The cabinet are revolting as they prepare to get their Johnson out. – politicalbetting.com
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She was Minister of State for Higher and Further Education.GIN1138 said:
Who?FrancisUrquhart said:Michelle Donelan is the new secretary of education
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Mind, being famous plod this time would not be for murdering someone, or not catching someone murdering, or distributing photos of someone's dead daughter, or getting folk banged up for playing cards. Quite commendable really.Roger said:
You think it's their fifteen minutes and they're holding back for the perfect moment? I wouldn't blame them. Getting yourself into the history books isn't bad for a policeman.rottenborough said:
If you worked there, surely you would also drag your feet?Roger said:
Has there ever been a more lackadaisical force than Durham. Seven weeks to check out an early evening curry? They could have reenacted the evening several times over using actors.wooliedyed said:
We will never know. He should get his FPN tomorrowCorrectHorseBattery said:So quick question, PB Tories will still find a way to tell us KS would be worse!
Someone's taking the piss.
Announcing anything tomorrow would be a total fucking kaboom.
Might have been even more impressive if a civil servant hadn't just removed a Prime Minister0 -
Nice! I never saw that version. In the British version Francis Urquhart throws her off the building.BartholomewRoberts said:
Or metaphorically behind him while an oncoming train approaches ...Nigel_Foremain said:
It was announced earlier that she "stands behind the PM". That maybe with a stiletto. We can but hopeBartholomewRoberts said:I see people are saying that Truss has already pledged loyalty to Boris? When and where did she do that? Just checked her Twitter and there's nothing there.
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In June 2016 26 Labour Shadow Cabinet Ministers resigned. Corbyn brushed it off and pressed on and just reshuffled his Cabinet.Anabobazina said:Boris truly is Corbyn.
Brother by another mother.
He needs to be surgically removed by the 1922 - immediately. He is a vivid embarrassment to the country.
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She could still resign in the morning.boulay said:
It would be beautiful poetic justice - Liz stays “loyal” to hopefully be in position to replace her boss who she is “loyal” to but isn’t loyal to anyone then misses the gig she wants to someone else who will remain “loyal” for the job she wants and he wants.MaxPB said:Surely Liz Truss has to resign if Zahawi is promoted ahead of her. Huge slap in her face if he gets the gig by blackmailing the pig dog.
Then she loses on all fronts.
Dog’s dinner. Trussed chicken.
"Having slept on it overnight, I find that Sunak and Javid were right.... I'm off."
I agree she can't resign this evening though. She needs cover of a good nights sleep to think it over.0 -
Rishi's next job could be in cyber4
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Rather like the suffect consuls of Ancient Rome. Put in for a few days at the end of the consular year just so they had the sticker to put on their chariot, and the go-faster stripe on their toga, or whatever the mark of the consulares was.Leon said:
So he had no faith that he could’ve been leader. Because he’s bald. So COTE for ten weeks is a triumph, Hmm…..Luckyguy1983 said:
Being as bald as a coot, he just stepped into the most senior position he'll ever be able to hold in his chosen field. That's a hell of an achievement, however short-lived.Leon said:Zahawi kisses goodbye to his career. Why?
It’s OK to lie low with a toothache, but to take the main job vacated by the assassins means you are fucked when the assassins finally prevail, which they surely will
For a few months as COTE? Why??
I’m not disputing this, I’m considering it, and yes I am sure there is an element of that. Earlier today I was thinking of Dominic Raab, who must kinda be hoping that Boris goes, because then he gets to be PM, if only for 6 weeks, and then he can say to himself Well, i was Prime Minister of the United Kingdom, to his dying day, and that is definitely SOMETHING. Indeed it means - if it happens - that he has gone further than 99.999% of his fellow politicians, and all the people that sneered at him for being short or being “called Raab” when he was a kid can now go and jump in Lake Windermere. Raab wins the Game of Life. Raab was PM0 -
The Bank of England has raised the spectre of a sharp rise in interest rates after deputy governor Sir Jon Cunliffe said that households could withstand borrowing costs as high as 5pc without defaulting on their debts.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2022/07/05/banks-ordered-rein-lending/0 -
He had the letters last month, Boris still won the voteBig_G_NorthWales said:
Brady has the lettersHYUFD said:
Boris ain't going to resign, he has the hide of a Rhinoceraus combined with the stubborn temperament of Trump and Corbyn. He is already completing the reshuffle of the Cabinet to replace those lost.TheScreamingEagles said:I'm coming to the belief that the rebels have the 180 magic total, and it won't be further cabinet resignations that do for Boris Johnson but Sir Graham Brady having a chat.
Brady's chats won't make any difference, he doesn't know that over 50% of Tory MPs would VONC Boris anymore than Boris does and Boris has already survived one VONC0 -
Maybe the rules SHOULD say that a PM is protected for 12 months after winning a VOC UNLESS the number of letters exceeds 50% of CP MPs?Big_G_NorthWales said:
Brady has the lettersHYUFD said:
Boris ain't going to resign, he has the hide of a Rhinoceraus combined with the stubborn temperament of Trump and Corbyn. He is already completing the reshuffle of the Cabinet to replace those lost.TheScreamingEagles said:I'm coming to the belief that the rebels have the 180 magic total, and it won't be further cabinet resignations that do for Boris Johnson but Sir Graham Brady having a chat.
