I thought Tugendhat was posh, stiff, formal and about 20 years out of date.
Maybe it's nostalgia.
I agree. I felt he is stupid. Just stupid. Why am I even bothering to sugar the pill? He's DIM
I know his type and he's like Ben Wallace. Fucking stupid if above average - IQ about 120 - but due to posh class status they over-estimate themselves by an order of magnitude. I often wonder if Cameron was the same
I was pleasantly surprised at Tom. Needs to cut down on the smiling a bit but otherwise came across as kind, sincere and honest.
Also, good glassmanship
I thought Kemi scored points by turning out in that nice yellow. wtf were the other women thinking, going all drab when you don't have to?
Truss should have turned up in a red evening dress to maximise the impression of unhinged, vampiric lunacy.
I thought Truss dressed like the kind of teacher you hated at school. Mordaunt dressed like the head teacher. I hated the fact that Sunak didn’t wear a tie. You know full well he has thousands of pounds worth in his walking in wardrobe but was told that he’d look cooler if he didn’t wear one.
covid has killed ties, only salesmen wear them these days
Time to kill them off for good. In today’s enlightened times, why shoul smart dress for people who identify as female be a floaty summer dress, and for mean a suit and tie? Business attire is changing, and for the better. What is the point of a tie?
Edit: posted after wearing said tie for 10 hours at graduation today...
Business attire for my office is assorted outdoor casual. Scientists know how to dress. Mine is a shop coat and steelies because getting solder on your shirt is not ideal.
Does anyone think Truss could be next out after that?
No. The hardcore ERG types have nowhere else to go.
Kemi. She'll pick up a lot of those braverman votes and probably quite a few of the TT votes as well. I wouldn't be surprised if the final three becomes Kemi, Rishi and Penny and a final two of Rishi vs one of the other two.
Not convinced. The Right isn't a monolithic bloc. I'm not convinced (admittedly from the little that I've seen so far) that Badenoch is sufficiently committed to shit stirring about Europe to the exclusion of everything else for the taste of some.
I was pleasantly surprised at Tom. Needs to cut down on the smiling a bit but otherwise came across as kind, sincere and honest.
Also, good glassmanship
I thought Kemi scored points by turning out in that nice yellow. wtf were the other women thinking, going all drab when you don't have to?
Truss should have turned up in a red evening dress to maximise the impression of unhinged, vampiric lunacy.
I thought Truss dressed like the kind of teacher you hated at school. Mordaunt dressed like the head teacher. I hated the fact that Sunak didn’t wear a tie. You know full well he has thousands of pounds worth in his walking in wardrobe but was told that he’d look cooler if he didn’t wear one.
covid has killed ties, only salesmen wear them these days
It's a good point. I wonder if the necktie is going the way of the hat, after Spanish flu
From universal to invisible, in a couple of decades (but accelerated here)
Yeah. Saw someone in the street today in a small Northumberland town wearing one. Without a suit. Not in an obvious professional capacity. It could have been spatterdashers.
I was pleasantly surprised at Tom. Needs to cut down on the smiling a bit but otherwise came across as kind, sincere and honest.
Also, good glassmanship
I thought Kemi scored points by turning out in that nice yellow. wtf were the other women thinking, going all drab when you don't have to?
Truss should have turned up in a red evening dress to maximise the impression of unhinged, vampiric lunacy.
I thought Truss dressed like the kind of teacher you hated at school. Mordaunt dressed like the head teacher. I hated the fact that Sunak didn’t wear a tie. You know full well he has thousands of pounds worth in his walking in wardrobe but was told that he’d look cooler if he didn’t wear one.
covid has killed ties, only salesmen wear them these days
Time to kill them off for good. In today’s enlightened times, why shoul smart dress for people who identify as female be a floaty summer dress, and for mean a suit and tie? Business attire is changing, and for the better. What is the point of a tie?
Edit: posted after wearing said tie for 10 hours at graduation today...
I like wearing a suit and tie, I feel more productive as I mentally switch into work mode. But the tie at least will not remain a ubiquitous part of business attire, I am sure.
I was pleasantly surprised at Tom. Needs to cut down on the smiling a bit but otherwise came across as kind, sincere and honest.
Also, good glassmanship
I thought Kemi scored points by turning out in that nice yellow. wtf were the other women thinking, going all drab when you don't have to?
Truss should have turned up in a red evening dress to maximise the impression of unhinged, vampiric lunacy.
I thought Truss dressed like the kind of teacher you hated at school. Mordaunt dressed like the head teacher. I hated the fact that Sunak didn’t wear a tie. You know full well he has thousands of pounds worth in his walking in wardrobe but was told that he’d look cooler if he didn’t wear one.
covid has killed ties, only salesmen wear them these days
It's a good point. I wonder if the necktie is going the way of the hat, after Spanish flu
From universal to invisible, in a couple of decades (but accelerated here)
Bugger, I have a collection of around 300 interesting and beautiful ties,
Prediction: it will be Mordaunt v Sunak in the final two, and Mordaunt will win, because the Tories don't want yet another posh banker type as PM, and Penny will remind them of Maggie
Not sure anything tonight has changed that
I think you are right about the final 2. But a GE is coming soon and I don't think PM4PM is PM material. She is not intellectually nimble enoughor on top of the issues , in my view.
The members will surely have an eye to who might win the next GE - not just who they prefer?
I was pleasantly surprised at Tom. Needs to cut down on the smiling a bit but otherwise came across as kind, sincere and honest.
Also, good glassmanship
I thought Kemi scored points by turning out in that nice yellow. wtf were the other women thinking, going all drab when you don't have to?
Truss should have turned up in a red evening dress to maximise the impression of unhinged, vampiric lunacy.
I thought Truss dressed like the kind of teacher you hated at school. Mordaunt dressed like the head teacher. I hated the fact that Sunak didn’t wear a tie. You know full well he has thousands of pounds worth in his walking in wardrobe but was told that he’d look cooler if he didn’t wear one.
covid has killed ties, only salesmen wear them these days
Time to kill them off for good. In today’s enlightened times, why shoul smart dress for people who identify as female be a floaty summer dress, and for mean a suit and tie? Business attire is changing, and for the better. What is the point of a tie?
Edit: posted after wearing said tie for 10 hours at graduation today...
For most men the tie could be the only thing of any colour that they wear in smart dress. It would be a retrograde to get rid of it, unless bright colours for suits were to become the norm.
I was pleasantly surprised at Tom. Needs to cut down on the smiling a bit but otherwise came across as kind, sincere and honest.
Also, good glassmanship
I thought Kemi scored points by turning out in that nice yellow. wtf were the other women thinking, going all drab when you don't have to?
Truss should have turned up in a red evening dress to maximise the impression of unhinged, vampiric lunacy.
I thought Truss dressed like the kind of teacher you hated at school. Mordaunt dressed like the head teacher. I hated the fact that Sunak didn’t wear a tie. You know full well he has thousands of pounds worth in his walking in wardrobe but was told that he’d look cooler if he didn’t wear one.
The tie is the most useless and irrelevant item of clothing known to mankind. It’s time it went the way of the hansom cab and the flintlock musket.
Does anyone think Truss could be next out after that?
No. The hardcore ERG types have nowhere else to go.
Kemi. She'll pick up a lot of those braverman votes and probably quite a few of the TT votes as well. I wouldn't be surprised if the final three becomes Kemi, Rishi and Penny and a final two of Rishi vs one of the other two.
There was something very flirty about Kemi saying to TT "he'll think differently when he's a minister." My dream is they have now hooked up at the afterparty and will announce a joint bid in the morning
I looked at the horse in High Plains Drifter. A fancy quarter horse. They are bred for speed over short distance (quarter mile racing, hence the name), roping, and barrel racing. High back end for power and turning. No good for jumping or dressage where you want the withers (shoulders) higher than the butt. But quarter horses are the biggest breed in the US and the best ones go for mega bucks.
With my Labour hat on, I was most worried about Penny winning, and that spelling trouble for Labour.
I'm not worried any more. Very underwhelming, I thought, and would be out of her depth as PM.
Whereas Kemi Badenoch has demonstrated why she is a very real threat.
You must be joking?
Kemi was truly awful on the NHS question - asked about the current crisis and backlog, people with potentially life-threatening cancer diagnoses having to wait well beyond the target times for referrals, people with heart attacks waiting five hours for an ambulance - she started talking about her own chipped tooth. Honestly! No PM could ever live down such self-obsessed blindness to others' serious health concerns.
I thought Tugendhat was posh, stiff, formal and about 20 years out of date.
Maybe it's nostalgia.
