Re cabinet not quitting. They may simply assume the game is up and they are best placed to fight for the leadership from cabinet. Patel, Raab, Truss probably all see themselves as potential 'cabinet agreed caretaker'
Patel won’t be re-appointed. She is unpopular, and only got the present job for culture-war style shits and giggles.
Raab is quite dim, and is likely caught in some headlights somewhere. He too will not survive Johnson.
Truss is a WTF. She had her chance and she’s blown it. She’ll be another casualty therefore.
We are going to see quite a lot of the fatberg dislodged, I think.
Patel will definitely make a comeback, probably in the same position. The next leader will need to get backing from the Tory right and keeping Patel in place deporting people to Rwanda guarantees that.
I'd honestly be shocked if whoever wins moves Patel out of post, only a promotion to Foreign Sec would be plausible IMO if they wanted a new Home Sec. No way she'll take a demotion and they will need her on side.
She's too much of a national security risk to be Foreign Secretary.
Maybe, but Patel is a survivor. I think her lack of leadership credentials is why it doesn't make a difference to her future if she resigned or not today.
I also don't buy letting Wallace off the hook, his resignation would precipitate a full on rebellion overnight and Boris will be removed by 9am. The Ukraine policy doesn't change either way. If Wallace wants the leadership he should resign tonight.
Assassins of PMs don't become Tory PMs as Heseltine discovered. It was the Thatcher loyalist Major who succeeded her
Just taken an 8 hour break from politics while visiting Wimbledon. What the hell's going on?
Not a lot. Some of us thought that 7 or 8 resignations would be enough to make Boris go, but what it will really take is either the SAS, Seal Team 6 or a large crowbar to prise his fingers off the desk.
We could always nuke No.10 from orbit. It's the only way to be sure......
No. 10 Downing Street. Never will you find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious!
I was wondering why all the middle-class liberals in Wimbledon seem to be in an especially good mood tonight. It wasn't just Cameron Norrie winning his match, it seems.
Re cabinet not quitting. They may simply assume the game is up and they are best placed to fight for the leadership from cabinet. Patel, Raab, Truss probably all see themselves as potential 'cabinet agreed caretaker'
Patel won’t be re-appointed. She is unpopular, and only got the present job for culture-war style shits and giggles.
Raab is quite dim, and is likely caught in some headlights somewhere. He too will not survive Johnson.
Truss is a WTF. She had her chance and she’s blown it. She’ll be another casualty therefore.
We are going to see quite a lot of the fatberg dislodged, I think.
Patel will definitely make a comeback, probably in the same position. The next leader will need to get backing from the Tory right and keeping Patel in place deporting people to Rwanda guarantees that.
I'd honestly be shocked if whoever wins moves Patel out of post, only a promotion to Foreign Sec would be plausible IMO if they wanted a new Home Sec. No way she'll take a demotion and they will need her on side.
She's too much of a national security risk to be Foreign Secretary.
Maybe, but Patel is a survivor. I think her lack of leadership credentials is why it doesn't make a difference to her future if she resigned or not today.
I also don't buy letting Wallace off the hook, his resignation would precipitate a full on rebellion overnight and Boris will be removed by 9am. The Ukraine policy doesn't change either way. If Wallace wants the leadership he should resign tonight.
Assassins of PMs don't become Tory PMs as Heseltine discovered. It was the Thatcher loyalist Major who succeeded her
Re cabinet not quitting. They may simply assume the game is up and they are best placed to fight for the leadership from cabinet. Patel, Raab, Truss probably all see themselves as potential 'cabinet agreed caretaker'
Patel won’t be re-appointed. She is unpopular, and only got the present job for culture-war style shits and giggles.
Raab is quite dim, and is likely caught in some headlights somewhere. He too will not survive Johnson.
Truss is a WTF. She had her chance and she’s blown it. She’ll be another casualty therefore.
We are going to see quite a lot of the fatberg dislodged, I think.
Patel will definitely make a comeback, probably in the same position. The next leader will need to get backing from the Tory right and keeping Patel in place deporting people to Rwanda guarantees that.
I'd honestly be shocked if whoever wins moves Patel out of post, only a promotion to Foreign Sec would be plausible IMO if they wanted a new Home Sec. No way she'll take a demotion and they will need her on side.
She's too much of a national security risk to be Foreign Secretary.
Maybe, but Patel is a survivor. I think her lack of leadership credentials is why it doesn't make a difference to her future if she resigned or not today.
I also don't buy letting Wallace off the hook, his resignation would precipitate a full on rebellion overnight and Boris will be removed by 9am. The Ukraine policy doesn't change either way. If Wallace wants the leadership he should resign tonight.
Assassins of PMs don't become Tory PMs as Heseltine discovered. It was the Thatcher loyalist Major who succeeded her
Johnson replaced May.
And that was the second consecutive Tory Prime Monister he'd knifed.
Even Widdecombe on BBC News is saying it is probably curtains.
RefUK wants him gone so they can pick up some of his voters!
I want him gone so the conservatives can regain the votes he is haemorrhaging
Dream on, my friend.
Your fate was sealed when you jumped from “If that lying clown becomes party leader I am leaving the party” to “I’m now backing that same lying clown for PM!”.
