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  • kle4kle4 Posts: 82,567

    Leon said:

    Weird troll. What’s the point?

    I read a report that predicted a rise in Russian sponsored troll activity around the time the Ruskies would cut off gas to the West.

    It is to sow discord.

    The irony is on here it just unites us more, I think 99% of this board are pro vaccines, so we united and laugh at them.
    But, with all respect, why here?
  • Leon said:

    Weird troll. What’s the point?

    Is this one the fastest ban hammer yet?

  • Leon said:

    Weird troll. What’s the point?

    I read a report that predicted a rise in Russian sponsored troll activity around the time the Ruskies would cut off gas to the West.

    It is to sow discord.

    The irony is on here it just unites us more, I think 99% of this board are pro vaccines, so we united and laugh at them.
    PB's response to new trolls is a glorious thing to see.

    Makes you proud to be British.
    We might disagree about lockdown but we all agree vaccines are great.

    My favourite troll was the one who said the vaccines were killing ethnic minorities and I replied with I hope they kill muslims and I think I broke their programming.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 30,637
    edited September 2022

    Leon said:

    Weird troll. What’s the point?

    I read a report that predicted a rise in Russian sponsored troll activity around the time the Ruskies would cut off gas to the West.

    It is to sow discord.

    The irony is on here it just unites us more, I think 99% of this board are pro vaccines, so we united and laugh at them.
    Yes. Didn’t do much research

    One of the few things we DON’T argue about is the vax. Even @Dura_Ace - our only anti vaxxer? - lies low on this issue and is thereby tolerated

    The troll should have waded in with a contentious point about fish stock in microwaved risottos
  • kle4 said:

    Leon said:

    Weird troll. What’s the point?

    I read a report that predicted a rise in Russian sponsored troll activity around the time the Ruskies would cut off gas to the West.

    It is to sow discord.

    The irony is on here it just unites us more, I think 99% of this board are pro vaccines, so we united and laugh at them.
    But, with all respect, why here?
    We're an agenda setting blog, I think 30% of our traffic emanates from Westminster IP addresses.

    Dave (pbuh) was a lurker whilst he was LOTO and PM.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 30,637
    edited September 2022
    kle4 said:

    Leon said:

    Weird troll. What’s the point?

    I read a report that predicted a rise in Russian sponsored troll activity around the time the Ruskies would cut off gas to the West.

    It is to sow discord.

    The irony is on here it just unites us more, I think 99% of this board are pro vaccines, so we united and laugh at them.
    But, with all respect, why here?
    I can well believe that PB is genuinely if modestly influential, and worth steering. It just has a set opinion on the vax so barging in with that initial talking point was futile
  • Leon said:

    Weird troll. What’s the point?

    Is that a rhetorical question?
  • YBarddCwscYBarddCwsc Posts: 6,907
    ydoethur said:

    Leon said:

    Weird troll. What’s the point?

    Would people please stop this? Irony meters are expensive and mean working extra in the tuition lark to buy new ones.

    However, having given up the job where a bunch of barely literate drunks cocked everything up to save their worthless employment, I did have a most enjoyable walk along the Glyndwr way from Knighton to Felindre, rather than sitting in a stuffy classroom being told what to expect the next time the incompetent safeguarding risks, ooops, OFSTED inspectors visit.

    So it's swings and roundabouts.
    If you are a freeman, are you going to any of the Cadw open doors in September?

    https://cadw.gov.wales/visit/whats-on/open-doors

    Yesterday, I went to St Brothen's -- almost impossible to find in rural Gwynedd -- to look for the grave that sparked the Llanfrothen Burial case, and of course made the name of Lloyd George.
  • Leon said:

    Weird troll. What’s the point?

    Is this one the fastest ban hammer yet?
    Nah, there was one troll that got blasted after one post.

    Managed to link the vaccines to the great replacement theory and Jewish bankers that control the world.
  • kle4 said:

    Leon said:

    Weird troll. What’s the point?

    I read a report that predicted a rise in Russian sponsored troll activity around the time the Ruskies would cut off gas to the West.

    It is to sow discord.

    The irony is on here it just unites us more, I think 99% of this board are pro vaccines, so we united and laugh at them.
    But, with all respect, why here?
    We're an agenda setting blog, I think 30% of our traffic emanates from Westminster IP addresses.

    Dave (pbuh) was a lurker whilst he was LOTO and PM.
    What amuses me is how comments (and that's below the line, from regular posters) can suspiciously work their way into MSM op-eds within 24-48 hours of their first appearance on here, and only on here.
  • I was disappointed in Truss today and agree she has a huge week in front of her starting tomorrow at 4.00pm

    I am very uncertain about her, but not sure writing her off prematurely is sensible even if it is understandable

    However, time to get a cup of tea and look at photos of our new arrival

    Good night folks and good to have vigorous debate but without lots of falling out and bad language
  • LeonLeon Posts: 30,637

    kle4 said:

    Leon said:

    Weird troll. What’s the point?

    I read a report that predicted a rise in Russian sponsored troll activity around the time the Ruskies would cut off gas to the West.

    It is to sow discord.

    The irony is on here it just unites us more, I think 99% of this board are pro vaccines, so we united and laugh at them.
    But, with all respect, why here?
    We're an agenda setting blog, I think 30% of our traffic emanates from Westminster IP addresses.

    Dave (pbuh) was a lurker whilst he was LOTO and PM.
    And snowflake of course. Who we often jousted with, without realising at the time
  • boulayboulay Posts: 1,909
    kle4 said:

    Leon said:

    Weird troll. What’s the point?

    I read a report that predicted a rise in Russian sponsored troll activity around the time the Ruskies would cut off gas to the West.

    It is to sow discord.

    The irony is on here it just unites us more, I think 99% of this board are pro vaccines, so we united and laugh at them.
    But, with all respect, why here?
    Because down the line, when posters agree in whole or part with a troll, or it causes an argument amongst posters, somewhere in Russia a propaganda chap starts sending screenshots or appears in the Russian equivalent of Daily Mail.

    It’s not hard for said Russian Mail to claim PB is a major UK political website where British politicians post either known or incognito etc etc and guess what, a lot of these really influential posters (yeah ok) and politicians don’t agree with British propaganda about Russia and think British Vaccines are dangerous et etc.

    So whilst it can be amusing to a point having the trolls I would personally rather the mods just kick them into touch immediately.

    They aren’t here for nothing because it’s clear they aren’t changing minds but they still come because it benefits their bosses along the line.

  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 2,798

    Leon said:

    Weird troll. What’s the point?

    Is this one the fastest ban hammer yet?
    Nah, there was one troll that got blasted after one post.

    Managed to link the vaccines to the great replacement theory and Jewish bankers that control the world.
    Impressive, tbh
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 56,756

    ydoethur said:

    Leon said:

    Weird troll. What’s the point?

    Would people please stop this? Irony meters are expensive and mean working extra in the tuition lark to buy new ones.

    However, having given up the job where a bunch of barely literate drunks cocked everything up to save their worthless employment, I did have a most enjoyable walk along the Glyndwr way from Knighton to Felindre, rather than sitting in a stuffy classroom being told what to expect the next time the incompetent safeguarding risks, ooops, OFSTED inspectors visit.

    So it's swings and roundabouts.
    If you are a freeman, are you going to any of the Cadw open doors in September?

    https://cadw.gov.wales/visit/whats-on/open-doors

    Yesterday, I went to St Brothen's -- almost impossible to find in rural Gwynedd -- to look for the grave that sparked the Llanfrothen Burial case, and of course made the name of Lloyd George.
    I’m hoping to do some more travelling and visiting, certainly. Depends a bit on how much tutoring I get and when it is, though!
  • Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Weird troll. What’s the point?

    I read a report that predicted a rise in Russian sponsored troll activity around the time the Ruskies would cut off gas to the West.

    It is to sow discord.

    The irony is on here it just unites us more, I think 99% of this board are pro vaccines, so we united and laugh at them.
    Yes. Didn’t do much research

    One of the few things we DON’T argue about is the vax. Even @Dura_Ace - our only anti vaxxer? - lies low on this issue and is thereby tolerated

    The troll should have waded in with a contentious point about fish stock in microwaved risottos
    I don't think Dura_Ace is an antivaxxer in the pure sense.

    Only Misty and Contrarian are/were only bona fide antivaxxers.
  • YBarddCwscYBarddCwsc Posts: 6,907

    Leon said:

    Weird troll. What’s the point?

    Is this one the fastest ban hammer yet?
    Nah, there was one troll that got blasted after one post.

    Managed to link the vaccines to the great replacement theory and Jewish bankers that control the world.
    That was Piers, no?
  • kle4 said:

    Leon said:

    Weird troll. What’s the point?

    I read a report that predicted a rise in Russian sponsored troll activity around the time the Ruskies would cut off gas to the West.

    It is to sow discord.

    The irony is on here it just unites us more, I think 99% of this board are pro vaccines, so we united and laugh at them.
    But, with all respect, why here?
    We're an agenda setting blog, I think 30% of our traffic emanates from Westminster IP addresses.

    Dave (pbuh) was a lurker whilst he was LOTO and PM.
    Do you think he still lurks occasionally, or is he too busy Netflix and chilling in his designer shed, trotters up, counting his trust fund and wondering where it all went wrong?

    Dave - if you're reading - this is ALL YOUR FAULT!
  • Patel joins King over the Water party?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 82,567
    John Rentoul definitely reads and has shared headers, but IDK, I feel kind of sad if trend setters actually read comments on the internet, poor bastards.
  • I see Mail is already calling her 'Liz' rather than Liz Truss or Mrs Truss. Very Boris like vibes.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 56,756

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Weird troll. What’s the point?

    I read a report that predicted a rise in Russian sponsored troll activity around the time the Ruskies would cut off gas to the West.

    It is to sow discord.

    The irony is on here it just unites us more, I think 99% of this board are pro vaccines, so we united and laugh at them.
    Yes. Didn’t do much research

    One of the few things we DON’T argue about is the vax. Even @Dura_Ace - our only anti vaxxer? - lies low on this issue and is thereby tolerated

    The troll should have waded in with a contentious point about fish stock in microwaved risottos
    I don't think Dura_Ace is an antivaxxer in the pure sense.

    Only Misty and Contrarian are/were only bona fide antivaxxers.
    AIUI DA as a convinced vegan refuses to take the vaccine because it was tested on animals.

    Which is fair enough even if I think he's wrong.

    Contrarian, both in that name and as Misty, is just a complete bellend. A conspiracy theorist nut with a small brain and a massive ego.

    Did we ever find out if he actually does work for the DfE or SLC?
  • kle4 said:

    Leon said:

    Weird troll. What’s the point?

