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  • state_go_awaystate_go_away Posts: 5,808
    Farooq said:

    Afternoon all! My 11yr old daughter has been having sailing lessons this weekend, so needed picking up from Peterhead at 4pm. So we went out after lunch and had a wander around Slains castle. https://www.undiscoveredscotland.co.uk/crudenbay/slainscastle/index.html

    This is a unique place - an imposing structure on top of sheer cliffs, a ruin for a century that you can wander around and even spiral staircases you can climb up floor after floor.

    The most boggling part - it is simply there. No access control, no custodian heritage organisation, nothing to stop you falling from the top of the tower or out a window down the cliffs.

    Every time I come, its always WOW.

    Yes, I know it well. If you have the guts to stand at the top of that tallest tower, you're braver than most. It's actually quite horrifying to be stood there with a 4 storey drop one side and the spiral staircase ready to swallow you up in the other three directions. Any feeling of faintness and you're doomed, and not a rail or a warning sign in sight.
    what would a warning say - Caution - Gravity is operating today
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,492
    Sen. Ted Cruz says the Supreme Court was “clearly wrong” and “overreaching” when it legalized same-sex marriage nationwide.

    https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/1548676670575501318
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,048
    ydoethur said:

    Foxy said:

    ydoethur said:

    kle4 said:

    ydoethur said:

    Foxy said:

    I see the government has a plan to keep ambulances from waiting in the heat. No more than 30 min permitted. Not sure where we are supposed to put all the folk instead...

    BREAKING: All hospitals in England told to take "immediate steps" to find extra space for patients so that no ambulance waits longer than 30mins. This must be done despite the extra burden on hospital staff, say NHS chiefs. https://t.co/Jb71x4PC3w

    Because obviously you leave them outside on ambulances all the time just because you can't be bothered to treat them.
    The good doctor has to get to the golf course sometime!
    Somebody wood say that.
    We have to club together to iron out these issues.
    We've gone a fairway to turning this thread into one on golfing puns.
    I think we are just putt putting along on this….
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,152

    Phew, laying Rory was never in doubt.

    Beaten by a mullet.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,308

    ydoethur said:

    Foxy said:

    ydoethur said:

    kle4 said:

    ydoethur said:

    Foxy said:

    I see the government has a plan to keep ambulances from waiting in the heat. No more than 30 min permitted. Not sure where we are supposed to put all the folk instead...

    BREAKING: All hospitals in England told to take "immediate steps" to find extra space for patients so that no ambulance waits longer than 30mins. This must be done despite the extra burden on hospital staff, say NHS chiefs. https://t.co/Jb71x4PC3w

    Because obviously you leave them outside on ambulances all the time just because you can't be bothered to treat them.
    The good doctor has to get to the golf course sometime!
    Somebody wood say that.
    We have to club together to iron out these issues.
    We've gone a fairway to turning this thread into one on golfing puns.
    I think we are just putt putting along on this….
    Somebody is going to flag this lot as off topic.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,446
    edited July 2022

    Half an hour till the big debate jamboree. I haven't felt so excited in years.

    Incredible, I tell you.

    Two predications, and you will see that I’m right.

    Tom Tugendhat will easily win debate.

    And Liz Truss will stand with her back to the audience, someone will enter stage right, turn her round at the lectern so she is facing the right way, and then exit stage right.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,492
    tlg86 said:

    Phew, laying Rory was never in doubt.

    Beaten by a mullet.
    Not just any mullet, an Aussie mullet.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,308
    edited July 2022

    ydoethur said:

    Foxy said:

    I see the government has a plan to keep ambulances from waiting in the heat. No more than 30 min permitted. Not sure where we are supposed to put all the folk instead...

    BREAKING: All hospitals in England told to take "immediate steps" to find extra space for patients so that no ambulance waits longer than 30mins. This must be done despite the extra burden on hospital staff, say NHS chiefs. https://t.co/Jb71x4PC3w

    Because obviously you leave them outside on ambulances all the time just because you can't be bothered to treat them.
    This Government is so getting to grips with all our key concerns. Diktats like this, ensuring the NHS is working like clockwork, Johnson training to be a fighter pilot for the Ukraine Airforce in Lincolnshire yesterday and now Sunak going for ultra hard de- harmonised Brexit so we can never return cap in hand to the EU. Where do I put my cross?
    I would recommend a similar place to where Michael Palin's Molotov suggested putting an eight foot crucifix.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,469
    Tres said:

    Rail tracks have a tendency to misbehave in extreme heat.

    Not just the tracks. If it is an electrified line (overhead), then the catenary has set temperatures it is designed to cope with. Go beyond that, and you end up with things like the catenary wrapped around the pantograph (catenary being the wires; the pantograph being the sticky-up thing on the train that picks up the power). And there are many other systems that suffer from high heat as well.

    *Any* infrastructure has set temperature limits. Roads are the same: they have minimum and maximum temperatures. If the minimum is too high, and they lose some properties (e.g. wearing) in low temperatures. If the maximum is too low, then they melt in high temperatures. The wider the gap between min and max permissable temperatures, the greater the cost.