You made your bed…
I supported Johnson through Brexit, Covid and Ukraine but starting with Paterson through wallpapergate and partygate to the present debacle he has to go but of course Brexit for you is a trauma but for me is fine but does need work on it to improve it and is why I was surprised and pleased with Starmer's position on it
Heseltine has just said Brexit is the worst mistake any government has made in 70 years. A catastrophy. When told that Johnson going isn't going to change anything and even Labour now support Brexit he said "we have the Lib Dems"
Interesting from a Remaining Tory. Perhaps the Future could be Orange.
Well the Liberals (and recently the Lib-Dems) and the the Tories have always been interchangeable. The modern day Conservative Party is born out of various historic Tory, Whig and Liberal Party splits.
That's what people hankering for the "Progressive Alliance" that will keep the Conservatives out of power for the next 50 years don't get... Historically Con and Lib are much more likely bedfellows than Lib and Lab.
Hezza's deluded though if he thinks we're rejoining anytime soon...
Con and Lib are closer on fiscal issues generally, Lab and Lib are closer on social issues generally and now of course Brexit
I was wondering why all the middle-class liberals in Wimbledon seem to be in an especially good mood tonight. It wasn't just Cameron Norrie winning his match, it seems.
Public universities in Florida will be required to survey both faculty and students on their political beliefs and viewpoints, with the institutions at risk of losing their funding if the responses are not satisfactory to the state's Republican-led legislature.
The unprecedented project, which was tucked into a law signed Tuesday by Republican Gov. Ron DeSantis, is part of a long-running, nationwide right-wing push to promote "intellectual diversity" on campuses — though worries over a lack of details on the survey's privacy protections, and questions over what the results may ultimately be used for, hover over the venture.
Based on the bill's language, survey responses will not necessarily be anonymous — sparking worries among many professors and other university staff that they may be targeted, held back in their careers or even fired for their beliefs.
According to the bill's sponsor, state Sen. Ray Rodrigues, faculty will not be promoted or fired based on their responses, but, as The Tampa Bay Times reported Tuesday, the bill itself does not back up those claims.
I was wondering why all the middle-class liberals in Wimbledon seem to be in an especially good mood tonight. It wasn't just Cameron Norrie winning his match, it seems.
How do you know they all middle-class liberals?
Are you projecting again?
They're all woke lefties.
Oh no, they used to be true blue Tories, no longer wanted by this Tory Party.
Public universities in Florida will be required to survey both faculty and students on their political beliefs and viewpoints, with the institutions at risk of losing their funding if the responses are not satisfactory to the state's Republican-led legislature.
The unprecedented project, which was tucked into a law signed Tuesday by Republican Gov. Ron DeSantis, is part of a long-running, nationwide right-wing push to promote "intellectual diversity" on campuses — though worries over a lack of details on the survey's privacy protections, and questions over what the results may ultimately be used for, hover over the venture.
Based on the bill's language, survey responses will not necessarily be anonymous — sparking worries among many professors and other university staff that they may be targeted, held back in their careers or even fired for their beliefs.
According to the bill's sponsor, state Sen. Ray Rodrigues, faculty will not be promoted or fired based on their responses, but, as The Tampa Bay Times reported Tuesday, the bill itself does not back up those claims.
No. Completely justified. The horrendous onethink on American campuses has to be challenged. They are 99% Democrat and 98% Woke, yet the rest of America really is not, and this gulf is bad for any country
Your arse must be jealous about the shite that comes out of your mouth.
Sajid has resigned TWICE now from a Boris Government and there was obvious collusion with Rishi. Neither got on with Boris. My shuffle suggestion: Nadhim for Chancellor, Nadine for Health Secretary.
Public universities in Florida will be required to survey both faculty and students on their political beliefs and viewpoints, with the institutions at risk of losing their funding if the responses are not satisfactory to the state's Republican-led legislature.
The unprecedented project, which was tucked into a law signed Tuesday by Republican Gov. Ron DeSantis, is part of a long-running, nationwide right-wing push to promote "intellectual diversity" on campuses — though worries over a lack of details on the survey's privacy protections, and questions over what the results may ultimately be used for, hover over the venture.
Based on the bill's language, survey responses will not necessarily be anonymous — sparking worries among many professors and other university staff that they may be targeted, held back in their careers or even fired for their beliefs.
According to the bill's sponsor, state Sen. Ray Rodrigues, faculty will not be promoted or fired based on their responses, but, as The Tampa Bay Times reported Tuesday, the bill itself does not back up those claims.
NEW: Boris Johnson has just concluded a meeting of his core team in which he has decided to replace Sunak and Javid -- possibly tonight -- in an attempt to ride out the storm
Except it'll probably work. Are enough of the backbenchers who were willing to vote to keep him before the Chris Pincher business going to change their minds and bring him down now?
All these people knew Johnson was a grossly incompetent. mendacious, narcissistic, sociopathic shit a month ago. What, fundamentally, has changed since then?
Twitter euan mccolm@euanmccolm·56m anyone had a press release from the snp about the decision of senior tories to resign over the handling of complaints against a sexual harasser? @murrayf00te
Ian Smart@ianssmart·32m Where is the Scottish Press tonight? Potentially Johnson gone by tomorrow over Pincher and yet Sturgeon over Grady? Shrugs. Yet the worst allegation against Johnson is that he’s known about Pincher since 2019. Sturgeon has known about Grady since 2016.