Brady's chats won't make any difference, he doesn't know that over 50% of Tory MPs would VONC Boris anymore than Boris does and Boris has already survived one VONC
Trouble is the rules don't say that.1 -
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His handle is DishiRishi1980 on OnlyFans.CorrectHorseBattery said:Rishi's next job could be in cyber
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I mean, if Labour brought a confidence vote right now Boris would win it, no?Casino_Royale said:
In reality, he has (or had) the confidence of about 200 MPs or less than a third of the house.Scott_xP said:Final thought this evening - Rees-Mogg pushing the line that the PM “continues to command a majority of the House”. I mean, you could maybe just about get away with that if there hadn’t recently been a confidence vote in which on a best-case scenario the payroll voted to keep you
There’s a lot of Virtua Parly/green screen studio extrapolation in this tweet (with arm-waving), with added thought experiments - but I can’t work out how the PM can claim he commands a majority any longer
https://twitter.com/skynewsniall/status/1544413837071360002
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Dozens more since thenHYUFD said:
He had the letters last month, Boris still won the voteBig_G_NorthWales said:
Brady has the lettersHYUFD said:
Boris ain't going to resign, he has the hide of a Rhinoceraus combined with the stubborn temperament of Trump and Corbyn. He is already completing the reshuffle of the Cabinet to replace those lost.TheScreamingEagles said:I'm coming to the belief that the rebels have the 180 magic total, and it won't be further cabinet resignations that do for Boris Johnson but Sir Graham Brady having a chat.
Brady's chats won't make any difference, he doesn't know that over 50% of Tory MPs would VONC Boris anymore than Boris does and Boris has already survived one VONC0 -
Exactly. I don't think Cameron 'I'd be rather good at it' had any ambitions beyond getting the top job and 'being it' for a little while. And I've really struggled to get Boris's motivation for his barnacle grip on the job. I've got several theories, but one could just be 'beating Cameron' - which is something I think Boris has always taken pleasure in.Leon said:
So he had no faith that he could’ve been leader. Because he’s bald. So COTE for ten weeks is a triumph, Hmm…..Luckyguy1983 said:
Being as bald as a coot, he just stepped into the most senior position he'll ever be able to hold in his chosen field. That's a hell of an achievement, however short-lived.Leon said:Zahawi kisses goodbye to his career. Why?
It’s OK to lie low with a toothache, but to take the main job vacated by the assassins means you are fucked when the assassins finally prevail, which they surely will
For a few months as COTE? Why??
I’m not disputing this, I’m considering it, and yes I am sure there is an element of that. Earlier today I was thinking of Dominic Raab, who must kinda be hoping that Boris goes, because then he gets to be PM, if only for 6 weeks, and then he can say to himself Well, i was Prime Minister of the United Kingdom, to his dying day, and that is definitely SOMETHING. Indeed it means - if it happens - that he has gone further than 99.999% of his fellow politicians, and all the people that sneered at him for being short or being “called Raab” when he was a kid can now go and jump in Lake Windermere. Raab wins the Game of Life. Raab was PM.0 -
A period of a day or so to consider would be becoming. But even then: JRM to education? That’s simply trolling, not the actions of a serious politician.edmundintokyo said:
As far as we can tell he still has the votes to carry on, why wouldn't he appoint people to new positions?TimS said:Just back from a fun boozy night on the terrace pavilion - I passed JRM giving a talk to camera, Chris Bryant hanging around, Jess Philips walking past in a daze looking intently at her phone, and that boorish bearded Stoke MP - you know the one who laughs at Boris’s jokes at PMQs - who barged past me to another party. Everyone already talking about the coming leadership election.
And I see that he’s still not gone. What’s more he’s going full hitler bunker and appointing people to new positions Willy-nilly. Is the man mad?
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As the Boris team rushes to announce these new Cabinet appointments in time for the 10pm news..
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What on earth does Nadhim Zahawi have to gain from this? Weird decision, like grabbing the box of Celebrations when all that's left are a couple of Topic and Bounty and some mournful Milky Way wrappers2 -
Was she really? Well I've never heard of her...FrancisUrquhart said:
She was Minister of State for Higher and Further Education.GIN1138 said:
Who?FrancisUrquhart said:Michelle Donelan is the new secretary of education
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2 out of 10 is not bad for Windsor Comprehensive. Macmillan and Gladstone, BTW.HYUFD said:
It turned out Rory Stewart, David Cameron, Macmillan, Gladstone and Douglas Hurd and Prince William and Justin Welby as much as Boris and Rees Mogg and Jeremy ThorpeBeibheirli_C said:Can we finally agree that whatever else it does, Eton does not turn out geniuses or superbly educated, mentally versatile people fit to run the country?
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Events, dear boy, eventsHYUFD said:
He had the letters last month, Boris still won the voteBig_G_NorthWales said:
Brady has the lettersHYUFD said:
Boris ain't going to resign, he has the hide of a Rhinoceraus combined with the stubborn temperament of Trump and Corbyn. He is already completing the reshuffle of the Cabinet to replace those lost.TheScreamingEagles said:I'm coming to the belief that the rebels have the 180 magic total, and it won't be further cabinet resignations that do for Boris Johnson but Sir Graham Brady having a chat.
Brady's chats won't make any difference, he doesn't know that over 50% of Tory MPs would VONC Boris anymore than Boris does and Boris has already survived one VONC0 -
I think thats a tad unfair on Corbyn....Anabobazina said:Boris truly is Corbyn.
Brother by another mother.
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But no legitimate way of using them until next June....Big_G_NorthWales said:
Brady has the lettersHYUFD said:
Boris ain't going to resign, he has the hide of a Rhinoceraus combined with the stubborn temperament of Trump and Corbyn. He is already completing the reshuffle of the Cabinet to replace those lost.TheScreamingEagles said:I'm coming to the belief that the rebels have the 180 magic total, and it won't be further cabinet resignations that do for Boris Johnson but Sir Graham Brady having a chat.
