspiciously work their way into MSM op-eds within 24-48 hours of their first appearance on here, and only on here.

Good grief. I wish I was aware of this stuff. Are you suggesting we are getting plagiarised? I was convinced for quite some time that a very well known former spin doctor was posting on here prolifically but reluctantly concluded that it wasn't him.

I've had quite a few of my pieces homaged within days, particularly the data heavy stuff.

TLG86's pieces on population/birth rates were lifted recently as well.

Some of my stuff has been borrowed too.

Once the Norfolk MPs (including the new PM) start pushing hard on the restoration of the Wuffingas Kingdom i'll know i've got some real clout

I’m pretty sure one well known Spectator writer just steals my stuff wholesale and turns it into articles on the magazine. Frankly, I don’t know what to do about it. Gone beyond a joke now

TheScreamingEagles said:

rottenborough said:

Eabhal said:

FrankBooth said:

Casino_Royale said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

kle4 said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Leon said:

Weird troll. What’s the point?

I read a report that predicted a rise in Russian sponsored troll activity around the time the Ruskies would cut off gas to the West.

It is to sow discord.

The irony is on here it just unites us more, I think 99% of this board are pro vaccines, so we united and laugh at them.

But, with all respect, why here?

We're an agenda setting blog, I think 30% of our traffic emanates from Westminster IP addresses.

Dave (pbuh) was a lurker whilst he was LOTO and PM.

What amuses me is how comments (and that's below the line, from regular posters) can suspiciously work their way into MSM op-eds within 24-48 hours of their first appearance on here, and only on here.

Good grief. I wish I was aware of this stuff. Are you suggesting we are getting plagiarised? I was convinced for quite some time that a very well known former spin doctor was posting on here prolifically but reluctantly concluded that it wasn't him.

A variation on this theme - for about a week I thought I was dating DavidL's daughter. Was a different Dundee-based lawyer, thank goodness.

(we're no longer together)

" I think 30% of our traffic emanates from Westminster IP addresses."

Wow. That is some stat.

Thanks to PB I have something like 70 MPs of all parties following me

Such Penny Mordaunt, Jake Berry (likely next Tory Chairman) other past and present cabinet ministers and minister. Shadow cabinet ministers as well.

I have quite the following amongst SNP MPs for my honest take on Scottish polling.

Even Alex Salmond follows me.

Carnyx said:

RobD said:

embankment said:

This is what portfolio manager ed down says about the vaccines

The all-cause mortality endpoint, this is something we need to talk about. Normally, if you’re a single product biotech company and you do a clinical trial that fails the all-cause mortality endpoint, the drug does not get approved [by the FDA].

At the end of the day, if the risk is higher than the benefit, this thing doesn’t get approved. The all-cause mortality endpoint for the Pfizer vaccine, when they touted its effectiveness, they conveniently hid that data point from everybody. It came out in the FOIA request in the fall and, again, the trial was only 28 days.

This is also just unprecedented. So, in 28 days, there was something like 23 deaths in the vaccine group and 17 in the placebo group, which gives all-cause mortality excess of 23%. It should not have been approved on that alone. That’s fraud in my humble opinion.”

Seriously, did you just join a discussion forum about politics and betting to discuss vaccine conspiracy theories?

Must be from Inverness (though not typical of the place):

https://www.google.com/maps/@57.4785084,-4.2311338,3a,31.6y,163.61h,88.11t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s8w22Ni5ETxDvZKfPzMY57g!2e0!5s20201101T000000!7i16384!8i8192

Leon said:

ydoethur said:

Leon said:

ydoethur said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Leon said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Leon said:

Weird troll. What’s the point?

I read a report that predicted a rise in Russian sponsored troll activity around the time the Ruskies would cut off gas to the West.

It is to sow discord.

The irony is on here it just unites us more, I think 99% of this board are pro vaccines, so we united and laugh at them.

Yes. Didn’t do much research

One of the few things we DON’T argue about is the vax. Even @Dura_Ace - our only anti vaxxer? - lies low on this issue and is thereby tolerated

The troll should have waded in with a contentious point about fish stock in microwaved risottos

I don't think Dura_Ace is an antivaxxer in the pure sense.

Only Misty and Contrarian are/were only bona fide antivaxxers.

AIUI DA as a convinced vegan refuses to take the vaccine because it was tested on animals.

Which is fair enough even if I think he's wrong.

Contrarian, both in that name and as Misty, is just a complete bellend. A conspiracy theorist nut with a small brain and a massive ego.

Did we ever find out if he actually does work for the DfE or SLC?