I agree. I felt he is stupid. Just stupid. Why am I even bothering to sugar the pill? He's DIM
I know his type and he's like Ben Wallace. Fucking stupid if above average - IQ about 120 - but due to posh class status they over-estimate themselves by an order of magnitude. I often wonder if Cameron was the same
Yes but posh, patrician but not super bright PMs are often reasonably good eg Macmillan, Blair and Cameron, arguably Attlee and Churchill.
The most intelligent PM we have had in the last 40 years was probably the non posh Gordon Brown which says it all
I was pleasantly surprised at Tom. Needs to cut down on the smiling a bit but otherwise came across as kind, sincere and honest.
Also, good glassmanship
I thought Kemi scored points by turning out in that nice yellow. wtf were the other women thinking, going all drab when you don't have to?
Truss should have turned up in a red evening dress to maximise the impression of unhinged, vampiric lunacy.
I thought Truss dressed like the kind of teacher you hated at school. Mordaunt dressed like the head teacher. I hated the fact that Sunak didn’t wear a tie. You know full well he has thousands of pounds worth in his walking in wardrobe but was told that he’d look cooler if he didn’t wear one.
covid has killed ties, only salesmen wear them these days
It's a good point. I wonder if the necktie is going the way of the hat, after Spanish flu
From universal to invisible, in a couple of decades (but accelerated here)
My understanding is that there was no decline in hat wearing until into the 1930s, well after Spanish Flu. The most common reason I have seen given is because of the growth in the use of cars - and particularly covered cars which both removed some of the necessity for wearing a hat and also made it less practical. Though hat wearing was still the norm in England until up to WW2.
I was pleasantly surprised at Tom. Needs to cut down on the smiling a bit but otherwise came across as kind, sincere and honest.
Also, good glassmanship
I thought Kemi scored points by turning out in that nice yellow. wtf were the other women thinking, going all drab when you don't have to?
Truss should have turned up in a red evening dress to maximise the impression of unhinged, vampiric lunacy.
I thought Truss dressed like the kind of teacher you hated at school. Mordaunt dressed like the head teacher. I hated the fact that Sunak didn’t wear a tie. You know full well he has thousands of pounds worth in his walking in wardrobe but was told that he’d look cooler if he didn’t wear one.
covid has killed ties, only salesmen wear them these days
Time to kill them off for good. In today’s enlightened times, why shoul smart dress for people who identify as female be a floaty summer dress, and for mean a suit and tie? Business attire is changing, and for the better. What is the point of a tie?
Edit: posted after wearing said tie for 10 hours at graduation today...
For most men the tie could be the only thing of any colour that they wear in smart dress. It would be a retrograde to get rid of it, unless bright colours for suits were to become the norm.
I'd be down for that. When I used to work at a suit retailer as a student we did a "fashion show" once a quarter where the staff ordered formal hire and wore it to work for a week. Most people went for kilts. I picked the loudest green suit, top hat and shirt I could find, plus a cane and spats. I got all the commission that week.
I thought Tugendhat was posh, stiff, formal and about 20 years out of date.
Maybe it's nostalgia.
I agree. I felt he is stupid. Just stupid. Why am I even bothering to sugar the pill? He's DIM
I know his type and he's like Ben Wallace. Fucking stupid if above average - IQ about 120 - but due to posh class status they over-estimate themselves by an order of magnitude. I often wonder if Cameron was the same
Cameron/Clegg/Brown were miles ahead of this lot
No, they weren't. Cameron and Clegg are posh service industry versions of the soldiers, Brown is ASD and asocial
The only genuinely super-smart PMs of the modern era are the most successful - Churchill, Thatcher, Blair. The great tragedy of Boris is that he could have been one of those. But his flaws are too great
By super smart I mean combining genuinely hefty intellect with brilliant social antennae: knowing what the people want
We can see the same pattern in America, post war it is Clinton and Reagan and possibly Ike and Obama (but not quite)
Does anyone think Truss could be next out after that?
No. The hardcore ERG types have nowhere else to go.
Kemi. She'll pick up a lot of those braverman votes and probably quite a few of the TT votes as well. I wouldn't be surprised if the final three becomes Kemi, Rishi and Penny and a final two of Rishi vs one of the other two.
I was pleasantly surprised at Tom. Needs to cut down on the smiling a bit but otherwise came across as kind, sincere and honest.
Also, good glassmanship
I thought Kemi scored points by turning out in that nice yellow. wtf were the other women thinking, going all drab when you don't have to?
Truss should have turned up in a red evening dress to maximise the impression of unhinged, vampiric lunacy.
I thought Truss dressed like the kind of teacher you hated at school. Mordaunt dressed like the head teacher. I hated the fact that Sunak didn’t wear a tie. You know full well he has thousands of pounds worth in his walking in wardrobe but was told that he’d look cooler if he didn’t wear one.
covid has killed ties, only salesmen wear them these days
Time to kill them off for good. In today’s enlightened times, why shoul smart dress for people who identify as female be a floaty summer dress, and for mean a suit and tie? Business attire is changing, and for the better. What is the point of a tie?
Edit: posted after wearing said tie for 10 hours at graduation today...
I like wearing a suit and tie, I feel more productive as I mentally switch into work mode. But the tie at least will not remain a ubiquitous part of business attire, I am sure.
Earlier this year I was setting up a now cancelled business project for a client. Myself and my chartered accountant colleague in a WeWork space in that London doing interviews. Fully suited and booted - I look and feel good in a suit.
But as he said to me, eyeing up all the youngsters in scruffs carrying £2k Macbooks, "we are dinosaurs"...
I thought Tugendhat was posh, stiff, formal and about 20 years out of date.
Maybe it's nostalgia.
I agree. I felt he is stupid. Just stupid. Why am I even bothering to sugar the pill? He's DIM
I know his type and he's like Ben Wallace. Fucking stupid if above average - IQ about 120 - but due to posh class status they over-estimate themselves by an order of magnitude. I often wonder if Cameron was the same
Cameron/Clegg/Brown were miles ahead of this lot
No, they weren't. Cameron and Clegg are posh service industry versions of the soldiers, Brown is ASD and asocial
The only genuinely super-smart PMs of the modern era are the most successful - Churchill, Thatcher, Blair. The great tragedy of Boris is that he could have been one of those. But his flaws are too great
By super smart I mean combining genuinely hefty intellect with brilliant social antennae: knowing what the people want
We can see the same pattern in America, post war it is Clinton and Reagan and possibly Ike and Obama (but not quite)
Churchill and Blair both went to posh public schools.
Thatcher is the only great non posh postwar PM.
FDR and Obama and Kennedy also had posh educations, as did Bush Snr
I was pleasantly surprised at Tom. Needs to cut down on the smiling a bit but otherwise came across as kind, sincere and honest.
Also, good glassmanship
I thought Kemi scored points by turning out in that nice yellow. wtf were the other women thinking, going all drab when you don't have to?
Truss should have turned up in a red evening dress to maximise the impression of unhinged, vampiric lunacy.
I thought Truss dressed like the kind of teacher you hated at school. Mordaunt dressed like the head teacher. I hated the fact that Sunak didn’t wear a tie. You know full well he has thousands of pounds worth in his walking in wardrobe but was told that he’d look cooler if he didn’t wear one.
covid has killed ties, only salesmen wear them these days
Time to kill them off for good. In today’s enlightened times, why shoul smart dress for people who identify as female be a floaty summer dress, and for mean a suit and tie? Business attire is changing, and for the better. What is the point of a tie?
Edit: posted after wearing said tie for 10 hours at graduation today...
Business attire for my office is assorted outdoor casual. Scientists know how to dress. Mine is a shop coat and steelies because getting solder on your shirt is not ideal.
Tbf most of my life is not In a suit, although I dress smarting for lectures etc. Def not for labs. Where some have a suit for weddings/funerals/job interviews, I have one for graduation...
A Boris Party could only work with Farage. Some kind of Brexit Defence Party. Nige do the organisation, BoZo the selling. They'd get funding and loads of pliant media. Not sure the two egos could work on that basis, mind.
I thought Tugendhat was posh, stiff, formal and about 20 years out of date.
Maybe it's nostalgia.
I agree. I felt he is stupid. Just stupid. Why am I even bothering to sugar the pill? He's DIM
I know his type and he's like Ben Wallace. Fucking stupid if above average - IQ about 120 - but due to posh class status they over-estimate themselves by an order of magnitude. I often wonder if Cameron was the same
Yes but posh, patrician but not super bright PMs are often reasonably good eg Macmillan, Blair and Cameron, arguably Attlee and Churchill.
The most intelligent PM we have had in the last 40 years was probably the non posh Gordon Brown which says it all
Fundamentally disagree. Brown did not have a single profound original thought, nor did he adopt such notably
I was pleasantly surprised at Tom. Needs to cut down on the smiling a bit but otherwise came across as kind, sincere and honest.
