BBC economics editor saying that Truss and her team are engaged with energy companies as of now to agree a 2 year energy price cap for consumers at a cost of approximately 90 billion
Additional a price cap of some sort will also apply to small businesses inflating the figure over £100 billion
If Truss announces this scheme or something similar than the debate changes and of course consumers will be relieved
And before anyone says windfall taxes will pay for this they simply will not, and it is likely to be a scheme payable over 20 years on energy bills
So another loan scheme, this time mortgaging our children.
Is cynical to believe that 2 years is in scope because Labour offered 1 year. Are they really that petty? Surely not.
I like your talking points, nicely put! I remember the Farnham Herald from when we used to spend our summers at my grandparents' house. Frencham Pond, the Watercress Line, the Maltings... Happy days.
BBC economics editor saying that Truss and her team are engaged with energy companies as of now to agree a 2 year energy price cap for consumers at a cost of approximately 90 billion
Additional a price cap of some sort will also apply to small businesses inflating the figure over £100 billion
If Truss announces this scheme or something similar than the debate changes and of course consumers will be relieved
And before anyone says windfall taxes will pay for this they simply will not, and it is likely to be a scheme payable over 20 years on energy bills
So another loan scheme, this time mortgaging our children.
Is cynical to believe that 2 years is in scope because Labour offered 1 year. Are they really that petty? Surely not.
Labour offered six months until April 23, and as I said earlier this scheme seems similar to the one Sturgeon supports and the one Germany has just put in place
I'm sure it's nothing to worry about but Binance have decided to auto-convert users stable coin assets into it's own stablecoin BUSD. I'm sure this happening after Binance has been seeing sustained massive withdrawls of USDC is a coincidence and everything is fine.
I quite like Priti Patel - or at least I weirdly fancy her - but she had one job, and she failed. Exeunt
So how would you solve the problem in a way that doesn't break international and maritime law???
Change the law. Quit the ECHR. Enact Rwanda
The point about Rwanda is that you don’t actually have to send that many people. As soon as you start doing it with determination the boats will stop. No one will risk the crossing. Why pay £2000 and endanger your life only to end up in Africa?
Is it cruel? Yes, no doubt. Does it stop something that simply cannot go on? Also yes. It is a necessary evil
I quite like Priti Patel - or at least I weirdly fancy her - but she had one job, and she failed. Exeunt
So how would you solve the problem in a way that doesn't break international and maritime law???
Change the law. Quit the ECHR. Enact Rwanda
The point about Rwanda is that you don’t actually have to send that many people. As soon as you start doing it with determination the boats will stop. No one will risk the crossing. Why pay £2000 and endanger your life only to end up in Africa?
Is it cruel? Yes, no doubt. Does it stop something that simply cannot go on? Also yes. It is a necessary evil
Enact Rwanda where we have been granted the right to send how many hundreds of refugees????
BBC economics editor saying that Truss and her team are engaged with energy companies as of now to agree a 2 year energy price cap for consumers at a cost of approximately 90 billion
Additional a price cap of some sort will also apply to small businesses inflating the figure over £100 billion
If Truss announces this scheme or something similar than the debate changes and of course consumers will be relieved
And before anyone says windfall taxes will pay for this they simply will not, and it is likely to be a scheme payable over 20 years on energy bills
So another loan scheme, this time mortgaging our children.
Is cynical to believe that 2 years is in scope because Labour offered 1 year. Are they really that petty? Surely not.
It may look petty to you, from here. People who are no keener on freezing to death in 23-24 than they are in 22-23 will regard it as pretty substantial. The fact it makes SKS look a short sighted dick is a bonus.
BBC economics editor saying that Truss and her team are engaged with energy companies as of now to agree a 2 year energy price cap for consumers at a cost of approximately 90 billion
Additional a price cap of some sort will also apply to small businesses inflating the figure over £100 billion
If Truss announces this scheme or something similar than the debate changes and of course consumers will be relieved
And before anyone says windfall taxes will pay for this they simply will not, and it is likely to be a scheme payable over 20 years on energy bills
So another loan scheme, this time mortgaging our children.
Is cynical to believe that 2 years is in scope because Labour offered 1 year. Are they really that petty? Surely not.
Labour offered six months until April 23, and as I said earlier this scheme seems similar to the one Sturgeon supports and the one Germany has just put in place
A massive transfer of wealth from the tax payer to the energy firms in the next two years to be paid back in future by the energy bill payer?
I expect that it will be a modest turnout. I am working this weekend, otherwise might have made the effort.
Why would the EU take us back ?
Because we would increase the size of the single market, and add to the spending money through contributions. You’d imagine they’d want to make it a bit harder to get cold feet though.
BBC economics editor saying that Truss and her team are engaged with energy companies as of now to agree a 2 year energy price cap for consumers at a cost of approximately 90 billion
Additional a price cap of some sort will also apply to small businesses inflating the figure over £100 billion
If Truss announces this scheme or something similar than the debate changes and of course consumers will be relieved
And before anyone says windfall taxes will pay for this they simply will not, and it is likely to be a scheme payable over 20 years on energy bills
So another loan scheme, this time mortgaging our children.
Is cynical to believe that 2 years is in scope because Labour offered 1 year. Are they really that petty? Surely not.
Labour offered six months until April 23, and as I said earlier this scheme seems similar to the one Sturgeon supports and the one Germany has just put in place
Starmer went too early and too shallow. From April 'your bills would be 4 etc times bigger under Labour'
BBC economics editor saying that Truss and her team are engaged with energy companies as of now to agree a 2 year energy price cap for consumers at a cost of approximately 90 billion
Additional a price cap of some sort will also apply to small businesses inflating the figure over £100 billion
If Truss announces this scheme or something similar than the debate changes and of course consumers will be relieved
And before anyone says windfall taxes will pay for this they simply will not, and it is likely to be a scheme payable over 20 years on energy bills
So another loan scheme, this time mortgaging our children.
Is cynical to believe that 2 years is in scope because Labour offered 1 year. Are they really that petty? Surely not.
It may look petty to you, from here. People who are no keener on freezing to death in 23-24 than they are in 22-23 will regard it as pretty substantial. The fact it makes SKS look a short sighted dick is a bonus.
BBC economics editor saying that Truss and her team are engaged with energy companies as of now to agree a 2 year energy price cap for consumers at a cost of approximately 90 billion
Additional a price cap of some sort will also apply to small businesses inflating the figure over £100 billion
If Truss announces this scheme or something similar than the debate changes and of course consumers will be relieved
And before anyone says windfall taxes will pay for this they simply will not, and it is likely to be a scheme payable over 20 years on energy bills
So another loan scheme, this time mortgaging our children.
Is cynical to believe that 2 years is in scope because Labour offered 1 year. Are they really that petty? Surely not.
More likely a pragmatic realisation that the gas supply issue won’t be solved in a year. And the election in May 2024 will be held within the two year freeze.
I expect that it will be a modest turnout. I am working this weekend, otherwise might have made the effort.
Shame. The rage filled afternoon of some folk arguing over the numbers attending that big pro EU march in London was one of the highlights of Brexit.
I didn't make the first surprisingly large march, but glad I made the two later marches. A great atmosphere and a real pleasure.
And an utterly tragic waste of time, which paradoxically ensured we got a Hard Hard Brexit, as Remoanery people like you tried to cancel a democratic vote, sending Leavers understandably insane
BBC economics editor saying that Truss and her team are engaged with energy companies as of now to agree a 2 year energy price cap for consumers at a cost of approximately 90 billion
Additional a price cap of some sort will also apply to small businesses inflating the figure over £100 billion
If Truss announces this scheme or something similar than the debate changes and of course consumers will be relieved
And before anyone says windfall taxes will pay for this they simply will not, and it is likely to be a scheme payable over 20 years on energy bills
So another loan scheme, this time mortgaging our children.
Is cynical to believe that 2 years is in scope because Labour offered 1 year. Are they really that petty? Surely not.
Labour offered six months until April 23, and as I said earlier this scheme seems similar to the one Sturgeon supports and the one Germany has just put in place
So the taxpayer subsidises millionaire footballers’ energy bills rather than the excess profits of energy companies doing it. You must be outraged!
I expect that it will be a modest turnout. I am working this weekend, otherwise might have made the effort.
Shame. The rage filled afternoon of some folk arguing over the numbers attending that big pro EU march in London was one of the highlights of Brexit.
I didn't make the first surprisingly large march, but glad I made the two later marches. A great atmosphere and a real pleasure.
And an utterly tragic waste of time, which paradoxically ensured we got a Hard Hard Brexit, as Remoanery people like you tried to cancel a democratic vote, sending Leavers understandably insane
Well done. Really. Well done
We got a hard Brexit because of Theresa May's red lines and Boris Johnson's opportunism. No other principal reason.