    In the UK, -10 to +35 deg C would seem a reasonable temperature range for 99.9% of the time. How much do you extend those ranges to get to 99.99% or 99.999% of the time?
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,469

    Sen. Ted Cruz says the Supreme Court was “clearly wrong” and “overreaching” when it legalized same-sex marriage nationwide.

    https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/1548676670575501318

    The rights we now enjoy can always be reversed. AS anyone commenting on the current trans nonsense should consider.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,760
    edited July 2022
    Eabhal said:


    ydoethur said:

    Tres said:

    Rail tracks have a tendency to misbehave in extreme heat.

    Yup, that's why my train was cancelled for Tuesday.
    @Sunil_Prasannan is going to be out of luck, isn't he?
    He cancelled his trip.
    FAKE NEWS!

    I managed to book a seat on Wednesday's train - LNER said I could use Tuesday's ticket on that train.

    Unfortunately, I had to shift my itinerararay by one day - I decided to fly back from Inverness to London on Saturday. Kyle train on Thursday unaffected, but had to book the Wick service again for Friday.

    Luckily, my hotel had free cancellation, so I just re-booked the three nights until Friday night instead of Thursday night hitherto.
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 9,117
    edited July 2022

    Half an hour till the big debate jamboree. I haven't felt so excited in years.

    Incredible, I tell you.

    Two predications, and you will see that I’m right.

    Tom Tugendhat will easily win debate.

    And Liz Trust will stand with her back to the audience, someone will enter stage right, turn her round at the lectern so she is facing the right way, and then exit stage right.
    I'm quite impressed with Tom Tugendhat so far. He seems to have a sort of bright understated decency, and you get quite a good sense of his underlying motivations and psychological health being a bit sounder than that of many politicians.

    Liz Truss could astonish us all by being good. This requires the favourite emoji of American teenagers - "popcorn".

    Penny needs to pay to her strengths , and relate.

    Kemi Badenoch needs to slow down a bit , and Rishi Sunak has to look just a fraction less like he's super-confident about everything.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,048
    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Foxy said:

    ydoethur said:

    kle4 said:

    ydoethur said:

    Foxy said:

    I see the government has a plan to keep ambulances from waiting in the heat. No more than 30 min permitted. Not sure where we are supposed to put all the folk instead...

    BREAKING: All hospitals in England told to take "immediate steps" to find extra space for patients so that no ambulance waits longer than 30mins. This must be done despite the extra burden on hospital staff, say NHS chiefs. https://t.co/Jb71x4PC3w

    Because obviously you leave them outside on ambulances all the time just because you can't be bothered to treat them.
    The good doctor has to get to the golf course sometime!
    Somebody wood say that.
    We have to club together to iron out these issues.
    We've gone a fairway to turning this thread into one on golfing puns.
    I think we are just putt putting along on this….
    Somebody is going to flag this lot as off topic.
    The I will let lose the flying mutant lawyers…
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,308

    Eabhal said:


    ydoethur said:

    Tres said:

    Rail tracks have a tendency to misbehave in extreme heat.

    Yup, that's why my train was cancelled for Tuesday.
    @Sunil_Prasannan is going to be out of luck, isn't he?
    He cancelled his trip.
    FAKE NEWS!

    I managed to book a seat on Wednesday's train - LNER said I could use Tuesday's ticket on that train.

    Unfortunately, I had to shift my itinerararay by one day - I decided to fly back from Inverness to London on Saturday. Kyle train on Thursday unaffected, but had to book the Wick service again for Friday.

    Lucikily, my hotel had free cancellation, so I just re-booked the three nights until Friday instead of Thursday.
    I'm not jealous, I'm just a delicate shade of green due to the heat.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,886

    Farooq said:

    Afternoon all! My 11yr old daughter has been having sailing lessons this weekend, so needed picking up from Peterhead at 4pm. So we went out after lunch and had a wander around Slains castle. https://www.undiscoveredscotland.co.uk/crudenbay/slainscastle/index.html

    This is a unique place - an imposing structure on top of sheer cliffs, a ruin for a century that you can wander around and even spiral staircases you can climb up floor after floor.

    The most boggling part - it is simply there. No access control, no custodian heritage organisation, nothing to stop you falling from the top of the tower or out a window down the cliffs.

    Every time I come, its always WOW.

    Yes, I know it well. If you have the guts to stand at the top of that tallest tower, you're braver than most. It's actually quite horrifying to be stood there with a 4 story drop one side and the spiral staircase ready to swallow you up in the other three directions. Any feeling of faintness and you're doomed, and not a rail or a warning sign in sight.
    And it was windy today! But at least its a solid structure. Yesterday I was filming at Findlater Castle https://www.undiscoveredscotland.co.uk/sandend/findlatercastle/index.html

    There is much less of it left standing, but its much more of a challenge. There used to be a drawbridge from the clifftop across to the promontory it was built on. Long gone, and the path is scrambly in places with no room for error. Then when you get there you're in rooms that are full of holes in the floor and drops out over the cliff if you start to slide...
    I passed that on my coastal walk (I think it's technically the *new* Slains Castle? - the 'old'' one is further north?) and it seems so perfect for restoration. It is crying out for renovation and reuse.

    I loved it. I only explored it for a few minutes as I was walking on, but it was so atmospheric.