    I read a report that predicted a rise in Russian sponsored troll activity around the time the Ruskies would cut off gas to the West.

    It is to sow discord.

    The irony is on here it just unites us more, I think 99% of this board are pro vaccines, so we united and laugh at them.
    But, with all respect, why here?
    We're an agenda setting blog, I think 30% of our traffic emanates from Westminster IP addresses.

    Dave (pbuh) was a lurker whilst he was LOTO and PM.
    What amuses me is how comments (and that's below the line, from regular posters) can suspiciously work their way into MSM op-eds within 24-48 hours of their first appearance on here, and only on here.
    The funniest thing was on GE 2017 night.

    About a dozen people contacted me saying listening to George Osborne on the ITV coverage was just like reading my comments/posts/tweets.

    It was frighteningly uncanny.
  • It's a good job Jesus didn't land in Sunderland.

    I don't know if Jesus ever visited Wearside but I do know that he wasn't born in Dundee. They couldn't find three wise men or a virgin.
  • Leon said:

    kle4 said:

    Leon said:

    Weird troll. What’s the point?

    I read a report that predicted a rise in Russian sponsored troll activity around the time the Ruskies would cut off gas to the West.

    It is to sow discord.

    The irony is on here it just unites us more, I think 99% of this board are pro vaccines, so we united and laugh at them.
    But, with all respect, why here?
    We're an agenda setting blog, I think 30% of our traffic emanates from Westminster IP addresses.

    Dave (pbuh) was a lurker whilst he was LOTO and PM.
    And snowflake of course. Who we often jousted with, without realising at the time
    Because she was crap.

    It was amazing how many regular(ish) posters on here turned out to be well-known mainstream politicians who had virtually no insight to offer - just tedious attack lines.

    In her case, it extended to me laying her for the Labour leadership as I felt she'd shown herself to be an empty vessel.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 56,756

    I see Mail is already calling her 'Liz' rather than Liz Truss or Mrs Truss. Very Boris like vibes.

    Working up for when/if she reneges on one of her madder policies, so they can call her 'Liza.'

    And if she does it twice or more, 'Liza Lot.'
  • stodge said:

    Mid evening all :)

    A trip up to Scotland for Liz Truss tomorrow and she will return "in triumph" to give us all a glimpse into many think will be a return to 1979.

    As I've said before, the Thatcherites had the not inconsiderable assistance of North Sea Oil, Privatisation receipts and a group of desperate idiots in Buenos Aires.

    I'd certainly argue Truss faces as daunting an in-tray as any incoming PM since Thatcher but one can also argue a lot of the problems are going to be hard for her to control directly. She can do nothing, for example, directly about the conflict in the Ukraine and she can do little about the fact of rising energy prices - both oil and gas rose in price today and it seems we may have to adjust to $90 a barrel oil as the "new normal".

    I remain a simpleton at heart compared to what I'm informed are the towering intellects on this forum - if the plan is to freeze energy bills for the consumers, fine, I get that but the fact remains the gas and electricity is being supplied at higher prices so someone is going to have to pay the balance - the Government presumably?

    I also remain bemused at how, given an annual debt interest of £100 billion and the other myriad calls on the public purse such as defence, health, pensions and the Police (all of which, we are told by Conservatives, are vital), there is any scope for more than a gesture in terms of reducing taxes and even then is that shortfall in revenue to be met by public expenditure reductions and if so, what, where and when?

    The more thoughtful local authorities, who are curious beasts by nature, are already war gaming 10-15% net reductions in Government financial support and the impact on Service provision. Some are already trying to sell off their mostly unused office space (I see central Government is trying to sell off £1.5 billion of office estate so JRM's plan to get the civil servants back to their desks, like all his other stupid ideas, is all image and no substance).

    It would be churlish not to wish Truss and the new Government well - I disagree with her at a fundamental philosophical level and I hope she and her Ministers adopt a less ideological and more pragmatic aspect in terms of practical governing (the successful PMs know when to be ideologues and when to be sensible in Government).

    Good post and of course the NI reverse was largely mitigated when Sunak excluded those earning £34,000 or less

    Th CBI said today that they pay 19% corporation tax already, but that in April an uplift to 25% was unwelcome i this climate
    Sunak never excluded those earning £34k or less. He excluded those earning about £12k or less.
    He excluded them from this years NI rise
    No he did not. That's just not true. There is no £34k threshold where tax rates change.

    The marginal tax rate someone on say £19k per annum is absolutely higher now than it was in March.
  • kle4 said:

    Leon said:

    Weird troll. What’s the point?

    I read a report that predicted a rise in Russian sponsored troll activity around the time the Ruskies would cut off gas to the West.

    It is to sow discord.

    The irony is on here it just unites us more, I think 99% of this board are pro vaccines, so we united and laugh at them.
    But, with all respect, why here?
    We're an agenda setting blog, I think 30% of our traffic emanates from Westminster IP addresses.

    Dave (pbuh) was a lurker whilst he was LOTO and PM.
    Do you think he still lurks occasionally, or is he too busy Netflix and chilling in his designer shed, trotters up, counting his trust fund and wondering where it all went wrong?

    Dave - if you're reading - this is ALL YOUR FAULT!
    If I was Dave I'd be really bored.

    I'm not sure being a non-executive Chair of a few things really cuts the mustard for him.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 56,756

    Leon said:

    kle4 said:

    Leon said:

    Weird troll. What’s the point?

    I read a report that predicted a rise in Russian sponsored troll activity around the time the Ruskies would cut off gas to the West.

    It is to sow discord.

    The irony is on here it just unites us more, I think 99% of this board are pro vaccines, so we united and laugh at them.
    But, with all respect, why here?
    We're an agenda setting blog, I think 30% of our traffic emanates from Westminster IP addresses.

    Dave (pbuh) was a lurker whilst he was LOTO and PM.
    And snowflake of course. Who we often jousted with, without realising at the time
    Because she was crap.

    It was amazing how many regular(ish) posters on here turned out to be well-known mainstream politicians who had virtually no insight to offer - just tedious attack lines.

    In her case, it extended to me laying her for the Labour leadership as I felt she'd shown herself to be an empty vessel.
    Didn't stop Corbyn.

    Or Truss, on the other side.
  • Eabhal said:

    Leon said:

    Weird troll. What’s the point?

    Is this one the fastest ban hammer yet?
    Nah, there was one troll that got blasted after one post.

    Managed to link the vaccines to the great replacement theory and Jewish bankers that control the world.
    Impressive, tbh
    It was, all he needed to say was he puts pineapple on his pizzas and we would have the unholy tetralogy.
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 7,317

    kle4 said:

    Leon said:

    Weird troll. What’s the point?

    I read a report that predicted a rise in Russian sponsored troll activity around the time the Ruskies would cut off gas to the West.

    It is to sow discord.

    The irony is on here it just unites us more, I think 99% of this board are pro vaccines, so we united and laugh at them.
    But, with all respect, why here?
    We're an agenda setting blog, I think 30% of our traffic emanates from Westminster IP addresses.

    Dave (pbuh) was a lurker whilst he was LOTO and PM.
    What amuses me is how comments (and that's below the line, from regular posters) can suspiciously work their way into MSM op-eds within 24-48 hours of their first appearance on here, and only on here.
    Good grief. I wish I was aware of this stuff. Are you suggesting we are getting plagiarised? I was convinced for quite some time that a very well known former spin doctor was posting on here prolifically but reluctantly concluded that it wasn't him.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    kle4 said:

    John Rentoul definitely reads and has shared headers, but IDK, I feel kind of sad if trend setters actually read comments on the internet, poor bastards.

    JR reads below the line. I know this because he told me so.
  • I see Mail is already calling her 'Liz' rather than Liz Truss or Mrs Truss. Very Boris like vibes.

    Nice try, but trying too hard too late.

    Boris spent years crafting the brand. Doing the same for Truss will be like the
    Didldidi lookalikes. Camilla the caterpillar cake, that sort of thing.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 28,836

    ydoethur said:

    Leon said:

    Weird troll. What’s the point?

    Would people please stop this? Irony meters are expensive and mean working extra in the tuition lark to buy new ones.

    However, having given up the job where a bunch of barely literate drunks cocked everything up to save their worthless employment, I did have a most enjoyable walk along the Glyndwr way from Knighton to Felindre, rather than sitting in a stuffy classroom being told what to expect the next time the incompetent safeguarding risks, ooops, OFSTED inspectors visit.

    So it's swings and roundabouts.
    If you are a freeman, are you going to any of the Cadw open doors in September?

    https://cadw.gov.wales/visit/whats-on/open-doors

    Yesterday, I went to St Brothen's -- almost impossible to find in rural Gwynedd -- to look for the grave that sparked the Llanfrothen Burial case, and of course made the name of Lloyd George.
    Never heard of it! Most interesting when I looked it up. But I've read of similar angst in Cornwall over e.g. C of E rectors charging burial fees even when they did not officiate. Not much choice of hallowed ground in a rural parish.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 30,637
    kle4 said:

    John Rentoul definitely reads and has shared headers, but IDK, I feel kind of sad if trend setters actually read comments on the internet, poor bastards.

    Because you get random brilliant comments like this from our esteemed Welsh brethren.


    “If you are a freeman, are you going to any of the Cadw open doors in September?

    https://cadw.gov.wales/visit/whats-on/open-doors

    Yesterday, I went to St Brothen's -- almost impossible to find in rural Gwynedd -- to look for the grave that sparked the Llanfrothen Burial case, and of course made the name of Lloyd George”

    That’s genius. It civilly but blithely assumes a level of intricate cultural and political knowledge you simply don’t get anywhere else

    And believe me, when banned, I’ve tried
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 105,491
    edited September 2022

    kle4 said:

    Leon said:

    Weird troll. What’s the point?

    I read a report that predicted a rise in Russian sponsored troll activity around the time the Ruskies would cut off gas to the West.

    It is to sow discord.

    The irony is on here it just unites us more, I think 99% of this board are pro vaccines, so we united and laugh at them.
    But, with all respect, why here?
    We're an agenda setting blog, I think 30% of our traffic emanates from Westminster IP addresses.

    Dave (pbuh) was a lurker whilst he was LOTO and PM.
    What amuses me is how comments (and that's below the line, from regular posters) can suspiciously work their way into MSM op-eds within 24-48 hours of their first appearance on here, and only on here.
    Good grief. I wish I was aware of this stuff. Are you suggesting we are getting plagiarised? I was convinced for quite some time that a very well known former spin doctor was posting on here prolifically but reluctantly concluded that it wasn't him.
    I've had quite a few of my pieces homaged within days, particularly the data heavy stuff.