Also, good glassmanship
I thought Kemi scored points by turning out in that nice yellow. wtf were the other women thinking, going all drab when you don't have to?
Truss should have turned up in a red evening dress to maximise the impression of unhinged, vampiric lunacy.
I thought Truss dressed like the kind of teacher you hated at school. Mordaunt dressed like the head teacher. I hated the fact that Sunak didn’t wear a tie. You know full well he has thousands of pounds worth in his walking in wardrobe but was told that he’d look cooler if he didn’t wear one.
covid has killed ties, only salesmen wear them these days
Time to kill them off for good. In today’s enlightened times, why shoul smart dress for people who identify as female be a floaty summer dress, and for mean a suit and tie? Business attire is changing, and for the better. What is the point of a tie?
Edit: posted after wearing said tie for 10 hours at graduation today...
I disagree. Ties are the one of the few ways that men can show creativity and personality in their business attire. When I was at school wearing your own tie in the Sixth Form felt like a massive privilege. I wore one that used to belong to Menzies Campbell. Now there was a leader who knew his ties.
I was pleasantly surprised at Tom. Needs to cut down on the smiling a bit but otherwise came across as kind, sincere and honest.
Also, good glassmanship
I thought Kemi scored points by turning out in that nice yellow. wtf were the other women thinking, going all drab when you don't have to?
Truss should have turned up in a red evening dress to maximise the impression of unhinged, vampiric lunacy.
I thought Truss dressed like the kind of teacher you hated at school. Mordaunt dressed like the head teacher. I hated the fact that Sunak didn’t wear a tie. You know full well he has thousands of pounds worth in his walking in wardrobe but was told that he’d look cooler if he didn’t wear one.
covid has killed ties, only salesmen wear them these days
It's a good point. I wonder if the necktie is going the way of the hat, after Spanish flu
From universal to invisible, in a couple of decades (but accelerated here)
My understanding is that there was no decline in hat wearing until into the 1930s, well after Spanish Flu. The most common reason I have seen given is because of the growth in the use of cars - and particularly covered cars which both removed some of the necessity for wearing a hat and also made it less practical. Though hat wearing was still the norm in England until up to WW2.
I was pleasantly surprised at Tom. Needs to cut down on the smiling a bit but otherwise came across as kind, sincere and honest.
Also, good glassmanship
I thought Kemi scored points by turning out in that nice yellow. wtf were the other women thinking, going all drab when you don't have to?
Truss should have turned up in a red evening dress to maximise the impression of unhinged, vampiric lunacy.
I thought Truss dressed like the kind of teacher you hated at school. Mordaunt dressed like the head teacher. I hated the fact that Sunak didn’t wear a tie. You know full well he has thousands of pounds worth in his walking in wardrobe but was told that he’d look cooler if he didn’t wear one.
covid has killed ties, only salesmen wear them these days
Only dodgy salesmen. Good salesmen don’t need a tie to be professional.
I thought Tugendhat was posh, stiff, formal and about 20 years out of date.
Maybe it's nostalgia.
I agree. I felt he is stupid. Just stupid. Why am I even bothering to sugar the pill? He's DIM
I know his type and he's like Ben Wallace. Fucking stupid if above average - IQ about 120 - but due to posh class status they over-estimate themselves by an order of magnitude. I often wonder if Cameron was the same
Cameron/Clegg/Brown were miles ahead of this lot
No, they weren't. Cameron and Clegg are posh service industry versions of the soldiers, Brown is ASD and asocial
The only genuinely super-smart PMs of the modern era are the most successful - Churchill, Thatcher, Blair. The great tragedy of Boris is that he could have been one of those. But his flaws are too great
By super smart I mean combining genuinely hefty intellect with brilliant social antennae: knowing what the people want
We can see the same pattern in America, post war it is Clinton and Reagan and possibly Ike and Obama (but not quite)
Dunno. There is a credible theory that Blair was a quite thick smarmbot, controlled by hyper intelligent players like Cherie, Campbell, Mandelson. Certianly Boris would have stayed in power if propped up by a team like that.
Prediction: it will be Mordaunt v Sunak in the final two, and Mordaunt will win, because the Tories don't want yet another posh banker type as PM, and Penny will remind them of Maggie
Not sure anything tonight has changed that
I think you are right about the final 2. But a GE is coming soon and I don't think PM4PM is PM material. She is not intellectually nimble enoughor on top of the issues , in my view.
The members will surely have an eye to who might win the next GE - not just who they prefer?
The problem for Sunak is that being perceived as on top of his brief will count for nothing if he's also perceived as being out of touch. This is potentially Mordaunt's strong suit - being in touch.
I thought Tugendhat was posh, stiff, formal and about 20 years out of date.
Maybe it's nostalgia.
I agree. I felt he is stupid. Just stupid. Why am I even bothering to sugar the pill? He's DIM
I know his type and he's like Ben Wallace. Fucking stupid if above average - IQ about 120 - but due to posh class status they over-estimate themselves by an order of magnitude. I often wonder if Cameron was the same
Yes but posh, patrician but not super bright PMs are often reasonably good eg Macmillan, Blair and Cameron, arguably Attlee and Churchill.
The most intelligent PM we have had in the last 40 years was probably the non posh Gordon Brown which says it all
Fundamentally disagree. Brown did not have a single profound original thought, nor did he adopt such notably
I thought Tugendhat was posh, stiff, formal and about 20 years out of date.
Maybe it's nostalgia.
I agree. I felt he is stupid. Just stupid. Why am I even bothering to sugar the pill? He's DIM
I know his type and he's like Ben Wallace. Fucking stupid if above average - IQ about 120 - but due to posh class status they over-estimate themselves by an order of magnitude. I often wonder if Cameron was the same
Cameron/Clegg/Brown were miles ahead of this lot
No, they weren't. Cameron and Clegg are posh service industry versions of the soldiers, Brown is ASD and asocial
The only genuinely super-smart PMs of the modern era are the most successful - Churchill, Thatcher, Blair. The great tragedy of Boris is that he could have been one of those. But his flaws are too great
By super smart I mean combining genuinely hefty intellect with brilliant social antennae: knowing what the people want
We can see the same pattern in America, post war it is Clinton and Reagan and possibly Ike and Obama (but not quite)
Dunno. There is a credible theory that Blair was a quite thick smarmbot, controlled by hyper intelligent players like Cherie, Campbell, Mandelson. Certianly Boris would have stayed in power if propped up by a team like that.
It worked for Reagan and Bush II electric boogaloo.
I thought Tugendhat was posh, stiff, formal and about 20 years out of date.
Maybe it's nostalgia.
I agree. I felt he is stupid. Just stupid. Why am I even bothering to sugar the pill? He's DIM
I know his type and he's like Ben Wallace. Fucking stupid if above average - IQ about 120 - but due to posh class status they over-estimate themselves by an order of magnitude. I often wonder if Cameron was the same
Yes but posh, patrician but not super bright PMs are often reasonably good eg Macmillan, Blair and Cameron, arguably Attlee and Churchill.
The most intelligent PM we have had in the last 40 years was probably the non posh Gordon Brown which says it all
I was pleasantly surprised at Tom. Needs to cut down on the smiling a bit but otherwise came across as kind, sincere and honest.
Also, good glassmanship
I thought Kemi scored points by turning out in that nice yellow. wtf were the other women thinking, going all drab when you don't have to?
Truss should have turned up in a red evening dress to maximise the impression of unhinged, vampiric lunacy.
I thought Truss dressed like the kind of teacher you hated at school. Mordaunt dressed like the head teacher. I hated the fact that Sunak didn’t wear a tie. You know full well he has thousands of pounds worth in his walking in wardrobe but was told that he’d look cooler if he didn’t wear one.
covid has killed ties, only salesmen wear them these days
Time to kill them off for good. In today’s enlightened times, why shoul smart dress for people who identify as female be a floaty summer dress, and for mean a suit and tie? Business attire is changing, and for the better. What is the point of a tie?
Edit: posted after wearing said tie for 10 hours at graduation today...
For most men the tie could be the only thing of any colour that they wear in smart dress. It would be a retrograde to get rid of it, unless bright colours for suits were to become the norm.
So? Who needs colour? My colleague rocks a black three piece. They are uncomfortable and pointless.
I thought Tugendhat was posh, stiff, formal and about 20 years out of date.
Maybe it's nostalgia.
I agree. I felt he is stupid. Just stupid. Why am I even bothering to sugar the pill? He's DIM
I know his type and he's like Ben Wallace. Fucking stupid if above average - IQ about 120 - but due to posh class status they over-estimate themselves by an order of magnitude. I often wonder if Cameron was the same
Yes but posh, patrician but not super bright PMs are often reasonably good eg Macmillan, Blair and Cameron, arguably Attlee and Churchill.