    So: better as a ruin, or restored for reuse? Would Eilean Donan be better as a ruin or restored?
    Leave it be. There are literally dozens of castles to chose from. The ruins are something different, and wandering round you get to see how they built it - remains of floor joists and the sockets they used to go into, remains of fireplaces where you stare up the chimney etc.
  • pigeonpigeon Posts: 4,835
    The idiot Raab really did say all that nonsense about "enjoying the sunshine" tomorrow, didn't he? Granted, coming from the current Government it sounded plausible that it might be the case, but I nevertheless thought he might've been misreported.

    God, enough morons are going to try to go out and sunbathe in it and end up dead or overburdening the hospitals, without senior members of the Government offering encouragement. Which part of the level four health warning ("illness and death may occur among the fit and healthy, and not just in high-risk groups") did he not understand?
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,469

    DougSeal said:

    Foxy said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Metro
    @MetroUK
    Yesterday
    Londoners warned not to travel on Monday or Tuesday due to extreme heat ⚠️

    Is travel more dangerous if you're a Londoner or something ?

    I expect the tube will be pretty awful in the heat, buses too, rail is running at reduced speed, and sitting in a car running the AC quite popular.

    The origins of today’s deeper-seated problems date to 1890, when the first deep tunnels were built under the Thames from Stockwell to the City, on what is now known as the Northern Line. More tunnels bored at depths below 20 metres followed over the next century - on the Bakerloo, Central, Victoria, Waterloo & City, Jubilee and Piccadilly lines - to form today’s Deep Tube network.

    Temperatures were initially cool, and matched the ambient heat of the earth surrounding the tunnels (around 14°C in 1900). But that was before millions of passengers and a service frequency unimaginable to Victorian and Edwardian planners were added to the mix.

    Unbeknown to 19th century engineers, up to 79% of energy dissipated by trains, people and infrastructure is transferred to London’s native clay around the tunnel bores - thus the temperature of this giant heat sink has slowly climbed to today’s balmy average of 20-25°C.

    Without the valuable gift of hindsight, LU’s early engineers failed to provide adequate ventilation to dissipate this heat, and mid-tunnel shafts were either too few in number or non-existent.


    https://www.railmagazine.com/infrastructure/stations/cooling-the-tube
    They were also built far too narrow - 12ft as opposed to 16ft, meaning you now have teeny-weeny trains wending their way as far away from Central London as Heathrow (Piccadilly line only), Epping, Stanmore, Edgware and Morden.

    One early tube railway that was built to 16ft was the Northern City Line between Finsbury Park and Moorgate. So at least that, along with the new Elizabeth Line, has proper-sized trains. Oh and an honorable mention for the main-line Heathrow stations opened between 1998 and 2008.
    100 years ago they widened one of the Northern Line tunnels - amazingly, between trains. Until one of the tunnels collapsed. Only then did they close the line completely to do the work...

    https://www.eurogunzel.com/2022/01/enlarging-the-tunnels-of-the-city-and-south-london-railway/
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,813
    I told you all the cool kids had mullets this summer.....
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    Sticky out ear boy on London forecast saying 41 likely

    Happy with my betting position evens on max 40 to 42, 11.5 to beat 42. 40+ is nailed on so a tenner on each is effectively a free bet on the higher number and 42 doesn't seem entirely out of reach if 41 forecast
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,469

    Farooq said:

    Afternoon all! My 11yr old daughter has been having sailing lessons this weekend, so needed picking up from Peterhead at 4pm. So we went out after lunch and had a wander around Slains castle. https://www.undiscoveredscotland.co.uk/crudenbay/slainscastle/index.html

    This is a unique place - an imposing structure on top of sheer cliffs, a ruin for a century that you can wander around and even spiral staircases you can climb up floor after floor.

    The most boggling part - it is simply there. No access control, no custodian heritage organisation, nothing to stop you falling from the top of the tower or out a window down the cliffs.

    Every time I come, its always WOW.

    Yes, I know it well. If you have the guts to stand at the top of that tallest tower, you're braver than most. It's actually quite horrifying to be stood there with a 4 story drop one side and the spiral staircase ready to swallow you up in the other three directions. Any feeling of faintness and you're doomed, and not a rail or a warning sign in sight.
    And it was windy today! But at least its a solid structure. Yesterday I was filming at Findlater Castle https://www.undiscoveredscotland.co.uk/sandend/findlatercastle/index.html

    There is much less of it left standing, but its much more of a challenge. There used to be a drawbridge from the clifftop across to the promontory it was built on. Long gone, and the path is scrambly in places with no room for error. Then when you get there you're in rooms that are full of holes in the floor and drops out over the cliff if you start to slide...
    I passed that on my coastal walk (I think it's technically the *new* Slains Castle? - the 'old'' one is further north?) and it seems so perfect for restoration. It is crying out for renovation and reuse.

    I loved it. I only explored it for a few minutes as I was walking on, but it was so atmospheric.

    So: better as a ruin, or restored for reuse? Would Eilean Donan be better as a ruin or restored?
    Leave it be. There are literally dozens of castles to chose from. The ruins are something different, and wandering round you get to see how they built it - remains of floor joists and the sockets they used to go into, remains of fireplaces where you stare up the chimney etc.
    I actually disagree. There are many dozens of ruins, and they all cost money to upkeep. If you can, rebuild and reimagine the ones that can serve a new purpose - exactly like Eilean Donan was a century or more ago. Build a 21st Century castle based on the Victorian reimaging of the original 17th-Century castle. After all, it's not the first time it has been rebuilt.

