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Looks like not enough young men went out to vote for yes to win. Most yes voters are happy with a close loss. This will ensure the devomax they wanted. In Glasgow the vote went down old firm lines. I have not met a Ctic no voter or a rangers yes voter.0
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One can hope.not_on_fire said:@numbertwelve Hasn't Salmond said he'll resign if there is a NO victory?
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As others have already said, nice to see you back, Jack. Hope everything's great, and that your ARSE is in full working order.JackW said:SkyNews "Optimistic noises coming from Westminster ministers"
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Yes drifting like the proverbial.
Unsure how anyone can have the information so soon to shift the odds so decisively - Betfair herding perhaps?0 -
There'll be a recap of the campaign.SouthamObserver said:
For five bloody hours??!!Howard said:
How WONDERFUL the engagement is. Particularly Brian Taylor, who will be very poetic.SouthamObserver said:What are they going to talk about until the results come in?
Then a piece on the history of Scotland/the Union.
Then another recap.
Then an insightful visit to a Glasgow chippy.
Then a discussion on the opinion polls.
Then some stupid graphics from Jeremy Vine.
Then another recap.
Then a piece of Robbie Burns.
And a final recap.
... All punctuated, of course, with lots and lots of Nick Robinson and Brian Taylor.0 -
23 month trend is what its all about ask Mr XTheScreamingEagles said:
Calm down, what you should do is, compare it to the price 24 hours agoSeanT said:Aaargh
Betfair coming in again0 -
#BREAKING:Latest YouGov poll suggests Scottish Referendum exit poll results are 54% No, 46% Yes. Counting underway. No results expected soon0
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Whatever happens, UKIP marches on. This Scottish vote has been a real distraction from the main political battle that will reshape England.0
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Will be happy enough if that's right.0
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TY TSE - in line with Ave it 44-560
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Yougov 54 No 46 Yes0
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Latest YouGov poll suggests Scottish Referendum exit poll results are 54% No, 46% Yes. Counting underway. No results expected soon
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It would be funny if Celtic vs Salzburg on telly was the difference. Bread and circuses!hamiltonace said:Looks like not enough young men went out to vote for yes to win. Most yes voters are happy with a close loss. This will ensure the devomax they wanted. In Glasgow the vote went down old firm lines. I have not met a Ctic no voter or a rangers yes voter.
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Right, I just wanted to see the YouGov. I'm off, though I may check the TV coverage during the night/early morning later.
Goodnight, fellow Britons.0 -
I remember he said he will resign and disband the SNP if its a YES vote (desperate stuff).not_on_fire said:@numbertwelve Hasn't Salmond said he'll resign if there is a NO victory?
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And then there's the postal votes.TheScreamingEagles said:#BREAKING:Latest YouGov poll suggests Scottish Referendum exit poll results are 54% No, 46% Yes. Counting underway. No results expected soon
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Looks like it's going to be decisive.
Financially it's a win but i'd have rather seen Yes prevail and swallow the loss.
Pffft.0 -
Don't be stupid , it was 2 hours out of a 15 hour windowfoxinsoxuk said:
It would be funny if Celtic vs Salzburg on telly was the difference. Bread and circuses!hamiltonace said:Looks like not enough young men went out to vote for yes to win. Most yes voters are happy with a close loss. This will ensure the devomax they wanted. In Glasgow the vote went down old firm lines. I have not met a Ctic no voter or a rangers yes voter.
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Betfair 11 now.0
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It'll have to learn how to fight a ground war first...MikeK said:Whatever happens, UKIP marches on. This Scottish vote has been a real distraction from the main political battle that will reshape England.
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which one's that ? Must have missed it.MikeK said:Whatever happens, UKIP marches on. This Scottish vote has been a real distraction from the main political battle that will reshape England.
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Front of the mail should help.MikeK said:Whatever happens, UKIP marches on. This Scottish vote has been a real distraction from the main political battle that will reshape England.
