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Snap debate poll gives it to Tugendhat – politicalbetting.com

?BREAKING – SNAP DEBATE POLL?Tonight we asked over 1000 normal voters to watch the debate and we have just asked them who they thought performed best. Results:Tugendhat 36%Sunak 25%Mordaunt 12%Badenoch 12%Truss 6% pic.twitter.com/0q4IliqQNM

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TheScreamingEagles

I speak for the nation and took part in this poll and called it for Tom, then Penny, then Rishi, then Badenoch in the distance, and Truss, oh dear.

OnboardG1

Second, like Riski

Omnium

I suspect Dorries is wondering why she didn't run given the Truss performance.

IshmaelZ

PB4TT

Leon

TheScreamingEagles said:

I speak for the nation.

Weird that you signed it "Mike Smithson" then

OnboardG1

Omnium said:

I suspect Dorries is wondering why she didn't run given the Truss performance.

Because there's only so much crazy that can co-exist in a space at once before you start getting worrying relativistic effects.

GIN1138

I was pleasantly surprised at Tom. Needs to cut down on the smiling a bit but otherwise came across as kind, sincere and honest.

IshmaelZ

This may not be a Tuggasm, but it's not the furthest thing in the world from it

TheScreamingEagles

I hear the most memorable moment tonight was Tom Tugendhat's honest assessment on the liar Johnson.

Leon

Prediction: it will be Mordaunt v Sunak in the final two, and Mordaunt will win, because the Tories don't want yet another posh banker type as PM, and Penny will remind them of Maggie

Not sure anything tonight has changed that

londonpubman

Might be a Liz free zone in the members' ballot 👍

StuartDickson

OnboardG1 said:

stjohn said:

One positive from tonight.

If, as seems likely, the final two are Penny and Rishi, then the ERG/right/Nad/Mogg/JRM/Baker/IDS/Brexiteers might all finally be wrested from their positions of power and washed down the plug hole.

The multitudinous seas incarnadine will reoxygenate and become green again. Rejoice at that news!

I, for one, look forward to six months of the ERG ensuring the business of government can't be maintained.

John Major’s bastards were nothing compared to the current crop of Tory bastards.

EPG

Did OGH have a Sunak position at any time?

Pulpstar

Tom's way too short at 54-1 because hrs about to head out at the MP round.

Carnyx

IshmaelZ said:

This may not be a Tuggasm, but it's not the furthest thing in the world from it

Eeeeeeew.

OnboardG1

StuartDickson said:

OnboardG1 said:

stjohn said:

One positive from tonight.

If, as seems likely, the final two are Penny and Rishi, then the ERG/right/Nad/Mogg/JRM/Baker/IDS/Brexiteers might all finally be wrested from their positions of power and washed down the plug hole.

The multitudinous seas incarnadine will reoxygenate and become green again. Rejoice at that news!

I, for one, look forward to six months of the ERG ensuring the business of government can't be maintained.

John Major’s bastards were nothing compared to the current crop of Tory bastards.

They're the same bastards though, just older and with a worse case of brain-rot.

Omnium

EPG said:

Did OGH have a Sunak position at any time?

I'm sure he'd have mentioned it.

GIN1138

Omnium said:

I suspect Dorries is wondering why she didn't run given the Truss performance.

Agreed.

She'd have given us all a laugh with her "performances" and most importantly would have made smarmy Rishi squirm...

Northern_Al

My summary:

Penny - unconvincing, vacuous
Kemi - more convincing, but still vacuous and no substance
Rishi - fluent and won, but creepy and untrustworthy
Liz - bad, mad, and sad
Tom - hello, centrist dad.

IshmaelZ

GIN1138 said:

I was pleasantly surprised at Tom. Needs to cut down on the smiling a bit but otherwise came across as kind, sincere and honest.

Also, good glassmanship

I thought Kemi scored points by turning out in that nice yellow. wtf were the other women thinking, going all drab when you don't have to?