    Structures without a purpose are pointless (although that 'purpose' can be heritage or tourism).
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,607
    pigeon said:

    The idiot Raab really did say all that nonsense about "enjoying the sunshine" tomorrow, didn't he? Granted, coming from the current Government it sounded plausible that it might be the case, but I nevertheless thought he might've been misreported.

    God, enough morons are going to try to go out and sunbathe in it and end up dead or overburdening the hospitals, without senior members of the Government offering encouragement. Which part of the level four health warning ("illness and death may occur among the fit and healthy, and not just in high-risk groups") did he not understand?

    My local news just had head of regional ambulance service (already on Black Alert) saying they are already swamped with dehydration cases even though that is something that is "entirely preventable".

    And this is the day before the Furnace of Hell arrives.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    pigeon said:

    The idiot Raab really did say all that nonsense about "enjoying the sunshine" tomorrow, didn't he? Granted, coming from the current Government it sounded plausible that it might be the case, but I nevertheless thought he might've been misreported.

    God, enough morons are going to try to go out and sunbathe in it and end up dead or overburdening the hospitals, without senior members of the Government offering encouragement. Which part of the level four health warning ("illness and death may occur among the fit and healthy, and not just in high-risk groups") did he not understand?

    He hadn't fully appreciated the importance of high ambient temps
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,037

    Sen. Ted Cruz says the Supreme Court was “clearly wrong” and “overreaching” when it legalized same-sex marriage nationwide.

    https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/1548676670575501318

    Interestingly, the area where there is the biggest gap between the old and the young on the Religious Right is homosexuality.

    Young Christians have gay friends. They may hate abortion, but they are much more accepting of homosexual lifestyles than their parents. And they don't even have a strong dislike of gay marriage (at least not like @Mick_Pork and aliases.)

    According to Pew, acceptance of homosexuality in the US has moved from 51% to 72% in a little more than two decades.

    It is also worth noting that the current Supreme Court appears to be significantly more pro-homosexuality than pro-choice. Neil Gorsuch authored (and Roberts and the liberals joined in concurrence) in the 2019 decision that extended workplace discrimination law to to include gay and transgender people.

    So, I'd be surprised if the Supreme Court decided to reopen this issue.

    Cynically, I think this is Ted Cruz trying to find another culture war issue to run with.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,552
    Kemi is quite titchy isn't she?
  • CiceroCicero Posts: 3,075

    Farooq said:

    Afternoon all! My 11yr old daughter has been having sailing lessons this weekend, so needed picking up from Peterhead at 4pm. So we went out after lunch and had a wander around Slains castle. https://www.undiscoveredscotland.co.uk/crudenbay/slainscastle/index.html

    This is a unique place - an imposing structure on top of sheer cliffs, a ruin for a century that you can wander around and even spiral staircases you can climb up floor after floor.

    The most boggling part - it is simply there. No access control, no custodian heritage organisation, nothing to stop you falling from the top of the tower or out a window down the cliffs.

    Every time I come, its always WOW.

    Yes, I know it well. If you have the guts to stand at the top of that tallest tower, you're braver than most. It's actually quite horrifying to be stood there with a 4 story drop one side and the spiral staircase ready to swallow you up in the other three directions. Any feeling of faintness and you're doomed, and not a rail or a warning sign in sight.
    And it was windy today! But at least its a solid structure. Yesterday I was filming at Findlater Castle https://www.undiscoveredscotland.co.uk/sandend/findlatercastle/index.html

    There is much less of it left standing, but its much more of a challenge. There used to be a drawbridge from the clifftop across to the promontory it was built on. Long gone, and the path is scrambly in places with no room for error. Then when you get there you're in rooms that are full of holes in the floor and drops out over the cliff if you start to slide...
    I passed that on my coastal walk (I think it's technically the *new* Slains Castle? - the 'old'' one is further north?) and it seems so perfect for restoration. It is crying out for renovation and reuse.

    I loved it. I only explored it for a few minutes as I was walking on, but it was so atmospheric.

    So: better as a ruin, or restored for reuse? Would Eilean Donan be better as a ruin or restored?
    Leave it be. There are literally dozens of castles to chose from. The ruins are something different, and wandering round you get to see how they built it - remains of floor joists and the sockets they used to go into, remains of fireplaces where you stare up the chimney etc.
    Slains was one of the inspirations for Dracula since Bram Stoker had been a visitor. Honestly there are more castles in the North East than we really know what to do with. Some do get restored by some determined, wealthy or mildly demented folk, but Slains particularly is a very atmospheric ruin (mostly I guess because it is not much more than 100 years ago since it became a ruin).
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,664
    edited July 2022
    Cheeseiest intro ever by Rishi, Liz a bit robotic, Tugendhat honest and to the point, Mordaunt a bit hesitant, Badenoch clear
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,469

    Eabhal said:


    ydoethur said:

    Tres said:

    Rail tracks have a tendency to misbehave in extreme heat.

    Yup, that's why my train was cancelled for Tuesday.
    @Sunil_Prasannan is going to be out of luck, isn't he?
    He cancelled his trip.
    FAKE NEWS!

