The cabinet are revolting as they prepare to get their Johnson out. – politicalbetting.com
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I will always remain loyal to my constituents and the Conservative Party. Tonight I’ve made the tough decision to resign as a PPS. https://twitter.com/Nicola4WBE/status/1544402731770716163/photo/11
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Boris as PM and Mini-Boris as CoE.wooliedyed said:
Truss is the rumourGIN1138 said:
Ooo wonder if we might get our first lady CotE... Stand by you phone Nadine...TheScreamingEagles said:NEW: Boris Johnson has just concluded a meeting of his core team in which he has decided to replace Sunak and Javid -- possibly tonight -- in an attempt to ride out the storm
https://twitter.com/kitty_donaldson/status/1544402133029617667
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They are deluded then.wooliedyed said:Re cabinet not quitting. They may simply assume the game is up and they are best placed to fight for the leadership from cabinet. Patel, Raab, Truss probably all see themselves as potential 'cabinet agreed caretaker'
The clear precedent is the Queen will agree to a caretaker who is not running to be leader.
Raab is automatic if he doesn't run although the whole deputy thing is terribly new and not in any constitution stuff basically.
Now - would the Queen go against a load of Cabinet saying we want Patel to be caretaker (as a random example)? Probably not but it is all very awkward. The Queen will want a caretaker who is not running so there is no doubt that she was neutral in any appointment.
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The Jani-tory Party?dixiedean said:
Caretaker is about their level.wooliedyed said:Re cabinet not quitting. They may simply assume the game is up and they are best placed to fight for the leadership from cabinet. Patel, Raab, Truss probably all see themselves as potential 'cabinet agreed caretaker'
Not sure I'd trust them to mop the floors properly, mind.3 -
Tut. Almost as appalling as the chap who asked for a G&T in the Pump Room at Bath, to some people's minds. Though I know you don't mean it.Beibheirli_C said:
He used to run Bomber Command IIRCNorthern_Al said:Oliver Dowden must be really pissed off that his principled resignation, less than a fortnight ago, has been consigned to the dustbin of history so quickly.
"Who's he?", the masses asked.
*Fighter* Command, Battle of Britain, Lancasters going Tally-Ho and shooting down Focke-Wulfs over Biggin Hill, you know, the entire Brexiter mythos.
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Probably the first thing she'll do is halve the Sovereign Grant and sell off Buck House!TheScreamingEagles said:Reshuffle latest:
Hearing that Steve Barclay could replace Sajid Javid as health secretary. Source tells me this is likely
There's also discussions in No 10 about Liz Truss as the new chancellor but nothing firm on that front yet
https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1544400487180603399
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It must be really difficult if you are a Minister deeply committed to a policy and with knowledge of the detail. Gove is a bit like this in DHLUC at the moment. You can see that he has got in to the detail of what he is working on almost to the same level as the civil servants who work for him. It must be hard to walk away from all that.DavidL said:Tricky one for Wallace given what is on his plate. I see the argument he should stay put but the logic of that is that he stays put as part of a functioning government. I don't think that that exists so how can he do his job? Where does the money come from without a Chancellor, the policy without a functioning cabinet, the leadership with Boris in office?
I think he should go now in the hope that the whole government is replaced by something bettter that can allow the UK to do what it can to help Ukraine in an effective way rather than by photo op.1 -
Genuinely scary.
Public universities in Florida will be required to survey both faculty and students on their political beliefs and viewpoints, with the institutions at risk of losing their funding if the responses are not satisfactory to the state's Republican-led legislature.
The unprecedented project, which was tucked into a law signed Tuesday by Republican Gov. Ron DeSantis, is part of a long-running, nationwide right-wing push to promote "intellectual diversity" on campuses — though worries over a lack of details on the survey's privacy protections, and questions over what the results may ultimately be used for, hover over the venture.
Based on the bill's language, survey responses will not necessarily be anonymous — sparking worries among many professors and other university staff that they may be targeted, held back in their careers or even fired for their beliefs.