The most intelligent PM we have had in the last 40 years was probably the non posh Gordon Brown which says it all
Fundamentally disagree. Brown did not have a single profound original thought, nor did he adopt such notably
Neither even did Thatcher, she took her ideas from intellectuals and think tanks
I thought Tugendhat was posh, stiff, formal and about 20 years out of date.
Maybe it's nostalgia.
I agree. I felt he is stupid. Just stupid. Why am I even bothering to sugar the pill? He's DIM
I know his type and he's like Ben Wallace. Fucking stupid if above average - IQ about 120 - but due to posh class status they over-estimate themselves by an order of magnitude. I often wonder if Cameron was the same
Cameron/Clegg/Brown were miles ahead of this lot
No, they weren't. Cameron and Clegg are posh service industry versions of the soldiers, Brown is ASD and asocial
The only genuinely super-smart PMs of the modern era are the most successful - Churchill, Thatcher, Blair. The great tragedy of Boris is that he could have been one of those. But his flaws are too great
By super smart I mean combining genuinely hefty intellect with brilliant social antennae: knowing what the people want
We can see the same pattern in America, post war it is Clinton and Reagan and possibly Ike and Obama (but not quite)
Churchill and Blair both went to posh public schools.
Thatcher is the only great non posh postwar PM.
FDR and Obama and Kennedy also had posh educations, as did Bush Snr
I thought Tugendhat was posh, stiff, formal and about 20 years out of date.
Maybe it's nostalgia.
I agree. I felt he is stupid. Just stupid. Why am I even bothering to sugar the pill? He's DIM
I know his type and he's like Ben Wallace. Fucking stupid if above average - IQ about 120 - but due to posh class status they over-estimate themselves by an order of magnitude. I often wonder if Cameron was the same
Cameron/Clegg/Brown were miles ahead of this lot
No, they weren't. Cameron and Clegg are posh service industry versions of the soldiers, Brown is ASD and asocial
The only genuinely super-smart PMs of the modern era are the most successful - Churchill, Thatcher, Blair. The great tragedy of Boris is that he could have been one of those. But his flaws are too great
By super smart I mean combining genuinely hefty intellect with brilliant social antennae: knowing what the people want
We can see the same pattern in America, post war it is Clinton and Reagan and possibly Ike and Obama (but not quite)
Harold was the classic of that type though. 4 of 5 elections won.
I thought Tugendhat was posh, stiff, formal and about 20 years out of date.
Maybe it's nostalgia.
I agree. I felt he is stupid. Just stupid. Why am I even bothering to sugar the pill? He's DIM
I know his type and he's like Ben Wallace. Fucking stupid if above average - IQ about 120 - but due to posh class status they over-estimate themselves by an order of magnitude. I often wonder if Cameron was the same
Yes but posh, patrician but not super bright PMs are often reasonably good eg Macmillan, Blair and Cameron, arguably Attlee and Churchill.
The most intelligent PM we have had in the last 40 years was probably the non posh Gordon Brown which says it all
There was Wilson, mind going further back.
Wilson did some significant social reforms and kept out of Vietnam but managed the economy pretty poorly
I was pleasantly surprised at Tom. Needs to cut down on the smiling a bit but otherwise came across as kind, sincere and honest.
Also, good glassmanship
I thought Kemi scored points by turning out in that nice yellow. wtf were the other women thinking, going all drab when you don't have to?
Truss should have turned up in a red evening dress to maximise the impression of unhinged, vampiric lunacy.
I thought Truss dressed like the kind of teacher you hated at school. Mordaunt dressed like the head teacher. I hated the fact that Sunak didn’t wear a tie. You know full well he has thousands of pounds worth in his walking in wardrobe but was told that he’d look cooler if he didn’t wear one.
covid has killed ties, only salesmen wear them these days
Time to kill them off for good. In today’s enlightened times, why shoul smart dress for people who identify as female be a floaty summer dress, and for mean a suit and tie? Business attire is changing, and for the better. What is the point of a tie?
Edit: posted after wearing said tie for 10 hours at graduation today...
I disagree. Ties are the one of the few ways that men can show creativity and personality in their business attire. When I was at school wearing your own tie in the Sixth Form felt like a massive privilege. I wore one that used to belong to Menzies Campbell. Now there was a leader who knew his ties.
So change business attire. Floral shirt. Yellow trousers. Ties are massively uncomfortable. And extremely sexist.
I was pleasantly surprised at Tom. Needs to cut down on the smiling a bit but otherwise came across as kind, sincere and honest.
Also, good glassmanship
I thought Kemi scored points by turning out in that nice yellow. wtf were the other women thinking, going all drab when you don't have to?
Truss should have turned up in a red evening dress to maximise the impression of unhinged, vampiric lunacy.
I thought Truss dressed like the kind of teacher you hated at school. Mordaunt dressed like the head teacher. I hated the fact that Sunak didn’t wear a tie. You know full well he has thousands of pounds worth in his walking in wardrobe but was told that he’d look cooler if he didn’t wear one.
covid has killed ties, only salesmen wear them these days
It's a good point. I wonder if the necktie is going the way of the hat, after Spanish flu
From universal to invisible, in a couple of decades (but accelerated here)
My understanding is that there was no decline in hat wearing until into the 1930s, well after Spanish Flu. The most common reason I have seen given is because of the growth in the use of cars - and particularly covered cars which both removed some of the necessity for wearing a hat and also made it less practical. Though hat wearing was still the norm in England until up to WW2.
I was pleasantly surprised at Tom. Needs to cut down on the smiling a bit but otherwise came across as kind, sincere and honest.
Also, good glassmanship
I thought Kemi scored points by turning out in that nice yellow. wtf were the other women thinking, going all drab when you don't have to?
Truss should have turned up in a red evening dress to maximise the impression of unhinged, vampiric lunacy.
I thought Truss dressed like the kind of teacher you hated at school. Mordaunt dressed like the head teacher. I hated the fact that Sunak didn’t wear a tie. You know full well he has thousands of pounds worth in his walking in wardrobe but was told that he’d look cooler if he didn’t wear one.
covid has killed ties, only salesmen wear them these days
Time to kill them off for good. In today’s enlightened times, why shoul smart dress for people who identify as female be a floaty summer dress, and for mean a suit and tie? Business attire is changing, and for the better. What is the point of a tie?
Edit: posted after wearing said tie for 10 hours at graduation today...
For most men the tie could be the only thing of any colour that they wear in smart dress. It would be a retrograde to get rid of it, unless bright colours for suits were to become the norm.
So? Who needs colour? My colleague rocks a black three piece. They are uncomfortable and pointless.
You must either work in a funeral directors or a Masonic temple.
I thought Tugendhat was posh, stiff, formal and about 20 years out of date.
Maybe it's nostalgia.
I agree. I felt he is stupid. Just stupid. Why am I even bothering to sugar the pill? He's DIM
I know his type and he's like Ben Wallace. Fucking stupid if above average - IQ about 120 - but due to posh class status they over-estimate themselves by an order of magnitude. I often wonder if Cameron was the same
Yes but posh, patrician but not super bright PMs are often reasonably good eg Macmillan, Blair and Cameron, arguably Attlee and Churchill.
The most intelligent PM we have had in the last 40 years was probably the non posh Gordon Brown which says it all
Fundamentally disagree. Brown did not have a single profound original thought, nor did he adopt such notably
Neither even did Thatcher, she took her ideas from intellectuals and think tanks
I find this comment very surprising but also very welcome.
I was pleasantly surprised at Tom. Needs to cut down on the smiling a bit but otherwise came across as kind, sincere and honest.
Also, good glassmanship
I thought Kemi scored points by turning out in that nice yellow. wtf were the other women thinking, going all drab when you don't have to?
Truss should have turned up in a red evening dress to maximise the impression of unhinged, vampiric lunacy.
I thought Truss dressed like the kind of teacher you hated at school. Mordaunt dressed like the head teacher. I hated the fact that Sunak didn’t wear a tie. You know full well he has thousands of pounds worth in his walking in wardrobe but was told that he’d look cooler if he didn’t wear one.
covid has killed ties, only salesmen wear them these days
Time to kill them off for good. In today’s enlightened times, why shoul smart dress for people who identify as female be a floaty summer dress, and for mean a suit and tie? Business attire is changing, and for the better. What is the point of a tie?
Edit: posted after wearing said tie for 10 hours at graduation today...
I like wearing a suit and tie, I feel more productive as I mentally switch into work mode. But the tie at least will not remain a ubiquitous part of business attire, I am sure.
I can't stand wearing a suit. Indoor temperatures are too hot for a jacket at any time of year and I just end up a sweaty state.
