The format is a bit shit (I felt the intro was a bit Krypton Factor-y) but at least it feels like a different flavour and not a total re-tread of the C4 debate. But some of the questioning is a bit...indirect. Like, "I'll drop this clanger over here and see if anyone's stupid enough to pipe up".
The Liz line about duty to stay in post during a crisis is utter nonsense. She is saying that no matter what happens, no matter what a PM does, you can never resign? What a load of bollocks.
She is dire.
I wonder what she died of, before they brought her back to life?
I'd just like to point out that I am in fact the carefully constructed seventh sock-puppet of Leon, and I resent these interlopers pretending to be me pretending to be someone else, when I am that other fake person faking an identity, not some cheap fake. I hope that is clear.
You have a full stop at the end of your paragraph. You're pathetic, not even a good fake of the fake guy who was faking someone. I am the real fake fake guy faking that fake. Not you, you bloody fake
Don't know how this is translating to polls but it is hilarious.
There was an AARP poll out yesterday that shows Oz six points behind. Worth noting that the AARP shows the Republicans doing very well in the Congressional ballot. So, it would appear that there are a meaningful number of Republicans that - for one reason or another - just don't like Oz.
Oz won nomination by inches, and has done little to nothing in reaching out to consolidate the GOP base, or anything else frankly.
Politico ran a story about this a couple weeks ago or so, in particular about Republican wise-guy angst about Oz's slow (rather nonexistent) post-primary campaign. Which is in stark contrast to Fetterman, even though HE is still recovering from his stroke.
The format is a bit shit (I felt the intro was a bit Krypton Factor-y) but at least it feels like a different flavour and not a total re-tread of the C4 debate. But some of the questioning is a bit...indirect. Like, "I'll drop this clanger over here and see if anyone's stupid enough to pipe up".
They need to let them go at it: Candidate A: some waffle Candidate B: thats not true Candidate C: tell the truth Liz Candidate in the army we ran up a code red on the likes of you etc
Interesting angle from Mordaunt to say she is the only one to win a Labour seat - a red wall pitch.
Liz causing the moderator to laugh out loud with her talk of not attacking fellow conservatives. Very unconvincing evasion about her campaign being negative. Her talk of Reagan seems a clear attempt to try to grab a Thatcher comparison.
Rishi perhaps unwise to focus at such length about his family wealth. I get he is making it a positive, but its a relatively large amount of airtime to use up on reminding people you are uber wealthy.
Don't know how this is translating to polls but it is hilarious.
There was an AARP poll out yesterday that shows Oz six points behind. Worth noting that the AARP shows the Republicans doing very well in the Congressional ballot and the Governor's race. So, it would appear that there are a meaningful number of Republicans that - for one reason or another - just don't like Oz.
Oz is not a great candidate and it's not helped by the fact he lives in NJ.
Fetterman though has severe questions over his health. Still a question mark whether he pulls out or not.
Fetterman has been pummeling Oz on TV for weeks. Oz response is so far . . . zilch.
Truss looks ill. Someone joked about her shitting herself on stage. It's not 100% guaranteed not to happen.
This is the kind of hard hitting analysis I come here for
With Leon banned, this is as good as it gets!
1. When did he get banned 2. Is it a ban or the sin bin 3. If its a ban lets celebrate his Whovian power of regeneration
We want @Leon !! Not the same without his hyperbole.
He **at on his own doorstep.
Telling someone British (half-British) who had moved overseas to the US but was commenting about the UK that he should eff off and stop posting and that he had no credentials to post on domestic British matters.
It could only have got worse had he opined that ********* were a crap band.
I'd just like to point out that I am in fact the carefully constructed seventh sock-puppet of Leon, and I resent these interlopers pretending to be me pretending to be someone else, when I am that other fake person faking an identity, not some cheap fake. I hope that is clear.
You have a full stop at the end of your paragraph. You're pathetic, not even a good fake of the fake guy who was faking someone. I am the real fake fake guy faking that fake. Not you, you bloody fake
SEE, NO FULL STOP
Ah, fuck, I've accidentally travelled to that Star Trek mirror universe thing again, haven't I?
Truss looks ill. Someone joked about her shitting herself on stage. It's not 100% guaranteed not to happen.
This is the kind of hard hitting analysis I come here for
With Leon banned, this is as good as it gets!
Banned???
