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Increasingly clear Boris Johnson will not go tonight. Or even tomorrow. Looks like the new 1922 committee will change the rules and there will be another confidence vote next week. Which Mr Johnson will lose. Lose badly. Then it will be over. Cue summer leadership contest.
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BBC reporting Gove has been fired0
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I wonder what tomorrow's equivalent of the cake in 'The Battle of the Bulge' is?0
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God this is drama. Boris firing Gove. LOL.0
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Go forth and .... all of you. Except me.
Then I will run everything myself.
At least if it is just BloJo BoJo and NAD, no one has to summon a nurse.0 -
GOVE FIRED0
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Gove cove gone0
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Sam Coates saying a big resignation still to come this evening as well. No name yet though.0
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Why would Boris fire Gove?
Gove has kept his head well down.0 -
I honestly think the tories are now staring down the barrel of a generation out of power.
You don't really recover from something as godawful as this.
The 1922 need to meet tomorrow, change the rules and vote BEFORE the weekend.1 -
Wtf is going on0
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Boris is Britain Trump0
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Now, what loyalist idiot is he going to appoint as the replacement?solarflare said:God this is drama. Boris firing Gove. LOL.
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Sky News need to update their caption to "Govt Resignations: 39 MPs, Govt Sackings: 1 MP"2
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Gove is —— WAS —— about the only effective minister left. Effectively operating what could be said to be the governments domestic policy.7
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This morning Gove told the PM to quit.Gardenwalker said:Why would Boris fire Gove?
Gove has kept his head well down.
I think Gove was going to quit but Boris Johnson fired him because of 2016.0 -
Patel?solarflare said:Sam Coates saying a big resignation still to come this evening as well. No name yet though.
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Its on like fat pats thong.....2
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Nero appointed his horse.pigeon said:
Now, what loyalist idiot is he going to appoint as the replacement?solarflare said:God this is drama. Boris firing Gove. LOL.
I suppose Boris could try Rachel Johnson.0 -
As I mentioned, because we have no written constitution it all rather depends on people acting honourably. Which is pretty awkward right now.
But what about insanity?
If a PM goes insane, what happens?0 -
One can only hope, against all expectationssolarflare said:Sam Coates saying a big resignation still to come this evening as well. No name yet though.
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Pushed before he could jump? Interview in tomorrow’s papers?Gardenwalker said:Why would Boris fire Gove?
Gove has kept his head well down.
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Who "big" is left? Priti?solarflare said:Sam Coates saying a big resignation still to come this evening as well. No name yet though.
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Do we now anticipate a rash of sackings? And whips being withdrawn?
"You can't vote no confidence in me, I have sacked you as a Tory MP"0 -
Where is @Sunil_Prasannan????????0
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The Tories deserve to disappear for this.4
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Sacking Gove will ironically probably be the most popular decision Boris has ever made2
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By the same logic, surely Zahawi should be sacked as well?0
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I guess it makes sense that Gove has been sacked because levelling up is dead1
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Its over for them if he isnt taken out in the next couple of daysHeathener said:I honestly think the tories are now staring down the barrel of a generation out of power.
You don't really recover from something as godawful as this.
The 1922 need to meet tomorrow, change the rules and vote BEFORE the weekend.1 -
Shapps gone too?0
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I believe that it was actually Caligula who made his horse a consul.Gardenwalker said:
Nero appointed his horse.pigeon said:
Now, what loyalist idiot is he going to appoint as the replacement?solarflare said:God this is drama. Boris firing Gove. LOL.
I suppose Boris could try Rachel Johnson.
Does Johnson more closely resemble Nero or Caligula? Discuss.0 -
I hope @Big_G_NorthWales is okay.
I genuinely feel really sorry for decent, hard-working, party members and followers who must be gutted by what is going on.
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Goves chances of being next Tory leader probably tripled just now1
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For Transport, you mean? I think he has more self-respect than that ...Gardenwalker said:Where is @Sunil_Prasannan????????
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Jesus H Christ
I had a post liked by both @Heathener and @HYUFD on the last thread
We must be near the end of times4 -
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Didn't expect next out to be a sacking.
The man is a chutzpah master, isn't he?3 -
Gove was also doing reasonably well at sorting out the cladding crisis. Going after the companies who constructed the sub-standard buildings, rather than the poor leaseholders who bought them. The stuff he was coming up to solve the crisis wasn't perfect, but way, way, way better than the loathesome Jenrick who came before him.Gardenwalker said:Gove is —— WAS —— about the only effective minister left. Effectively operating what could be said to be the governments domestic policy.