I was pleasantly surprised at Tom. Needs to cut down on the smiling a bit but otherwise came across as kind, sincere and honest.
Also, good glassmanship
I thought Kemi scored points by turning out in that nice yellow. wtf were the other women thinking, going all drab when you don't have to?
Truss should have turned up in a red evening dress to maximise the impression of unhinged, vampiric lunacy.
I thought Truss dressed like the kind of teacher you hated at school. Mordaunt dressed like the head teacher. I hated the fact that Sunak didn’t wear a tie. You know full well he has thousands of pounds worth in his walking in wardrobe but was told that he’d look cooler if he didn’t wear one.
covid has killed ties, only salesmen wear them these days
Time to kill them off for good. In today’s enlightened times, why shoul smart dress for people who identify as female be a floaty summer dress, and for mean a suit and tie? Business attire is changing, and for the better. What is the point of a tie?
Edit: posted after wearing said tie for 10 hours at graduation today...
For most men the tie could be the only thing of any colour that they wear in smart dress. It would be a retrograde to get rid of it, unless bright colours for suits were to become the norm.
I'd be down for that. When I used to work at a suit retailer as a student we did a "fashion show" once a quarter where the staff ordered formal hire and wore it to work for a week. Most people went for kilts. I picked the loudest green suit, top hat and shirt I could find, plus a cane and spats. I got all the commission that week.
I was pleasantly surprised at Tom. Needs to cut down on the smiling a bit but otherwise came across as kind, sincere and honest.
Also, good glassmanship
I thought Kemi scored points by turning out in that nice yellow. wtf were the other women thinking, going all drab when you don't have to?
Truss should have turned up in a red evening dress to maximise the impression of unhinged, vampiric lunacy.
I thought Truss dressed like the kind of teacher you hated at school. Mordaunt dressed like the head teacher. I hated the fact that Sunak didn’t wear a tie. You know full well he has thousands of pounds worth in his walking in wardrobe but was told that he’d look cooler if he didn’t wear one.
covid has killed ties, only salesmen wear them these days
Time to kill them off for good. In today’s enlightened times, why shoul smart dress for people who identify as female be a floaty summer dress, and for mean a suit and tie? Business attire is changing, and for the better. What is the point of a tie?
Edit: posted after wearing said tie for 10 hours at graduation today...
I disagree. Ties are the one of the few ways that men can show creativity and personality in their business attire. When I was at school wearing your own tie in the Sixth Form felt like a massive privilege. I wore one that used to belong to Menzies Campbell. Now there was a leader who knew his ties.
So change business attire. Floral shirt. Yellow trousers. Ties are massively uncomfortable. And extremely sexist.
Or go the other way, wear nothing but a tie and show creativity and personality that way.
I was pleasantly surprised at Tom. Needs to cut down on the smiling a bit but otherwise came across as kind, sincere and honest.
Also, good glassmanship
I thought Kemi scored points by turning out in that nice yellow. wtf were the other women thinking, going all drab when you don't have to?
Truss should have turned up in a red evening dress to maximise the impression of unhinged, vampiric lunacy.
I thought Truss dressed like the kind of teacher you hated at school. Mordaunt dressed like the head teacher. I hated the fact that Sunak didn’t wear a tie. You know full well he has thousands of pounds worth in his walking in wardrobe but was told that he’d look cooler if he didn’t wear one.
covid has killed ties, only salesmen wear them these days
Only dodgy salesmen. Good salesmen don’t need a tie to be professional.
Yes. Ties are starting to look... spivvy. Trying rather too hard. I wonder if a tie is- as others here say - going the same way spats eventually betokened gangsters?
I believe it is. Ties are doomed and will end up like cravats or cummerbunds or tails or deeply significant hats, an affectation for splendid events, showing commitment to the moment
That said, men could usefully bring back waistcoats. They are sexy and flattering, and they befit a warmed climate, when a jacket is too much (cf the gilet)
I was pleasantly surprised at Tom. Needs to cut down on the smiling a bit but otherwise came across as kind, sincere and honest.
Also, good glassmanship
I thought Kemi scored points by turning out in that nice yellow. wtf were the other women thinking, going all drab when you don't have to?
Truss should have turned up in a red evening dress to maximise the impression of unhinged, vampiric lunacy.
I thought Truss dressed like the kind of teacher you hated at school. Mordaunt dressed like the head teacher. I hated the fact that Sunak didn’t wear a tie. You know full well he has thousands of pounds worth in his walking in wardrobe but was told that he’d look cooler if he didn’t wear one.
covid has killed ties, only salesmen wear them these days
Time to kill them off for good. In today’s enlightened times, why shoul smart dress for people who identify as female be a floaty summer dress, and for mean a suit and tie? Business attire is changing, and for the better. What is the point of a tie?
Edit: posted after wearing said tie for 10 hours at graduation today...
I like wearing a suit and tie, I feel more productive as I mentally switch into work mode. But the tie at least will not remain a ubiquitous part of business attire, I am sure.
I can't stand wearing a suit. Indoor temperatures are too hot for a jacket at any time of year and I just end up a sweaty state.
I go for a three piece and go jacketless at hottest moments. I perhaps futilely believe it looks suitably formal as a result if you have a waistcoat even without a jacket.
I thought Tugendhat was posh, stiff, formal and about 20 years out of date.
Maybe it's nostalgia.
I agree. I felt he is stupid. Just stupid. Why am I even bothering to sugar the pill? He's DIM
I know his type and he's like Ben Wallace. Fucking stupid if above average - IQ about 120 - but due to posh class status they over-estimate themselves by an order of magnitude. I often wonder if Cameron was the same
Yes but posh, patrician but not super bright PMs are often reasonably good eg Macmillan, Blair and Cameron, arguably Attlee and Churchill.
The most intelligent PM we have had in the last 40 years was probably the non posh Gordon Brown which says it all
There was Wilson, mind going further back.
Wilson did some significant social reforms and kept out of Vietnam but managed the economy pretty poorly
Massive advances in standard of living for your average punter between 64 and 77. TV, telephone, central heating, washing machines, cars, double glazing, even indoor toilets became the norm, not the exception.
I thought Tugendhat was posh, stiff, formal and about 20 years out of date.
Maybe it's nostalgia.
I agree. I felt he is stupid. Just stupid. Why am I even bothering to sugar the pill? He's DIM
I know his type and he's like Ben Wallace. Fucking stupid if above average - IQ about 120 - but due to posh class status they over-estimate themselves by an order of magnitude. I often wonder if Cameron was the same
Cameron/Clegg/Brown were miles ahead of this lot
No, they weren't. Cameron and Clegg are posh service industry versions of the soldiers, Brown is ASD and asocial
The only genuinely super-smart PMs of the modern era are the most successful - Churchill, Thatcher, Blair. The great tragedy of Boris is that he could have been one of those. But his flaws are too great
By super smart I mean combining genuinely hefty intellect with brilliant social antennae: knowing what the people want
We can see the same pattern in America, post war it is Clinton and Reagan and possibly Ike and Obama (but not quite)
Harold was the classic of that type though. 4 of 5 elections won.
I wonder if Wilson was fortunate to be Labour leader while class based voting was still widespread but after class deference had declined so giving working class Labour a numbers advantage against middle class Conservatives during that era.
I was pleasantly surprised at Tom. Needs to cut down on the smiling a bit but otherwise came across as kind, sincere and honest.
Also, good glassmanship
I thought Kemi scored points by turning out in that nice yellow. wtf were the other women thinking, going all drab when you don't have to?
Truss should have turned up in a red evening dress to maximise the impression of unhinged, vampiric lunacy.
I thought Truss dressed like the kind of teacher you hated at school. Mordaunt dressed like the head teacher. I hated the fact that Sunak didn’t wear a tie. You know full well he has thousands of pounds worth in his walking in wardrobe but was told that he’d look cooler if he didn’t wear one.
covid has killed ties, only salesmen wear them these days
Time to kill them off for good. In today’s enlightened times, why shoul smart dress for people who identify as female be a floaty summer dress, and for mean a suit and tie? Business attire is changing, and for the better. What is the point of a tie?
Edit: posted after wearing said tie for 10 hours at graduation today...
I disagree. Ties are the one of the few ways that men can show creativity and personality in their business attire. When I was at school wearing your own tie in the Sixth Form felt like a massive privilege. I wore one that used to belong to Menzies Campbell. Now there was a leader who knew his ties.
So change business attire. Floral shirt. Yellow trousers. Ties are massively uncomfortable. And extremely sexist.
Women can wear ties. Joan Watson on Elementary did from time to time for some reason. And it looked silly, scratch that, you're right.