I’m relatively new here but older heads seem to think he has had many banned Accounts here and always rejoined so he will probably be back soon. Won’t he 🤫
Let’s hope he doesn’t find himself beached, with any new moniker.
Am I the only one who finds Truss' speaking manner really, really irritating? Whiny and a poor voice.
I said earlier Truss sounds French with her short phrases of regular length, interspersed with pauses. But there might be another explanation: is she a smoker who gets short of breath?
I'd just like to point out that I am in fact the carefully constructed seventh sock-puppet of Leon, and I resent these interlopers pretending to be me pretending to be someone else, when I am that other fake person faking an identity, not some cheap fake. I hope that is clear.
You have a full stop at the end of your paragraph. You're pathetic, not even a good fake of the fake guy who was faking someone. I am the real fake fake guy faking that fake. Not you, you bloody fake
SEE, NO FULL STOP
Ah, fuck, I've accidentally travelled to that Star Trek mirror universe thing again, haven't I?
I'd just like to point out that I am in fact the carefully constructed seventh sock-puppet of Leon, and I resent these interlopers pretending to be me pretending to be someone else, when I am that other fake person faking an identity, not some cheap fake. I hope that is clear.
Sunak understandably a bit shaky about his wife's tax position. Mordaunt "did not have the platform of the others" - eh? Oooh, Badenoch goes for the "fed up debating Brexit" vote! Truss goes for "delivery" again, FFS - but maybe it helps to repeat?
I was asked in a YouGov poll whether I'd support Boris being given a Cabinet post. I suspect it was bad news, as none of them put their hands up to say they would give him one.
Penny the most pathetic about it though, desperate to come in and try to explain herself (even though it was a hands up only question).
I would support putting Boris in a Cabinet, and then locking it.
I'd just like to point out that I am in fact the carefully constructed seventh sock-puppet of Leon, and I resent these interlopers pretending to be me pretending to be someone else, when I am that other fake person faking an identity, not some cheap fake. I hope that is clear.
You have a full stop at the end of your paragraph. You're pathetic, not even a good fake of the fake guy who was faking someone. I am the real fake fake guy faking that fake. Not you, you bloody fake
SEE, NO FULL STOP
Ah, fuck, I've accidentally travelled to that Star Trek mirror universe thing again, haven't I?
Check the mirror for a goatee.
Aren't goaty beards symmetrical? How will you tell?
I was asked in a YouGov poll whether I'd support Boris being given a Cabinet post. I suspect it was bad news, as none of them put their hands up to say they would give him one.
Penny the most pathetic about it though, desperate to come in and try to explain herself (even though it was a hands up only question).
I would support putting Boris in a Cabinet, and then locking it.
Truss looks ill. Someone joked about her shitting herself on stage. It's not 100% guaranteed not to happen.
This is the kind of hard hitting analysis I come here for
With Leon banned, this is as good as it gets!
Banned???
I’m relatively new here but older heads seem to think he has had many banned Accounts here and always rejoined so he will probably be back soon. Won’t he 🤫
It's a combination of banned by the mod, and embarrassed by himself.
Strongest moment for Kemi going after Sunak on Covid fraud, she's been invisible.
I think his answer is decent - they had to move very quickly after all.
His question to Liz was lame and a big mistake - about her being a LD and remainer in the past and which she regretted. That's easy to bounce back on, and looks petty.
I'd just like to point out that I am in fact the carefully constructed seventh sock-puppet of Leon, and I resent these interlopers pretending to be me pretending to be someone else, when I am that other fake person faking an identity, not some cheap fake. I hope that is clear.
You have a full stop at the end of your paragraph. You're pathetic, not even a good fake of the fake guy who was faking someone. I am the real fake fake guy faking that fake. Not you, you bloody fake
SEE, NO FULL STOP
Ah, fuck, I've accidentally travelled to that Star Trek mirror universe thing again, haven't I?
Check the mirror for a goatee.
Aren't goaty beards symmetrical? How will you tell?
Common sci fi trope in mirror universes for your double to have a goatee.
Ouch, that's a truly nasty question from Sunak, very spiteful.
Truss trying to get back over education, overlooking that she was a Lib Dem at uni.
FFS, mentioning the maths gcse though, that's been an absolute catastrophe. Doesn't work on any level at all, including setting up for further study. Also not reliable in the marking. Never mention that as it's a serious black mark.
Just switched in the ITV debate late… and the candidates are getting to ask each other questions! This is a fun format. Badenoch attacks Sunak. Sunak attacks Truss…
Truss doing better here. The red dress is a better choice! And she’s ripping into Sunak in return.
