As big dog Gromit quits Wallace is who Tory members want to replace him – politicalbetting.com

OnlyLivingBoy said:

Applicant said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

BartholomewRoberts said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

Tory MPs queueing up to deliver the eulogies after stabbing him in the back... The chutzpah is incredible.

Someone here yesterday came up with the perfect epitaph for Boris:

Got the big calls right, treated the small calls with utter contempt.

Got the biggest call (Brexit) wrong. Treated the voters with utter contempt.

Implementing the biggest democratic vote in British history is treating the voters with utter contempt? OK then...

Lied to them to win the Brexit vote. Lied to them in 2019 about his deal. Lied to them about levelling up. Lied to them about 40 new hospitals. Lied in the house of commons. Lied to the cabinet. Yeah, he's treated the voters, actually our entire democratic system, with contempt. Good riddance.

You said "Got the biggest call (Brexit) wrong". But it's the alternative to this (ignoring the vote and remaining in the EU anyway as advocated by SKS) is what would have been treating the voters with contempt.

Boris's negatives far outweigh his positives - but he did have positives.

"(((Dan Hodges)))
@DPJHodges

It’s perfectly sensible for Boris to remain in post until the new leader is appointed. No need to add further disruption with an interim PM.
9:30 AM · Jul 7, 2022"

rottenborough said:

wooliedyed said:

Leon said:

wooliedyed said:

Applicant said:

Andy_JS said:

When will the first ballot be held?

Best guess, Friday 15th (it is a Commons sitting Friday) or Monday 18th, with a view to being down to two candidates by Thursday 21st latest.

They will 100% be down to 2 by recess and no more than 4 weeks voting. Maximum caretaker run of 6 weeks.

I forget how this is done. Will there by hustings and debates and speeches?

Probably! I cant recall. Ideally we get to 2 in 2 weeks and they agree a 'deal' and hes gone at recess

Yes there will be all that stuff, but only if it gets to the members vote. They'll have to keep hustings down to a minimum or Johnson really will be there until October i.e. forget doing one in every region.

4 week process i reckon once we have 2

“Thems the breaks” said the worlds worst driving instructor

TheScreamingEagles said:

Applicant said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Applicant said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

BartholomewRoberts said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

Tory MPs queueing up to deliver the eulogies after stabbing him in the back... The chutzpah is incredible.

Someone here yesterday came up with the perfect epitaph for Boris:

Got the big calls right, treated the small calls with utter contempt.

Got the biggest call (Brexit) wrong. Treated the voters with utter contempt.

Implementing the biggest democratic vote in British history is treating the voters with utter contempt? OK then...

Nope that was the 1992 election, more people voted in that the Brexit referendum.

17.4 million is bigger than 14.1 million.

Oh you don't do simple maths, you're one of those numpties.

But it's true. The 17.4m who voted to Leave is more people, in absolute terms, than have voted for any cause, leader or party in any British election or referendum: in history

kle4 said:

darkage said:

dixiedean said:

I thought that was a dull speech. Not dignified, nor appalling, nor interesting.
What am I missing?

Well, it was a long way from a Trump speech. He seems to accept the situation. Which is something.

Boris's enablers don't give the same level of backing as Trump's. They have limits, which puts some on him.

His problem is that he got rid of the "enemy within" 2 years ago; his supporters then all turned on each other and, eventually, the man himself.
This came about and was rapidly accelerated by continuous misjudgements of his own doing.

Leon said:

boulay said:

What was his snark about the protection police being the “one group who never leak”?

No, he said the "one group that never leave". He was paying tribute to their hard work, 24/7

That was how I heard it first time - second time I was sure it was leak....

Uxbridge by-election in the autumn.

I'm sure this has already been posted, but I'm too tired to go through the old threads:

MarqueeMark said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

BartholomewRoberts said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

Tory MPs queueing up to deliver the eulogies after stabbing him in the back... The chutzpah is incredible.

Someone here yesterday came up with the perfect epitaph for Boris:

Got the big calls right, treated the small calls with utter contempt.

Got the biggest call (Brexit) wrong. Treated the voters with utter contempt.