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That's presumably against YouGov's same sample earlier in the week of No 52, Yes 48.. a small but probably significant late shift.0
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betfair out to 110
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Betfair - Yes = 90
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Scotland’s final referendum result now looks likely to come in at 54% for No, 46% for Yes. Confirmation is expected at around breakfast time.
The Sun’s pollsters surveyed almost 2,000 Scots after they had been to the polling stations, and detected a small defection from Yes to No - doubling the unionists’ four point lead on the eve of the historic vote on Wednesday night.0 -
£ rockets to 164.250
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Is the ARSE going to be proved infallible?0
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(Disenfranchised) Scots work colleague wants Yes so as to inject a dose of the cold light of economic reality to our Caledonian chums. Reckons it will swing them rightwards0
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On the contrary, it has shown how easily the political class takes fright and offers all sorts of concessions if you kick them in the ballot box. Vote Fargle get change.Innocent_Abroad said:MikeK said:Whatever happens, UKIP marches on. This Scottish vote has been a real distraction from the main political battle that will reshape England.
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She's in the morning and she's not poltitical!!!! Let's not be all bloky and rate the sky news ladies. I'm too drunk to type quick enough for a start....Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Briskin, ah. Cheers. Prefer Sarah Jane Mee, to be honest.
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There is no exit poll and for YouGov to say there is and that they carried it out is a criminal lie.TheScreamingEagles said:#BREAKING:Latest YouGov poll suggests Scottish Referendum exit poll results are 54% No, 46% Yes. Counting underway. No results expected soon
Mike Smithson @MSmithsonPB 1m
To underline. Tonight's YouGov IndyRef survey IS NOT AN EXIT POLL0 -
Oh dear, Salmond.0
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Mike Smithson @MSmithsonPB 3s
To underline. Tonight's YouGov IndyRef survey IS NOT AN EXIT POLL0 -
If it's a No I sincerely hope there will be a genuine debate on the future of the constitution of these islands and not a rushed implementation of devo-more which doesn't address the position of England.
Any proposals should have as one of their fundamental considerations the future of Northern Ireland. As things stand the only conceivable definitive solution is the eventual reunification of NI with the Republic but if we had a true Federation of the British Isles (with a ready made cool acronym) then the alternative of Ireland reunifying with the UK would start to become thinkable. We'd need serious reform of the monarchy and probably the abolition of the house of Lords to make this possible. I'd suggest putting the federal government in Manchester so that we could also help rebalance the country.0 -
Anyone planning on opening a book on Gordon Brown being next first minister in Scotland.HYUFD said:Yougov 54 No 46 Yes
When the sh*t hits the fan he is brilliant, it is the day to day grind of running a country he wasn't suited for. Bit like Churchill really.0 -
It isn't even a proper exit poll and could be quite wrong. Too close to call - still.0
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Right, I want some results now....0
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Is there a link for this?TheScreamingEagles said:Scotland’s final referendum result now looks likely to come in at 54% for No, 46% for Yes. Confirmation is expected at around breakfast time.
The Sun’s pollsters surveyed almost 2,000 Scots after they had been to the polling stations, and detected a small defection from Yes to No - doubling the unionists’ four point lead on the eve of the historic vote on Wednesday night.0 -
Dear Lord, did I really compare Gordon Brown to Churchill.....0
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Confirms the trend in the last 24 hours with the final two polls showing No +6, up from No +4.
If there are a few shy Nos it could well be close to 45/55.0 -
Kellner just staked his reputation that it is a 99% chance of a No win0
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you really are a loonyPaul_Mid_Beds said:
Anyone planning on opening a book on Gordon Brown being next first minister in Scotland.HYUFD said:Yougov 54 No 46 Yes
When the sh*t hits the fan he is brilliant, it is the day to day grind of running a country he wasn't suited for. Bit like Churchill really.0 -
crossover 40.01 to 45% now 2.4
45.01 to 50% 2.41
but uncrossover whilst typing!!!!0 -
A friend of mine is at a count south of Glasgow and reports an average turnout of 80% across a number of wards in her area0
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Can I now dare to hope that I am about to blow a few hundred quid and enter the pantheon of crappest tipsters in history?0
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Not sure the YouGov 'exit' poll is really telling us that much beyond the normal polls of the past few days.