    I managed to book a seat on Wednesday's train - LNER said I could use Tuesday's ticket on that train.

    Unfortunately, I had to shift my itinerararay by one day - I decided to fly back from Inverness to London on Saturday. Kyle train on Thursday unaffected, but had to book the Wick service again for Friday.

    Luckily, my hotel had free cancellation, so I just re-booked the three nights until Friday night instead of Thursday night hitherto.
    Fly?

    FLY?

    You have immediately lost all your railway cred. You should have taken the train or, for more points, the sleeper. ;)
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,755
    Rishi's introduction made me think I had signed up for Love Island by mistake.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,994
    edited July 2022
    Haha, the ITV start is hilarious. Getting the candidates to introduce themselves in pompous fashion with dramatic music banging in the background really made me chuckle.

    Also, since when was 2 years 7 months ago 'just over 2 years ago'.
  • state_go_awaystate_go_away Posts: 5,808
    pigeon said:

    The idiot Raab really did say all that nonsense about "enjoying the sunshine" tomorrow, didn't he? Granted, coming from the current Government it sounded plausible that it might be the case, but I nevertheless thought he might've been misreported.

    God, enough morons are going to try to go out and sunbathe in it and end up dead or overburdening the hospitals, without senior members of the Government offering encouragement. Which part of the level four health warning ("illness and death may occur among the fit and healthy, and not just in high-risk groups") did he not understand?

    oh calm down FGS
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,005

    Eabhal said:


    ydoethur said:

    Tres said:

    Rail tracks have a tendency to misbehave in extreme heat.

    Yup, that's why my train was cancelled for Tuesday.
    @Sunil_Prasannan is going to be out of luck, isn't he?
    He cancelled his trip.
    FAKE NEWS!

    I managed to book a seat on Wednesday's train - LNER said I could use Tuesday's ticket on that train.

    Unfortunately, I had to shift my itinerararay by one day - I decided to fly back from Inverness to London on Saturday. Kyle train on Thursday unaffected, but had to book the Wick service again for Friday.

    Luckily, my hotel had free cancellation, so I just re-booked the three nights until Friday night instead of Thursday night hitherto.
    Fly?

    FLY?

    You have immediately lost all your railway cred. You should have taken the train or, for more points, the sleeper. ;)
    Definitely the sleeper. In the seats. Seven nights in a row. That's what I used to do.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,607

    Half an hour till the big debate jamboree. I haven't felt so excited in years.

    Incredible, I tell you.

    Two predications, and you will see that I’m right.

    Tom Tugendhat will easily win debate.

    And Liz Trust will stand with her back to the audience, someone will enter stage right, turn her round at the lectern so she is facing the right way, and then exit stage right.
    I'm quite impressed with Tom Tugendhat so far. He seems to have a sort of bright understated decency, and you get quite a good sense of his underlying motivations and psychological health being a bit sounder than that of many politicians.

    Liz Truss could astonish us all by being good. This requires the favourite emoji of American teenagers - "popcorn".

    Penny needs to pay to her strengths , and relate.

    Kemi Badenoch needs to slow down a bit , and Rishi Sunak has to look just a fraction less like he's super-confident about everything.
    I reckon Tom is now the value bet at 110.

  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,745

    Betfair next prime minister
    2.76 Rishi Sunak 36%
    2.9 Penny Mordaunt 34%
    6.6 Liz Truss 15%
    7.6 Kemi Badenoch 13%
    95 Tom Tugendhat
    130 Dominic Raab

    To make the final two
    1.09 Rishi Sunak 92%
    1.5 Penny Mordaunt 67%
    3.05 Liz Truss 33%
    5.3 Kemi Badenoch 19%
    48 Tom Tugendhat

    Next PM
    2.58 Rishi Sunak 39%
    3.3 Penny Mordaunt 30%
    4.7 Liz Truss 21%
    8.4 Kemi Badenoch 12%
    110 Dominic Raab
    110 Tom Tugendhat

    Next Con leader
    2.58 Rishi Sunak 39%
    3.45 Penny Mordaunt 29%
    4.8 Liz Truss 21%
    8.2 Kemi Badenoch 12%
    100 Tom Tugendhat

    To make the final two
    1.07 Rishi Sunak 93%
    1.55 Penny Mordaunt 65%
    2.62 Liz Truss 38%
    5.8 Kemi Badenoch 17%
    90 Tom Tugendhat

    ETA we've mentioned this before but it is worth noting there is not enough money in these markets for the bot-writers to link them, so occasionally odd gaps open up.
    Pre-debate Betfair.

    Next PM
    2.54 Rishi Sunak 39%
    3.25 Penny Mordaunt 31%
    5.7 Liz Truss 18%
    8.8 Kemi Badenoch 11%
    100 Tom Tugendhat
    150 Dominic Raab

    Next Con Leader
    2.5 Rishi Sunak 40%
    3.15 Penny Mordaunt 32%
    5.5 Liz Truss 18%
    8.6 Kemi Badenoch 12%
    110 Tom Tugendhat

    To make the final two
    1.08 Rishi Sunak 93%
    1.66 Penny Mordaunt 60%
    2.64 Liz Truss 38%
    5.6 Kemi Badenoch 18%
    60 Tom Tugendhat
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,152
    Liz in red - she’s a socialist!
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,760

    DougSeal said:

    Foxy said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Metro
    @MetroUK
    Yesterday
    Londoners warned not to travel on Monday or Tuesday due to extreme heat ⚠️

    Is travel more dangerous if you're a Londoner or something ?