You could not be more utterly wrong. The people who treated the voters with contempt were those who tried to overturn Brexit. Foremost amongst them SKS.

Boris listened to the calls to leave the EU - and acted. For that, he was rewarded with an 80 seat majority.

It was his casual relationship with the truth that did for him.

I have some sympathy with this point of view although I think I would put it slightly differently.

I agree with you that the Remainer Parliament was a farce. I mean, at times ridiculous and contemptuous for democracy.

But the seeds of that were sown long before, as I think you will agree if you are candid with yourself, in a referendum that was not properly conceived, either in delivery or potential outcomes and in a Brexit which was never properly drafted, by any of the protagonists.

Basically Cameron didn't think remain would lose so he never properly considered what would happen if it did. And that in itself was the ultimate contempt: a disregard for what was happening in the country outside of the Metropolitan elite south. This latter was not all of Cameron's fault but went back many years into a contempt amongst Blairites and EU officials alike.

So with regards to Brexit, Boris was really the populist rabble rouser to push it over the line. He too never thought it through but then he has never thought anything through.

Bad politics from Starmer, promising a VONC if Boris doesn’t go.

I think he’s too sucked in to his Boris-hatred to see the wood for trees.

Boris is now castrated. The story has moved on.

SandyRentool said:

Uxbridge by-election in the autumn.

Probably November. Writ moved once parliament returns after conferences if Boz takes the hundred straight away

Applicant said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

Applicant said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

BartholomewRoberts said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

Tory MPs queueing up to deliver the eulogies after stabbing him in the back... The chutzpah is incredible.

Someone here yesterday came up with the perfect epitaph for Boris:

Got the big calls right, treated the small calls with utter contempt.

Got the biggest call (Brexit) wrong. Treated the voters with utter contempt.

Implementing the biggest democratic vote in British history is treating the voters with utter contempt? OK then...

Lied to them to win the Brexit vote. Lied to them in 2019 about his deal. Lied to them about levelling up. Lied to them about 40 new hospitals. Lied in the house of commons. Lied to the cabinet. Yeah, he's treated the voters, actually our entire democratic system, with contempt. Good riddance.

You said "Got the biggest call (Brexit) wrong". But it's the alternative to this (ignoring the vote and remaining in the EU anyway as advocated by SKS) is what would have been treating the voters with contempt.

Boris's negatives far outweigh his positives - but he did have positives.

Johnson's lies during the Brexit campaign was what put us in the dire position of either inflicting a costly policy error on the economy or damaging trust in our democracy. There was no good outcome from there, but it was Johnson who put us there. We should have implemented a soft Brexit but that was blocked by May's red lines and the Tories whipping against those options in the Commons. And Johnson doesn't even believe in Brexit, the whole thing is simply a testimony to his infinite vanity and ambition.

Leon said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Applicant said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Applicant said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

BartholomewRoberts said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

Tory MPs queueing up to deliver the eulogies after stabbing him in the back... The chutzpah is incredible.

Someone here yesterday came up with the perfect epitaph for Boris:

Got the big calls right, treated the small calls with utter contempt.

Got the biggest call (Brexit) wrong. Treated the voters with utter contempt.

Implementing the biggest democratic vote in British history is treating the voters with utter contempt? OK then...

Nope that was the 1992 election, more people voted in that the Brexit referendum.

17.4 million is bigger than 14.1 million.

Oh you don't do simple maths, you're one of those numpties.

But it's true. The 17.4m who voted to Leave is more people, in absolute terms, than have voted for any cause, leader or party in any British election or referendum: in history

Oh wait you're comparing the vote splits in a binary choice plebiscite with a multi party election.

boulay said:

What was his snark about the protection police being the “one group who never leak”?

They always get their round in.

IshmaelZ said:

SKS not voncing this afternoon would be the biggest unforced error in political history

HoC votes aren't secret. How can any tory mp vote confidence in him?

I think there would be huge numbers of Tory abstentions and Labour could bring the Govt down. They'd be foolish not to.

Tory Sources believe new PM will be in place by September.

New 1922 executive likely to agree rules on Monday. Expectation down to final two by summer break - with contest running during recess.

But some Tory MPs want PM out immediately

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-62048657

Maybe Ben Wallace will support Tom Tugendhat.

