Yet again the Oxford stranglehold on No.10 continues – politicalbetting.com
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Average height in EPL I think is 6ft 3. It is rather a position where height, or rather wing spam, is a significant help.dixiedean said:
That's pretty short.DavidL said:
My niece is about to go to the US on a scholarship. She plays as a goal keeper for the Hearts youth team and has been on the periphery of the Scotland squad, again at youth level. She is very fit but only about 5ft 6. When you see her in the goal it looks huge.kle4 said:
Every play in a full sized goal as a child/teenager? It's a miserable experience I can tell you, most unfair.FrancisUrquhart said:
Well that is a weakness in women's football. Many of the goalies aren't that large.turbotubbs said:
Keeper too far to her left... and too small.FrancisUrquhart said:Great goal.
I presume as with other sports, if you are a women who is far far taller than the average there are lots of other sports where this advantage can be utilised and which pay more money.
However. Jordan Pickford is 6 1. It isn't all about height. Though it helps.0 -
England v Spain gone to extra time. A cracker of a game. The standard of the women’s game is rising very, very quickly. A real nail-biting match with superb players.1
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You are also missing starlink - which has made a fortune from fixing the last mile issue for the FCC that had a $16bn kitty to spend on getting all the US connected to the internet.JosiasJessop said:
I've made similar points many times in the past, including on the various SpaceX subreddits. Mankind has only spent a few weeks total outside the van Allen belts during the Apollo missions. Musk is talking about months and years. Then there are the problems with consumables such as air and water: even with recycling, the ISS requires regular reprovisioning with water (the O2 is split from the water).Nigelb said:
There’s a lot more than zero doubt.JosiasJessop said:
It's far too uncertain to even posit making a bet. But it took less than ten years to go from no manned flight to menIshmaelZ said:
Happy to bet £250 evens no human to walk on Mars by 20 July 2042JosiasJessop said:ydoethur said:
Agreed. It will be more like 30 and 50.JosiasJessop said:53 years ago today, mankind first walked on the Moon.
It will not be 10 years before the next man or woman walks on the moon.
And it will not be 20 years before someone takes a first step on Mars.
Mars is very uncertain, even if Loony Musk said in 2018 that there would be a base on Mars by 2028 (hint: he's wrong.) But if he can maintain funding and not have to waste all his money buying Twitter for way over its value, then 20 years, or 9 synods, would be doable. In fact, I reckon 9 years of 4 synods may be possible. The people may not get back, though ...
As for the Moon: the US's Artemis program is due to land humans back on the Moon in 2025. If they fail, China is considering one by 2027; if not, the early 2030s.
stepping on the Moon, from a much smaller tech base and experience level (albeit the Apollo program had been underway in NASA/NACA for a couple of years before that).
I have zero doubt that humans could land safely on Mars in ten years. Technically, it can be done. It therefore becomes a matter of cost, and therefore politics. Unless someone like Musk can throw money at it (latest figures say his Mars rocket has cost $10 billion already), then it becomes a political question.
And that's where the uncertainty comes in. Will an individual such as Musk, or a country like China or the USA, see the prestige of being first on Mars being worth the cost?
We could easily get people on Mars (and back) by 2042. What's stopping us is the finance - and Musk is trying to short-circuit that issue.
I’ve little doubt landing a human on Mars would be possible quite soon, but doing so safely is quite another matter.
For example, how many of these risks have fully been addressed ?
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41526-020-00124-6
Fans say that Starship is so big you'll be able to carry enough consumables. Whilst that may be true, it is still mass that needs lifting to orbit and launching to Mars, and mass that could be used for something else. Then there's the problem with micrometeroids: the JWST has already been hit by one.
But given enough money and redundancy, we could get around them. The more mass we can send, the easier most problems become to solve.0 -
Unfortunately not resembling the Pro-European views of their two leaders in the Seventies.dixiedean said:
Well. Indeed they do.BartholomewRoberts said:
People evolve, those who don't are rather creepy and untrustworthy - like Corbyn still being stuck with the same views he had in the 1970s.dixiedean said:
The irony being Sunak was the hardcore Brexiter Thatcherite.Alistair said:Sunak is going to lose and a whole section of the commentariat will be completely bemused despite him consistently polling miles behind everyone else in the leadership contents
Whilst Truss was the Remainer Lib Dem.
We have always been at War with Eastasia.
However the Tories appear to be searching for the one most resembling their leader in the Seventies.0 -
Belated comment, but I am most disappointed Boris signed off with hasta la vista rather than some ancient greek or latin phrase. It's like he has no idea of his own brand. I mean, it was just crying out for a sic transit gloria mundi or honestas ante honeres.2
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It's the coalition status that kills it. If the left could have managed a big tent coalition, the polls would have been about 48/44 and it looked like game on. But M5S have made themselves uncoalitionable in the last fortnight, so the likely result now looks more like 48/35 and MPR showing a majority of 80 on a 400 seat lower house (the upper house will very much mirror) for the right. The way that coalition works the largest party within it would get the PM role, and there's little doubt Meloni wins that.HYUFD said:
And currently leading the polls is the hard right Brothers of Italy's Giorgia Meloni who makes Liz Truss look wetPro_Rata said:Well, the end game of the Italian parliament looks totally unavoidable now, September election it will be. Predicting the end of an Italian government is hardly high in brownie points, but pleased to have read the mechanics well over the last year with my basic understanding.
Perhaps I need to get out of the bubble a bit and simplify my understanding of UK politics where my record is more mixed!
In terms of how Italian governments are normally counted, worth noting that the UK is soon to be on its 6th administration since June 2016 (Cameron 2, May 1/2, Johnson 1/2, Sunak or Truss 1)). Italy after GE would still edge it with 6 since December 2016 (Renzi, Gentiloni. Conte 1/2, Draghi, ?Meloni?)
The left's electoral approach?
1. Make sure everyone else is in the tent, the leftists, PD, and centrists - every last Draghi loyalist.
2. See if Draghi will be your PM candidate, perhaps include a Lista Draghi in your coalition (though high chance he will.not be up for this)
3. Encourage M5S implosion. Their abstentions are not a sign of a happy party. Hope some votes come your way. (Has to be said that 10% may be their hardcore floor).
4. Be clear and united. If there's a chance of a good campaign and a closer result, a 47/41 say, do everything in your power to get there.
5. The prize is to reduce that majority and ensure Forza hold the balance of power.
6. Maximise any discomfort in the right, both on Forza's place in government and on splittists (in this parliament now, around 25% represent different parties than those they were elected under!)
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Thatcher was elected Leader of the Opposition to a failing Labour government however, not 12 years into a Tory governmentdixiedean said:
Well. Indeed they do.BartholomewRoberts said:
People evolve, those who don't are rather creepy and untrustworthy - like Corbyn still being stuck with the same views he had in the 1970s.dixiedean said:
The irony being Sunak was the hardcore Brexiter Thatcherite.Alistair said:Sunak is going to lose and a whole section of the commentariat will be completely bemused despite him consistently polling miles behind everyone else in the leadership contents
Whilst Truss was the Remainer Lib Dem.
