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PG/Britain Trump refuses to face reality – politicalbetting.com

SystemSystem Posts: 11,005
edited July 2022 in General
PG/Britain Trump refuses to face reality – politicalbetting.com

Increasingly clear Boris Johnson will not go tonight. Or even tomorrow. Looks like the new 1922 committee will change the rules and there will be another confidence vote next week. Which Mr Johnson will lose. Lose badly. Then it will be over. Cue summer leadership contest.

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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,280
    First.
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    pigeonpigeon Posts: 4,129
    BBC reporting Gove has been fired
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    CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 39,584
    I wonder what tomorrow's equivalent of the cake in 'The Battle of the Bulge' is?
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    solarflaresolarflare Posts: 3,623
    God this is drama. Boris firing Gove. LOL.
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    MattWMattW Posts: 18,382
    edited July 2022
    Go forth and .... all of you. Except me.

    Then I will run everything myself.

    :smile:

    At least if it is just BloJo BoJo and NAD, no one has to summon a nurse.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,280
    GOVE FIRED
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    CatManCatMan Posts: 2,763
    pigeon said:

    BBC reporting Gove has been fired

    Sky News too
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,215
    Gove cove gone
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    solarflaresolarflare Posts: 3,623
    Sam Coates saying a big resignation still to come this evening as well. No name yet though.
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    GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 20,845
    Why would Boris fire Gove?
    Gove has kept his head well down.
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    HeathenerHeathener Posts: 5,249
    I honestly think the tories are now staring down the barrel of a generation out of power.

    You don't really recover from something as godawful as this.

    The 1922 need to meet tomorrow, change the rules and vote BEFORE the weekend.
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    GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,077
    Wtf is going on
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,821
    Boris is Britain Trump
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    pigeonpigeon Posts: 4,129
    solarflare said:

    God this is drama. Boris firing Gove. LOL.

    Now, what loyalist idiot is he going to appoint as the replacement?
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    CatManCatMan Posts: 2,763
    Sky News need to update their caption to "Govt Resignations: 39 MPs, Govt Sackings: 1 MP"
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,280
    Gardenwalker said:

    Why would Boris fire Gove?
    Gove has kept his head well down.

    This morning Gove told the PM to quit.

    I think Gove was going to quit but Boris Johnson fired him because of 2016.
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    pigeonpigeon Posts: 4,129
    solarflare said:

    Sam Coates saying a big resignation still to come this evening as well. No name yet though.

    Patel?
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,274
    Its on like fat pats thong.....
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    GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 20,845
    pigeon said:

    solarflare said:

    God this is drama. Boris firing Gove. LOL.

    Now, what loyalist idiot is he going to appoint as the replacement?
    Nero appointed his horse.
    I suppose Boris could try Rachel Johnson.
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    HeathenerHeathener Posts: 5,249
    As I mentioned, because we have no written constitution it all rather depends on people acting honourably. Which is pretty awkward right now.

    But what about insanity?

    If a PM goes insane, what happens?
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,215
    solarflare said:

    Sam Coates saying a big resignation still to come this evening as well. No name yet though.

    One can only hope, against all expectations
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    bigglesbiggles Posts: 4,339
    Gardenwalker said:

    Why would Boris fire Gove?
    Gove has kept his head well down.

    Pushed before he could jump? Interview in tomorrow’s papers?
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    GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,077
    solarflare said:

    Sam Coates saying a big resignation still to come this evening as well. No name yet though.

    Who "big" is left? Priti?
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    RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 27,175
    Do we now anticipate a rash of sackings? And whips being withdrawn?

    "You can't vote no confidence in me, I have sacked you as a Tory MP"
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    GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 20,845
    Where is @Sunil_Prasannan????????
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    JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,901
    The Tories deserve to disappear for this.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,937
    Sacking Gove will ironically probably be the most popular decision Boris has ever made
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,215
    By the same logic, surely Zahawi should be sacked as well?
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    GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,077
    I guess it makes sense that Gove has been sacked because levelling up is dead
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,606
    Shapps gone too?
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    wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 6,913
    Heathener said:

    I honestly think the tories are now staring down the barrel of a generation out of power.

    You don't really recover from something as godawful as this.

    The 1922 need to meet tomorrow, change the rules and vote BEFORE the weekend.

