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Some worrying findings for the Tories from Opinium – politicalbetting.com

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edited September 15 in General
Some worrying findings for the Tories from Opinium – politicalbetting.com

By comparison to voters as a whole, 2019 Conservative voters are heavily undecided on who the best candidate for prime minister would be.> 30% think Rishi Sunak would be the best prime minister> 28% think Liz Truss would be> 30% think neither of them would be pic.twitter.com/UdvMkRrUFj

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  • No Tory poll leads for nigh on NINE MONTHS!
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    ///first.onthis.thread
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    IshmaelZ said:

    ///first.onthis.thread

    See? That's the w3w address for the second post on a thread. the system works.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 6,648
    edited September 3
    Replying to @Leon from the last thread
    Dystopian indeed. It doesnt take much reading between the lines from a September announcement of a Jan to Mar subsidy of bus fares so people can afford to get to work to work out just how much shit we are in. Expect many more such things being announced, get your freezer stocked and buy a new kettle.
    I invested in 2 very nice hoodies in Scotland. Toasty.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 55,093
    Her polling is at a monumental high compared to how it will be by November frankly.



  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 11,238
    Opinion polls are the least of their worries. It’s the real world that has hit the fan.
  • RazedabodeRazedabode Posts: 2,654
    Ahah. Tories have chosen 1) a worse leader 2) one with barely any parliamentary support 3) a leader who - when’s she seen more - the less people like her (which means you can’t even think of taking her into a GE

    She won’t last long. At all
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 30,017

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    MISTY said:

    I wonder why Father Calv crowbarred paedophillia into a tweet about transgender issues?



    Only joking, I know exactly why he did!

    Actually there is genuine concern about why some people may be keen to encourage the use of puberty blockers. It is worthy of consideration.
    Genuine concerns about x, words to define the age we live in.

    I know we don't see eye to eye on much UD, but Babylon Berlin is utterly FAB and thanks again for the recommendation.
    👍 Cool. I admit to have becoming totally fanboi about the series to the point of being evangelical, but glad if I've made at least one convert!
    I liked Rings of Power a lot. Am I alone here?

    First of all, the elements we can all agree on? There’s nothing wrong with the excellent soundtrack and score, use of music and sound was good. And the Title Sequence is quite excellent too. I enjoyed the visual spectacle - the hidden Hobbit village coming alive was very good.

    Pacing we could argue over. I thought the first episode had a good pace. There was discussion here last week, horror tales tend be short, if it’s long then it becomes more than horror - similar here in that making Rings of Power have pace, action and suspense it has to move away from pure Tolkienism - indeed hiding from, and the battle with the big Orc, sequence Spielberg would have been proud of.

    And whilst some of the script was a little lame, some performances were very good. Markella Kavenagh steals acting honours as adventurous Hobbit Nori - Ismael Córdova as buttoned up Elf Arondir likeable too.

    Too early to say about Characterisation just two episodes in. Accents. Maybe a bit like Derry Girls doing Midsummer Nights Dream at times?

    If Tolkien purists were to argue it’s not true to Tolkien enough, I would argue it builds upon what Tolkien offered, mankind fighting for Morgoth so held in suspicion for example. For purists I’m reminded about what Stu from Romford said about ism’s earlier today. How do the purists know that the man himself wouldn’t watch this and enjoy it?

    Loved Galadriel’s warrior eye make up when she took down the troll, I’m going to do mine like that. 😍
    You're also the only remaining fan of Yorkshire County Cricket Club. That's a warning light about your judgment :smile:

    What would Tolkien have thought? Well, there are a couple of answers to that. First of all, he really hated people making changes to his ideas. In fact he vetoed several possible film productions of the Lord of the rings because they wanted to alter plot points, commenting, 'I don't mind people leaving things out, but I wish they wouldn't change things.' Therefore, we can probably say that he would be pretty pissed off with what's been done here in terms of his Legendarium.

    However, there is another side to this. The character of Galadriel in particular changed a great deal as he was writing about her. So, for example, in the fellowship of the ring she describes herself as having passed over the mountains of the fall of Nargothrond or Gondolin to join Celeborn who is that point appears to have been a Nandorin elf. However by the time he wrote the appendices he changed his mind and Celeborn and Galadriel ran the kingdom of south Lindon for many years after the end of the second age having met in Doriath.

    Yet another version of her backstory in unfinished tales shows her and Celeborn as the Lord and Lady of Eregion having founded it sometime after the end of the first stage.

    Now, anyone of these could make an excellent story which makes it deeply puzzling that the writers have decided to ditch the whole bloody lot and come up with something totally different but wildly inconsistent with the texts and in fact not very convincing on the first couple of episodes.

    Which is roughly why I'm not very impressed with them.
    The thing is: I really don't care what Tolkien would have thought. I want an entertaining story, well told. Perhaps there were reasons for the changes; perhaps not. It's a series *inspired* by his writing, not a word-for-word reciting of the story.

    In the same way the TV series 'Elementary' had very little connection with Conan Doyle's stories, but was still far more faithful than the BBC's Sherlock.
    Perhaps. But so far, I haven't found this especially entertaining. Certainly less so than any of the ideas they could have picked up and run with from Tolkien's writing.

    I've watched an episode and a half. It's unlikely I'll watch the rest.
    What’s all this I’m missing? I only popped on for the Opinium.

    “ You're also the only remaining fan of Yorkshire County Cricket Club. That's a warning light about your judgment “

    Who woke you up grumpy old Gandalf. 🤣.

    Well I’m enjoying how they have made it suspenseful, mysterious and a visual and auditory charm to wallow in. And that’s even before the characters and storyline builds.

    Most of Tolkiens work is a historical and mythical mishmash anyway, hardly original with so much copied from the Edda and then changed to be or mean something else, so Tolkien purists can’t be too Poe faced about the effort put in here in my honest opinion.
    The only bit that really annoyed me so far was the implied trans (ha) oceanic swimming thing.

    That and maybe the dropping the Ban of the Valar on certain people rocking up in Valinor.

    The way the Two Trees and their destruction was done was very fine - clever use of a shadow to suggest Morgoth, without getting into the issue of them not having rights to the First Age writings.

    Some interesting ideas in the story - will be interesting to see where they go with it. And how the Lord Of Gifts gets brought in…
  • The key number from Opinium is that the Tories are just four points behind. With a huge energy price rescue plan to come, there is all to play for. However, given the Opinium methodology and how it allocates Don’t Knows, it’s clear that Truss needs to find a way to get Tory to Labour switchers back. The Don’t Knows will not do it for her.
  • RazedabodeRazedabode Posts: 2,654

    The key number from Opinium is that the Tories are just four points behind. With a huge energy price rescue plan to come, there is all to play for. However, given the Opinium methodology and how it allocates Don’t Knows, it’s clear that Truss needs to find a way to get Tory to Labour switchers back. The Don’t Knows will not do it for her.

    Seems an odd +4 swing though, when nothing has really changed to prompt it
  • Her polling is at a monumental high compared to how it will be by November frankly.

    That all depends on the energy package. It’s hard to believe it will not be huge. She just isn’t that stupid.

  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 30,017
    On topic

    The polls and the stories* of what policies Truss will or won’t implement don’t mean much.

    The question is what she will actually do. This will crystallise an actual poll rating, in the first couple of months. Until then, it’s all guesses based on other guesses.

    *Which seem to be the product of an “AI”
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 18,476
    IshmaelZ said:

    ///first.onthis.thread

    that.is.four
  • murali_smurali_s Posts: 2,964
    Evening all - just back from NYC.

    Is Elizabeth Truss PM yet?

    It looks like the sane PBers think Truss is likely to be a disaster - not really surprising.

    Would be interesting to hear what the right wing fruitcakes think? Barty, Leon and the like.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 42,934

    The key number from Opinium is that the Tories are just four points behind. With a huge energy price rescue plan to come, there is all to play for. However, given the Opinium methodology and how it allocates Don’t Knows, it’s clear that Truss needs to find a way to get Tory to Labour switchers back. The Don’t Knows will not do it for her.

    Seems an odd +4 swing though, when nothing has really changed to prompt it
    Boris Johnson back on the telly doing his job.
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 11,238
    The Sweden Democrats have beaten the Moderates in the last 23 polls.

    If this holds true on the evening of 11 September (the result is known within an hour or two of polling closing), and SD+M+KD+L is greater than S+V+C+MP then we will likely see an extremely unstable minority M+KD government with C&S from SD and L. Probably won’t last 12 months.

    Personally I’m still hoping that PM Magdalena Andersson holds on. I voted C-C-L (national-regional-local) with that aim.

    I really wish that my former party the Moderates had held on to our previous leader Anna Kinberg Batra. There is no way she would have got the party into the guddle that Ulf Kristersson has created.
  • The key number from Opinium is that the Tories are just four points behind. With a huge energy price rescue plan to come, there is all to play for. However, given the Opinium methodology and how it allocates Don’t Knows, it’s clear that Truss needs to find a way to get Tory to Labour switchers back. The Don’t Knows will not do it for her.

    Seems an odd +4 swing though, when nothing has really changed to prompt it
    The last Opinium gave a lot of support to Others and came just after the Labour price cap announcement. This one is just reversion to mean. I suspect it involves a lot of Don’t Know reallocation to the Tories.

  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    IshmaelZ said:

    ///first.onthis.thread

    that.is.four
    shit.soitis.fuck
  • murali_smurali_s Posts: 2,964

    The key number from Opinium is that the Tories are just four points behind. With a huge energy price rescue plan to come, there is all to play for. However, given the Opinium methodology and how it allocates Don’t Knows, it’s clear that Truss needs to find a way to get Tory to Labour switchers back. The Don’t Knows will not do it for her.

    Seems an odd +4 swing though, when nothing has really changed to prompt it
    Opinium out of line with other polls. All irrelevant. Tories will be 20+ points behind across the board within a year.

  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 11,238

    No Tory poll leads for nigh on NINE MONTHS!