Some pretty quick to dance on Boris’ grave.

But key questions for the next Tory leader now are:

🔥 Do they stick with ripping up NI protocol
🔥 Do they carry on the Rwanda plan
🔥 Do they continue with the party’s realignment & embrace of the Red Wall / levelling up? https://twitter.com/michelbarnier/status/1545015642176233472

Pulpstar said:

ping said:

Bad politics from Starmer, promising a VONC if Boris doesn’t go.

I think he’s too sucked in to his Boris-hatred to see the wood for trees.

Boris is now castrated. The story has moved on.

IshmaelZ said:

SKS not voncing this afternoon would be the biggest unforced error in political history

HoC votes aren't secret. How can any tory mp vote confidence in him?

Who's right here

Ping

The VONC is in the government, not the PM.

dixiedean said:

Meanwhile. House prices rise at fastest rate since 2004.
Up 1.8% in June alone.

Some people are going to be in negative equity pretty quickly when interest rates are ramped up to 3-4%.

Heathener said:

MarqueeMark said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

BartholomewRoberts said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

Tory MPs queueing up to deliver the eulogies after stabbing him in the back... The chutzpah is incredible.

Someone here yesterday came up with the perfect epitaph for Boris:

Got the big calls right, treated the small calls with utter contempt.

Got the biggest call (Brexit) wrong. Treated the voters with utter contempt.

You could not be more utterly wrong. The people who treated the voters with contempt were those who tried to overturn Brexit. Foremost amongst them SKS.

Boris listened to the calls to leave the EU - and acted. For that, he was rewarded with an 80 seat majority.

It was his casual relationship with the truth that did for him.

I have some sympathy with this point of view although I think I would put it slightly differently.

I agree with you that the Remainer Parliament was a farce. I mean, at times ridiculous and contemptuous for democracy.

But the seeds of that were sown long before, as I think you will agree if you are candid with yourself, in a referendum that was not properly conceived, either in delivery or potential outcomes and in a Brexit which was never properly drafted, by any of the protagonists.

Basically Cameron didn't think remain would lose so he never properly considered what would happen if it did. And that in itself was the ultimate contempt: a disregard for what was happening in the country outside of the Metropolitan elite south. This latter was not all of Cameron's fault but went back many years into a contempt amongst Blairites and EU officials alike.

So with regards to Brexit, Boris was really the populist rabble rouser to push it over the line. He too never thought it through but then he has never thought anything through.

BIB: No, it's worse than that. He deliberately refused to allow any planning for what a Leave wote would mean because it would have damaged his strategy for the Remain campaign.

referendum that was not properly conceived, either in delivery or potential outcomes and in a Brexit which was never properly drafted, by any of the protagonists. - this is absolutely, 100% correct. Perhaps it has something to do with the fact that, before 2019, the protagonists were almost all Remain supporters.

Heathener said:

MarqueeMark said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

BartholomewRoberts said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

Tory MPs queueing up to deliver the eulogies after stabbing him in the back... The chutzpah is incredible.

Someone here yesterday came up with the perfect epitaph for Boris:

Got the big calls right, treated the small calls with utter contempt.

Got the biggest call (Brexit) wrong. Treated the voters with utter contempt.

You could not be more utterly wrong. The people who treated the voters with contempt were those who tried to overturn Brexit. Foremost amongst them SKS.

Boris listened to the calls to leave the EU - and acted. For that, he was rewarded with an 80 seat majority.

It was his casual relationship with the truth that did for him.

I have some sympathy with this point of view although I think I would put it slightly differently.

I agree with you that the Remainer Parliament was a farce. I mean, at times ridiculous and contemptuous for democracy.

But the seeds of that were sown long before, as I think you will agree if you are candid with yourself, in a referendum that was not properly conceived, either in delivery or potential outcomes and in a Brexit which was never properly drafted, by any of the protagonists.

Basically Cameron didn't think remain would lose so he never properly considered what would happen if it did. And that in itself was the ultimate contempt: a disregard for what was happening in the country outside of the Metropolitan elite south. This latter was not all of Cameron's fault but went back many years into a contempt amongst Blairites and EU officials alike.