    I expect the tube will be pretty awful in the heat, buses too, rail is running at reduced speed, and sitting in a car running the AC quite popular.

    The origins of today’s deeper-seated problems date to 1890, when the first deep tunnels were built under the Thames from Stockwell to the City, on what is now known as the Northern Line. More tunnels bored at depths below 20 metres followed over the next century - on the Bakerloo, Central, Victoria, Waterloo & City, Jubilee and Piccadilly lines - to form today’s Deep Tube network.

    Temperatures were initially cool, and matched the ambient heat of the earth surrounding the tunnels (around 14°C in 1900). But that was before millions of passengers and a service frequency unimaginable to Victorian and Edwardian planners were added to the mix.

    Unbeknown to 19th century engineers, up to 79% of energy dissipated by trains, people and infrastructure is transferred to London’s native clay around the tunnel bores - thus the temperature of this giant heat sink has slowly climbed to today’s balmy average of 20-25°C.

    Without the valuable gift of hindsight, LU’s early engineers failed to provide adequate ventilation to dissipate this heat, and mid-tunnel shafts were either too few in number or non-existent.


    https://www.railmagazine.com/infrastructure/stations/cooling-the-tube
    They were also built far too narrow - 12ft as opposed to 16ft, meaning you now have teeny-weeny trains wending their way as far away from Central London as Heathrow (Piccadilly line only), Epping, Stanmore, Edgware and Morden.

    One early tube railway that was built to 16ft was the Northern City Line between Finsbury Park and Moorgate. So at least that, along with the new Elizabeth Line, has proper-sized trains. Oh and an honorable mention for the main-line Heathrow stations opened between 1998 and 2008.
    100 years ago they widened one of the Northern Line tunnels - amazingly, between trains. Until one of the tunnels collapsed. Only then did they close the line completely to do the work...

    https://www.eurogunzel.com/2022/01/enlarging-the-tunnels-of-the-city-and-south-london-railway/
    Yes, the CSLR was built to considerably less than 12ft when it first opened!

    If I had unlimited power and resources, I would re-bore the whole bally lot of the Bakerloo, Central, Jubilee, Northern, Piccadilly, Victoria, and the Waterloo & City lines to 16ft.

    Um, if I had unlimited power and resources!
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,469
    has he seen the pictures of he shirtless Putin on horseback? Does he think that's (ahem) totally straight? ;)
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,994
    Foxy said:

    Kemi is quite titchy isn't she?

    None of them seem very tall, maybe 5' 8" max.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    Pulpstar said:

    Metro
    @MetroUK
    Yesterday
    Londoners warned not to travel on Monday or Tuesday due to extreme heat ⚠️

    Is travel more dangerous if you're a Londoner or something ?

    More likely to get caught underground in a stalled train in London that in most of rest of UK?
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    tlg86 said:

    Liz in red - she’s a socialist!

    I am sure there is a Maggie precedent
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,607
    tlg86 said:

    Liz in red - she’s a socialist!

    I'm sure one of our regular PBers predicted she would be in red for 2nd debate earlier this week?
  • RazedabodeRazedabode Posts: 3,027
    This really is a crap format.

    Very.. American?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,813
    edited July 2022
    kle4 said:

    Foxy said:

    Kemi is quite titchy isn't she?

    None of them seem very tall, maybe 5' 8" max.
    Good job Simon Clarke isn't standing in this race....It would be Gulliver visits Liliput.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,607
    I'm going to watch on ITV+1 - so I'm dipping out for a bit.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,745
    kle4 said:

    Foxy said:

    Kemi is quite titchy isn't she?

    None of them seem very tall, maybe 5' 8" max.
    But it is all muscle.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,994

    kle4 said:

    Foxy said:

    Kemi is quite titchy isn't she?

    None of them seem very tall, maybe 5' 8" max.
    Good job Simon Clarke isn't standing in this race....
    He's definitely not getting the Chancellor gig if Rishi wins.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,664
    Truss hits Sunak on raising tax
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,745
    tlg86 said:

    Liz in red - she’s a socialist!

    Kemi's hair is down.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,845
    Fight!
  • EndillionEndillion Posts: 4,976
    edited July 2022
    Some distinction is being drawn by the candidates between "cost of living" and "inflation" that seems largely meaningless to me.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,994
    edited July 2022
    Liz: You[Sunak] have raised taxes, but I opposed it

    Me: But you think Boris was as great Prime Minister, and he must have supported that. And you would have been happy to defend it to keep your Cabinet seat.

    I get the impression it will be gang up on Rishi - candidates are competing to get the anti-RIshi vote.
  • jonny83jonny83 Posts: 1,270
    Blue on Blue fight!
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,005

    Eabhal said:


    ydoethur said:

    Tres said:

    Rail tracks have a tendency to misbehave in extreme heat.

    Yup, that's why my train was cancelled for Tuesday.
    @Sunil_Prasannan is going to be out of luck, isn't he?
    He cancelled his trip.
    FAKE NEWS!