    TLG86's pieces on population/birth rates were lifted recently as well.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 6,650

    kle4 said:

    Leon said:

    Weird troll. What’s the point?

    I read a report that predicted a rise in Russian sponsored troll activity around the time the Ruskies would cut off gas to the West.

    It is to sow discord.

    The irony is on here it just unites us more, I think 99% of this board are pro vaccines, so we united and laugh at them.
    But, with all respect, why here?
    We're an agenda setting blog, I think 30% of our traffic emanates from Westminster IP addresses.

    Dave (pbuh) was a lurker whilst he was LOTO and PM.
    In which case, goobers, start listening to me. I'm a fucking socio-political genius.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 2,798

    kle4 said:

    Leon said:

    Weird troll. What’s the point?

    I read a report that predicted a rise in Russian sponsored troll activity around the time the Ruskies would cut off gas to the West.

    It is to sow discord.

    The irony is on here it just unites us more, I think 99% of this board are pro vaccines, so we united and laugh at them.
    But, with all respect, why here?
    We're an agenda setting blog, I think 30% of our traffic emanates from Westminster IP addresses.

    Dave (pbuh) was a lurker whilst he was LOTO and PM.
    What amuses me is how comments (and that's below the line, from regular posters) can suspiciously work their way into MSM op-eds within 24-48 hours of their first appearance on here, and only on here.
    Good grief. I wish I was aware of this stuff. Are you suggesting we are getting plagiarised? I was convinced for quite some time that a very well known former spin doctor was posting on here prolifically but reluctantly concluded that it wasn't him.
    A variation on this theme - for about a week I thought I was dating DavidL's daughter. Was a different Dundee-based lawyer, thank goodness.

    (we're no longer together)
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    ydoethur said:

    Leon said:

    Weird troll. What’s the point?

    Would people please stop this? Irony meters are expensive and mean working extra in the tuition lark to buy new ones.

    However, having given up the job where a bunch of barely literate drunks cocked everything up to save their worthless employment, I did have a most enjoyable walk along the Glyndwr way from Knighton to Felindre, rather than sitting in a stuffy classroom being told what to expect the next time the incompetent safeguarding risks, ooops, OFSTED inspectors visit.

    So it's swings and roundabouts.
    If you are a freeman, are you going to any of the Cadw open doors in September?

    https://cadw.gov.wales/visit/whats-on/open-doors

    Yesterday, I went to St Brothen's -- almost impossible to find in rural Gwynedd -- to look for the grave that sparked the Llanfrothen Burial case, and of course made the name of Lloyd George.
    Don't wanna be rude, but the fact that the Llanfrothen Burial case is a thing just says everything about Wales for me.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 6,650
    IshmaelZ said:

    kle4 said:

    John Rentoul definitely reads and has shared headers, but IDK, I feel kind of sad if trend setters actually read comments on the internet, poor bastards.

    JR reads below the line. I know this because he told me so.
    He liked 2 of my tweets. He is therefore a goodfella
  • kle4 said:

    Leon said:

    Weird troll. What’s the point?

    I read a report that predicted a rise in Russian sponsored troll activity around the time the Ruskies would cut off gas to the West.

    It is to sow discord.

    The irony is on here it just unites us more, I think 99% of this board are pro vaccines, so we united and laugh at them.
    But, with all respect, why here?
    We're an agenda setting blog, I think 30% of our traffic emanates from Westminster IP addresses.

    Dave (pbuh) was a lurker whilst he was LOTO and PM.
    Do you think he still lurks occasionally, or is he too busy Netflix and chilling in his designer shed, trotters up, counting his trust fund and wondering where it all went wrong?

    Dave - if you're reading - this is ALL YOUR FAULT!
    If I was Dave I'd be really bored.

    I'm not sure being a non-executive Chair of a few things really cuts the mustard for him.
    I'll bet he is. I was at a lunch with him not long after he stood down and he was all bonhomie, putting on a brave face, maybe a bit demob happy. But you could tell (or at least, I thought I could tell) that there was some melencholy there. Something a bit sad about all the ex-senior bods I've come across, I suppose. Still, probably better to be able to say you used to be somebody than that you never were anybody in the first place!
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 2,798

    kle4 said:

    Leon said:

    Weird troll. What’s the point?

    I read a report that predicted a rise in Russian sponsored troll activity around the time the Ruskies would cut off gas to the West.

    It is to sow discord.

    The irony is on here it just unites us more, I think 99% of this board are pro vaccines, so we united and laugh at them.
    But, with all respect, why here?
    We're an agenda setting blog, I think 30% of our traffic emanates from Westminster IP addresses.

    Dave (pbuh) was a lurker whilst he was LOTO and PM.
    What amuses me is how comments (and that's below the line, from regular posters) can suspiciously work their way into MSM op-eds within 24-48 hours of their first appearance on here, and only on here.
    Good grief. I wish I was aware of this stuff. Are you suggesting we are getting plagiarised? I was convinced for quite some time that a very well known former spin doctor was posting on here prolifically but reluctantly concluded that it wasn't him.
    I've had quite a few of my pieces homaged within days, particularly the data heavy stuff.

    TLG86's pieces on population/birth rates were lifted recently as well.
    What right's do you have? I regularly post walk reports/guides on a walking forum and had my language and photos lifted by a newspaper. They removed the article after a rather stern email from the site's owner.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    Certainly the theory that Tory leaders alternate interesting/dull was first enunciated btl here and nicked by pro columnists immediately.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 23,356

    kle4 said:

    Leon said:

    Weird troll. What’s the point?

    I read a report that predicted a rise in Russian sponsored troll activity around the time the Ruskies would cut off gas to the West.

    It is to sow discord.

    The irony is on here it just unites us more, I think 99% of this board are pro vaccines, so we united and laugh at them.
    But, with all respect, why here?
    We're an agenda setting blog, I think 30% of our traffic emanates from Westminster IP addresses.

    Dave (pbuh) was a lurker whilst he was LOTO and PM.
    What amuses me is how comments (and that's below the line, from regular posters) can suspiciously work their way into MSM op-eds within 24-48 hours of their first appearance on here, and only on here.
    Good grief. I wish I was aware of this stuff. Are you suggesting we are getting plagiarised? I was convinced for quite some time that a very well known former spin doctor was posting on here prolifically but reluctantly concluded that it wasn't him.
    I've had quite a few of my pieces homaged within days, particularly the data heavy stuff.

    TLG86's pieces on population/birth rates were lifted recently as well.
    Some of my stuff has been borrowed too.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 11,244

    I see Mail is already calling her 'Liz' rather than Liz Truss or Mrs Truss. Very Boris like vibes.

    Nice try, but trying too hard too late.

    Boris spent years crafting the brand. Doing the same for Truss will be like the
    Didldidi lookalikes. Camilla the caterpillar cake, that sort of thing.
    Yet it is clear both the Mail and Express will be her praetorian guard - the Mail's front page excoriating a comedian on the BBC (naturally) who was slightly rude about her. This waspish thin-skinned vulnerability from the GOP/MAGA playbook - the slightest insult and an avalanche of toys are thrown out the pram.

    I also imagine we will see an even more strident patriotism in the "popular" Press - the slightest criticism of Britain will be hunted down, exposed and ridiculed no matter how justified.

    It seems to this observer Freedom of Speech must mean the right to criticise one's Government and country - "my country, right or wrong" is fine but those who don't see things in those terms must, in a democratic society, be allowed to put their view forward.
  • I see Mail is already calling her 'Liz' rather than Liz Truss or Mrs Truss. Very Boris like vibes.

    Just call me Tony.

    Not flash, just Gordon.

    Call me Dave.

    It's not that new - only Big Tezza (as close friends call her) broadly avoided the awful faux chumminess.
  • Eabhal said:

    kle4 said:

    Leon said:

    Weird troll. What’s the point?

    I read a report that predicted a rise in Russian sponsored troll activity around the time the Ruskies would cut off gas to the West.

    It is to sow discord.

    The irony is on here it just unites us more, I think 99% of this board are pro vaccines, so we united and laugh at them.
    But, with all respect, why here?
    We're an agenda setting blog, I think 30% of our traffic emanates from Westminster IP addresses.

    Dave (pbuh) was a lurker whilst he was LOTO and PM.
    What amuses me is how comments (and that's below the line, from regular posters) can suspiciously work their way into MSM op-eds within 24-48 hours of their first appearance on here, and only on here.
    Good grief. I wish I was aware of this stuff. Are you suggesting we are getting plagiarised? I was convinced for quite some time that a very well known former spin doctor was posting on here prolifically but reluctantly concluded that it wasn't him.
    A variation on this theme - for about a week I thought I was dating DavidL's daughter. Was a different Dundee-based lawyer, thank goodness.

    (we're no longer together)
    " I think 30% of our traffic emanates from Westminster IP addresses."

    Wow. That is some stat.
  • darkagedarkage Posts: 3,338

    kle4 said:

    Leon said:

    Weird troll. What’s the point?

    I read a report that predicted a rise in Russian sponsored troll activity around the time the Ruskies would cut off gas to the West.

    It is to sow discord.

    The irony is on here it just unites us more, I think 99% of this board are pro vaccines, so we united and laugh at them.
    But, with all respect, why here?
    We're an agenda setting blog, I think 30% of our traffic emanates from Westminster IP addresses.

    Dave (pbuh) was a lurker whilst he was LOTO and PM.
    What amuses me is how comments (and that's below the line, from regular posters) can suspiciously work their way into MSM op-eds within 24-48 hours of their first appearance on here, and only on here.
    I posted a comment last November about how a provider of Covid tests was harvesting DNA from Covid test samples. I got this information by reading through the terms and conditions of the test, and the 'privacy notice' I was asked to agree. A couple of days later it was on the front cover of the Sunday Times.
  • glwglw Posts: 8,876

    Leon said:

    Weird troll. What’s the point?

    Is this one the fastest ban hammer yet?
    Nah, there was one troll that got blasted after one post.

    Managed to link the vaccines to the great replacement theory and Jewish bankers that control the world.
    MTG has posted here?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 19,093

    kle4 said:

    Leon said:

    Weird troll. What’s the point?

    I read a report that predicted a rise in Russian sponsored troll activity around the time the Ruskies would cut off gas to the West.

    It is to sow discord.

    The irony is on here it just unites us more, I think 99% of this board are pro vaccines, so we united and laugh at them.
    But, with all respect, why here?
    We're an agenda setting blog, I think 30% of our traffic emanates from Westminster IP addresses.