Twitter Ian Smart@ianssmart·20m Just so you haven’t missed it, as Johnson teeters over Pincher, Sturgeon remains unwilling to say whether Grady would be welcomed back in to the SNP. And offered an absolutely open goal the Scottish Press seem to have gone home for the night.
David Clegg@davieclegg·2m Imagine if Boris Johnson goes over not doing anything about sexual harassment. The SNP would have to take a strange vow of silence.
This is a disaster for the tory party. Had they of acted months ago they could potentially have won the next General Election. I know that there's a theoretically long time until that happens (whatever CHB hopes ) but they are reaching the stage where the brand is now so tarnished that they can't recover without a lengthy wander in the wilderness.
HY is right about one thing. This is not the build up to 1992. It's the build up to 1997.
BREAKING Steve Barclay is the new Health Secretary
Good appointment, a hard worker
So no chief of staff. Handy right now...
Slightly unfortunate, but appropriate, wording for the qualification to fill the vacancy given the personnel selection policies manifest of recent years.
Can we finally agree that whatever else it does, Eton does not turn out geniuses or superbly educated, mentally versatile people fit to run the country?
Re cabinet not quitting. They may simply assume the game is up and they are best placed to fight for the leadership from cabinet. Patel, Raab, Truss probably all see themselves as potential 'cabinet agreed caretaker'
Patel won’t be re-appointed. She is unpopular, and only got the present job for culture-war style shits and giggles.
Raab is quite dim, and is likely caught in some headlights somewhere. He too will not survive Johnson.
Truss is a WTF. She had her chance and she’s blown it. She’ll be another casualty therefore.
We are going to see quite a lot of the fatberg dislodged, I think.
Patel will definitely make a comeback, probably in the same position. The next leader will need to get backing from the Tory right and keeping Patel in place deporting people to Rwanda guarantees that.
I'd honestly be shocked if whoever wins moves Patel out of post, only a promotion to Foreign Sec would be plausible IMO if they wanted a new Home Sec. No way she'll take a demotion and they will need her on side.
She's too much of a national security risk to be Foreign Secretary.
Maybe, but Patel is a survivor. I think her lack of leadership credentials is why it doesn't make a difference to her future if she resigned or not today.
I also don't buy letting Wallace off the hook, his resignation would precipitate a full on rebellion overnight and Boris will be removed by 9am. The Ukraine policy doesn't change either way. If Wallace wants the leadership he should resign tonight.
Assassins of PMs don't become Tory PMs as Heseltine discovered. It was the Thatcher loyalist Major who succeeded her
Johnson replaced May.
And that was the second consecutive Tory Prime Monister he'd knifed.
Johnson didn't assassinate May, May resigned after the disastrous 2019 local elections not because Johnson resigned over Brexit the year before on a point of principle
Remember golden days of yore, when PBers fulminated at the indecency of referring to the PM as BoJo?
I remember the golden days when a goodly proportion of PB Tories thought Boris was their saviour.
They are pretending that nobody remembers.
But he was the saviour of the Tory party - and the country. He got Brexit done, by winning a large majority, and if that had not happened the Tories would have descended into terrible internal warfare - as the whole country went on to an absolutely catastrophic 2nd referendum. Just try and imagine how that would have gone, as it was boycotted by millions of Leavers (like me). There you go. What do you do after that? After a botched 2nd vote with half the voters not showing up? That’s the end of British democracy
So many 2nd voters - such as Keir Starmer - like to pretend this would not have happened. Those Remainers that do now belatedly realise this want us to conveniently forget all about their demands for a 2nd referendum. Utter Wankers
However, the good that Boris did then is now seriously outweighed by his many flaws and unforced errors. He has to go
"got Brexit done". Must tell my Belfast chum that.
I was wondering why all the middle-class liberals in Wimbledon seem to be in an especially good mood tonight. It wasn't just Cameron Norrie winning his match, it seems.
Public universities in Florida will be required to survey both faculty and students on their political beliefs and viewpoints, with the institutions at risk of losing their funding if the responses are not satisfactory to the state's Republican-led legislature.
The unprecedented project, which was tucked into a law signed Tuesday by Republican Gov. Ron DeSantis, is part of a long-running, nationwide right-wing push to promote "intellectual diversity" on campuses — though worries over a lack of details on the survey's privacy protections, and questions over what the results may ultimately be used for, hover over the venture.
Based on the bill's language, survey responses will not necessarily be anonymous — sparking worries among many professors and other university staff that they may be targeted, held back in their careers or even fired for their beliefs.
According to the bill's sponsor, state Sen. Ray Rodrigues, faculty will not be promoted or fired based on their responses, but, as The Tampa Bay Times reported Tuesday, the bill itself does not back up those claims.
No. Completely justified. The horrendous onethink on American campuses has to be challenged. They are 99% Democrat and 98% Woke, yet the rest of America really is not, and this gulf is bad for any country
Liberty University says "Hi!" And Oral Roberts U says "Howdy!"
U of Notre Dame says "Don't woke one for the Trumper!"