    Its over for them if he isnt taken out in the next couple of days
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    pigeonpigeon Posts: 4,129
    Gardenwalker said:

    pigeon said:

    solarflare said:

    God this is drama. Boris firing Gove. LOL.

    Now, what loyalist idiot is he going to appoint as the replacement?
    Nero appointed his horse.
    I suppose Boris could try Rachel Johnson.
    I believe that it was actually Caligula who made his horse a consul.

    Does Johnson more closely resemble Nero or Caligula? Discuss.
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    FarooqFarooq Posts: 10,775
    https://twitter.com/sturdyAlex/status/1544772970102530054

    Back of the queue, Alex, I was there first

    Re: Johnson: leading his party into opposition? – politicalbetting.com
    Farooq
    by Farooq · January 15 · Home› General
    Third PM in a row brought down by Boris.
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    HeathenerHeathener Posts: 5,249
    I hope @Big_G_NorthWales is okay.

    I genuinely feel really sorry for decent, hard-working, party members and followers who must be gutted by what is going on.

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    numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 5,435
    Goves chances of being next Tory leader probably tripled just now
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    CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 39,584
    Gardenwalker said:

    Where is @Sunil_Prasannan????????

    For Transport, you mean? I think he has more self-respect than that ...
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    BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 5,186
    Jesus H Christ

    I had a post liked by both @Heathener and @HYUFD on the last thread

    We must be near the end of times
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    dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 27,940
    Didn't expect next out to be a sacking.
    The man is a chutzpah master, isn't he?
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    nico679nico679 Posts: 4,726
    HYUFD said:

    Sacking Gove will ironically probably be the most popular decision Boris has ever made

    True but this move looks bizarre even by today’s standards .
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    FarooqFarooq Posts: 10,775
    Heathener said:

    I hope @Big_G_NorthWales is okay.

    I genuinely feel really sorry for decent, hard-working, party members and followers who must be gutted by what is going on.

    Fuck him, he voted for this prick
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,919
    bigjohnowls said:

    Boris is Britain Trump

    This would be the same Boris that you support as PM?
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    MrEdMrEd Posts: 5,578
    I'll take a stab in the dark at this - McVey to replace Gove.
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    RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 27,175
    https://twitter.com/IanDunt/status/1544779321063120897

    "He's basically pissed, on the corner of a street, at 3am, screaming: fuck the lot of you. I'll fight any cnut I want."
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,215
    No 10 source briefing that Gove is “a snake”
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    dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 27,940
    Heathener said:

    As I mentioned, because we have no written constitution it all rather depends on people acting honourably. Which is pretty awkward right now.

    But what about insanity?

    If a PM goes insane, what happens?

    He isn't insane.
    He's a sociopath. He checks the boxes.
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    pigeonpigeon Posts: 4,129
    Gallowgate said:

    I guess it makes sense that Gove has been sacked because levelling up is dead

    He was in charge of levelling up in a Government that had no intention of levelling up

    He was in charge of housing in a Government that had no intention of building enough houses

    He was in charge of communities in a Government that hates all of society except reactionary old white people

    Did Gove have anything to do in the first place?
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    algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 10,494
    Gardenwalker said:

    pigeon said:

    solarflare said:

    God this is drama. Boris firing Gove. LOL.

    Now, what loyalist idiot is he going to appoint as the replacement?
    Nero appointed his horse.
    I suppose Boris could try Rachel Johnson.
    Caligula.

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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,919
    pigeon said:

    solarflare said:

    Sam Coates saying a big resignation still to come this evening as well. No name yet though.

    Patel?
    That really would be the end for Johnson.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,937
    Jonathan said:

    The Tories deserve to disappear for this.

    Even after Trump's antics in 2020 the GOP have not disappeared
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    JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,901
    If Starmer vonc , decent Tories should now vote for it. An impossible, painful position, but the right thing to do.
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    GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,077
    IanB2 said:

    No 10 source briefing that Gove is “a snake”

    I'm expecting Gove to put out a press release in response that simply says "no u"
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    bigglesbiggles Posts: 4,339
    Gove still has his clique. This is mad.
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    GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 20,845
    I have little sympathy for supposed Tories who enabled Boris to power. The Big Gs and Casino Royales.

    It was always going to end like this.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,258
    Gardenwalker said:

    pigeon said:

    solarflare said:

    God this is drama. Boris firing Gove. LOL.