We have always been at War with Eastasia.
However the Tories appear to be searching for the one most resembling their leader in the Seventies.0 -
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FrancisUrquhart said:
Average WSL salary is £30k a year. If you are a fit, athletic, coordinated teenage girl standing 6ft, there are a host of sports where your height will be a huge advantage and which you earn a lot more than £30k a year.DavidL said:
My niece is about to go to the US on a scholarship. She plays as a goal keeper for the Hearts youth team and has been on the periphery of the Scotland squad, again at youth level. She is very fit but only about 5ft 6. When you see her in the goal it looks huge.kle4 said:
Every play in a full sized goal as a child/teenager? It's a miserable experience I can tell you, most unfair.FrancisUrquhart said:
Well that is a weakness in women's football. Many of the goalies aren't that large.turbotubbs said:
Keeper too far to her left... and too small.FrancisUrquhart said:Great goal.
I presume as with other sports, if you are a women who is far far taller than the average there are lots of other sports where this advantage can be utilised and which pay more money.
The average male goalie in pro football is
well over 6ft in order to fill the goal.
England sitting a bit deep.northern_monkey said:England v Spain gone to extra time. A cracker of a game.
The standard of the women’s game is rising very, very quickly. A real nail-biting match
with superb players.0 -
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It is often more attractive game to watch.northern_monkey said:England v Spain gone to extra time. A cracker of a game. The standard of the women’s game is rising very, very quickly. A real nail-biting match with superb players.
Men's international football now is such that basically every country of any note is now extremely well drilled and able to "park the bus" if nothing else. And because literally every kick by every player in every league with more than 2 people watching, all the players are analysed within an inch of their life.0 -
Forza will likely hold the balance of power but in the end probably go with Meloni who is the change candidate, leading the only major party which has been in opposition not part of this collapsing governmentPro_Rata said:
It's the coalition status that kills it. If the left could have managed a big tent coalition, the polls would have been about 48/44 and it looked like game on. But M5S have made themselves uncoalitionable in the last fortnight, so the likely result now looks more like 48/35 and MPR showing a majority of 80 on a 400 seat lower house (the upper house will very much mirror) for the right. The way that coalition works the largest party within it would get the PM role, and there's little doubt Meloni wins that.HYUFD said:
And currently leading the polls is the hard right Brothers of Italy's Giorgia Meloni who makes Liz Truss look wetPro_Rata said:Well, the end game of the Italian parliament looks totally unavoidable now, September election it will be. Predicting the end of an Italian government is hardly high in brownie points, but pleased to have read the mechanics well over the last year with my basic understanding.
Perhaps I need to get out of the bubble a bit and simplify my understanding of UK politics where my record is more mixed!
In terms of how Italian governments are normally counted, worth noting that the UK is soon to be on its 6th administration since June 2016 (Cameron 2, May 1/2, Johnson 1/2, Sunak or Truss 1)). Italy after GE would still edge it with 6 since December 2016 (Renzi, Gentiloni. Conte 1/2, Draghi, ?Meloni?)
The left's electoral approach?
1. Make sure everyone else is in the tent, the leftists, PD, and centrists - every last Draghi loyalist.
2. See if Draghi will be your PM candidate, perhaps include a Lista Draghi in your coalition (though high chance he will.not be up for this)
3. Encourage M5S implosion. Their abstentions are not a sign of a happy party. Hope some votes come your way. (Has to be said that 10% may be their hardcore floor).
4. Be clear and united. If there's a chance of a good campaign and a closer result, a 47/41 say, do everything in your power to get there.
5. The prize is to reduce that majority and ensure Forza hold the balance of power.
6. Maximise any discomfort in the right, both on Forza's place in government and on splittists (in this parliament now, around 25% represent different parties than those they were elected under!)0 -
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Indeed. But it's a trade off between size and agility. It's the combination of those. You need to be able to get down as well. It's not the NBA. There aren't any 7 foot goalies I know of.FrancisUrquhart said:
Average height in EPL I think is 6ft 3. It is rather a position where height, or rather wing spam, is a significant help.dixiedean said:
That's pretty short.DavidL said:
My niece is about to go to the US on a scholarship. She plays as a goal keeper for the Hearts youth team and has been on the periphery of the Scotland squad, again at youth level. She is very fit but only about 5ft 6. When you see her in the goal it looks huge.kle4 said:
Every play in a full sized goal as a child/teenager? It's a miserable experience I can tell you, most unfair.FrancisUrquhart said:
Well that is a weakness in women's football. Many of the goalies aren't that large.turbotubbs said:
Keeper too far to her left... and too small.FrancisUrquhart said:Great goal.
I presume as with other sports, if you are a women who is far far taller than the average there are lots of other sports where this advantage can be utilised and which pay more money.
However. Jordan Pickford is 6 1. It isn't all about height. Though it helps.0 -
COVID summary
- Hospital admissions are DOWN.
- MV beds are FLAT
- In hospital is FLAT
- Deaths are UP. But we may be seeing a fall soon.
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Musk seems to be an almighty bellend, but he does seem to have vision and drive progress in certain fields in a meaningful way, and which look like they will be very useful. As a casual fan of space stuff I can think of worse things for super rich nerds to do than use their wealth to advance rocket technology and related works, despite the criticism of them doing so from folks up to our dear Prince William.
Contarily, and probably unfairly, because I don't personally use Facebook, and though I use Google it seems limited in its benefits beyond what it already does, I dislike those companies and their ethos more.0 -
Sure. There definitely been quite a few very very tall keepers. But it is how athletic your are,....its pretty clear there are lots of 6f 3/4/5/6 individuals who met their criteria and obvious they are filling a hell of a lot more of the goal than the lassie who is a foot shorter.dixiedean said:
Indeed. But it's a trade off between size and agility. It's the combination of those. You need to be able to get down as well. It's not the NBA. There aren't any 7 foot goalies I know of.FrancisUrquhart said:
Average height in EPL I think is 6ft 3. It is rather a position where height, or rather wing spam, is a significant help.dixiedean said:
That's pretty short.DavidL said:
My niece is about to go to the US on a scholarship. She plays as a goal keeper for the Hearts youth team and has been on the periphery of the Scotland squad, again at youth level. She is very fit but only about 5ft 6. When you see her in the goal it looks huge.kle4 said:
Every play in a full sized goal as a child/teenager? It's a miserable experience I can tell you, most unfair.FrancisUrquhart said:
Well that is a weakness in women's football. Many of the goalies aren't that large.turbotubbs said:
Keeper too far to her left... and too small.FrancisUrquhart said:Great goal.
I presume as with other sports, if you are a women who is far far taller than the average there are lots of other sports where this advantage can be utilised and which pay more money.
However. Jordan Pickford is 6 1. It isn't all about height. Though it helps.