Re cabinet not quitting. They may simply assume the game is up and they are best placed to fight for the leadership from cabinet. Patel, Raab, Truss probably all see themselves as potential 'cabinet agreed caretaker'
Patel won’t be re-appointed. She is unpopular, and only got the present job for culture-war style shits and giggles.
Raab is quite dim, and is likely caught in some headlights somewhere. He too will not survive Johnson.
Truss is a WTF. She had her chance and she’s blown it. She’ll be another casualty therefore.
We are going to see quite a lot of the fatberg dislodged, I think.
Patel will definitely make a comeback, probably in the same position. The next leader will need to get backing from the Tory right and keeping Patel in place deporting people to Rwanda guarantees that.
I'd honestly be shocked if whoever wins moves Patel out of post, only a promotion to Foreign Sec would be plausible IMO if they wanted a new Home Sec. No way she'll take a demotion and they will need her on side.
She's too much of a national security risk to be Foreign Secretary.
Maybe, but Patel is a survivor. I think her lack of leadership credentials is why it doesn't make a difference to her future if she resigned or not today.
I also don't buy letting Wallace off the hook, his resignation would precipitate a full on rebellion overnight and Boris will be removed by 9am. The Ukraine policy doesn't change either way. If Wallace wants the leadership he should resign tonight.
Assassins of PMs don't become Tory PMs as Heseltine discovered. It was the Thatcher loyalist Major who succeeded her
Johnson replaced May.
And that was the second consecutive Tory Prime Monister he'd knifed.
Johnson didn't assassinate Thatcher, May resigned after the disastrous 2019 local elections not because Johnson resigned over Brexit the year before on a point of principle
Er...what's the relevance of Thatcher? I was thinking of Cameron.
And if you think Johnson had nothing to do with May's downfall, I have a bridge to sell you. Heseltine resigned a full five years before he toppled Thatcher, doesn't mean he was innocent of it.
No because at this point we need to remember that Boris appointed a lot of high-profile BAME and lady ministers to shield him from accusations of racism and sexism (all the letterboxes and so on). I'd bet against Barclay and possibly Truss on those grounds.
Can we finally agree that whatever else it does, Eton does not turn out geniuses or superbly educated, mentally versatile people fit to run the country?
It turned out Rory Stewart, David Cameron, Macmillan, Gladstone and Douglas Hurd and Prince William and Justin Welby as much as Boris and Rees Mogg and Jeremy Thorpe
Just taken an 8 hour break from politics while visiting Wimbledon. What the hell's going on?
Zimbabwe bringing back gold coins. Maybe the UK should do too.
1oz gold coins! Crazy - are they not going to do smaller sizes? We at least have Britannias in 1oz / 0.5oz / 0.25oz / 0.1oz sizes, and Sovereigns in Full / Half / Quarter sizes.
Remember golden days of yore, when PBers fulminated at the indecency of referring to the PM as BoJo?
I remember the golden days when a goodly proportion of PB Tories thought Boris was their saviour.
They are pretending that nobody remembers.
But he was the saviour of the Tory party - and the country. He got Brexit done, by winning a large majority, and if that had not happened the Tories would have descended into terrible internal warfare - as the whole country went on to an absolutely catastrophic 2nd referendum. Just try and imagine how that would have gone, as it was boycotted by millions of Leavers (like me). There you go. What do you do after that? After a botched 2nd vote with half the voters not showing up? That’s the end of British democracy
So many 2nd voters - such as Keir Starmer - like to pretend this would not have happened. Those Remainers that do now belatedly realise this want us to conveniently forget all about their demands for a 2nd referendum. Utter Wankers
However, the good that Boris did then is now seriously outweighed by his many flaws and unforced errors. He has to go
"got Brexit done". Must tell my Belfast chum that.
Public universities in Florida will be required to survey both faculty and students on their political beliefs and viewpoints, with the institutions at risk of losing their funding if the responses are not satisfactory to the state's Republican-led legislature.
The unprecedented project, which was tucked into a law signed Tuesday by Republican Gov. Ron DeSantis, is part of a long-running, nationwide right-wing push to promote "intellectual diversity" on campuses — though worries over a lack of details on the survey's privacy protections, and questions over what the results may ultimately be used for, hover over the venture.
Based on the bill's language, survey responses will not necessarily be anonymous — sparking worries among many professors and other university staff that they may be targeted, held back in their careers or even fired for their beliefs.
According to the bill's sponsor, state Sen. Ray Rodrigues, faculty will not be promoted or fired based on their responses, but, as The Tampa Bay Times reported Tuesday, the bill itself does not back up those claims.
No. Completely justified. The horrendous onethink on American campuses has to be challenged. They are 99% Democrat and 98% Woke, yet the rest of America really is not, and this gulf is bad for any country
Liberty University says "Hi!" And Oral Roberts U says "Howdy!"
U of Notre Dame says "Don't woke one for the Trumper!"
If it was anyone else I would assume they were now just trolling the electorate but I doubt Cream-Crackers even knows what the word means. What an advert for the current Tory Party that man is. They really do have a death-wish at the moment
Can we finally agree that whatever else it does, Eton does not turn out geniuses or superbly educated, mentally versatile people fit to run the country?
It seems the country keeps investing in the wrong type of PPE.