I expect that it will be a modest turnout. I am working this weekend, otherwise might have made the effort.
Shame. The rage filled afternoon of some folk arguing over the numbers attending that big pro EU march in London was one of the highlights of Brexit.
I didn't make the first surprisingly large march, but glad I made the two later marches. A great atmosphere and a real pleasure.
And an utterly tragic waste of time, which paradoxically ensured we got a Hard Hard Brexit, as Remoanery people like you tried to cancel a democratic vote, sending Leavers understandably insane
Well done. Really. Well done
If Brexit is so good, why do Leavers keep trying to blame Remainers for it?
BBC economics editor saying that Truss and her team are engaged with energy companies as of now to agree a 2 year energy price cap for consumers at a cost of approximately 90 billion
Additional a price cap of some sort will also apply to small businesses inflating the figure over £100 billion
If Truss announces this scheme or something similar than the debate changes and of course consumers will be relieved
And before anyone says windfall taxes will pay for this they simply will not, and it is likely to be a scheme payable over 20 years on energy bills
So another loan scheme, this time mortgaging our children.
Is cynical to believe that 2 years is in scope because Labour offered 1 year. Are they really that petty? Surely not.
Labour offered six months until April 23, and as I said earlier this scheme seems similar to the one Sturgeon supports and the one Germany has just put in place
Starmer went too early and too shallow. From April 'your bills would be 4 etc times bigger under Labour'
Good luck with that one. Easy to deal with. Peoples bills were significantly lower under Labour when inflation was kept low. The only reason they’re capped at all is because Labour forced the issue. The Tories have mortgaged your children rather than deal with excess profits.
I expect that it will be a modest turnout. I am working this weekend, otherwise might have made the effort.
Shame. The rage filled afternoon of some folk arguing over the numbers attending that big pro EU march in London was one of the highlights of Brexit.
I didn't make the first surprisingly large march, but glad I made the two later marches. A great atmosphere and a real pleasure.
And an utterly tragic waste of time, which paradoxically ensured we got a Hard Hard Brexit, as Remoanery people like you tried to cancel a democratic vote, sending Leavers understandably insane
Well done. Really. Well done
We got a hard Brexit because of Theresa May's red lines and Boris Johnson's opportunism. No other principal reason.
Ah, Leon's got half a point on this one. There were people willing to compromise, and could have overruled May's red lines, we saw parliament nearly do so, but there was a gang of extremists to match the ERG who decided to bet everything on winning it all. It was not coincidence that saw them walking through the lobbies with Rees-Mogg and Baker.
BBC economics editor saying that Truss and her team are engaged with energy companies as of now to agree a 2 year energy price cap for consumers at a cost of approximately 90 billion
Additional a price cap of some sort will also apply to small businesses inflating the figure over £100 billion
If Truss announces this scheme or something similar than the debate changes and of course consumers will be relieved
And before anyone says windfall taxes will pay for this they simply will not, and it is likely to be a scheme payable over 20 years on energy bills
By 2100 the population of Africa will surpass that of Asia, and with global warming will mean massive migration to more temperate climes.
And what would you do about it?
I don't think we can do much about it. I think we are too late to stop global climate change.
And the migrants? Are we also helpless?
Last night to the flicks. All war films. One very good one of a ship full of refugees being bombed somewhere in the Mediterranean. Audience much amused by shots of a great huge fat man trying to swim away with a helicopter after him, first you saw him wallowing along in the water like a porpoise, then you saw him through the helicopters gunsights, then he was full of holes and the sea round him turned pink and he sank as suddenly as though the holes had let in the water, audience shouting with laughter when he sank. then you saw a lifeboat full of children with a helicopter hovering over it. there was a middle-aged woman might have been a jewess sitting up in the bow with a little boy about three years old in her arms. little boy screaming with fright and hiding his head between her breasts as if he was trying to burrow right into her and the woman putting her arms round him and comforting him although she was blue with fright herself, all the time covering him up as much as possible as if she thought her arms could keep the bullets off him. then the helicopter planted a 20 kilo bomb in among them terrific flash and the boat went all to matchwood. Then there was a wonderful shot of a child’s arm going up up up right up into the air a helicopter with a camera in its nose must have followed it up and there was a lot of applause from the party seats.
I expect that it will be a modest turnout. I am working this weekend, otherwise might have made the effort.
Shame. The rage filled afternoon of some folk arguing over the numbers attending that big pro EU march in London was one of the highlights of Brexit.
I didn't make the first surprisingly large march, but glad I made the two later marches. A great atmosphere and a real pleasure.
And an utterly tragic waste of time, which paradoxically ensured we got a Hard Hard Brexit, as Remoanery people like you tried to cancel a democratic vote, sending Leavers understandably insane
Well done. Really. Well done
If Brexit is so good, why do Leavers keep trying to blame Remainers for it?
I've not seen anyone do that in those terms, but surely it's a fair cop to blame unreconciled Remainers for the ongoing division, just as it was fair to blame Eurosceptics for stoking division while we were members.
It will be interesting to see what the attendance is like for the march, but it's unlikely to come anywhere near the ones when Brexit was a live issue.
By 2100 the population of Africa will surpass that of Asia, and with global warming will mean massive migration to more temperate climes.
And what would you do about it?
I don't think we can do much about it. I think we are too late to stop global climate change.
And the migrants? Are we also helpless?
In practice, yes.
These are people who walk across deserts, who travel across Med and Channel in overcrowded dinghies.
The only viable way is to fine employers of illegal immigrants in a Swiss style system, but we should also encourage legal migration of appropriately qualified people.
I expect that it will be a modest turnout. I am working this weekend, otherwise might have made the effort.
Shame. The rage filled afternoon of some folk arguing over the numbers attending that big pro EU march in London was one of the highlights of Brexit.
I didn't make the first surprisingly large march, but glad I made the two later marches. A great atmosphere and a real pleasure.
And an utterly tragic waste of time, which paradoxically ensured we got a Hard Hard Brexit, as Remoanery people like you tried to cancel a democratic vote, sending Leavers understandably insane
Well done. Really. Well done
We got a hard Brexit because of Theresa May's red lines and Boris Johnson's opportunism. No other principal reason.
i was going to type a long angry reply to this, but hey
I’m drinking a MAHOOHOOHOOHOOHOOHOOHOOHOOSIVE gin and tonic on a delightful Portuguese patio, with a distant view of the sea. A fountain plays. Life, for the moment, is sweet. We Brexited. And they just brought me brilliant nibbles
By 2100 the population of Africa will surpass that of Asia, and with global warming will mean massive migration to more temperate climes.
And what would you do about it?
I don't think we can do much about it. I think we are too late to stop global climate change.
And the migrants? Are we also helpless?
In practice, yes.
These are people who walk across deserts, who travel across Med and Channel in overcrowded dinghies.
The only viable way is to fine employers of illegal immigrants in a Swiss style system, but we should also encourage legal migration of appropriately qualified people.
"In practice" means "given the constraints that we place upon ourselves", but those are voluntary. If we seriously wanted to stop it then we could.
BBC economics editor saying that Truss and her team are engaged with energy companies as of now to agree a 2 year energy price cap for consumers at a cost of approximately 90 billion
Additional a price cap of some sort will also apply to small businesses inflating the figure over £100 billion
If Truss announces this scheme or something similar than the debate changes and of course consumers will be relieved
And before anyone says windfall taxes will pay for this they simply will not, and it is likely to be a scheme payable over 20 years on energy bills
Depends on the level of the cap.
But yeah, make millennials pay for it. Again.
Yes. And then when you are old and grey your kids and grandkids will pay (and moan about it) for you. That’s why national economics is not the same as household budgets.
BBC economics editor saying that Truss and her team are engaged with energy companies as of now to agree a 2 year energy price cap for consumers at a cost of approximately 90 billion
Additional a price cap of some sort will also apply to small businesses inflating the figure over £100 billion
If Truss announces this scheme or something similar than the debate changes and of course consumers will be relieved
And before anyone says windfall taxes will pay for this they simply will not, and it is likely to be a scheme payable over 20 years on energy bills
So another loan scheme, this time mortgaging our children.
Is cynical to believe that 2 years is in scope because Labour offered 1 year. Are they really that petty? Surely not.
Labour offered six months until April 23, and as I said earlier this scheme seems similar to the one Sturgeon supports and the one Germany has just put in place
Starmer went too early and too shallow. From April 'your bills would be 4 etc times bigger under Labour'
And they are refusing to lay out a response to what happens in April when domestic bills rise to £6,000
I expect that it will be a modest turnout. I am working this weekend, otherwise might have made the effort.