    Dave (pbuh) was a lurker whilst he was LOTO and PM.
    What amuses me is how comments (and that's below the line, from regular posters) can suspiciously work their way into MSM op-eds within 24-48 hours of their first appearance on here, and only on here.
    The funniest thing was on GE 2017 night.

    About a dozen people contacted me saying listening to George Osborne on the ITV coverage was just like reading my comments/posts/tweets.

    It was frighteningly uncanny.
    The power of telepathy? Except for the profanity and double entendres. I mean Gids, not you, of course.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 6,650
    Cyclefree said:

    kle4 said:

    Leon said:

    Weird troll. What’s the point?

    I read a report that predicted a rise in Russian sponsored troll activity around the time the Ruskies would cut off gas to the West.

    It is to sow discord.

    The irony is on here it just unites us more, I think 99% of this board are pro vaccines, so we united and laugh at them.
    But, with all respect, why here?
    We're an agenda setting blog, I think 30% of our traffic emanates from Westminster IP addresses.

    Dave (pbuh) was a lurker whilst he was LOTO and PM.
    What amuses me is how comments (and that's below the line, from regular posters) can suspiciously work their way into MSM op-eds within 24-48 hours of their first appearance on here, and only on here.
    Good grief. I wish I was aware of this stuff. Are you suggesting we are getting plagiarised? I was convinced for quite some time that a very well known former spin doctor was posting on here prolifically but reluctantly concluded that it wasn't him.
    I've had quite a few of my pieces homaged within days, particularly the data heavy stuff.

    TLG86's pieces on population/birth rates were lifted recently as well.
    Some of my stuff has been borrowed too.
    Once the Norfolk MPs (including the new PM) start pushing hard on the restoration of the Wuffingas Kingdom i'll know i've got some real clout
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 28,836
    edited September 2022

    stodge said:

    Mid evening all :)

    A trip up to Scotland for Liz Truss tomorrow and she will return "in triumph" to give us all a glimpse into many think will be a return to 1979.

    As I've said before, the Thatcherites had the not inconsiderable assistance of North Sea Oil, Privatisation receipts and a group of desperate idiots in Buenos Aires.

    I'd certainly argue Truss faces as daunting an in-tray as any incoming PM since Thatcher but one can also argue a lot of the problems are going to be hard for her to control directly. She can do nothing, for example, directly about the conflict in the Ukraine and she can do little about the fact of rising energy prices - both oil and gas rose in price today and it seems we may have to adjust to $90 a barrel oil as the "new normal".

    I remain a simpleton at heart compared to what I'm informed are the towering intellects on this forum - if the plan is to freeze energy bills for the consumers, fine, I get that but the fact remains the gas and electricity is being supplied at higher prices so someone is going to have to pay the balance - the Government presumably?

    I also remain bemused at how, given an annual debt interest of £100 billion and the other myriad calls on the public purse such as defence, health, pensions and the Police (all of which, we are told by Conservatives, are vital), there is any scope for more than a gesture in terms of reducing taxes and even then is that shortfall in revenue to be met by public expenditure reductions and if so, what, where and when?

    The more thoughtful local authorities, who are curious beasts by nature, are already war gaming 10-15% net reductions in Government financial support and the impact on Service provision. Some are already trying to sell off their mostly unused office space (I see central Government is trying to sell off £1.5 billion of office estate so JRM's plan to get the civil servants back to their desks, like all his other stupid ideas, is all image and no substance).

    It would be churlish not to wish Truss and the new Government well - I disagree with her at a fundamental philosophical level and I hope she and her Ministers adopt a less ideological and more pragmatic aspect in terms of practical governing (the successful PMs know when to be ideologues and when to be sensible in Government).

    Good post and of course the NI reverse was largely mitigated when Sunak excluded those earning £34,000 or less

    Th CBI said today that they pay 19% corporation tax already, but that in April an uplift to 25% was unwelcome i this climate
    Sunak never excluded those earning £34k or less. He excluded those earning about £12k or less.
    He excluded them from this years NI rise
    No he did not. That's just not true. There is no £34k threshold where tax rates change.

    The marginal tax rate someone on say £19k per annum is absolutely higher now than it was in March.
    Why then do HYUFD and BigG keep chanting 34K like some mantra, if I recall rightly? There must be some directive from CCHQ somewhere. Would be interested to know the logic, if only to see who turns out to be right. Is there some confusion [edit] over the distinction between NI and "tax"?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 32,152


    Leon said:

    Weird troll. What’s the point?

    I read a report that predicted a rise in Russian sponsored troll activity around the time the Ruskies would cut off gas to the West.

    It is to sow discord.

    The irony is on here it just unites us more, I think 99% of this board are pro vaccines, so we united and laugh at them.
    PB's response to new trolls is a glorious thing to see.

    Makes you proud to be British.
    Please sir, can we keep the next troll as a pet?

    I promise to feed it and take it for regular walks.

  • Cyclefree said:

    kle4 said:

    Leon said:

    Weird troll. What’s the point?

    I read a report that predicted a rise in Russian sponsored troll activity around the time the Ruskies would cut off gas to the West.

    It is to sow discord.

    The irony is on here it just unites us more, I think 99% of this board are pro vaccines, so we united and laugh at them.
    But, with all respect, why here?
    We're an agenda setting blog, I think 30% of our traffic emanates from Westminster IP addresses.

    Dave (pbuh) was a lurker whilst he was LOTO and PM.
    What amuses me is how comments (and that's below the line, from regular posters) can suspiciously work their way into MSM op-eds within 24-48 hours of their first appearance on here, and only on here.
    Good grief. I wish I was aware of this stuff. Are you suggesting we are getting plagiarised? I was convinced for quite some time that a very well known former spin doctor was posting on here prolifically but reluctantly concluded that it wasn't him.
    I've had quite a few of my pieces homaged within days, particularly the data heavy stuff.

    TLG86's pieces on population/birth rates were lifted recently as well.
    Some of my stuff has been borrowed too.
    Liz Truss as PM was nicked from here, kudos to bunnco for that one.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 30,637
    edited September 2022

    Cyclefree said:

    kle4 said:

    Leon said:

    Weird troll. What’s the point?

    I read a report that predicted a rise in Russian sponsored troll activity around the time the Ruskies would cut off gas to the West.

    It is to sow discord.

    The irony is on here it just unites us more, I think 99% of this board are pro vaccines, so we united and laugh at them.
    But, with all respect, why here?
    We're an agenda setting blog, I think 30% of our traffic emanates from Westminster IP addresses.

    Dave (pbuh) was a lurker whilst he was LOTO and PM.
    What amuses me is how comments (and that's below the line, from regular posters) can suspiciously work their way into MSM op-eds within 24-48 hours of their first appearance on here, and only on here.
    Good grief. I wish I was aware of this stuff. Are you suggesting we are getting plagiarised? I was convinced for quite some time that a very well known former spin doctor was posting on here prolifically but reluctantly concluded that it wasn't him.
    I've had quite a few of my pieces homaged within days, particularly the data heavy stuff.

    TLG86's pieces on population/birth rates were lifted recently as well.
    Some of my stuff has been borrowed too.
    Once the Norfolk MPs (including the new PM) start pushing hard on the restoration of the Wuffingas Kingdom i'll know i've got some real clout
    I’m pretty sure one well known Spectator writer just steals my stuff wholesale and turns it into articles on the magazine. Frankly, I don’t know what to do about it. Gone beyond a joke now
  • Eabhal said:

    kle4 said:

    Leon said:

    Weird troll. What’s the point?

    I read a report that predicted a rise in Russian sponsored troll activity around the time the Ruskies would cut off gas to the West.

    It is to sow discord.

    The irony is on here it just unites us more, I think 99% of this board are pro vaccines, so we united and laugh at them.
    But, with all respect, why here?
    We're an agenda setting blog, I think 30% of our traffic emanates from Westminster IP addresses.

    Dave (pbuh) was a lurker whilst he was LOTO and PM.
    What amuses me is how comments (and that's below the line, from regular posters) can suspiciously work their way into MSM op-eds within 24-48 hours of their first appearance on here, and only on here.
    Good grief. I wish I was aware of this stuff. Are you suggesting we are getting plagiarised? I was convinced for quite some time that a very well known former spin doctor was posting on here prolifically but reluctantly concluded that it wasn't him.
    A variation on this theme - for about a week I thought I was dating DavidL's daughter. Was a different Dundee-based lawyer, thank goodness.

    (we're no longer together)
    " I think 30% of our traffic emanates from Westminster IP addresses."

    Wow. That is some stat.
    Thanks to PB I have something like 70 MPs of all parties following me

    Such Penny Mordaunt, Jake Berry (likely next Tory Chairman) other past and present cabinet ministers and minister. Shadow cabinet ministers as well.

    I have quite the following amongst SNP MPs for my honest take on Scottish polling.

    Even Alex Salmond follows me.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 56,756
    Leon said:

    ydoethur said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Weird troll. What’s the point?

    I read a report that predicted a rise in Russian sponsored troll activity around the time the Ruskies would cut off gas to the West.

    It is to sow discord.

    The irony is on here it just unites us more, I think 99% of this board are pro vaccines, so we united and laugh at them.
    Yes. Didn’t do much research

    One of the few things we DON’T argue about is the vax. Even @Dura_Ace - our only anti vaxxer? - lies low on this issue and is thereby tolerated

    The troll should have waded in with a contentious point about fish stock in microwaved risottos
    I don't think Dura_Ace is an antivaxxer in the pure sense.

    Only Misty and Contrarian are/were only bona fide antivaxxers.
    AIUI DA as a convinced vegan refuses to take the vaccine because it was tested on animals.

    Which is fair enough even if I think he's wrong.

    Contrarian, both in that name and as Misty, is just a complete bellend. A conspiracy theorist nut with a small brain and a massive ego.

    Did we ever find out if he actually does work for the DfE or SLC?
    I’m going to defend MISTY

    He/she is a valuable poster from the Trumpite right (albeit British). This is a voice almost unheard on PB, but it represents 74m English speakers in America, and we need to listen

    It will be a sad day on PB when we chase people off just for having contrary and unpopular opinions. That’s surely the joy of the site. All get a hearing, as long as they obey the rules and don’t mention that Mike SMITHSON is going a bit thin on top

    Nah, he's just an imbecile. Half the time he doesn't seem to know what he's posted.

    A day or so ago he was blasting Biden for calling Trump a fascist and asking if Lincoln would have said that.

    When I pointed out Lincoln had said much worse than that about the confederates, he went off on an incredible drunken rant about how that wasn't important because they were just words.
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 7,317

    Leon said:

    kle4 said:

    Leon said:

    Weird troll. What’s the point?

    I read a report that predicted a rise in Russian sponsored troll activity around the time the Ruskies would cut off gas to the West.