Brady's chats won't make any difference, he doesn't know that over 50% of Tory MPs would VONC Boris anymore than Boris does and Boris has already survived one VONC1 -
It must be very tempting to call a VONC, Labour cannot lose.edmundintokyo said:
I mean, if Labour brought a confidence vote right now Boris would win it, no?Casino_Royale said:
In reality, he has (or had) the confidence of about 200 MPs or less than a third of the house.Scott_xP said:Final thought this evening - Rees-Mogg pushing the line that the PM “continues to command a majority of the House”. I mean, you could maybe just about get away with that if there hadn’t recently been a confidence vote in which on a best-case scenario the payroll voted to keep you
There’s a lot of Virtua Parly/green screen studio extrapolation in this tweet (with arm-waving), with added thought experiments - but I can’t work out how the PM can claim he commands a majority any longer
https://twitter.com/skynewsniall/status/1544413837071360002
It will be even less now.0 -
That's exactly what happened with the prorogation and she failed in her role because she doesn't have the mandate to use her theoretical power.Casino_Royale said:
They are there to protect the country against a rogue PM who's totally unprincipled and is trying to game the constitution.LostPassword said:
That's not the Queen's way. To contradict her Prime Minister would be to go against her entire method of Queenship. Doing exactly as her Prime Minister tells her to do allows her to hide behind the Constitution. Actually making a judgement runs the risk of people deciding her judgement was wrong and that she should be replaced by someone with better judgement.Casino_Royale said:
That's why she won't.TheScreamingEagles said:
Politics were even more polarised than now.Casino_Royale said:
Not when the politics are like this.TheScreamingEagles said:
She'll do whatever her PM tells her to do, just look at her granting the 2019 prorogation.Casino_Royale said:
That would violate all three Lascelles principles.CorrectHorseBattery said:Genuinely Johnson will call an election to get rid of people plotting, his only way out. Nailed on IMHO
Denying one could be Her Maj's finest hour.
He's also got a near 80 seat majority, she'll grant a dissolution.
The current parliament is capable of doing it's job, another leader can easily be found who will command confidence of the Commons and there's an economic crisis.
HMQ will get cover by the politicians laying out the alternative behind the scenes and liaising with her private secretary.
The Lascelles principles only work if they deter a PM from contradicting them. The Queen will do everything to avoid being seen as a political actor.
That's where we're at right now.
It's why we need an elected head of state - the monarchy is too scared to play the role the Constitution leaves to them.1 -
I've often felt like a wee bit of a mug for fixing my interest rate when I took out my mortgage (on the basis I didn't think that <1% base rate could last forever). I am now very glad I did. Not so much because I'll spend less overall but because I know my outgoings aren't going to spike at a bad time.FrancisUrquhart said:The Bank of England has raised the spectre of a sharp rise in interest rates after deputy governor Sir Jon Cunliffe said that households could withstand borrowing costs as high as 5pc without defaulting on their debts.
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I'm not exactly an avid 'reader' of The Daily Star but an amusing front page for tomorrow:
https://www.tomorrowspapers.co.uk/daily-star-front-page-2022-07-06/
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It's not in Boris though.edmundintokyo said:
I mean, if Labour brought a confidence vote right now Boris would win it, no?Casino_Royale said:
In reality, he has (or had) the confidence of about 200 MPs or less than a third of the house.Scott_xP said:Final thought this evening - Rees-Mogg pushing the line that the PM “continues to command a majority of the House”. I mean, you could maybe just about get away with that if there hadn’t recently been a confidence vote in which on a best-case scenario the payroll voted to keep you
There’s a lot of Virtua Parly/green screen studio extrapolation in this tweet (with arm-waving), with added thought experiments - but I can’t work out how the PM can claim he commands a majority any longer
https://twitter.com/skynewsniall/status/1544413837071360002
It will be even less now.
It's in the government.0 -
Sort of feels like tonight is an accidental crisis - Javid and Sunak simultaneously and spontaneously saying enough's enough off their own backs, rather than them signalling the beginning of a coordinated rout - that's turned into a second missed bullet from the Tory leadership gun.0
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Hmm. Kamala Harris turning into Dubya.
U.S. Vice President Kamala Harris said: "Gas prices are high due to gas prices not being low as before. To get back to lower prices we have to acknowledge gas is high which is the opposite of low."
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One minute to ten. Time for Liz to quit?0
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I think people underestimate how much of a political animal Johnson is. He'd be lost without it.Luckyguy1983 said:
Exactly. I don't think Cameron 'I'd be rather good at it' had any ambitions beyond getting the top job and 'being it' for a little while. And I've really struggled to get Boris's motivation for his barnacle grip on the job. I've got several theories, but one could just be 'beating Cameron' - which is something I think Boris has always taken pleasure in.Leon said:
So he had no faith that he could’ve been leader. Because he’s bald. So COTE for ten weeks is a triumph, Hmm…..Luckyguy1983 said:
Being as bald as a coot, he just stepped into the most senior position he'll ever be able to hold in his chosen field. That's a hell of an achievement, however short-lived.Leon said:Zahawi kisses goodbye to his career. Why?
It’s OK to lie low with a toothache, but to take the main job vacated by the assassins means you are fucked when the assassins finally prevail, which they surely will
For a few months as COTE? Why??