I was pleasantly surprised at Tom. Needs to cut down on the smiling a bit but otherwise came across as kind, sincere and honest.
Also, good glassmanship
I thought Kemi scored points by turning out in that nice yellow. wtf were the other women thinking, going all drab when you don't have to?
Truss should have turned up in a red evening dress to maximise the impression of unhinged, vampiric lunacy.
I thought Truss dressed like the kind of teacher you hated at school. Mordaunt dressed like the head teacher. I hated the fact that Sunak didn’t wear a tie. You know full well he has thousands of pounds worth in his walking in wardrobe but was told that he’d look cooler if he didn’t wear one.
covid has killed ties, only salesmen wear them these days
Time to kill them off for good. In today’s enlightened times, why shoul smart dress for people who identify as female be a floaty summer dress, and for mean a suit and tie? Business attire is changing, and for the better. What is the point of a tie?
Edit: posted after wearing said tie for 10 hours at graduation today...
For most men the tie could be the only thing of any colour that they wear in smart dress. It would be a retrograde to get rid of it, unless bright colours for suits were to become the norm.
So? Who needs colour? My colleague rocks a black three piece. They are uncomfortable and pointless.
You must either work in a funeral directors or a Masonic temple.
No, he’s a ‘cool’ academic (architecture). It’s his look.
I was pleasantly surprised at Tom. Needs to cut down on the smiling a bit but otherwise came across as kind, sincere and honest.
Also, good glassmanship
I thought Kemi scored points by turning out in that nice yellow. wtf were the other women thinking, going all drab when you don't have to?
Truss should have turned up in a red evening dress to maximise the impression of unhinged, vampiric lunacy.
I thought Truss dressed like the kind of teacher you hated at school. Mordaunt dressed like the head teacher. I hated the fact that Sunak didn’t wear a tie. You know full well he has thousands of pounds worth in his walking in wardrobe but was told that he’d look cooler if he didn’t wear one.
covid has killed ties, only salesmen wear them these days
Only dodgy salesmen. Good salesmen don’t need a tie to be professional.
Yes. Ties are starting to look... spivvy. Trying rather too hard. I wonder if a tie is- as others here say - going the same way spats eventually betokened gangsters?
I believe it is. Ties are doomed and will end up like cravats or cummerbunds or tails or deeply significant hats, an affectation for splendid events, showing commitment to the moment
That said, men could usefully bring back waistcoats. They are sexy and flattering, and they befit a warmed climate, when a jacket is too much (cf the gilet)
Waistcoats are only sexy and flattering on slim people, as are most clothes.
I was pleasantly surprised at Tom. Needs to cut down on the smiling a bit but otherwise came across as kind, sincere and honest.
Also, good glassmanship
I thought Kemi scored points by turning out in that nice yellow. wtf were the other women thinking, going all drab when you don't have to?
Truss should have turned up in a red evening dress to maximise the impression of unhinged, vampiric lunacy.
I thought Truss dressed like the kind of teacher you hated at school. Mordaunt dressed like the head teacher. I hated the fact that Sunak didn’t wear a tie. You know full well he has thousands of pounds worth in his walking in wardrobe but was told that he’d look cooler if he didn’t wear one.
covid has killed ties, only salesmen wear them these days
Only dodgy salesmen. Good salesmen don’t need a tie to be professional.
Yes. Ties are starting to look... spivvy. Trying rather too hard. I wonder if a tie is- as others here say - going the same way spats eventually betokened gangsters?
I believe it is. Ties are doomed and will end up like cravats or cummerbunds or tails or deeply significant hats, an affectation for splendid events, showing commitment to the moment
That said, men could usefully bring back waistcoats. They are sexy and flattering, and they befit a warmed climate, when a jacket is too much (cf the gilet)
When Japan abandoned them in the no-air-conditioning aftermath of the Fukushima disaster, that was the beginning of the end. I’d kept a drawer of ties for my trips to Germany and Japan. Once Japan crossed the rubicon I couldn’t be bothered in Germany anymore.
I was pleasantly surprised at Tom. Needs to cut down on the smiling a bit but otherwise came across as kind, sincere and honest.
Also, good glassmanship
I thought Kemi scored points by turning out in that nice yellow. wtf were the other women thinking, going all drab when you don't have to?
Truss should have turned up in a red evening dress to maximise the impression of unhinged, vampiric lunacy.
I thought Truss dressed like the kind of teacher you hated at school. Mordaunt dressed like the head teacher. I hated the fact that Sunak didn’t wear a tie. You know full well he has thousands of pounds worth in his walking in wardrobe but was told that he’d look cooler if he didn’t wear one.
covid has killed ties, only salesmen wear them these days
Time to kill them off for good. In today’s enlightened times, why shoul smart dress for people who identify as female be a floaty summer dress, and for mean a suit and tie? Business attire is changing, and for the better. What is the point of a tie?
Edit: posted after wearing said tie for 10 hours at graduation today...
I like wearing a suit and tie, I feel more productive as I mentally switch into work mode. But the tie at least will not remain a ubiquitous part of business attire, I am sure.
I can't stand wearing a suit. Indoor temperatures are too hot for a jacket at any time of year and I just end up a sweaty state.
I go for a three piece and go jacketless at hottest moments. I perhaps futilely believe it looks suitably formal as a result if you have a waistcoat even without a jacket.
Actually I think you are right on that, it does still stay more formal if you hav3 the waistcoat.
I was pleasantly surprised at Tom. Needs to cut down on the smiling a bit but otherwise came across as kind, sincere and honest.
Also, good glassmanship
I thought Kemi scored points by turning out in that nice yellow. wtf were the other women thinking, going all drab when you don't have to?
Truss should have turned up in a red evening dress to maximise the impression of unhinged, vampiric lunacy.
I thought Truss dressed like the kind of teacher you hated at school. Mordaunt dressed like the head teacher. I hated the fact that Sunak didn’t wear a tie. You know full well he has thousands of pounds worth in his walking in wardrobe but was told that he’d look cooler if he didn’t wear one.
The tie is the most useless and irrelevant item of clothing known to mankind. It’s time it went the way of the hansom cab and the flintlock musket.
For me, the purpose of a tie is to hide the flesh showing in the ever-increasing gaps between the shirt buttons.
With my Labour hat on, I was most worried about Penny winning, and that spelling trouble for Labour.
I'm not worried any more. Very underwhelming, I thought, and would be out of her depth as PM.
Whereas Kemi Badenoch has demonstrated why she is a very real threat.
You must be joking?
Kemi was truly awful on the NHS question - asked about the current crisis and backlog, people with potentially life-threatening cancer diagnoses having to wait well beyond the target times for referrals, people with heart attacks waiting five hours for an ambulance - she started talking about her own chipped tooth. Honestly! No PM could ever live down such self-obsessed blindness to others' serious health concerns.
Don't think I agree re: Bad'enoch's "self-obsessed blindness" re: her tooth.
Bill Clinton was a master at using homey, seemingly mundane examples that resonated with voters precisely BECAUSE they were homey, mundane AND made a clear point.
In this case, her tooth represents more than just a tooth, but all the stuff you'e just mentioned.
PLUS it explains her less-than-stellar mouthful?
Though still the "lie" issue. But only IF that get's picked up AND has some traction.
I thought Tugendhat was posh, stiff, formal and about 20 years out of date.
Maybe it's nostalgia.
I agree. I felt he is stupid. Just stupid. Why am I even bothering to sugar the pill? He's DIM
I know his type and he's like Ben Wallace. Fucking stupid if above average - IQ about 120 - but due to posh class status they over-estimate themselves by an order of magnitude. I often wonder if Cameron was the same
Cameron/Clegg/Brown were miles ahead of this lot
No, they weren't. Cameron and Clegg are posh service industry versions of the soldiers, Brown is ASD and asocial
The only genuinely super-smart PMs of the modern era are the most successful - Churchill, Thatcher, Blair. The great tragedy of Boris is that he could have been one of those. But his flaws are too great
By super smart I mean combining genuinely hefty intellect with brilliant social antennae: knowing what the people want
We can see the same pattern in America, post war it is Clinton and Reagan and possibly Ike and Obama (but not quite)
Churchill and Blair both went to posh public schools.
Thatcher is the only great non posh postwar PM.
FDR and Obama and Kennedy also had posh educations, as did Bush Snr
Posh public schools? Fetish? Lol^100
What really worries me is what sort of fetish is here exhibited by the patient.
I was pleasantly surprised at Tom. Needs to cut down on the smiling a bit but otherwise came across as kind, sincere and honest.
Also, good glassmanship
I thought Kemi scored points by turning out in that nice yellow. wtf were the other women thinking, going all drab when you don't have to?
Truss should have turned up in a red evening dress to maximise the impression of unhinged, vampiric lunacy.