    It is to sow discord.

    The irony is on here it just unites us more, I think 99% of this board are pro vaccines, so we united and laugh at them.
    But, with all respect, why here?
    We're an agenda setting blog, I think 30% of our traffic emanates from Westminster IP addresses.

    Dave (pbuh) was a lurker whilst he was LOTO and PM.
    And snowflake of course. Who we often jousted with, without realising at the time
    Because she was crap.

    It was amazing how many regular(ish) posters on here turned out to be well-known mainstream politicians who had virtually no insight to offer - just tedious attack lines.

    In her case, it extended to me laying her for the Labour leadership as I felt she'd shown herself to be an empty vessel.
    I don't know if I missed some big coming out party but I'm not aware of many identities being confirmed. I know there's been speculation about snowflake and test but that's about it.
  • Snip
    Cyclefree said:


    Do I take it that Liz's big plan is to freeze prices for a few months, paid for by consumers and that nothing was said about businesses?

    Interesting that her vote share was lower than people seemed to expect.

    Rumour seems to be freeze them for 2 years (handily until the next election, I’m sure purely coincidental) and basically stick it on the credit card. Which is essentially the modern Tory way of governing.

    It is exactly what I was expecting and indeed I did mention this during the campaign (smug alert). Truss was never going to try and ride it out with some tax cuts and become the most unpopular PM in history a mere month after taking the job. This was always on the cards. The only thing she will focus on in the next 24 months is how she gets the Tories to a majority in 2024.

  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 2,798



    Leon said:

    Weird troll. What’s the point?

    I read a report that predicted a rise in Russian sponsored troll activity around the time the Ruskies would cut off gas to the West.

    It is to sow discord.

    The irony is on here it just unites us more, I think 99% of this board are pro vaccines, so we united and laugh at them.
    PB's response to new trolls is a glorious thing to see.

    Makes you proud to be British.
    Please sir, can we keep the next troll as a pet?

    I promise to feed it and take it for regular walks.

    Wasn't a troll in the usual sense. Referenced a post from a few weeks ago, so a lurker and or a regular posting under a different name. Wonder if they were banned for the vax stuff or because they were previously evicted.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 24,682
    Leon said:

    theakes said:

    Problem is not Truss, Sunak etc, it is the Tory brand. Like all governments round about 12 years they have reached their sell by date. So many occasions, 1908 -16, Liberal led, 1931 - 1945( National and Coalition, 1951 - 1964 (Conservative), 1979 - 1997 (Conservative, really it should have happened in 1992, 1997 - 2010, (Labour), now the general perception is Conservative 2010 - present.
    There is an inevitability about it, it is that time again, "We need a change", and there is no Corbyn to even delay the process.
    It cannot be stopped, whatever the Daily Express may try and say.

    Yes. My reading too. Labour will really have to screw up to lose in 2024

    The Tories are done for now, barring a black swan
    We've had enough of those, thank-you!

    Btw Greetings from Lago di Como. Beautiful, balmy, belissimo!
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 56,756

    Eabhal said:

    kle4 said:

    Leon said:

    Weird troll. What’s the point?

    I read a report that predicted a rise in Russian sponsored troll activity around the time the Ruskies would cut off gas to the West.

    It is to sow discord.

    The irony is on here it just unites us more, I think 99% of this board are pro vaccines, so we united and laugh at them.
    But, with all respect, why here?
    We're an agenda setting blog, I think 30% of our traffic emanates from Westminster IP addresses.

    Dave (pbuh) was a lurker whilst he was LOTO and PM.
    What amuses me is how comments (and that's below the line, from regular posters) can suspiciously work their way into MSM op-eds within 24-48 hours of their first appearance on here, and only on here.
    Good grief. I wish I was aware of this stuff. Are you suggesting we are getting plagiarised? I was convinced for quite some time that a very well known former spin doctor was posting on here prolifically but reluctantly concluded that it wasn't him.
    A variation on this theme - for about a week I thought I was dating DavidL's daughter. Was a different Dundee-based lawyer, thank goodness.

    (we're no longer together)
    " I think 30% of our traffic emanates from Westminster IP addresses."

    Wow. That is some stat.
    Thanks to PB I have something like 70 MPs of all parties following me

    Such Penny Mordaunt, Jake Berry (likely next Tory Chairman) other past and present cabinet ministers and minister. Shadow cabinet ministers as well.

    I have quite the following amongst SNP MPs for my honest take on Scottish polling.

    Even Alex Salmond follows me.
    You want to be careful given what happens to people he follows...
  • This was my favourite ever political follow on Twitter.

    As I was writing a piece saying David Cameron should replace Michael Gove as Education Secretary guess who started following me on Twitter?


  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 56,756
    Most incredible storm in the Midlands right now. Epicentre AFAICS is somewhere near Walsall. Lightning, thunder and torrential rain.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 10,233
    edited September 2022
    Carnyx said:

    stodge said:

    Mid evening all :)

    A trip up to Scotland for Liz Truss tomorrow and she will return "in triumph" to give us all a glimpse into many think will be a return to 1979.

    As I've said before, the Thatcherites had the not inconsiderable assistance of North Sea Oil, Privatisation receipts and a group of desperate idiots in Buenos Aires.

    I'd certainly argue Truss faces as daunting an in-tray as any incoming PM since Thatcher but one can also argue a lot of the problems are going to be hard for her to control directly. She can do nothing, for example, directly about the conflict in the Ukraine and she can do little about the fact of rising energy prices - both oil and gas rose in price today and it seems we may have to adjust to $90 a barrel oil as the "new normal".

    I remain a simpleton at heart compared to what I'm informed are the towering intellects on this forum - if the plan is to freeze energy bills for the consumers, fine, I get that but the fact remains the gas and electricity is being supplied at higher prices so someone is going to have to pay the balance - the Government presumably?

    I also remain bemused at how, given an annual debt interest of £100 billion and the other myriad calls on the public purse such as defence, health, pensions and the Police (all of which, we are told by Conservatives, are vital), there is any scope for more than a gesture in terms of reducing taxes and even then is that shortfall in revenue to be met by public expenditure reductions and if so, what, where and when?

    The more thoughtful local authorities, who are curious beasts by nature, are already war gaming 10-15% net reductions in Government financial support and the impact on Service provision. Some are already trying to sell off their mostly unused office space (I see central Government is trying to sell off £1.5 billion of office estate so JRM's plan to get the civil servants back to their desks, like all his other stupid ideas, is all image and no substance).

    It would be churlish not to wish Truss and the new Government well - I disagree with her at a fundamental philosophical level and I hope she and her Ministers adopt a less ideological and more pragmatic aspect in terms of practical governing (the successful PMs know when to be ideologues and when to be sensible in Government).

    Good post and of course the NI reverse was largely mitigated when Sunak excluded those earning £34,000 or less

    Th CBI said today that they pay 19% corporation tax already, but that in April an uplift to 25% was unwelcome i this climate
    Sunak never excluded those earning £34k or less. He excluded those earning about £12k or less.
    He excluded them from this years NI rise
    No he did not. That's just not true. There is no £34k threshold where tax rates change.

    The marginal tax rate someone on say £19k per annum is absolutely higher now than it was in March.
    Why then do HYUFD and BigG keep chanting 34K like some mantra, if I recall rightly? There must be some directive from CCHW somewhere. Would be interested to know the logic, if only to see who turns out to be right. Is there some confusion between NI and "tax"?
    Because the starting rate tax threshold went up to compensate, and £34k is the crossover rate at which you pay more than you gained from the tax threshold changes.

    Except taxing less the first £12k doesn't help address the fact that the marginal tax rate for someone over £12 can be obscenely high and has gone up further now. It also doesn't address the fact that those earning under £34k, many of them will be earning more and thus paying more in the future.

    Plus we have the fact that tax thresholds are frozen at the minute so being rapidly eroded by inflation rather than a triple lock. So the "giveaway" of raising the threshold to £12k will be rapidly eroded by inflation, but the tax rise will remain.

    Finally I believe £34k is the figure if you only look at employees NI. Employer NI is a tax on that employees wages too and is a payroll tax that suppresses wages so excluding it is just plain dodgy accounting.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 6,650
    Leon said:

    Cyclefree said:

    kle4 said:

    Leon said:

    Weird troll. What’s the point?

    I read a report that predicted a rise in Russian sponsored troll activity around the time the Ruskies would cut off gas to the West.

    It is to sow discord.

    The irony is on here it just unites us more, I think 99% of this board are pro vaccines, so we united and laugh at them.
    But, with all respect, why here?
    We're an agenda setting blog, I think 30% of our traffic emanates from Westminster IP addresses.

    Dave (pbuh) was a lurker whilst he was LOTO and PM.
    What amuses me is how comments (and that's below the line, from regular posters) can suspiciously work their way into MSM op-eds within 24-48 hours of their first appearance on here, and only on here.
    Good grief. I wish I was aware of this stuff. Are you suggesting we are getting plagiarised? I was convinced for quite some time that a very well known former spin doctor was posting on here prolifically but reluctantly concluded that it wasn't him.
    I've had quite a few of my pieces homaged within days, particularly the data heavy stuff.

    TLG86's pieces on population/birth rates were lifted recently as well.
    Some of my stuff has been borrowed too.
    Once the Norfolk MPs (including the new PM) start pushing hard on the restoration of the Wuffingas Kingdom i'll know i've got some real clout
    I’m pretty sure one well known Spectator writer just steals my stuff wholesale and turns it into articles on the magazine. Frankly, I don’t know what to do about it. Gone beyond a joke now
    I'm going to bombard the secret squirrel Westminster lurker freaks with Woolie wisdom.
    Proper Norfolk bloke nouse. Use it or lose it you privileged poncey boots twits.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 19,093

    Eabhal said:

    kle4 said:

    Leon said:

    Weird troll. What’s the point?

    I read a report that predicted a rise in Russian sponsored troll activity around the time the Ruskies would cut off gas to the West.

    It is to sow discord.

    The irony is on here it just unites us more, I think 99% of this board are pro vaccines, so we united and laugh at them.
    But, with all respect, why here?
    We're an agenda setting blog, I think 30% of our traffic emanates from Westminster IP addresses.

    Dave (pbuh) was a lurker whilst he was LOTO and PM.
    What amuses me is how comments (and that's below the line, from regular posters) can suspiciously work their way into MSM op-eds within 24-48 hours of their first appearance on here, and only on here.
    Good grief. I wish I was aware of this stuff. Are you suggesting we are getting plagiarised? I was convinced for quite some time that a very well known former spin doctor was posting on here prolifically but reluctantly concluded that it wasn't him.
    A variation on this theme - for about a week I thought I was dating DavidL's daughter. Was a different Dundee-based lawyer, thank goodness.