DecrepiterJohnL

Betfair next pm:-

2.2 Penny Mordaunt 45%
3.55 Rishi Sunak 28%
4.5 Liz Truss 22%
38 Kemi Badenoch
50 Tom Tugendhat
240 Dominic Raab

solarflare

The bar graph is generously giving Truss an extra % over the text of the tweet. Must be the pity vote.

kle4

Leon said:

Prediction: it will be Mordaunt v Sunak in the final two, and Mordaunt will win, because the Tories don't want yet another posh banker type as PM, and Penny will remind them of Maggie

Not sure anything tonight has changed that

Rishi's MP backers will feel more comfortable he is still the right choice. But Mordaunt's biggest rival is Truss, not Sunak, and so she'll presumably be happy enough, as she has such an advantage with the members it will take more than one debate performance to knock that off course.

OnboardG1

IshmaelZ said:

GIN1138 said:

I was pleasantly surprised at Tom. Needs to cut down on the smiling a bit but otherwise came across as kind, sincere and honest.

Also, good glassmanship

I thought Kemi scored points by turning out in that nice yellow. wtf were the other women thinking, going all drab when you don't have to?

Truss should have turned up in a red evening dress to maximise the impression of unhinged, vampiric lunacy.

MikeL

You do have to wonder how Truss became the standard bearer of the right.

Presumably just because Boris made her Foreign Secretary.

You would have thought someone would have stopped and asked if she was the best they could find.

Northern_Al

I'd also add that it was good to see how united all five of them were on at least one issue.

Namely, that whoever has been in government for the last decade has done a rubbish job.

HYUFD

Tugendhat had his Clegg moment certainly

OnboardG1

MikeL said:

You do have to wonder how Truss became the standard bearer of the right.

Presumably just because Boris made her Foreign Secretary.

You would have thought someone would have stopped and asked if she was the best they could find.

Because the Tory right is stupid. Just like the Labour left.

Mexicanpete

TheScreamingEagles said:

I speak for the nation and took part in this poll and called it for Tom, then Penny, then Rishi, then Badenoch in the distance, and Truss, oh dear.

Haven't you just voted on the basis of your general !pre-debate) preferences?

GIN1138

OnboardG1 said:

IshmaelZ said:

GIN1138 said:

I was pleasantly surprised at Tom. Needs to cut down on the smiling a bit but otherwise came across as kind, sincere and honest.

Also, good glassmanship

I thought Kemi scored points by turning out in that nice yellow. wtf were the other women thinking, going all drab when you don't have to?

Truss should have turned up in a red evening dress to maximise the impression of unhinged, vampiric lunacy.

LOL!

dixiedean

IshmaelZ said:

GIN1138 said:

I was pleasantly surprised at Tom. Needs to cut down on the smiling a bit but otherwise came across as kind, sincere and honest.

Also, good glassmanship

I thought Kemi scored points by turning out in that nice yellow. wtf were the other women thinking, going all drab when you don't have to?

Course the super troll move would have been Rishi to wear the nice, yellow dress.

HYUFD

Leon said:

Prediction: it will be Mordaunt v Sunak in the final two, and Mordaunt will win, because the Tories don't want yet another posh banker type as PM, and Penny will remind them of Maggie

Not sure anything tonight has changed that

Sunak may be posh but the Tories haven't had a banker as leader since John Major

LostPassword

Tugendhat didn't do anything for me, except for his blunt assessment of Johnson's lack of honesty, but my wife felt that the audience liked him best, so either I missed something, or the public aren't yet ready to move on from giving Johnson a kicking.

TheScreamingEagles

Mexicanpete said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

I speak for the nation and took part in this poll and called it for Tom, then Penny, then Rishi, then Badenoch in the distance, and Truss, oh dear.

Haven't you just voted on the basis of your general !pre-debate) preferences?

No.

OnboardG1

Live scenes as Liz Truss celebrates after winning the debate:

IshmaelZ

MikeL said:

You do have to wonder how Truss became the standard bearer of the right.

Presumably just because Boris made her Foreign Secretary.

You would have thought someone would have stopped and asked if she was the best they could find.

No one told her when to run
She missed the starting gun

Turns out being in Indonesia when it all kicked off wasn't just happenstance, it was an objective correlative for utter uselessness, like King John losing the crown jewels in the Wash.

TheScreamingEagles

It has to be Penny, the country needs as Prime Minister somebody who has my sense of humour.

Under her Premiership she'll have the Queen or Chas saying things like 'cock' in the Queen's speech.

OnboardG1

dixiedean said:

IshmaelZ said:

GIN1138 said:

I was pleasantly surprised at Tom. Needs to cut down on the smiling a bit but otherwise came across as kind, sincere and honest.