    Now, what loyalist idiot is he going to appoint as the replacement?
    Nero appointed his horse.
    I suppose Boris could try Rachel Johnson.
    Didn't @SeanT claim to have made the beast with two backs with her once?
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    JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,901
    edited July 2022
    HYUFD said:

    Jonathan said:

    The Tories deserve to disappear for this.

    Even after Trump's antics in 2020 the GOP have not disappeared
    I said Deserve. There will still be people who vote for this nonsense. Some people just want to see the world burn.
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    SirNorfolkPassmoreSirNorfolkPassmore Posts: 6,248
    edited July 2022
    IanB2 said:

    No 10 source briefing that Gove is “a snake”

    The last thing Number 10 needs is someone who will tell the PM the truth. If Johnson has made one thing clear, it is that he is strongly opposed to the truth.
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    GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 20,845
    numbertwelve said:

    Goves chances of being next Tory leader probably tripled just now

    From zero to three times zero.
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,200
    Baby, you make my Gove come down
    Ooh, you make my Gove come down
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    CatManCatMan Posts: 2,763
    41 Resignations now (and 1 Sacking)
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    GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 20,845
    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    Baby, you make my Gove come down
    Ooh, you make my Gove come down

    Yes! Thank you.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,919
    pigeon said:

    Gardenwalker said:

    pigeon said:

    solarflare said:

    God this is drama. Boris firing Gove. LOL.

    Now, what loyalist idiot is he going to appoint as the replacement?
    Nero appointed his horse.
    I suppose Boris could try Rachel Johnson.
    I believe that it was actually Caligula who made his horse a consul.

    Does Johnson more closely resemble Nero or Caligula? Discuss.
    I'm just rereading I, Claudius.

    It seems appropriate.
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    bigglesbiggles Posts: 4,339
    Sean_F said:

    I think we've reached the point where Her Majesty has to be advised to dismiss Johnson as Prime Minister.

    It's clear that we have a lunatic in No. 10. A man who whose grasp on reality is similar to that of Adolf Hitler in April 1945. The public hate him; his ministers hate him; his backbenchers hate him; the opposition MP's hate him.

    He's a shitstain, who needs to be scrubbed down the S Bend.

    Agree. The balance of the Cabinet and Brady need to speak to the Palace. This evening.
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,336
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    GOVE FIRED

    Why hadn’t the daft pillock already resigned ?
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,108
    IanB2 said:

    No 10 source briefing that Gove is “a snake”

    What a bunch of muppets. That's Sunak. Gove is a haystack.
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    GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 20,845
    Casino_Royale said:

    Gardenwalker said:

    pigeon said:

    solarflare said:

    God this is drama. Boris firing Gove. LOL.

    Now, what loyalist idiot is he going to appoint as the replacement?
    Nero appointed his horse.
    I suppose Boris could try Rachel Johnson.
    Didn't @SeanT claim to have made the beast with two backs with her once?
    I don’t know but if you PM me I have some ?libellous gossip to share about her.
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    pigeonpigeon Posts: 4,129
    HYUFD said:

    Jonathan said:

    The Tories deserve to disappear for this.

    Even after Trump's antics in 2020 the GOP have not disappeared
    It's a fair point.

    I suppose theoretically that the Tory civil war could precipitate a split and the two sides could destroy one another in something like the Canadian situation in 1993, but it seems unlikely.
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    JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,901
    Too much Gove will kill you.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,258
    No.10 right now..


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    eekeek Posts: 24,932
    Jonathan said:

    If Starmer vonc , decent Tories should now vote for it. An impossible, painful position, but the right thing to do.

    Why should Labour fix the tories problem…

    Ever day Bozo stays is a day closer to the destruction of the Tory Party
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    ThePoliticalPartyThePoliticalParty Posts: 446
    What do we want?

    Leadsom for leader...
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,793
    Been out expecting Boris to be gone when I get back.

    Get back and Boris is still standing while Gove had been FIRED

    What the hell are the Tories playing at?
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    Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 25,306
    Sean_F said:

    I think we've reached the point where Her Majesty has to be advised to dismiss Johnson as Prime Minister.

    It's clear that we have a lunatic in No. 10. A man who whose grasp on reality is similar to that of Adolf Hitler in April 1945. The public hate him; his ministers hate him; his backbenchers hate him; the opposition MP's hate him.