    (we're no longer together)
    " I think 30% of our traffic emanates from Westminster IP addresses."

    Wow. That is some stat.
    Thanks to PB I have something like 70 MPs of all parties following me

    Such Penny Mordaunt, Jake Berry (likely next Tory Chairman) other past and present cabinet ministers and minister. Shadow cabinet ministers as well.

    I have quite the following amongst SNP MPs for my honest take on Scottish polling.

    Even Alex Salmond follows me.
    Indeed, the Alex Salmond give away is Salmond is pictured next to you in your PB avatar
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 6,650

    Eabhal said:

    kle4 said:

    Leon said:

    Weird troll. What’s the point?

    I read a report that predicted a rise in Russian sponsored troll activity around the time the Ruskies would cut off gas to the West.

    It is to sow discord.

    The irony is on here it just unites us more, I think 99% of this board are pro vaccines, so we united and laugh at them.
    But, with all respect, why here?
    We're an agenda setting blog, I think 30% of our traffic emanates from Westminster IP addresses.

    Dave (pbuh) was a lurker whilst he was LOTO and PM.
    What amuses me is how comments (and that's below the line, from regular posters) can suspiciously work their way into MSM op-eds within 24-48 hours of their first appearance on here, and only on here.
    Good grief. I wish I was aware of this stuff. Are you suggesting we are getting plagiarised? I was convinced for quite some time that a very well known former spin doctor was posting on here prolifically but reluctantly concluded that it wasn't him.
    A variation on this theme - for about a week I thought I was dating DavidL's daughter. Was a different Dundee-based lawyer, thank goodness.

    (we're no longer together)
    " I think 30% of our traffic emanates from Westminster IP addresses."

    Wow. That is some stat.
    Thanks to PB I have something like 70 MPs of all parties following me

    Such Penny Mordaunt, Jake Berry (likely next Tory Chairman) other past and present cabinet ministers and minister. Shadow cabinet ministers as well.

    I have quite the following amongst SNP MPs for my honest take on Scottish polling.

    Even Alex Salmond follows me.
    They just like your poncey shoes. They have no taste.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 30,637
    ydoethur said:

    Leon said:

    ydoethur said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Weird troll. What’s the point?

    I read a report that predicted a rise in Russian sponsored troll activity around the time the Ruskies would cut off gas to the West.

    It is to sow discord.

    The irony is on here it just unites us more, I think 99% of this board are pro vaccines, so we united and laugh at them.
    Yes. Didn’t do much research

    One of the few things we DON’T argue about is the vax. Even @Dura_Ace - our only anti vaxxer? - lies low on this issue and is thereby tolerated

    The troll should have waded in with a contentious point about fish stock in microwaved risottos
    I don't think Dura_Ace is an antivaxxer in the pure sense.

    Only Misty and Contrarian are/were only bona fide antivaxxers.
    AIUI DA as a convinced vegan refuses to take the vaccine because it was tested on animals.

    Which is fair enough even if I think he's wrong.

    Contrarian, both in that name and as Misty, is just a complete bellend. A conspiracy theorist nut with a small brain and a massive ego.

    Did we ever find out if he actually does work for the DfE or SLC?
    I’m going to defend MISTY

    He/she is a valuable poster from the Trumpite right (albeit British). This is a voice almost unheard on PB, but it represents 74m English speakers in America, and we need to listen

    It will be a sad day on PB when we chase people off just for having contrary and unpopular opinions. That’s surely the joy of the site. All get a hearing, as long as they obey the rules and don’t mention that Mike SMITHSON is going a bit thin on top

    Nah, he's just an imbecile. Half the time he doesn't seem to know what he's posted.

    A day or so ago he was blasting Biden for calling Trump a fascist and asking if Lincoln would have said that.

    When I pointed out Lincoln had said much worse than that about the confederates, he went off on an incredible drunken rant about how that wasn't important because they were just words.
    Fair enough. You’re entitled to your opinion, natch

    Just don’t ban people for being imbeciles - or Trumpites. Let all voices join the choir. Free speech is getting ever rarer as all sides polarise. pb Is a splendid exception. I may have to stop before I get emotional
  • Carnyx said:

    RobD said:

    This is what portfolio manager ed down says about the vaccines

    The all-cause mortality endpoint, this is something we need to talk about. Normally, if you’re a single product biotech company and you do a clinical trial that fails the all-cause mortality endpoint, the drug does not get approved [by the FDA].

    At the end of the day, if the risk is higher than the benefit, this thing doesn’t get approved. The all-cause mortality endpoint for the Pfizer vaccine, when they touted its effectiveness, they conveniently hid that data point from everybody. It came out in the FOIA request in the fall and, again, the trial was only 28 days.

    This is also just unprecedented. So, in 28 days, there was something like 23 deaths in the vaccine group and 17 in the placebo group, which gives all-cause mortality excess of 23%. It should not have been approved on that alone. That’s fraud in my humble opinion.”

    Seriously, did you just join a discussion forum about politics and betting to discuss vaccine conspiracy theories?
    Must be from Inverness (though not typical of the place):

    https://www.google.com/maps/@57.4785084,-4.2311338,3a,31.6y,163.61h,88.11t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s8w22Ni5ETxDvZKfPzMY57g!2e0!5s20201101T000000!7i16384!8i8192
    It's a very weird state of affairs. We have pretty hardcore presbys, and then a bunch of neo-druid hippy types up here. I was aghast when my supervisor told me that crystal healing was really popular in Inverness. That said, local rumour was the flat earth shop was some kind of tax dodge (though I wouldn't know what) rather than serious.
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 7,317
    Can we please spare a thought at this difficult time for OGH. What were his odds on Sunak?

    Did anyone else initially think Sunak had won because they were following this thread and saw Hyufd's numbers?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 56,756
    edited September 2022
    Leon said:

    ydoethur said:

    Leon said:

    ydoethur said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Weird troll. What’s the point?

    I read a report that predicted a rise in Russian sponsored troll activity around the time the Ruskies would cut off gas to the West.

    It is to sow discord.

    The irony is on here it just unites us more, I think 99% of this board are pro vaccines, so we united and laugh at them.
    Yes. Didn’t do much research

    One of the few things we DON’T argue about is the vax. Even @Dura_Ace - our only anti vaxxer? - lies low on this issue and is thereby tolerated

    The troll should have waded in with a contentious point about fish stock in microwaved risottos
    I don't think Dura_Ace is an antivaxxer in the pure sense.

    Only Misty and Contrarian are/were only bona fide antivaxxers.
    AIUI DA as a convinced vegan refuses to take the vaccine because it was tested on animals.

    Which is fair enough even if I think he's wrong.

    Contrarian, both in that name and as Misty, is just a complete bellend. A conspiracy theorist nut with a small brain and a massive ego.

    Did we ever find out if he actually does work for the DfE or SLC?
    I’m going to defend MISTY

    He/she is a valuable poster from the Trumpite right (albeit British). This is a voice almost unheard on PB, but it represents 74m English speakers in America, and we need to listen

    It will be a sad day on PB when we chase people off just for having contrary and unpopular opinions. That’s surely the joy of the site. All get a hearing, as long as they obey the rules and don’t mention that Mike SMITHSON is going a bit thin on top

    Nah, he's just an imbecile. Half the time he doesn't seem to know what he's posted.

    A day or so ago he was blasting Biden for calling Trump a fascist and asking if Lincoln would have said that.

    When I pointed out Lincoln had said much worse than that about the confederates, he went off on an incredible drunken rant about how that wasn't important because they were just words.
    Fair enough. You’re entitled to your opinion, natch

    Just don’t ban people for being imbeciles - or Trumpites. Let all voices join the choir. Free speech is getting ever rarer as all sides polarise. pb Is a splendid exception. I may have to stop before I get emotional
    I don't think I've ever suggested anyone be banned, although I could be wrong. Not even our favourite ex-army officer, who got very hot under the collar and abusive to the extent of actually libelling me after I criticised him for being a bully, as is his wont.

    I haven't, for the matter of that, asked for Misty to be banned. I'm just pointing out he's a nasty piece of work and totally unreliable.
  • Can we please spare a thought at this difficult time for OGH. What were his odds on Sunak?

    Did anyone else initially think Sunak had won because they were following this thread and saw Hyufd's numbers?

    250/1

    I spoke to OGH earlier on this evening, he made a profit on this market.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 6,650
    Giorgio Tsoukalos was following me at one point. He obviously thought i was evidence of alien contact in the past
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 7,317
    ydoethur said:

    Most incredible storm in the Midlands right now. Epicentre AFAICS is somewhere near Walsall. Lightning, thunder and torrential rain.

    Cardiff had some proper thunder around 7pm. Might have been a short power cut.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 23,356
    From 20 September last year -


  • Can we please spare a thought at this difficult time for OGH. What were his odds on Sunak?

    Did anyone else initially think Sunak had won because they were following this thread and saw Hyufd's numbers?

    250/1

    I spoke to OGH earlier on this evening, he made a profit on this market.
    When someone you've backed at 250/1 comes in to favourite its possible to build a healthy all-green trading position.

    I lumped my entire Smarkets and Betfair 'bank' on Truss just before the first debate so ended up with a healthy profit from that, even if it wasn't as big as it could have been, no complaints. :)

    Hope many people made a profit today. 😎
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 28,836
    Unpopular said:

    Carnyx said:

    RobD said:

    This is what portfolio manager ed down says about the vaccines

    The all-cause mortality endpoint, this is something we need to talk about. Normally, if you’re a single product biotech company and you do a clinical trial that fails the all-cause mortality endpoint, the drug does not get approved [by the FDA].

    At the end of the day, if the risk is higher than the benefit, this thing doesn’t get approved. The all-cause mortality endpoint for the Pfizer vaccine, when they touted its effectiveness, they conveniently hid that data point from everybody. It came out in the FOIA request in the fall and, again, the trial was only 28 days.

    This is also just unprecedented. So, in 28 days, there was something like 23 deaths in the vaccine group and 17 in the placebo group, which gives all-cause mortality excess of 23%. It should not have been approved on that alone. That’s fraud in my humble opinion.”

