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  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,423

    People leaving track changes on when they send me their word documents has helped me so much in my career.
    Remember when the MoD redacted documents but people could still select the text in the pdf and paste it into Word to make it visible? Good times
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,423
    edited September 2022
    Driver said:

    A good, positive message you have there.
    Positive messages resonate more with at least some negative ones to contrast against. Push and pull.

    No one wants endless recriminatinatory bitching between parties, but I think we get a bit up ourselves about judging negative campaigning sometimes. It like when being accused of scaremongering - some things should scare people.
  • GhedebravGhedebrav Posts: 3,860

    I do wonder where this will go -If AI is capable of producing great art and literature then it surely will mass produce it (why not?) yet -isn't the main criteria of great art or writing is that it stands out or is rare ?
    You see it now in chess where AI is SO much better than the top players that nobody drools now over a great move by a grandmaster because it is just then fed into a machine and a machine comes up with a even better way of winning a game and everyone just sort of shrugs

    AI makes the extraordinary ordinary - which is fine for menial labour replacing stuff but not for art or literature or even chess
    It's not particularly good though. It would pass as a piece of artwork in a published D&D adventure, but it's hardly high art.

    Also artists being pissed is hardly news; in my London years the Sam Smiths pubs were full of 'em.
  • Leon said:

    Well, yes

    90% of future art and literature will be produced by machines, or machines in collaboration with humans

    There will always be a market for the rare artisanal human product, but it will be a market dimensions smaller than it is now

    Pretty grim for young artists/writers starting out now. Maybe quite grim for the human condition. But I don't know how it can be stopped. The genie is out of the lamp
    If that genie gave you the usual three wishes , would one of them be to stop it?

  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,423
    Ghedebrav said:

    It's not particularly good though. It would pass as a piece of artwork in a published D&D adventure, but it's hardly high art.

    Also artists being pissed is hardly news; in my London years the Sam Smiths pubs were full of 'em.
    What's 'high art'? Plenty of well regarded art may not be the most technically brilliant - truly talented artists on things like movies and games, producing works of astounding quality, wouldn't get a look in an arts competition I'd expect.
  • DriverDriver Posts: 5,560
    kle4 said:

    Positive messages resonate more with at least some negative ones to contrast against. Push and pull.

    No one wants endless recriminatinatory bitching between parties, but I think we get a bit up ourselves about judging negative campaigning sometimes. It like when being accused of scaremongering - some things should scare people.
    Right, but all we seem to get is the negative campaigning...
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,480
    kle4 said:

    It's a weird thing about human nature that we often use bad arguments even when better ones exist (even if one is not persuaded by it even then). The argument people cannot figure out a relatively straightforward system like that is really just defenders of the current system insulting people.
    What they seem incapable of understanding is that a third of Alaska's Republican voters would rather vote for a Democrat than Palin.

    That's not "ballet exhaustion" (whatever TF that means), or "fraudulent", or "convoluted", or a "scam" - it's just voters telling them to pick candidates who aren't utterly risible.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    kle4 said:

    Positive messages resonate more with at least some negative ones to contrast against. Push and pull.

    No one wants endless recriminatinatory bitching between parties, but I think we get a bit up ourselves about judging negative campaigning sometimes. It like when being accused of scaremongering - some things should scare people.
    I really don't see this particular message setting the Thames on fire though, and it's a bit cack handed to suggest that anyone can affect the first two of those SEVEN years anyway.

    What impressed me most about cassetteboy's 2017 anti May videos was that they ended with the one word VOTE. Not vote X or Y, just VOTE. If I were Labour I'd be concentrating on getting that one word across to da youf. Delightfully they could even dress it up as a cross party initiative, because tories have to pretend to believe that the more voting across all age groups the healthier for democracy.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 13,956
    This article in the Spectator at least tries to achieve some sort of understanding about Truss economics; so is useful.

    Summary: cut tax, borrow more at higher interest rates, do loads of what we attacked Labour for doing. Looks disastrous.

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/trussonomics-a-beginners-guide
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,585
    Ghedebrav said:

    It's not particularly good though. It would pass as a piece of artwork in a published D&D adventure, but it's hardly high art.

    Also artists being pissed is hardly news; in my London years the Sam Smiths pubs were full of 'em.

    To me it looks generic, good but unamazing digital art. But it was fine enough to win the trophy

    Check out the various tweet threads, Reddit forums, 4chan chats, you name it, dedicated to best art now coming out of AI. Some of it is extraordinarily good
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,480
    kle4 said:

    Seems like old news - programmes have been creating music soundalikes of classical masters for years I believe, which are indistinguishable from the real thing.

    We know there will be a market for the equivalent of 'hand made' artwork produced by real human beings, like art produced be a chimpanzee not being 'real' art because of lack of intended meaning or whatever, the uninformed observer won't be able to tell the difference.
    I'm imagining Victorian Leon encountering photography for the first time.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,423
    Driver said:

    Right, but all we seem to get is the negative campaigning...
    We get what we deserve - if it didn't work, if we didn't want it, they'd be more positive.
  • GhedebravGhedebrav Posts: 3,860
    kle4 said:

    What's 'high art'? Plenty of well regarded art may not be the most technically brilliant - truly talented artists on things like movies and games, producing works of astounding quality, wouldn't get a look in an arts competition I'd expect.
    I guess it's creating something which transcends its medium and face value. It's hard to quantify what makes a Titian or Rembrandt better than their hundreds of technically proficient imitators - but like the old definition of pornography, you know it when you see it.

    Agree that talented artists in digital media should get more credit though.
  • No_Offence_AlanNo_Offence_Alan Posts: 4,956
    edited September 2022

    @dwnews
    Germany's invasion and occupation of Poland during World War II caused losses amounting to €1.32 trillion, a Polish parliamentary committee determined.