In terms of very tall players, I don't think Peter Crouch ever got the credit for actually how good his touch was.1 -
Quite so. I can understand people not thinking Sunak is the answer, but I have been surprised at a number simply giving up on the idea of winning the next election and so concluding might as well pick someone who will make them happier for 2 years (those who think she will do better than expected is at least more explicable, even if people disagree with that conclusion).HYUFD said:
Thatcher was elected Leader of the Opposition to a failing Labour government however, not 12 years into a Tory governmentdixiedean said:
Well. Indeed they do.BartholomewRoberts said:
People evolve, those who don't are rather creepy and untrustworthy - like Corbyn still being stuck with the same views he had in the 1970s.dixiedean said:
The irony being Sunak was the hardcore Brexiter Thatcherite.Alistair said:Sunak is going to lose and a whole section of the commentariat will be completely bemused despite him consistently polling miles behind everyone else in the leadership contents
Whilst Truss was the Remainer Lib Dem.
We have always been at War with Eastasia.
However the Tories appear to be searching for the one most resembling their leader in the Seventies.2 -
"I'll be back" would have been more fun.kle4 said:Belated comment, but I am most disappointed Boris signed off with hasta la vista rather than some ancient greek or latin phrase. It's like he has no idea of his own brand. I mean, it was just crying out for a sic transit gloria mundi or honestas ante honeres.
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It's Times vs Mail.
Fascinating summer coming up.0 -
FWIW, Musk appears to be leading Jeff Bezos in the space race -- and that isn't because Bezos lacks cash.
Both men, by the way, have said publicly taht they were inspired by Robert Heinlein's "The Man Who Sold the Moon".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Man_Who_Sold_the_Moon (It's sitll a fun read.)0 -
Well yes. She also wasn't overwhelmingly elected on a wave of enthusiasm either. More a time for a change.HYUFD said:
Thatcher was elected Leader of the Opposition to a failing Labour government however, not 12 years into a Tory governmentdixiedean said:
Well. Indeed they do.BartholomewRoberts said:
People evolve, those who don't are rather creepy and untrustworthy - like Corbyn still being stuck with the same views he had in the 1970s.dixiedean said:
The irony being Sunak was the hardcore Brexiter Thatcherite.Alistair said:Sunak is going to lose and a whole section of the commentariat will be completely bemused despite him consistently polling miles behind everyone else in the leadership contents
Whilst Truss was the Remainer Lib Dem.
We have always been at War with Eastasia.
However the Tories appear to be searching for the one most resembling their leader in the Seventies.0 -
Is this back by popular request, Malmesbury, or is it you wanting to resurrect glory days?Malmesbury said:COVID summary
- Hospital admissions are DOWN.
- MV beds are FLAT
- In hospital is FLAT
- Deaths are UP. But we may be seeing a fall soon.1 -
We all know you are a massive fan ;-)kinabalu said:
Is this back by popular request, Malmesbury, or is it you wanting to resurrect glory days?Malmesbury said:COVID summary
- Hospital admissions are DOWN.
- MV beds are FLAT
- In hospital is FLAT
- Deaths are UP. But we may be seeing a fall soon.1 -
Totting up across various bets across a number of bookies it looks good.
Sunak +£150
Truss +£650
Nice. I just have to resist temptation to mess with it.3 -
I can but conclude he wanted people to think of that without saying it directly. He doesn't come across like a Arnie movie fan.No_Offence_Alan said:
"I'll be back" would have been more fun.kle4 said:Belated comment, but I am most disappointed Boris signed off with hasta la vista rather than some ancient greek or latin phrase. It's like he has no idea of his own brand. I mean, it was just crying out for a sic transit gloria mundi or honestas ante honeres.
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Someone asked the other day.kinabalu said:
Is this back by popular request, Malmesbury, or is it you wanting to resurrect glory days?Malmesbury said:COVID summary
- Hospital admissions are DOWN.
- MV beds are FLAT
- In hospital is FLAT
- Deaths are UP. But we may be seeing a fall soon.
Since they release the stats on Wednesdays, now, I thought why not.
The fall in hospital admissions is some good news....1 -
Yes, my Trust is down to 140ish from 200 a few weeks back.Malmesbury said:
Someone asked the other day.kinabalu said:
Is this back by popular request, Malmesbury, or is it you wanting to resurrect glory days?Malmesbury said:COVID summary
- Hospital admissions are DOWN.
- MV beds are FLAT
- In hospital is FLAT
- Deaths are UP. But we may be seeing a fall soon.
Since they release the stats on Wednesdays, now, I thought why not.
The fall in hospital admissions is some good news....
The new version is pretty rotten to have though, my colleagues who caught it have all been pretty rough for a week.0 -
Well done England. They will play few if any tougher opponents than Spain. Like the cricket the improvement in the women’s game is astonishing.2
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What is hilarious is that Musk seems to have read the bit about when the rocket project stalls because of bureaucracy in the project. This is quoted, in depth, in the legendary Mythical Man Month, incidentally.Jim_Miller said:FWIW, Musk appears to be leading Jeff Bezos in the space race -- and that isn't because Bezos lacks cash.
Both men, by the way, have said publicly taht they were inspired by Robert Heinlein's "The Man Who Sold the Moon".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Man_Who_Sold_the_Moon (It's sitll a fun read.)
Bezos has created the literal image of it - empty factories, at a standstill, because of a lack of flow of designs and materials.0 -
"As a major study overturns decades of received wisdom that depression is caused by a lack of serotonin in the brain, the verdict of science is now clear - our unhealthy obsession with antidepressants must end
Peter Hitchens"
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-11033359/PETER-HITCHENS-unhealthy-obsession-antidepressants-end.html0 -
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Across my team of 5 I've lost about a person month worth time due to Covid illness in the last month.Foxy said:
Yes, my Trust is down to 140ish from 200 a few weeks back.Malmesbury said:
Someone asked the other day.kinabalu said:
Is this back by popular request, Malmesbury, or is it you wanting to resurrect glory days?Malmesbury said:COVID summary
- Hospital admissions are DOWN.
- MV beds are FLAT
- In hospital is FLAT
- Deaths are UP. But we may be seeing a fall soon.
Since they release the stats on Wednesdays, now, I thought why not.
The fall in hospital admissions is some good news....
The new version is pretty rotten to have though, my colleagues who caught it have all been pretty rough for a week.0 -
That was the inference, I think. In his head there's a world where he's a still adored titan brought down temporarily by pygmies.No_Offence_Alan said:
"I'll be back" would have been more fun.kle4 said:Belated comment, but I am most disappointed Boris signed off with hasta la vista rather than some ancient greek or latin phrase. It's like he has no idea of his own brand. I mean, it was just crying out for a sic transit gloria mundi or honestas ante honeres.
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He seems to think that patients with depression just need to pull themselves together, perhaps by going for a walk in the country.Andy_JS said:"As a major study overturns decades of received wisdom that depression is caused by a lack of serotonin in the brain, the verdict of science is now clear - our unhealthy obsession with antidepressants must end
Peter Hitchens"
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-11033359/PETER-HITCHENS-unhealthy-obsession-antidepressants-end.html
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Ok fair enough. It is the persistent type, isn't it.Malmesbury said:
Someone asked the other day.kinabalu said:
Is this back by popular request, Malmesbury, or is it you wanting to resurrect glory days?Malmesbury said:COVID summary
- Hospital admissions are DOWN.