Gove's attitude towards the whole cladding / leasehold debacle warmed me to him substantially. One of the few front line politicians of the Johnson era I actually respect.6 -
At the end of the day, he needs to cut out the dead wood in his Cabinet in order to govern in the best interests of the nation as he eyes his fourth term as PM.Gardenwalker said:Why would Boris fire Gove?
Gove has kept his head well down.
Gove-y is okay, but ultimately he's a lightweight in policy terms, and doesn't have the intellect of Dorries or the common touch of JRM.
Wise strategic move IMHO.10 -
This would be the same Boris that you support as PM?bigjohnowls said:Boris is Britain Trump
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I'll take a stab in the dark at this - McVey to replace Gove.0
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https://twitter.com/IanDunt/status/1544779321063120897
"He's basically pissed, on the corner of a street, at 3am, screaming: fuck the lot of you. I'll fight any cnut I want."4 -
No 10 source briefing that Gove is “a snake”0
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I think we've reached the point where Her Majesty has to be advised to dismiss Johnson as Prime Minister.
It's clear that we have a lunatic in No. 10. A man who whose grasp on reality is similar to that of Adolf Hitler in April 1945. The public hate him; his ministers hate him; his backbenchers hate him; the opposition MP's hate him.
He's a shitstain, who needs to be scrubbed down the S Bend.16 -
He was in charge of levelling up in a Government that had no intention of levelling upGallowgate said:I guess it makes sense that Gove has been sacked because levelling up is dead
He was in charge of housing in a Government that had no intention of building enough houses
He was in charge of communities in a Government that hates all of society except reactionary old white people
Did Gove have anything to do in the first place?1 -
Caligula.Gardenwalker said:
Nero appointed his horse.pigeon said:
Now, what loyalist idiot is he going to appoint as the replacement?solarflare said:God this is drama. Boris firing Gove. LOL.
I suppose Boris could try Rachel Johnson.
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That really would be the end for Johnson.pigeon said:
Patel?solarflare said:Sam Coates saying a big resignation still to come this evening as well. No name yet though.
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If Starmer vonc , decent Tories should now vote for it. An impossible, painful position, but the right thing to do.4
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I'm expecting Gove to put out a press release in response that simply says "no u"IanB2 said:No 10 source briefing that Gove is “a snake”
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Gove still has his clique. This is mad.0
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I have little sympathy for supposed Tories who enabled Boris to power. The Big Gs and Casino Royales.
It was always going to end like this.4 -
Didn't @SeanT claim to have made the beast with two backs with her once?Gardenwalker said:
Nero appointed his horse.pigeon said:
Now, what loyalist idiot is he going to appoint as the replacement?solarflare said:God this is drama. Boris firing Gove. LOL.
I suppose Boris could try Rachel Johnson.0 -
Boris ally on Gove sacking just now: "He has just always been treacherous, disloyal, self-obsessed, untrustworthy - pick whichever you like."
https://twitter.com/benrileysmith/status/1544779364092485634
...but he's still the PM10 -
The last thing Number 10 needs is someone who will tell the PM the truth. If Johnson has made one thing clear, it is that he is strongly opposed to the truth.IanB2 said:No 10 source briefing that Gove is “a snake”
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From zero to three times zero.numbertwelve said:Goves chances of being next Tory leader probably tripled just now
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41 Resignations now (and 1 Sacking)1
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Yes! Thank you.Sunil_Prasannan said:0 -
I'm just rereading I, Claudius.pigeon said:
I believe that it was actually Caligula who made his horse a consul.Gardenwalker said:
Nero appointed his horse.pigeon said:
Now, what loyalist idiot is he going to appoint as the replacement?solarflare said:God this is drama. Boris firing Gove. LOL.
I suppose Boris could try Rachel Johnson.
Does Johnson more closely resemble Nero or Caligula? Discuss.
It seems appropriate.3 -
Agree. The balance of the Cabinet and Brady need to speak to the Palace. This evening.Sean_F said:I think we've reached the point where Her Majesty has to be advised to dismiss Johnson as Prime Minister.
It's clear that we have a lunatic in No. 10. A man who whose grasp on reality is similar to that of Adolf Hitler in April 1945. The public hate him; his ministers hate him; his backbenchers hate him; the opposition MP's hate him.
He's a shitstain, who needs to be scrubbed down the S Bend.
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Why hadn’t the daft pillock already resigned ?TheScreamingEagles said:GOVE FIRED
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I don’t know but if you PM me I have some ?libellous gossip to share about her.Casino_Royale said:
Didn't @SeanT claim to have made the beast with two backs with her once?Gardenwalker said:
Nero appointed his horse.pigeon said:
Now, what loyalist idiot is he going to appoint as the replacement?solarflare said:God this is drama. Boris firing Gove. LOL.