A YES vote will require significant mis-weighting / unrepresentative samples in the polls. The same was true this morning. And still entirely possible, with the YES odds of 14+ looking much too high.0 -
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Whatever the result. Isn't this marvellous that we can all chatter away in total freedom to say what we think with our fellow citizens on such an important event ? There must be people lurking and following us in envy in less fortunate parts of the world. It's great. It's precious.
End of pompous post.0 -
Western isles aeroplane grounded due to fog fishing boat required0
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I hope so, no offence!SouthamObserver said:Can I now dare to hope that I am about to blow a few hundred quid and enter the pantheon of crappest tipsters in history?
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They said that about CullodenHoward said:It isn't even a proper exit poll and could be quite wrong. Too close to call - still.
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Trouble in Stornoway - votes from the Western Isles cannot be flown in due to weather problems.0
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Kellner on newsnight saying 99% No.
Hostage to fortune or what!!0 -
NEW THREAD0
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You mean you left at some time???SouthamObserver said:Can I now dare to hope that I am about to blow a few hundred quid and enter the pantheon of crappest tipsters in history?
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Paul Too early to declare anything yet, but if that is the result he can certainly claim much of the credit0
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Alex Salmond "The people of Scotland have spoken"........."The Bastards"0
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If the pollsters really loved us, they could release reweighted versions of their final polls based on the turnout figures. That would eliminate most of the need to speculate whether the high turnout is good for yes or no0
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No, I believe it's based on re-contacting the people who participated in their final pre-vote poll? But it does bear out the earlier pollis which suggested a modest late swing to no.dr_spyn said:Mike Smithson @MSmithsonPB 3s
To underline. Tonight's YouGov IndyRef survey IS NOT AN EXIT POLL0 -
If the maestro Kellner calls it, it's all over folks.0
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It survives for long enough for us hopefully to make it better rather than just casting it aside.Tykejohnno said:
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The quid races to $164.50
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It could still be YES. It's a bit premature to start buying £'s, You may lose all by morning.0
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I didn't rely on an exit poll for my competition prediction. As soon as Jack's ARSE said it would be 40/60 I thought the game was over. Even so there are still a few flapheads here predicting gloom, doom and more or it.
However I may set my alarm clock for 05.00 tomorrow to see what has actually transpired. One of the benefits of being made redundant is not having to get up early for work!
I sincerely hope the Scots have voted no but then I hope our politicians seek to understand why and then address their concerns IF that is possible.0 -
Speedy Classic!0
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RUMOURS of postal votes in the Edinburgh West area being:
YES - 23%
NO - 77%0 -
It was Gordon wot won it.
His influence has been critical....0 -
Always been surprised by this "conventional opinion" that 16-17 years olds should be strongly yes. Thousands of young Scots leave Scotland every year to travel, to go to university or just to live life. Some because they want to permanently move away from Scotland, some despite wanting to return later. But one thing these people haven't decided is that their future is restricted to Scotland. Many 16-17 year olds are very close to having to make these life changing decisions and Independence, leaving the EU (even if temporarily) etc etc couldn't come at a worse time for them. They would be the ones most negatively affected by the turmoil, even if it might benefit Scotland in the long run. It's trite and patronising to assume that they are not mature or capable enough to consider this.
Those most in favour of Scottish Independence are those who have committed themselves to Scotland for the long term. Those who may have moved away when younger but are now settled permanently. 16-17 year olds don't want to be restricted by unnecessary borders. And such restrictions would be inevitable once the UK became a foreign country.0 -
Always been surprised by this "conventional opinion" that 16-17 years olds should be strongly yes. Thousands of young Scots leave Scotland every year to travel, to go to university or just to live life. Some because they want to permanently move away from Scotland, some despite wanting to return later. But one thing these people haven't decided is that their future is restricted to Scotland. Many 16-17 year olds are very close to having to make these life changing decisions and Independence, leaving the EU (even if temporarily) etc etc couldn't come at a worse time for them. They would be the ones most negatively affected by the turmoil, even if it might benefit Scotland in the long run. It's trite and patronising to assume that they are not mature or capable enough to consider this.