    The Tories haven’t won an election in Scotland for 7 decades, so excuse me if I’m unimpressed by their 9 month dip in England.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 17,631
    Ominium still struggling with the better/best thing.

    Interesting that the more people see of The Truss, the less they think of her.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 1,819
    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    ///first.onthis.thread

    that.is.four
    shit.soitis.fuck
    made.worse.errors

  • RazedabodeRazedabode Posts: 2,654

    The key number from Opinium is that the Tories are just four points behind. With a huge energy price rescue plan to come, there is all to play for. However, given the Opinium methodology and how it allocates Don’t Knows, it’s clear that Truss needs to find a way to get Tory to Labour switchers back. The Don’t Knows will not do it for her.

    Seems an odd +4 swing though, when nothing has really changed to prompt it
    Boris Johnson back on the telly doing his job.
    Ah yes. Could be..

    Which of course doesn’t bode well for Truss when the electorate finally see her

  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 6,648

    The key number from Opinium is that the Tories are just four points behind. With a huge energy price rescue plan to come, there is all to play for. However, given the Opinium methodology and how it allocates Don’t Knows, it’s clear that Truss needs to find a way to get Tory to Labour switchers back. The Don’t Knows will not do it for her.

    Seems an odd +4 swing though, when nothing has really changed to prompt it
    Nothing prompted the 5 point swing last time really. Its reversion to opiniums long term mean
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 2,697
    On the 48 hour working week (FPT) - I signed a thing in my contract that meant this doesn't apply to me. Is that change really a story?
  • I just refuse to believe that Liz Truss is too stupid to understand that there will have to be an absolutely massive intervention on energy prices. She has no option but to do something huge. There really is no alternative. It’s the rest that concerns me.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 2,148
    The Tories need to be utterly humiliated in the next election if they are to have a long term future.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 55,093
    Times seems to think Mogg will be Business Sec.

    This is just some kind of magical parody government we are about to get.


  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 104,913
    Truss considering not replacing the 48 hour maximum working week in UK law when all remaining EU regulations are scrapped next year and also not renewing the guaranteed 4 weeks holiday a year plus Bank Holidays. This is the first sign of the firmly Thatcherite government Truss will lead in economic terms

    https://twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/1566018961875079169?s=20&t=bcYiechy4LAcRQXuuFY1vw

    Truss' new government will also lift the fracking ban within days

    https://twitter.com/toryboypierce/status/1566075534295146496?s=20&t=bcYiechy4LAcRQXuuFY1vw
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 18,476

    Her polling is at a monumental high compared to how it will be by November frankly.

    That all depends on the energy package. It’s hard to believe it will not be huge. She just isn’t that stupid.

    Although "huge" might not be enough. All the stars are aligning, and not in a good way.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 104,913
    Eabhal said:

    On the 48 hour working week (FPT) - I signed a thing in my contract that meant this doesn't apply to me. Is that change really a story?

    I expect you got highly paid for working those extra hours, Truss would scrap the 48 hours maximum week even for those on average or low incomes it seems
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 2,697
    edited September 3

    I just refuse to believe that Liz Truss is too stupid to understand that there will have to be an absolutely massive intervention on energy prices. She has no option but to do something huge. There really is no alternative. It’s the rest that concerns me.

    They need to sort it out pronto for private business. Otherwise, we're going to see an almighty inversion in the labour market, with high unemployment and high inflation. Shiiiit.

    I just don't see where the cash comes from?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 55,093

    I just refuse to believe that Liz Truss is too stupid to understand that there will have to be an absolutely massive intervention on energy prices. She has no option but to do something huge. There really is no alternative. It’s the rest that concerns me.

    Her administration is utterly finished within a week or so if she does not go large and I mean massively fucking large on energy.

    My brain cannot compute her not doing this with some kind of cover for the lovely, ageing, ranting members who want a bit of a cut to the NI they no longer pay.



  • RazedabodeRazedabode Posts: 2,654

    Times seems to think Mogg will be Business Sec.

    This is just some kind of magical parody government we are about to get.


    Rumours been around for ages now. Imagine business / industry having to be reassured by having him in post
  • murali_smurali_s Posts: 2,964
    HYUFD said:

    Truss considering not replacing the 48 hour maximum working week in UK law when all remaining EU regulations are scrapped next year and also not renewing the guaranteed 4 weeks holiday a year plus Bank Holidays. This is the first sign of the firmly Thatcherite government Truss will lead in economic terms

    https://twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/1566018961875079169?s=20&t=bcYiechy4LAcRQXuuFY1vw

    Truss' new government will also lift the fracking ban within days

    https://twitter.com/toryboypierce/status/1566075534295146496?s=20&t=bcYiechy4LAcRQXuuFY1vw

    What the frack!

    Loony tunes and some more. Even I will be begging for Boris to return before the end!
  • boulayboulay Posts: 1,819

    Times seems to think Mogg will be Business Sec.

    This is just some kind of magical parody government we are about to get.


    Lord of the 3 rings circus.
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 11,238
    murali_s said:

    The key number from Opinium is that the Tories are just four points behind. With a huge energy price rescue plan to come, there is all to play for. However, given the Opinium methodology and how it allocates Don’t Knows, it’s clear that Truss needs to find a way to get Tory to Labour switchers back. The Don’t Knows will not do it for her.

    Seems an odd +4 swing though, when nothing has really changed to prompt it
    Opinium out of line with other polls. All irrelevant. Tories will be 20+ points behind across the board within a year.

    The Scottish Tories were on 9% in one subsample last week, and are routinely in 3rd in the teens. I always thought that their core vote was about 15%, but it looks like Truss is going to severely test that floor. The Scottish Liberal Democrats will go for the jugular. If they have any sense. Which they don’t.

  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 2,148

    Times seems to think Mogg will be Business Sec.

    This is just some kind of magical parody government we are about to get.


    Is it possible that Truss has a cunning plan to let Mogg, IDS and Redwood to totally embarrass themselves by their incompetence in office to justify sacking them and sidelining their supporters, or am I assuming she’s cleverer than she appears?
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 1,811
    HYUFD said:

    Eabhal said:

    On the 48 hour working week (FPT) - I signed a thing in my contract that meant this doesn't apply to me. Is that change really a story?

    I expect you got highly paid for working those extra hours, Truss would scrap the 48 hours maximum week even for those on average or low incomes it seems
    She still secretly supports EU membership and wants to give Rejoin a polling boost. That's the only explanation I can come up with.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 104,913
    The best PM numbers suggest that while Truss might still get a bounce, she is unlikely to take a poll lead
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 2,148
    edited September 3



    The Scottish Tories were on 9% in one subsample last week, and are routinely in 3rd in the teens. I always thought that their core vote was about 15%, but it looks like Truss is going to severely test that floor. The Scottish Liberal Democrats will go for the jugular. If they have any sense. Which they don’t.



    Cole Hamilton would make an excellent Scon leader.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 42,934

    Times seems to think Mogg will be Business Sec.

    This is just some kind of magical parody government we are about to get.

    You could go and chant: "Moggie, Moggie, Moggie! Out, Out, Out!"
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 6,648

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    MISTY said:

    I wonder why Father Calv crowbarred paedophillia into a tweet about transgender issues?



    Only joking, I know exactly why he did!

    Actually there is genuine concern about why some people may be keen to encourage the use of puberty blockers. It is worthy of consideration.
    Genuine concerns about x, words to define the age we live in.

    I know we don't see eye to eye on much UD, but Babylon Berlin is utterly FAB and thanks again for the recommendation.
    👍 Cool. I admit to have becoming totally fanboi about the series to the point of being evangelical, but glad if I've made at least one convert!
    I liked Rings of Power a lot. Am I alone here?

    First of all, the elements we can all agree on? There’s nothing wrong with the excellent soundtrack and score, use of music and sound was good. And the Title Sequence is quite excellent too. I enjoyed the visual spectacle - the hidden Hobbit village coming alive was very good.

    Pacing we could argue over. I thought the first episode had a good pace. There was discussion here last week, horror tales tend be short, if it’s long then it becomes more than horror - similar here in that making Rings of Power have pace, action and suspense it has to move away from pure Tolkienism - indeed hiding from, and the battle with the big Orc, sequence Spielberg would have been proud of.

    And whilst some of the script was a little lame, some performances were very good. Markella Kavenagh steals acting honours as adventurous Hobbit Nori - Ismael Córdova as buttoned up Elf Arondir likeable too.

    Too early to say about Characterisation just two episodes in. Accents. Maybe a bit like Derry Girls doing Midsummer Nights Dream at times?

    If Tolkien purists were to argue it’s not true to Tolkien enough, I would argue it builds upon what Tolkien offered, mankind fighting for Morgoth so held in suspicion for example. For purists I’m reminded about what Stu from Romford said about ism’s earlier today. How do the purists know that the man himself wouldn’t watch this and enjoy it?

    Loved Galadriel’s warrior eye make up when she took down the troll, I’m going to do mine like that. 😍
    You're also the only remaining fan of Yorkshire County Cricket Club. That's a warning light about your judgment :smile:

    What would Tolkien have thought? Well, there are a couple of answers to that. First of all, he really hated people making changes to his ideas. In fact he vetoed several possible film productions of the Lord of the rings because they wanted to alter plot points, commenting, 'I don't mind people leaving things out, but I wish they wouldn't change things.' Therefore, we can probably say that he would be pretty pissed off with what's been done here in terms of his Legendarium.

    However, there is another side to this. The character of Galadriel in particular changed a great deal as he was writing about her. So, for example, in the fellowship of the ring she describes herself as having passed over the mountains of the fall of Nargothrond or Gondolin to join Celeborn who is that point appears to have been a Nandorin elf. However by the time he wrote the appendices he changed his mind and Celeborn and Galadriel ran the kingdom of south Lindon for many years after the end of the second age having met in Doriath.