    He's a shitstain, who needs to be scrubbed down the S Bend.

    Bewildering as this all is, he needs to be removed by the conventional means - if he's removed by a constitutional stitch up, we will never hear the end of it. If it's next week, it's next week.
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    JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,901
    I
    eek said:

    Jonathan said:

    If Starmer vonc , decent Tories should now vote for it. An impossible, painful position, but the right thing to do.

    Why should Labour fix the tories problem…

    Ever day Bozo stays is a day closer to the destruction of the Tory Party
    It’s the LoO constitutional duty.
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    MrEdMrEd Posts: 5,578
    Sorry but that is hyperbole.

    He's not a lunatic. You may disagree with his actions but they have a logic to it. There also might be a fairly sized chunk of the population who admires him for fighting back. Reading through the Twitter comments (always a bad move), there's a bit more support than you might think.

    Re being hated etc etc, the Tories are six percentage points behind Labour, Yes, Davey is winning by-elections. Think he''ll do well when he's asked in a GE "what's a woman" and stumbles like SKS does?

    I think he will eventually go but I don't think he should resign - if they want to get rid of him that much, do a VONC and show some balls.
    Sean_F said:

    I think we've reached the point where Her Majesty has to be advised to dismiss Johnson as Prime Minister.

    It's clear that we have a lunatic in No. 10. A man who whose grasp on reality is similar to that of Adolf Hitler in April 1945. The public hate him; his ministers hate him; his backbenchers hate him; the opposition MP's hate him.

    He's a shitstain, who needs to be scrubbed down the S Bend.

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    algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 10,494
    Farooq said:

    Heathener said:

    I hope @Big_G_NorthWales is okay.

    I genuinely feel really sorry for decent, hard-working, party members and followers who must be gutted by what is going on.

    Fuck him, he voted for this prick
    Nothing changes the hard fact that in 2019 there were two possible governments. That led by Jezza and that led by Boris. The tragedy of subsequent events does not alter at all the rational conviction that of that choice on that day Jezza was the more sub-optimal.

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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,200
    Gardenwalker said:

    Where is @Sunil_Prasannan????????

    You rang, M'Lud?
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,108
    numbertwelve said:

    Goves chances of being next Tory leader probably tripled just now

    Really?

    *panicked face*

    SAVE BIG DOG!!!!!
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,215
    Mundell resigns, Daley resigns
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    OnboardG1OnboardG1 Posts: 1,277
    kyf_100 said:

    Gardenwalker said:

    Gove is —— WAS —— about the only effective minister left. Effectively operating what could be said to be the governments domestic policy.

    Gove was also doing reasonably well at sorting out the cladding crisis. Going after the companies who constructed the sub-standard buildings, rather than the poor leaseholders who bought them. The stuff he was coming up to solve the crisis wasn't perfect, but way, way, way better than the loathesome Jenrick who came before him.

    Gove's attitude towards the whole cladding / leasehold debacle warmed me to him substantially. One of the few front line politicians of the Johnson era I actually respect.
    Gove is a great loss to the civil service. He’s an excellent executive who plans well, is across his brief, and devises and executes good plans well. Sadly, when put in a position he’s ideologically blinkered over he executes terrible plans to perfection.

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    RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 27,175
    I assume that HY supports the sacking of Gove and now the imminent sackings and removal of the whip of scores of Tory MPs and ministers.

    Making yourself a minority government by sacking fucktons of your own MPs was always the sane option.
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    Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 26,445
    Latest from Downing Street:

    "PM in 'buoyant mood' and will announce economic plan with new chancellor next week
    Boris Johnson's parliamentary private secretary James Duddridge has told Sky News the PM is in a "buoyant mood and will fight on".

    "He has a 14 million mandate and so much to do for the country," Mr Duddridge said.

    "I expect him to make senior cabinet appointments this evening and am looking forward to hearing what the PM and his fantastic Chancellor Nadhim Zahawi have to say tomorrow."

    He initially said there would be a joint plan for the economy laid out by Mr Johnson and Mr Zahawi tomorrow, but moments later said it would be next week."

    https://news.sky.com/story/boris-johnson-live-updates-pm-fighting-for-political-life-after-sunak-and-javid-quit-12593360
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    bigglesbiggles Posts: 4,339
    Luckyguy1983 said:

    Sean_F said:

    I think we've reached the point where Her Majesty has to be advised to dismiss Johnson as Prime Minister.

