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  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,492
    God, is there anything more cringeworthy than a posho/elitist tries to pretend they are a man/woman of the people because they are from Yorkshire?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,087
    Top shithousery from Truss here.
    In fairness she doesn't edit the Mail
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,755
    kle4 said:

    Liz not my cup of tea, but she's been punchier than Mordaunt so far, I could see her firming up with MPs in the fight for second.

    She is totally focused on attacking Rishi. She is ignoring the other 3. She has obviously calculated this is how she gets to the final 2.
  • jonny83jonny83 Posts: 1,270

    Kemi caught being duplicitous.

    Penny came out of that exchange better. Kemi's body language said it all.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,446

    Cruel, but..


    Oh you are awful…
  • EndillionEndillion Posts: 4,976
    I am baffled by the assertion that this has been a vicious campaign; it absolutely hasn't.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,401

    I will say this though.

    Truss is a lot better than Friday.

    Friday was a Man, surely?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,994
    Interesting angle from Mordaunt to say she is the only one to win a Labour seat - a red wall pitch.

    Liz causing the moderator to laugh out loud with her talk of not attacking fellow conservatives. Very unconvincing evasion about her campaign being negative. Her talk of Reagan seems a clear attempt to try to grab a Thatcher comparison.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,994
    Endillion said:

    I am baffled by the assertion that this has been a vicious campaign; it absolutely hasn't.

    I agree. There's been sniping, and some unkind comments, but it really has not been that vicious.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,311
    Am I the only one who finds Truss' speaking manner really, really irritating? Whiny and a poor voice.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    Penny's insistence on her team more impressive if we knew who they are
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,699
    Very good answer from Rishi on his wife's wealth.
  • ArtistArtist Posts: 1,893
    edited July 2022
    Not sure a story about how his wife became a billionaire heiress will resonate with the British public.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,994
    Rishi perhaps unwise to focus at such length about his family wealth. I get he is making it a positive, but its a relatively large amount of airtime to use up on reminding people you are uber wealthy.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,311

    I will say this though.

    Truss is a lot better than Friday.

    Friday was a Man, surely?
    This lot would get eaten alive by him.

    Truss just reminded the ERG she is a remain voter.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,087
    I'm rather enjoying this
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,552

    God, is there anything more cringeworthy than a posho/elitist tries to pretend they are a man/woman of the people because they are from Yorkshire?

    Yes, bloody shocking. If anyone tried that here they would be laughed at...
  • RazedabodeRazedabode Posts: 3,027
    Truss is such a shit
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,755

    I will say this though.

    Truss is a lot better than Friday.

    Friday was a Man, surely?
    He certainly self identified as such.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,311

    God, is there anything more cringeworthy than a posho/elitist tries to pretend they are a man/woman of the people because they are from Yorkshire?

    It leeds to hypocrisy.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    MrEd said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Alistair said:

    Fetterman is slaughtering Oz in Pennsylvania.

    Don't know how this is translating to polls but it is hilarious.

    There was an AARP poll out yesterday that shows Oz six points behind. Worth noting that the AARP shows the Republicans doing very well in the Congressional ballot and the Governor's race. So, it would appear that there are a meaningful number of Republicans that - for one reason or another - just don't like Oz.

    Oz is not a great candidate and it's not helped by the fact he lives in NJ.

    Fetterman though has severe questions over his health. Still a question mark whether he pulls out or not.
    Fetterman has been pummeling Oz on TV for weeks. Oz response is so far . . . zilch.
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,325

    Looking forward to PM Truss’s heel turn when she arbitrarily abolishes the monarchy on day 1.

    And appoints VKM as life president.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,886
    Liz is comfortably the continuity Boris candidate. If you want a duplicitous shit running the country we may as well keep Boris.
  • jonny83jonny83 Posts: 1,270
    Pulpstar said:

    I'm rather enjoying this

    I think it's a better format than the C4 one. But that's IMO.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,311
    One thing I think we can all agree on, this moderator is crap compared to KGM last Friday.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,278
    Kemi good on moving on from Brexit
  • RazedabodeRazedabode Posts: 3,027
    Strong answer from Rishi re. His wife’s families wealth
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,842
    DavidL said:

    IanB2 said:

    Farooq said:

    Truss looks ill. Someone joked about her shitting herself on stage. It's not 100% guaranteed not to happen.