    Yet another version of her backstory in unfinished tales shows her and Celeborn as the Lord and Lady of Eregion having founded it sometime after the end of the first stage.

    Now, anyone of these could make an excellent story which makes it deeply puzzling that the writers have decided to ditch the whole bloody lot and come up with something totally different but wildly inconsistent with the texts and in fact not very convincing on the first couple of episodes.

    Which is roughly why I'm not very impressed with them.
    The thing is: I really don't care what Tolkien would have thought. I want an entertaining story, well told. Perhaps there were reasons for the changes; perhaps not. It's a series *inspired* by his writing, not a word-for-word reciting of the story.

    In the same way the TV series 'Elementary' had very little connection with Conan Doyle's stories, but was still far more faithful than the BBC's Sherlock.
    Perhaps. But so far, I haven't found this especially entertaining. Certainly less so than any of the ideas they could have picked up and run with from Tolkien's writing.

    I've watched an episode and a half. It's unlikely I'll watch the rest.
    What’s all this I’m missing? I only popped on for the Opinium.

    “ You're also the only remaining fan of Yorkshire County Cricket Club. That's a warning light about your judgment “

    Who woke you up grumpy old Gandalf. 🤣.

    Well I’m enjoying how they have made it suspenseful, mysterious and a visual and auditory charm to wallow in. And that’s even before the characters and storyline builds.

    Most of Tolkiens work is a historical and mythical mishmash anyway, hardly original with so much copied from the Edda and then changed to be or mean something else, so Tolkien purists can’t be too Poe faced about the effort put in here in my honest opinion.
    The only bit that really annoyed me so far was the implied trans (ha) oceanic swimming thing.

    That and maybe the dropping the Ban of the Valar on certain people rocking up in Valinor.

    The way the Two Trees and their destruction was done was very fine - clever use of a shadow to suggest Morgoth, without getting into the issue of them not having rights to the First Age writings.

    Some interesting ideas in the story - will be interesting to see where they go with it. And how the Lord Of Gifts gets brought in…
    Please tell me Galadriel doesnt go to Valinor? (I havent watched it yet). The whole point of her lament in Lorien is that she believed the ban on her return was perennial. It was the entire point of Celebrimbor creating the rings, so his unrequited love and the High King could preserve all things unchanged as they were denied the undying lands by the ban on the leaders and the Feanoreans. Men going would be even worse.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 104,913
    murali_s said:

    HYUFD said:

    Truss considering not replacing the 48 hour maximum working week in UK law when all remaining EU regulations are scrapped next year and also not renewing the guaranteed 4 weeks holiday a year plus Bank Holidays. This is the first sign of the firmly Thatcherite government Truss will lead in economic terms

    https://twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/1566018961875079169?s=20&t=bcYiechy4LAcRQXuuFY1vw

    Truss' new government will also lift the fracking ban within days

    https://twitter.com/toryboypierce/status/1566075534295146496?s=20&t=bcYiechy4LAcRQXuuFY1vw

    What the frack!

    Loony tunes and some more. Even I will be begging for Boris to return before the end!
    As I said at the time those wishing Boris gone may regret it soon enough, looks like Truss will be much more rightwing economically at least
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 24,296

    Replying to @Leon from the last thread
    Dystopian indeed. It doesnt take much reading between the lines from a September announcement of a Jan to Mar subsidy of bus fares so people can afford to get to work to work out just how much shit we are in. Expect many more such things being announced, get your freezer stocked and buy a new kettle.
    I invested in 2 very nice hoodies in Scotland. Toasty.

    Yes. I'm surprised the bus policy attracted so little comment.
    It's a major intervention. Of the type which the new PM must have signed off on. It is what they dragged Burnham through court to prevent.
    It's a huge deal.
    And not a harbinger of good at all.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 104,913

    The Sweden Democrats have beaten the Moderates in the last 23 polls.

    If this holds true on the evening of 11 September (the result is known within an hour or two of polling closing), and SD+M+KD+L is greater than S+V+C+MP then we will likely see an extremely unstable minority M+KD government with C&S from SD and L. Probably won’t last 12 months.

    Personally I’m still hoping that PM Magdalena Andersson holds on. I voted C-C-L (national-regional-local) with that aim.

    I really wish that my former party the Moderates had held on to our previous leader Anna Kinberg Batra. There is no way she would have got the party into the guddle that Ulf Kristersson has created.

    Yes but Kristersson might still be PM as even you suggest due to his willingness to deal with the SDs
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 17,631
    HYUFD said:

    Eabhal said:

    On the 48 hour working week (FPT) - I signed a thing in my contract that meant this doesn't apply to me. Is that change really a story?

    I expect you got highly paid for working those extra hours, Truss would scrap the 48 hours maximum week even for those on average or low incomes it seems
    You tell them, comrade. General Strike incoming.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 2,697
    edited September 3
    HYUFD said:

    Eabhal said:

    On the 48 hour working week (FPT) - I signed a thing in my contract that meant this doesn't apply to me. Is that change really a story?

    I expect you got highly paid for working those extra hours, Truss would scrap the 48 hours maximum week even for those on average or low incomes it seems
    I once worked so much I got compensation for being paid below the minimum wage for 3 months.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 2,148
    HYUFD said:

    Truss considering not replacing the 48 hour maximum working week in UK law when all remaining EU regulations are scrapped next year and also not renewing the guaranteed 4 weeks holiday a year plus Bank Holidays. This is the first sign of the firmly Thatcherite government Truss will lead in economic terms

    https://twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/1566018961875079169?s=20&t=bcYiechy4LAcRQXuuFY1vw

    Truss' new government will also lift the fracking ban within days

    https://twitter.com/toryboypierce/status/1566075534295146496?s=20&t=bcYiechy4LAcRQXuuFY1vw

    I assume Boris Johnson would not be affected by the change to the 48 hour working week.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 27,913
    edited September 3



    The Scottish Tories were on 9% in one subsample last week, and are routinely in 3rd in the teens. I always thought that their core vote was about 15%, but it looks like Truss is going to severely test that floor. The Scottish Liberal Democrats will go for the jugular. If they have any sense. Which they don’t.



    Cole Hamilton would make an excellent Scon leader.

    Is there any difference? It's hard to tell, now the SLD leader doesn't any more have copulating farmyard animals in the background of TV interviews de rigeur, and Mr Ross has been (intermittently) on about how awful Mr J is.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 18,476
    HYUFD said:

    The best PM numbers suggest that while Truss might still get a bounce, she is unlikely to take a poll lead

    OPINIUM! It's gonna happen!
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 104,913

    HYUFD said:

    Eabhal said:

    On the 48 hour working week (FPT) - I signed a thing in my contract that meant this doesn't apply to me. Is that change really a story?

    I expect you got highly paid for working those extra hours, Truss would scrap the 48 hours maximum week even for those on average or low incomes it seems
    You tell them, comrade. General Strike incoming.
    Well at least under the slash tax, slash regulation, increase working hours, take on the unions government Truss looks likely to lead we will see how popular Singapore on Thames UK actually is post Brexit
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 2,697

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    MISTY said:

    I wonder why Father Calv crowbarred paedophillia into a tweet about transgender issues?



    Only joking, I know exactly why he did!

    Actually there is genuine concern about why some people may be keen to encourage the use of puberty blockers. It is worthy of consideration.
    Genuine concerns about x, words to define the age we live in.

    I know we don't see eye to eye on much UD, but Babylon Berlin is utterly FAB and thanks again for the recommendation.
    👍 Cool. I admit to have becoming totally fanboi about the series to the point of being evangelical, but glad if I've made at least one convert!
    I liked Rings of Power a lot. Am I alone here?

    First of all, the elements we can all agree on? There’s nothing wrong with the excellent soundtrack and score, use of music and sound was good. And the Title Sequence is quite excellent too. I enjoyed the visual spectacle - the hidden Hobbit village coming alive was very good.

    Pacing we could argue over. I thought the first episode had a good pace. There was discussion here last week, horror tales tend be short, if it’s long then it becomes more than horror - similar here in that making Rings of Power have pace, action and suspense it has to move away from pure Tolkienism - indeed hiding from, and the battle with the big Orc, sequence Spielberg would have been proud of.

    And whilst some of the script was a little lame, some performances were very good. Markella Kavenagh steals acting honours as adventurous Hobbit Nori - Ismael Córdova as buttoned up Elf Arondir likeable too.

    Too early to say about Characterisation just two episodes in. Accents. Maybe a bit like Derry Girls doing Midsummer Nights Dream at times?

    If Tolkien purists were to argue it’s not true to Tolkien enough, I would argue it builds upon what Tolkien offered, mankind fighting for Morgoth so held in suspicion for example. For purists I’m reminded about what Stu from Romford said about ism’s earlier today. How do the purists know that the man himself wouldn’t watch this and enjoy it?

    Loved Galadriel’s warrior eye make up when she took down the troll, I’m going to do mine like that. 😍
    You're also the only remaining fan of Yorkshire County Cricket Club. That's a warning light about your judgment :smile:

    What would Tolkien have thought? Well, there are a couple of answers to that. First of all, he really hated people making changes to his ideas. In fact he vetoed several possible film productions of the Lord of the rings because they wanted to alter plot points, commenting, 'I don't mind people leaving things out, but I wish they wouldn't change things.' Therefore, we can probably say that he would be pretty pissed off with what's been done here in terms of his Legendarium.

    However, there is another side to this. The character of Galadriel in particular changed a great deal as he was writing about her. So, for example, in the fellowship of the ring she describes herself as having passed over the mountains of the fall of Nargothrond or Gondolin to join Celeborn who is that point appears to have been a Nandorin elf. However by the time he wrote the appendices he changed his mind and Celeborn and Galadriel ran the kingdom of south Lindon for many years after the end of the second age having met in Doriath.

    Yet another version of her backstory in unfinished tales shows her and Celeborn as the Lord and Lady of Eregion having founded it sometime after the end of the first stage.