Remember golden days of yore, when PBers fulminated at the indecency of referring to the PM as BoJo?
I remember the golden days when a goodly proportion of PB Tories thought Boris was their saviour.
They are pretending that nobody remembers.
But he was the saviour of the Tory party - and the country. He got Brexit done, by winning a large majority, and if that had not happened the Tories would have descended into terrible internal warfare - as the whole country went on to an absolutely catastrophic 2nd referendum. Just try and imagine how that would have gone, as it was boycotted by millions of Leavers (like me). There you go. What do you do after that? After a botched 2nd vote with half the voters not showing up? That’s the end of British democracy
So many 2nd voters - such as Keir Starmer - like to pretend this would not have happened. Those Remainers that do now belatedly realise this want us to conveniently forget all about their demands for a 2nd referendum. Utter Wankers
However, the good that Boris did then is now seriously outweighed by his many flaws and unforced errors. He has to go
"got Brexit done". Must tell my Belfast chum that.
Can we finally agree that whatever else it does, Eton does not turn out geniuses or superbly educated, mentally versatile people fit to run the country?
It turned out Rory Stewart, David Cameron, Macmillan, Gladstone and Douglas Hurd and Prince William and Justin Welby as much as Boris and Rees Mogg and Jeremy Thorpe
No because at this point we need to remember that Boris appointed a lot of high-profile BAME and lady ministers to shield him from accusations of racism and sexism (all the letterboxes and so on). I'd bet against Barclay and possibly Truss on those grounds.
That aged badly as it turns out Barclay had already been appointed when I wrote it.
Re cabinet not quitting. They may simply assume the game is up and they are best placed to fight for the leadership from cabinet. Patel, Raab, Truss probably all see themselves as potential 'cabinet agreed caretaker'
Patel won’t be re-appointed. She is unpopular, and only got the present job for culture-war style shits and giggles.
Raab is quite dim, and is likely caught in some headlights somewhere. He too will not survive Johnson.
Truss is a WTF. She had her chance and she’s blown it. She’ll be another casualty therefore.
We are going to see quite a lot of the fatberg dislodged, I think.
Patel will definitely make a comeback, probably in the same position. The next leader will need to get backing from the Tory right and keeping Patel in place deporting people to Rwanda guarantees that.
I'd honestly be shocked if whoever wins moves Patel out of post, only a promotion to Foreign Sec would be plausible IMO if they wanted a new Home Sec. No way she'll take a demotion and they will need her on side.
She's too much of a national security risk to be Foreign Secretary.
Maybe, but Patel is a survivor. I think her lack of leadership credentials is why it doesn't make a difference to her future if she resigned or not today.
I also don't buy letting Wallace off the hook, his resignation would precipitate a full on rebellion overnight and Boris will be removed by 9am. The Ukraine policy doesn't change either way. If Wallace wants the leadership he should resign tonight.
Assassins of PMs don't become Tory PMs as Heseltine discovered. It was the Thatcher loyalist Major who succeeded her
Johnson replaced May.
And that was the second consecutive Tory Prime Monister he'd knifed.
Johnson didn't assassinate Thatcher, May resigned after the disastrous 2019 local elections not because Johnson resigned over Brexit the year before on a point of principle
Er...what's the relevance of Thatcher? I was thinking of Cameron.
And if you think Johnson had nothing to do with May's downfall, I have a bridge to sell you. Heseltine resigned a full five years before he toppled Thatcher, doesn't mean he was innocent of it.
Heseltine stood against Thatcher for the leadership.
Sunak has not resigned over any major policy issue I can see as Johnson resigned over Brexit
Public universities in Florida will be required to survey both faculty and students on their political beliefs and viewpoints, with the institutions at risk of losing their funding if the responses are not satisfactory to the state's Republican-led legislature.
The unprecedented project, which was tucked into a law signed Tuesday by Republican Gov. Ron DeSantis, is part of a long-running, nationwide right-wing push to promote "intellectual diversity" on campuses — though worries over a lack of details on the survey's privacy protections, and questions over what the results may ultimately be used for, hover over the venture.
Based on the bill's language, survey responses will not necessarily be anonymous — sparking worries among many professors and other university staff that they may be targeted, held back in their careers or even fired for their beliefs.
According to the bill's sponsor, state Sen. Ray Rodrigues, faculty will not be promoted or fired based on their responses, but, as The Tampa Bay Times reported Tuesday, the bill itself does not back up those claims.
No. Completely justified. The horrendous onethink on American campuses has to be challenged. They are 99% Democrat and 98% Woke, yet the rest of America really is not, and this gulf is bad for any country
Liberty University says "Hi!" And Oral Roberts U says "Howdy!"
U of Notre Dame says "Don't woke one for the Trumper!"
Remember golden days of yore, when PBers fulminated at the indecency of referring to the PM as BoJo?
I remember the golden days when a goodly proportion of PB Tories thought Boris was their saviour.
They are pretending that nobody remembers.