I thought Truss dressed like the kind of teacher you hated at school. Mordaunt dressed like the head teacher. I hated the fact that Sunak didn’t wear a tie. You know full well he has thousands of pounds worth in his walking in wardrobe but was told that he’d look cooler if he didn’t wear one.
The tie is the most useless and irrelevant item of clothing known to mankind. It’s time it went the way of the hansom cab and the flintlock musket.
For me, the purpose of a tie is to hide the flesh showing in the ever-increasing gaps between the shirt buttons.
I thought Tugendhat was posh, stiff, formal and about 20 years out of date.
Maybe it's nostalgia.
I agree. I felt he is stupid. Just stupid. Why am I even bothering to sugar the pill? He's DIM
I know his type and he's like Ben Wallace. Fucking stupid if above average - IQ about 120 - but due to posh class status they over-estimate themselves by an order of magnitude. I often wonder if Cameron was the same
Cameron/Clegg/Brown were miles ahead of this lot
No, they weren't. Cameron and Clegg are posh service industry versions of the soldiers, Brown is ASD and asocial
The only genuinely super-smart PMs of the modern era are the most successful - Churchill, Thatcher, Blair. The great tragedy of Boris is that he could have been one of those. But his flaws are too great
By super smart I mean combining genuinely hefty intellect with brilliant social antennae: knowing what the people want
We can see the same pattern in America, post war it is Clinton and Reagan and possibly Ike and Obama (but not quite)
Harold was the classic of that type though. 4 of 5 elections won.
I wonder if Wilson was fortunate to be Labour leader while class based voting was still widespread but after class deference had declined so giving working class Labour a numbers advantage against middle class Conservatives during that era.
That's very possible. But my point was more that he's the most intellectual PM we've had in living memory. Whilst coming across as an ordinary bloke.
I was pleasantly surprised at Tom. Needs to cut down on the smiling a bit but otherwise came across as kind, sincere and honest.
Also, good glassmanship
I thought Kemi scored points by turning out in that nice yellow. wtf were the other women thinking, going all drab when you don't have to?
Truss should have turned up in a red evening dress to maximise the impression of unhinged, vampiric lunacy.
I thought Truss dressed like the kind of teacher you hated at school. Mordaunt dressed like the head teacher. I hated the fact that Sunak didn’t wear a tie. You know full well he has thousands of pounds worth in his walking in wardrobe but was told that he’d look cooler if he didn’t wear one.
covid has killed ties, only salesmen wear them these days
Time to kill them off for good. In today’s enlightened times, why shoul smart dress for people who identify as female be a floaty summer dress, and for mean a suit and tie? Business attire is changing, and for the better. What is the point of a tie?
Edit: posted after wearing said tie for 10 hours at graduation today...
I disagree. Ties are the one of the few ways that men can show creativity and personality in their business attire. When I was at school wearing your own tie in the Sixth Form felt like a massive privilege. I wore one that used to belong to Menzies Campbell. Now there was a leader who knew his ties.
So change business attire. Floral shirt. Yellow trousers. Ties are massively uncomfortable. And extremely sexist.
Or go the other way, wear nothing but a tie and show creativity and personality that way.
With the potential temps on Tuesday and more graduation. I have threatened just a pair of shorts under the robes. Would probably get me the sack though, at leas5 from the position of Marshal...
I thought Tugendhat was posh, stiff, formal and about 20 years out of date.
Maybe it's nostalgia.
I agree. I felt he is stupid. Just stupid. Why am I even bothering to sugar the pill? He's DIM
I know his type and he's like Ben Wallace. Fucking stupid if above average - IQ about 120 - but due to posh class status they over-estimate themselves by an order of magnitude. I often wonder if Cameron was the same
Yes but posh, patrician but not super bright PMs are often reasonably good eg Macmillan, Blair and Cameron, arguably Attlee and Churchill.
The most intelligent PM we have had in the last 40 years was probably the non posh Gordon Brown which says it all
There was Wilson, mind going further back.
Wilson did some significant social reforms and kept out of Vietnam but managed the economy pretty poorly
Massive advances in standard of living for your average punter between 64 and 77. TV, telephone, central heating, washing machines, cars, double glazing, even indoor toilets became the norm, not the exception.
Also rising inflation, especially in his final term, strikes and an IMF bailout
I was pleasantly surprised at Tom. Needs to cut down on the smiling a bit but otherwise came across as kind, sincere and honest.
Also, good glassmanship
I thought Kemi scored points by turning out in that nice yellow. wtf were the other women thinking, going all drab when you don't have to?
Truss should have turned up in a red evening dress to maximise the impression of unhinged, vampiric lunacy.
I thought Truss dressed like the kind of teacher you hated at school. Mordaunt dressed like the head teacher. I hated the fact that Sunak didn’t wear a tie. You know full well he has thousands of pounds worth in his walking in wardrobe but was told that he’d look cooler if he didn’t wear one.
covid has killed ties, only salesmen wear them these days
Only dodgy salesmen. Good salesmen don’t need a tie to be professional.
Yes. Ties are starting to look... spivvy. Trying rather too hard. I wonder if a tie is- as others here say - going the same way spats eventually betokened gangsters?
I believe it is. Ties are doomed and will end up like cravats or cummerbunds or tails or deeply significant hats, an affectation for splendid events, showing commitment to the moment
That said, men could usefully bring back waistcoats. They are sexy and flattering, and they befit a warmed climate, when a jacket is too much (cf the gilet)
Waistcoats are only sexy and flattering on slim people, as are most clothes.
I thought Tugendhat was posh, stiff, formal and about 20 years out of date.
Maybe it's nostalgia.
I agree. I felt he is stupid. Just stupid. Why am I even bothering to sugar the pill? He's DIM
I know his type and he's like Ben Wallace. Fucking stupid if above average - IQ about 120 - but due to posh class status they over-estimate themselves by an order of magnitude. I often wonder if Cameron was the same
Yes but posh, patrician but not super bright PMs are often reasonably good eg Macmillan, Blair and Cameron, arguably Attlee and Churchill.
The most intelligent PM we have had in the last 40 years was probably the non posh Gordon Brown which says it all
There was Wilson, mind going further back.
Wilson did some significant social reforms and kept out of Vietnam but managed the economy pretty poorly
Massive advances in standard of living for your average punter between 64 and 77. TV, telephone, central heating, washing machines, cars, double glazing, even indoor toilets became the norm, not the exception.
But wrong sort of advances of living. Not Tory approved.
I was pleasantly surprised at Tom. Needs to cut down on the smiling a bit but otherwise came across as kind, sincere and honest.
Also, good glassmanship
I thought Kemi scored points by turning out in that nice yellow. wtf were the other women thinking, going all drab when you don't have to?
Truss should have turned up in a red evening dress to maximise the impression of unhinged, vampiric lunacy.
I thought Truss dressed like the kind of teacher you hated at school. Mordaunt dressed like the head teacher. I hated the fact that Sunak didn’t wear a tie. You know full well he has thousands of pounds worth in his walking in wardrobe but was told that he’d look cooler if he didn’t wear one.
covid has killed ties, only salesmen wear them these days
Time to kill them off for good. In today’s enlightened times, why shoul smart dress for people who identify as female be a floaty summer dress, and for mean a suit and tie? Business attire is changing, and for the better. What is the point of a tie?
Edit: posted after wearing said tie for 10 hours at graduation today...
I like wearing a suit and tie, I feel more productive as I mentally switch into work mode. But the tie at least will not remain a ubiquitous part of business attire, I am sure.
I can't stand wearing a suit. Indoor temperatures are too hot for a jacket at any time of year and I just end up a sweaty state.
I go for a three piece and go jacketless at hottest moments. I perhaps futilely believe it looks suitably formal as a result if you have a waistcoat even without a jacket.
I was pleasantly surprised at Tom. Needs to cut down on the smiling a bit but otherwise came across as kind, sincere and honest.
Also, good glassmanship
I thought Kemi scored points by turning out in that nice yellow. wtf were the other women thinking, going all drab when you don't have to?
Truss should have turned up in a red evening dress to maximise the impression of unhinged, vampiric lunacy.
I thought Truss dressed like the kind of teacher you hated at school. Mordaunt dressed like the head teacher. I hated the fact that Sunak didn’t wear a tie. You know full well he has thousands of pounds worth in his walking in wardrobe but was told that he’d look cooler if he didn’t wear one.
covid has killed ties, only salesmen wear them these days
Only dodgy salesmen. Good salesmen don’t need a tie to be professional.
Yes. Ties are starting to look... spivvy. Trying rather too hard. I wonder if a tie is- as others here say - going the same way spats eventually betokened gangsters?