Also, good glassmanship

I thought Kemi scored points by turning out in that nice yellow. wtf were the other women thinking, going all drab when you don't have to?

Course the super troll move would have been Rishi to wear the nice, yellow dress.

But what bathroom would he use dixie? That's what the members want to know apparently.

dixiedean

Does anyone think Truss could be next out after that?

RochdalePioneers

TheScreamingEagles said:

I hear the most memorable moment tonight was Tom Tugendhat's honest assessment on the liar Johnson.

"no"

Northern_Al

HYUFD said:

Leon said:

Prediction: it will be Mordaunt v Sunak in the final two, and Mordaunt will win, because the Tories don't want yet another posh banker type as PM, and Penny will remind them of Maggie

Not sure anything tonight has changed that

Sunak may be posh but the Tories haven't had a banker as leader since John Major

I was about to disagree and refer to BJ, but then I checked and I'd misread 'banker'.

Stereodog

OnboardG1 said:

IshmaelZ said:

GIN1138 said:

I was pleasantly surprised at Tom. Needs to cut down on the smiling a bit but otherwise came across as kind, sincere and honest.

Also, good glassmanship

I thought Kemi scored points by turning out in that nice yellow. wtf were the other women thinking, going all drab when you don't have to?

Truss should have turned up in a red evening dress to maximise the impression of unhinged, vampiric lunacy.

I thought Truss dressed like the kind of teacher you hated at school. Mordaunt dressed like the head teacher. I hated the fact that Sunak didn’t wear a tie. You know full well he has thousands of pounds worth in his walking in wardrobe but was told that he’d look cooler if he didn’t wear one.

kle4

I do at least feel Tom is not angling for a Cabinet position as much as some candidates in the race so far have. By being more unequivocal about Boris than most, and seemingly being a bit more sincere about a clean start, he is attacking the others more, in implicit fashion, for being part of what we need a break from. Which is not the way to get a promotion.

solarflare

LostPassword said:

Tugendhat didn't do anything for me, except for his blunt assessment of Johnson's lack of honesty, but my wife felt that the audience liked him best, so either I missed something, or the public aren't yet ready to move on from giving Johnson a kicking.

The next Prime Minister is just an effigy of Boris that people are allowed to punch as they walk past.

Casino_Royale

More of this ramping please.

I can then lay 1000/1 Tom at great prices.

Leon

kle4 said:

Leon said:

Prediction: it will be Mordaunt v Sunak in the final two, and Mordaunt will win, because the Tories don't want yet another posh banker type as PM, and Penny will remind them of Maggie

Not sure anything tonight has changed that

Rishi's MP backers will feel more comfortable he is still the right choice. But Mordaunt's biggest rival is Truss, not Sunak, and so she'll presumably be happy enough, as she has such an advantage with the members it will take more than one debate performance to knock that off course.

Yes, that's my take. Sunak probably did best tonight, but only Truss was calamitously bad, so even though Mordaunt somewhat underperformed, she has probably seen off her major rival (Sunak aside): for the last two

Are Tory MPs really going to put Truss in the final stages? No. Too risky. She might actually win. Badenoch is as clearly talented as she is clearly inexperienced. She needs 5 years at least in Cabinet, she's like an excellent player in the Under 17s in sport

Tugendhat got the sympathy vote because he has nothing to lose and nothing to win. He is irrelevant

It will, I am almost certain, be Mordaunt v Sunak

WhisperingOracle

Leon said:

Prediction: it will be Mordaunt v Sunak in the final two, and Mordaunt will win, because the Tories don't want yet another posh banker type as PM, and Penny will remind them of Maggie

Not sure anything tonight has changed that

I agree with the final two, but I think Mordaunt is a very, very different kettle of fish from Thatcher. She has skills of empathic communication that Thatcher was never close to having, and have come out well in her personal press conferences so far.

tlg86

TT made me want to puke.

WalterWhite

StuartDickson said:

OnboardG1 said:

stjohn said:

One positive from tonight.

If, as seems likely, the final two are Penny and Rishi, then the ERG/right/Nad/Mogg/JRM/Baker/IDS/Brexiteers might all finally be wrested from their positions of power and washed down the plug hole.

The multitudinous seas incarnadine will reoxygenate and become green again. Rejoice at that news!