- MV beds are FLAT
- In hospital is FLAT
- Deaths are UP. But we may be seeing a fall soon.
Since they release the stats on Wednesdays, now, I thought why not.
The fall in hospital admissions is some good news....0 -
Will the footage of Liz Truss as a young Lib Dem, frighten the horses?
https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/1549871562131660800
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It's a bit more complex than that.Andy_JS said:"As a major study overturns decades of received wisdom that depression is caused by a lack of serotonin in the brain, the verdict of science is now clear - our unhealthy obsession with antidepressants must end
Peter Hitchens"
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-11033359/PETER-HITCHENS-unhealthy-obsession-antidepressants-end.html
A generic review of the lesser Hitchens I know.1 -
Well, I've just heard a delicious piece of gossip about La Truss which will surprise no-one on here. From someone in government. Cannot say more for obvious reasons.
Husband is voting for Sunak on the grounds that he is a grown up and Truss is mad.0 -
Over 10% of Americans are taking SSRIs. That's surely evidence of a social problem rather than a medical problem.Foxy said:
He seems to think that patients with depression just need to pull themselves together, perhaps by going for a walk in the country.Andy_JS said:"As a major study overturns decades of received wisdom that depression is caused by a lack of serotonin in the brain, the verdict of science is now clear - our unhealthy obsession with antidepressants must end
Peter Hitchens"
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-11033359/PETER-HITCHENS-unhealthy-obsession-antidepressants-end.html0 -
I agree with the reply that Truss appears to have been a better public speaker back then. What happened?!dr_spyn said:Will the footage of Liz Truss as a young Lib Dem, frighten the horses?
https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/15498715621316608001 -
Does it involve Thatcher play?Cyclefree said:Well, I've just heard a delicious piece of gossip about La Truss which will surprise no-one on here. From someone in government. Cannot say more for obvious reasons.
Husband is voting for Sunak on the grounds that he is a grown up and Truss is mad.0 -
Hitchens swears by a stiff drink and a stiff lip, I would imagine.Andy_JS said:"As a major study overturns decades of received wisdom that depression is caused by a lack of serotonin in the brain, the verdict of science is now clear - our unhealthy obsession with antidepressants must end
Peter Hitchens"
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-11033359/PETER-HITCHENS-unhealthy-obsession-antidepressants-end.html0 -
Empiricism is better than rationalism. Clinical trials show they're effective in enough cases, no matter the objective cause(s) of depression(s).Andy_JS said:"As a major study overturns decades of received wisdom that depression is caused by a lack of serotonin in the brain, the verdict of science is now clear - our unhealthy obsession with antidepressants must end
Peter Hitchens"
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-11033359/PETER-HITCHENS-unhealthy-obsession-antidepressants-end.html1 -
Or a problem with the US healthcare system, more likely.williamglenn said:
Over 10% of Americans are taking SSRIs. That's surely evidence of a social problem rather than a medical problem.Foxy said:
He seems to think that patients with depression just need to pull themselves together, perhaps by going for a walk in the country.Andy_JS said:"As a major study overturns decades of received wisdom that depression is caused by a lack of serotonin in the brain, the verdict of science is now clear - our unhealthy obsession with antidepressants must end
Peter Hitchens"
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-11033359/PETER-HITCHENS-unhealthy-obsession-antidepressants-end.html0 -
Big fans are always useful....FrancisUrquhart said:
We all know you are a massive fan ;-)kinabalu said:
Is this back by popular request, Malmesbury, or is it you wanting to resurrect glory days?Malmesbury said:COVID summary
- Hospital admissions are DOWN.
- MV beds are FLAT
- In hospital is FLAT
- Deaths are UP. But we may be seeing a fall soon.
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She's ready for it.dr_spyn said:Will the footage of Liz Truss as a young Lib Dem, frighten the horses?
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Looks like the thing I had going during the heat wave to keep me cool. Bloke from Amazon wasn't best pleased when he delivered I have to say.Malmesbury said:
Big fans are always useful....FrancisUrquhart said:
We all know you are a massive fan ;-)kinabalu said:
Is this back by popular request, Malmesbury, or is it you wanting to resurrect glory days?Malmesbury said:COVID summary
- Hospital admissions are DOWN.
- MV beds are FLAT
- In hospital is FLAT
- Deaths are UP. But we may be seeing a fall soon.4 -
I think I heard the same thing @Cyclefree and it obviously going around. Does it involve a certain Mr Field?Cyclefree said:Well, I've just heard a delicious piece of gossip about La Truss which will surprise no-one on here. From someone in government. Cannot say more for obvious reasons.
Husband is voting for Sunak on the grounds that he is a grown up and Truss is mad.0 -
Any link to the actual clip?dr_spyn said:Will the footage of Liz Truss as a young Lib Dem, frighten the horses?
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I heard of multiple instances, if we're talking about the same thing.MrEd said:
I think I heard the same thing @Cyclefree and it obviously going around. Does it involve a certain Mr Field?Cyclefree said:Well, I've just heard a delicious piece of gossip about La Truss which will surprise no-one on here. From someone in government. Cannot say more for obvious reasons.
Husband is voting for Sunak on the grounds that he is a grown up and Truss is mad.0 -
In the most surprising story I've come across today, apparently Count Binface has a book coming out later this year, and its over 250 pages if Amazon is to be believed.
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Estimated 17% of adults in UK.williamglenn said:
Over 10% of Americans are taking SSRIs. That's surely evidence of a social problem rather than a medical problem.Foxy said:
He seems to think that patients with depression just need to pull themselves together, perhaps by going for a walk in the country.Andy_JS said:"As a major study overturns decades of received wisdom that depression is caused by a lack of serotonin in the brain, the verdict of science is now clear - our unhealthy obsession with antidepressants must end
Peter Hitchens"
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-11033359/PETER-HITCHENS-unhealthy-obsession-antidepressants-end.html0 -
Some years ago, I noticed and commented on the fact that very often in American movies, the day seems to start with people swallowing a bunch of pills. My flatmate at the time said that he'd noticed the same thing. Fit, healthy people get up, and swallow some pills....bondegezou said:
Or a problem with the US healthcare system, more likely.williamglenn said:
Over 10% of Americans are taking SSRIs. That's surely evidence of a social problem rather than a medical problem.Foxy said:
He seems to think that patients with depression just need to pull themselves together, perhaps by going for a walk in the country.Andy_JS said:"As a major study overturns decades of received wisdom that depression is caused by a lack of serotonin in the brain, the verdict of science is now clear - our unhealthy obsession with antidepressants must end
Peter Hitchens"
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-11033359/PETER-HITCHENS-unhealthy-obsession-antidepressants-end.html0 -
The neighbours must have beenFrancisUrquhart said:
Looks like the thing I had going during the heat wave to keep me cool. Bloke from Amazon wasn't best pleased when he delivered I have to say.Malmesbury said:
Big fans are always useful....FrancisUrquhart said:
We all know you are a massive fan ;-)kinabalu said:
Is this back by popular request, Malmesbury, or is it you wanting to resurrect glory days?Malmesbury said:COVID summary
- Hospital admissions are DOWN.