Shame. The rage filled afternoon of some folk arguing over the numbers attending that big pro EU march in London was one of the highlights of Brexit.
I didn't make the first surprisingly large march, but glad I made the two later marches. A great atmosphere and a real pleasure.
And an utterly tragic waste of time, which paradoxically ensured we got a Hard Hard Brexit, as Remoanery people like you tried to cancel a democratic vote, sending Leavers understandably insane
Well done. Really. Well done
We got a hard Brexit because of Theresa May's red lines and Boris Johnson's opportunism. No other principal reason.
Ah, Leon's got half a point on this one. There were people willing to compromise, and could have overruled May's red lines, we saw parliament nearly do so, but there was a gang of extremists to match the ERG who decided to bet everything on winning it all. It was not coincidence that saw them walking through the lobbies with Rees-Mogg and Baker.
That's to rewrite history. Grieve and the others only came in when May had already sufficiently caved in to the extremists on her side to be threatening no-deal as a negotiating tactic, and even then it was entirely a internal Tory affair of the ERG exerting greater influence than the One Nation group, later to be thrown out by Johnson. The only significant supplement to that was Corbyn offering no olive-branch to the remainers within the Tory Party, so in fact the forces of a more moderate Brexit were too weakly, rather than too strongly, organised throughout the Commons,
BBC economics editor saying that Truss and her team are engaged with energy companies as of now to agree a 2 year energy price cap for consumers at a cost of approximately 90 billion
Additional a price cap of some sort will also apply to small businesses inflating the figure over £100 billion
If Truss announces this scheme or something similar than the debate changes and of course consumers will be relieved
And before anyone says windfall taxes will pay for this they simply will not, and it is likely to be a scheme payable over 20 years on energy bills
Depends on the level of the cap.
But yeah, make millennials pay for it. Again.
Yes. And then when you are old and grey your kids and grandkids will pay (and moan about it) for you. That’s why national economics is not the same as household budgets.
Rubbish. The middle aged and retired have been piling peacetime debt upon the young for nigh on 30 years.
BBC economics editor saying that Truss and her team are engaged with energy companies as of now to agree a 2 year energy price cap for consumers at a cost of approximately 90 billion
Additional a price cap of some sort will also apply to small businesses inflating the figure over £100 billion
If Truss announces this scheme or something similar than the debate changes and of course consumers will be relieved
And before anyone says windfall taxes will pay for this they simply will not, and it is likely to be a scheme payable over 20 years on energy bills
So another loan scheme, this time mortgaging our children.
Is cynical to believe that 2 years is in scope because Labour offered 1 year. Are they really that petty? Surely not.
Labour offered six months until April 23, and as I said earlier this scheme seems similar to the one Sturgeon supports and the one Germany has just put in place
So the taxpayer subsidises millionaire footballers’ energy bills rather than the excess profits of energy companies doing it. You must be outraged!
As you know I want targeted help but they can be dealt with through the tax system
I expect that it will be a modest turnout. I am working this weekend, otherwise might have made the effort.
Shame. The rage filled afternoon of some folk arguing over the numbers attending that big pro EU march in London was one of the highlights of Brexit.
I didn't make the first surprisingly large march, but glad I made the two later marches. A great atmosphere and a real pleasure.
And an utterly tragic waste of time, which paradoxically ensured we got a Hard Hard Brexit, as Remoanery people like you tried to cancel a democratic vote, sending Leavers understandably insane
Well done. Really. Well done
When do you lot expect to recover your sanity? A wee dab of ECT perhaps?
By 2100 the population of Africa will surpass that of Asia, and with global warming will mean massive migration to more temperate climes.
And what would you do about it?
I don't think we can do much about it. I think we are too late to stop global climate change.
And the migrants? Are we also helpless?
Essentially yes. There's a whole lot of empty rhetoric about putting a stop to irregular migration, but no likely UK Government - Tory or otherwise - is prepared to be nasty enough to do anything truly effective about the problem. The politicians know it and so do the migrants, which is why the flow continues entirely unchecked.
BBC economics editor saying that Truss and her team are engaged with energy companies as of now to agree a 2 year energy price cap for consumers at a cost of approximately 90 billion
Additional a price cap of some sort will also apply to small businesses inflating the figure over £100 billion
If Truss announces this scheme or something similar than the debate changes and of course consumers will be relieved
And before anyone says windfall taxes will pay for this they simply will not, and it is likely to be a scheme payable over 20 years on energy bills
So another loan scheme, this time mortgaging our children.
Is cynical to believe that 2 years is in scope because Labour offered 1 year. Are they really that petty? Surely not.
Labour offered six months until April 23, and as I said earlier this scheme seems similar to the one Sturgeon supports and the one Germany has just put in place
Starmer went too early and too shallow. From April 'your bills would be 4 etc times bigger under Labour'
And they are refusing to lay out a response to what happens in April when domestic bills rise to £6,000
Oh to be fair they are offering to insulate a few houses by 2040 or something
I expect that it will be a modest turnout. I am working this weekend, otherwise might have made the effort.
Shame. The rage filled afternoon of some folk arguing over the numbers attending that big pro EU march in London was one of the highlights of Brexit.
I didn't make the first surprisingly large march, but glad I made the two later marches. A great atmosphere and a real pleasure.
And an utterly tragic waste of time, which paradoxically ensured we got a Hard Hard Brexit, as Remoanery people like you tried to cancel a democratic vote, sending Leavers understandably insane
Well done. Really. Well done
We got a hard Brexit because of Theresa May's red lines and Boris Johnson's opportunism. No other principal reason.
Ah, Leon's got half a point on this one. There were people willing to compromise, and could have overruled May's red lines, we saw parliament nearly do so, but there was a gang of extremists to match the ERG who decided to bet everything on winning it all. It was not coincidence that saw them walking through the lobbies with Rees-Mogg and Baker.
That's not blame, its explanation.
When the history of the period is written with proper hindsight, Brexit, and the type of Brexit we got, will be shown to have had many parents. Absolutely some hardline remainers gambled everything on overturning the vote, and as a result ended up with the situation we have now. I think an awful lot of leavers didn’t want to leave the single market, just the political machinery of the EU. We are where we are. Future governments can take a different direction.
By 2100 the population of Africa will surpass that of Asia, and with global warming will mean massive migration to more temperate climes.
And what would you do about it?
I don't think we can do much about it. I think we are too late to stop global climate change.
And the migrants? Are we also helpless?
In practice, yes.
These are people who walk across deserts, who travel across Med and Channel in overcrowded dinghies.
The only viable way is to fine employers of illegal immigrants in a Swiss style system, but we should also encourage legal migration of appropriately qualified people.
To be fair, you are honest. That’s creditable
The people who annoy me are the wets who pretend there is some really easy fix - “be nicer to France”, “check employee status” - which for some obscure reason we are not doing. There is no easy fix. Every viable fix is going to hurt people
Yours would hurt British people and regular migrants, as the borders are essentially opened. Mine would hurt the dinghy people and those that profit from them
BBC economics editor saying that Truss and her team are engaged with energy companies as of now to agree a 2 year energy price cap for consumers at a cost of approximately 90 billion
Additional a price cap of some sort will also apply to small businesses inflating the figure over £100 billion
If Truss announces this scheme or something similar than the debate changes and of course consumers will be relieved
And before anyone says windfall taxes will pay for this they simply will not, and it is likely to be a scheme payable over 20 years on energy bills
So another loan scheme, this time mortgaging our children.
Is cynical to believe that 2 years is in scope because Labour offered 1 year. Are they really that petty? Surely not.
Labour offered six months until April 23, and as I said earlier this scheme seems similar to the one Sturgeon supports and the one Germany has just put in place
Starmer went too early and too shallow. From April 'your bills would be 4 etc times bigger under Labour'
And they are refusing to lay out a response to what happens in April when domestic bills rise to £6,000
Oh to be fair they are offering to insulate a few houses by 2040 or something
If they can find the labour force - the demand is presently through the roof ( excuse the pun)
BBC economics editor saying that Truss and her team are engaged with energy companies as of now to agree a 2 year energy price cap for consumers at a cost of approximately 90 billion
Additional a price cap of some sort will also apply to small businesses inflating the figure over £100 billion
If Truss announces this scheme or something similar than the debate changes and of course consumers will be relieved
And before anyone says windfall taxes will pay for this they simply will not, and it is likely to be a scheme payable over 20 years on energy bills
So another loan scheme, this time mortgaging our children.
Is cynical to believe that 2 years is in scope because Labour offered 1 year. Are they really that petty? Surely not.
It may look petty to you, from here. People who are no keener on freezing to death in 23-24 than they are in 22-23 will regard it as pretty substantial. The fact it makes SKS look a short sighted dick is a bonus.