    The head of Poland's ruling party says it would officially demand reparations.


    https://twitter.com/dwnews/status/1565334528570294272

    What's the equivalent figure for the Russian occupation?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,423
    Nigelb said:

    What they seem incapable of understanding is that a third of Alaska's Republican voters would rather vote for a Democrat than Palin.

    That's not "ballet exhaustion" (whatever TF that means), or "fraudulent", or "convoluted", or a "scam" - it's just voters telling them to pick candidates who aren't utterly risible.
    Not ranked choice, but what was amusing was the Georgia election where one candidate got 49.7% to 47.9%, but they require an actual majority, and he still lost the runoff, going down to 49.4%.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,480
    He's either utterly desperate, or completely off his rocker, or both.

    In a new interview, Trump says he believes DOJ was really looking for Russiagate material and Hillary Clinton emails during the search.
    https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1565357420108455938
  • paulyork64paulyork64 Posts: 2,507
    edited September 2022
    In the 16:56 race at Salisbury, Conservative came 9th out of 9.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    Nigelb said:

    I'm imagining Victorian Leon encountering photography for the first time.
    And, what, saying it was a complete and utter gamechanger for absolutely everything, fine art included?

    Wasn't it? Do you think say Guernica would look like it did in the absence of photography?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,423
    edited September 2022
    Nigelb said:

    He's either utterly desperate, or completely off his rocker, or both.

    In a new interview, Trump says he believes DOJ was really looking for Russiagate material and Hillary Clinton emails during the search.
    https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1565357420108455938

    I think one of his general tactics is to throw a million different theories and thoughts out there, purely to confuse. It would explain why some of his defences (and those of his worshippers) of things are contradictory.

    It seems to work.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,480
    First new US memory chip fab in two decades.
    Biden's Chips Act bearing fruit.

    Micron to Invest $15 Billion in New Idaho Fab, Bringing Leading-Edge Memory Manufacturing to the US
    https://finance.yahoo.com/news/micron-invest-15-billion-idaho-130000031.html
  • algarkirk said:

    This article in the Spectator at least tries to achieve some sort of understanding about Truss economics; so is useful.

    Summary: cut tax, borrow more at higher interest rates, do loads of what we attacked Labour for doing. Looks disastrous.

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/trussonomics-a-beginners-guide

    Pretty much. After all, if running an economy was that easy, everyone would do it that way. The harder questions are 1. whether Trussonomics can create enough temporary feelgood to win an election and 2. will a victory bought that way be worth the hangover?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,423

    @dwnews
    Germany's invasion and occupation of Poland during World War II caused losses amounting to €1.32 trillion, a Polish parliamentary committee determined.

    The head of Poland's ruling party says it would officially demand reparations.


    https://twitter.com/dwnews/status/1565334528570294272

    Time and place, Poland.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,585
    IshmaelZ said:

    And, what, saying it was a complete and utter gamechanger for absolutely everything, fine art included?

    Wasn't it? Do you think say Guernica would look like it did in the absence of photography?
    Lots of experts are making your analogy. This is a revolution as big as the advent of photography and then film in visual art, in the 19th century

    I suspect it is even bigger than that

    For a start, it will be ALL art, literature included
  • DynamoDynamo Posts: 651
    edited September 2022
    Trump has demanded $1.32 trillion in reparations for an invasion that happened 80 years ago, and the Polish government is demanding that the German government hand over the Hillary emails that were a feature of the USPE before last? Am I keeping up? What insane times we live in.
  • DavidL said:

    Their TV series was clearly designed to reduce the average IQ of the watcher and make moronic behaviour seem normal.
    DavidL said:

    Their TV series was clearly designed to reduce the average IQ of the watcher and make moronic behaviour seem normal.
    It was a kids' show - I know I was a kid at the time.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,617

    It was a kids' show - I know I was a kid at the time.
    Oh? Did it have a permanent effect?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,480
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    IshmaelZ said:

    And, what, saying it was a complete and utter gamechanger for absolutely everything, fine art included?

    Wasn't it? Do you think say Guernica would look like it did in the absence of photography?
    It wasn't the end of art.
  • Jim_MillerJim_Miller Posts: 3,252
    More evidence for the theory that mixed-race candidates have an advantage in the US: "Peltola, who turned 49 on Wednesday, is the daughter of a Yup’ik mother and a father from Nebraska, who started in Alaska as a teacher in the village of Fort Yukon. There, he worked with Young, who also was a teacher before he ran for Congress. Peltola’s family was close with Young’s, and her father flew Young on campaign stops when he was first seeking statewide office; her mother also campaigned for Young while she was pregnant with Peltola, speaking in the Yup’ik language."
    source:https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/08/31/alaska-palin-peltola-house/

    And marital coalitions, as the example of her predecessor, Don Young, shows: "In 1963 Young married Lula Fredson, who worked as a bookkeeper in Fort Yukon.[4] She was a Gwich'in and the youngest child of early-20th-century Gwich'in leader John Fredson. She volunteered her time serving as the manager of Young's Washington, D.C. congressional office. They had two daughters and were members of the Episcopal Church. Lula died on August 1, 2009, at age 67."
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,585
    Stable Diffusion creates fine photo-art - easily good enough to be exhibited at Frieze London - in 10 seconds. I just did one

    So those guys are done. Why on earth would you pay $20k for digital art when people can make it at home for a penny?
  • MISTYMISTY Posts: 1,594
    Nigelb said:

    What they seem incapable of understanding is that a third of Alaska's Republican voters would rather vote for a Democrat than Palin.

    That's not "ballet exhaustion" (whatever TF that means), or "fraudulent", or "convoluted", or a "scam" - it's just voters telling them to pick candidates who aren't utterly risible.

    Yeah right Romney lost. McCain lost. Molinaro lost. Its a fake premise. Watch the Repubs chose a moderate the left approves of and lose anyway.