- MV beds are FLAT
- In hospital is FLAT
- Deaths are UP. But we may be seeing a fall soon.
- Impressed
- Terrified
- Deafened3 -
I wonder if Boris would fancy a shot at Italian politics?Pro_Rata said:Well, the end game of the Italian parliament looks totally unavoidable now, September election it will be. Predicting the end of an Italian government is hardly high in brownie points, but pleased to have read the mechanics well over the last year with my basic understanding.
Perhaps I need to get out of the bubble a bit and simplify my understanding of UK politics where my record is more mixed!
In terms of how Italian governments are normally counted, worth noting that the UK is soon to be on its 6th administration since June 2016 (Cameron 2, May 1/2, Johnson 1/2, Sunak or Truss 1)). Italy after GE would still edge it with 6 since December 2016 (Renzi, Gentiloni. Conte 1/2, Draghi, ?Meloni?)0 -
That's depressing.dixiedean said:
Estimated 17% of adults in UK.williamglenn said:
Over 10% of Americans are taking SSRIs. That's surely evidence of a social problem rather than a medical problem.Foxy said:
He seems to think that patients with depression just need to pull themselves together, perhaps by going for a walk in the country.Andy_JS said:"As a major study overturns decades of received wisdom that depression is caused by a lack of serotonin in the brain, the verdict of science is now clear - our unhealthy obsession with antidepressants must end
Peter Hitchens"
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-11033359/PETER-HITCHENS-unhealthy-obsession-antidepressants-end.html1 -
https://www.statnews.com/2019/04/02/overprescribed-americas-other-drug-problem/Malmesbury said:
Some years ago, I noticed and commented on the fact that very often in American movies, the day seems to start with people swallowing a bunch of pills. My flatmate at the time said that he'd noticed the same thing. Fit, healthy people get up, and swallow some pills....bondegezou said:
Or a problem with the US healthcare system, more likely.williamglenn said:
Over 10% of Americans are taking SSRIs. That's surely evidence of a social problem rather than a medical problem.Foxy said:
He seems to think that patients with depression just need to pull themselves together, perhaps by going for a walk in the country.Andy_JS said:"As a major study overturns decades of received wisdom that depression is caused by a lack of serotonin in the brain, the verdict of science is now clear - our unhealthy obsession with antidepressants must end
Peter Hitchens"
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-11033359/PETER-HITCHENS-unhealthy-obsession-antidepressants-end.html0 -
Including myself as of last week.dixiedean said:
Estimated 17% of adults in UK.williamglenn said:
Over 10% of Americans are taking SSRIs. That's surely evidence of a social problem rather than a medical problem.Foxy said:
He seems to think that patients with depression just need to pull themselves together, perhaps by going for a walk in the country.Andy_JS said:"As a major study overturns decades of received wisdom that depression is caused by a lack of serotonin in the brain, the verdict of science is now clear - our unhealthy obsession with antidepressants must end
Peter Hitchens"
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-11033359/PETER-HITCHENS-unhealthy-obsession-antidepressants-end.html0 -
And they've just released the version for commercial shipping usage. Which works out (despite the hefty price) as an order of magnitude better service than current providers, for less money.eek said:
You are also missing starlink - which has made a fortune from fixing the last mile issue for the FCC that had a $16bn kitty to spend on getting all the US connected to the internet.JosiasJessop said:
I've made similar points many times in the past, including on the various SpaceX subreddits. Mankind has only spent a few weeks total outside the van Allen belts during the Apollo missions. Musk is talking about months and years. Then there are the problems with consumables such as air and water: even with recycling, the ISS requires regular reprovisioning with water (the O2 is split from the water).Nigelb said:
There’s a lot more than zero doubt.JosiasJessop said:
It's far too uncertain to even posit making a bet. But it took less than ten years to go from no manned flight to menIshmaelZ said:
Happy to bet £250 evens no human to walk on Mars by 20 July 2042JosiasJessop said:ydoethur said:
Agreed. It will be more like 30 and 50.JosiasJessop said:53 years ago today, mankind first walked on the Moon.
It will not be 10 years before the next man or woman walks on the moon.
And it will not be 20 years before someone takes a first step on Mars.
Mars is very uncertain, even if Loony Musk said in 2018 that there would be a base on Mars by 2028 (hint: he's wrong.) But if he can maintain funding and not have to waste all his money buying Twitter for way over its value, then 20 years, or 9 synods, would be doable. In fact, I reckon 9 years of 4 synods may be possible. The people may not get back, though ...
As for the Moon: the US's Artemis program is due to land humans back on the Moon in 2025. If they fail, China is considering one by 2027; if not, the early 2030s.
stepping on the Moon, from a much smaller tech base and experience level (albeit the Apollo program had been underway in NASA/NACA for a couple of years before that).
I have zero doubt that humans could land safely on Mars in ten years. Technically, it can be done. It therefore becomes a matter of cost, and therefore politics. Unless someone like Musk can throw money at it (latest figures say his Mars rocket has cost $10 billion already), then it becomes a political question.
And that's where the uncertainty comes in. Will an individual such as Musk, or a country like China or the USA, see the prestige of being first on Mars being worth the cost?
We could easily get people on Mars (and back) by 2042. What's stopping us is the finance - and Musk is trying to short-circuit that issue.
I’ve little doubt landing a human on Mars would be possible quite soon, but doing so safely is quite another matter.
For example, how many of these risks have fully been addressed ?
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41526-020-00124-6
Fans say that Starship is so big you'll be able to carry enough consumables. Whilst that may be true, it is still mass that needs lifting to orbit and launching to Mars, and mass that could be used for something else. Then there's the problem with micrometeroids: the JWST has already been hit by one.
But given enough money and redundancy, we could get around them. The more mass we can send, the easier most problems become to solve.1 -
I don't think that is a big secret, it has been in all the papers years ago, especially when he had a go at the protestors.MrEd said:
I think I heard the same thing @Cyclefree and it obviously going around. Does it involve a certain Mr Field?Cyclefree said:Well, I've just heard a delicious piece of gossip about La Truss which will surprise no-one on here. From someone in government. Cannot say more for obvious reasons.
Husband is voting for Sunak on the grounds that he is a grown up and Truss is mad.0 -
It’s easier, when you really believe what you are saying.bondegezou said:
I agree with the reply that Truss appears to have been a better public speaker back then. What happened?!dr_spyn said:Will the footage of Liz Truss as a young Lib Dem, frighten the horses?
https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/15498715621316608004 -
Truss's husband? Wouldn't be all that surprising, if the same stories...Cyclefree said:Well, I've just heard a delicious piece of gossip about La Truss which will surprise no-one on here. From someone in government. Cannot say more for obvious reasons.