I’m not disputing this, I’m considering it, and yes I am sure there is an element of that. Earlier today I was thinking of Dominic Raab, who must kinda be hoping that Boris goes, because then he gets to be PM, if only for 6 weeks, and then he can say to himself Well, i was Prime Minister of the United Kingdom, to his dying day, and that is definitely SOMETHING. Indeed it means - if it happens - that he has gone further than 99.999% of his fellow politicians, and all the people that sneered at him for being short or being “called Raab” when he was a kid can now go and jump in Lake Windermere. Raab wins the Game of Life. Raab was PM.0 -
I do hope the mods are noting my extraordinary restraintFarooq said:
I don't want you to be nice to me, I want a badger to bite you in the cock.Leon said:
I am actually a tiny bit worried. You don’t seem happy at allFarooq said:
I'm not sticking around long, don't you worry.Leon said:
No, I will calmly suggest that this might not be the best time to return to PB, if you are so volatileFarooq said:
So, this is a genuine attempt to BE NICE to you
I remember we have had good chats in the past, Recall how we share a dislike of horrible loud motorbike exhausts! Stay and be friends with people, if you can; but if all you feel able to do is spit hatred and bile then I suggest that’s not great. For you. Is all0 -
Slough Comp. Windsor is the other side of the river.Fairliered said:
2 out of 10 is not bad for Windsor Comprehensive. Macmillan and Gladstone, BTW.HYUFD said:
It turned out Rory Stewart, David Cameron, Macmillan, Gladstone and Douglas Hurd and Prince William and Justin Welby as much as Boris and Rees Mogg and Jeremy ThorpeBeibheirli_C said:Can we finally agree that whatever else it does, Eton does not turn out geniuses or superbly educated, mentally versatile people fit to run the country?
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Simply not true. The committee can change the rules by vote.eek said:
But no legitimate way of using them until next June....Big_G_NorthWales said:
Brady has the lettersHYUFD said:
Boris ain't going to resign, he has the hide of a Rhinoceraus combined with the stubborn temperament of Trump and Corbyn. He is already completing the reshuffle of the Cabinet to replace those lost.TheScreamingEagles said:I'm coming to the belief that the rebels have the 180 magic total, and it won't be further cabinet resignations that do for Boris Johnson but Sir Graham Brady having a chat.
Brady's chats won't make any difference, he doesn't know that over 50% of Tory MPs would VONC Boris anymore than Boris does and Boris has already survived one VONC0 -
Does it specifically have to be a badger?Farooq said:
I don't want you to be nice to me, I want a badger to bite you in the cock.Leon said:
I am actually a tiny bit worried. You don’t seem happy at allFarooq said:
I'm not sticking around long, don't you worry.Leon said:
No, I will calmly suggest that this might not be the best time to return to PB, if you are so volatileFarooq said:
So, this is a genuine attempt to BE NICE to you
I remember we have had good chats in the past, Recall how we share a dislike of horrible loud motorbike exhausts! Stay and be friends with people, if you can; but if all you feel able to do is spit hatred and bile then I suggest that’s not great. For you. Is all0 -
Sorry.TimS said:
A period of a day or so to consider would be becoming. But even then: JRM to education? That’s simply trolling, not the actions of a serious politician.edmundintokyo said:
As far as we can tell he still has the votes to carry on, why wouldn't he appoint people to new positions?TimS said:Just back from a fun boozy night on the terrace pavilion - I passed JRM giving a talk to camera, Chris Bryant hanging around, Jess Philips walking past in a daze looking intently at her phone, and that boorish bearded Stoke MP - you know the one who laughs at Boris’s jokes at PMQs - who barged past me to another party. Everyone already talking about the coming leadership election.
And I see that he’s still not gone. What’s more he’s going full hitler bunker and appointing people to new positions Willy-nilly. Is the man mad?
I was trolling with that suggestion.0 -
The 1922 meet tomorrow to arrange the election of the new members including our own Aaron Bell who can change the rules in an instant and a vonc before the end of this montheek said:
But no legitimate way of using them until next June....Big_G_NorthWales said:
Brady has the lettersHYUFD said:
Boris ain't going to resign, he has the hide of a Rhinoceraus combined with the stubborn temperament of Trump and Corbyn. He is already completing the reshuffle of the Cabinet to replace those lost.TheScreamingEagles said:I'm coming to the belief that the rebels have the 180 magic total, and it won't be further cabinet resignations that do for Boris Johnson but Sir Graham Brady having a chat.
Brady's chats won't make any difference, he doesn't know that over 50% of Tory MPs would VONC Boris anymore than Boris does and Boris has already survived one VONC0 -
The number of Britons who want Boris Johnson to resign has reached a new high, at 69%.
The majority of 2019 Conservative voters (54%) also want to see the PM go, the first time this has been higher than the number who want him to stay (33%)
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/survey-results/daily/2022/07/05/b572b/1 https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1544423365712252928 https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1544425921435901952/photo/11 -
There are things we know we know about gas prices, things we know we don't know about gas prices and things we don't know we don't know about gas prices.MattW said:Hmm. Kamala Harris turning into Dubya.
U.S. Vice President Kamala Harris said: "Gas prices are high due to gas prices not being low as before. To get back to lower prices we have to acknowledge gas is high which is the opposite of low."
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I forgot about him. So, 30 days (and staying alive for a bonus mark). Just might be more doable.dixiedean said:
Iain McLeod.DavidL said:
One of our historians will correct me if I am wrong but the shortest time as Chancellor I can think of is that of the Saj: 24 July 2019 – 13 February 2020. So by my reckoning 204 days is the target. I think he has less chance than the England test team has had of late.rottenborough said:Harry Cole
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Really is Team Dementia and Dunce running the US.MattW said:Hmm. Kamala Harris turning into Dubya.
U.S. Vice President Kamala Harris said: "Gas prices are high due to gas prices not being low as before. To get back to lower prices we have to acknowledge gas is high which is the opposite of low."