  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,480
    edited September 2022
    kle4 said:

    I think one of his general tactics is to throw a million different theories and thoughts out there, purely to confuse. It would explain why some of his defences (and those of his worshippers) of things are contradictory.

    It seems to work.
    Until now.

    His problem is twofold.

    The evidence in this case is obvious to the simplest voter, and damning.
    And no proof of intent is required to secure a criminal conviction.

    While the authorities have said they will hold off until after the November elections (not the best decision, IMO, but whatever), it is going to be very difficult indeed for them not to prosecute.
    The principle of equality before the law is so clearly at stake, and the offence so egregious (not least putting US human intelligence assets' lives at risk), that it will happen.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,617
    IshmaelZ said:

    And, what, saying it was a complete and utter gamechanger for absolutely everything, fine art included?

    Wasn't it? Do you think say Guernica would look like it did in the absence of photography?
    Might well have looked different given that it was probably photographed first to guide the bombers, by Aufklärungsstaffel 88 of the Condor Legion.
  • GhedebravGhedebrav Posts: 3,860
    Leon said:

    Lots of experts are making your analogy. This is a revolution as big as the advent of photography and then film in visual art, in the 19th century

    I suspect it is even bigger than that

    For a start, it will be ALL art, literature included
    Will AI ever make a Breaking Bad or Twin Peaks, I wonder?
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    Carnyx said:

    Might well have looked different given that it was probably photographed first to guide the bombers, by Aufklärungsstaffel 88 of the Condor Legion.
    I was going to say, without photography Guernica would have looked more like Guernica.
  • Leon said:

    Stable Diffusion creates fine photo-art - easily good enough to be exhibited at Frieze London - in 10 seconds. I just did one

    So those guys are done. Why on earth would you pay $20k for digital art when people can make it at home for a penny?

    So they can sell it for $15k and have laundered the money.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,617
    edited September 2022
    Ghedebrav said:

    Will AI ever make a Breaking Bad or Twin Peaks, I wonder?
    Or write polished pieces for Upmarket Travel about drinking wine in some chalet in the Ruritanian Alps while cats copulate under the table and bears defecate in the woods all around.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,480
    MISTY said:


    Yeah right Romney lost. McCain lost. Molinaro lost. Its a fake premise. Watch the Repubs chose a moderate the left approves of and lose anyway.

    What's a false premise ?
    This was the actual choice of the voters.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,423
    Nigelb said:

    Until now.

    His problem is twofold.

    The evidence in this case is obvious to the simplest voter, and damning.
    And no proof of intent is required to secure a criminal conviction.

    While the authorities have said they will hold off until after the November elections (not the best decision, IMO, but whatever), it is going to be very difficult indeed for them not to prosecute.
    The principle of equality before the law is so clearly at stake, and the offence so egregious (not least putting US human intelligence assets' lives at risk), that it will happen.
    I hope so. I get very worried when people (not even Trump fans) argue that criminality (if it has occurred) should not be pursued on the basis of needing to settle things with elections, that going after him empowers him or his side by feeding his narrative. Since when has that ever been true? Those standing or considering standing for election are still expected to uphold other laws, they shouldn't get a pass because they will be vocally angry and their supporters exercised if they are convicted.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,350
    Carnyx said:

    Or write polished pieces for Upmarket Travel about drinking wine in some chalet in the Ruritanian Alps while cats copulate under the table and bears defecate in the woods all around.
    Or, more interestingly, will they write about bears defecating under the table and lots of pussies copulating in the woods around?
  • Jim_MillerJim_Miller Posts: 3,252
    In 2008, Noemie Emery made what I consider a wise observation: She said Obama and Palin were both promising politicians -- but that neither was ready for the job they running for. I think their subsequent careers shows she was right. Although she did little damage, other than to herself, and her family, unlike Obama.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,248
    Nigelb said:

    He's either utterly desperate, or completely off his rocker, or both.

    In a new interview, Trump says he believes DOJ was really looking for Russiagate material and Hillary Clinton emails during the search.
    https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1565357420108455938

    I read an interesting article a couple of years ago about Trump: basically he listens to his audience (whether on Twitter or at a rally). When he gets cheers, he delivers more of the material that gives cheers... when he gets likes and reshares, he doubles down on the message.

    It's almost like a real-time feedback loop.

    The issue is, of course (and ignoring the fact that is a terrible way to govern), that this means that his followers end up a very homogenous bunch. Tens of millions of people who all react in the same way to the same things. They get riled up, and Trump truly is their mouthpiece.

    But it repels as many people as it attracts. So long as Trump faces someone with as many negatives as him (say Ms Clinton), then he does OK because he gets her antis, and his pros. Against someone without the negatives, it's much harder.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,617
    ydoethur said:

    Or, more interestingly, will they write about bears defecating under the table and lots of pussies copulating in the woods around?
    Not much room under the table, unless they are water bears. Or Teddy bears.
  • Jim_MillerJim_Miller Posts: 3,252
    Correction: shows Emery was right and Palin did little damage
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,585
    Ghedebrav said:

    Will AI ever make a Breaking Bad or Twin Peaks, I wonder?
    Yes, is my guess. The Stable Diffusion guys say they are rolling out video versions shortly. Tho others are asking How, as this is orders of magnitude harder than still images, it seems

    But in the end the AI will surely get there. Unless someone pulls the plug on the whole thing, as a dangerous experiment
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,248
    MISTY said:


    Yeah right Romney lost. McCain lost. Molinaro lost. Its a fake premise. Watch the Repubs chose a moderate the left approves of and lose anyway.

    I'm struggling to understand your point here.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,423
    Leon said:

    Stable Diffusion creates fine photo-art - easily good enough to be exhibited at Frieze London - in 10 seconds. I just did one

    So those guys are done. Why on earth would you pay $20k for digital art when people can make it at home for a penny?