I, for one, look forward to six months of the ERG ensuring the business of government can't be maintained.

John Major’s bastards were nothing compared to the current crop of Tory bastards.

There are no bastards like SNP bastards.

dixiedean

TheScreamingEagles said:

It has to be Penny, the country needs as Prime Minister somebody who has my sense of humour.

Under her Premiership she'll have the Queen or Chas saying things like 'cock' in the Queen's speech.

Are you saying she'll put cock in the mouth of HM?

kle4

RochdalePioneers said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

I hear the most memorable moment tonight was Tom Tugendhat's honest assessment on the liar Johnson.

"no"

The others seem to be tying themselves in knots as to why Boris is still awesome, but had to go.

If Rishi talks about giving the benefit of the doubt again I may scream.

I thought Tories were against being so generous with the giving of benefits anyway.

Casino_Royale

I thought Tugendhat was posh, stiff, formal and about 20 years out of date.

Maybe it's nostalgia.

TheScreamingEagles

dixiedean said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

It has to be Penny, the country needs as Prime Minister somebody who has my sense of humour.

Under her Premiership she'll have the Queen or Chas saying things like 'cock' in the Queen's speech.

Are you saying she'll put cock in the mouth of HM?

Yes.

Omnium

dixiedean said:

Does anyone think Truss could be next out after that?

Any MP backing her after that is probably derailing their own career. I guess there will be some cover story that she was ill or similar

TheScreamingEagles

tlg86 said:

TT made me want to puke.

Blimey, that is really showing your love for Tom, Carrie Johnson would be proud.

pigeon

dixiedean said:

Does anyone think Truss could be next out after that?

No. The hardcore ERG types have nowhere else to go.

IshmaelZ

OnboardG1 said:

dixiedean said:

IshmaelZ said:

GIN1138 said:

I was pleasantly surprised at Tom. Needs to cut down on the smiling a bit but otherwise came across as kind, sincere and honest.

Also, good glassmanship

I thought Kemi scored points by turning out in that nice yellow. wtf were the other women thinking, going all drab when you don't have to?

Course the super troll move would have been Rishi to wear the nice, yellow dress.

But what bathroom would he use dixie? That's what the members want to know apparently.

Absolute fail of a post. The best (least worst) thing to have emerged from all this is that there is a sane and rational consensus on the right hand side of the ledger about all that. It's an issue which can only bedamaging, and only to Labour.

GIN1138

tlg86 said:

TT made me want to puke.

Not a fan then?

Northern_Al

With my Labour hat on, I was most worried about Penny winning, and that spelling trouble for Labour.

I'm not worried any more. Very underwhelming, I thought, and would be out of her depth as PM.

IshmaelZ

tlg86 said:

TT made me want to puke.

because?

Casino_Royale

Liz Truss was a disgrace.

Andy_JS

tlg86 said:

TT made me want to puke.

Why, specifically?

RochdalePioneers

Northern_Al said:

With my Labour hat on, I was most worried about Penny winning, and that spelling trouble for Labour.

I'm not worried any more. Very underwhelming, I thought, and would be out of her depth as PM.

Whereas Kemi Badenoch has demonstrated why she is a very real threat.

kle4

GIN1138 said:

I was pleasantly surprised at Tom. Needs to cut down on the smiling a bit but otherwise came across as kind, sincere and honest.

So do all the best con men.

But seriously, he was mostly clear and articulate, and he is correct he would be a clean start from the past. I take Casino_Royale's point about his style being somewhat nostalgic, but there are worst things to be nostalgic about.

He should enjoy his weekend while he can, and with any luck at least not go backwards in supporters.

MikeL

Truss out to 4.7.

I suspect this reflects that even if MPs do put her into the Final against Sunak, she could well lose to him.

Members will watch debates and I suspect many will be willing to switch their choice.

Northern_Al

Casino_Royale said:

Liz Truss was a disgrace.

I think you mean ..................a.................................disgrace.

GIN1138

Casino_Royale said:

Liz Truss was a disgrace.

LOL! Why?

WhisperingOracle

Northern_Al said:

With my Labour hat on, I was most worried about Penny winning, and that spelling trouble for Labour.

I'm not worried any more. Very underwhelming, I thought, and would be out of her depth as PM.