So with regards to Brexit, Boris was really the populist rabble rouser to push it over the line. He too never thought it through but then he has never thought anything through.

Remarkably, I agree with much of this. Brexit was the culmination of decades of failure and cowardice in the British political establishment

If only Blair had possessed the courage to go for a referendum on the EU Constitution/Lisbon. He would have lost it, but so what. The EU would have been forced to give us more opt outs if they wanted more unity

Brexit avoided

Ditto Major with Maastricht, and Cameron in multiple ways

ping said:

Bad politics from Starmer, promising a VONC if Boris doesn’t go.

I think he’s too sucked in to his Boris-hatred to see the wood for trees.

Boris is now castrated. The story has moved on.

The story has indeed moved on but keep an eye on the Lebedev story which was getting Labour excited in the House of Commons this morning — national security; ministerial code; criminal offence; all underpinned by Boris being vague and saying different things to different people at different times. A bit like the last story in that respect.

Mortimer said:

IshmaelZ said:

SKS not voncing this afternoon would be the biggest unforced error in political history

HoC votes aren't secret. How can any tory mp vote confidence in him?

I think there would be huge numbers of Tory abstentions and Labour could bring the Govt down. They'd be foolish not to.

+1 - it would mean that the Tory party needed to sort things out in 2 weeks and would result in Government capable of making decisions arriving in July and not September...

And there are decisions that do need to be made - see my very first post on this thread.

MISTY said:

Applicant said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

Applicant said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

BartholomewRoberts said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

Tory MPs queueing up to deliver the eulogies after stabbing him in the back... The chutzpah is incredible.

Someone here yesterday came up with the perfect epitaph for Boris:

Got the big calls right, treated the small calls with utter contempt.

Got the biggest call (Brexit) wrong. Treated the voters with utter contempt.

Implementing the biggest democratic vote in British history is treating the voters with utter contempt? OK then...

Lied to them to win the Brexit vote. Lied to them in 2019 about his deal. Lied to them about levelling up. Lied to them about 40 new hospitals. Lied in the house of commons. Lied to the cabinet. Yeah, he's treated the voters, actually our entire democratic system, with contempt. Good riddance.

You said "Got the biggest call (Brexit) wrong". But it's the alternative to this (ignoring the vote and remaining in the EU anyway as advocated by SKS) is what would have been treating the voters with contempt.

Boris's negatives far outweigh his positives - but he did have positives.

Look at Europe. Look at the dreadful f8icking state it is in. Betting the bank on Russian gas. At war with its farmers. Double digit inflation in some areas. Central bank able to do nothing for fear of screwing the weaker states.

Why anyone wants to rejoin that, I will absolutely never know.

Pretty much every country has inflation in the 5-12% range right now, with the exception of Russia (17%), Switzerland (3%) and Japan (3%) - https://tradingeconomics.com/country-list/inflation-rate

The Eurozone and the US are both at 8.6%, while the UK is at 9.1%.

Why?

Because the cost of oil, gas and grain has gone through the roof.

Scott_xP said:

Tory Sources believe new PM will be in place by September.

New 1922 executive likely to agree rules on Monday. Expectation down to final two by summer break - with contest running during recess.

But some Tory MPs want PM out immediately

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-62048657

Johnson will be there until the new leader is in place in September. Standard procedure.

NickPalmer said:

williamglenn said:

Lots of nice messages from Ukrainians:

@GoncharenkoUa
Dear @BorisJohnson ! Ukraine is infinitely grateful to you for everything you have done for us. You will forever remain in our history and will be involved in the future victory. Thank you.

https://twitter.com/GoncharenkoUa/status/1545012234044297221

@mrsorokaa
⚡️UK Prime Minister Johnson resigns.

Tangled in scandal back home, he’ll be remembered in Ukraine as a true friend and supporter of the country in its darkest hour.

https://twitter.com/mrsorokaa/status/1545011243878170624

Making him Ambassador to Ukraine would have a certain logic.

No. I don’t like political appointments for ambassadors. Keep the diplomatic service non-partisan.

The US system is terrible. Let’s not replicate it.