Husband is voting for Sunak on the grounds that he is a grown up and Truss is mad.2 -
I feel fantasticMalmesbury said:
Some years ago, I noticed and commented on the fact that very often in American movies, the day seems to start with people swallowing a bunch of pills. My flatmate at the time said that he'd noticed the same thing. Fit, healthy people get up, and swallow some pills....bondegezou said:
Or a problem with the US healthcare system, more likely.williamglenn said:
Over 10% of Americans are taking SSRIs. That's surely evidence of a social problem rather than a medical problem.Foxy said:
He seems to think that patients with depression just need to pull themselves together, perhaps by going for a walk in the country.Andy_JS said:"As a major study overturns decades of received wisdom that depression is caused by a lack of serotonin in the brain, the verdict of science is now clear - our unhealthy obsession with antidepressants must end
Peter Hitchens"
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-11033359/PETER-HITCHENS-unhealthy-obsession-antidepressants-end.html0 -
How do I get tickets for the hustings?0
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My American ex-girlfriend would do a valium for almost any reason. Hangover, poor night's sleep, bad day at work, etc.Malmesbury said:
Some years ago, I noticed and commented on the fact that very often in American movies, the day seems to start with people swallowing a bunch of pills. My flatmate at the time said that he'd noticed the same thing. Fit, healthy people get up, and swallow some pills....bondegezou said:
Or a problem with the US healthcare system, more likely.williamglenn said:
Over 10% of Americans are taking SSRIs. That's surely evidence of a social problem rather than a medical problem.Foxy said:
He seems to think that patients with depression just need to pull themselves together, perhaps by going for a walk in the country.Andy_JS said:"As a major study overturns decades of received wisdom that depression is caused by a lack of serotonin in the brain, the verdict of science is now clear - our unhealthy obsession with antidepressants must end
Peter Hitchens"
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-11033359/PETER-HITCHENS-unhealthy-obsession-antidepressants-end.html
She refused, point blank, to accept we would need a prescription. Nor why I just didn't. She took them more than I would a paracetamol.0 -
I remember when, under Thatcher, they cut back (one in a series of actions, over the years, under various governments) on the freebies and other bungs that NHS consultants could take from drug companies. My farther was teaching in the medical ethics area at the time - he explained to me why there was all the anger. And why it was necessary.bondegezou said:
https://www.statnews.com/2019/04/02/overprescribed-americas-other-drug-problem/Malmesbury said:
Some years ago, I noticed and commented on the fact that very often in American movies, the day seems to start with people swallowing a bunch of pills. My flatmate at the time said that he'd noticed the same thing. Fit, healthy people get up, and swallow some pills....bondegezou said:
Or a problem with the US healthcare system, more likely.williamglenn said:
Over 10% of Americans are taking SSRIs. That's surely evidence of a social problem rather than a medical problem.Foxy said:
He seems to think that patients with depression just need to pull themselves together, perhaps by going for a walk in the country.Andy_JS said:"As a major study overturns decades of received wisdom that depression is caused by a lack of serotonin in the brain, the verdict of science is now clear - our unhealthy obsession with antidepressants must end
Peter Hitchens"
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-11033359/PETER-HITCHENS-unhealthy-obsession-antidepressants-end.html0 -
Did you husband decide Truss was mad before or after he heard the piece of gossip?Cyclefree said:Well, I've just heard a delicious piece of gossip about La Truss which will surprise no-one on here. From someone in government. Cannot say more for obvious reasons.
Husband is voting for Sunak on the grounds that he is a grown up and Truss is mad.0 -
An American mum, who arrived in the area (lots of expats from around the world), couldn't believe that most children in the schools were Ritalin free. Didn't we love our kids enough?dixiedean said:
My American ex-girlfriend would do a valium for almost any reason. Hangover, poor night's sleep, bad day at work, etc.Malmesbury said:
Some years ago, I noticed and commented on the fact that very often in American movies, the day seems to start with people swallowing a bunch of pills. My flatmate at the time said that he'd noticed the same thing. Fit, healthy people get up, and swallow some pills....bondegezou said:
Or a problem with the US healthcare system, more likely.williamglenn said:
Over 10% of Americans are taking SSRIs. That's surely evidence of a social problem rather than a medical problem.Foxy said:
He seems to think that patients with depression just need to pull themselves together, perhaps by going for a walk in the country.Andy_JS said:"As a major study overturns decades of received wisdom that depression is caused by a lack of serotonin in the brain, the verdict of science is now clear - our unhealthy obsession with antidepressants must end
Peter Hitchens"
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-11033359/PETER-HITCHENS-unhealthy-obsession-antidepressants-end.html
She refused, point blank, to accept we would need a prescription. Nor why I just didn't. She took them more than I would a paracetamol.0 -
Quite a few people I know who suffer from chronic pain are quite jealous of how much easier it seems to be to get hold of really strong painkillers in the USA. The downsides of that haven't yet penetrated.dixiedean said:
My American ex-girlfriend would do a valium for almost any reason. Hangover, poor night's sleep, bad day at work, etc.Malmesbury said:
Some years ago, I noticed and commented on the fact that very often in American movies, the day seems to start with people swallowing a bunch of pills. My flatmate at the time said that he'd noticed the same thing. Fit, healthy people get up, and swallow some pills....bondegezou said:
Or a problem with the US healthcare system, more likely.williamglenn said:
Over 10% of Americans are taking SSRIs. That's surely evidence of a social problem rather than a medical problem.Foxy said:
He seems to think that patients with depression just need to pull themselves together, perhaps by going for a walk in the country.Andy_JS said:"As a major study overturns decades of received wisdom that depression is caused by a lack of serotonin in the brain, the verdict of science is now clear - our unhealthy obsession with antidepressants must end
Peter Hitchens"
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-11033359/PETER-HITCHENS-unhealthy-obsession-antidepressants-end.html
She refused, point blank, to accept we would need a prescription. Nor why I just didn't. She took them more than I would a paracetamol.1 -
Can anyone explain why Truss is only 5/6 ?
Con Home
Liz Truss: 49 (Last Monday: 51 )
Rishi Sunak: 42 (Last Monday: 34 )
Don’t know: 9 (Last Monday: 15 )
(845 votes cast.)
Yougov
54 Truss 35 Sunak (Prior Truss 59 Sunak 35)
Sunak looks to me to be deeply unpopular amongst the membership who won't forgive him for betraying Boris in their view.
There's time to go but this is in my view more of a 1-2 / 2-1 contest now. If it was tommorow it'd be more like 1-5 / 5-1.0 -
Turnip Taliban and all that stuff.FrancisUrquhart said:
I don't think that is a big secret, it has been in all the papers years ago, especially when he had a go at the protestors.MrEd said:
I think I heard the same thing @Cyclefree and it obviously going around. Does it involve a certain Mr Field?Cyclefree said:Well, I've just heard a delicious piece of gossip about La Truss which will surprise no-one on here. From someone in government. Cannot say more for obvious reasons.
Husband is voting for Sunak on the grounds that he is a grown up and Truss is mad.
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Interesting:Andy_JS said:"As a major study overturns decades of received wisdom that depression is caused by a lack of serotonin in the brain, the verdict of science is now clear - our unhealthy obsession with antidepressants must end
Peter Hitchens"
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-11033359/PETER-HITCHENS-unhealthy-obsession-antidepressants-end.html
"Professor Joanna Moncrieff, the consultant psychiatrist who led the study, put it bluntly: ‘After a vast amount of research over decades, there is no convincing evidence depression is caused by serotonin abnormalities, particularly by lower levels or reduced activity of serotonin.’ Using language of quite devastating force, this distinguished doctor drove home her message, which was published in the learned journal Molecular Psychiatry and based on the analysis of studies involving tens of thousands of patients.