    People already pay absurd amounts for artwork based on who created it, rather than any aesthetic quality. I guess it just means only a rare few will be the lucky ones who can market such (or whoever owns their stuff when they are dead will).
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    edited September 2022
    148grss said:

    Having said that, the post Dobbs outlook is more positive for Dems, and if the generic ballot moves further, Dems could still win.

    https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/what-democrats-win-in-alaska-tells-us-about-november/
    In Michigan the two GOP memebers of the board of Canvassers prevented a ballot initiative to Protect Abortion Rights going to the voters in November. Which I imagine they thought (given what happened in Kansas) they were very clever in doing so.

    However in my view this is a huge mistake by the GOp because it now turns every state house seat, the govenorship and the elections to the Supreme Court into a referendum on abortion.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,248
    Leon said:

    Yes, is my guess. The Stable Diffusion guys say they are rolling out video versions shortly. Tho others are asking How, as this is orders of magnitude harder than still images, it seems

    But in the end the AI will surely get there. Unless someone pulls the plug on the whole thing, as a dangerous experiment
    I remember hearing from a very bright analyst the view that nVidia, Intel an d ARM are all dead in the long-term, because there's no need for more computing power.

    Well, I think we've just discovered that's not true.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,905

    Pretty much. After all, if running an economy was that easy, everyone would do it that way. The harder questions are 1. whether Trussonomics can create enough temporary feelgood to win an election and 2. will a victory bought that way be worth the hangover?
    There seems a remarkably breezy insouciance about how the markets would react, too.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,350
    Carnyx said:

    Not much room under the table, unless they are water bears. Or Teddy bears.
    Or Russian bears, which are much smaller and weaker than we realised.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,248
    @MISTY - the US Presidency changes hands pretty reliably every two electoral cycles, almost irrespective of who the Presidential nominees are.

    So, I'm not sure that claiming that "it's because they were moderate/conservatives/etc." holds that much weight.

    Romney would - I suspect - have walked it against Hillary in 2016. And I think you are living in cloud cuckoo land if you think Trump would not have been obliterated if he'd stood against Obama in 2012.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,087
    rcs1000 said:

    I remember hearing from a very bright analyst the view that nVidia, Intel an d ARM are all dead in the long-term, because there's no need for more computing power.

    Well, I think we've just discovered that's not true.
    People have been selling “we have all the computing power we will ever need” since I can remember. That’s several decades…
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,248
    Nigelb said:

    What's a false premise ?
    This was the actual choice of the voters.
    If the voters agree with your existing preconceptions, then you are vindicated; and if they disagree, then there is electoral fraud.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,585
    Stable Diffusion is weirdly obsessed with nipples
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    edited September 2022
    rcs1000 said:

    On the subject of predictions, 538 has been pretty good historically.

    If you look at the 2020 Senate elections, they only called three races wrong: Maine and North Carolina, which stayed Republican; and Georgia, which the Democrats flipped.

    If we look at their individual Senate forecasts now, and assume they call it wrong by one in the Dems favour, then you end up at 50:50.

    FWIW, I think a small bet on the Republicans on Betfair is now worth a punt: I'm thinking the Republicans grab Nevada and Georgia, but lose Pennsylvania and fall short in Arizona.

    Republicans take Nevada is the dog that never sounded its forghorn in the night for over a decade since Harry Reid was 100% guaranteed to lose fact in 2010.

    I haven't looked at it this time but I've grown tired of losing money on the GOP doing well in the state.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,878
    MISTY said:


    Yeah right Romney lost. McCain lost. Molinaro lost. Its a fake premise. Watch the Repubs chose a moderate the left approves of and lose anyway.

    No chance of that happening anytime soon. Though I am sure McCain would have won in 2000 and likely the popular vote too and Kasich would have beaten Hillary in 2016.
  • MISTYMISTY Posts: 1,594
    edited September 2022
    rcs1000 said:

    @MISTY - the US Presidency changes hands pretty reliably every two electoral cycles, almost irrespective of who the Presidential nominees are.

    So, I'm not sure that claiming that "it's because they were moderate/conservatives/etc." holds that much weight.

    Romney would - I suspect - have walked it against Hillary in 2016. And I think you are living in cloud cuckoo land if you think Trump would not have been obliterated if he'd stood against Obama in 2012.

    That absolutely fair, but following your logic claiming 'its because they were Trumpist etc.' maybe doesn't hold that much weight either.

    That's what McConnell tried to claim, though, isn't it, and its why so many Trumpists want to see him ousted.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,878

    There's a second time for everything, though. And the Conservatives have set themselves a stinker of a problem to solve demographically.

    It's always been the case that people get more right-wing on average as they get older. But since about 2016, the effect has become huge. Really huge.

    I like this set of graphs because it explains so much, but I hate it because I wish it weren't this way;




    The Conservatives really need to do something to appeal to people who haven't made a pile by buying a house cheaply a couple of decades ago. At the moment, they don't seem to be even trying.
    Not too much though, on that graph Blair and New Labour even won over 65s in 1997 as well as every other age group in the Tories worst defeat since 1832
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,248
    Leon said:

    Stable Diffusion is weirdly obsessed with nipples

    Maybe you should remove the word "breasts" from every prompt?
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    rcs1000 said:

    @MISTY - the US Presidency changes hands pretty reliably every two electoral cycles, almost irrespective of who the Presidential nominees are.

    So, I'm not sure that claiming that "it's because they were moderate/conservatives/etc." holds that much weight.

    Romney would - I suspect - have walked it against Hillary in 2016. And I think you are living in cloud cuckoo land if you think Trump would not have been obliterated if he'd stood against Obama in 2012.

    It was pretty clear that Obama was goading Trump to run in 2012. I wonder how close he was to doing so.