According to the bill's sponsor, state Sen. Ray Rodrigues, faculty will not be promoted or fired based on their responses, but, as The Tampa Bay Times reported Tuesday, the bill itself does not back up those claims.
https://www.salon.com/2021/06/23/desantis-signs-bill-requiring-florida-students-professors-to-register-political-views-with-state/4 -
"his core team"???Gardenwalker said:
Boris as PM and Mini-Boris as CoE.wooliedyed said:
Truss is the rumourGIN1138 said:
Ooo wonder if we might get our first lady CotE... Stand by you phone Nadine...TheScreamingEagles said:NEW: Boris Johnson has just concluded a meeting of his core team in which he has decided to replace Sunak and Javid -- possibly tonight -- in an attempt to ride out the storm
https://twitter.com/kitty_donaldson/status/1544402133029617667
What could go wrong?
That is LOL.
Ship of fools who can squeeze into a shoe box.
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7 resignations in one evening. So far2
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Heseltine was one of the last National Liberals ISTR.Roger said:
Heseltine has just said Brexit is the worst mistake any government has made in 70 years. A catastrophy. When told that Johnson going isn't going to change anything and even Labour now support Brexit he said "we have the Lib Dems"Big_G_NorthWales said:
I supported Johnson through Brexit, Covid and Ukraine but starting with Paterson through wallpapergate and partygate to the present debacle he has to go but of course Brexit for you is a trauma but for me is fine but does need work on it to improve it and is why I was surprised and pleased with Starmer's position on itIanB2 said:
Dream on, my friend.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Your fate was sealed when you jumped from “If that lying clown becomes party leader I am leaving the party” to “I’m now backing that same lying clown for PM!”.
You made your bed…
Interesting from a Remaining Tory. Perhaps the Future could be Orange.0 -
All a bit of an anti-climax now, this piece of theatre. I really enjoyed the first couple of hours, but the plot seems to have run out of steam quite quickly for today.
(Incidentally nobody, I think, has mentioned Alok Sharma, who is in the Cabinet. What's his view of his Leader?)0 -
"got Brexit done". Must tell my Belfast chum that.Leon said:
But he was the saviour of the Tory party - and the country. He got Brexit done, by winning a large majority, and if that had not happened the Tories would have descended into terrible internal warfare - as the whole country went on to an absolutely catastrophic 2nd referendum. Just try and imagine how that would have gone, as it was boycotted by millions of Leavers (like me). There you go. What do you do after that? After a botched 2nd vote with half the voters not showing up? That’s the end of British democracyGardenwalker said:
I remember the golden days when a goodly proportion of PB Tories thought Boris was their saviour.SeaShantyIrish2 said:Remember golden days of yore, when PBers fulminated at the indecency of referring to the PM as BoJo?
They are pretending that nobody remembers.
So many 2nd voters - such as Keir Starmer - like to pretend this would not have happened. Those Remainers that do now belatedly realise this want us to conveniently forget all about their demands for a 2nd referendum. Utter Wankers
However, the good that Boris did then is now seriously outweighed by his many flaws and unforced errors. He has to go0 -
Truss would do this just to go down in Trivial Pursuit as the the only female CoE.Gardenwalker said:
Boris as PM and Mini-Boris as CoE.wooliedyed said:
Truss is the rumourGIN1138 said:
Ooo wonder if we might get our first lady CotE... Stand by you phone Nadine...TheScreamingEagles said:NEW: Boris Johnson has just concluded a meeting of his core team in which he has decided to replace Sunak and Javid -- possibly tonight -- in an attempt to ride out the storm
https://twitter.com/kitty_donaldson/status/1544402133029617667
What could go wrong?