    I managed to book a seat on Wednesday's train - LNER said I could use Tuesday's ticket on that train.

    Unfortunately, I had to shift my itinerararay by one day - I decided to fly back from Inverness to London on Saturday. Kyle train on Thursday unaffected, but had to book the Wick service again for Friday.

    Luckily, my hotel had free cancellation, so I just re-booked the three nights until Friday night instead of Thursday night hitherto.
    Have great trip and enjoy those final bits of yellow-penning. Not quite the same as going to Kyle behind a Class 26, but it isn't 1982.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,437
    Farooq said:

    Truss looks ill. Someone joked about her shitting herself on stage. It's not 100% guaranteed not to happen.

    This is the kind of hard hitting analysis I come here for
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,325
    HYUFD said:

    Truss hits Sunak on raising tax

    Mordaunt is right on the need for immediate action. It’s just blether at the moment.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,437
    Labour are going to have a great time using this footage of the candidates attacking each other in their election broadcasts.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,845

    I'm going to watch on ITV+1 - so I'm dipping out for a bit.

    They should do an ITV-1, then you could tell us how it went?
  • OnboardG1OnboardG1 Posts: 1,589

    tlg86 said:

    Liz in red - she’s a socialist!

    I'm sure one of our regular PBers predicted she would be in red for 2nd debate earlier this week?
    That was me… but I was joking that’s she would look like a vampire.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,005
    tlg86 said:

    Liz in red - she’s a socialist!

    I called it yesterday!
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,745
    Farooq said:

    Truss looks ill. Someone joked about her shitting herself on stage. It's not 100% guaranteed not to happen.

    Liz Truss talks like she is French. Short, regular phrases with pauses in between, which sounds wrong.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,845

    Farooq said:

    Truss looks ill. Someone joked about her shitting herself on stage. It's not 100% guaranteed not to happen.

    This is the kind of hard hitting analysis I come here for
    With Leon banned, this is as good as it gets!
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559

    Somewhere beyond admitting error: Louisiana Governor Earl Long -- for whom words like "colorful", and "eccentric", are insufficient -- once campaigned promising no new taxes. After inauguration, he immediately called for a tax increase.

    When reporters contfronted him about this, he said, simply: "Boys, I lied!" Which, I have to admit with some embarrassment, I like.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earl_Long

    Casting Paul Newman to play Uncle Earl in "Blaze" was arguably even more ridiculous than Sean Penn portraying "Willie Stark" (aka The Kingfish, Earl's big bro Huey) in the movie remake of "All the King's Men".
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,152
    Sunak compares Penny to Corbin. That should kill of Penny’s chances.
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,332

    This seems like the kind of evening in London where someone will be having a giant public barbecue in a public park. If I head towards Primrose Hill way I expect to spell the waft of charcoal-grilling chicken and live music.

    You'll probably see Leon atop Primrose Hill, arms aloft, screaming: "PB, let me back in!".
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,994
    edited July 2022

    This really is a crap format.

    Very.. American?

    What format would be better?

    Rishi is going to spend a lot of time trying to get back in, after being attacked. Kemi was at least kinder by admitting no easy choices.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,005

    tlg86 said:

    Liz in red - she’s a socialist!

    I'm sure one of our regular PBers predicted she would be in red for 2nd debate earlier this week?
    I did!
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,699
    Rishi saying Truss and Penny going further than Jeremy Corbyn!
  • NeilVWNeilVW Posts: 732

    This really is a crap format.

    Very.. American?

    Seems a bit punchier than C4’s effort.
  • EndillionEndillion Posts: 4,976
    Sunak having loads of fun calling his opponents socialists and Corbynites.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    kle4 said:

    Foxy said:

    Kemi is quite titchy isn't she?

    None of them seem very tall, maybe 5' 8" max.
    See also Tom Cruise. Shorties apparently look good on camera cos their heads are disproportionately big
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,437
    edited July 2022
    Corbyn lives rent free in these people’s heads
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,745
    IanB2 said:

    I'm going to watch on ITV+1 - so I'm dipping out for a bit.

    They should do an ITV-1, then you could tell us how it went?
    It would come in handy for the horseracing as well.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,308
    MikeL said:

    Rishi saying Truss and Penny going further than Jeremy Corbyn!

    So they're continuity Johnson?
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,325
    Truss comes over as quite cold.
  • OrkaOrka Posts: 10
    IanB2 said:

    Farooq said:

    Truss looks ill. Someone joked about her shitting herself on stage. It's not 100% guaranteed not to happen.

    This is the kind of hard hitting analysis I come here for
    With Leon banned, this is as good as it gets!
    Banned???
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,745
    NeilVW said:

    This really is a crap format.

    Very.. American?

    Seems a bit punchier than C4’s effort.
    ITV only has an hour before Murder in Provence, so they have to keep it moving.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,755
    Kemi spot on about the BoE.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,911
    Cruel, but..


  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,152
    Sunak defending the BoE. Booo!
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 6,807
    Truss: and that’s why I….. [awkward pause] would do a goodjob [awkward grimace]”.

    I’ve seen molasses with more fluidity.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,308
    Taz said:

    Truss comes over as quite cold.