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I just googled Michael Gove and I cant find any reference to him commenting on today's events. Anyone else seen anything?0
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JRM to anything wouldn't be the action of a serious politician but Boris previously made him Leader of the House and the voters apparently weren't bothered.TimS said:
A period of a day or so to consider would be becoming. But even then: JRM to education? That’s simply trolling, not the actions of a serious politician.edmundintokyo said:
As far as we can tell he still has the votes to carry on, why wouldn't he appoint people to new positions?TimS said:Just back from a fun boozy night on the terrace pavilion - I passed JRM giving a talk to camera, Chris Bryant hanging around, Jess Philips walking past in a daze looking intently at her phone, and that boorish bearded Stoke MP - you know the one who laughs at Boris’s jokes at PMQs - who barged past me to another party. Everyone already talking about the coming leadership election.
And I see that he’s still not gone. What’s more he’s going full hitler bunker and appointing people to new positions Willy-nilly. Is the man mad?0 -
A lot of my contacts telling me Zahawi has messed up by grabbing the Treasury crown at a difficult time. I disagree. Massive hike in name recognition and the chance to win backbench favour with a tax cut. Being chancellor for 5 mins didn't do John Major any harm
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There are many in Labour who want Johnson in post and his removal changes the narrativeJonathan said:@Big_G_NorthWales
Are you still sticking to your bold claim that Labour are having a bad day?
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No! This one was fun. I refuse to be dislodged.TheScreamingEagles said:NEW THREAD
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CRT is a real thing invented by the Left to practice actual racism.bondegezou said:
CRT is a bogeyman invented by the Right to dogwhistle racism. The people pushing CRT fears are the people who claim Trump won the election and that COVID vaccines are dangerous.Casino_Royale said:
I think you're so embedded into ground zero of liberal California you fail to recognise CRT for the cancer it is.rcs1000 said:
If only you knew as much about US universities and CRT as you do about AI.Leon said:
But it is, at least, a startdarkage said:
I've got little confidence the situation will improve because of 'government surveys'. Too blunt. A softer approach, linking state funding with commitments to viewpoint diversity and freedom of speech would probably be more effective.Leon said:
No. Completely justified. The horrendous onethink on American campuses has to be challenged. They are 99% Democrat and 98% Woke, yet the rest of America really is not, and this gulf is bad for any countryTheScreamingEagles said:Genuinely scary.
Public universities in Florida will be required to survey both faculty and students on their political beliefs and viewpoints, with the institutions at risk of losing their funding if the responses are not satisfactory to the state's Republican-led legislature.
The unprecedented project, which was tucked into a law signed Tuesday by Republican Gov. Ron DeSantis, is part of a long-running, nationwide right-wing push to promote "intellectual diversity" on campuses — though worries over a lack of details on the survey's privacy protections, and questions over what the results may ultimately be used for, hover over the venture.
Based on the bill's language, survey responses will not necessarily be anonymous — sparking worries among many professors and other university staff that they may be targeted, held back in their careers or even fired for their beliefs.
According to the bill's sponsor, state Sen. Ray Rodrigues, faculty will not be promoted or fired based on their responses, but, as The Tampa Bay Times reported Tuesday, the bill itself does not back up those claims.
https://www.salon.com/2021/06/23/desantis-signs-bill-requiring-florida-students-professors-to-register-political-views-with-state/
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Meanwhile in the other big news of the night the ECMWF model gives us over a week of intense heatwave into mid month and a large proportion of its ensemble runs give us record breaking hot temperatures 10-12 days from now.
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Utterly disagreed.fitalass said:As the Boris team rushes to announce these new Cabinet appointments in time for the 10pm news..
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What on earth does Nadhim Zahawi have to gain from this? Weird decision, like grabbing the box of Celebrations when all that's left are a couple of Topic and Bounty and some mournful Milky Way wrappers
The country needs a Chancellor of the Exchequer. If the markets opened tomorrow without a CoE then sterling would collapse and the markets would be in utter turmoil. If called, then its responsible for someone to serve.
If Boris goes quickly now, he's already there as Chancellor and is widely respected so will not be toxic or damaged by taking on this role. If he doesn't go quickly, he can deliver his own resignation next scandal.0 -
If a majority tell Brady they want the rules changing, that's legitimate.eek said:
But no legitimate way of using them until next June....Big_G_NorthWales said:
Brady has the lettersHYUFD said:
Boris ain't going to resign, he has the hide of a Rhinoceraus combined with the stubborn temperament of Trump and Corbyn. He is already completing the reshuffle of the Cabinet to replace those lost.TheScreamingEagles said:I'm coming to the belief that the rebels have the 180 magic total, and it won't be further cabinet resignations that do for Boris Johnson but Sir Graham Brady having a chat.
Brady's chats won't make any difference, he doesn't know that over 50% of Tory MPs would VONC Boris anymore than Boris does and Boris has already survived one VONC0 -
Fair enough.rcs1000 said:
I'm mostly poking @Leon's tail re sentient AI, tbh.Casino_Royale said:
I think you're so embedded into ground zero of liberal California you fail to recognise CRT for the cancer it is.rcs1000 said:
If only you knew as much about US universities and CRT as you do about AI.Leon said:
But it is, at least, a startdarkage said:
I've got little confidence the situation will improve because of 'government surveys'. Too blunt. A softer approach, linking state funding with commitments to viewpoint diversity and freedom of speech would probably be more effective.Leon said:
No. Completely justified. The horrendous onethink on American campuses has to be challenged. They are 99% Democrat and 98% Woke, yet the rest of America really is not, and this gulf is bad for any countryTheScreamingEagles said:Genuinely scary.
Public universities in Florida will be required to survey both faculty and students on their political beliefs and viewpoints, with the institutions at risk of losing their funding if the responses are not satisfactory to the state's Republican-led legislature.