    This is the kind of hard hitting analysis I come here for
    With Leon banned, this is as good as it gets!
    1. When did he get banned
    2. Is it a ban or the sin bin
    3. If its a ban lets celebrate his Whovian power of regeneration
    We want @Leon !! Not the same without his hyperbole.
    He **at on his own doorstep.

    Telling someone British (half-British) who had moved overseas to the US but was commenting about the UK that he should eff off and stop posting and that he had no credentials to post on domestic British matters.

    It could only have got worse had he opined that ********* were a crap band.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,667

    Liz is comfortably the continuity Boris candidate. If you want a duplicitous shit running the country we may as well keep Boris.

    Liz is Boris without the charisma, without having switched from Remain to Leave and while being more willing to slash spending
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,311
    'Shoulder to the wheel' FFS more banal cliché.
  • OrkaOrka Posts: 10
    Sunak handled an impossible question - his wife's insane wealth - as well as anyone could. Which is something
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,994
    edited July 2022
    Feel Mordaunt should have pushed back on the idea 'so many' Brexit figures were backing Truss. Makes it look like she accepts that is inevitable.

    A good question though for members, as the idea Rishi and she are not solid Brexiteers is silly.

    Kemi talking my language about not banging on about Brexit, but not sure who she is pitching that too in the party.

    Strong answer for Truss - she has reinforced she delivers for Brexiteers.
  • londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,639
    Anyone seen @Leon recently? 👍
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 3,705
    Orka said:

    Xipe said:

    I'd just like to point out that I am in fact the carefully constructed seventh sock-puppet of Leon, and I resent these interlopers pretending to be me pretending to be someone else, when I am that other fake person faking an identity, not some cheap fake. I hope that is clear.

    You have a full stop at the end of your paragraph. You're pathetic, not even a good fake of the fake guy who was faking someone. I am the real fake fake guy faking that fake. Not you, you bloody fake

    SEE, NO FULL STOP
    Ah, fuck, I've accidentally travelled to that Star Trek mirror universe thing again, haven't I?
  • pingping Posts: 3,805
    Truss is mad.

    Penny, Kemi and Tom are just too inexperienced.

    Sunak probably the least worst choice, imo.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,446
    Taz said:

    Orka said:

    IanB2 said:

    Farooq said:

    Truss looks ill. Someone joked about her shitting herself on stage. It's not 100% guaranteed not to happen.

    This is the kind of hard hitting analysis I come here for
    With Leon banned, this is as good as it gets!
    Banned???
    I’m relatively new here but older heads seem to think he has had many banned Accounts here and always rejoined so he will probably be back soon. Won’t he 🤫
    Let’s hope he doesn’t find himself beached, with any new moniker.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,845
    ydoethur said:

    God, is there anything more cringeworthy than a posho/elitist tries to pretend they are a man/woman of the people because they are from Yorkshire?

    It leeds to hypocrisy.
    An ilkley story
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,748
    ydoethur said:

    Am I the only one who finds Truss' speaking manner really, really irritating? Whiny and a poor voice.

    I said earlier Truss sounds French with her short phrases of regular length, interspersed with pauses. But there might be another explanation: is she a smoker who gets short of breath?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,311
    I agree with Kemi.

    He's channelling Gordon Brown, yet again. And not in a good way.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,316

    Orka said:

    Xipe said:

    I'd just like to point out that I am in fact the carefully constructed seventh sock-puppet of Leon, and I resent these interlopers pretending to be me pretending to be someone else, when I am that other fake person faking an identity, not some cheap fake. I hope that is clear.

    You have a full stop at the end of your paragraph. You're pathetic, not even a good fake of the fake guy who was faking someone. I am the real fake fake guy faking that fake. Not you, you bloody fake

    SEE, NO FULL STOP
    Ah, fuck, I've accidentally travelled to that Star Trek mirror universe thing again, haven't I?
    Check the mirror for a goatee.
  • CiceroCicero Posts: 3,075

    Xipe said:

    I'd just like to point out that I am in fact the carefully constructed seventh sock-puppet of Leon, and I resent these interlopers pretending to be me pretending to be someone else, when I am that other fake person faking an identity, not some cheap fake. I hope that is clear.