I wouldn't agree with that. Her answer on the cost of living crisis - the importance of "keeping people going through the toughest times", immediately after Sunak's we've-done-everything-we-can smoothness, which can sometimes look like complacency, was once again both the most empathic, and the most politically and socially relevant for Labour.

Clearly the longer-form conversational style suits her more though. She should hope for a different format next time.

IshmaelZ

OnboardG1 said:

IshmaelZ said:

GIN1138 said:

I was pleasantly surprised at Tom. Needs to cut down on the smiling a bit but otherwise came across as kind, sincere and honest.

Also, good glassmanship

I thought Kemi scored points by turning out in that nice yellow. wtf were the other women thinking, going all drab when you don't have to?

Truss should have turned up in a red evening dress to maximise the impression of unhinged, vampiric lunacy.

She would still have looked as if her best unhinged, vampiric lunacy days were a decade behind her

Scott_xP

** The Telegraph’s Peterborough column **

Is Boris going to set up his own political party like En Marche? A Tory donor tells us he is willing to fund it…

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/07/15/boris-going-set-political-party/

Tres

Stereodog said:

OnboardG1 said:

IshmaelZ said:

GIN1138 said:

I was pleasantly surprised at Tom. Needs to cut down on the smiling a bit but otherwise came across as kind, sincere and honest.

Also, good glassmanship

I thought Kemi scored points by turning out in that nice yellow. wtf were the other women thinking, going all drab when you don't have to?

Truss should have turned up in a red evening dress to maximise the impression of unhinged, vampiric lunacy.

I thought Truss dressed like the kind of teacher you hated at school. Mordaunt dressed like the head teacher. I hated the fact that Sunak didn’t wear a tie. You know full well he has thousands of pounds worth in his walking in wardrobe but was told that he’d look cooler if he didn’t wear one.

covid has killed ties, only salesmen wear them these days

MaxPB

pigeon said:

dixiedean said:

Does anyone think Truss could be next out after that?

No. The hardcore ERG types have nowhere else to go.

Kemi. She'll pick up a lot of those braverman votes and probably quite a few of the TT votes as well. I wouldn't be surprised if the final three becomes Kemi, Rishi and Penny and a final two of Rishi vs one of the other two.

williamglenn

Casino_Royale said:

Liz Truss was a disgrace.

"We import two thirds of our candidates..."

Andy_JS

Casino_Royale said:

Liz Truss was a disgrace.

Being a disgrace sounds more serious than just being useless. (I'm going to watch the debate later tonight).

SeaShantyIrish2

Omnium said:

dixiedean said:

Does anyone think Truss could be next out after that?

Any MP backing her after that is probably derailing their own career. I guess there will be some cover story that she was ill or similar

It is a SECRET vote, right (and correct)?

OnboardG1

Scott_xP said:

** The Telegraph’s Peterborough column **

Is Boris going to set up his own political party like En Marche? A Tory donor tells us he is willing to fund it…

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/07/15/boris-going-set-political-party/

Please, please, please do. Nothing would be funnier.

GIN1138

Scott_xP said:

** The Telegraph’s Peterborough column **

Is Boris going to set up his own political party like En Marche? A Tory donor tells us he is willing to fund it…

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/07/15/boris-going-set-political-party/

He'll never do it. For a start setting up a political takes organization skills that the current Prime Minister is somewhat lacking in...

solarflare

It always comes back to "who do you trust with the nuke codes" and, um, it's not great really is it.

Sunak, maybe, because he's so fiscally responsible he doesn't want to waste the money, or something. Or Tugendhat: sensibly boring, boringly sensible. The others. Ummmm...

Leon

Casino_Royale said:

I thought Tugendhat was posh, stiff, formal and about 20 years out of date.

Maybe it's nostalgia.

I agree. I felt he is stupid. Just stupid. Why am I even bothering to sugar the pill? He's DIM

I know his type and he's like Ben Wallace. Fucking stupid if above average - IQ about 120 - but due to posh class status they over-estimate themselves by an order of magnitude. I often wonder if Cameron was the same

OnboardG1

IshmaelZ said:

OnboardG1 said:

IshmaelZ said:

GIN1138 said:

I was pleasantly surprised at Tom. Needs to cut down on the smiling a bit but otherwise came across as kind, sincere and honest.

Also, good glassmanship

I thought Kemi scored points by turning out in that nice yellow. wtf were the other women thinking, going all drab when you don't have to?