The unprecedented project, which was tucked into a law signed Tuesday by Republican Gov. Ron DeSantis, is part of a long-running, nationwide right-wing push to promote "intellectual diversity" on campuses — though worries over a lack of details on the survey's privacy protections, and questions over what the results may ultimately be used for, hover over the venture.
Based on the bill's language, survey responses will not necessarily be anonymous — sparking worries among many professors and other university staff that they may be targeted, held back in their careers or even fired for their beliefs.
According to the bill's sponsor, state Sen. Ray Rodrigues, faculty will not be promoted or fired based on their responses, but, as The Tampa Bay Times reported Tuesday, the bill itself does not back up those claims.
https://www.salon.com/2021/06/23/desantis-signs-bill-requiring-florida-students-professors-to-register-political-views-with-state/
Extirpating Extreme Wokeness from Academe is an urgent need. That’s where CRT came from: the universities0 -
Snake in the grass Zahawi has just taken the 50 pieces of silver.0
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No we don't need an elected head of state who would be party political, deeply divisive and half the country would loathe.LostPassword said:
That's exactly what happened with the prorogation and she failed in her role because she doesn't have the mandate to use her theoretical power.Casino_Royale said:
They are there to protect the country against a rogue PM who's totally unprincipled and is trying to game the constitution.LostPassword said:
That's not the Queen's way. To contradict her Prime Minister would be to go against her entire method of Queenship. Doing exactly as her Prime Minister tells her to do allows her to hide behind the Constitution. Actually making a judgement runs the risk of people deciding her judgement was wrong and that she should be replaced by someone with better judgement.Casino_Royale said:
That's why she won't.TheScreamingEagles said:
Politics were even more polarised than now.Casino_Royale said:
Not when the politics are like this.TheScreamingEagles said:
She'll do whatever her PM tells her to do, just look at her granting the 2019 prorogation.Casino_Royale said:
That would violate all three Lascelles principles.CorrectHorseBattery said:Genuinely Johnson will call an election to get rid of people plotting, his only way out. Nailed on IMHO
Denying one could be Her Maj's finest hour.
He's also got a near 80 seat majority, she'll grant a dissolution.
The current parliament is capable of doing it's job, another leader can easily be found who will command confidence of the Commons and there's an economic crisis.
HMQ will get cover by the politicians laying out the alternative behind the scenes and liaising with her private secretary.
The Lascelles principles only work if they deter a PM from contradicting them. The Queen will do everything to avoid being seen as a political actor.
That's where we're at right now.
It's why we need an elected head of state - the monarchy is too scared to play the role the Constitution leaves to them.
Though I do think Charles if he were King would have rejected prorogation0 -
She's a spectacularly robotic communicator:MattW said:Hmm. Kamala Harris turning into Dubya.
U.S. Vice President Kamala Harris said: "Gas prices are high due to gas prices not being low as before. To get back to lower prices we have to acknowledge gas is high which is the opposite of low."
https://twitter.com/Sing2wong/status/1543938711838138368
"... which is why we will work together and continue to work together, to address these issues, to tackle these challenges and to work together as we continue to work, operating from the new norms, rules and agreements that we will convene to work together on, to galvanise global action. With that I thank you all. This is a matter of urgent priority for all of us and I know we will work on this together."
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No it isn't.LostPassword said:
That's exactly what happened with the prorogation and she failed in her role because she doesn't have the mandate to use her theoretical power.Casino_Royale said:
They are there to protect the country against a rogue PM who's totally unprincipled and is trying to game the constitution.LostPassword said:
That's not the Queen's way. To contradict her Prime Minister would be to go against her entire method of Queenship. Doing exactly as her Prime Minister tells her to do allows her to hide behind the Constitution. Actually making a judgement runs the risk of people deciding her judgement was wrong and that she should be replaced by someone with better judgement.Casino_Royale said:
That's why she won't.TheScreamingEagles said:
Politics were even more polarised than now.Casino_Royale said:
Not when the politics are like this.TheScreamingEagles said:
She'll do whatever her PM tells her to do, just look at her granting the 2019 prorogation.Casino_Royale said:
That would violate all three Lascelles principles.CorrectHorseBattery said:Genuinely Johnson will call an election to get rid of people plotting, his only way out. Nailed on IMHO
Denying one could be Her Maj's finest hour.
He's also got a near 80 seat majority, she'll grant a dissolution.
The current parliament is capable of doing it's job, another leader can easily be found who will command confidence of the Commons and there's an economic crisis.
HMQ will get cover by the politicians laying out the alternative behind the scenes and liaising with her private secretary.
The Lascelles principles only work if they deter a PM from contradicting them. The Queen will do everything to avoid being seen as a political actor.
That's where we're at right now.
It's why we need an elected head of state - the monarchy is too scared to play the role the Constitution leaves to them.1 -
Lay ZahawiScott_xP said:And the answer is … drum roll .. Nadhim Zahawi … strange move for a smart man. https://twitter.com/afneil/status/1544403386652852225
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LostPassword said:
That's not the Queen's way. To contradict her Prime Minister would be to go against her entire method of Queenship. Doing exactly as her Prime Minister tells her to do allows her to hide behind the Constitution. Actually making a judgement runs the risk of people deciding her judgement was wrong and that she should be replaced by someone with better judgement.Casino_Royale said:
That's why she won't.TheScreamingEagles said:
Politics were even more polarised than now.Casino_Royale said:
Not when the politics are like this.TheScreamingEagles said:
She'll do whatever her PM tells her to do, just look at her granting the 2019 prorogation.Casino_Royale said:
That would violate all three Lascelles principles.CorrectHorseBattery said:Genuinely Johnson will call an election to get rid of people plotting, his only way out. Nailed on IMHO
Denying one could be Her Maj's finest hour.