Those most in favour of Scottish Independence are those who have committed themselves to Scotland for the long term. Those who may have moved away when younger but are now settled permanently. 16-17 year olds don't want to be restricted by unnecessary borders. And such restrictions would be inevitable once the UK became a foreign country.0 -
Always been surprised by this "conventional opinion" that 16-17 years olds should be strongly yes. Thousands of young Scots leave Scotland every year to travel, to go to university or just to live life. Some because they want to permanently move away from Scotland, some despite wanting to return later. But one thing these people haven't decided is that their future is restricted to Scotland. Many 16-17 year olds are very close to having to make these life changing decisions and Independence, leaving the EU (even if temporarily) etc etc couldn't come at a worse time for them. They would be the ones most negatively affected by the turmoil, even if it might benefit Scotland in the long run. It's trite and patronising to assume that they are not mature or capable enough to consider this.
Those most in favour of Scottish Independence are those who have committed themselves to Scotland for the long term. Those who may have moved away when younger but are now settled permanently. 16-17 year olds don't want to be restricted by unnecessary borders. And such restrictions would be inevitable once the UK became a foreign country.0 -
Always been surprised by this "conventional opinion" that 16-17 years olds should be strongly yes. Thousands of young Scots leave Scotland every year to travel, to go to university or just to live life. Some because they want to permanently move away from Scotland, some despite wanting to return later. But one thing these people haven't decided is that their future is restricted to Scotland. Many 16-17 year olds are very close to having to make these life changing decisions and Independence, leaving the EU (even if temporarily) etc etc couldn't come at a worse time for them. They would be the ones most negatively affected by the turmoil, even if it might benefit Scotland in the long run. It's trite and patronising to assume that they are not mature or capable enough to consider this.
Those most in favour of Scottish Independence are those who have committed themselves to Scotland for the long term. Those who may have moved away when younger but are now settled permanently. 16-17 year olds don't want to be restricted by unnecessary borders. And such restrictions would be inevitable once the UK became a foreign country.0 -
Always been surprised by this "conventional opinion" that 16-17 years olds should be strongly yes. Thousands of young Scots leave Scotland every year to travel, to go to university or just to live life. Some because they want to permanently move away from Scotland, some despite wanting to return later. But one thing these people haven't decided is that their future is restricted to Scotland. Many 16-17 year olds are very close to having to make these life changing decisions and Independence, leaving the EU (even if temporarily) etc etc couldn't come at a worse time for them. They would be the ones most negatively affected by the turmoil, even if it might benefit Scotland in the long run. It's trite and patronising to assume that they are not mature or capable enough to consider this.
Those most in favour of Scottish Independence are those who have committed themselves to Scotland for the long term. Those who may have moved away when younger but are now settled permanently. 16-17 year olds don't want to be restricted by unnecessary borders. And such restrictions would be inevitable once the UK became a foreign country.0 -
Always been surprised by this "conventional opinion" that 16-17 years olds should be strongly yes. Thousands of young Scots leave Scotland every year to travel, to go to university or just to live life. Some because they want to permanently move away from Scotland, some despite wanting to return later. But one thing these people haven't decided is that their future is restricted to Scotland. Many 16-17 year olds are very close to having to make these life changing decisions and Independence, leaving the EU (even if temporarily) etc etc couldn't come at a worse time for them. They would be the ones most negatively affected by the turmoil, even if it might benefit Scotland in the long run. It's trite and patronising to assume that they are not mature or capable enough to consider this.
Those most in favour of Scottish Independence are those who have committed themselves to Scotland for the long term. Those who may have moved away when younger but are now settled permanently. 16-17 year olds don't want to be restricted by unnecessary borders. And such restrictions would be inevitable once the UK became a foreign country.0