I suppose Boris could try Rachel Johnson.1 -
It's a fair point.HYUFD said:
Even after Trump's antics in 2020 the GOP have not disappearedJonathan said:The Tories deserve to disappear for this.
I suppose theoretically that the Tory civil war could precipitate a split and the two sides could destroy one another in something like the Canadian situation in 1993, but it seems unlikely.0 -
Too much Gove will kill you.1
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No.10 right now..
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What do we want?
Leadsom for leader...2 -
Been out expecting Boris to be gone when I get back.
Get back and Boris is still standing while Gove had been FIRED
What the hell are the Tories playing at?1 -
Bewildering as this all is, he needs to be removed by the conventional means - if he's removed by a constitutional stitch up, we will never hear the end of it. If it's next week, it's next week.Sean_F said:I think we've reached the point where Her Majesty has to be advised to dismiss Johnson as Prime Minister.
It's clear that we have a lunatic in No. 10. A man who whose grasp on reality is similar to that of Adolf Hitler in April 1945. The public hate him; his ministers hate him; his backbenchers hate him; the opposition MP's hate him.
He's a shitstain, who needs to be scrubbed down the S Bend.2 -
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Sorry but that is hyperbole.
He's not a lunatic. You may disagree with his actions but they have a logic to it. There also might be a fairly sized chunk of the population who admires him for fighting back. Reading through the Twitter comments (always a bad move), there's a bit more support than you might think.
Re being hated etc etc, the Tories are six percentage points behind Labour, Yes, Davey is winning by-elections. Think he''ll do well when he's asked in a GE "what's a woman" and stumbles like SKS does?
I think he will eventually go but I don't think he should resign - if they want to get rid of him that much, do a VONC and show some balls.Sean_F said:I think we've reached the point where Her Majesty has to be advised to dismiss Johnson as Prime Minister.
It's clear that we have a lunatic in No. 10. A man who whose grasp on reality is similar to that of Adolf Hitler in April 1945. The public hate him; his ministers hate him; his backbenchers hate him; the opposition MP's hate him.
He's a shitstain, who needs to be scrubbed down the S Bend.0 -
Nothing changes the hard fact that in 2019 there were two possible governments. That led by Jezza and that led by Boris. The tragedy of subsequent events does not alter at all the rational conviction that of that choice on that day Jezza was the more sub-optimal.Farooq said:
Fuck him, he voted for this prickHeathener said:I hope @Big_G_NorthWales is okay.
I genuinely feel really sorry for decent, hard-working, party members and followers who must be gutted by what is going on.
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You rang, M'Lud?Gardenwalker said:Where is @Sunil_Prasannan????????
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Really?numbertwelve said:Goves chances of being next Tory leader probably tripled just now
*panicked face*
SAVE BIG DOG!!!!!1 -
Mundell resigns, Daley resigns0
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Gove is a great loss to the civil service. He’s an excellent executive who plans well, is across his brief, and devises and executes good plans well. Sadly, when put in a position he’s ideologically blinkered over he executes terrible plans to perfection.kyf_100 said:
Gove was also doing reasonably well at sorting out the cladding crisis. Going after the companies who constructed the sub-standard buildings, rather than the poor leaseholders who bought them. The stuff he was coming up to solve the crisis wasn't perfect, but way, way, way better than the loathesome Jenrick who came before him.Gardenwalker said:Gove is —— WAS —— about the only effective minister left. Effectively operating what could be said to be the governments domestic policy.
Gove's attitude towards the whole cladding / leasehold debacle warmed me to him substantially. One of the few front line politicians of the Johnson era I actually respect.
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The sacking of Michael Gove is not going down well in the Conservative party. One former Boris Johnson ally tells me: “Sacking Gove is revenge. But Boris is now detached from reality. He is now like Putin.”
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I assume that HY supports the sacking of Gove and now the imminent sackings and removal of the whip of scores of Tory MPs and ministers.
Making yourself a minority government by sacking fucktons of your own MPs was always the sane option.0 -
Latest from Downing Street:
"PM in 'buoyant mood' and will announce economic plan with new chancellor next week
Boris Johnson's parliamentary private secretary James Duddridge has told Sky News the PM is in a "buoyant mood and will fight on".
"He has a 14 million mandate and so much to do for the country," Mr Duddridge said.
"I expect him to make senior cabinet appointments this evening and am looking forward to hearing what the PM and his fantastic Chancellor Nadhim Zahawi have to say tomorrow."