    Now, anyone of these could make an excellent story which makes it deeply puzzling that the writers have decided to ditch the whole bloody lot and come up with something totally different but wildly inconsistent with the texts and in fact not very convincing on the first couple of episodes.

    Which is roughly why I'm not very impressed with them.
    The thing is: I really don't care what Tolkien would have thought. I want an entertaining story, well told. Perhaps there were reasons for the changes; perhaps not. It's a series *inspired* by his writing, not a word-for-word reciting of the story.

    In the same way the TV series 'Elementary' had very little connection with Conan Doyle's stories, but was still far more faithful than the BBC's Sherlock.
    Perhaps. But so far, I haven't found this especially entertaining. Certainly less so than any of the ideas they could have picked up and run with from Tolkien's writing.

    I've watched an episode and a half. It's unlikely I'll watch the rest.
    What’s all this I’m missing? I only popped on for the Opinium.

    “ You're also the only remaining fan of Yorkshire County Cricket Club. That's a warning light about your judgment “

    Who woke you up grumpy old Gandalf. 🤣.

    Well I’m enjoying how they have made it suspenseful, mysterious and a visual and auditory charm to wallow in. And that’s even before the characters and storyline builds.

    Most of Tolkiens work is a historical and mythical mishmash anyway, hardly original with so much copied from the Edda and then changed to be or mean something else, so Tolkien purists can’t be too Poe faced about the effort put in here in my honest opinion.
    The only bit that really annoyed me so far was the implied trans (ha) oceanic swimming thing.

    That and maybe the dropping the Ban of the Valar on certain people rocking up in Valinor.

    The way the Two Trees and their destruction was done was very fine - clever use of a shadow to suggest Morgoth, without getting into the issue of them not having rights to the First Age writings.

    Some interesting ideas in the story - will be interesting to see where they go with it. And how the Lord Of Gifts gets brought in…
    Please tell me Galadriel doesnt go to Valinor? (I havent watched it yet). The whole point of her lament in Lorien is that she believed the ban on her return was perennial. It was the entire point of Celebrimbor creating the rings, so his unrequited love and the High King could preserve all things unchanged as they were denied the undying lands by the ban on the leaders and the Feanoreans. Men going would be even worse.
    And I thought the cost of living crisis would dominate politics for the next few months.

    I'm starting the series on Tuesday!
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 6,648
    edited September 3

    Her polling is at a monumental high compared to how it will be by November frankly.

    That all depends on the energy package. It’s hard to believe it will not be huge. She just isn’t that stupid.

    Although "huge" might not be enough. All the stars are aligning, and not in a good way.
    Helping us voters directly will not be enough, nor will freezing the cap. It will be done as it has to be but businesses are going to fold in their thousands. Everywhere. Not just the UK. The Western economy is going to implode. Its completely unsustainable
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 27,913
    edited September 3

    I just refuse to believe that Liz Truss is too stupid to understand that there will have to be an absolutely massive intervention on energy prices. She has no option but to do something huge. There really is no alternative. It’s the rest that concerns me.

    Her administration is utterly finished within a week or so if she does not go large and I mean massively fucking large on energy.

    My brain cannot compute her not doing this with some kind of cover for the lovely, ageing, ranting members who want a bit of a cut to the NI they no longer pay.



    I might believe she is serious if she

    (a) eliminates inheritance tax allowances beyond the basic one especially those for Approved Families ((c) C of E)
    (b) ditto the savings interest, rentals, and dividends allowances for income tax

    Won't be nearly enough - but it will show she's no longer pandering to the grey legions of the Tory Party and is at least aware that voters exist beyond that.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 2,697
    dixiedean said:

    Replying to @Leon from the last thread
    Dystopian indeed. It doesnt take much reading between the lines from a September announcement of a Jan to Mar subsidy of bus fares so people can afford to get to work to work out just how much shit we are in. Expect many more such things being announced, get your freezer stocked and buy a new kettle.
    I invested in 2 very nice hoodies in Scotland. Toasty.

    Yes. I'm surprised the bus policy attracted so little comment.
    It's a major intervention. Of the type which the new PM must have signed off on. It is what they dragged Burnham through court to prevent.
    It's a huge deal.
    And not a harbinger of good at all.
    Pennies compared to the fuel duty cut.

    The Truss government will be fixed firmly in favour of geriatric drivers.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 17,631
    With the Moggster at BEIS, I can see the carbon capture and hydrogen programmes being canned.

    It has already happened twice for carbon capture, or three times if you include the EU NER300 programme that would have funded a UK project but our government wouldn't play ball.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 30,017

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    MISTY said:

    I wonder why Father Calv crowbarred paedophillia into a tweet about transgender issues?



    Only joking, I know exactly why he did!

    Actually there is genuine concern about why some people may be keen to encourage the use of puberty blockers. It is worthy of consideration.
    Genuine concerns about x, words to define the age we live in.

    I know we don't see eye to eye on much UD, but Babylon Berlin is utterly FAB and thanks again for the recommendation.
    👍 Cool. I admit to have becoming totally fanboi about the series to the point of being evangelical, but glad if I've made at least one convert!
    I liked Rings of Power a lot. Am I alone here?

    First of all, the elements we can all agree on? There’s nothing wrong with the excellent soundtrack and score, use of music and sound was good. And the Title Sequence is quite excellent too. I enjoyed the visual spectacle - the hidden Hobbit village coming alive was very good.

    Pacing we could argue over. I thought the first episode had a good pace. There was discussion here last week, horror tales tend be short, if it’s long then it becomes more than horror - similar here in that making Rings of Power have pace, action and suspense it has to move away from pure Tolkienism - indeed hiding from, and the battle with the big Orc, sequence Spielberg would have been proud of.

    And whilst some of the script was a little lame, some performances were very good. Markella Kavenagh steals acting honours as adventurous Hobbit Nori - Ismael Córdova as buttoned up Elf Arondir likeable too.

    Too early to say about Characterisation just two episodes in. Accents. Maybe a bit like Derry Girls doing Midsummer Nights Dream at times?

    If Tolkien purists were to argue it’s not true to Tolkien enough, I would argue it builds upon what Tolkien offered, mankind fighting for Morgoth so held in suspicion for example. For purists I’m reminded about what Stu from Romford said about ism’s earlier today. How do the purists know that the man himself wouldn’t watch this and enjoy it?

    Loved Galadriel’s warrior eye make up when she took down the troll, I’m going to do mine like that. 😍
    You're also the only remaining fan of Yorkshire County Cricket Club. That's a warning light about your judgment :smile:

    What would Tolkien have thought? Well, there are a couple of answers to that. First of all, he really hated people making changes to his ideas. In fact he vetoed several possible film productions of the Lord of the rings because they wanted to alter plot points, commenting, 'I don't mind people leaving things out, but I wish they wouldn't change things.' Therefore, we can probably say that he would be pretty pissed off with what's been done here in terms of his Legendarium.

    However, there is another side to this. The character of Galadriel in particular changed a great deal as he was writing about her. So, for example, in the fellowship of the ring she describes herself as having passed over the mountains of the fall of Nargothrond or Gondolin to join Celeborn who is that point appears to have been a Nandorin elf. However by the time he wrote the appendices he changed his mind and Celeborn and Galadriel ran the kingdom of south Lindon for many years after the end of the second age having met in Doriath.

    Yet another version of her backstory in unfinished tales shows her and Celeborn as the Lord and Lady of Eregion having founded it sometime after the end of the first stage.

    Now, anyone of these could make an excellent story which makes it deeply puzzling that the writers have decided to ditch the whole bloody lot and come up with something totally different but wildly inconsistent with the texts and in fact not very convincing on the first couple of episodes.

    Which is roughly why I'm not very impressed with them.
    The thing is: I really don't care what Tolkien would have thought. I want an entertaining story, well told. Perhaps there were reasons for the changes; perhaps not. It's a series *inspired* by his writing, not a word-for-word reciting of the story.

    In the same way the TV series 'Elementary' had very little connection with Conan Doyle's stories, but was still far more faithful than the BBC's Sherlock.
    Perhaps. But so far, I haven't found this especially entertaining. Certainly less so than any of the ideas they could have picked up and run with from Tolkien's writing.

    I've watched an episode and a half. It's unlikely I'll watch the rest.
    What’s all this I’m missing? I only popped on for the Opinium.

    “ You're also the only remaining fan of Yorkshire County Cricket Club. That's a warning light about your judgment “

    Who woke you up grumpy old Gandalf. 🤣.

    Well I’m enjoying how they have made it suspenseful, mysterious and a visual and auditory charm to wallow in. And that’s even before the characters and storyline builds.

    Most of Tolkiens work is a historical and mythical mishmash anyway, hardly original with so much copied from the Edda and then changed to be or mean something else, so Tolkien purists can’t be too Poe faced about the effort put in here in my honest opinion.
    The only bit that really annoyed me so far was the implied trans (ha) oceanic swimming thing.

    That and maybe the dropping the Ban of the Valar on certain people rocking up in Valinor.

    The way the Two Trees and their destruction was done was very fine - clever use of a shadow to suggest Morgoth, without getting into the issue of them not having rights to the First Age writings.

    Some interesting ideas in the story - will be interesting to see where they go with it. And how the Lord Of Gifts gets brought in…
    Please tell me Galadriel doesnt go to Valinor? (I havent watched it yet). The whole point of her lament in Lorien is that she believed the ban on her return was perennial. It was the entire point of Celebrimbor creating the rings, so his unrequited love and the High King could preserve all things unchanged as they were denied the undying lands by the ban on the leaders and the Feanoreans. Men going would be even worse.
    No, she doesn’t.

    But they muck up the idea that returning, is for the elves, a very personal thing.