Truss should have turned up in a red evening dress to maximise the impression of unhinged, vampiric lunacy.

She would still have looked as if her best unhinged, vampiric lunacy days were a decade behind her

She could have lept across the stage and chowed down on TT. Might even have been a slight improvement.

DecrepiterJohnL

DecrepiterJohnL said:

Betfair next pm:-

2.2 Penny Mordaunt 45%
3.55 Rishi Sunak 28%
4.5 Liz Truss 22%
38 Kemi Badenoch
50 Tom Tugendhat
240 Dominic Raab

2.2 Penny Mordaunt 45%
3.3 Rishi Sunak 30%
4.6 Liz Truss 22%
34 Kemi Badenoch
55 Tom Tugendhat
240 Dominic Raab

IshmaelZ

GIN1138 said:

Scott_xP said:

** The Telegraph’s Peterborough column **

Is Boris going to set up his own political party like En Marche? A Tory donor tells us he is willing to fund it…

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/07/15/boris-going-set-political-party/

He'll never do it. For a start setting up a political takes organization skills that the current Prime Minister is somewhat lacking in...

Carrie will do the legwork

Scott_xP

GIN1138 said:

Scott_xP said:

** The Telegraph’s Peterborough column **

Is Boris going to set up his own political party like En Marche? A Tory donor tells us he is willing to fund it…

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/07/15/boris-going-set-political-party/

He'll never do it. For a start setting up a political takes organization skills that the current Prime Minister is somewhat lacking in...

He'll get Dom to do the hard work...

Casino_Royale

solarflare said:

It always comes back to "who do you trust with the nuke codes" and, um, it's not great really is it.

Sunak, maybe, because he's so fiscally responsible he doesn't want to waste the money, or something. Or Tugendhat: sensibly boring, boringly sensible. The others. Ummmm...

Wot? I was shitting a brick the whole time Boris had them.

Say what you will about tonight's candidates but I don't with them.

Except Truss - maybe.

FrancisUrquhart

Boris Party would be less en marche, more like en my fat arse.

MarqueeMark

Leon said:

Casino_Royale said:

I thought Tugendhat was posh, stiff, formal and about 20 years out of date.

Maybe it's nostalgia.

I agree. I felt he is stupid. Just stupid. Why am I even bothering to sugar the pill? He's DIM

I know his type and he's like Ben Wallace. Fucking stupid if above average - IQ about 120 - but due to posh class status they over-estimate themselves by an order of magnitude. I often wonder if Cameron was the same

With the benefit of a little distance, it does seem that way.

tlg86

Andy_JS said:

tlg86 said:

TT made me want to puke.

Why, specifically?

The bit about the NHS. I know all politicians lay it on thick with audience interaction, but he took it to a new level.

FrankBooth

In a way Tugendhat ought to win because he wasn't really trying to offer red meat to the base but talking to the country.

IshmaelZ

MaxPB said:

pigeon said:

dixiedean said:

Does anyone think Truss could be next out after that?

No. The hardcore ERG types have nowhere else to go.

Kemi. She'll pick up a lot of those braverman votes and probably quite a few of the TT votes as well. I wouldn't be surprised if the final three becomes Kemi, Rishi and Penny and a final two of Rishi vs one of the other two.

There was something very flirty about Kemi saying to TT "he'll think differently when he's a minister." My dream is they have now hooked up at the afterparty and will announce a joint bid in the morning

Leon

Tres said:

Stereodog said:

OnboardG1 said:

IshmaelZ said:

GIN1138 said:

I was pleasantly surprised at Tom. Needs to cut down on the smiling a bit but otherwise came across as kind, sincere and honest.

Also, good glassmanship

I thought Kemi scored points by turning out in that nice yellow. wtf were the other women thinking, going all drab when you don't have to?

Truss should have turned up in a red evening dress to maximise the impression of unhinged, vampiric lunacy.

I thought Truss dressed like the kind of teacher you hated at school. Mordaunt dressed like the head teacher. I hated the fact that Sunak didn’t wear a tie. You know full well he has thousands of pounds worth in his walking in wardrobe but was told that he’d look cooler if he didn’t wear one.

covid has killed ties, only salesmen wear them these days

It's a good point. I wonder if the necktie is going the way of the hat, after Spanish flu

From universal to invisible, in a couple of decades (but accelerated here)

TheScreamingEagles

Sir Keir Starmer is showing he is unfit to be Prime Minister, here's wearing the outfit of the football hooligan, Stone Fecking Island.