He's also got a near 80 seat majority, she'll grant a dissolution.
The current parliament is capable of doing it's job, another leader can easily be found who will command confidence of the Commons and there's an economic crisis.
HMQ will get cover by the politicians laying out the alternative behind the scenes and liaising with her private secretary.
The Lascelles principles only work if they deter a PM from contradicting them. The Queen will do everything to avoid being seen as a political actor.
Does that mean we are leaderless until you wake or OGH is less busy?TheScreamingEagles said:I'm thinking about going to bed.
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But, if he lost it, although his government would resign that doesn't automatically trigger a GE.edmundintokyo said:
I mean, if Labour brought a confidence vote right now Boris would win it, no?Casino_Royale said:
In reality, he has (or had) the confidence of about 200 MPs or less than a third of the house.Scott_xP said:Final thought this evening - Rees-Mogg pushing the line that the PM “continues to command a majority of the House”. I mean, you could maybe just about get away with that if there hadn’t recently been a confidence vote in which on a best-case scenario the payroll voted to keep you
There’s a lot of Virtua Parly/green screen studio extrapolation in this tweet (with arm-waving), with added thought experiments - but I can’t work out how the PM can claim he commands a majority any longer
https://twitter.com/skynewsniall/status/1544413837071360002
It will be even less now.
There are others who can command confidence of the House.0 -
Actually, yes it is. The reigns of the successors od EiiR will be very different.Casino_Royale said:
No it isn't.LostPassword said:
That's exactly what happened with the prorogation and she failed in her role because she doesn't have the mandate to use her theoretical power.Casino_Royale said:
They are there to protect the country against a rogue PM who's totally unprincipled and is trying to game the constitution.LostPassword said:
That's not the Queen's way. To contradict her Prime Minister would be to go against her entire method of Queenship. Doing exactly as her Prime Minister tells her to do allows her to hide behind the Constitution. Actually making a judgement runs the risk of people deciding her judgement was wrong and that she should be replaced by someone with better judgement.Casino_Royale said:
That's why she won't.TheScreamingEagles said:
Politics were even more polarised than now.Casino_Royale said:
Not when the politics are like this.TheScreamingEagles said:
She'll do whatever her PM tells her to do, just look at her granting the 2019 prorogation.Casino_Royale said:
That would violate all three Lascelles principles.CorrectHorseBattery said:Genuinely Johnson will call an election to get rid of people plotting, his only way out. Nailed on IMHO
Denying one could be Her Maj's finest hour.
He's also got a near 80 seat majority, she'll grant a dissolution.
The current parliament is capable of doing it's job, another leader can easily be found who will command confidence of the Commons and there's an economic crisis.
HMQ will get cover by the politicians laying out the alternative behind the scenes and liaising with her private secretary.
The Lascelles principles only work if they deter a PM from contradicting them. The Queen will do everything to avoid being seen as a political actor.
That's where we're at right now.
It's why we need an elected head of state - the monarchy is too scared to play the role the Constitution leaves to them.0 -
Apart from the Express. They’re overdue a Diana headline.rottenborough said:So - Mail front page will be some bollx about Battling Johnson fights to stop EU banning tape measures that have inches on them?
Rest of papers: End of Johnson.0 -
I do agree. This isn't as bad as Corbyn and Corbyn brushed it off and went on to fight TWO General Elections.HYUFD said:
In June 2016 26 Labour Shadow Cabinet Ministers resigned. Corbyn brushed it off and pressed on and just reshuffled his Cabinet.Anabobazina said:Boris truly is Corbyn.
Brother by another mother.
He needs to be surgically removed by the 1922 - immediately. He is a vivid embarrassment to the country.
So far Boris is simply following the same game plan
But on the other hand, its pretty clear that what remains of the Johnson government does not command a majority, or anything approaching a majority, in the House of Commons. It's not even clear if his support amongst MPs is greater than Labour MPs.
Testing it however, could be tricky, for reasons I've outlined earlier.0 -
Indeed.HYUFD said:
In June 2016 26 Labour Shadow Cabinet Ministers resigned. Corbyn brushed it off and pressed on and just reshuffled his Cabinet.Anabobazina said:Boris truly is Corbyn.
Brother by another mother.
He needs to be surgically removed by the 1922 - immediately. He is a vivid embarrassment to the country.
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Who are the real unemployables? Mogg and Dorries obviously. Probably Hancock. Given the limited abilities on the back benches, are the likes of Patel and Truss really unemployable?Roger said:
Zahawi's the one to watch. Perhaps he's already spoken but they don't come much more ambitious. Possibly he'll be offered CoE but I doubt he'll take it. There are only three Cabinet Ministers likely to get a job under a new leader and Zahawi's the only one who hasn't resigned.Northern_Al said:All a bit of an anti-climax now, this piece of theatre. I really enjoyed the first couple of hours, but the plot seems to have run out of steam quite quickly for today.
(Incidentally nobody, I think, has mentioned Alok Sharma, who is in the Cabinet. What's his view of his Leader?)
All the real unemployables have already sworn loyalty0 -
It's only 'missed' because Boris is completely shameless and the only way to now get rid is a change of the 1922 rules or Starmer VoNCing in Parliament.solarflare said:Sort of feels like tonight is an accidental crisis - Javid and Sunak simultaneously and spontaneously saying enough's enough off their own backs, rather than them signalling the beginning of a coordinated rout - that's turned into a second missed bullet from the Tory leadership gun.