Then Truss questions Sunak. They’re really bringing up interesting issues. Let’s have this in all the debates.
Truss looks ill. Someone joked about her shitting herself on stage. It's not 100% guaranteed not to happen.
This is the kind of hard hitting analysis I come here for
With Leon banned, this is as good as it gets!
Banned???
I’m relatively new here but older heads seem to think he has had many banned Accounts here and always rejoined so he will probably be back soon. Won’t he 🤫
It's a combination of banned by the mod, and embarrassed by himself.
He never quite struck me as having that level of self awareness
That tells you all you need to know about who they see as the most likely winner.
But - it does mean he's going to be dominating this conversation and able to lay out his stall on a wide range of things. Tactical error by the others.
Edit - you bastard, Tugendhat, you ruined this post.
Ouch, that's a truly nasty question from Sunak, very spiteful.
Truss trying to get back over education, overlooking that she was a Lib Dem at uni.
FFS, mentioning the maths gcse though, that's been an absolute catastrophe. Doesn't work on any level at all, including setting up for further study. Also not reliable in the marking. Never mention that as it's a serious black mark.
Truss was schooled, mainly, under the Tories as well. So any lack of opportunity is down to them.
Interesting angle from Mordaunt to say she is the only one to win a Labour seat - a red wall pitch.
Liz causing the moderator to laugh out loud with her talk of not attacking fellow conservatives. Very unconvincing evasion about her campaign being negative. Her talk of Reagan seems a clear attempt to try to grab a Thatcher comparison.
How long before LT tells another hopeful tonight, "There you go again!"
Mordaunt also asks her question to Sunak. Do they all see him as the one to beat? It’s a good tactic to go after the frontrunner, but it also gives Sunak more screen time.
Ah, but Tugendhat asks his question to Mordaunt! His is the least interesting question. The others went for the jugular.
(You wouldn’t know Truss is younger than Mordaunt.)
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Politico ran a story about this a couple weeks ago or so, in particular about Republican wise-guy angst about Oz's slow (rather nonexistent) post-primary campaign. Which is in stark contrast to Fetterman, even though HE is still recovering from his stroke.
Candidate A: some waffle
Candidate B: thats not true
Candidate C: tell the truth Liz
Candidate
etc
In fairness she doesn't edit the Mail
Liz causing the moderator to laugh out loud with her talk of not attacking fellow conservatives. Very unconvincing evasion about her campaign being negative. Her talk of Reagan seems a clear attempt to try to grab a Thatcher comparison.
Truss just reminded the ERG she is a remain voter.
Telling someone British (half-British) who had moved overseas to the US but was commenting about the UK that he should eff off and stop posting and that he had no credentials to post on domestic British matters.
It could only have got worse had he opined that ********* were a crap band.
A good question though for members, as the idea Rishi and she are not solid Brexiteers is silly.
Kemi talking my language about not banging on about Brexit, but not sure who she is pitching that too in the party.
Strong answer for Truss - she has reinforced she delivers for Brexiteers.
Penny, Kemi and Tom are just too inexperienced.
Sunak probably the least worst choice, imo.
He's channelling Gordon Brown, yet again. And not in a good way.
Dog whistle
Love it.
I think his answer is decent - they had to move very quickly after all.
His question to Liz was lame and a big mistake - about her being a LD and remainer in the past and which she regretted. That's easy to bounce back on, and looks petty.
Truss trying to get back over education, overlooking that she was a Lib Dem at uni.
FFS, mentioning the maths gcse though, that's been an absolute catastrophe. Doesn't work on any level at all, including setting up for further study. Also not reliable in the marking. Never mention that as it's a serious black mark.
Rishi’s question was pathetic.
Truss doing better here. The red dress is a better choice! And she’s ripping into Sunak in return.
Then Truss questions Sunak. They’re really bringing up interesting issues. Let’s have this in all the debates.
That tells you all you need to know about who they see as the most likely winner.
But - it does mean he's going to be dominating this conversation and able to lay out his stall on a wide range of things. Tactical error by the others.
Edit - you bastard, Tugendhat, you ruined this post.
I’m pretty sure TT will endorse Penny once he goes out .
Openly laughed at
Ah, but Tugendhat asks his question to Mordaunt! His is the least interesting question. The others went for the jugular.
(You wouldn’t know Truss is younger than Mordaunt.)