‘Thousands of people suffer from side-effects of antidepressants, including the severe withdrawal effects that can occur when people try to stop them, yet prescription rates continue to rise. We believe this has been driven partly by the false belief depression is due to a chemical imbalance. It is high time to inform the public that this belief is not grounded in science.’"0 -
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Again. I'm not criticising anyone on anti-depressants or anything else. Christ knows I've done enough of both legal and illegal medication. It saved my life.
I just find the subject fascinating.
I just stopped one day. I didn't even consciously decide to. Haven't kicked my 30 a day habit though.
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Haven't found one which works, perhaps BBCIplayer might help.FrancisUrquhart said:
Any link to the actual clip?dr_spyn said:Will the footage of Liz Truss as a young Lib Dem, frighten the horses?
https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/15498715621316608000 -
Henrik Stenson, Jason Kokrak and Charles Howell III latest LIV golf singings.
Only Kokrak is top 50. Not sure PGA Tour will lose sleep over those names going.0 -
I was wondering similar. Do we think there will be a time, perhaps even in the coming century, where we will no longer have government virus data served to us on a regular basis?kinabalu said:
Is this back by popular request, Malmesbury, or is it you wanting to resurrect glory days?Malmesbury said:COVID summary
- Hospital admissions are DOWN.
- MV beds are FLAT
- In hospital is FLAT
- Deaths are UP. But we may be seeing a fall soon.
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I think he has been sharing a few more details.FrancisUrquhart said:
I don't think that is a big secret, it has been in all the papers years ago, especially when he had a go at the protestors.MrEd said:
I think I heard the same thing @Cyclefree and it obviously going around. Does it involve a certain Mr Field?Cyclefree said:Well, I've just heard a delicious piece of gossip about La Truss which will surprise no-one on here. From someone in government. Cannot say more for obvious reasons.
Husband is voting for Sunak on the grounds that he is a grown up and Truss is mad.0 -
https://elpais.com/economia/2022-07-20/espana-rechaza-la-propuesta-de-bruselas-de-recortar-un-15-el-consumo-de-gas.html
Spain not on board with EU plans to cut gas usage to help Germany. “We have not lived beyond our energy means” they say, which commentators see as a pointed reference to Germany’s attitude towards Spain during the eurozone debt crisis.0 -
I'm hoping the semi-final will be a boring 3-0.Fairliered said:1 -
There are wilder stories than thatFrancisUrquhart said:
I don't think that is a big secret, it has been in all the papers years ago, especially when he had a go at the protestors.MrEd said:
I think I heard the same thing @Cyclefree and it obviously going around. Does it involve a certain Mr Field?Cyclefree said:Well, I've just heard a delicious piece of gossip about La Truss which will surprise no-one on here. From someone in government. Cannot say more for obvious reasons.
Husband is voting for Sunak on the grounds that he is a grown up and Truss is mad.
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https://twitter.com/garwboy/status/1549754231527178244dixiedean said:Again. I'm not criticising anyone on anti-depressants or anything else. Christ knows I've done enough of both legal and illegal medication. It saved my life.
I just find the subject fascinating.
I just stopped one day. Haven't kicked my 30 a day habit though.
Why?0 -
The prices look about right to me, given that there's a ridiculous number of hustings coming (12, I think?). We've seen Truss do fairly well in one TV hustings and very badly in another, while Sunak was much the same in both. There must be scope for a couple more to produce unexpected incidents which could move opinion sharply ekither way.Pulpstar said:Can anyone explain why Truss is only 5/6 ?
Con Home
Liz Truss: 49 (Last Monday: 51 )
Rishi Sunak: 42 (Last Monday: 34 )
Don’t know: 9 (Last Monday: 15 )
(845 votes cast.)
Yougov
54 Truss 35 Sunak (Prior Truss 59 Sunak 35)
Sunak looks to me to be deeply unpopular amongst the membership who won't forgive him for betraying Boris in their view.
There's time to go but this is in my view more of a 1-2 / 2-1 contest now. If it was tommorow it'd be more like 1-5 / 5-1.2 -
Sounds a bit high to me, but sadly clinical depression* is quite common. It is a worldwide condition, according to the WHO around 3.4% of the world population have it at any one time, and around 15% at some point in a lifetime.dixiedean said:
Estimated 17% of adults in UK.williamglenn said:
Over 10% of Americans are taking SSRIs. That's surely evidence of a social problem rather than a medical problem.Foxy said:
He seems to think that patients with depression just need to pull themselves together, perhaps by going for a walk in the country.Andy_JS said:"As a major study overturns decades of received wisdom that depression is caused by a lack of serotonin in the brain, the verdict of science is now clear - our unhealthy obsession with antidepressants must end
Peter Hitchens"
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-11033359/PETER-HITCHENS-unhealthy-obsession-antidepressants-end.html
https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/depression-rates-by-country
* this consists of far more than feeling a bit glum.
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You saying Fizzy Lizzy might actually be a bit fizzy and not as so far seems like B&M out of date rola cola.Leon said:
There are wilder stories than thatFrancisUrquhart said:
I don't think that is a big secret, it has been in all the papers years ago, especially when he had a go at the protestors.MrEd said:
I think I heard the same thing @Cyclefree and it obviously going around. Does it involve a certain Mr Field?Cyclefree said:Well, I've just heard a delicious piece of gossip about La Truss which will surprise no-one on here. From someone in government. Cannot say more for obvious reasons.
Husband is voting for Sunak on the grounds that he is a grown up and Truss is mad.
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The American ex-girlfriend was probably physically dependent on the Valium if not fully addicted.kle4 said:
Quite a few people I know who suffer from chronic pain are quite jealous of how much easier it seems to be to get hold of really strong painkillers in the USA. The downsides of that haven't yet penetrated.dixiedean said:
My American ex-girlfriend would do a valium for almost any reason. Hangover, poor night's sleep, bad day at work, etc.Malmesbury said:
Some years ago, I noticed and commented on the fact that very often in American movies, the day seems to start with people swallowing a bunch of pills. My flatmate at the time said that he'd noticed the same thing. Fit, healthy people get up, and swallow some pills....bondegezou said:
Or a problem with the US healthcare system, more likely.williamglenn said:
Over 10% of Americans are taking SSRIs. That's surely evidence of a social problem rather than a medical problem.Foxy said:
He seems to think that patients with depression just need to pull themselves together, perhaps by going for a walk in the country.Andy_JS said:"As a major study overturns decades of received wisdom that depression is caused by a lack of serotonin in the brain, the verdict of science is now clear - our unhealthy obsession with antidepressants must end
Peter Hitchens"
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-11033359/PETER-HITCHENS-unhealthy-obsession-antidepressants-end.html
She refused, point blank, to accept we would need a prescription. Nor why I just didn't. She took them more than I would a paracetamol.