    They are getting Celebrimbor right, so far, I think. Even came up with an interesting reason for the start of the alliance between him and the dwarves which makes sense and connects to things Tolkien specifically wrote about the Rings.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 27,913
    Eabhal said:

    dixiedean said:

    Replying to @Leon from the last thread
    Dystopian indeed. It doesnt take much reading between the lines from a September announcement of a Jan to Mar subsidy of bus fares so people can afford to get to work to work out just how much shit we are in. Expect many more such things being announced, get your freezer stocked and buy a new kettle.
    I invested in 2 very nice hoodies in Scotland. Toasty.

    Yes. I'm surprised the bus policy attracted so little comment.
    It's a major intervention. Of the type which the new PM must have signed off on. It is what they dragged Burnham through court to prevent.
    It's a huge deal.
    And not a harbinger of good at all.
    Pennies compared to the fuel duty cut.

    The Truss government will be fixed firmly in favour of geriatric drivers.
    The ones with backless gloves.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 2,148
    Carnyx said:



    The Scottish Tories were on 9% in one subsample last week, and are routinely in 3rd in the teens. I always thought that their core vote was about 15%, but it looks like Truss is going to severely test that floor. The Scottish Liberal Democrats will go for the jugular. If they have any sense. Which they don’t.

    Cole Hamilton would make an excellent Scon leader.

    Is there any difference? It's hard to tell, now the SLD leader doesn't any more have copulating farmyard animals in the background of TV interviews de rigeur, and Mr Ross has been (intermittently) on about how awful Mr J is.

    I think I would rather go for a pint with Ross than Cole Hamilton. That’s how badly I rate Cole Hamilton!
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 6,648

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    MISTY said:

    I wonder why Father Calv crowbarred paedophillia into a tweet about transgender issues?



    Only joking, I know exactly why he did!

    Actually there is genuine concern about why some people may be keen to encourage the use of puberty blockers. It is worthy of consideration.
    Genuine concerns about x, words to define the age we live in.

    I know we don't see eye to eye on much UD, but Babylon Berlin is utterly FAB and thanks again for the recommendation.
    👍 Cool. I admit to have becoming totally fanboi about the series to the point of being evangelical, but glad if I've made at least one convert!
    I liked Rings of Power a lot. Am I alone here?

    First of all, the elements we can all agree on? There’s nothing wrong with the excellent soundtrack and score, use of music and sound was good. And the Title Sequence is quite excellent too. I enjoyed the visual spectacle - the hidden Hobbit village coming alive was very good.

    Pacing we could argue over. I thought the first episode had a good pace. There was discussion here last week, horror tales tend be short, if it’s long then it becomes more than horror - similar here in that making Rings of Power have pace, action and suspense it has to move away from pure Tolkienism - indeed hiding from, and the battle with the big Orc, sequence Spielberg would have been proud of.

    And whilst some of the script was a little lame, some performances were very good. Markella Kavenagh steals acting honours as adventurous Hobbit Nori - Ismael Córdova as buttoned up Elf Arondir likeable too.

    Too early to say about Characterisation just two episodes in. Accents. Maybe a bit like Derry Girls doing Midsummer Nights Dream at times?

    If Tolkien purists were to argue it’s not true to Tolkien enough, I would argue it builds upon what Tolkien offered, mankind fighting for Morgoth so held in suspicion for example. For purists I’m reminded about what Stu from Romford said about ism’s earlier today. How do the purists know that the man himself wouldn’t watch this and enjoy it?

    Loved Galadriel’s warrior eye make up when she took down the troll, I’m going to do mine like that. 😍
    You're also the only remaining fan of Yorkshire County Cricket Club. That's a warning light about your judgment :smile:

    What would Tolkien have thought? Well, there are a couple of answers to that. First of all, he really hated people making changes to his ideas. In fact he vetoed several possible film productions of the Lord of the rings because they wanted to alter plot points, commenting, 'I don't mind people leaving things out, but I wish they wouldn't change things.' Therefore, we can probably say that he would be pretty pissed off with what's been done here in terms of his Legendarium.

    However, there is another side to this. The character of Galadriel in particular changed a great deal as he was writing about her. So, for example, in the fellowship of the ring she describes herself as having passed over the mountains of the fall of Nargothrond or Gondolin to join Celeborn who is that point appears to have been a Nandorin elf. However by the time he wrote the appendices he changed his mind and Celeborn and Galadriel ran the kingdom of south Lindon for many years after the end of the second age having met in Doriath.

    Yet another version of her backstory in unfinished tales shows her and Celeborn as the Lord and Lady of Eregion having founded it sometime after the end of the first stage.

    Now, anyone of these could make an excellent story which makes it deeply puzzling that the writers have decided to ditch the whole bloody lot and come up with something totally different but wildly inconsistent with the texts and in fact not very convincing on the first couple of episodes.

    Which is roughly why I'm not very impressed with them.
    The thing is: I really don't care what Tolkien would have thought. I want an entertaining story, well told. Perhaps there were reasons for the changes; perhaps not. It's a series *inspired* by his writing, not a word-for-word reciting of the story.

    In the same way the TV series 'Elementary' had very little connection with Conan Doyle's stories, but was still far more faithful than the BBC's Sherlock.
    Perhaps. But so far, I haven't found this especially entertaining. Certainly less so than any of the ideas they could have picked up and run with from Tolkien's writing.

    I've watched an episode and a half. It's unlikely I'll watch the rest.
    What’s all this I’m missing? I only popped on for the Opinium.

    “ You're also the only remaining fan of Yorkshire County Cricket Club. That's a warning light about your judgment “

    Who woke you up grumpy old Gandalf. 🤣.

    Well I’m enjoying how they have made it suspenseful, mysterious and a visual and auditory charm to wallow in. And that’s even before the characters and storyline builds.

    Most of Tolkiens work is a historical and mythical mishmash anyway, hardly original with so much copied from the Edda and then changed to be or mean something else, so Tolkien purists can’t be too Poe faced about the effort put in here in my honest opinion.
    The only bit that really annoyed me so far was the implied trans (ha) oceanic swimming thing.

    That and maybe the dropping the Ban of the Valar on certain people rocking up in Valinor.

    The way the Two Trees and their destruction was done was very fine - clever use of a shadow to suggest Morgoth, without getting into the issue of them not having rights to the First Age writings.

    Some interesting ideas in the story - will be interesting to see where they go with it. And how the Lord Of Gifts gets brought in…
    Please tell me Galadriel doesnt go to Valinor? (I havent watched it yet). The whole point of her lament in Lorien is that she believed the ban on her return was perennial. It was the entire point of Celebrimbor creating the rings, so his unrequited love and the High King could preserve all things unchanged as they were denied the undying lands by the ban on the leaders and the Feanoreans. Men going would be even worse.
    No, she doesn’t.

    But they muck up the idea that returning, is for the elves, a very personal thing.

    They are getting Celebrimbor right, so far, I think. Even came up with an interesting reason for the start of the alliance between him and the dwarves which makes sense and connects to things Tolkien specifically wrote about the Rings.
    I am so nervous to watch it. Im at the 'please dont make something wonderful into complete shit' stage
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 27,913

    With the Moggster at BEIS, I can see the carbon capture and hydrogen programmes being canned.

    It has already happened twice for carbon capture, or three times if you include the EU NER300 programme that would have funded a UK project but our government wouldn't play ball.

    They didn't have such new-fangled theories as phlogiston when he was trained, never mind Black's discovery of fixed air (which was probably too dodgy being by a Scot anyway).
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 2,148
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Eabhal said:

    On the 48 hour working week (FPT) - I signed a thing in my contract that meant this doesn't apply to me. Is that change really a story?

    I expect you got highly paid for working those extra hours, Truss would scrap the 48 hours maximum week even for those on average or low incomes it seems
    You tell them, comrade. General Strike incoming.
    Well at least under the slash tax, slash regulation, increase working hours, take on the unions government Truss looks likely to lead we will see how popular Singapore on Thames UK actually is post Brexit
    I get the feeling that you don’t totally approve.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 27,913
    dixiedean said:

    Replying to @Leon from the last thread
    Dystopian indeed. It doesnt take much reading between the lines from a September announcement of a Jan to Mar subsidy of bus fares so people can afford to get to work to work out just how much shit we are in. Expect many more such things being announced, get your freezer stocked and buy a new kettle.
    I invested in 2 very nice hoodies in Scotland. Toasty.

    Yes. I'm surprised the bus policy attracted so little comment.
    It's a major intervention. Of the type which the new PM must have signed off on. It is what they dragged Burnham through court to prevent.
    It's a huge deal.
    And not a harbinger of good at all.
    dixiedean said:

    Replying to @Leon from the last thread
    Dystopian indeed. It doesnt take much reading between the lines from a September announcement of a Jan to Mar subsidy of bus fares so people can afford to get to work to work out just how much shit we are in. Expect many more such things being announced, get your freezer stocked and buy a new kettle.
    I invested in 2 very nice hoodies in Scotland. Toasty.

    Yes. I'm surprised the bus policy attracted so little comment.
    It's a major intervention. Of the type which the new PM must have signed off on. It is what they dragged Burnham through court to prevent.
    It's a huge deal.
    And not a harbinger of good at all.
    Funny thing about it is basically it's what's been happening in Lothian for decades - a capped maximum daily fare, you hop on and buy a daily ticket. Much to relentless Tory/Unionist criticism (cooncil buses BAAAAD.). Now it's flavour of the month?
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 6,648
    dixiedean said:

    Replying to @Leon from the last thread
    Dystopian indeed. It doesnt take much reading between the lines from a September announcement of a Jan to Mar subsidy of bus fares so people can afford to get to work to work out just how much shit we are in. Expect many more such things being announced, get your freezer stocked and buy a new kettle.
    I invested in 2 very nice hoodies in Scotland. Toasty.