I’m going to defend MISTY

He/she is a valuable poster from the Trumpite right (albeit British). This is a voice almost unheard on PB, but it represents 74m English speakers in America, and we need to listen

It will be a sad day on PB when we chase people off just for having contrary and unpopular opinions. That’s surely the joy of the site. All get a hearing, as long as they obey the rules and don’t mention that Mike SMITHSON is going a bit thin on top

Nah, he's just an imbecile. Half the time he doesn't seem to know what he's posted.

A day or so ago he was blasting Biden for calling Trump a fascist and asking if Lincoln would have said that.

When I pointed out Lincoln had said much worse than that about the confederates, he went off on an incredible drunken rant about how that wasn't important because they were just words.

Fair enough. You’re entitled to your opinion, natch

Just don’t ban people for being imbeciles - or Trumpites. Let all voices join the choir. Free speech is getting ever rarer as all sides polarise. pb Is a splendid exception. I may have to stop before I get emotional

ydoethur said:

Most incredible storm in the Midlands right now. Epicentre AFAICS is somewhere near Walsall. Lightning, thunder and torrential rain.

TheScreamingEagles said:

FrankBooth said:

Can we please spare a thought at this difficult time for OGH. What were his odds on Sunak?

Did anyone else initially think Sunak had won because they were following this thread and saw Hyufd's numbers?

250/1

I spoke to OGH earlier on this evening, he made a profit on this market.

Benpointer said:

Leon said:

theakes said:

Problem is not Truss, Sunak etc, it is the Tory brand. Like all governments round about 12 years they have reached their sell by date. So many occasions, 1908 -16, Liberal led, 1931 - 1945( National and Coalition, 1951 - 1964 (Conservative), 1979 - 1997 (Conservative, really it should have happened in 1992, 1997 - 2010, (Labour), now the general perception is Conservative 2010 - present.
There is an inevitability about it, it is that time again, "We need a change", and there is no Corbyn to even delay the process.
It cannot be stopped, whatever the Daily Express may try and say.

Yes. My reading too. Labour will really have to screw up to lose in 2024

The Tories are done for now, barring a black swan

We've had enough of those, thank-you!

Btw Greetings from Lago di Como. Beautiful, balmy, belissimo!

Leon said:

wooliedyed said:

Cyclefree said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

FrankBooth said:

Casino_Royale said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

kle4 said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Leon said:

Weird troll. What’s the point?

I read a report that predicted a rise in Russian sponsored troll activity around the time the Ruskies would cut off gas to the West.

It is to sow discord.

The irony is on here it just unites us more, I think 99% of this board are pro vaccines, so we united and laugh at them.

But, with all respect, why here?

We're an agenda setting blog, I think 30% of our traffic emanates from Westminster IP addresses.

Dave (pbuh) was a lurker whilst he was LOTO and PM.

What amuses me is how comments (and that's below the line, from regular posters) can suspiciously work their way into MSM op-eds within 24-48 hours of their first appearance on here, and only on here.

Good grief. I wish I was aware of this stuff. Are you suggesting we are getting plagiarised? I was convinced for quite some time that a very well known former spin doctor was posting on here prolifically but reluctantly concluded that it wasn't him.

I've had quite a few of my pieces homaged within days, particularly the data heavy stuff.

TLG86's pieces on population/birth rates were lifted recently as well.

Some of my stuff has been borrowed too.

Once the Norfolk MPs (including the new PM) start pushing hard on the restoration of the Wuffingas Kingdom i'll know i've got some real clout

I’m pretty sure one well known Spectator writer just steals my stuff wholesale and turns it into articles on the magazine. Frankly, I don’t know what to do about it. Gone beyond a joke now

ydoethur said:

Leon said:

ydoethur said:

Leon said:

ydoethur said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Leon said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Leon said:

Weird troll. What’s the point?

I read a report that predicted a rise in Russian sponsored troll activity around the time the Ruskies would cut off gas to the West.

It is to sow discord.

The irony is on here it just unites us more, I think 99% of this board are pro vaccines, so we united and laugh at them.

Yes. Didn’t do much research

One of the few things we DON’T argue about is the vax. Even @Dura_Ace - our only anti vaxxer? - lies low on this issue and is thereby tolerated

The troll should have waded in with a contentious point about fish stock in microwaved risottos

I don't think Dura_Ace is an antivaxxer in the pure sense.

Only Misty and Contrarian are/were only bona fide antivaxxers.

AIUI DA as a convinced vegan refuses to take the vaccine because it was tested on animals.