    Here we go

    No, I am Spartacus. And so is my wife (probably)
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,518
    Sunak understandably a bit shaky about his wife's tax position. Mordaunt "did not have the platform of the others" - eh? Oooh, Badenoch goes for the "fed up debating Brexit" vote! Truss goes for "delivery" again, FFS - but maybe it helps to repeat?
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    ydoethur said:

    'Shoulder to the wheel' FFS more banal cliché.

    What milk based commodity is sold in wheels?

    Dog whistle
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,748
    Artist said:

    Not sure a story about how his wife became a billionaire heiress will resonate with the British public.

    The British public don't get to vote tomorrow afternoon. His audience is MPs.
  • CiceroCicero Posts: 3,075
    rcs1000 said:

    kle4 said:

    I was asked in a YouGov poll whether I'd support Boris being given a Cabinet post. I suspect it was bad news, as none of them put their hands up to say they would give him one.

    Penny the most pathetic about it though, desperate to come in and try to explain herself (even though it was a hands up only question).

    I would support putting Boris in a Cabinet, and then locking it.
    I guess that would be a kitchen cabinet.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,018
    edited July 2022

    Orka said:

    Xipe said:

    I'd just like to point out that I am in fact the carefully constructed seventh sock-puppet of Leon, and I resent these interlopers pretending to be me pretending to be someone else, when I am that other fake person faking an identity, not some cheap fake. I hope that is clear.

    You have a full stop at the end of your paragraph. You're pathetic, not even a good fake of the fake guy who was faking someone. I am the real fake fake guy faking that fake. Not you, you bloody fake

    SEE, NO FULL STOP
    Ah, fuck, I've accidentally travelled to that Star Trek mirror universe thing again, haven't I?
    Check the mirror for a goatee.
    Aren't goaty beards symmetrical? How will you tell?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,311
    IshmaelZ said:

    ydoethur said:

    'Shoulder to the wheel' FFS more banal cliché.

    What milk based commodity is sold in wheels?

    Dog whistle
    Not so much double down as double Gloucester?
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,437
    HYUFD said:



    Liz is comfortably the continuity Boris candidate. If you want a duplicitous shit running the country we may as well keep Boris.

    Liz is Boris without the charisma, without having switched from Remain to Leave and while being more willing to slash spending
    Implying Boris didn't switch from Remain to Leave
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,311
    Cicero said:

    rcs1000 said:

    kle4 said:

    I was asked in a YouGov poll whether I'd support Boris being given a Cabinet post. I suspect it was bad news, as none of them put their hands up to say they would give him one.

    Penny the most pathetic about it though, desperate to come in and try to explain herself (even though it was a hands up only question).

    I would support putting Boris in a Cabinet, and then locking it.
    I guess that would be a kitchen cabinet.
    A cabinet fridge.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,667

    HYUFD said:



    Liz is comfortably the continuity Boris candidate. If you want a duplicitous shit running the country we may as well keep Boris.

    Liz is Boris without the charisma, without having switched from Remain to Leave and while being more willing to slash spending
    Implying Boris didn't switch from Remain to Leave
    He was Leave before the referendum
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,845
    Rishi!
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,278
    Rishi seems to know he's going to face up to Truss her
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,325
    Good question from Rishi.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,437
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:



    Liz is comfortably the continuity Boris candidate. If you want a duplicitous shit running the country we may as well keep Boris.

    Liz is Boris without the charisma, without having switched from Remain to Leave and while being more willing to slash spending
    Implying Boris didn't switch from Remain to Leave
    He was Leave before the referendum
    Good one
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,667
    Killer question from Rishi asking Liz which she regretted more 'having been a LD or voted Remain'
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,886
    lolol - you were a LibDem and a remainer, which do you regret most?
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,018
    Taz said:

    Orka said:

    IanB2 said:

    Farooq said:

    Truss looks ill. Someone joked about her shitting herself on stage. It's not 100% guaranteed not to happen.

    This is the kind of hard hitting analysis I come here for
    With Leon banned, this is as good as it gets!
    Banned???
    I’m relatively new here but older heads seem to think he has had many banned Accounts here and always rejoined so he will probably be back soon. Won’t he 🤫
    It's a combination of banned by the mod, and embarrassed by himself.