I believe it is. Ties are doomed and will end up like cravats or cummerbunds or tails or deeply significant hats, an affectation for splendid events, showing commitment to the moment
That said, men could usefully bring back waistcoats. They are sexy and flattering, and they befit a warmed climate, when a jacket is too much (cf the gilet)
Waistcoats are only sexy and flattering on slim people, as are most clothes.
Disagree. A really fat man in a strained, button-popping shirt can instead look like a comforting, Dickensian character if he's in a waistcoat as well. Complete with fob watch
Formal but jolly. Not sexy, sure, but comforting
Note that period dramas nearly always have waistcoats on the men. Why? Because women really like them. It's the same reason male bar staff are often told to wear them. I have friends in the industry and I swear this is true
Opinium @OpiniumResearch · 1h Among Tory 2019 voters it was a neck and neck between Tugendhat and Sunak.
However, among Conservative swing voters (who will decide whether the Tories hold their majority at the next election) the results were: Tugendhat 33% Sunak 28% Mordaunt 14% Badenoch 12% Truss 6%
I thought Tugendhat was posh, stiff, formal and about 20 years out of date.
Maybe it's nostalgia.
I agree. I felt he is stupid. Just stupid. Why am I even bothering to sugar the pill? He's DIM
I know his type and he's like Ben Wallace. Fucking stupid if above average - IQ about 120 - but due to posh class status they over-estimate themselves by an order of magnitude. I often wonder if Cameron was the same
Yes but posh, patrician but not super bright PMs are often reasonably good eg Macmillan, Blair and Cameron, arguably Attlee and Churchill.
The most intelligent PM we have had in the last 40 years was probably the non posh Gordon Brown which says it all
We don't know the IQs of these PMs and IQ is complex and variable depending on how and what you are measuring and it doesn't really have a proper definition. Most tests (if any) don't cover multi tasking which is essential for a PM. I wouldn't be surprised if some of those on your not super bright are actually rather good.
As for @leon how many times do you have to tell us you are cleverer than the rest of us. You protest to much. I suspect you are concerned it just isn't true.
Prediction: it will be Mordaunt v Sunak in the final two, and Mordaunt will win, because the Tories don't want yet another posh banker type as PM, and Penny will remind them of Maggie
Not sure anything tonight has changed that
I think you are right about the final 2. But a GE is coming soon and I don't think PM4PM is PM material. She is not intellectually nimble enoughor on top of the issues , in my view.
The members will surely have an eye to who might win the next GE - not just who they prefer?
Surprisingly my order matched the order in the poll. Just the first two reversed. Sunak was so much the commanding figure the others looked various degrees of amateur. Like the poll after Sunak and Tom Tug the other three became no hopers.
The Tories are strange folk as the ERG have shown but when their meal ticket's at stake they'll know there's only one show in town.
I speak for the nation and took part in this poll and called it for Tom, then Penny, then Rishi, then Badenoch in the distance, and Truss, oh dear.
Sunak in a different league imo despite the derivative Blairisms. Easily the best performer on both style and substance. It was like a lead singer with his backing band. If I had a vote that's where it would go and it wouldn't be a tough choice.
Mordaunt seems vacant. Tug is a bit stodgy. Badenoch is miles from PM material. Truss is just bad on every level. Poundshop Maggie is too kind.
But all 5 would be fabulous PMs compared to the last bloke. This was my main feeling watching the debate. Sheer joy and relief that Boris Johnson is history. It's been a few days now but the heart remains cockled that he's gone.
How on earth did the Tories ever think it was ok to foist that man on the country? This is the question they'll be hoping doesn't occur to the electorate come the time. I hope it will.
Opinium @OpiniumResearch · 1h Among Tory 2019 voters it was a neck and neck between Tugendhat and Sunak.
However, among Conservative swing voters (who will decide whether the Tories hold their majority at the next election) the results were: Tugendhat 33% Sunak 28% Mordaunt 14% Badenoch 12% Truss 6%
I can't see Tugendhat going down particularly well in the Red Wall for now, although I think he's definitely a Tory prospect for the future. Penny can reach out to those kinds of constituencies, and Rishi may be able to charm them Blair-style.
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Non, non, non..
Anyone who does that after seeing what Boris did to Dom deserves everything they have coming for them.
It could have been spatterdashers.
I keep driving past Salmond's house to see if he has respected the council planning decision to outlaw his large YES sign in his garden,
He hasn't.
Hats are back, sort of.
But he just looks vacant.
Maybe that's all he needs?
The members will surely have an eye to who might win the next GE - not just who they prefer?
Here is our fancy baby, a colt born this spring.
Kemi was truly awful on the NHS question - asked about the current crisis and backlog, people with potentially life-threatening cancer diagnoses having to wait well beyond the target times for referrals, people with heart attacks waiting five hours for an ambulance - she started talking about her own chipped tooth. Honestly! No PM could ever live down such self-obsessed blindness to others' serious health concerns.
The most intelligent PM we have had in the last 40 years was probably the non posh Gordon Brown which says it all
The only genuinely super-smart PMs of the modern era are the most successful - Churchill, Thatcher, Blair. The great tragedy of Boris is that he could have been one of those. But his flaws are too great
By super smart I mean combining genuinely hefty intellect with brilliant social antennae: knowing what the people want
We can see the same pattern in America, post war it is Clinton and Reagan and possibly Ike and Obama (but not quite)
Truss out and the ERG a laughing stock for backing her (a REMAINER!!!) might not be a bad evening's work...
But as he said to me, eyeing up all the youngsters in scruffs carrying £2k Macbooks, "we are dinosaurs"...
Thatcher is the only great non posh postwar PM.
FDR and Obama and Kennedy also had posh educations, as did Bush Snr
P.S. Autocomplete suggested "move to Baden-Baden"!
Where some have a suit for weddings/funerals/job interviews, I have one for graduation...
Some kind of Brexit Defence Party. Nige do the organisation, BoZo the selling. They'd get funding and loads of pliant media.
Not sure the two egos could work on that basis, mind.
https://twitter.com/badge_is_in/status/1548015267589935106?s=21&t=BQoBNGRUqmrCBo3cVs35jg
They're both close to the job.
4 of 5 elections won.
Ties are massively uncomfortable. And extremely sexist.
James Bond wore a hat in the first few films.
I believe it is. Ties are doomed and will end up like cravats or cummerbunds or tails or deeply significant hats, an affectation for splendid events, showing commitment to the moment
That said, men could usefully bring back waistcoats. They are sexy and flattering, and they befit a warmed climate, when a jacket is too much (cf the gilet)
TV, telephone, central heating, washing machines, cars, double glazing, even indoor toilets became the norm, not the exception.
Bill Clinton was a master at using homey, seemingly mundane examples that resonated with voters precisely BECAUSE they were homey, mundane AND made a clear point.
In this case, her tooth represents more than just a tooth, but all the stuff you'e just mentioned.
PLUS it explains her less-than-stellar mouthful?
Though still the "lie" issue. But only IF that get's picked up AND has some traction.
But my point was more that he's the most intellectual PM we've had in living memory. Whilst coming across as an ordinary bloke.
Formal but jolly. Not sexy, sure, but comforting
Note that period dramas nearly always have waistcoats on the men. Why? Because women really like them. It's the same reason male bar staff are often told to wear them. I have friends in the industry and I swear this is true
Ties make you look slimmer. I don't need that.
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Among Tory 2019 voters it was a neck and neck between Tugendhat and Sunak.
However, among Conservative swing voters (who will decide whether the Tories hold their majority at the next election) the results were:
Tugendhat 33%
Sunak 28%
Mordaunt 14%
Badenoch 12%
Truss 6%
As for @leon how many times do you have to tell us you are cleverer than the rest of us. You protest to much. I suspect you are concerned it just isn't true.
However he lost (maybe never had) the knack for retail politics and was plagued with self-doubt.
If Mordaunt, for example, became PM, she would certainly be the thickest PM in living memory.
They have all tended to be above average IQ, if not necessarily “intellectual”.
It was a no-brainer answer really.
The Tories are strange folk as the ERG have shown but when their meal ticket's at stake they'll know there's only one show in town.
Sunak's got it sewn up
Watch Tory MPs follow the Daily Mail route and denounce Tom Major as a traitor.
Mordaunt seems vacant. Tug is a bit stodgy. Badenoch is miles from PM material. Truss is just bad on every level. Poundshop Maggie is too kind.
But all 5 would be fabulous PMs compared to the last bloke. This was my main feeling watching the debate. Sheer joy and relief that Boris Johnson is history. It's been a few days now but the heart remains cockled that he's gone.
How on earth did the Tories ever think it was ok to foist that man on the country? This is the question they'll be hoping doesn't occur to the electorate come the time. I hope it will.