But he was the saviour of the Tory party - and the country. He got Brexit done, by winning a large majority, and if that had not happened the Tories would have descended into terrible internal warfare - as the whole country went on to an absolutely catastrophic 2nd referendum. Just try and imagine how that would have gone, as it was boycotted by millions of Leavers (like me). There you go. What do you do after that? After a botched 2nd vote with half the voters not showing up? That’s the end of British democracy
So many 2nd voters - such as Keir Starmer - like to pretend this would not have happened. Those Remainers that do now belatedly realise this want us to conveniently forget all about their demands for a 2nd referendum. Utter Wankers
However, the good that Boris did then is now seriously outweighed by his many flaws and unforced errors. He has to go
"got Brexit done". Must tell my Belfast chum that.
He did get it done.
And, now, there's no use for him anymore.
This. 💯
I can never Understand the desperation of PBTories to claim that Brexit is done, with NI an unresolved running sore which is left both in and out of the UK/EU, a full *FIVE YEARS* AFTER THE VOTE, AND MORE YEARS SINCE IT WAS FLAGGED UP AS AN ISSUE.
Casting Mr Johnson out into the wilderness won't get rid of that original Brexiter sin.
Re cabinet not quitting. They may simply assume the game is up and they are best placed to fight for the leadership from cabinet. Patel, Raab, Truss probably all see themselves as potential 'cabinet agreed caretaker'
Patel won’t be re-appointed. She is unpopular, and only got the present job for culture-war style shits and giggles.
Raab is quite dim, and is likely caught in some headlights somewhere. He too will not survive Johnson.
Truss is a WTF. She had her chance and she’s blown it. She’ll be another casualty therefore.
We are going to see quite a lot of the fatberg dislodged, I think.
Patel will definitely make a comeback, probably in the same position. The next leader will need to get backing from the Tory right and keeping Patel in place deporting people to Rwanda guarantees that.
I'd honestly be shocked if whoever wins moves Patel out of post, only a promotion to Foreign Sec would be plausible IMO if they wanted a new Home Sec. No way she'll take a demotion and they will need her on side.
She's too much of a national security risk to be Foreign Secretary.
Maybe, but Patel is a survivor. I think her lack of leadership credentials is why it doesn't make a difference to her future if she resigned or not today.
I also don't buy letting Wallace off the hook, his resignation would precipitate a full on rebellion overnight and Boris will be removed by 9am. The Ukraine policy doesn't change either way. If Wallace wants the leadership he should resign tonight.
Assassins of PMs don't become Tory PMs as Heseltine discovered. It was the Thatcher loyalist Major who succeeded her
Johnson replaced May.
And that was the second consecutive Tory Prime Monister he'd knifed.
Johnson didn't assassinate Thatcher, May resigned after the disastrous 2019 local elections not because Johnson resigned over Brexit the year before on a point of principle
Er...what's the relevance of Thatcher? I was thinking of Cameron.
And if you think Johnson had nothing to do with May's downfall, I have a bridge to sell you. Heseltine resigned a full five years before he toppled Thatcher, doesn't mean he was innocent of it.
Heseltine stood against Thatcher for the leadership.
Sunak has not resigned over any major policy issue I can see as Johnson resigned over Brexit
Then you aren't looking very hard.
I still do not understand your reference to Thatcher in the context of Johnson.
Remember golden days of yore, when PBers fulminated at the indecency of referring to the PM as BoJo?
I remember the golden days when a goodly proportion of PB Tories thought Boris was their saviour.
They are pretending that nobody remembers.
But he was the saviour of the Tory party - and the country. He got Brexit done, by winning a large majority, and if that had not happened the Tories would have descended into terrible internal warfare - as the whole country went on to an absolutely catastrophic 2nd referendum. Just try and imagine how that would have gone, as it was boycotted by millions of Leavers (like me). There you go. What do you do after that? After a botched 2nd vote with half the voters not showing up? That’s the end of British democracy
So many 2nd voters - such as Keir Starmer - like to pretend this would not have happened. Those Remainers that do now belatedly realise this want us to conveniently forget all about their demands for a 2nd referendum. Utter Wankers
However, the good that Boris did then is now seriously outweighed by his many flaws and unforced errors. He has to go
"got Brexit done". Must tell my Belfast chum that.
He did get it done.
And, now, there's no use for him anymore.
This. 💯
I can never Understand the desperation of PBTories to claim that Brexit is done, with NI an unresolved running sore which is left both in and out of the UK/EU, a full *FIVE YEARS* AFTER THE VOTE, AND MORE YEARS SINCE IT WAS FLAGGED UP AS AN ISSUE.
Casting Mr Johnson out into the wilderness won't get rid of that original Brexiter sin.
NI has been a running sore my entire life, and for decades before I was born too.
This country will always have running sores. Always has done, always will do. But Brexit is done.
Genuinely Johnson will call an election to get rid of people plotting, his only way out. Nailed on IMHO
You keep harping on about this but Boris loses his seat, there's no way he will call an election.
It's that or lose PM, it is all about Johnson. GE this year.
No, he's out either way then. He'll cling on as long as he can by just not resigning.
Don't agree. I stick with my prediction.
It's hopecasting, not a prediction. Boris losing his seat will be a humiliation, if he gets deposed tomorrow or in a few months and the Tories still lose in 2024 then he is "vindicated".
His only tactic is to just hold on and hope for the best that the news narrative moves on quickly.
Can we finally agree that whatever else it does, Eton does not turn out geniuses or superbly educated, mentally versatile people fit to run the country?