  • RazedabodeRazedabode Posts: 3,027
    Lol such a good question from Rishi
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,994
    Strongest moment for Kemi going after Sunak on Covid fraud, she's been invisible.

    I think his answer is decent - they had to move very quickly after all.

    His question to Liz was lame and a big mistake - about her being a LD and remainer in the past and which she regretted. That's easy to bounce back on, and looks petty.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,316
    MattW said:

    Orka said:

    Xipe said:

    I'd just like to point out that I am in fact the carefully constructed seventh sock-puppet of Leon, and I resent these interlopers pretending to be me pretending to be someone else, when I am that other fake person faking an identity, not some cheap fake. I hope that is clear.

    You have a full stop at the end of your paragraph. You're pathetic, not even a good fake of the fake guy who was faking someone. I am the real fake fake guy faking that fake. Not you, you bloody fake

    SEE, NO FULL STOP
    Ah, fuck, I've accidentally travelled to that Star Trek mirror universe thing again, haven't I?
    Check the mirror for a goatee.
    Aren't goaty beards symmetrical? How will you tell?
    Common sci fi trope in mirror universes for your double to have a goatee.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,667
    Truss killer question back, 'Rishi, do you still think we should be doing more business with China'
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,311
    Ouch, that's a truly nasty question from Sunak, very spiteful.

    Truss trying to get back over education, overlooking that she was a Lib Dem at uni.

    FFS, mentioning the maths gcse though, that's been an absolute catastrophe. Doesn't work on any level at all, including setting up for further study. Also not reliable in the marking. Never mention that as it's a serious black mark.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,295
    Liz responding to privileged Rishi pretty well.
    Rishi’s question was pathetic.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,152
    Ha! I thought Rishi’s question was a bit shit. Kemi’s question was better, in my opinion.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,748

    Absolutely vicious question from Sunak to Truss.

    Love it.

    No, it has dolled up Truss's humble origins story. All she's missing is a grocer come lay preacher.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 10,966
    Just switched in the ITV debate late… and the candidates are getting to ask each other questions! This is a fun format. Badenoch attacks Sunak. Sunak attacks Truss…

    Truss doing better here. The red dress is a better choice! And she’s ripping into Sunak in return.

    Then Truss questions Sunak. They’re really bringing up interesting issues. Let’s have this in all the debates.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,994
    Feels like PMQs now - but that does play well for RIshi.
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,325
    MattW said:

    Taz said:

    Orka said:

    IanB2 said:

    Farooq said:

    Truss looks ill. Someone joked about her shitting herself on stage. It's not 100% guaranteed not to happen.

    This is the kind of hard hitting analysis I come here for
    With Leon banned, this is as good as it gets!
    Banned???
    I’m relatively new here but older heads seem to think he has had many banned Accounts here and always rejoined so he will probably be back soon. Won’t he 🤫
    It's a combination of banned by the mod, and embarrassed by himself.


    He never quite struck me as having that level of self awareness
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,492
    Once you realise Sunak sounds like Tony Blair you cannot get it out of your mind.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,845
    HYUFD said:

    Killer question from Rishi asking Liz which she regretted more 'having been a LD or voted Remain'

    Now, Mr HY, you’ve been a remainer and you voted Plaid Cymru….
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,994
    Turning into the Sunak and Truss show. Is Tom still there? Why is Mordaunt not seeking to cut in and giving Truss such a free time?
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,699
    Everyone asking their Q to Rishi!
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,311
    edited July 2022
    Everyone going after Sunak, except himself.

    That tells you all you need to know about who they see as the most likely winner.

    But - it does mean he's going to be dominating this conversation and able to lay out his stall on a wide range of things. Tactical error by the others.

    Edit - you bastard, Tugendhat, you ruined this post.
  • nico679nico679 Posts: 6,273
    Interesting question from Penny to Sunak re defence spending .

    I’m pretty sure TT will endorse Penny once he goes out .
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,667
    Mordaunt now asks Sunak why he won't raise defence spending, Sunak responds it will be threat based.
  • RazedabodeRazedabode Posts: 3,027
    I think we all know who the others are worried about. Lol
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,886
    kle4 said:

    Feels like PMQs now - but that does play well for RIshi.