Andy_JS said:

Johnson will be there until the new leader is in place in September. Standard procedure.

Nothing standard about BoZo's departure

OnlyLivingBoy said:

Applicant said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

Applicant said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

BartholomewRoberts said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

Tory MPs queueing up to deliver the eulogies after stabbing him in the back... The chutzpah is incredible.

Someone here yesterday came up with the perfect epitaph for Boris:

Got the big calls right, treated the small calls with utter contempt.

Got the biggest call (Brexit) wrong. Treated the voters with utter contempt.

Implementing the biggest democratic vote in British history is treating the voters with utter contempt? OK then...

Lied to them to win the Brexit vote. Lied to them in 2019 about his deal. Lied to them about levelling up. Lied to them about 40 new hospitals. Lied in the house of commons. Lied to the cabinet. Yeah, he's treated the voters, actually our entire democratic system, with contempt. Good riddance.

You said "Got the biggest call (Brexit) wrong". But it's the alternative to this (ignoring the vote and remaining in the EU anyway as advocated by SKS) is what would have been treating the voters with contempt.

Boris's negatives far outweigh his positives - but he did have positives.

Johnson's lies duringwinning the Brexit campaign was what put us in the dire position of either inflicting a costly policy error on the economy or damaging trust in our democracy. There was no good outcome from there, but it was Johnson who put us there. We should have implemented a soft Brexit but that was blocked by May's red lines and the Tories whipping against those options in the Commons. And Johnson doesn't even believe in Brexit, the whole thing is simply a testimony to his infinite vanity and ambition.

FTFY. And again, it's not just that Leave won, but that Cameron had refused to allow planning for what a Leave vote would mean.

This just looks like an attempt to evade responsibility, like we saw with some lefties last night. If you put Corbyn up against Boris, you have to take some of the blame for the public seeing the latter as the lesser of two evils. Similarly, if you spent 25 years stopping the public having any say on the European Project beginning with Maastricht, leaving only the nuclear button available to the public, you can't blame them for pushing it.

TheScreamingEagles said:

Leon said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Applicant said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Applicant said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

BartholomewRoberts said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

Tory MPs queueing up to deliver the eulogies after stabbing him in the back... The chutzpah is incredible.

Someone here yesterday came up with the perfect epitaph for Boris:

Got the big calls right, treated the small calls with utter contempt.

Got the biggest call (Brexit) wrong. Treated the voters with utter contempt.

Implementing the biggest democratic vote in British history is treating the voters with utter contempt? OK then...

Nope that was the 1992 election, more people voted in that the Brexit referendum.

17.4 million is bigger than 14.1 million.

Oh you don't do simple maths, you're one of those numpties.

But it's true. The 17.4m who voted to Leave is more people, in absolute terms, than have voted for any cause, leader or party in any British election or referendum: in history

Oh wait you're comparing the vote splits in a binary choice plebiscite with a multi party election.

We're comparing the number of votes for a thing.

MarqueeMark said:

NorthofStoke said:

MarqueeMark said:

Not sure Wallace will get close to the top job.

Strongly suspect a woman will be seen the best to confront Starmer.

Truss and Pitel would be a disaster for the Tories though. I can't quite put my finger on why I feel Truss would go down like a lead balloon but I think it is her presence. She always seems like a lightweight mimicking a serious politician.

Yes, I have sympathy with that take.

Truss has that slightly distant response of a ventriloquists dummy.

I wouldn't bet on her, either.

Liz Truss makes early G20 exit to drum up Tory leadership support
Foreign secretary’s retreat from Indonesia summit and potential showdown with Russia may concern allies
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jul/07/liz-truss-makes-early-g20-exit-to-drum-up-tory-leadership-support

NickPalmer said:

williamglenn said:

Lots of nice messages from Ukrainians:

@GoncharenkoUa
Dear @BorisJohnson ! Ukraine is infinitely grateful to you for everything you have done for us. You will forever remain in our history and will be involved in the future victory. Thank you.

https://twitter.com/GoncharenkoUa/status/1545012234044297221

@mrsorokaa
⚡️UK Prime Minister Johnson resigns.