It turned out Rory Stewart, David Cameron, Macmillan, Gladstone and Douglas Hurd and Prince William and Justin Welby as much as Boris and Rees Mogg and Jeremy Thorpe
You prove my point, although Gladstone was from a very different era.
The resignations were unlikely to see Boris just wave the white flag, what they are meant to be is a signal to the 1922 that things have moved on.
This may need a full process again.
The 1922 see the lay of the land and open up the process again (or modify the rules more permanently).
Brady may say that time is up, but Boris may well not heed the grey suit routine and say, show me
Let's jump ahead to the VoNC itself. 32 MPs net need to turn against in the last few weeks. The backbench were heavily against him, so possibly only a small number of movers there. He won on the back of the payroll, and plenty are staying on. I expected that dam to burst in the last secret ballot, but it didn't, so again I suspect only a few movers.
Perhaps, Boris thinks, a few posts for persuadable rebels might rebalance the numbers. Another 32 is a non trivial ask, even in the middle of chicken licken times.
And so, back to the 54 letters. Will every contributer last time jump again this time, knowing only a few weeks have passed. If you don't think you have the 32 movers, if you believe in the rules of the game, maybe you don't, maybe you hold on. Others may jump in your place, but is it a given?
It could happen quickly, but the whole process will have to happen and it could falter at each stage
And if Boris wins a second VONC, the third will feel like a much higher bar to meet.
Brings back memories of winter afternoons doing that sort of thing as a quid pro quo of sailing in a family friend's Dragon on the Forth in the summer. Interesting to see how they do it now. Wonder what the political equivalent of antifouling paint is?
Remember golden days of yore, when PBers fulminated at the indecency of referring to the PM as BoJo?
I remember the golden days when a goodly proportion of PB Tories thought Boris was their saviour.
They are pretending that nobody remembers.
But he was the saviour of the Tory party - and the country. He got Brexit done, by winning a large majority, and if that had not happened the Tories would have descended into terrible internal warfare - as the whole country went on to an absolutely catastrophic 2nd referendum. Just try and imagine how that would have gone, as it was boycotted by millions of Leavers (like me). There you go. What do you do after that? After a botched 2nd vote with half the voters not showing up? That’s the end of British democracy
So many 2nd voters - such as Keir Starmer - like to pretend this would not have happened. Those Remainers that do now belatedly realise this want us to conveniently forget all about their demands for a 2nd referendum. Utter Wankers
However, the good that Boris did then is now seriously outweighed by his many flaws and unforced errors. He has to go
"got Brexit done". Must tell my Belfast chum that.
He did get it done.
And, now, there's no use for him anymore.
This. 💯
I can never Understand the desperation of PBTories to claim that Brexit is done, with NI an unresolved running sore which is left both in and out of the UK/EU, a full *FIVE YEARS* AFTER THE VOTE, AND MORE YEARS SINCE IT WAS FLAGGED UP AS AN ISSUE.
Casting Mr Johnson out into the wilderness won't get rid of that original Brexiter sin.
NI has been a running sore my entire life, and for decades before I was born too.
This country will always have running sores. Always has done, always will do. But Brexit is done.
What we're dealing with now is post-Brexit.
Re: Northern Ireland, your Prime Minister took a very slowly healing sore - and ripped the bandage off.
If there's a purga-Tory, Boris Johnson deserves a front-row seat by the fire for a LOOOOOOOOONG time.
Genuinely Johnson will call an election to get rid of people plotting, his only way out. Nailed on IMHO
You keep harping on about this but Boris loses his seat, there's no way he will call an election.
It's that or lose PM, it is all about Johnson. GE this year.
No, he's out either way then. He'll cling on as long as he can by just not resigning.
Don't agree. I stick with my prediction.
It's hopecasting, not a prediction. Boris losing his seat will be a humiliation, if he gets deposed tomorrow or in a few months and the Tories still lose in 2024 then he is "vindicated".
His only tactic is to just hold on and hope for the best that the news narrative moves on quickly.
No it isn't, it's a genuine prediction in good faith.
He has nothing to lose, he calls an election and wins and he's still PM or he gets kicked out.
Remember golden days of yore, when PBers fulminated at the indecency of referring to the PM as BoJo?
I remember the golden days when a goodly proportion of PB Tories thought Boris was their saviour.
They are pretending that nobody remembers.
But he was the saviour of the Tory party - and the country. He got Brexit done, by winning a large majority, and if that had not happened the Tories would have descended into terrible internal warfare - as the whole country went on to an absolutely catastrophic 2nd referendum. Just try and imagine how that would have gone, as it was boycotted by millions of Leavers (like me). There you go. What do you do after that? After a botched 2nd vote with half the voters not showing up? That’s the end of British democracy
So many 2nd voters - such as Keir Starmer - like to pretend this would not have happened. Those Remainers that do now belatedly realise this want us to conveniently forget all about their demands for a 2nd referendum. Utter Wankers
However, the good that Boris did then is now seriously outweighed by his many flaws and unforced errors. He has to go
"got Brexit done". Must tell my Belfast chum that.
He did get it done.
And, now, there's no use for him anymore.
Not if you live in NI, or care about the economy
His mistake is reopening it.
He should have done the deal with the EU on the NI mitigation and got on with regulatory reform.