    Seriously, did you just join a discussion forum about politics and betting to discuss vaccine conspiracy theories?
    Must be from Inverness (though not typical of the place):

    https://www.google.com/maps/@57.4785084,-4.2311338,3a,31.6y,163.61h,88.11t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s8w22Ni5ETxDvZKfPzMY57g!2e0!5s20201101T000000!7i16384!8i8192
    It's a very weird state of affairs. We have pretty hardcore presbys, and then a bunch of neo-druid hippy types up here. I was aghast when my supervisor told me that crystal healing was really popular in Inverness. That said, local rumour was the flat earth shop was some kind of tax dodge (though I wouldn't know what) rather than serious.
    I can well believe it - especially seeing the rag tree at Munlochy (wouldn't be so quite bad if only they'd use biodegradable textiles).
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 24,682

    Leon said:

    theakes said:

    Problem is not Truss, Sunak etc, it is the Tory brand. Like all governments round about 12 years they have reached their sell by date. So many occasions, 1908 -16, Liberal led, 1931 - 1945( National and Coalition, 1951 - 1964 (Conservative), 1979 - 1997 (Conservative, really it should have happened in 1992, 1997 - 2010, (Labour), now the general perception is Conservative 2010 - present.
    There is an inevitability about it, it is that time again, "We need a change", and there is no Corbyn to even delay the process.
    It cannot be stopped, whatever the Daily Express may try and say.

    Yes. My reading too. Labour will really have to screw up to lose in 2024

    The Tories are done for now, barring a black swan
    We've had enough of those, thank-you!

    Btw Greetings from Lago di Como. Beautiful, balmy, belissimo!

    Hotel La Darsena

    image
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 56,756

    ydoethur said:

    Most incredible storm in the Midlands right now. Epicentre AFAICS is somewhere near Walsall. Lightning, thunder and torrential rain.

    Cardiff had some proper thunder around 7pm. Might have been a short power cut.
    About bang overhead now. Very humid.
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 1,816
    edited September 2022
    Leon said:

    Cyclefree said:

    kle4 said:

    Leon said:

    Weird troll. What’s the point?

    I read a report that predicted a rise in Russian sponsored troll activity around the time the Ruskies would cut off gas to the West.

    It is to sow discord.

    The irony is on here it just unites us more, I think 99% of this board are pro vaccines, so we united and laugh at them.
    But, with all respect, why here?
    We're an agenda setting blog, I think 30% of our traffic emanates from Westminster IP addresses.

    Dave (pbuh) was a lurker whilst he was LOTO and PM.
    What amuses me is how comments (and that's below the line, from regular posters) can suspiciously work their way into MSM op-eds within 24-48 hours of their first appearance on here, and only on here.
    Good grief. I wish I was aware of this stuff. Are you suggesting we are getting plagiarised? I was convinced for quite some time that a very well known former spin doctor was posting on here prolifically but reluctantly concluded that it wasn't him.
    I've had quite a few of my pieces homaged within days, particularly the data heavy stuff.

    TLG86's pieces on population/birth rates were lifted recently as well.
    Some of my stuff has been borrowed too.
    Once the Norfolk MPs (including the new PM) start pushing hard on the restoration of the Wuffingas Kingdom i'll know i've got some real clout
    I’m pretty sure one well known Spectator writer just steals my stuff wholesale and turns it into articles on the magazine. Frankly, I don’t know what to do about it. Gone beyond a joke now
    Bet his next article is about journalists nicking people's stuff off the comments section of websites
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 7,459
    edited September 2022
    The Guardian's comment section is on top of all the major current social issues today, I see.

    "My online chess addiction was ruining my life. Something had to change".

    Elsewhere is a slightly confused article first celebrating the lack of white men in key positions in the new government, but then apparently switching to saying these are the wrong sort of non-white men, as they're not helping other people from minorities. This is one of the perils of an identity-only approach.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 30,637
    ydoethur said:

    Leon said:

    ydoethur said:

    Leon said:

    ydoethur said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Weird troll. What’s the point?

    I read a report that predicted a rise in Russian sponsored troll activity around the time the Ruskies would cut off gas to the West.

    It is to sow discord.

    The irony is on here it just unites us more, I think 99% of this board are pro vaccines, so we united and laugh at them.
    Yes. Didn’t do much research

    One of the few things we DON’T argue about is the vax. Even @Dura_Ace - our only anti vaxxer? - lies low on this issue and is thereby tolerated

    The troll should have waded in with a contentious point about fish stock in microwaved risottos
    I don't think Dura_Ace is an antivaxxer in the pure sense.

    Only Misty and Contrarian are/were only bona fide antivaxxers.
    AIUI DA as a convinced vegan refuses to take the vaccine because it was tested on animals.

    Which is fair enough even if I think he's wrong.

    Contrarian, both in that name and as Misty, is just a complete bellend. A conspiracy theorist nut with a small brain and a massive ego.

    Did we ever find out if he actually does work for the DfE or SLC?
    I’m going to defend MISTY

    He/she is a valuable poster from the Trumpite right (albeit British). This is a voice almost unheard on PB, but it represents 74m English speakers in America, and we need to listen

    It will be a sad day on PB when we chase people off just for having contrary and unpopular opinions. That’s surely the joy of the site. All get a hearing, as long as they obey the rules and don’t mention that Mike SMITHSON is going a bit thin on top

    Nah, he's just an imbecile. Half the time he doesn't seem to know what he's posted.

    A day or so ago he was blasting Biden for calling Trump a fascist and asking if Lincoln would have said that.

    When I pointed out Lincoln had said much worse than that about the confederates, he went off on an incredible drunken rant about how that wasn't important because they were just words.
    Fair enough. You’re entitled to your opinion, natch

    Just don’t ban people for being imbeciles - or Trumpites. Let all voices join the choir. Free speech is getting ever rarer as all sides polarise. pb Is a splendid exception. I may have to stop before I get emotional
    I don't think I've ever suggested anyone be banned, although I could be wrong. Not even our favourite ex-army officer, who got very hot under the collar and abusive to the extent of actually libelling me after I criticised him for being a bully, as is his wont.

    I haven't, for the matter of that, asked for Misty to be banned. I'm just pointing out he's a nasty piece of work and totally unreliable.
    Indeed. You haven’t called for anyone to be banned IIRC

    Tho that starts to make me suspicious. Perhaps you should be banned for being weirdly reasonable at all times
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 28,836

    Carnyx said:

    stodge said:

    Mid evening all :)

    A trip up to Scotland for Liz Truss tomorrow and she will return "in triumph" to give us all a glimpse into many think will be a return to 1979.

    As I've said before, the Thatcherites had the not inconsiderable assistance of North Sea Oil, Privatisation receipts and a group of desperate idiots in Buenos Aires.

    I'd certainly argue Truss faces as daunting an in-tray as any incoming PM since Thatcher but one can also argue a lot of the problems are going to be hard for her to control directly. She can do nothing, for example, directly about the conflict in the Ukraine and she can do little about the fact of rising energy prices - both oil and gas rose in price today and it seems we may have to adjust to $90 a barrel oil as the "new normal".

    I remain a simpleton at heart compared to what I'm informed are the towering intellects on this forum - if the plan is to freeze energy bills for the consumers, fine, I get that but the fact remains the gas and electricity is being supplied at higher prices so someone is going to have to pay the balance - the Government presumably?

    I also remain bemused at how, given an annual debt interest of £100 billion and the other myriad calls on the public purse such as defence, health, pensions and the Police (all of which, we are told by Conservatives, are vital), there is any scope for more than a gesture in terms of reducing taxes and even then is that shortfall in revenue to be met by public expenditure reductions and if so, what, where and when?

    The more thoughtful local authorities, who are curious beasts by nature, are already war gaming 10-15% net reductions in Government financial support and the impact on Service provision. Some are already trying to sell off their mostly unused office space (I see central Government is trying to sell off £1.5 billion of office estate so JRM's plan to get the civil servants back to their desks, like all his other stupid ideas, is all image and no substance).

    It would be churlish not to wish Truss and the new Government well - I disagree with her at a fundamental philosophical level and I hope she and her Ministers adopt a less ideological and more pragmatic aspect in terms of practical governing (the successful PMs know when to be ideologues and when to be sensible in Government).

    Good post and of course the NI reverse was largely mitigated when Sunak excluded those earning £34,000 or less

    Th CBI said today that they pay 19% corporation tax already, but that in April an uplift to 25% was unwelcome i this climate
    Sunak never excluded those earning £34k or less. He excluded those earning about £12k or less.
    He excluded them from this years NI rise
    No he did not. That's just not true. There is no £34k threshold where tax rates change.

    The marginal tax rate someone on say £19k per annum is absolutely higher now than it was in March.
    Why then do HYUFD and BigG keep chanting 34K like some mantra, if I recall rightly? There must be some directive from CCHW somewhere. Would be interested to know the logic, if only to see who turns out to be right. Is there some confusion between NI and "tax"?
    Because the starting rate tax threshold went up to compensate, and £34k is the crossover rate at which you pay more than you gained from the tax threshold changes.

    Except taxing less the first £12k doesn't help address the fact that the marginal tax rate for someone over £12 can be obscenely high and has gone up further now. It also doesn't address the fact that those earning under £34k, many of them will be earning more and thus paying more in the future.

    Plus we have the fact that tax thresholds are frozen at the minute so being rapidly eroded by inflation rather than a triple lock. So the "giveaway" of raising the threshold to £12k will be rapidly eroded by inflation, but the tax rise will remain.

    Finally I believe £34k is the figure if you only look at employees NI. Employer NI is a tax on that employees wages too and is a payroll tax that suppresses wages so excluding it is just plain dodgy accounting.
    Thanks. And of course the crossover would presumably be c. 30K in 2023/24 money, too.
  • The Guardian comment section is on top of all the major current social issues today, I see.

    "My online chess addiction was ruining my life. Something had to change".

    Elsewhere is a confused article first celebrating the lack of white men in key positions in the new government, but then apparebtly switching to saying these are the wrong sort of non-white men.

    They so wanted to use the words Uncle and Tom didn't they?
  • kle4 said:

    Leon said:

    Weird troll. What’s the point?

    I read a report that predicted a rise in Russian sponsored troll activity around the time the Ruskies would cut off gas to the West.

    It is to sow discord.

    The irony is on here it just unites us more, I think 99% of this board are pro vaccines, so we united and laugh at them.
    But, with all respect, why here?
    We're an agenda setting blog, I think 30% of our traffic emanates from Westminster IP addresses.

    Dave (pbuh) was a lurker whilst he was LOTO and PM.
    What amuses me is how comments (and that's below the line, from regular posters) can suspiciously work their way into MSM op-eds within 24-48 hours of their first appearance on here, and only on here.
    The funniest thing was on GE 2017 night.

    About a dozen people contacted me saying listening to George Osborne on the ITV coverage was just like reading my comments/posts/tweets.

    It was frighteningly uncanny.
    The power of telepathy? Except for the profanity and double entendres. I mean Gids, not you, of course.
    Please, it is single entendres.