    Yes. I'm surprised the bus policy attracted so little comment.
    It's a major intervention. Of the type which the new PM must have signed off on. It is what they dragged Burnham through court to prevent.
    It's a huge deal.
    And not a harbinger of good at all.
    Its the most worrying development i've seen so far. It literally reeks of horizon doom
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 2,697
    Carnyx said:

    Eabhal said:

    dixiedean said:

    Replying to @Leon from the last thread
    Dystopian indeed. It doesnt take much reading between the lines from a September announcement of a Jan to Mar subsidy of bus fares so people can afford to get to work to work out just how much shit we are in. Expect many more such things being announced, get your freezer stocked and buy a new kettle.
    I invested in 2 very nice hoodies in Scotland. Toasty.

    Yes. I'm surprised the bus policy attracted so little comment.
    It's a major intervention. Of the type which the new PM must have signed off on. It is what they dragged Burnham through court to prevent.
    It's a huge deal.
    And not a harbinger of good at all.
    Pennies compared to the fuel duty cut.

    The Truss government will be fixed firmly in favour of geriatric drivers.
    The ones with backless gloves.
    *shudders*
  • RazedabodeRazedabode Posts: 2,654
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Eabhal said:

    On the 48 hour working week (FPT) - I signed a thing in my contract that meant this doesn't apply to me. Is that change really a story?

    I expect you got highly paid for working those extra hours, Truss would scrap the 48 hours maximum week even for those on average or low incomes it seems
    You tell them, comrade. General Strike incoming.
    Well at least under the slash tax, slash regulation, increase working hours, take on the unions government Truss looks likely to lead we will see how popular Singapore on Thames UK actually is post Brexit
    How does Truss even have the mandate or political backing to “take on the unions”

    This really isn’t Thatcher mark 2

  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 2,148
    Carnyx said:

    Eabhal said:

    dixiedean said:

    Replying to @Leon from the last thread
    Dystopian indeed. It doesnt take much reading between the lines from a September announcement of a Jan to Mar subsidy of bus fares so people can afford to get to work to work out just how much shit we are in. Expect many more such things being announced, get your freezer stocked and buy a new kettle.
    I invested in 2 very nice hoodies in Scotland. Toasty.

    Yes. I'm surprised the bus policy attracted so little comment.
    It's a major intervention. Of the type which the new PM must have signed off on. It is what they dragged Burnham through court to prevent.
    It's a huge deal.
    And not a harbinger of good at all.
    Pennies compared to the fuel duty cut.

    The Truss government will be fixed firmly in favour of geriatric drivers.
    The ones with backless gloves.
    She could increase the minimum age for a driving license to 65 to get all the 50 year old boy racers in their company BMWs and Audis off the roads, It’s very upsetting for us 70 year olds when all we want to do is tootle along at 30 admiring the scenery.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 30,017
    Carnyx said:

    With the Moggster at BEIS, I can see the carbon capture and hydrogen programmes being canned.

    It has already happened twice for carbon capture, or three times if you include the EU NER300 programme that would have funded a UK project but our government wouldn't play ball.

    They didn't have such new-fangled theories as phlogiston when he was trained, never mind Black's discovery of fixed air (which was probably too dodgy being by a Scot anyway).
    The vibe I get is that everybody and his dog is pushing policies for Truss to pick up.

    Anyone remember the one about Gove, at the start of the coalition discovering that his department was announcing policies without bothering to ask the minister?
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 55,032
    edited September 3
    Good evening

    It seems PB has decided Truss is over before she even takes office and the policies announced

    I have no idea why she thinks JRM and Dorries should be in her cabinet other than some plot to prevent 2 by elections as Johnson sends them to the Lords

    However, I am more restrained as I haven't a clue what she will announce next week, but I would be surprised if she and those around her do not provide an extensive support package for consumers and as importantly businesses, especially small businesses

    A package well targeted and very pro business may well change the narrative and have some red faces on here

    I admit I have to be persuaded by her, but at least let her get in office and start the post Johnson age

    Her poll ratings are poor but even Starmer is only on 29% tonight

    Truth is disenchantment , worry and fear stalks the political class as they attempt to do the impossible and make the cost of living crisis disappear as if it is not real when it is a direct consequence of the war with Russia which only ends when that does
  • eekeek Posts: 21,769
    HYUFD said:

    Truss considering not replacing the 48 hour maximum working week in UK law when all remaining EU regulations are scrapped next year and also not renewing the guaranteed 4 weeks holiday a year plus Bank Holidays. This is the first sign of the firmly Thatcherite government Truss will lead in economic terms

    https://twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/1566018961875079169?s=20&t=bcYiechy4LAcRQXuuFY1vw

    Truss' new government will also lift the fracking ban within days

    https://twitter.com/toryboypierce/status/1566075534295146496?s=20&t=bcYiechy4LAcRQXuuFY1vw

    That first change will require changing multiple parts of employment law - which really does need to be sorted as current employment law is a grade a mess.

    We’ve covered fracking before though - the Uk geology isn’t suitable
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 27,913

    Carnyx said:

    Eabhal said:

    dixiedean said:

    Replying to @Leon from the last thread
    Dystopian indeed. It doesnt take much reading between the lines from a September announcement of a Jan to Mar subsidy of bus fares so people can afford to get to work to work out just how much shit we are in. Expect many more such things being announced, get your freezer stocked and buy a new kettle.
    I invested in 2 very nice hoodies in Scotland. Toasty.

    Yes. I'm surprised the bus policy attracted so little comment.
    It's a major intervention. Of the type which the new PM must have signed off on. It is what they dragged Burnham through court to prevent.
    It's a huge deal.
    And not a harbinger of good at all.
    Pennies compared to the fuel duty cut.

    The Truss government will be fixed firmly in favour of geriatric drivers.
    The ones with backless gloves.
    She could increase the minimum age for a driving license to 65 to get all the 50 year old boy racers in their company BMWs and Audis off the roads, It’s very upsetting for us 70 year olds when all we want to do is tootle along at 30 admiring the scenery.
    Parked in the middle of the road at the Rest and be Thankful, that sort of thing.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 6,648

    Good evening

    It seems PB has decided Truss is over before she even takes office and the policies announced

    I have no idea why she thinks JRM and Dorries should be in her cabinet other than some plot to prevent 2 by elections as Johnson sends them to the Lords

    However, I am more restrained as I haven't a clue what she will announce next week, but I would be surprised if she and those around her do not provide an extensive support package for consumers and as importantly businesses, especially small businesses

    A package well targeted and very pro business may well change the narrative and have some red faces on here

    I admit I have to be persuaded by her, but at least let her get in office and start the post Johnson age

    Her poll ratings are poor but even Starmer is only on 29% tonight

    Truth is disenchantment , worry and fear stalks the political class as they attempt to do the impossible and make the cost of living crisis disappear as if it is not real when it is a direct consequence of the war with Russia which only ends when that does

    The polling indeed suggests none of the above is wanted in number 10.
    If Labour are high 30s, low 40s, 29% thinking Starmer will be best PM suggests their vote is shallow.
    Having said that, its better than the blues right now!
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 2,697
    eek said:

    HYUFD said:

    Truss considering not replacing the 48 hour maximum working week in UK law when all remaining EU regulations are scrapped next year and also not renewing the guaranteed 4 weeks holiday a year plus Bank Holidays. This is the first sign of the firmly Thatcherite government Truss will lead in economic terms

    https://twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/1566018961875079169?s=20&t=bcYiechy4LAcRQXuuFY1vw

    Truss' new government will also lift the fracking ban within days

    https://twitter.com/toryboypierce/status/1566075534295146496?s=20&t=bcYiechy4LAcRQXuuFY1vw

    That first change will require changing multiple parts of employment law - which really does need to be sorted as current employment law is a grade a mess.

    We’ve covered fracking before though - the Uk geology isn’t suitable
    The 48 hour thing will be used to shaft people who don't understand minimum wage rules.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 55,093
    eek said:

    HYUFD said:

    Truss considering not replacing the 48 hour maximum working week in UK law when all remaining EU regulations are scrapped next year and also not renewing the guaranteed 4 weeks holiday a year plus Bank Holidays. This is the first sign of the firmly Thatcherite government Truss will lead in economic terms

    https://twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/1566018961875079169?s=20&t=bcYiechy4LAcRQXuuFY1vw

    Truss' new government will also lift the fracking ban within days

    https://twitter.com/toryboypierce/status/1566075534295146496?s=20&t=bcYiechy4LAcRQXuuFY1vw

    That first change will require changing multiple parts of employment law - which really does need to be sorted as current employment law is a grade a mess.

    We’ve covered fracking before though - the Uk geology isn’t suitable
    Fracking is an easy win for Truss.

    She lifts any bans but then no one wants to actually do any fracking in UK - a detail that will escape her members.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 2,148
    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    Eabhal said:

    dixiedean said:

    Replying to @Leon from the last thread
    Dystopian indeed. It doesnt take much reading between the lines from a September announcement of a Jan to Mar subsidy of bus fares so people can afford to get to work to work out just how much shit we are in. Expect many more such things being announced, get your freezer stocked and buy a new kettle.
    I invested in 2 very nice hoodies in Scotland. Toasty.

    Yes. I'm surprised the bus policy attracted so little comment.
    It's a major intervention. Of the type which the new PM must have signed off on. It is what they dragged Burnham through court to prevent.
    It's a huge deal.
    And not a harbinger of good at all.
    Pennies compared to the fuel duty cut.