Genuinely Johnson will call an election to get rid of people plotting, his only way out. Nailed on IMHO
That would violate all three Lascelles principles.
Denying one could be Her Maj's finest hour.
She'll do whatever her PM tells her to do, just look at her granting the 2019 prorogation.
What's thew point of royalty (except to protect us from RCs, according to some on PB)? Will be very interesting to see what happens.
It's to be a figurehead. If people are arguing that they actually want the Queen to overrule the PM, I don't believe them unless they are an uber-monarchist. It makes zero sense otherwise.
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Piers was saying what a warrior Macy Gray was yesterday, he's gutted he misquoted her and he will now cancel her himself
And that was the second consecutive Tory Prime Monister he'd knifed.
Are you projecting again?
Oh no, they used to be true blue Tories, no longer wanted by this Tory Party.
My shuffle suggestion: Nadhim for Chancellor, Nadine for Health Secretary.
ROFL HE APPOINTED THEM
Mogg?
All these people knew Johnson was a grossly incompetent. mendacious, narcissistic, sociopathic shit a month ago. What, fundamentally, has changed since then?
https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1544408329782435842?s=20&t=WWU23dSWNsl9FnBHguKt8g
Ian Smart@ianssmart·20m
Just so you haven’t missed it, as Johnson teeters over Pincher, Sturgeon remains unwilling to say whether Grady would be welcomed back in to the SNP. And offered an absolutely open goal the Scottish Press seem to have gone home for the night.
STV News@STVNews
SNP Westminster leader Ian Blackford dodged a question on whether Patrick Grady could be readmitted to the party. https://i.stv.tv/3NYB2gF
https://twitter.com/STVNews/status/1544341242653605888
David Clegg@davieclegg·2m
Imagine if Boris Johnson goes over not doing anything about sexual harassment. The SNP would have to take a strange vow of silence.
HY is right about one thing. This is not the build up to 1992. It's the build up to 1997.
Sterling will tank in the morning if there's no Chancellor.
And, now, there's no use for him anymore.
U of Notre Dame says "Don't woke one for the Trumper!"
Wharton School of U of Pennsylvania says "Sorry!"
And if you think Johnson had nothing to do with May's downfall, I have a bridge to sell you. Heseltine resigned a full five years before he toppled Thatcher, doesn't mean he was innocent of it.
Denying one could be Her Maj's finest hour.
Ken Clarke, Denis Healey, Roy Mason et al.
I vomited last time.
Sunak has not resigned over any major policy issue I can see as Johnson resigned over Brexit
https://www.boats.net/blog/boat-hull-barnacle-removal-tips
“I can no longer, in good conscience, live with this Prime Minister. Either he goes, or I do”
Casting Mr Johnson out into the wilderness won't get rid of that original Brexiter sin.
I still do not understand your reference to Thatcher in the context of Johnson.
This country will always have running sores. Always has done, always will do. But Brexit is done.
What we're dealing with now is post-Brexit.
His only tactic is to just hold on and hope for the best that the news narrative moves on quickly.
The only "loyal" PB Tory left on this site is HYUFD. You need at least two to make Tories, plural.
Stand off in No10.
Boris wants Liz Truss to become Chancellor.
But Nadhim Zahawi says he will quit if he isn't moved from Education to No11.
https://twitter.com/thejonnyreilly/status/1544410985007562759
If some people in the tory party found a spine she would refuse.
The key thing for her Maj is not to be appear political. Always be neutral unless the foundation of the constitution is at stake.
“England had played 1,051 Tests before this one. They’d made more than 325 to win in the fourth innings in exactly two of them.”
In the game that finished today, they scored 378
It’s not just record-breaking, it’s like Bob Beamon’s long jump in Mexico in 1968
The resignations were unlikely to see Boris just wave the white flag, what they are meant to be is a signal to the 1922 that things have moved on.
This may need a full process again.
The 1922 see the lay of the land and open up the process again (or modify the rules more permanently).
Brady may say that time is up, but Boris may well not heed the grey suit routine and say, show me
Let's jump ahead to the VoNC itself. 32 MPs net need to turn against in the last few weeks. The backbench were heavily against him, so possibly only a small number of movers there. He won on the back of the payroll, and plenty are staying on. I expected that dam to burst in the last secret ballot, but it didn't, so again I suspect only a few movers.
Perhaps, Boris thinks, a few posts for persuadable rebels might rebalance the numbers. Another 32 is a non trivial ask, even in the middle of chicken licken times.
And so, back to the 54 letters. Will every contributer last time jump again this time, knowing only a few weeks have passed. If you don't think you have the 32 movers, if you believe in the rules of the game, maybe you don't, maybe you hold on. Others may jump in your place, but is it a given?
It could happen quickly, but the whole process will have to happen and it could falter at each stage
And if Boris wins a second VONC, the third will feel like a much higher bar to meet.
If there's a purga-Tory, Boris Johnson deserves a front-row seat by the fire for a LOOOOOOOOONG time.
He has nothing to lose, he calls an election and wins and he's still PM or he gets kicked out.
I stick by it, have a good evening Max
He should have done the deal with the EU on the NI mitigation and got on with regulatory reform.
He's also got a near 80 seat majority, she'll grant a dissolution.
John Smith is number one.