Which is fair enough even if I think he's wrong.

Contrarian, both in that name and as Misty, is just a complete bellend. A conspiracy theorist nut with a small brain and a massive ego.

Did we ever find out if he actually does work for the DfE or SLC?

I’m going to defend MISTY

He/she is a valuable poster from the Trumpite right (albeit British). This is a voice almost unheard on PB, but it represents 74m English speakers in America, and we need to listen

It will be a sad day on PB when we chase people off just for having contrary and unpopular opinions. That’s surely the joy of the site. All get a hearing, as long as they obey the rules and don’t mention that Mike SMITHSON is going a bit thin on top

Nah, he's just an imbecile. Half the time he doesn't seem to know what he's posted.

A day or so ago he was blasting Biden for calling Trump a fascist and asking if Lincoln would have said that.

When I pointed out Lincoln had said much worse than that about the confederates, he went off on an incredible drunken rant about how that wasn't important because they were just words.

Fair enough. You’re entitled to your opinion, natch

Just don’t ban people for being imbeciles - or Trumpites. Let all voices join the choir. Free speech is getting ever rarer as all sides polarise. pb Is a splendid exception. I may have to stop before I get emotional

I don't think I've ever suggested anyone be banned, although I could be wrong. Not even our favourite ex-army officer, who got very hot under the collar and abusive to the extent of actually libelling me after I criticised him for being a bully, as is his wont.

I haven't, for the matter of that, asked for Misty to be banned. I'm just pointing out he's a nasty piece of work and totally unreliable.

WhisperingOracle said:

The Guardian comment section is on top of all the major current social issues today, I see.

"My online chess addiction was ruining my life. Something had to change".

Elsewhere is a confused article first celebrating the lack of white men in key positions in the new government, but then apparebtly switching to saying these are the wrong sort of non-white men.

Carnyx said:

BartholomewRoberts said:

Carnyx said:

BartholomewRoberts said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

BartholomewRoberts said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

stodge said:

Mid evening all

A trip up to Scotland for Liz Truss tomorrow and she will return "in triumph" to give us all a glimpse into many think will be a return to 1979.

As I've said before, the Thatcherites had the not inconsiderable assistance of North Sea Oil, Privatisation receipts and a group of desperate idiots in Buenos Aires.

I'd certainly argue Truss faces as daunting an in-tray as any incoming PM since Thatcher but one can also argue a lot of the problems are going to be hard for her to control directly. She can do nothing, for example, directly about the conflict in the Ukraine and she can do little about the fact of rising energy prices - both oil and gas rose in price today and it seems we may have to adjust to $90 a barrel oil as the "new normal".

I remain a simpleton at heart compared to what I'm informed are the towering intellects on this forum - if the plan is to freeze energy bills for the consumers, fine, I get that but the fact remains the gas and electricity is being supplied at higher prices so someone is going to have to pay the balance - the Government presumably?

I also remain bemused at how, given an annual debt interest of £100 billion and the other myriad calls on the public purse such as defence, health, pensions and the Police (all of which, we are told by Conservatives, are vital), there is any scope for more than a gesture in terms of reducing taxes and even then is that shortfall in revenue to be met by public expenditure reductions and if so, what, where and when?

The more thoughtful local authorities, who are curious beasts by nature, are already war gaming 10-15% net reductions in Government financial support and the impact on Service provision. Some are already trying to sell off their mostly unused office space (I see central Government is trying to sell off £1.5 billion of office estate so JRM's plan to get the civil servants back to their desks, like all his other stupid ideas, is all image and no substance).

It would be churlish not to wish Truss and the new Government well - I disagree with her at a fundamental philosophical level and I hope she and her Ministers adopt a less ideological and more pragmatic aspect in terms of practical governing (the successful PMs know when to be ideologues and when to be sensible in Government).

Good post and of course the NI reverse was largely mitigated when Sunak excluded those earning £34,000 or less

Th CBI said today that they pay 19% corporation tax already, but that in April an uplift to 25% was unwelcome i this climate

Sunak never excluded those earning £34k or less. He excluded those earning about £12k or less.

He excluded them from this years NI rise

No he did not. That's just not true. There is no £34k threshold where tax rates change.

The marginal tax rate someone on say £19k per annum is absolutely higher now than it was in March.

Why then do HYUFD and BigG keep chanting 34K like some mantra, if I recall rightly? There must be some directive from CCHW somewhere. Would be interested to know the logic, if only to see who turns out to be right. Is there some confusion between NI and "tax"?