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Hence why Labour won't bring one. What is in it for Starmer (or any Labour leader)?Casino_Royale said:
But, if he lost it, although his government would resign that doesn't automatically trigger a GE.edmundintokyo said:
I mean, if Labour brought a confidence vote right now Boris would win it, no?Casino_Royale said:
In reality, he has (or had) the confidence of about 200 MPs or less than a third of the house.Scott_xP said:Final thought this evening - Rees-Mogg pushing the line that the PM “continues to command a majority of the House”. I mean, you could maybe just about get away with that if there hadn’t recently been a confidence vote in which on a best-case scenario the payroll voted to keep you
There’s a lot of Virtua Parly/green screen studio extrapolation in this tweet (with arm-waving), with added thought experiments - but I can’t work out how the PM can claim he commands a majority any longer
https://twitter.com/skynewsniall/status/1544413837071360002
It will be even less now.
There are others who can command confidence of the House.
Get rid of Johnson to face a better leader at the next General Election? They don't want that.0 -
Don’t tell me you’ve left it until the red light comes on before refuelling, again!Carnyx said:
How many kidneys do you have spare?Fairliered said:0 -
The Right Honourable Sir William Lee was Chancellor from 8 March 1754 to 6 April 1754 so a day less than Iain McLeod. He popped his clogs without warning.TheScreamingEagles said:
Iain Macleod was Chancellor for a month, from the 20th of June 1970 until the 20th of July 1970.DavidL said:
One of our historians will correct me if I am wrong but the shortest time as Chancellor I can think of is that of the Saj: 24 July 2019 – 13 February 2020. So by my reckoning 204 days is the target. I think he has less chance than the England test team has had of late.rottenborough said:Harry Cole
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Britain has a new Chancellor ... its Zahawi
It seems to have been a bad time for Chancellors - lots of short periods in office.
The Right Honourable William Murray 1st Earl of Mansfield had about 3 months.0 -
If Brady had letters from a majority of the Parliamentary party then he might give it a try, but even then Boris Johnson wouldn't give up. It's likely that he survives to lead the Tories into the next election regardless, so divided, weak and pitifully inept are his MPs; if the rebel faction tries to call his bluff and he wins a second confidence ballot by so much as a single vote, then the chances of his being turfed out plunge to almost nothing. Both sides know it.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Brady has the lettersHYUFD said:
Boris ain't going to resign, he has the hide of a Rhinoceraus combined with the stubborn temperament of Trump and Corbyn. He is already completing the reshuffle of the Cabinet to replace those lost.TheScreamingEagles said:I'm coming to the belief that the rebels have the 180 magic total, and it won't be further cabinet resignations that do for Boris Johnson but Sir Graham Brady having a chat.
Brady's chats won't make any difference, he doesn't know that over 50% of Tory MPs would VONC Boris anymore than Boris does and Boris has already survived one VONC
And so, the grumbling and grunting and tutting and howling will continue, but on the Government will limp, from one scandal to the next (with each making a progressively smaller impression on a public for whom they have grown so routine as to become background noise.) And there's no automatic reason to assume that Boris Johnson would lose the next GE, either. The Opposition is dull and unconvincing, house prices are still going up, and the well-to-do elderly core of the Tory vote are going to be shielded from the worst of the cost of living crisis by a combination of ad hoc benefit payouts and the triple lock.
The Conservatives' position in the country is far from lost. They are not that far behind Labour for any Government in mid-term, let alone the worst Government in living memory; a few trivial but highly publicised tax giveaways just before the election and a valuable bung for the grey vote (perhaps a system of more generous, year-round subsidies to replace the winter fuel payment) could easily see them safely over the finishing line with Johnson still in place.
I don't know, this is probably just my innate pessimism about the current state of affairs talking, but it looks to me as if the PM may even be safer in his post now than he was before. The people who are prepared to walk have gone and he's simply replaced them with more malleable successors and is carrying on regardless. If the cabinet is completely loyal and the remainder of the party is too divided, and therefore too confused and/or scared, to act, then how is the man meant to be removed? And he's only going if removed, so if his party won't do it then he is secure until the voters next get a say.2 -
edmundintokyo said:
I mean, if Labour brought a confidence vote right now Boris would win it, no?Casino_Royale said:
In reality, he has (or had) the confidence of about 200 MPs or less than a third of the house.Scott_xP said:Final thought this evening - Rees-Mogg pushing the line that the PM “continues to command a majority of the House”. I mean, you could maybe just about get away with that if there hadn’t recently been a confidence vote in which on a best-case scenario the payroll voted to keep you
There’s a lot of Virtua Parly/green screen studio extrapolation in this tweet (with arm-waving), with added thought experiments - but I can’t work out how the PM can claim he commands a majority any longer
https://twitter.com/skynewsniall/status/1544413837071360002
It will be even less now.
Bloody hell, @TSE! I thought you were going to bed!TheScreamingEagles said:NEW THREAD
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It certainly angered civil servants who found ministers who'd been in a their jobs as long as the generalist civil servants got the idea that they might know just as much as the civil servants.DavidL said:
Yes, one of the many things that the Coalition got right was leaving ministers in post long enough to actually learn their departments and address the problems. Probably helped by the job deal agreed at the start but it led to better government than the teamsheet approach of the later Blair and Brown administrations.darkage said:
It must be really difficult if you are a Minister deeply committed to a policy and with knowledge of the detail. Gove is a bit like this in DHLUC at the moment. You can see that he has got in to the detail of what he is working on almost to the same level as the civil servants who work for him. It must be hard to walk away from all that.DavidL said:Tricky one for Wallace given what is on his plate. I see the argument he should stay put but the logic of that is that he stays put as part of a functioning government. I don't think that that exists so how can he do his job? Where does the money come from without a Chancellor, the policy without a functioning cabinet, the leadership with Boris in office?
I think he should go now in the hope that the whole government is replaced by something bettter that can allow the UK to do what it can to help Ukraine in an effective way rather than by photo op.2