    The Truss government will be fixed firmly in favour of geriatric drivers.
    The ones with backless gloves.
    She could increase the minimum age for a driving license to 65 to get all the 50 year old boy racers in their company BMWs and Audis off the roads, It’s very upsetting for us 70 year olds when all we want to do is tootle along at 30 admiring the scenery.
    Parked in the middle of the road at the Rest and be Thankful, that sort of thing.
    Scared to drive down it in case of a landslide.
  • Good evening

    It seems PB has decided Truss is over before she even takes office and the policies announced

    I have no idea why she thinks JRM and Dorries should be in her cabinet other than some plot to prevent 2 by elections as Johnson sends them to the Lords

    However, I am more restrained as I haven't a clue what she will announce next week, but I would be surprised if she and those around her do not provide an extensive support package for consumers and as importantly businesses, especially small businesses

    A package well targeted and very pro business may well change the narrative and have some red faces on here

    I admit I have to be persuaded by her, but at least let her get in office and start the post Johnson age

    Her poll ratings are poor but even Starmer is only on 29% tonight

    Truth is disenchantment , worry and fear stalks the political class as they attempt to do the impossible and make the cost of living crisis disappear as if it is not real when it is a direct consequence of the war with Russia which only ends when that does

    The polling indeed suggests none of the above is wanted in number 10.
    If Labour are high 30s, low 40s, 29% thinking Starmer will be best PM suggests their vote is shallow.
    Having said that, its better than the blues right now!
    Everybody's is better than the conservatives who have taken leave of their senses, indeed the only good is Johnson leaving no 10 on Tuesday
  • londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 2,002

    Good evening

    It seems PB has decided Truss is over before she even takes office and the policies announced

    I have no idea why she thinks JRM and Dorries should be in her cabinet other than some plot to prevent 2 by elections as Johnson sends them to the Lords

    However, I am more restrained as I haven't a clue what she will announce next week, but I would be surprised if she and those around her do not provide an extensive support package for consumers and as importantly businesses, especially small businesses

    A package well targeted and very pro business may well change the narrative and have some red faces on here

    I admit I have to be persuaded by her, but at least let her get in office and start the post Johnson age

    Her poll ratings are poor but even Starmer is only on 29% tonight

    Truth is disenchantment , worry and fear stalks the political class as they attempt to do the impossible and make the cost of living crisis disappear as if it is not real when it is a direct consequence of the war with Russia which only ends when that does

    I still don't think Keir has sealed the deal 👍
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 2,148
    Eabhal said:

    eek said:

    HYUFD said:

    Truss considering not replacing the 48 hour maximum working week in UK law when all remaining EU regulations are scrapped next year and also not renewing the guaranteed 4 weeks holiday a year plus Bank Holidays. This is the first sign of the firmly Thatcherite government Truss will lead in economic terms

    https://twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/1566018961875079169?s=20&t=bcYiechy4LAcRQXuuFY1vw

    Truss' new government will also lift the fracking ban within days

    https://twitter.com/toryboypierce/status/1566075534295146496?s=20&t=bcYiechy4LAcRQXuuFY1vw

    That first change will require changing multiple parts of employment law - which really does need to be sorted as current employment law is a grade a mess.

    We’ve covered fracking before though - the Uk geology isn’t suitable
    The 48 hour thing will be used to shaft people who don't understand minimum wage rules.
    And used by employers who do, and disagree with it.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 2,697
    edited September 3
    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    Eabhal said:

    dixiedean said:

    Replying to @Leon from the last thread
    Dystopian indeed. It doesnt take much reading between the lines from a September announcement of a Jan to Mar subsidy of bus fares so people can afford to get to work to work out just how much shit we are in. Expect many more such things being announced, get your freezer stocked and buy a new kettle.
    I invested in 2 very nice hoodies in Scotland. Toasty.

    Yes. I'm surprised the bus policy attracted so little comment.
    It's a major intervention. Of the type which the new PM must have signed off on. It is what they dragged Burnham through court to prevent.
    It's a huge deal.
    And not a harbinger of good at all.
    Pennies compared to the fuel duty cut.

    The Truss government will be fixed firmly in favour of geriatric drivers.
    The ones with backless gloves.
    She could increase the minimum age for a driving license to 65 to get all the 50 year old boy racers in their company BMWs and Audis off the roads, It’s very upsetting for us 70 year olds when all we want to do is tootle along at 30 admiring the scenery.
    Parked in the middle of the road at the Rest and be Thankful, that sort of thing.
    Great food van there. Try the bacon and brie roll.

    Edit: and possibly parked there to avoid the extortionate parking fees at Arrochar.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 55,093

    Good evening

    It seems PB has decided Truss is over before she even takes office and the policies announced

    I have no idea why she thinks JRM and Dorries should be in her cabinet other than some plot to prevent 2 by elections as Johnson sends them to the Lords

    However, I am more restrained as I haven't a clue what she will announce next week, but I would be surprised if she and those around her do not provide an extensive support package for consumers and as importantly businesses, especially small businesses

    A package well targeted and very pro business may well change the narrative and have some red faces on here

    I admit I have to be persuaded by her, but at least let her get in office and start the post Johnson age

    Her poll ratings are poor but even Starmer is only on 29% tonight

    Truth is disenchantment , worry and fear stalks the political class as they attempt to do the impossible and make the cost of living crisis disappear as if it is not real when it is a direct consequence of the war with Russia which only ends when that does

    I would be delighted if Johnson gets his way and places Nad in the HoL. At least she will be well away from wrecking the BBC if she is in the Lords. We can only hope.
  • murali_smurali_s Posts: 2,964

    Good evening

    It seems PB has decided Truss is over before she even takes office and the policies announced

    I have no idea why she thinks JRM and Dorries should be in her cabinet other than some plot to prevent 2 by elections as Johnson sends them to the Lords

    However, I am more restrained as I haven't a clue what she will announce next week, but I would be surprised if she and those around her do not provide an extensive support package for consumers and as importantly businesses, especially small businesses

    A package well targeted and very pro business may well change the narrative and have some red faces on here

    I admit I have to be persuaded by her, but at least let her get in office and start the post Johnson age

    Her poll ratings are poor but even Starmer is only on 29% tonight

    Truth is disenchantment , worry and fear stalks the political class as they attempt to do the impossible and make the cost of living crisis disappear as if it s not real and directly a consequence of the war with Russia which only ends when that does

    Let’s not forget the calamity that is Brexit. Very convenient to blame Ukraine on all our woes.

    Brexit is fully owned by the disingenuous Tories. As most are saying here, they need to be ejected and soon.

  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    HYUFD said:

    murali_s said:

    HYUFD said:

    Truss considering not replacing the 48 hour maximum working week in UK law when all remaining EU regulations are scrapped next year and also not renewing the guaranteed 4 weeks holiday a year plus Bank Holidays. This is the first sign of the firmly Thatcherite government Truss will lead in economic terms

    https://twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/1566018961875079169?s=20&t=bcYiechy4LAcRQXuuFY1vw

    Truss' new government will also lift the fracking ban within days

    https://twitter.com/toryboypierce/status/1566075534295146496?s=20&t=bcYiechy4LAcRQXuuFY1vw

    What the frack!

    Loony tunes and some more. Even I will be begging for Boris to return before the end!
    As I said at the time those wishing Boris gone may regret it soon enough, looks like Truss will be much more rightwing economically at least
    Look, Boris had to go in the same way that he would have had to go if he had died in office. You can't prop up a stinking corpse for three years because you think its fiscal instincts are more laissez faire liberal than the alternatives. I do really question your claim to be a Christian what with your absolute immorality and your adherence to the straight Christ heresy.

    Truss is going to be comedy gold, is the message this evening, and put your party out of power for much much longer than 1997 to 2010.
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 11,238
    HYUFD said:

    The Sweden Democrats have beaten the Moderates in the last 23 polls.

    If this holds true on the evening of 11 September (the result is known within an hour or two of polling closing), and SD+M+KD+L is greater than S+V+C+MP then we will likely see an extremely unstable minority M+KD government with C&S from SD and L. Probably won’t last 12 months.

    Personally I’m still hoping that PM Magdalena Andersson holds on. I voted C-C-L (national-regional-local) with that aim.

    I really wish that my former party the Moderates had held on to our previous leader Anna Kinberg Batra. There is no way she would have got the party into the guddle that Ulf Kristersson has created.

    Yes but Kristersson might still be PM as even you suggest due to his willingness to deal with the SDs
    … despite his willingness to deal with them.

  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 24,296

    dixiedean said:

    Replying to @Leon from the last thread
    Dystopian indeed. It doesnt take much reading between the lines from a September announcement of a Jan to Mar subsidy of bus fares so people can afford to get to work to work out just how much shit we are in. Expect many more such things being announced, get your freezer stocked and buy a new kettle.
    I invested in 2 very nice hoodies in Scotland. Toasty.

    Yes. I'm surprised the bus policy attracted so little comment.
    It's a major intervention. Of the type which the new PM must have signed off on. It is what they dragged Burnham through court to prevent.
    It's a huge deal.
    And not a harbinger of good at all.
    Its the most worrying development i've seen so far. It literally reeks of horizon doom
    Yep.
    State mandated pricing in buses. Something undreamed of outside our capitals.
    Worst Tory nightmare in fact. They've been fighting this since David Blunkett was a councillor.
    Implies very real fear of businesses closing because no one can afford to travel.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 10,451
    murali_s said:

    Good evening

    It seems PB has decided Truss is over before she even takes office and the policies announced

    I have no idea why she thinks JRM and Dorries should be in her cabinet other than some plot to prevent 2 by elections as Johnson sends them to the Lords

    However, I am more restrained as I haven't a clue what she will announce next week, but I would be surprised if she and those around her do not provide an extensive support package for consumers and as importantly businesses, especially small businesses

    A package well targeted and very pro business may well change the narrative and have some red faces on here

    I admit I have to be persuaded by her, but at least let her get in office and start the post Johnson age

    Her poll ratings are poor but even Starmer is only on 29% tonight

    Truth is disenchantment , worry and fear stalks the political class as they attempt to do the impossible and make the cost of living crisis disappear as if it s not real and directly a consequence of the war with Russia which only ends when that does

    Let’s not forget the calamity that is Brexit. Very convenient to blame Ukraine on all our woes.

    Brexit is fully owned by the disingenuous Tories. As most are saying here, they need to be ejected and soon.