Tangled in scandal back home, he’ll be remembered in Ukraine as a true friend and supporter of the country in its darkest hour.

https://twitter.com/mrsorokaa/status/1545011243878170624

Making him Ambassador to Ukraine would have a certain logic.

Don't be daft, Nick.
He'd like the title, but none of the commitment, work or responsibility involved.

FrancisUrquhart said:

rcs1000 said:

MISTY said:

Applicant said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

Applicant said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

BartholomewRoberts said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

Tory MPs queueing up to deliver the eulogies after stabbing him in the back... The chutzpah is incredible.

Someone here yesterday came up with the perfect epitaph for Boris:

Got the big calls right, treated the small calls with utter contempt.

Got the biggest call (Brexit) wrong. Treated the voters with utter contempt.

Implementing the biggest democratic vote in British history is treating the voters with utter contempt? OK then...

Lied to them to win the Brexit vote. Lied to them in 2019 about his deal. Lied to them about levelling up. Lied to them about 40 new hospitals. Lied in the house of commons. Lied to the cabinet. Yeah, he's treated the voters, actually our entire democratic system, with contempt. Good riddance.

You said "Got the biggest call (Brexit) wrong". But it's the alternative to this (ignoring the vote and remaining in the EU anyway as advocated by SKS) is what would have been treating the voters with contempt.

Boris's negatives far outweigh his positives - but he did have positives.

Look at Europe. Look at the dreadful f8icking state it is in. Betting the bank on Russian gas. At war with its farmers. Double digit inflation in some areas. Central bank able to do nothing for fear of screwing the weaker states.

Why anyone wants to rejoin that, I will absolutely never know.

Pretty much every country has inflation in the 5-12% range right now, with the exception of Russia (17%), Switzerland (3%) and Japan (3%) - https://tradingeconomics.com/country-list/inflation-rate

The Eurozone and the US are both at 8.6%, while the UK is at 9.1%.

Why?

Because the cost of oil, gas and grain has gone through the roof.

How come Switzerland isn't suffering the same inflationary pressures as the rest of europe?

Like Japan, they had been regularly suffering from deflation, so inflation is up even there.

Sandpit said:

Mrs Sandpit is genuinely upset this afternoon.

All candidates need to make it clear that the Ukraine policy will be continued.

All significant political parties have made that clear.

In any event, I'm fairly certain it will be a declared article of faith by participants in the upcoming contest.

Nigelb said:

NickPalmer said:

williamglenn said:

Lots of nice messages from Ukrainians:

@GoncharenkoUa
Dear @BorisJohnson ! Ukraine is infinitely grateful to you for everything you have done for us. You will forever remain in our history and will be involved in the future victory. Thank you.

https://twitter.com/GoncharenkoUa/status/1545012234044297221

@mrsorokaa
⚡️UK Prime Minister Johnson resigns.

Tangled in scandal back home, he’ll be remembered in Ukraine as a true friend and supporter of the country in its darkest hour.

https://twitter.com/mrsorokaa/status/1545011243878170624

Making him Ambassador to Ukraine would have a certain logic.

Don't be daft, Nick.
He'd like the title, but none of the commitment, work or responsibility involved.

Not to mention the discretion..

kle4 said:

Nigelb said:

MarqueeMark said:

JACK_W said:

Statement From Jack W :

Following the astonishing support from all sides of the Conservative Party and on careful reflection I shall not seek, and I will not accept, the nomination by acclimation of the party as the next Prime Minister

I feel it is time for the younger generation of centenarians and even those more tender in years to take the nation forward.

Ah, that famous false modesty...

Caesar, making a show of declining the crown.

JackW is about to be stabbed 27 times?

Brutal suggestion.

So now it seems at least more likely than not that he'll go, we have to replace him, in no particular order:
Wallace, Tugendhat, Truss, Sunak, Javid, Hunt, Mordaunt, Braverman, Zahawi, Harper... I'm sure I've missed a least one or two.

But either way, there are at least five, possibly six there that I would find preferable to any of the candidates in 2019 or 2016, and another two or three that I would find preferable to most of those candidates.
And meanwhile, SKS is (to me) preferable to any of his last three predecessors, and most of the realistic candidates to replace him (Rayner excepted) are also preferable (to me). And the Lib Dems are led by a grown-up too.
There is reason to be not totally despondent for the future of politics in this country.