    As for the hypothetocal Romney vs Clinton match up... given Romeny's empirically better connection with the rust belt than Trump (more votes than Trump in Wisconsin) he would have smashed Clinton into a record defeat.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,585
    rcs1000 said:

    Maybe you should remove the word "breasts" from every prompt?
    lol

    Am I allowed to post a couple of images? They are not porno, nor violent, nor scary. I just wanna show how you can create acceptable photo art in seconds
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,248
    Alistair said:

    Republicans take Nevada is the dog that never sounded its forghorn in the night for over a decade since Harry Reid was 100% guaranteed to lose fact in 2010.

    I haven't looked at it this time but I've grown tired of losing money on the GOP doing well in the state.
    I grant you, I have called Nevada for the Republicans several times more than they have actually won it.

    And I also grant you that Nevada voted 2:1 for legal abortion in a referendum about fifteen years ago, and that Laxalit is about as extreme on the anti-abortion side as you can get.

    I will also admit that the only poll showing Laxalit ahead is from Trafalgar, and Suffolk (who is pretty reliable) has Cortez Mastro up six points.

    Nevertheless: I do think Nevada is vulnerable to the Dems. And if I lose money on it, so be it.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Also, I think backing Herschel Walker is a, er, brave move.
  • Nigelb said:

    What they seem incapable of understanding is that a third of Alaska's Republican voters would rather vote for a Democrat than Palin.

    That's not "ballet exhaustion" (whatever TF that means), or "fraudulent", or "convoluted", or a "scam" - it's just voters telling them to pick candidates who aren't utterly risible.
    Pungent PB pundit alert - Note that in Alaska's very special US House election, just over 20% of voters who gave Begich their 1st preference did NOT give a 2nd preference for either Palin or Peltola.

    Of those who voted in first round for EITHER of the two GOPers, Begich and Palin, note that 76% voted for Palin in the 2nd round (including 50% of Begich voters) compared with 14% who voted for Democrat Peltola (29% of Begich voters) while 10% did NOT give a 2nd-round vote (21% of Begich voters).

    Bottom line is still that Palin lost to Peltola by -2.9% in the final, decisive count.

    HOWEVER, she and the other three will again be on the November ballot for the REGULAR two-year US House term, where turnout can be expected to be higher.

    Whether Sarah Palin's vote ceiling will be higher is another story. For THAT was clearly a factor in her special election loss, along with repeal of Roe v Wade and the ongoing saga of the Sage of Mar-a-Lardo.

    Which, as we enter upon the Labor Day weekend across the USA, appears to be Trumping (pun intended) the sins of Joe Biden AND the Great GOP War on Woke.

  • Jim_MillerJim_Miller Posts: 3,252
    Misty said: "Yeah right Romney lost. McCain lost. Molinaro lost. Its a fake premise. Watch the Repubs chose a moderate the left approves of and lose anyway."

    Here's a list of secretaries of state of Washington: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secretary_of_State_of_Washington
    Note that Republicans -- and I can tell you all were moderates -- won every election, beginning in 1964. Even while the state was becoming more Democratic. (Wyman resigned.)

    Romney has won more elections than he has lost, including one in a state that is not particularly Republican. McCain was not a moderate on foreign policy. (I suppose there are a few carrier pilots who are moderates on foreign policy, but I don't know of any.)
  • On topic, I think the odds on him bowing out as an MP before the General Election are very attractive.

    He's still got a standards & privileges investigation and the mood music from "friends of the PM" is he's not sure the Tory majority on that makes him safe as some of them hate his guts. At best, that's all rather painful, and at worst he's suspended and in recall territory. Him no longer being an MP doesn't totally end that, but the whole thing becomes rather moot.

    My view is also that, rather than being a steady income with minimal duties, continuing as an MP impedes his earning potential rather than adding to it, whilst carrying some risk of embarrassment. Even though there's a decent Tory majority, he will actually have to vote sometimes when he'd rather be giving a speech in Denver or whatever for serious money (and I'd not be shocked if Labour dicked him about on pairing for sh1ts and giggles), there are transparency obligations regarding income with the position, and he's open to "absentee landlord" stories. A lot of faff for chickenfeed.

    In terms of a comeback, he's come back to the Commons before having been out and there is barely a safe Tory seat in the country that wouldn't select him to fill a vacancy. I know people put about the idea of a quick comeback as a grateful nation demands his return after five minutes of Truss. But it's away with the fairies stuff - he needs Truss to lose an election AND the next leader to fail to make headway to be back in the game. Uxbridge also isn't a great seat - Labour need a 7.5% swing which, if Truss loses the General Election is very much in the vulnerable range. Better to bow out than lose - give it five years and see how the world looks.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,350
    HYUFD said:

    No chance of that happening anytime soon. Though I am sure McCain would have won in 2000 and likely the popular vote too and Kasich would have beaten Hillary in 2016.
    Here is a question the Republicans should be thinking about, but clearly are not:

    Why have they only won the popular vote once since the collapse of the Soviet Union?
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,780
    Oof.
    This morning, while reversing into my drive, someone drove into the side of me. No-one hurt. But the other guy seemed unreasonably angry that I was reversing into my drive, and hasn't accepted responsibility.
    I've never been in this situation before. I've been in accidents, but usually responsibility is accepted at the time. This is proving considerably more problematic. Latest issue is that my renewal is due in a week and a half, and the cost of this has just suddenly more than doubled.
    You start doubting yourself in this situation. Was it really my fault? But I took some photos at the time: my back wheels are on the pavement; I'm just about perpendicular to the road and there's a big dent in the driver's door. I can't see how a reasonable person could conclude this was my fault.
  • It's a huge amount of money by most standards. But the newspaper business must not be hugely profitable if that's the salary of its absolute stars, when sectors like tech, finance or consulting are chock full of quite average people earning well north of that. Perhaps they are less fun and offer fewer side benefits.
    It was a quote.