Bless. Someone’s having a bad day. Sympathies.
Yes. I would be tetchy too if I realised I supported a party leader who has just been effortlessly outplayed by liz bloody truss on her first day in the office. Don't you think it looks a bit half-arsed to propose to solve a 22-24 problem with a plan which dies of ehaustion half way through 23?
BBC economics editor saying that Truss and her team are engaged with energy companies as of now to agree a 2 year energy price cap for consumers at a cost of approximately 90 billion
Additional a price cap of some sort will also apply to small businesses inflating the figure over £100 billion
If Truss announces this scheme or something similar than the debate changes and of course consumers will be relieved
And before anyone says windfall taxes will pay for this they simply will not, and it is likely to be a scheme payable over 20 years on energy bills
So another loan scheme, this time mortgaging our children.
Is cynical to believe that 2 years is in scope because Labour offered 1 year. Are they really that petty? Surely not.
Labour offered six months until April 23, and as I said earlier this scheme seems similar to the one Sturgeon supports and the one Germany has just put in place
Starmer went too early and too shallow. From April 'your bills would be 4 etc times bigger under Labour'
And they are refusing to lay out a response to what happens in April when domestic bills rise to £6,000
Oh to be fair they are offering to insulate a few houses by 2040 or something
If they can find the labour force - the demand is presently through the roof ( excuse the pun)
By 2100 the population of Africa will surpass that of Asia, and with global warming will mean massive migration to more temperate climes.
And what would you do about it?
I don't think we can do much about it. I think we are too late to stop global climate change.
And the migrants? Are we also helpless?
Why not just embrace them? They seem keen to be here and Liz Truss says the British are all slackers so we could probably do with a few extra hands to the pump.
By 2100 the population of Africa will surpass that of Asia, and with global warming will mean massive migration to more temperate climes.
And what would you do about it?
I don't think we can do much about it. I think we are too late to stop global climate change.
And the migrants? Are we also helpless?
Last night to the flicks. All war films. One very good one of a ship full of refugees being bombed somewhere in the Mediterranean. Audience much amused by shots of a great huge fat man trying to swim away with a helicopter after him, first you saw him wallowing along in the water like a porpoise, then you saw him through the helicopters gunsights, then he was full of holes and the sea round him turned pink and he sank as suddenly as though the holes had let in the water, audience shouting with laughter when he sank. then you saw a lifeboat full of children with a helicopter hovering over it. there was a middle-aged woman might have been a jewess sitting up in the bow with a little boy about three years old in her arms. little boy screaming with fright and hiding his head between her breasts as if he was trying to burrow right into her and the woman putting her arms round him and comforting him although she was blue with fright herself, all the time covering him up as much as possible as if she thought her arms could keep the bullets off him. then the helicopter planted a 20 kilo bomb in among them terrific flash and the boat went all to matchwood. Then there was a wonderful shot of a child’s arm going up up up right up into the air a helicopter with a camera in its nose must have followed it up and there was a lot of applause from the party seats.
BBC economics editor saying that Truss and her team are engaged with energy companies as of now to agree a 2 year energy price cap for consumers at a cost of approximately 90 billion
Additional a price cap of some sort will also apply to small businesses inflating the figure over £100 billion
If Truss announces this scheme or something similar than the debate changes and of course consumers will be relieved
And before anyone says windfall taxes will pay for this they simply will not, and it is likely to be a scheme payable over 20 years on energy bills
So another loan scheme, this time mortgaging our children.
Is cynical to believe that 2 years is in scope because Labour offered 1 year. Are they really that petty? Surely not.
Labour offered six months until April 23, and as I said earlier this scheme seems similar to the one Sturgeon supports and the one Germany has just put in place
So the taxpayer subsidises millionaire footballers’ energy bills rather than the excess profits of energy companies doing it. You must be outraged!
As you know I want targeted help but they can be dealt with through the tax system
You said helping millionaire footballers via a windfall tax was immoral. Now, it looks like the government will be using taxpayers’ money to do it instead. So it’s us helping the footballers now, not the energy companies. It’s a big win for them.
BBC economics editor saying that Truss and her team are engaged with energy companies as of now to agree a 2 year energy price cap for consumers at a cost of approximately 90 billion
Additional a price cap of some sort will also apply to small businesses inflating the figure over £100 billion
If Truss announces this scheme or something similar than the debate changes and of course consumers will be relieved
And before anyone says windfall taxes will pay for this they simply will not, and it is likely to be a scheme payable over 20 years on energy bills
Do people in general believe the cost of energy is going to come down dramatically of its own accord? If they don't, a temporary freeze to be paid for by higher bills in five or ten years' time may not sound that great.
By 2100 the population of Africa will surpass that of Asia, and with global warming will mean massive migration to more temperate climes.
And what would you do about it?
I don't think we can do much about it. I think we are too late to stop global climate change.
And the migrants? Are we also helpless?
Essentially yes. There's a whole lot of empty rhetoric about putting a stop to irregular migration, but no likely UK Government - Tory or otherwise - is prepared to be nasty enough to do anything truly effective about the problem. The politicians know it and so do the migrants, which is why the flow continues entirely unchecked.
BBC economics editor saying that Truss and her team are engaged with energy companies as of now to agree a 2 year energy price cap for consumers at a cost of approximately 90 billion
Additional a price cap of some sort will also apply to small businesses inflating the figure over £100 billion
If Truss announces this scheme or something similar than the debate changes and of course consumers will be relieved
And before anyone says windfall taxes will pay for this they simply will not, and it is likely to be a scheme payable over 20 years on energy bills
Depends on the level of the cap.
But yeah, make millennials pay for it. Again.
Bonus points if you in the same breath say that borrowing would be unfair on future generations!
Korea is not very big, and solving their population problem would likely be a matter of allowing more immigration. The wild card would be reunification with the bankrupt North.
BBC economics editor saying that Truss and her team are engaged with energy companies as of now to agree a 2 year energy price cap for consumers at a cost of approximately 90 billion
Additional a price cap of some sort will also apply to small businesses inflating the figure over £100 billion
If Truss announces this scheme or something similar than the debate changes and of course consumers will be relieved
And before anyone says windfall taxes will pay for this they simply will not, and it is likely to be a scheme payable over 20 years on energy bills
Do people in general believe the cost of energy is going to come down dramatically of its own accord? If they don't, a temporary freeze to be paid for by higher bills in five or ten years' time may not sound that great.
The 2 years will be used to address supply issues including storage which has just received permission to restart at a cost of 1.5 billion
I would just say so many on here admire Germany who have just implemented a similar scheme, but it is rubbish if it adopted by the UK
I expect that it will be a modest turnout. I am working this weekend, otherwise might have made the effort.
I had lunch today with someone who works closely with hospital doctors
He said that they are working lots of overtime despite the pension issues. He thought it might be the NHS is allowing them to use their service companies to bill anything above the level at which pensions become an issue
That would be a remarkably creative solution… any views?
By 2100 the population of Africa will surpass that of Asia, and with global warming will mean massive migration to more temperate climes.
And what would you do about it?
I don't think we can do much about it. I think we are too late to stop global climate change.
And the migrants? Are we also helpless?
Last night to the flicks. All war films. One very good one of a ship full of refugees being bombed somewhere in the Mediterranean. Audience much amused by shots of a great huge fat man trying to swim away with a helicopter after him, first you saw him wallowing along in the water like a porpoise, then you saw him through the helicopters gunsights, then he was full of holes and the sea round him turned pink and he sank as suddenly as though the holes had let in the water, audience shouting with laughter when he sank. then you saw a lifeboat full of children with a helicopter hovering over it. there was a middle-aged woman might have been a jewess sitting up in the bow with a little boy about three years old in her arms. little boy screaming with fright and hiding his head between her breasts as if he was trying to burrow right into her and the woman putting her arms round him and comforting him although she was blue with fright herself, all the time covering him up as much as possible as if she thought her arms could keep the bullets off him. then the helicopter planted a 20 kilo bomb in among them terrific flash and the boat went all to matchwood. Then there was a wonderful shot of a child’s arm going up up up right up into the air a helicopter with a camera in its nose must have followed it up and there was a lot of applause from the party seats.
I expect that it will be a modest turnout. I am working this weekend, otherwise might have made the effort.
Shame. The rage filled afternoon of some folk arguing over the numbers attending that big pro EU march in London was one of the highlights of Brexit.
I didn't make the first surprisingly large march, but glad I made the two later marches. A great atmosphere and a real pleasure.
And an utterly tragic waste of time, which paradoxically ensured we got a Hard Hard Brexit, as Remoanery people like you tried to cancel a democratic vote, sending Leavers understandably insane
Well done. Really. Well done
We got a hard Brexit because of Theresa May's red lines and Boris Johnson's opportunism. No other principal reason.