MISTY said:

Taz said:

MISTY said:

Taz said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

BartholomewRoberts said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

Tory MPs queueing up to deliver the eulogies after stabbing him in the back... The chutzpah is incredible.

Someone here yesterday came up with the perfect epitaph for Boris:

Got the big calls right, treated the small calls with utter contempt.

Got the biggest call (Brexit) wrong. Treated the voters with utter contempt.

Cameron got that call wrong. The vote should never have happened.

If the vote had not happened, the tory party would no longer exist.

It would, it may have fractured, but it would still be there however Cameron enabled all of this for interns also Tory party discipline.

YO seem to have completely forgotten that there was a European election in which Farage won and the tories were hammered. If that wasn't a threat from the electorate, I don't know what is.

The person Johnson forgot to thank today was Farage, who stood down his troops in many constituencies so the tories could win big. I imagine Farage bitterly regrets that, and in case any tories get any ideas, it is something he would never do again.

Nah. Farage stood against the Tories in seats they needed to gain.

Leon said:

ManchesterKurt said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

rcs1000 said:

MISTY said:

Applicant said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

Applicant said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

BartholomewRoberts said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

Tory MPs queueing up to deliver the eulogies after stabbing him in the back... The chutzpah is incredible.

Someone here yesterday came up with the perfect epitaph for Boris:

Got the big calls right, treated the small calls with utter contempt.

Got the biggest call (Brexit) wrong. Treated the voters with utter contempt.

Implementing the biggest democratic vote in British history is treating the voters with utter contempt? OK then...

Lied to them to win the Brexit vote. Lied to them in 2019 about his deal. Lied to them about levelling up. Lied to them about 40 new hospitals. Lied in the house of commons. Lied to the cabinet. Yeah, he's treated the voters, actually our entire democratic system, with contempt. Good riddance.

You said "Got the biggest call (Brexit) wrong". But it's the alternative to this (ignoring the vote and remaining in the EU anyway as advocated by SKS) is what would have been treating the voters with contempt.

Boris's negatives far outweigh his positives - but he did have positives.

Look at Europe. Look at the dreadful f8icking state it is in. Betting the bank on Russian gas. At war with its farmers. Double digit inflation in some areas. Central bank able to do nothing for fear of screwing the weaker states.

Why anyone wants to rejoin that, I will absolutely never know.

Pretty much every country has inflation in the 5-12% range right now, with the exception of Russia (17%), Switzerland (3%) and Japan (3%) - https://tradingeconomics.com/country-list/inflation-rate

The Eurozone and the US are both at 8.6%, while the UK is at 9.1%.

Why?

Because the cost of oil, gas and grain has gone through the roof.

How come Switzerland isn't suffering the same inflationary pressures as the rest of europe?

Do they rely on hydro and nuclear power and are not as dependent on gas as other countries ?

Strength of the Swiss franc? It’s a very hard currency

It's both reasons: the high value of the Franc and that they rely heavily on hydro and nuclear power

Labour have missed their chance of a snap election in favourable circumstances.

HYUFD said:

Andy_JS said:

Did I just correctly hear Robert Peston saying that Ben Wallace is unlikely to be a candidate?

He's the favourite in the betting stakes and with the Tory Home survey.

Wallace is still very much a contender and has not ruled himself out and as of now is Boris' likely successor as PM and Tory members preference for next Tory leader as Yougov shows.

Peston, as so often, is not on the mark

I think Wallace is playing the long game - keep on with the current job, watch a bunch of early contenders trip over themselves, then decide to run or not.

So Boris hasn't actually resigned, has he?

Cookie said:

So now it seems at least more likely than not that he'll go, we have to replace him, in no particular order:
Wallace, Tugendhat, Truss, Sunak, Javid, Hunt, Mordaunt, Braverman, Zahawi, Harper... I'm sure I've missed a least one or two.