    Wait until someone mentions cheese, then she gets really passionate.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,994
    edited July 2022
    I think Truss comes across as pretty confident.

    Though she did just criticise low growth for decades, so another one who cannot remember who has been in power for so long. As Tom points out.

    Sunak trying a bit too hard to do his 'only adult in the room' schtick I think.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,760

    Eabhal said:


    ydoethur said:

    Tres said:

    Rail tracks have a tendency to misbehave in extreme heat.

    Yup, that's why my train was cancelled for Tuesday.
    @Sunil_Prasannan is going to be out of luck, isn't he?
    He cancelled his trip.
    FAKE NEWS!

    I managed to book a seat on Wednesday's train - LNER said I could use Tuesday's ticket on that train.

    Unfortunately, I had to shift my itinerararay by one day - I decided to fly back from Inverness to London on Saturday. Kyle train on Thursday unaffected, but had to book the Wick service again for Friday.

    Luckily, my hotel had free cancellation, so I just re-booked the three nights until Friday night instead of Thursday night hitherto.
    Have great trip and enjoy those final bits of yellow-penning. Not quite the same as going to Kyle behind a Class 26, but it isn't 1982.
    Thanks - just hoping the Inverness LNER doesn't have a SIX hour delay like it did last Monday (sans-heatwave).
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,152
    DavidL said:

    Kemi spot on about the BoE.

    Nice for this to actually be discussed for once. I don’t agree with Rishi’s assessment of the BoE. It’s no good saying they’ve done a good job when inflation is at 10%.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,845
    Taz said:

    Truss comes over as quite cold.

    She’s fresh out of the freezer
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,437
    Investment, innovation, and education aye.
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,325
    Orka said:

    IanB2 said:

    Farooq said:

    Truss looks ill. Someone joked about her shitting herself on stage. It's not 100% guaranteed not to happen.

    This is the kind of hard hitting analysis I come here for
    With Leon banned, this is as good as it gets!
    Banned???
    I’m relatively new here but older heads seem to think he has had many banned Accounts here and always rejoined so he will probably be back soon. Won’t he 🤫
  • RazedabodeRazedabode Posts: 3,027
    Errr.. have we not just had a pandemic Truss?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,308

    Truss: and that’s why I….. [awkward pause] would do a goodjob [awkward grimace]”.

    I’ve seen molasses with more fluidity.

    *Nobly refrains from punning *
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Fetterman is slaughtering Oz in Pennsylvania.

    Don't know how this is translating to polls but it is hilarious.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,755
    tlg86 said:

    DavidL said:

    Kemi spot on about the BoE.

    Nice for this to actually be discussed for once. I don’t agree with Rishi’s assessment of the BoE. It’s no good saying they’ve done a good job when inflation is at 10%.
    Agree. But the teamwork between Kemi and Rishi is once again evident.
  • pigeonpigeon Posts: 4,835

    pigeon said:

    The idiot Raab really did say all that nonsense about "enjoying the sunshine" tomorrow, didn't he? Granted, coming from the current Government it sounded plausible that it might be the case, but I nevertheless thought he might've been misreported.

    God, enough morons are going to try to go out and sunbathe in it and end up dead or overburdening the hospitals, without senior members of the Government offering encouragement. Which part of the level four health warning ("illness and death may occur among the fit and healthy, and not just in high-risk groups") did he not understand?

    oh calm down FGS
    Really? Is there any degree of idiocy coming from people who are meant to be in a responsible position that you would actually condemn as ill-advised? If, perhaps, the Transport Secretary were to suggest using the nation's railway lines and motorways as convenient footpaths for pedestrians to walk down the middle of, might this not constitute a faux pas?

    Obviously people ought to know better, but a lot of our fellow citizens are very, very dense - hence the post a few minutes back reporting that ambulance services are already being swamped with thick as mince punters suffering from dehydration because they failed to compute that hot weather = drink something. Government ministers ought not to be encouraging stupidity, because it will cause more stupidity to happen.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,745
    Tom would make a good speechwriter for whoever does win.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,994
    Feels like Tom is not planning to push himself or ramble on, possibly planning for punchier lines to circulate.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,845
    ydoethur said:

    Taz said:

    Truss comes over as quite cold.

    Wait until someone mentions cheese, then she gets really passionate.
    I know!
  • EndillionEndillion Posts: 4,976
    tlg86 said:

    DavidL said:

    Kemi spot on about the BoE.

    Nice for this to actually be discussed for once. I don’t agree with Rishi’s assessment of the BoE. It’s no good saying they’ve done a good job when inflation is at 10%.
    Not like any other central bank is doing any better.
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,325
    ydoethur said:

    Taz said:

    Truss comes over as quite cold.

    Wait until someone mentions cheese, then she gets really passionate.
    Don’t we all.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,886
    IanB2 said:

    Farooq said:

    Truss looks ill. Someone joked about her shitting herself on stage. It's not 100% guaranteed not to happen.

    This is the kind of hard hitting analysis I come here for
    With Leon banned, this is as good as it gets!
    1. When did he get banned
    2. Is it a ban or the sin bin
    3. If its a ban lets celebrate his Whovian power of regeneration
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,278
    Truss better than Friday night.

    Penny again slightly taking a backseat and a bit platitude like.

    Sunak very confident.
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