    It's clear that we have a lunatic in No. 10. A man who whose grasp on reality is similar to that of Adolf Hitler in April 1945. The public hate him; his ministers hate him; his backbenchers hate him; the opposition MP's hate him.

    He's a shitstain, who needs to be scrubbed down the S Bend.

    Bewildering as this all is, he needs to be removed by the conventional means - if he's removed by a constitutional stitch up, we will never hear the end of it. If it's next week, it's next week.
    The Tory Party is a club. It can and should run the vote at 0900 tomorrow.

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    TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 39,954
    'snake'


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    FarooqFarooq Posts: 10,775
    algarkirk said:

    Farooq said:

    Heathener said:

    I hope @Big_G_NorthWales is okay.

    I genuinely feel really sorry for decent, hard-working, party members and followers who must be gutted by what is going on.

    Fuck him, he voted for this prick
    Nothing changes the hard fact that in 2019 there were two possible governments. That led by Jezza and that led by Boris. The tragedy of subsequent events does not alter at all the rational conviction that of that choice on that day Jezza was the more sub-optimal.

    A quarter of the country didn't vote for either of them, and THEY WERE RIGHT.
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    JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,901
    Richard Stroker staying loyal.
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    AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 19,902
    Jonathan said:

    If Starmer vonc , decent Tories should now vote for it. An impossible, painful position, but the right thing to do.

    I wrote about this on the previous thread. All it would take would be Sir Beer Korma sharing a platform with Sir Graham Brady Old Lady and clearly telling the public that Labour won’t seek a GE - they are just doing it for national interest.
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    glwglw Posts: 9,549
    The 1922 should meet again tonight, change their rules tonight, vote tonight, and boot our Boris tonight.
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,821
    Jonathan said:

    If Starmer vonc , decent Tories should now vote for it. An impossible, painful position, but the right thing to do.

    Bet they dont though.

    They still fear a GE more than Boris methinks
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    Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 25,306
    ThePoliticalParty said:

    What do we want?

    Leadsom for leader...

    I'd be happy with that. It won't happen, but I do expect her to be in the new cabinet.
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    algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 10,494
    edited July 2022
    Luckyguy1983 said:

    Sean_F said:

    I think we've reached the point where Her Majesty has to be advised to dismiss Johnson as Prime Minister.

    It's clear that we have a lunatic in No. 10. A man who whose grasp on reality is similar to that of Adolf Hitler in April 1945. The public hate him; his ministers hate him; his backbenchers hate him; the opposition MP's hate him.

    He's a shitstain, who needs to be scrubbed down the S Bend.

    Bewildering as this all is, he needs to be removed by the conventional means - if he's removed by a constitutional stitch up, we will never hear the end of it. If it's next week, it's next week.
    Parliament has the constitutional weapon to deal with this and is not using it (VONC). Boris is not the only person there putting self interest before the welfare of the nation.

    BTW removing him as Tory leader DOES NOT remove him as PM constitutionally. Only a VONC or a GE can do that. If you think Boris does not know this you may be in for a shock.

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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,108
    OnboardG1 said:

    kyf_100 said:

    Gardenwalker said:

    Gove is —— WAS —— about the only effective minister left. Effectively operating what could be said to be the governments domestic policy.

    Gove was also doing reasonably well at sorting out the cladding crisis. Going after the companies who constructed the sub-standard buildings, rather than the poor leaseholders who bought them. The stuff he was coming up to solve the crisis wasn't perfect, but way, way, way better than the loathesome Jenrick who came before him.

    Gove's attitude towards the whole cladding / leasehold debacle warmed me to him substantially. One of the few front line politicians of the Johnson era I actually respect.
    Gove is a great loss to the civil service. He’s an excellent executive who plans well, is across his brief, and devises and executes good plans well. Sadly, when put in a position he’s ideologically blinkered over he executes terrible plans to perfection.

    Executes, yes. Devises, rather less so.

    The other issue is his utter inflexibility, which isn't just ideology. He genuinely believes he and his mates are brilliant and experts are thick.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,280
    Well it shows Boris Johnson's commitment to levelling up.

    I fear it may have been missed that after Gove has been sacked, there is now not a single Minister left in the Department for Levelling Up - the flagship policy of the government

    https://twitter.com/richardmorrisuk/status/1544780501390692357
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