    Its a Rishi pile on and he is just batting them all away. If anyone seriously thinks any of the other 4 are up to it, they're mad.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,842

    Liz responding to privileged Rishi pretty well.
    Rishi’s question was pathetic.

    As I noted earlier Rishi is burnishing his leave credentials because, him being a vaguely sensible type, people naturally mistake him for a remainer.
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,325
    ydoethur said:

    Ouch, that's a truly nasty question from Sunak, very spiteful.

    Truss trying to get back over education, overlooking that she was a Lib Dem at uni.

    FFS, mentioning the maths gcse though, that's been an absolute catastrophe. Doesn't work on any level at all, including setting up for further study. Also not reliable in the marking. Never mention that as it's a serious black mark.

    Truss was schooled, mainly, under the Tories as well. So any lack of opportunity is down to them.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,437
    Rishi very on top of every brief
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,278
    This is appalling from Penny

    Openly laughed at
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,755
    MikeL said:

    Everyone asking their Q to Rishi!

    Not the TiT. He remains determinedly irrelevant.
  • ArtistArtist Posts: 1,893
    Not sure what polling Penny is referring to there.
  • jonny83jonny83 Posts: 1,270
    Mordaunt has had a better debate tonight.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    kle4 said:

    Interesting angle from Mordaunt to say she is the only one to win a Labour seat - a red wall pitch.

    Liz causing the moderator to laugh out loud with her talk of not attacking fellow conservatives. Very unconvincing evasion about her campaign being negative. Her talk of Reagan seems a clear attempt to try to grab a Thatcher comparison.

    How long before LT tells another hopeful tonight, "There you go again!"
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 10,966
    Mordaunt also asks her question to Sunak. Do they all see him as the one to beat? It’s a good tactic to go after the frontrunner, but it also gives Sunak more screen time.

    Ah, but Tugendhat asks his question to Mordaunt! His is the least interesting question. The others went for the jugular.

    (You wouldn’t know Truss is younger than Mordaunt.)
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,748
    HYUFD said:

    Mordaunt now asks Sunak why he won't raise defence spending, Sunak responds it will be threat based.

    We shall defend our island, whatever the cost may be.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,667
    IanB2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Killer question from Rishi asking Liz which she regretted more 'having been a LD or voted Remain'

    Now, Mr HY, you’ve been a remainer and you voted Plaid Cymru….
    I am not running for Tory leader now and I was never a member of another party nor did I ever not vote for Tory candidates on the ballot paper at every election I have voted in
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,087
    Soft question to Penny but an unconvincing answer
  • EndillionEndillion Posts: 4,976
    Mordaunt getting laughed at by Tugendhat, momentarily looks like she'd like to murder him.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,518
    Badenoch really going for a broader audience here - attacking fraud. Truss also quite interesting as someone who used not to be a Tory. Sunak keeps trying to talk over the moderator, but now looks confident. Mordaunt shakier and playing the victim card.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,152
    Liz going for the Macron approach re Putin.
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,699
    Truss the only one who will meet Putin.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,994
    Tom was in combat? When was this?
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 10,966

    lolol - you were a LibDem and a remainer, which do you regret most?

    But she answered it well and got a dig in about Sunak’s privilege.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    Truss: Faced down Lavrov over Rostov on Don
  • RazedabodeRazedabode Posts: 3,027
    Hard to see beyond Rishi being the right candidate here tbh
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,994

    Mordaunt also asks her question to Sunak. Do they all see him as the one to beat? It’s a good tactic to go after the frontrunner, but it also gives Sunak more screen time.

    Ah, but Tugendhat asks his question to Mordaunt! His is the least interesting question. The others went for the jugular.

    (You wouldn’t know Truss is younger than Mordaunt.)

    They see that being seen to be the one to beat him is important to get into the final two.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,886

    Mordaunt also asks her question to Sunak. Do they all see him as the one to beat? It’s a good tactic to go after the frontrunner, but it also gives Sunak more screen time.

    Ah, but Tugendhat asks his question to Mordaunt! His is the least interesting question. The others went for the jugular.

    (You wouldn’t know Truss is younger than Mordaunt.)

    Its desperation. Sunak head and shoulders above the lot of them, and they keep giving him more time to bat away their whines.

    Come on Tories, just get this done. Smack Sunak up to 200 votes and end the contest.
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