    The mayor of London, Boris Johnson, today faced calls to apologise for his "out of touch" comment that his £250,000 earnings for writing a weekly Telegraph column were "chicken feed".
    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2009/jul/14/boris-johnson-telegraph-chicken-feed
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,350
    Cookie said:

    Oof.
    This morning, while reversing into my drive, someone drove into the side of me. No-one hurt. But the other guy seemed unreasonably angry that I was reversing into my drive, and hasn't accepted responsibility.
    I've never been in this situation before. I've been in accidents, but usually responsibility is accepted at the time. This is proving considerably more problematic. Latest issue is that my renewal is due in a week and a half, and the cost of this has just suddenly more than doubled.
    You start doubting yourself in this situation. Was it really my fault? But I took some photos at the time: my back wheels are on the pavement; I'm just about perpendicular to the road and there's a big dent in the driver's door. I can't see how a reasonable person could conclude this was my fault.

    That sucks. However, if he drove into you while you were reversing, his insurers will have a hard time suggesting it was your fault.

    Have you notified the police?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,878
    Redfield this afternoon has Labour 11% ahead on 42% to 31% for the Conservatives, so Truss has plenty of room for a bounce next week

    https://twitter.com/RedfieldWilton/status/1565368898320363520?s=20&t=sAHEccH2YGBFGVdsBnLl9g
  • HYUFD said:

    Not too much though, on that graph Blair and New Labour even won over 65s in 1997 as well as every other age group in the Tories worst defeat since 1832
    That's not the point I'm making though.

    Up to 2015, there's a fairly gentle gradient on the lines- the Conservative share goes up by 10 to 15 percentage points from school leavers to coffin dodgers. The line bobbed up and down from one election to the next, but the Conservatives were competitive with young voters and Labour were competitive with old voters.

    Between 2015 and 2017, something changed. Now the profile is about a 50 percentage point change over the lifespan of man. We know about the Conservative success at picking up older Red Wall voters, but it's already come at the expense of repelling younger voters.

    That's new, and it means that the Conservatives will have to run awfully fast to keep ahead of the Grim Reaper. They have a good record of reinvention, but it ain't going to be easy.
  • Interesting from tonight's Redfield Wilton

    Truss herself was more unknown than known to the public at the start of the leadership contest. While the public has no doubt heard much from her in the last few weeks, they are still yet to see her in action and to see the results of her proposed policies, providing an opening to create a strong first impression.

    Above all, the public has yet to warm up to her opponent, Leader of the Labour Party Keir Starmer. While Labour has led in every single one of our Westminster voting intention polls this year, with our latest poll finding Labour ahead by 11%, approaching the largest lead we have recorded for them, Starmer himself has not once had a solidly positive net approval rating. His three most recent net approval ratings have been: -5%, -6%, and -5%.

    In the early weeks of the leadership contest, without yet having become Prime Minister, Liz Truss was able to establish a narrow lead in head-to-head polling against Keir Starmer for better Prime Minister for the UK. As the contest stretched on, Starmer regained a lead (now at 39% to 35%), but such fluctuations demonstrate how easily the polling picture can improve for the Conservatives under Liz Truss.
  • HYUFD said:

    Redfield this afternoon has Labour 11% ahead on 42% to 31% for the Conservatives, so Truss has plenty of room for a bounce next week

    https://twitter.com/RedfieldWilton/status/1565368898320363520?s=20&t=sAHEccH2YGBFGVdsBnLl9g

    See my next post
  • ydoethur said:

    That sucks. However, if he drove into you while you were reversing, his insurers will have a hard time suggesting it was your fault.

    Have you notified the police?
    Any cctv or ring doorbell cameras in the neighbours who could help ?

    Often police and insurers will enquire if any are available
  • Nigelb said:

    .

    It wasn't the end of art.
    Did it end certain parts of art? I'd guess there are fewer portrait painters than previously.

    When my daughter was younger I used to suggest to her that there were careers in graphic design, etc, if she wanted to pursue the drawing and painting that she enjoyed spending a lot of time with. She demurred and is now at university on a Maths degree, gaining skills that would be useful for creating a machine learning art algorithm.

    Reckon she made a wise choice to ignore her Dad.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,780

    Any cctv or ring doorbell cameras in the neighbours who could help ?

    Often police and insurers will enquire if any are available
    Good thinking Big G - I think my next door neighbour may have one.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    ydoethur said:

    Here is a question the Republicans should be thinking about, but clearly are not:

    Why have they only won the popular vote once since the collapse of the Soviet Union?
    Voter Fraud and/or letting Not Real Americans vote.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,423
    Cookie said:

    Oof.
    This morning, while reversing into my drive, someone drove into the side of me. No-one hurt. But the other guy seemed unreasonably angry that I was reversing into my drive, and hasn't accepted responsibility.
    I've never been in this situation before. I've been in accidents, but usually responsibility is accepted at the time. This is proving considerably more problematic. Latest issue is that my renewal is due in a week and a half, and the cost of this has just suddenly more than doubled.
    You start doubting yourself in this situation. Was it really my fault? But I took some photos at the time: my back wheels are on the pavement; I'm just about perpendicular to the road and there's a big dent in the driver's door. I can't see how a reasonable person could conclude this was my fault.

    The doubt is how the awful grifters of the world get us in this situations - if someone sticks so rigidly even to an absurdity we question ourselves.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,350
    Alistair said:

    Voter Fraud and/or letting Not Real Americans vote.
    You mean, all those white immigrants like George Washington?
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,617
    ydoethur said:

    You mean, all those white immigrants like George Washington?
    Depends whether one thinks Virginia is part of Real America, in his case, doesn't it?
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,780
    ydoethur said:

    That sucks. However, if he drove into you while you were reversing, his insurers will have a hard time suggesting it was your fault.