But either way, there are at least five, possibly six there that I would find preferable to any of the candidates in 2019 or 2016, and another two or three that I would find preferable to most of those candidates.
And meanwhile, SKS is (to me) preferable to any of his last three predecessors, and most of the realistic candidates to replace him (Rayner excepted) are also preferable (to me). And the Lib Dems are led by a grown-up too.
There is reason to be not totally despondent for the future of politics in this country.

Wiki currently has:

Declared: Braverman
Publicly expressed interest: Baker, Tugendhat, Berry
Possible: Ellwood, Harper, Hunt, Javid, McVey, Mordaunt, Patel, Raab, Sunak, Truss, Wallace, Zahawi
Declined: Hancock

Applicant said:

MISTY said:

Taz said:

MISTY said:

Taz said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

BartholomewRoberts said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

Tory MPs queueing up to deliver the eulogies after stabbing him in the back... The chutzpah is incredible.

Someone here yesterday came up with the perfect epitaph for Boris:

Got the big calls right, treated the small calls with utter contempt.

Got the biggest call (Brexit) wrong. Treated the voters with utter contempt.

Cameron got that call wrong. The vote should never have happened.

If the vote had not happened, the tory party would no longer exist.

It would, it may have fractured, but it would still be there however Cameron enabled all of this for interns also Tory party discipline.

YO seem to have completely forgotten that there was a European election in which Farage won and the tories were hammered. If that wasn't a threat from the electorate, I don't know what is.

The person Johnson forgot to thank today was Farage, who stood down his troops in many constituencies so the tories could win big. I imagine Farage bitterly regrets that, and in case any tories get any ideas, it is something he would never do again.

Nah. Farage stood against the Tories in seats they needed to gain.

Yes, the narrative he helped them is more complex than people assume.

noneoftheabove said:

Are we going to get an auction of tax cuts from the leadership candidates? Most tax cuts = the winner?

I think so. Which probably rules out the numerate.

A last poison pill from Boris to the contenders - several won't commit to it, and the Corbyn of the group will, and will win.

BartholomewRoberts said:

Leon said:

ManchesterKurt said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

rcs1000 said:

MISTY said:

Applicant said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

Applicant said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

BartholomewRoberts said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

Tory MPs queueing up to deliver the eulogies after stabbing him in the back... The chutzpah is incredible.

Someone here yesterday came up with the perfect epitaph for Boris:

Got the big calls right, treated the small calls with utter contempt.

Got the biggest call (Brexit) wrong. Treated the voters with utter contempt.

Implementing the biggest democratic vote in British history is treating the voters with utter contempt? OK then...

Lied to them to win the Brexit vote. Lied to them in 2019 about his deal. Lied to them about levelling up. Lied to them about 40 new hospitals. Lied in the house of commons. Lied to the cabinet. Yeah, he's treated the voters, actually our entire democratic system, with contempt. Good riddance.

You said "Got the biggest call (Brexit) wrong". But it's the alternative to this (ignoring the vote and remaining in the EU anyway as advocated by SKS) is what would have been treating the voters with contempt.

Boris's negatives far outweigh his positives - but he did have positives.

Look at Europe. Look at the dreadful f8icking state it is in. Betting the bank on Russian gas. At war with its farmers. Double digit inflation in some areas. Central bank able to do nothing for fear of screwing the weaker states.

Why anyone wants to rejoin that, I will absolutely never know.

Pretty much every country has inflation in the 5-12% range right now, with the exception of Russia (17%), Switzerland (3%) and Japan (3%) - https://tradingeconomics.com/country-list/inflation-rate

The Eurozone and the US are both at 8.6%, while the UK is at 9.1%.

Why?

Because the cost of oil, gas and grain has gone through the roof.

How come Switzerland isn't suffering the same inflationary pressures as the rest of europe?

Do they rely on hydro and nuclear power and are not as dependent on gas as other countries ?

Strength of the Swiss franc? It’s a very hard currency

The franc hasn't changed that much versus sterling.

But the fact that they get most of their electricity from hydro power, and they did have negative inflation in most of recent years, means that they have not as much extra inflation and added onto a lower base.

But the Franc is very strong so every extra US Dollar increase in the price of oil translates into a smaller hit on the cost of goods bought in Switzerland, compared to in the UK or Eurozone. Your reason is also correct. It's not an either/or answer.