We got a hard Brexit because most Leave voters voted to end EU free movement and most Remainers were too focused on trying to stay in the full EU rather than just the EEA.
However it could have been no trade deal with the EU at all and the hardest of Brexits, which we avoided
If the UK was to leave the ECHR this would be a breach of the GFA .
I know recent Tory governments don’t really care how many Treaties they trash but this would cause huge problems in NI .
I believe it would be sufficient to retain the ECHR in NI law, which is a separate jurisdiction.
I don’t think that works because the government is getting rid of the HRA .
The GFA just talks about incorporating the ECHR into NI law: "The British Government will complete incorporation into Northern Ireland law of the European Convention on Human Rights (ECHR), with direct access to the courts, and remedies for breach of the Convention, including power for the courts to overrule Assembly legislation on grounds of inconsistency."
BBC economics editor saying that Truss and her team are engaged with energy companies as of now to agree a 2 year energy price cap for consumers at a cost of approximately 90 billion
Additional a price cap of some sort will also apply to small businesses inflating the figure over £100 billion
If Truss announces this scheme or something similar than the debate changes and of course consumers will be relieved
And before anyone says windfall taxes will pay for this they simply will not, and it is likely to be a scheme payable over 20 years on energy bills
So another loan scheme, this time mortgaging our children.
Is cynical to believe that 2 years is in scope because Labour offered 1 year. Are they really that petty? Surely not.
It may look petty to you, from here. People who are no keener on freezing to death in 23-24 than they are in 22-23 will regard it as pretty substantial. The fact it makes SKS look a short sighted dick is a bonus.
Bless. Someone’s having a bad day. Sympathies.
Yes. I would be tetchy too if I realised I supported a party leader who has just been effortlessly outplayed by liz bloody truss on her first day in the office. Don't you think it looks a bit half-arsed to propose to solve a 22-24 problem with a plan which dies of ehaustion half way through 23?
So the Tories intend to attack Labour for spending and borrowing too little at the next general election. Interesting.
Surprised to see this polling - must worry her that twice as many conservative voters think she will be worse than Boris Johnson, and actually more than the general population!
I am reasonably confident (say 70%) that Truss will prove to be a better PM and that whenever her tenure ends I will still hold that opinion.
BBC economics editor saying that Truss and her team are engaged with energy companies as of now to agree a 2 year energy price cap for consumers at a cost of approximately 90 billion
Additional a price cap of some sort will also apply to small businesses inflating the figure over £100 billion
If Truss announces this scheme or something similar than the debate changes and of course consumers will be relieved
And before anyone says windfall taxes will pay for this they simply will not, and it is likely to be a scheme payable over 20 years on energy bills
So another loan scheme, this time mortgaging our children.
Is cynical to believe that 2 years is in scope because Labour offered 1 year. Are they really that petty? Surely not.
Labour offered six months until April 23, and as I said earlier this scheme seems similar to the one Sturgeon supports and the one Germany has just put in place
So the taxpayer subsidises millionaire footballers’ energy bills rather than the excess profits of energy companies doing it. You must be outraged!
As you know I want targeted help but they can be dealt with through the tax system
You said helping millionaire footballers via a windfall tax was immoral. Now, it looks like the government will be using taxpayers’ money to do it instead. So it’s us helping the footballers now, not the energy companies. It’s a big win for them.
I will not be persuaded that we should insulate the wealthy from this and await the announcement on measures for this winter
As I understand it this is a long term measure and await the details
I expect that it will be a modest turnout. I am working this weekend, otherwise might have made the effort.
Shame. The rage filled afternoon of some folk arguing over the numbers attending that big pro EU march in London was one of the highlights of Brexit.
I didn't make the first surprisingly large march, but glad I made the two later marches. A great atmosphere and a real pleasure.
And an utterly tragic waste of time, which paradoxically ensured we got a Hard Hard Brexit, as Remoanery people like you tried to cancel a democratic vote, sending Leavers understandably insane
Well done. Really. Well done
We got a hard Brexit because of Theresa May's red lines and Boris Johnson's opportunism. No other principal reason.
Ah, Leon's got half a point on this one. There were people willing to compromise, and could have overruled May's red lines, we saw parliament nearly do so, but there was a gang of extremists to match the ERG who decided to bet everything on winning it all. It was not coincidence that saw them walking through the lobbies with Rees-Mogg and Baker.
That's not blame, its explanation.
When the history of the period is written with proper hindsight, Brexit, and the type of Brexit we got, will be shown to have had many parents. Absolutely some hardline remainers gambled everything on overturning the vote, and as a result ended up with the situation we have now. I think an awful lot of leavers didn’t want to leave the single market, just the political machinery of the EU. We are where we are. Future governments can take a different direction.
Theresa May's red line was leaving the single market. As soon as she became PM, just weeks after the referendum. Before a single Remoaner had Remoaned about anything. The deal we have now is very similar to the one Theresa May laid out, just with an extra layer of dishonesty about Northern Ireland. It's not Remainers' fault that May chucked away her majority then tried to force through a deal that nobody in their right mind could support, while whipping her MPs to vote down any compromise.
BBC economics editor saying that Truss and her team are engaged with energy companies as of now to agree a 2 year energy price cap for consumers at a cost of approximately 90 billion
Additional a price cap of some sort will also apply to small businesses inflating the figure over £100 billion
If Truss announces this scheme or something similar than the debate changes and of course consumers will be relieved
And before anyone says windfall taxes will pay for this they simply will not, and it is likely to be a scheme payable over 20 years on energy bills
So another loan scheme, this time mortgaging our children.
Is cynical to believe that 2 years is in scope because Labour offered 1 year. Are they really that petty? Surely not.
It may look petty to you, from here. People who are no keener on freezing to death in 23-24 than they are in 22-23 will regard it as pretty substantial. The fact it makes SKS look a short sighted dick is a bonus.
Bless. Someone’s having a bad day. Sympathies.
Yes. I would be tetchy too if I realised I supported a party leader who has just been effortlessly outplayed by liz bloody truss on her first day in the office. Don't you think it looks a bit half-arsed to propose to solve a 22-24 problem with a plan which dies of ehaustion half way through 23?
So the Tories intend to attack Labour for spending and borrowing too little at the next general election. Interesting.
*Very* tetchy. I am not a tory and I haven't a clue, but why wouldn't they? People want the problem solved, not left unsolved because the solution would be too expensive, would be my guess. And a LOTO who doesn't realise that he can afford, within limits, to overpromise because he is not going to be called on to deliver...oh my.
By 2100 the population of Africa will surpass that of Asia, and with global warming will mean massive migration to more temperate climes.
And what would you do about it?
I don't think we can do much about it. I think we are too late to stop global climate change.
And the migrants? Are we also helpless?
Last night to the flicks. All war films. One very good one of a ship full of refugees being bombed somewhere in the Mediterranean. Audience much amused by shots of a great huge fat man trying to swim away with a helicopter after him, first you saw him wallowing along in the water like a porpoise, then you saw him through the helicopters gunsights, then he was full of holes and the sea round him turned pink and he sank as suddenly as though the holes had let in the water, audience shouting with laughter when he sank. then you saw a lifeboat full of children with a helicopter hovering over it. there was a middle-aged woman might have been a jewess sitting up in the bow with a little boy about three years old in her arms. little boy screaming with fright and hiding his head between her breasts as if he was trying to burrow right into her and the woman putting her arms round him and comforting him although she was blue with fright herself, all the time covering him up as much as possible as if she thought her arms could keep the bullets off him. then the helicopter planted a 20 kilo bomb in among them terrific flash and the boat went all to matchwood. Then there was a wonderful shot of a child’s arm going up up up right up into the air a helicopter with a camera in its nose must have followed it up and there was a lot of applause from the party seats.
By 2100 the population of Africa will surpass that of Asia, and with global warming will mean massive migration to more temperate climes.
And what would you do about it?
I don't think we can do much about it. I think we are too late to stop global climate change.
And the migrants? Are we also helpless?
Why not just embrace them? They seem keen to be here and Liz Truss says the British are all slackers so we could probably do with a few extra hands to the pump.
I see the much talked about Australian points system has just got around to this way of thinking.
If the UK was to leave the ECHR this would be a breach of the GFA .
I know recent Tory governments don’t really care how many Treaties they trash but this would cause huge problems in NI .
I believe it would be sufficient to retain the ECHR in NI law, which is a separate jurisdiction.
I don’t think that works because the government is getting rid of the HRA .