The difference between NHS and America view of anti-anxiety pills is enormous. I read the book "My Age of Anxiety" by an ex-editor of the New Yorker. Brilliant book. And I learnt a lot about anxiety which I suffer greatly from.
But the pills he took? Incredible. Off the scale. I was stunned.
Just choffing away at Xanax and Valium like they were smarties. Only one of his doctors seemed bothered and she was more of psychotherapy type who thought he should talk more and the pills made him worse.
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You're saying Sunak is too short for next PM?Pulpstar said:Can anyone explain why Truss is only 5/6 ?
Con Home
Liz Truss: 49 (Last Monday: 51 )
Rishi Sunak: 42 (Last Monday: 34 )
Don’t know: 9 (Last Monday: 15 )
(845 votes cast.)
Yougov
54 Truss 35 Sunak (Prior Truss 59 Sunak 35)
Sunak looks to me to be deeply unpopular amongst the membership who won't forgive him for betraying Boris in their view.
There's time to go but this is in my view more of a 1-2 / 2-1 contest now. If it was tommorow it'd be more like 1-5 / 5-1.
Ok, sorry. Get my hat ...1 -
This could be the start of 20 Questions.eek said:
Did your husband decide Truss was mad before or after he heard the piece of gossip?Cyclefree said:Well, I've just heard a delicious piece of gossip about La Truss which will surprise no-one on here. From someone in government. Cannot say more for obvious reasons.
Husband is voting for Sunak on the grounds that he is a grown up and Truss is mad.
...15. Were all the participants consenting adults?...0 -
I notice the Russian are now having the joys of "Cool Cola", "Fancy" and "Street"
https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2022/05/16/russia-unveils-domestic-rivals-to-coca-cola-fanta-and-sprite-a776940 -
Washington also seems to favour Truss, Beijing keener on SunakPulpstar said:Can anyone explain why Truss is only 5/6 ?
Con Home
Liz Truss: 49 (Last Monday: 51 )
Rishi Sunak: 42 (Last Monday: 34 )
Don’t know: 9 (Last Monday: 15 )
(845 votes cast.)
Yougov
54 Truss 35 Sunak (Prior Truss 59 Sunak 35)
Sunak looks to me to be deeply unpopular amongst the membership who won't forgive him for betraying Boris in their view.
There's time to go but this is in my view more of a 1-2 / 2-1 contest now. If it was tommorow it'd be more like 1-5 / 5-1.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/either-liz-truss-or-rishi-sunak-will-be-britains-next-prime-minister-truss-would-be-a-better-us-ally
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11018929/Chinas-largest-state-tabloid-praises-Rishi-Sunak-soft-stance-Beijing-pragmatic-view.html0 -
Thoughts and prayers for her leftwing academic parents who raised her to be a CND activist.FrancisUrquhart said:
You saying Fizzy Lizzy might actually be a bit fizzy and not as so far seems like B&M out of date rola cola.Leon said:
There are wilder stories than thatFrancisUrquhart said:
I don't think that is a big secret, it has been in all the papers years ago, especially when he had a go at the protestors.MrEd said:
I think I heard the same thing @Cyclefree and it obviously going around. Does it involve a certain Mr Field?Cyclefree said:Well, I've just heard a delicious piece of gossip about La Truss which will surprise no-one on here. From someone in government. Cannot say more for obvious reasons.
Husband is voting for Sunak on the grounds that he is a grown up and Truss is mad.
OH me chime o midnight
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i;m saying it's ironic she lost to kemi Badenoch, nadine Dorries, rishi Sunak and penny MordauntFrancisUrquhart said:
You saying Fizzy Lizzy might actually be a bit fizzy and not as so far seems like B&M out of date rola cola.Leon said:
There are wilder stories than thatFrancisUrquhart said:
I don't think that is a big secret, it has been in all the papers years ago, especially when he had a go at the protestors.MrEd said:
I think I heard the same thing @Cyclefree and it obviously going around. Does it involve a certain Mr Field?Cyclefree said:Well, I've just heard a delicious piece of gossip about La Truss which will surprise no-one on here. From someone in government. Cannot say more for obvious reasons.
Husband is voting for Sunak on the grounds that he is a grown up and Truss is mad.
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I imagine there is a belief that the membership changes its views rapidly upon receiving evidence. For example, I think Mordaunt dropped a little in their eyes and Badenoch surged. But Truss and Sunak are better known. Then you have to ask what's the probability that Truss performs disastrously and Sunak is resilient. Given what happened in the debates, I doubt it. She held her own eventually.Pulpstar said:Can anyone explain why Truss is only 5/6 ?
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Liz Truss: 49 (Last Monday: 51 )
Rishi Sunak: 42 (Last Monday: 34 )
Don’t know: 9 (Last Monday: 15 )
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54 Truss 35 Sunak (Prior Truss 59 Sunak 35)
Sunak looks to me to be deeply unpopular amongst the membership who won't forgive him for betraying Boris in their view.
There's time to go but this is in my view more of a 1-2 / 2-1 contest now. If it was tommorow it'd be more like 1-5 / 5-1.1 -
Lol "Cool Cola" is subtitled "Original". Well I supposed that's true.FrancisUrquhart said:I notice the Russian are now having the joys of "Cool Cola", "Fancy" and "Street"
https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2022/05/16/russia-unveils-domestic-rivals-to-coca-cola-fanta-and-sprite-a776940 -
Well indeed.bondegezou said:
https://twitter.com/garwboy/status/1549754231527178244dixiedean said:Again. I'm not criticising anyone on anti-depressants or anything else. Christ knows I've done enough of both legal and illegal medication. It saved my life.
I just find the subject fascinating.
I just stopped one day. Haven't kicked my 30 a day habit though.
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Not fucking interesting at all, it is 25 years since anyone believed the "chemical imbalance" theory. We know that antidepressants work, not how they work, to the extent that the first ones were actually a treatment for TB, and doctors administering them noticed that their patients weren't any less tubercular, but felt better about it. Why this paper is being treated as anything new, is a mystery.Andy_JS said:
Interesting:Andy_JS said:"As a major study overturns decades of received wisdom that depression is caused by a lack of serotonin in the brain, the verdict of science is now clear - our unhealthy obsession with antidepressants must end
Peter Hitchens"
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-11033359/PETER-HITCHENS-unhealthy-obsession-antidepressants-end.html
"Professor Joanna Moncrieff, the consultant psychiatrist who led the study, put it bluntly: ‘After a vast amount of research over decades, there is no convincing evidence depression is caused by serotonin abnormalities, particularly by lower levels or reduced activity of serotonin.’ Using language of quite devastating force, this distinguished doctor drove home her message, which was published in the learned journal Molecular Psychiatry and based on the analysis of studies involving tens of thousands of patients.
‘Thousands of people suffer from side-effects of antidepressants, including the severe withdrawal effects that can occur when people try to stop them, yet prescription rates continue to rise. We believe this has been driven partly by the false belief depression is due to a chemical imbalance. It is high time to inform the public that this belief is not grounded in science.’"
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