    Have you notified the police?
    Thanks Doc. I've just seen his solicitor's letter with his version of events which is, frankly, creative. It's shaken me up a bit. I haven't notified the police, no. Probably I should do so.
  • Cookie said:

    Oof.
    This morning, while reversing into my drive, someone drove into the side of me. No-one hurt. But the other guy seemed unreasonably angry that I was reversing into my drive, and hasn't accepted responsibility.
    I've never been in this situation before. I've been in accidents, but usually responsibility is accepted at the time. This is proving considerably more problematic. Latest issue is that my renewal is due in a week and a half, and the cost of this has just suddenly more than doubled.
    You start doubting yourself in this situation. Was it really my fault? But I took some photos at the time: my back wheels are on the pavement; I'm just about perpendicular to the road and there's a big dent in the driver's door. I can't see how a reasonable person could conclude this was my fault.

    It seems to be standard advice from some lawyers or insurers never to admit to liability as by making the process as difficult as possible for the counterparty they increase the chances that they will give up as it's too much hassle.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 13,956

    That's not the point I'm making though.

    Up to 2015, there's a fairly gentle gradient on the lines- the Conservative share goes up by 10 to 15 percentage points from school leavers to coffin dodgers. The line bobbed up and down from one election to the next, but the Conservatives were competitive with young voters and Labour were competitive with old voters.

    Between 2015 and 2017, something changed. Now the profile is about a 50 percentage point change over the lifespan of man. We know about the Conservative success at picking up older Red Wall voters, but it's already come at the expense of repelling younger voters.

    That's new, and it means that the Conservatives will have to run awfully fast to keep ahead of the Grim Reaper. They have a good record of reinvention, but it ain't going to be easy.
    This issue is fascinating as well as troubling. And there is more to draw attention to.

    1) Labour had appealed to the over 65s but have stopped doing so. Why?

    2) The extremes occur in 2017 and 2019. In 2017 the Tories had relatively shafted/alienated the old with their nonsense on social care, and ran the worst campaign ever but still did well with that group. It is impossible to conclude anything except these freak outturns are Brexit and Jezza related.

  • Cookie said:

    Thanks Doc. I've just seen his solicitor's letter with his version of events which is, frankly, creative. It's shaken me up a bit. I haven't notified the police, no. Probably I should do so.
    If you can view the ring camera first it could help you considerably
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    Cookie said:

    Good thinking Big G - I think my next door neighbour may have one.
    You were behaving as the Highway Code tells you to which is helpful

    201
    Do not reverse from a side road into a main road. When using a driveway, reverse in and drive out if you can.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,281
    HYUFD said:

    Redfield this afternoon has Labour 11% ahead on 42% to 31% for the Conservatives, so Truss has plenty of room for a bounce next week

    https://twitter.com/RedfieldWilton/status/1565368898320363520?s=20&t=sAHEccH2YGBFGVdsBnLl9g

    I think the Tories could be well ahead in the polls within a few weeks.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,350
    Cookie said:

    Thanks Doc. I've just seen his solicitor's letter with his version of events which is, frankly, creative. It's shaken me up a bit. I haven't notified the police, no. Probably I should do so.
    If he's involving solicitors I certainly would. Legally I think you have to anyway as it was an accident involving two people on a public road.

    Don't know what @rcs1000 would think but I would be inclined to refer his solicitor to them as well rather than reply directly.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,878
    HYUFD said:

    Redfield this afternoon has Labour 11% ahead on 42% to 31% for the Conservatives, so Truss has plenty of room for a bounce next week

    https://twitter.com/RedfieldWilton/status/1565368898320363520?s=20&t=sAHEccH2YGBFGVdsBnLl9g

    At this moment, which of the following individuals do British voters think would make a better Prime Minister of the United Kingdom? (31 August)

    Starmer vs Sunak

    Starmer 38%
    Sunak 30%

    Truss vs Starmer

    Starmer 39%
    Truss 35%

    Truss vs Sunak

    Truss 37%
    Sunak 30%
    https://twitter.com/RedfieldWilton/status/1565376673947815949?s=20&t=jH3PkL-MR8iGMvHooWJvlQ;

    At this moment, which of the following do 2019 Conservative voters think would be the better Prime Minister for the United Kingdom? (31 August)

    Sunak vs Starmer

    Sunak 55%
    Starmer 22%

    Truss vs Starmer

    Truss 55%
    Starmer 24%

    Truss vs Sunak

    Truss 46%
    Sunak 35%
    https://twitter.com/RedfieldWilton/status/1565376679215865856?s=20&t=jH3PkL-MR8iGMvHooWJvlQ
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,906
    HYUFD said:

    Redfield this afternoon has Labour 11% ahead on 42% to 31% for the Conservatives, so Truss has plenty of room for a bounce next week

    https://twitter.com/RedfieldWilton/status/1565368898320363520?s=20&t=sAHEccH2YGBFGVdsBnLl9g

    You mean plenty of room to bounce and still remain well behind?
  • Jim_MillerJim_Miller Posts: 3,252
    ydoethur said: "Here is a question the Republicans should be thinking about, but clearly are not:

    Why have they only won the popular vote once since the collapse of the Soviet Union?"

    Republicans won the popular vote for the House of Representatives in 2014 and 2016, and in other elections since that collapse: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_United_States_House_of_Representatives_elections

    The total popular vote for the House is not a perfect measure of party strength, since a few seats are uncontested (most of them heavily Democratic), but it is better than presidential elections.

    (Incidentally, I have argued since late in 2016 that Trump was the beneficiary of "reverse coat tails", that he was pulled to victory by more popular Republicans lower down on the balllot in key states.)
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,878

    That's not the point I'm making though.