The GFA just talks about incorporating the ECHR into NI law: "The British Government will complete incorporation into Northern Ireland law of the European Convention on Human Rights (ECHR), with direct access to the courts, and remedies for breach of the Convention, including power for the courts to overrule Assembly legislation on grounds of inconsistency."
The incorporation of the ECHR into any new bill of rights will work differently to what was in the original HRA . There are more restrictions on what can go to court and will impact the NI human rights commission .
I expect that it will be a modest turnout. I am working this weekend, otherwise might have made the effort.
Shame. The rage filled afternoon of some folk arguing over the numbers attending that big pro EU march in London was one of the highlights of Brexit.
I didn't make the first surprisingly large march, but glad I made the two later marches. A great atmosphere and a real pleasure.
And an utterly tragic waste of time, which paradoxically ensured we got a Hard Hard Brexit, as Remoanery people like you tried to cancel a democratic vote, sending Leavers understandably insane
Well done. Really. Well done
We got a hard Brexit because of Theresa May's red lines and Boris Johnson's opportunism. No other principal reason.
Ah, Leon's got half a point on this one. There were people willing to compromise, and could have overruled May's red lines, we saw parliament nearly do so, but there was a gang of extremists to match the ERG who decided to bet everything on winning it all. It was not coincidence that saw them walking through the lobbies with Rees-Mogg and Baker.
That's not blame, its explanation.
When the history of the period is written with proper hindsight, Brexit, and the type of Brexit we got, will be shown to have had many parents. Absolutely some hardline remainers gambled everything on overturning the vote, and as a result ended up with the situation we have now. I think an awful lot of leavers didn’t want to leave the single market, just the political machinery of the EU. We are where we are. Future governments can take a different direction.
Theresa May's red line was leaving the single market. As soon as she became PM, just weeks after the referendum. Before a single Remoaner had Remoaned about anything. The deal we have now is very similar to the one Theresa May laid out, just with an extra layer of dishonesty about Northern Ireland. It's not Remainers' fault that May chucked away her majority then tried to force through a deal that nobody in their right mind could support, while whipping her MPs to vote down any compromise.
I expect that it will be a modest turnout. I am working this weekend, otherwise might have made the effort.
Shame. The rage filled afternoon of some folk arguing over the numbers attending that big pro EU march in London was one of the highlights of Brexit.
I didn't make the first surprisingly large march, but glad I made the two later marches. A great atmosphere and a real pleasure.
And an utterly tragic waste of time, which paradoxically ensured we got a Hard Hard Brexit, as Remoanery people like you tried to cancel a democratic vote, sending Leavers understandably insane
Well done. Really. Well done
We got a hard Brexit because of Theresa May's red lines and Boris Johnson's opportunism. No other principal reason.
Ah, Leon's got half a point on this one. There were people willing to compromise, and could have overruled May's red lines, we saw parliament nearly do so, but there was a gang of extremists to match the ERG who decided to bet everything on winning it all. It was not coincidence that saw them walking through the lobbies with Rees-Mogg and Baker.
That's not blame, its explanation.
When the history of the period is written with proper hindsight, Brexit, and the type of Brexit we got, will be shown to have had many parents. Absolutely some hardline remainers gambled everything on overturning the vote, and as a result ended up with the situation we have now. I think an awful lot of leavers didn’t want to leave the single market, just the political machinery of the EU. We are where we are. Future governments can take a different direction.
Theresa May's red line was leaving the single market. As soon as she became PM, just weeks after the referendum. Before a single Remoaner had Remoaned about anything. The deal we have now is very similar to the one Theresa May laid out, just with an extra layer of dishonesty about Northern Ireland. It's not Remainers' fault that May chucked away her majority then tried to force through a deal that nobody in their right mind could support, while whipping her MPs to vote down any compromise.
I expect that it will be a modest turnout. I am working this weekend, otherwise might have made the effort.
Shame. The rage filled afternoon of some folk arguing over the numbers attending that big pro EU march in London was one of the highlights of Brexit.
I didn't make the first surprisingly large march, but glad I made the two later marches. A great atmosphere and a real pleasure.
And an utterly tragic waste of time, which paradoxically ensured we got a Hard Hard Brexit, as Remoanery people like you tried to cancel a democratic vote, sending Leavers understandably insane
Well done. Really. Well done
We got a hard Brexit because of Theresa May's red lines and Boris Johnson's opportunism. No other principal reason.
Ah, Leon's got half a point on this one. There were people willing to compromise, and could have overruled May's red lines, we saw parliament nearly do so, but there was a gang of extremists to match the ERG who decided to bet everything on winning it all. It was not coincidence that saw them walking through the lobbies with Rees-Mogg and Baker.
That's not blame, its explanation.
When the history of the period is written with proper hindsight, Brexit, and the type of Brexit we got, will be shown to have had many parents. Absolutely some hardline remainers gambled everything on overturning the vote, and as a result ended up with the situation we have now. I think an awful lot of leavers didn’t want to leave the single market, just the political machinery of the EU. We are where we are. Future governments can take a different direction.
Theresa May's red line was leaving the single market. As soon as she became PM, just weeks after the referendum. Before a single Remoaner had Remoaned about anything. The deal we have now is very similar to the one Theresa May laid out, just with an extra layer of dishonesty about Northern Ireland. It's not Remainers' fault that May chucked away her majority then tried to force through a deal that nobody in their right mind could support, while whipping her MPs to vote down any compromise.
That’ll be Theresa May the Remainer
Who over compensated and put her stupid red lines in place .
So, the Truss government will be borrowing tens of billions of pounds to subsidise energy companies and to give the highest paid hundreds of pounds more in their pay packets.
Good dividing lines. A genuine battle of ideas. Labour should welcome this.
I expect that it will be a modest turnout. I am working this weekend, otherwise might have made the effort.
Shame. The rage filled afternoon of some folk arguing over the numbers attending that big pro EU march in London was one of the highlights of Brexit.
I didn't make the first surprisingly large march, but glad I made the two later marches. A great atmosphere and a real pleasure.
And an utterly tragic waste of time, which paradoxically ensured we got a Hard Hard Brexit, as Remoanery people like you tried to cancel a democratic vote, sending Leavers understandably insane
Well done. Really. Well done
We got a hard Brexit because of Theresa May's red lines and Boris Johnson's opportunism. No other principal reason.
Ah, Leon's got half a point on this one. There were people willing to compromise, and could have overruled May's red lines, we saw parliament nearly do so, but there was a gang of extremists to match the ERG who decided to bet everything on winning it all. It was not coincidence that saw them walking through the lobbies with Rees-Mogg and Baker.
That's not blame, its explanation.
When the history of the period is written with proper hindsight, Brexit, and the type of Brexit we got, will be shown to have had many parents. Absolutely some hardline remainers gambled everything on overturning the vote, and as a result ended up with the situation we have now. I think an awful lot of leavers didn’t want to leave the single market, just the political machinery of the EU. We are where we are. Future governments can take a different direction.
Theresa May's red line was leaving the single market. As soon as she became PM, just weeks after the referendum. Before a single Remoaner had Remoaned about anything. The deal we have now is very similar to the one Theresa May laid out, just with an extra layer of dishonesty about Northern Ireland. It's not Remainers' fault that May chucked away her majority then tried to force through a deal that nobody in their right mind could support, while whipping her MPs to vote down any compromise.
Boris probably was and is a remainer so collectively we do share much of the blame!
I'd be interested to know if @MarqueeMark has seen any flickerings of interest in Tidal from the Truss camp. I'm hopeful there might be something a bit more imaginative from them in forthcoming energy announcements than 'possibly some nuclear arriving in about 20 years'.
By 2100 the population of Africa will surpass that of Asia, and with global warming will mean massive migration to more temperate climes.
And what would you do about it?
I don't think we can do much about it. I think we are too late to stop global climate change.
And the migrants? Are we also helpless?
Last night to the flicks. All war films. One very good one of a ship full of refugees being bombed somewhere in the Mediterranean. Audience much amused by shots of a great huge fat man trying to swim away with a helicopter after him, first you saw him wallowing along in the water like a porpoise, then you saw him through the helicopters gunsights, then he was full of holes and the sea round him turned pink and he sank as suddenly as though the holes had let in the water, audience shouting with laughter when he sank. then you saw a lifeboat full of children with a helicopter hovering over it. there was a middle-aged woman might have been a jewess sitting up in the bow with a little boy about three years old in her arms. little boy screaming with fright and hiding his head between her breasts as if he was trying to burrow right into her and the woman putting her arms round him and comforting him although she was blue with fright herself, all the time covering him up as much as possible as if she thought her arms could keep the bullets off him. then the helicopter planted a 20 kilo bomb in among them terrific flash and the boat went all to matchwood. Then there was a wonderful shot of a child’s arm going up up up right up into the air a helicopter with a camera in its nose must have followed it up and there was a lot of applause from the party seats.