    It’s impossible to say that Brexit is a calamity as it’s very hard to disentangle Covid and now the Ukraine invasion. I’m sure there has been some negative effects, but they have been dwarfed by other events.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 6,648
    edited September 3

    Good evening

    It seems PB has decided Truss is over before she even takes office and the policies announced

    I have no idea why she thinks JRM and Dorries should be in her cabinet other than some plot to prevent 2 by elections as Johnson sends them to the Lords

    However, I am more restrained as I haven't a clue what she will announce next week, but I would be surprised if she and those around her do not provide an extensive support package for consumers and as importantly businesses, especially small businesses

    A package well targeted and very pro business may well change the narrative and have some red faces on here

    I admit I have to be persuaded by her, but at least let her get in office and start the post Johnson age

    Her poll ratings are poor but even Starmer is only on 29% tonight

    Truth is disenchantment , worry and fear stalks the political class as they attempt to do the impossible and make the cost of living crisis disappear as if it is not real when it is a direct consequence of the war with Russia which only ends when that does

    The polling indeed suggests none of the above is wanted in number 10.
    If Labour are high 30s, low 40s, 29% thinking Starmer will be best PM suggests their vote is shallow.
    Having said that, its better than the blues right now!
    Everybody's is better than the conservatives who have taken leave of their senses, indeed the only good is Johnson leaving no 10 on Tuesday
    Theyve got a bugger of a job to do to hold it all together this winter, i fear for what might happen. I'm trying to be hopeful but also feeling rather bleakly pessimistic. I just think its too big. For anyone. Starmers intervention already looks ludicrously naive and undercooked. But it does at least exist.
  • murali_s said:

    Good evening

    It seems PB has decided Truss is over before she even takes office and the policies announced

    I have no idea why she thinks JRM and Dorries should be in her cabinet other than some plot to prevent 2 by elections as Johnson sends them to the Lords

    However, I am more restrained as I haven't a clue what she will announce next week, but I would be surprised if she and those around her do not provide an extensive support package for consumers and as importantly businesses, especially small businesses

    A package well targeted and very pro business may well change the narrative and have some red faces on here

    I admit I have to be persuaded by her, but at least let her get in office and start the post Johnson age

    Her poll ratings are poor but even Starmer is only on 29% tonight

    Truth is disenchantment , worry and fear stalks the political class as they attempt to do the impossible and make the cost of living crisis disappear as if it s not real and directly a consequence of the war with Russia which only ends when that does

    Let’s not forget the calamity that is Brexit. Very convenient to blame Ukraine on all our woes.

    Brexit is fully owned by the disingenuous Tories. As most are saying here, they need to be ejected and soon.

    I have no problem with brexit and anyway neither does Starmer
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 10,451
    Eabhal said:

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    Eabhal said:

    dixiedean said:

    Replying to @Leon from the last thread
    Dystopian indeed. It doesnt take much reading between the lines from a September announcement of a Jan to Mar subsidy of bus fares so people can afford to get to work to work out just how much shit we are in. Expect many more such things being announced, get your freezer stocked and buy a new kettle.
    I invested in 2 very nice hoodies in Scotland. Toasty.

    Yes. I'm surprised the bus policy attracted so little comment.
    It's a major intervention. Of the type which the new PM must have signed off on. It is what they dragged Burnham through court to prevent.
    It's a huge deal.
    And not a harbinger of good at all.
    Pennies compared to the fuel duty cut.

    The Truss government will be fixed firmly in favour of geriatric drivers.
    The ones with backless gloves.
    She could increase the minimum age for a driving license to 65 to get all the 50 year old boy racers in their company BMWs and Audis off the roads, It’s very upsetting for us 70 year olds when all we want to do is tootle along at 30 admiring the scenery.
    Parked in the middle of the road at the Rest and be Thankful, that sort of thing.
    Great food van there. Try the bacon and brie roll.

    Edit: and possibly parked there to avoid the extortionate parking fees at Arrochar.
    I stayed in a lovely B and B at Rest and Be Thankful. They used a generator for electricity (this is 20 years ago). Right now they would be ahead of the curve…
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 27,913
    edited September 3
    Nothing new. They do like to insist that the dead vote No, as in 1978. (Rather like one of us with DKs.)
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 24,296
    edited September 3

    eek said:

    HYUFD said:

    Truss considering not replacing the 48 hour maximum working week in UK law when all remaining EU regulations are scrapped next year and also not renewing the guaranteed 4 weeks holiday a year plus Bank Holidays. This is the first sign of the firmly Thatcherite government Truss will lead in economic terms

    https://twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/1566018961875079169?s=20&t=bcYiechy4LAcRQXuuFY1vw

    Truss' new government will also lift the fracking ban within days

    https://twitter.com/toryboypierce/status/1566075534295146496?s=20&t=bcYiechy4LAcRQXuuFY1vw

    That first change will require changing multiple parts of employment law - which really does need to be sorted as current employment law is a grade a mess.

    We’ve covered fracking before though - the Uk geology isn’t suitable
    Fracking is an easy win for Truss.

    She lifts any bans but then no one wants to actually do any fracking in UK - a detail that will escape her members.
    "With the consent of the community" is the bit which will escape notice.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 2,697
    That's such a wind up. Wonder if it's to try and trap Starmer?
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 10,451
    Would have been useful in 2016…
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 6,648
    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    Replying to @Leon from the last thread
    Dystopian indeed. It doesnt take much reading between the lines from a September announcement of a Jan to Mar subsidy of bus fares so people can afford to get to work to work out just how much shit we are in. Expect many more such things being announced, get your freezer stocked and buy a new kettle.
    I invested in 2 very nice hoodies in Scotland. Toasty.

    Yes. I'm surprised the bus policy attracted so little comment.
    It's a major intervention. Of the type which the new PM must have signed off on. It is what they dragged Burnham through court to prevent.
    It's a huge deal.
    And not a harbinger of good at all.
    Its the most worrying development i've seen so far. It literally reeks of horizon doom
    Yep.
    State mandated pricing in buses. Something undreamed of outside our capitals.
    Worst Tory nightmare in fact. They've been fighting this since David Blunkett was a councillor.
    Implies very real fear of businesses closing because no one can afford to travel.
    Yep. 100%. Its implying only mass and wide ranging interventions will keep the country afloat
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 27,913
    edited September 3
    dixiedean said:

    eek said:

    HYUFD said:

    Truss considering not replacing the 48 hour maximum working week in UK law when all remaining EU regulations are scrapped next year and also not renewing the guaranteed 4 weeks holiday a year plus Bank Holidays. This is the first sign of the firmly Thatcherite government Truss will lead in economic terms

    https://twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/1566018961875079169?s=20&t=bcYiechy4LAcRQXuuFY1vw

    Truss' new government will also lift the fracking ban within days

    https://twitter.com/toryboypierce/status/1566075534295146496?s=20&t=bcYiechy4LAcRQXuuFY1vw

    That first change will require changing multiple parts of employment law - which really does need to be sorted as current employment law is a grade a mess.

    We’ve covered fracking before though - the Uk geology isn’t suitable
    Fracking is an easy win for Truss.

    She lifts any bans but then no one wants to actually do any fracking in UK - a detail that will escape her members.
    "With the consent of the community" is the bit which will escape notice.
    Not in Wales, NI or Scotland. (Assuming Stormont is working again.)
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 2,697

    Good evening

    It seems PB has decided Truss is over before she even takes office and the policies announced

    I have no idea why she thinks JRM and Dorries should be in her cabinet other than some plot to prevent 2 by elections as Johnson sends them to the Lords

    However, I am more restrained as I haven't a clue what she will announce next week, but I would be surprised if she and those around her do not provide an extensive support package for consumers and as importantly businesses, especially small businesses

    A package well targeted and very pro business may well change the narrative and have some red faces on here

    I admit I have to be persuaded by her, but at least let her get in office and start the post Johnson age

    Her poll ratings are poor but even Starmer is only on 29% tonight

    Truth is disenchantment , worry and fear stalks the political class as they attempt to do the impossible and make the cost of living crisis disappear as if it is not real when it is a direct consequence of the war with Russia which only ends when that does

    The polling indeed suggests none of the above is wanted in number 10.
    If Labour are high 30s, low 40s, 29% thinking Starmer will be best PM suggests their vote is shallow.
    Having said that, its better than the blues right now!
    Everybody's is better than the conservatives who have taken leave of their senses, indeed the only good is Johnson leaving no 10 on Tuesday
    Theyve got a bugger of a job to do to hold it all together this winter, i fear for what might happen. I'm trying to be hopeful but also feeling rather bleakly pessimistic. I just think its too big. For anyone. Starmers intervention already looks ludicrously naive and undercooked. But it does at least exist.
    Starmer's solution was far too generous to people on higher incomes. It really needs to be Sunak's (x4) or similar.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 8,508
    “ Some interesting ideas in the story - will be interesting to see where they go with it. And how the Lord Of Gifts gets brought in…”

    Has he literally crashed in via meatorite? Or have they invented a pre Gandalf type Gandalf 🤔
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 2,148
    I have no problem with that if it is introduced in conjunction with a rule that only those living full time in Scotland for at least 10 years can vote. No second homers and recent English incomers can vote.
  • eekeek Posts: 21,769
    Eabhal said:

    eek said:

    HYUFD said:

    Truss considering not replacing the 48 hour maximum working week in UK law when all remaining EU regulations are scrapped next year and also not renewing the guaranteed 4 weeks holiday a year plus Bank Holidays. This is the first sign of the firmly Thatcherite government Truss will lead in economic terms

    https://twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/1566018961875079169?s=20&t=bcYiechy4LAcRQXuuFY1vw

    Truss' new government will also lift the fracking ban within days

    https://twitter.com/toryboypierce/status/1566075534295146496?s=20&t=bcYiechy4LAcRQXuuFY1vw

    That first change will require changing multiple parts of employment law - which really does need to be sorted as current employment law is a grade a mess.

    We’ve covered fracking before though - the Uk geology isn’t suitable
    The 48 hour thing will be used to shaft people who don't understand minimum wage rules.
    If minimum wage isn’t revoked then no company will be pushing it - it’s very easy to be caught out by it..
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