    If only Penny Mordaunt had become PM today, we would finally have a PM who shared my sense of humour.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 29,264
    From Isabel’s Spec Evening Blend 😂 https://twitter.com/fifisyms/status/1566889933117194241/photo/1


  • LeonLeon Posts: 30,637

    Leon said:

    theakes said:

    Problem is not Truss, Sunak etc, it is the Tory brand. Like all governments round about 12 years they have reached their sell by date. So many occasions, 1908 -16, Liberal led, 1931 - 1945( National and Coalition, 1951 - 1964 (Conservative), 1979 - 1997 (Conservative, really it should have happened in 1992, 1997 - 2010, (Labour), now the general perception is Conservative 2010 - present.
    There is an inevitability about it, it is that time again, "We need a change", and there is no Corbyn to even delay the process.
    It cannot be stopped, whatever the Daily Express may try and say.

    Yes. My reading too. Labour will really have to screw up to lose in 2024

    The Tories are done for now, barring a black swan
    We've had enough of those, thank-you!

    Btw Greetings from Lago di Como. Beautiful, balmy, belissimo!

    Hotel La Darsena

    image
    Ahhhhh that’s lovely. The Italian lakes

    My dear old mum swears by them as a cure for any emotional ailment. Any grief, sadness or heartbreak. She has a point
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 10,233
    edited September 2022
    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    stodge said:

    Mid evening all :)

    A trip up to Scotland for Liz Truss tomorrow and she will return "in triumph" to give us all a glimpse into many think will be a return to 1979.

    As I've said before, the Thatcherites had the not inconsiderable assistance of North Sea Oil, Privatisation receipts and a group of desperate idiots in Buenos Aires.

    I'd certainly argue Truss faces as daunting an in-tray as any incoming PM since Thatcher but one can also argue a lot of the problems are going to be hard for her to control directly. She can do nothing, for example, directly about the conflict in the Ukraine and she can do little about the fact of rising energy prices - both oil and gas rose in price today and it seems we may have to adjust to $90 a barrel oil as the "new normal".

    I remain a simpleton at heart compared to what I'm informed are the towering intellects on this forum - if the plan is to freeze energy bills for the consumers, fine, I get that but the fact remains the gas and electricity is being supplied at higher prices so someone is going to have to pay the balance - the Government presumably?

    I also remain bemused at how, given an annual debt interest of £100 billion and the other myriad calls on the public purse such as defence, health, pensions and the Police (all of which, we are told by Conservatives, are vital), there is any scope for more than a gesture in terms of reducing taxes and even then is that shortfall in revenue to be met by public expenditure reductions and if so, what, where and when?

    The more thoughtful local authorities, who are curious beasts by nature, are already war gaming 10-15% net reductions in Government financial support and the impact on Service provision. Some are already trying to sell off their mostly unused office space (I see central Government is trying to sell off £1.5 billion of office estate so JRM's plan to get the civil servants back to their desks, like all his other stupid ideas, is all image and no substance).

    It would be churlish not to wish Truss and the new Government well - I disagree with her at a fundamental philosophical level and I hope she and her Ministers adopt a less ideological and more pragmatic aspect in terms of practical governing (the successful PMs know when to be ideologues and when to be sensible in Government).

    Good post and of course the NI reverse was largely mitigated when Sunak excluded those earning £34,000 or less

    Th CBI said today that they pay 19% corporation tax already, but that in April an uplift to 25% was unwelcome i this climate
    Sunak never excluded those earning £34k or less. He excluded those earning about £12k or less.
    He excluded them from this years NI rise
    No he did not. That's just not true. There is no £34k threshold where tax rates change.

    The marginal tax rate someone on say £19k per annum is absolutely higher now than it was in March.
    Why then do HYUFD and BigG keep chanting 34K like some mantra, if I recall rightly? There must be some directive from CCHW somewhere. Would be interested to know the logic, if only to see who turns out to be right. Is there some confusion between NI and "tax"?
    Because the starting rate tax threshold went up to compensate, and £34k is the crossover rate at which you pay more than you gained from the tax threshold changes.

    Except taxing less the first £12k doesn't help address the fact that the marginal tax rate for someone over £12 can be obscenely high and has gone up further now. It also doesn't address the fact that those earning under £34k, many of them will be earning more and thus paying more in the future.

    Plus we have the fact that tax thresholds are frozen at the minute so being rapidly eroded by inflation rather than a triple lock. So the "giveaway" of raising the threshold to £12k will be rapidly eroded by inflation, but the tax rise will remain.

    Finally I believe £34k is the figure if you only look at employees NI. Employer NI is a tax on that employees wages too and is a payroll tax that suppresses wages so excluding it is just plain dodgy accounting.
    Thanks. And of course the crossover would presumably be c. 30K in 2023/24 money, too.
    Yes precisely, c. 30k next year in real terms and that's ignoring the fact that Employers NI is a tax on your wage too, and it only gets worse from there.

    I truly despise this tax rise and went off Sunak and Boris solely because of that. For me this is a totemic test for Truss, she simply must for me honour the commitment to reverse it. If she doesn't, if it was a lie, then I will go off her faster than you can say betrayal.
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 2,827
    ydoethur said:

    Most incredible storm in the Midlands right now. Epicentre AFAICS is somewhere near Walsall. Lightning, thunder and torrential rain.

    There's a band across the whole country from Liverpool to Portsmouth.

    There were a huge number of lightning strikes over the UK last night (36k or something). Looks like a repeat tonight.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 56,756
    edited September 2022
    Leon said:

    ydoethur said:

    Leon said:

    ydoethur said:

    Leon said:

    ydoethur said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Weird troll. What’s the point?

    I read a report that predicted a rise in Russian sponsored troll activity around the time the Ruskies would cut off gas to the West.

    It is to sow discord.

    The irony is on here it just unites us more, I think 99% of this board are pro vaccines, so we united and laugh at them.
    Yes. Didn’t do much research

    One of the few things we DON’T argue about is the vax. Even @Dura_Ace - our only anti vaxxer? - lies low on this issue and is thereby tolerated

    The troll should have waded in with a contentious point about fish stock in microwaved risottos
    I don't think Dura_Ace is an antivaxxer in the pure sense.

    Only Misty and Contrarian are/were only bona fide antivaxxers.
    AIUI DA as a convinced vegan refuses to take the vaccine because it was tested on animals.

    Which is fair enough even if I think he's wrong.

    Contrarian, both in that name and as Misty, is just a complete bellend. A conspiracy theorist nut with a small brain and a massive ego.

    Did we ever find out if he actually does work for the DfE or SLC?
    I’m going to defend MISTY

    He/she is a valuable poster from the Trumpite right (albeit British). This is a voice almost unheard on PB, but it represents 74m English speakers in America, and we need to listen

    It will be a sad day on PB when we chase people off just for having contrary and unpopular opinions. That’s surely the joy of the site. All get a hearing, as long as they obey the rules and don’t mention that Mike SMITHSON is going a bit thin on top

    Nah, he's just an imbecile. Half the time he doesn't seem to know what he's posted.

    A day or so ago he was blasting Biden for calling Trump a fascist and asking if Lincoln would have said that.

    When I pointed out Lincoln had said much worse than that about the confederates, he went off on an incredible drunken rant about how that wasn't important because they were just words.
    Fair enough. You’re entitled to your opinion, natch

    Just don’t ban people for being imbeciles - or Trumpites. Let all voices join the choir. Free speech is getting ever rarer as all sides polarise. pb Is a splendid exception. I may have to stop before I get emotional
    I don't think I've ever suggested anyone be banned, although I could be wrong. Not even our favourite ex-army officer, who got very hot under the collar and abusive to the extent of actually libelling me after I criticised him for being a bully, as is his wont.

    I haven't, for the matter of that, asked for Misty to be banned. I'm just pointing out he's a nasty piece of work and totally unreliable.
    Indeed. You haven’t called for anyone to be banned IIRC

    Tho that starts to make me suspicious. Perhaps you should be banned for being weirdly reasonable at all times
    It's my background in Newent, of course.

    I even have many good words for the DfE.

    Words like scum, fools, drunks...
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 6,650

    The Guardian comment section is on top of all the major current social issues today, I see.

    "My online chess addiction was ruining my life. Something had to change".

    Elsewhere is a confused article first celebrating the lack of white men in key positions in the new government, but then apparebtly switching to saying these are the wrong sort of non-white men.

    They so wanted to use the words Uncle and Tom didn't they?
    If the enemy are combatting racial inequality maybe its time to beget the Bigot? Mused the Guardian editorial team
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    Scott_xP said:
    The big what?
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 29,264
    Only 1 in 7 Britons say Truss will be better than Boris Johnson as PM - poll http://reut.rs/3QldUKh https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1566891657810911237/photo/1
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 24,682
    edited September 2022
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    theakes said:

    Problem is not Truss, Sunak etc, it is the Tory brand. Like all governments round about 12 years they have reached their sell by date. So many occasions, 1908 -16, Liberal led, 1931 - 1945( National and Coalition, 1951 - 1964 (Conservative), 1979 - 1997 (Conservative, really it should have happened in 1992, 1997 - 2010, (Labour), now the general perception is Conservative 2010 - present.
    There is an inevitability about it, it is that time again, "We need a change", and there is no Corbyn to even delay the process.
    It cannot be stopped, whatever the Daily Express may try and say.

    Yes. My reading too. Labour will really have to screw up to lose in 2024

    The Tories are done for now, barring a black swan
    We've had enough of those, thank-you!

    Btw Greetings from Lago di Como. Beautiful, balmy, belissimo!

    Hotel La Darsena

    image
    Ahhhhh that’s lovely. The Italian lakes

    My dear old mum swears by them as a cure for any emotional ailment. Any grief, sadness or heartbreak. She has a point
    It's very lovely, very safe and middle-class, tbf.

    Excellent food, beautiful lakeside towns, 25°C, warm sunshine... what could be finer hopping from shore to shore on the Navigazione Laghi?

    Btw, spent several nights in Beaune on the way down. Another gem.

    Anyone who thinks France has gone down the pan needs to visit Beaune, and be rudely corrected.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 56,756
    Scott_xP said:

    Only 1 in 7 Britons say Truss will be better than Boris Johnson as PM - poll http://reut.rs/3QldUKh https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1566891657810911237/photo/1

    *Shakes head slowly.*

    You must admire the Conservative talent for the impossible. They sacked the worst a PM of all time, the man who after two centuries dethroned Goderich, and got somebody who seems likely to be even worse.

    Although a talent for doing the impossible might come in useful at the moment.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 24,682
    IshmaelZ said:

    Scott_xP said:
    The big what?
    The big cliffhanger?
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