BBC economics editor saying that Truss and her team are engaged with energy companies as of now to agree a 2 year energy price cap for consumers at a cost of approximately 90 billion
Additional a price cap of some sort will also apply to small businesses inflating the figure over £100 billion
If Truss announces this scheme or something similar than the debate changes and of course consumers will be relieved
And before anyone says windfall taxes will pay for this they simply will not, and it is likely to be a scheme payable over 20 years on energy bills
So another loan scheme, this time mortgaging our children.
Is cynical to believe that 2 years is in scope because Labour offered 1 year. Are they really that petty? Surely not.
Labour offered six months until April 23, and as I said earlier this scheme seems similar to the one Sturgeon supports and the one Germany has just put in place
Starmer went too early and too shallow. From April 'your bills would be 4 etc times bigger under Labour'
And they are refusing to lay out a response to what happens in April when domestic bills rise to £6,000
Yes you have for weeks now made a compelling case that Truss' plan when it is revealed is head and shoulders better than anyone else's.
BBC economics editor saying that Truss and her team are engaged with energy companies as of now to agree a 2 year energy price cap for consumers at a cost of approximately 90 billion
Additional a price cap of some sort will also apply to small businesses inflating the figure over £100 billion
If Truss announces this scheme or something similar than the debate changes and of course consumers will be relieved
And before anyone says windfall taxes will pay for this they simply will not, and it is likely to be a scheme payable over 20 years on energy bills
So another loan scheme, this time mortgaging our children.
Is cynical to believe that 2 years is in scope because Labour offered 1 year. Are they really that petty? Surely not.
It may look petty to you, from here. People who are no keener on freezing to death in 23-24 than they are in 22-23 will regard it as pretty substantial. The fact it makes SKS look a short sighted dick is a bonus.
Bless. Someone’s having a bad day. Sympathies.
Yes. I would be tetchy too if I realised I supported a party leader who has just been effortlessly outplayed by liz bloody truss on her first day in the office. Don't you think it looks a bit half-arsed to propose to solve a 22-24 problem with a plan which dies of ehaustion half way through 23?
So the Tories intend to attack Labour for spending and borrowing too little at the next general election. Interesting.
*Very* tetchy. I am not a tory and I haven't a clue, but why wouldn't they? People want the problem solved, not left unsolved because the solution would be too expensive, would be my guess. And a LOTO who doesn't realise that he can afford, within limits, to overpromise because he is not going to be called on to deliver...oh my.
If only life was as simple as writing a blank cheque for every problem. Tories used to care about sound money, as Sunak pointed out this is no longer true. Kicking the can down the road and mortgaging the kids doesn’t actually solve the problem.
I expect that it will be a modest turnout. I am working this weekend, otherwise might have made the effort.
Shame. The rage filled afternoon of some folk arguing over the numbers attending that big pro EU march in London was one of the highlights of Brexit.
I didn't make the first surprisingly large march, but glad I made the two later marches. A great atmosphere and a real pleasure.
And an utterly tragic waste of time, which paradoxically ensured we got a Hard Hard Brexit, as Remoanery people like you tried to cancel a democratic vote, sending Leavers understandably insane
Well done. Really. Well done
We got a hard Brexit because of Theresa May's red lines and Boris Johnson's opportunism. No other principal reason.
Ah, Leon's got half a point on this one. There were people willing to compromise, and could have overruled May's red lines, we saw parliament nearly do so, but there was a gang of extremists to match the ERG who decided to bet everything on winning it all. It was not coincidence that saw them walking through the lobbies with Rees-Mogg and Baker.
That's not blame, its explanation.
When the history of the period is written with proper hindsight, Brexit, and the type of Brexit we got, will be shown to have had many parents. Absolutely some hardline remainers gambled everything on overturning the vote, and as a result ended up with the situation we have now. I think an awful lot of leavers didn’t want to leave the single market, just the political machinery of the EU. We are where we are. Future governments can take a different direction.
Theresa May's red line was leaving the single market. As soon as she became PM, just weeks after the referendum. Before a single Remoaner had Remoaned about anything. The deal we have now is very similar to the one Theresa May laid out, just with an extra layer of dishonesty about Northern Ireland. It's not Remainers' fault that May chucked away her majority then tried to force through a deal that nobody in their right mind could support, while whipping her MPs to vote down any compromise.
That’ll be Theresa May the Remainer
Will Remainer Liz Truss clear up the mess?
I doubt it
But here’s the thing: there isn’t that much mess
Many of the initial issues are being quietly solved. Eg the border queues. As I said, at Lisbon airport they now have a special fast queue for people from UK, USA, Japan, etc, with e-passports, there’s a man who stamps every passport taking 2 seconds each
It’s still slower than the EU queue but you wait about 3 minutes. It’s efficient. Why? Because Portugal REALLY wants UK (and other rich) tourists. So this makes sense. Only idiot bitter countries will continue to penalize Brits at the border. That is to say, France
I predict all the other problems will melt away or be smoothed so they are generally not noticed
But we will always have lost Freedom of Movement, and i regret that. But we have regained our proper democracy and we choose who rules us, that makes me happy, and is ultimately more important. That’s it. Brexit
BBC economics editor saying that Truss and her team are engaged with energy companies as of now to agree a 2 year energy price cap for consumers at a cost of approximately 90 billion
Additional a price cap of some sort will also apply to small businesses inflating the figure over £100 billion
If Truss announces this scheme or something similar than the debate changes and of course consumers will be relieved
And before anyone says windfall taxes will pay for this they simply will not, and it is likely to be a scheme payable over 20 years on energy bills
So another loan scheme, this time mortgaging our children.
Is cynical to believe that 2 years is in scope because Labour offered 1 year. Are they really that petty? Surely not.
Labour offered six months until April 23, and as I said earlier this scheme seems similar to the one Sturgeon supports and the one Germany has just put in place
A massive transfer of wealth from the tax payer to the energy firms in the next two years to be paid back in future by the energy bill payer?
Terrific.
I don’t think so?
The transfer is to current bill payers who would otherwise be paying
Benefit to the energy companies would be (a) delta between compensated rate and what the price cap would have been; plus (b) profits on additional unit sales that would have otherwise been reduced because of pricing; plus (c) lower losses from bankrupt customers
Korea is not very big, and solving their population problem would likely be a matter of allowing more immigration. The wild card would be reunification with the bankrupt North.
S Korea seems a terrible place to have/be a child. And not the place to be a low skilled migrant.
BBC economics editor saying that Truss and her team are engaged with energy companies as of now to agree a 2 year energy price cap for consumers at a cost of approximately 90 billion
Additional a price cap of some sort will also apply to small businesses inflating the figure over £100 billion
If Truss announces this scheme or something similar than the debate changes and of course consumers will be relieved
And before anyone says windfall taxes will pay for this they simply will not, and it is likely to be a scheme payable over 20 years on energy bills
Depends on the level of the cap.
But yeah, make millennials pay for it. Again.
If it’s being repaid through energy bills the millennials will also be getting the benefit.
BBC economics editor saying that Truss and her team are engaged with energy companies as of now to agree a 2 year energy price cap for consumers at a cost of approximately 90 billion
Additional a price cap of some sort will also apply to small businesses inflating the figure over £100 billion
If Truss announces this scheme or something similar than the debate changes and of course consumers will be relieved
And before anyone says windfall taxes will pay for this they simply will not, and it is likely to be a scheme payable over 20 years on energy bills
So another loan scheme, this time mortgaging our children.
Is cynical to believe that 2 years is in scope because Labour offered 1 year. Are they really that petty? Surely not.
It may look petty to you, from here. People who are no keener on freezing to death in 23-24 than they are in 22-23 will regard it as pretty substantial. The fact it makes SKS look a short sighted dick is a bonus.
Bless. Someone’s having a bad day. Sympathies.
Yes. I would be tetchy too if I realised I supported a party leader who has just been effortlessly outplayed by liz bloody truss on her first day in the office. Don't you think it looks a bit half-arsed to propose to solve a 22-24 problem with a plan which dies of ehaustion half way through 23?
So the Tories intend to attack Labour for spending and borrowing too little at the next general election. Interesting.
*Very* tetchy. I am not a tory and I haven't a clue, but why wouldn't they? People want the problem solved, not left unsolved because the solution would be too expensive, would be my guess. And a LOTO who doesn't realise that he can afford, within limits, to overpromise because he is not going to be called on to deliver...oh my.
If only life was as simple as writing a blank cheque for every problem. Tories used to care about sound money, as Sunak pointed out this is no longer true. Kicking the can down the road and mortgaging the kids doesn’t actually solve the problem.