OnboardG1

IshmaelZ said:

MaxPB said:

pigeon said:

dixiedean said:

Does anyone think Truss could be next out after that?

No. The hardcore ERG types have nowhere else to go.

Kemi. She'll pick up a lot of those braverman votes and probably quite a few of the TT votes as well. I wouldn't be surprised if the final three becomes Kemi, Rishi and Penny and a final two of Rishi vs one of the other two.

There was something very flirty about Kemi saying to TT "he'll think differently when he's a minister." My dream is they have now hooked up at the afterparty and will announce a joint bid in the morning

Well there's the unpleasant nightmare fuel for the evening... night all.

Stereodog

Watching that debate I was powerfully reminded of Jack Johnson and John Jackson, the two clone candidates from Futurama.

“ Johnson: I say your three cent titanium tax goes too far.
Jackson: And I say your three cent titanium tax doesn't go too far enough!”

RochdalePioneers

Casino_Royale said:

solarflare said:

It always comes back to "who do you trust with the nuke codes" and, um, it's not great really is it.

Sunak, maybe, because he's so fiscally responsible he doesn't want to waste the money, or something. Or Tugendhat: sensibly boring, boringly sensible. The others. Ummmm...

Wot? I was shitting a brick the whole time Boris had them.

Say what you will about tonight's candidates but I don't with them.

Except Truss - maybe.

Boris is the Prime Minister.

He still has the launch codes.

Eabhal

Scott_xP said:

** The Telegraph’s Peterborough column **

Is Boris going to set up his own political party like En Marche? A Tory donor tells us he is willing to fund it…

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/07/15/boris-going-set-political-party/

The full Salmond

Omnium

SeaShantyIrish2 said:

Omnium said:

dixiedean said:

Does anyone think Truss could be next out after that?

Any MP backing her after that is probably derailing their own career. I guess there will be some cover story that she was ill or similar

It is a SECRET vote, right (and correct)?

Yes, but there are quite a few MPs that have declared their support for her. One or two (Kwarteng, Davison, etc) may well wish to reconsider.

turbotubbs

Tres said:

Stereodog said:

OnboardG1 said:

IshmaelZ said:

GIN1138 said:

I was pleasantly surprised at Tom. Needs to cut down on the smiling a bit but otherwise came across as kind, sincere and honest.

Also, good glassmanship

I thought Kemi scored points by turning out in that nice yellow. wtf were the other women thinking, going all drab when you don't have to?

Truss should have turned up in a red evening dress to maximise the impression of unhinged, vampiric lunacy.

I thought Truss dressed like the kind of teacher you hated at school. Mordaunt dressed like the head teacher. I hated the fact that Sunak didn’t wear a tie. You know full well he has thousands of pounds worth in his walking in wardrobe but was told that he’d look cooler if he didn’t wear one.

covid has killed ties, only salesmen wear them these days

Time to kill them off for good. In today’s enlightened times, why shoul smart dress for people who identify as female be a floaty summer dress, and for mean a suit and tie? Business attire is changing, and for the better. What is the point of a tie?

Edit: posted after wearing said tie for 10 hours at graduation today...

Carnyx

Casino_Royale said:

solarflare said:

It always comes back to "who do you trust with the nuke codes" and, um, it's not great really is it.

Sunak, maybe, because he's so fiscally responsible he doesn't want to waste the money, or something. Or Tugendhat: sensibly boring, boringly sensible. The others. Ummmm...

Wot? I was shitting a brick the whole time Boris had them.

Say what you will about tonight's candidates but I don't with them.

Except Truss - maybe.

Truss *definitely*.

OnboardG1

TheScreamingEagles said:

Sir Keir Starmer is showing he is unfit to be Prime Minister, here's wearing the outfit of the football hooligan, Stone Fecking Island.

Come and ave a go if you fink yer ard enuff.

FrancisUrquhart

TheScreamingEagles said:

Sir Keir Starmer is showing he is unfit to be Prime Minister, here's wearing the outfit of the football hooligan, Stone Fecking Island.

Just showing his working class credentials.