He initially said there would be a joint plan for the economy laid out by Mr Johnson and Mr Zahawi tomorrow, but moments later said it would be next week."
https://news.sky.com/story/boris-johnson-live-updates-pm-fighting-for-political-life-after-sunak-and-javid-quit-125933600 -
The Tory Party is a club. It can and should run the vote at 0900 tomorrow.Luckyguy1983 said:
Bewildering as this all is, he needs to be removed by the conventional means - if he's removed by a constitutional stitch up, we will never hear the end of it. If it's next week, it's next week.Sean_F said:I think we've reached the point where Her Majesty has to be advised to dismiss Johnson as Prime Minister.
It's clear that we have a lunatic in No. 10. A man who whose grasp on reality is similar to that of Adolf Hitler in April 1945. The public hate him; his ministers hate him; his backbenchers hate him; the opposition MP's hate him.
He's a shitstain, who needs to be scrubbed down the S Bend.
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'snake'
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Richard Stroker staying loyal.0
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I wrote about this on the previous thread. All it would take would be Sir Beer Korma sharing a platform with Sir Graham Brady Old Lady and clearly telling the public that Labour won’t seek a GE - they are just doing it for national interest.Jonathan said:If Starmer vonc , decent Tories should now vote for it. An impossible, painful position, but the right thing to do.
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The 1922 should meet again tonight, change their rules tonight, vote tonight, and boot our Boris tonight.3
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Bet they dont though.Jonathan said:If Starmer vonc , decent Tories should now vote for it. An impossible, painful position, but the right thing to do.
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I'd be happy with that. It won't happen, but I do expect her to be in the new cabinet.ThePoliticalParty said:What do we want?
Leadsom for leader...0 -
Parliament has the constitutional weapon to deal with this and is not using it (VONC). Boris is not the only person there putting self interest before the welfare of the nation.Luckyguy1983 said:
Bewildering as this all is, he needs to be removed by the conventional means - if he's removed by a constitutional stitch up, we will never hear the end of it. If it's next week, it's next week.Sean_F said:I think we've reached the point where Her Majesty has to be advised to dismiss Johnson as Prime Minister.
It's clear that we have a lunatic in No. 10. A man who whose grasp on reality is similar to that of Adolf Hitler in April 1945. The public hate him; his ministers hate him; his backbenchers hate him; the opposition MP's hate him.
He's a shitstain, who needs to be scrubbed down the S Bend.
BTW removing him as Tory leader DOES NOT remove him as PM constitutionally. Only a VONC or a GE can do that. If you think Boris does not know this you may be in for a shock.
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Executes, yes. Devises, rather less so.OnboardG1 said:
Gove is a great loss to the civil service. He’s an excellent executive who plans well, is across his brief, and devises and executes good plans well. Sadly, when put in a position he’s ideologically blinkered over he executes terrible plans to perfection.kyf_100 said:
Gove was also doing reasonably well at sorting out the cladding crisis. Going after the companies who constructed the sub-standard buildings, rather than the poor leaseholders who bought them. The stuff he was coming up to solve the crisis wasn't perfect, but way, way, way better than the loathesome Jenrick who came before him.Gardenwalker said:Gove is —— WAS —— about the only effective minister left. Effectively operating what could be said to be the governments domestic policy.
Gove's attitude towards the whole cladding / leasehold debacle warmed me to him substantially. One of the few front line politicians of the Johnson era I actually respect.
The other issue is his utter inflexibility, which isn't just ideology. He genuinely believes he and his mates are brilliant and experts are thick.1 -
Well it shows Boris Johnson's commitment to levelling up.
I fear it may have been missed that after Gove has been sacked, there is now not a single Minister left in the Department for Levelling Up - the flagship policy of the government
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Um, I voted for Hunt.Gardenwalker said:I have little sympathy for supposed Tories who enabled Boris to power. The Big Gs and Casino Royales.
It was always going to end like this.
I did vote Tory in the 2019GE, like millions of others, because the alternative was Corbyn and my local MP was Damian Hinds - who's sane.8 -
Dick Stroker? Another welfare whip?Jonathan said:Richard Stroker staying loyal.
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Advised by whom?Sean_F said:I think we've reached the point where Her Majesty has to be advised to dismiss Johnson as Prime Minister.
It's clear that we have a lunatic in No. 10. A man who whose grasp on reality is similar to that of Adolf Hitler in April 1945. The public hate him; his ministers hate him; his backbenchers hate him; the opposition MP's hate him.
He's a shitstain, who needs to be scrubbed down the S Bend.0 -
If he was Gough Whitlam, she'd already have done soSean_F said:I think we've reached the point where Her Majesty has to be advised to dismiss Johnson as Prime Minister.
It's clear that we have a lunatic in No. 10. A man who whose grasp on reality is similar to that of Adolf Hitler in April 1945. The public hate him; his ministers hate him; his backbenchers hate him; the opposition MP's hate him.
He's a shitstain, who needs to be scrubbed down the S Bend.1