Do you have a better solution? I can’t see one
More government borrowing of some sort was always the only answer, if we want to stop the economy collapsing
BBC economics editor saying that Truss and her team are engaged with energy companies as of now to agree a 2 year energy price cap for consumers at a cost of approximately 90 billion
Additional a price cap of some sort will also apply to small businesses inflating the figure over £100 billion
If Truss announces this scheme or something similar than the debate changes and of course consumers will be relieved
And before anyone says windfall taxes will pay for this they simply will not, and it is likely to be a scheme payable over 20 years on energy bills
Depends on the level of the cap.
But yeah, make millennials pay for it. Again.
If it’s being repaid through energy bills the millennials will also be getting the benefit.
The current asset rich should be paying. It shouldn't be coming out of the future income of the young, who already face a ridiculous cost of living.
BBC economics editor saying that Truss and her team are engaged with energy companies as of now to agree a 2 year energy price cap for consumers at a cost of approximately 90 billion
Additional a price cap of some sort will also apply to small businesses inflating the figure over £100 billion
If Truss announces this scheme or something similar than the debate changes and of course consumers will be relieved
And before anyone says windfall taxes will pay for this they simply will not, and it is likely to be a scheme payable over 20 years on energy bills
Depends on the level of the cap.
But yeah, make millennials pay for it. Again.
If it’s being repaid through energy bills the millennials will also be getting the benefit.
BBC economics editor saying that Truss and her team are engaged with energy companies as of now to agree a 2 year energy price cap for consumers at a cost of approximately 90 billion
Additional a price cap of some sort will also apply to small businesses inflating the figure over £100 billion
If Truss announces this scheme or something similar than the debate changes and of course consumers will be relieved
And before anyone says windfall taxes will pay for this they simply will not, and it is likely to be a scheme payable over 20 years on energy bills
So another loan scheme, this time mortgaging our children.
Is cynical to believe that 2 years is in scope because Labour offered 1 year. Are they really that petty? Surely not.
It may look petty to you, from here. People who are no keener on freezing to death in 23-24 than they are in 22-23 will regard it as pretty substantial. The fact it makes SKS look a short sighted dick is a bonus.
Bless. Someone’s having a bad day. Sympathies.
Yes. I would be tetchy too if I realised I supported a party leader who has just been effortlessly outplayed by liz bloody truss on her first day in the office. Don't you think it looks a bit half-arsed to propose to solve a 22-24 problem with a plan which dies of ehaustion half way through 23?
So the Tories intend to attack Labour for spending and borrowing too little at the next general election. Interesting.
*Very* tetchy. I am not a tory and I haven't a clue, but why wouldn't they? People want the problem solved, not left unsolved because the solution would be too expensive, would be my guess. And a LOTO who doesn't realise that he can afford, within limits, to overpromise because he is not going to be called on to deliver...oh my.
If only life was as simple as writing a blank cheque for every problem. Tories used to care about sound money, as Sunak pointed out this is no longer true. Kicking the can down the road and mortgaging the kids doesn’t actually solve the problem.
Do you have a better solution? I can’t see one
More government borrowing of some sort was always the only answer, if we want to stop the economy collapsing
Follow the money and tax the excess profits generated by the war. In the end North Sea gas is a national asset that just got a whole lot more valuable.
Korea is not very big, and solving their population problem would likely be a matter of allowing more immigration. The wild card would be reunification with the bankrupt North.
S Korea seems a terrible place to have/be a child. And not the place to be a low skilled migrant.
@Nigelb makes a good point tho. North Korea needs the money of the south, South Korea needs the Koreans in the north. And both are a bit desperate. So reunification will probably happen
A reunited Korea will be quite a power. With nukes. Possibly even stronger than Japan
Korea is not very big, and solving their population problem would likely be a matter of allowing more immigration. The wild card would be reunification with the bankrupt North.
S Korea seems a terrible place to have/be a child. And not the place to be a low skilled migrant.
@Nigelb makes a good point tho. North Korea needs the money of the south, South Korea needs the Koreans in the north. And both are a bit desperate. So reunification will probably happen
A reunited Korea will be quite a power. With nukes. Possibly even stronger than Japan
When I was in South Korea the feeling was that neither China nor Japan would allow reunification for that very reason. Though getting the North up to speed would make the reunification of West and East Germany look like a cakewalk.
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Is cynical to believe that 2 years is in scope because Labour offered 1 year. Are they really that petty? Surely not.
I remember the Farnham Herald from when we used to spend our summers at my grandparents' house. Frencham Pond, the Watercress Line, the Maltings... Happy days.
By 2100 the population of Africa will surpass that of Asia, and with global warming will mean massive migration to more temperate climes.
The point about Rwanda is that you don’t actually have to send that many people. As soon as you start doing it with determination the boats will stop. No one will risk the crossing. Why pay £2000 and endanger your life only to end up in Africa?
Is it cruel? Yes, no doubt. Does it stop something that simply cannot go on? Also yes. It is a necessary evil
Well, here they are, Nicola
Trouble is, most of them would rather be beheaded than live in Scotland. And who can blame them
https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/8113251/afghanistan-refugee-taliban-scotland/
Terrific.
From April 'your bills would be 4 etc times bigger under Labour'
Well done. Really. Well done
Footnote. The number of spoilt ballots, 654, was not much higher than 509 in 2019. So much for the Boris write-in campaign
https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/1566833665329565701?cxt=HHwWisC8wdm6wb4rAAAA
That's not blame, its explanation.
But yeah, make millennials pay for it. Again.
It will be interesting to see what the attendance is like for the march, but it's unlikely to come anywhere near the ones when Brexit was a live issue.
These are people who walk across deserts, who travel across Med and Channel in overcrowded dinghies.
The only viable way is to fine employers of illegal immigrants in a Swiss style system, but we should also encourage legal migration of appropriately qualified people.
I’m drinking a MAHOOHOOHOOHOOHOOHOOHOOHOOSIVE gin and tonic on a delightful Portuguese patio, with a distant view of the sea. A fountain plays. Life, for the moment, is sweet. We Brexited. And they just brought me brilliant nibbles
Rejoice
Yes. And then when you are old and grey your kids and grandkids will pay (and moan about it) for you. That’s why national economics is not the same as household budgets.
https://twitter.com/nytopinion/status/1566773151819653120?s=21&t=LJbqJGlrBttIs6yoG0RtPw
I’ll put Iain Martin down as ‘maybe’.
I know recent Tory governments don’t really care how many Treaties they trash but this would cause huge problems in NI .
It isn’t sustainable.
We are where we are. Future governments can take a different direction.
The people who annoy me are the wets who pretend there is some really easy fix - “be nicer to France”, “check employee status” - which for some obscure reason we are not doing. There is no easy fix. Every viable fix is going to hurt people
Yours would hurt British people and regular migrants, as the borders are essentially opened. Mine would hurt the dinghy people and those that profit from them
The wild card would be reunification with the bankrupt North.
I would just say so many on here admire Germany who have just implemented a similar scheme, but it is rubbish if it adopted by the UK
He said that they are working lots of overtime despite the pension issues. He thought it might be the NHS is allowing them to use their service companies to bill anything above the level at which pensions become an issue
That would be a remarkably creative solution… any views?
EU rather than just the EEA.
However it could have been no trade deal with the EU at all and the hardest of Brexits, which we avoided
I am reasonably confident (say 70%) that Truss will prove to be a better PM and that whenever her tenure ends I will still hold that opinion.
As I understand it this is a long term measure and await the details
Good dividing lines. A genuine battle of ideas. Labour should welcome this.
But here’s the thing: there isn’t that much mess
Many of the initial issues are being quietly solved. Eg the border queues. As I said, at Lisbon airport they now have a special fast queue for people from UK, USA, Japan, etc, with e-passports, there’s a man who stamps every passport taking 2 seconds each
It’s still slower than the EU queue but you wait about 3 minutes. It’s efficient. Why? Because Portugal REALLY wants UK (and other rich) tourists. So this makes sense. Only idiot bitter countries will continue to penalize Brits at the border. That is to say, France
I predict all the other problems will melt away or be smoothed so they are generally not noticed
But we will always have lost Freedom of Movement, and i regret that. But we have regained our proper democracy and we choose who rules us, that makes me happy, and is ultimately more important. That’s it. Brexit
The transfer is to current bill payers who would otherwise be paying
Benefit to the energy companies would be (a) delta between compensated rate and what the price cap would have been; plus (b) profits on additional unit sales that would have otherwise been reduced because of pricing; plus (c) lower losses from bankrupt customers
More government borrowing of some sort was always the only answer, if we want to stop the economy collapsing
A reunited Korea will be quite a power. With nukes. Possibly even stronger than Japan