    Up to 2015, there's a fairly gentle gradient on the lines- the Conservative share goes up by 10 to 15 percentage points from school leavers to coffin dodgers. The line bobbed up and down from one election to the next, but the Conservatives were competitive with young voters and Labour were competitive with old voters.

    Between 2015 and 2017, something changed. Now the profile is about a 50 percentage point change over the lifespan of man. We know about the Conservative success at picking up older Red Wall voters, but it's already come at the expense of repelling younger voters.

    That's new, and it means that the Conservatives will have to run awfully fast to keep ahead of the Grim Reaper. They have a good record of reinvention, but it ain't going to be easy.
    If you actually look at the details the Conservatives won significantly more voteshare in 2019 in every age group apart from under 25s than they did in 1997 and 2001.

    So that does not really hold and the Tories almost never win under 25s anyway, the last time they did was 1983
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,131
    Leon said:

    Lots of experts are making your analogy. This is a revolution as big as the advent of photography and then film in visual art, in the 19th century

    I suspect it is even bigger than that

    For a start, it will be ALL art, literature included
    Travel hacks and airport fiction writers probably the most at risk.

    I was recently at an AI/machine learning meeting on health care. It will be great for sense checking things, and provides general physicians with capabilities of niche specialists in those areas, particularly in data extraction. It cannot at present exceed its human instructors.

    Much more interesting will be when it can do alien domains of intelligence, rather than just our narrow view of it. This recent book on the forms of non human intelligence is on my reading list.

    Are We Smart Enough to Know How Smart Animals Are?: Frans de Waal https://amzn.eu/d/eecDEx5


  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    Cookie said:

    Thanks Doc. I've just seen his solicitor's letter with his version of events which is, frankly, creative. It's shaken me up a bit. I haven't notified the police, no. Probably I should do so.
    Complete wideboy if he has got a solicitors letter to you on the same day

    Just out of interest if you've got his reg you can find out online if he is taxed and MOTed up to date and ask whether he is insured

    https://www.askmid.com/askmidenquiry.aspx
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,350

    ydoethur said: "Here is a question the Republicans should be thinking about, but clearly are not:

    Why have they only won the popular vote once since the collapse of the Soviet Union?"

    Republicans won the popular vote for the House of Representatives in 2014 and 2016, and in other elections since that collapse: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_United_States_House_of_Representatives_elections

    The total popular vote for the House is not a perfect measure of party strength, since a few seats are uncontested (most of them heavily Democratic), but it is better than presidential elections.

    (Incidentally, I have argued since late in 2016 that Trump was the beneficiary of "reverse coat tails", that he was pulled to victory by more popular Republicans lower down on the balllot in key states.)

    True, O Cophetua.

    However, the Presidency is sexier in many important respects. And the fact is, since 1991 they have won the popular vote in Presidential elections only in 2004 - by a wafer-thin margin, boasting an incumbent President against a gaffe-prone challenger.
  • algarkirk said:

    This issue is fascinating as well as troubling. And there is more to draw attention to.

    1) Labour had appealed to the over 65s but have stopped doing so. Why?

    2) The extremes occur in 2017 and 2019. In 2017 the Tories had relatively shafted/alienated the old with their nonsense on social care, and ran the worst campaign ever but still did well with that group. It is impossible to conclude anything except these freak outturns are Brexit and Jezza related.

    The shift had started between 2010-15. At the 2015GE the propensity to vote Tory with age was almost twice as strong as it had been in any previous election. So that would suggest it was post-financial crash austerity that created the divide, and Brexit only reinforced it.
  • Chris said:

    You mean plenty of room to bounce and still remain well behind?
    Labour need to be careful of complacency

    If Truss does produce a popular budget and at last there is a government taking on labour both in the media and the dispatch box it is a brave person who can predict the outcome
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670

    ydoethur said: "Here is a question the Republicans should be thinking about, but clearly are not:

    Why have they only won the popular vote once since the collapse of the Soviet Union?"

    Republicans won the popular vote for the House of Representatives in 2014 and 2016, and in other elections since that collapse: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_United_States_House_of_Representatives_elections

    The total popular vote for the House is not a perfect measure of party strength, since a few seats are uncontested (most of them heavily Democratic), but it is better than presidential elections.

    (Incidentally, I have argued since late in 2016 that Trump was the beneficiary of "reverse coat tails", that he was pulled to victory by more popular Republicans lower down on the balllot in key states.)

    There a lot of ways of lookomg at 2016 but Clinton toxicity is my leading cause.

    @Pulpstar favourite stat is the number of voters in Michigan in heavily Democratic area who voted for down ticket races but did not put in a Presidential vote.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 13,956

    It seems to be standard advice from some lawyers or insurers never to admit to liability as by making the process as difficult as possible for the counterparty they increase the chances that they will give up as it's too much hassle.
    Any lawyer or insurer who is asked the general question: "Should I ever admit legal liability for anything involving the law of tort (BTW this case is the tort of negligence) on the spot before taking advice from a lawyer or insurer" will answer: No.

    No other answer is practical.

  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,585
    Foxy said:

    Travel hacks and airport fiction writers probably the most at risk.

    I was recently at an AI/machine learning meeting on health care. It will be great for sense checking things, and provides general physicians with capabilities of niche specialists in those areas, particularly in data extraction. It cannot at present exceed its human instructors.

    Much more interesting will be when it can do alien domains of intelligence, rather than just our narrow view of it. This recent book on the forms of non human intelligence is on my reading list.

    Are We Smart Enough to Know How Smart Animals Are?: Frans de Waal https://amzn.eu/d/eecDEx5


    Actually, travel hacks will be some of the last. Because AI can't travel, drink free wine, see a view, have chats with Russians in Georgia, etc

    Thriller writers are much more at risk. An AI will master that algorithm within the decade, probs

    A friend of mine is reading that same book and telling me all about clever octopuses. Yes I agree we will discover NEW ways of thinking
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