Because the starting rate tax threshold went up to compensate, and £34k is the crossover rate at which you pay more than you gained from the tax threshold changes.

Except taxing less the first £12k doesn't help address the fact that the marginal tax rate for someone over £12 can be obscenely high and has gone up further now. It also doesn't address the fact that those earning under £34k, many of them will be earning more and thus paying more in the future.

Plus we have the fact that tax thresholds are frozen at the minute so being rapidly eroded by inflation rather than a triple lock. So the "giveaway" of raising the threshold to £12k will be rapidly eroded by inflation, but the tax rise will remain.

Finally I believe £34k is the figure if you only look at employees NI. Employer NI is a tax on that employees wages too and is a payroll tax that suppresses wages so excluding it is just plain dodgy accounting.

Thanks. And of course the crossover would presumably be c. 30K in 2023/24 money, too.

Leon said:

ydoethur said:

Leon said:

ydoethur said:

Leon said:

ydoethur said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Leon said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Leon said:

Weird troll. What’s the point?

I read a report that predicted a rise in Russian sponsored troll activity around the time the Ruskies would cut off gas to the West.

It is to sow discord.

The irony is on here it just unites us more, I think 99% of this board are pro vaccines, so we united and laugh at them.

Yes. Didn’t do much research

One of the few things we DON’T argue about is the vax. Even @Dura_Ace - our only anti vaxxer? - lies low on this issue and is thereby tolerated

The troll should have waded in with a contentious point about fish stock in microwaved risottos

I don't think Dura_Ace is an antivaxxer in the pure sense.

Only Misty and Contrarian are/were only bona fide antivaxxers.

AIUI DA as a convinced vegan refuses to take the vaccine because it was tested on animals.

Which is fair enough even if I think he's wrong.

Contrarian, both in that name and as Misty, is just a complete bellend. A conspiracy theorist nut with a small brain and a massive ego.

Did we ever find out if he actually does work for the DfE or SLC?

I’m going to defend MISTY

He/she is a valuable poster from the Trumpite right (albeit British). This is a voice almost unheard on PB, but it represents 74m English speakers in America, and we need to listen

It will be a sad day on PB when we chase people off just for having contrary and unpopular opinions. That’s surely the joy of the site. All get a hearing, as long as they obey the rules and don’t mention that Mike SMITHSON is going a bit thin on top

Nah, he's just an imbecile. Half the time he doesn't seem to know what he's posted.

A day or so ago he was blasting Biden for calling Trump a fascist and asking if Lincoln would have said that.

When I pointed out Lincoln had said much worse than that about the confederates, he went off on an incredible drunken rant about how that wasn't important because they were just words.

Fair enough. You’re entitled to your opinion, natch

Just don’t ban people for being imbeciles - or Trumpites. Let all voices join the choir. Free speech is getting ever rarer as all sides polarise. pb Is a splendid exception. I may have to stop before I get emotional

I don't think I've ever suggested anyone be banned, although I could be wrong. Not even our favourite ex-army officer, who got very hot under the collar and abusive to the extent of actually libelling me after I criticised him for being a bully, as is his wont.

I haven't, for the matter of that, asked for Misty to be banned. I'm just pointing out he's a nasty piece of work and totally unreliable.

Indeed. You haven’t called for anyone to be banned IIRC

Tho that starts to make me suspicious. Perhaps you should be banned for being weirdly reasonable at all times

Leon said:

Benpointer said:

Benpointer said:

Leon said:

theakes said:

Problem is not Truss, Sunak etc, it is the Tory brand. Like all governments round about 12 years they have reached their sell by date. So many occasions, 1908 -16, Liberal led, 1931 - 1945( National and Coalition, 1951 - 1964 (Conservative), 1979 - 1997 (Conservative, really it should have happened in 1992, 1997 - 2010, (Labour), now the general perception is Conservative 2010 - present.
There is an inevitability about it, it is that time again, "We need a change", and there is no Corbyn to even delay the process.
It cannot be stopped, whatever the Daily Express may try and say.

Yes. My reading too. Labour will really have to screw up to lose in 2024

The Tories are done for now, barring a black swan

We've had enough of those, thank-you!

Btw Greetings from Lago di Como. Beautiful, balmy, belissimo!

Hotel La Darsena

Ahhhhh that’s lovely. The Italian lakes

My dear old mum swears by them as a cure for any emotional ailment. Any grief, sadness or heartbreak. She has a point

IshmaelZ said:

Scott_xP said:

From Isabel’s Spec Evening Blend 😂 https://twitter.com/fifisyms/status/1566889933117194241/photo/1

The big what?