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That's the magic number 32.BartholomewRoberts said:
So the bit that mattered then?Slackbladder said:
On elements of fiscal policy, but not on social issues.HYUFD said:
With Blair having accepted much of the Thatcherite consensusSlackbladder said:
And then 1997 happened...HYUFD said:
They didn't for Thatcher, Boris also had plenty of rightwing red meat in 2019 too even if not as much as Thatcher did when she wonSlackbladder said:
Then they'll get hammered, the lib dems and labour will hit them from both flanks and they'll be sub 200 seats again quickly.HYUFD said:
This Tory membership want proper rightwingers like Mogg in Cabinet not just wets like Sunak and Hunt.DavidL said:
Would you care to have a bet on that? I am willing to bet that JRM will not be in the cabinet of Boris's successor. He is an embarrassment and gives the Tories an image they badly need to ditch. Like now.HYUFD said:
They won't, JRM is very popular amongst the Tory membership and it is the Tory membership who get the final say on the next Tory leader and PM not the publicDavidL said:
When the new management takes over tomorrow he and mad Nad and a few others will return to well deserved obscurity with the scorn of an ungrateful nation.Penddu2 said:Please keep JRM on tv.... excellent recruiter for Labour, LDs, Plaid, SNP, Greens, etc.
Smug arrogant condescending berk...totally out of touch
They have had enough of pure image they want the party to return to core Tory values. They have been in power long enough, 12 years, winning further power without pushing through Tory ideology is now pointless as far as they are concerned, better to go into opposition. Starmer after all is no Corbyn anyway
The world has moved on, old school right wing policies mean electoral oblivion.
I doubt it. It only takes, what, 32 changing their minds? In a secret ballot?Gardenwalker said:
Of course he’s going to brazen it out, unless Brady stops him.BartholomewRoberts said:
He'll resign before midday tomorrow. He can't do PMQs, he just can't.Stark_Dawning said:Difficult to be sure, but I think Boris might just survive this. No one will know who Javid is. As for Rishi, thanks to Boris's dark arts combined with some of his own in ineptitude he'll just be remembered as the billionaire tax dodger who did something underhand on a petrol-station forecourt. Boris will probably push on.
Be interesting to hear Sunak's or Javid's resignation speeches in the extremely unlikely event he tries to brazen this out.
We are up to six already. And that's with needing to resign to do it.
It's over.0 -
Eusless is hardly a surprise.Gardenwalker said:
I am surprised.kle4 said:George Eustice is also staying, according to @BBCVickiYoung
- the only senior cabinet minister who has not yet confirmed their position is Nadhim Zahawi.
https://twitter.com/HugoGye/status/1544393753082953728?cxt=HHwWgIC83fL75O4qAAAA
They rallied quickly, it seems. Disappointing.
With the sole exception of Wallace, it seems they have all personally calculated they will not get jobs under any successor.
That’s incredibly damning.1 -
Truss has done a stint as Chief Secretary to the Treasury so she will have some idea of how things work there but she is borderline bonkers and is not what this country needs right now or over the next few months.TheScreamingEagles said:Reshuffle latest:
Hearing that Steve Barclay could replace Sajid Javid as health secretary. Source tells me this is likely
There's also discussions in No 10 about Liz Truss as the new chancellor but nothing firm on that front yet
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A total non-surprise. He won't quit, ever. He'll have to be voted out, either by Tory backbenchers or the electorate.wooliedyed said:Hes not quitting, hes hiring. Tonight.
What a mess.1 -
That'd be misunderstood in Scotland and NI!Roger said:
Heseltine has just said Brexit is the worst mistake any government has made in 70 years. A catastrophy. When told that Johnson going isn't going to change anything and even Labour now support Brexit he said "we have the Lib Dems"Big_G_NorthWales said:
I supported Johnson through Brexit, Covid and Ukraine but starting with Paterson through wallpapergate and partygate to the present debacle he has to go but of course Brexit for you is a trauma but for me is fine but does need work on it to improve it and is why I was surprised and pleased with Starmer's position on itIanB2 said:
Dream on, my friend.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Your fate was sealed when you jumped from “If that lying clown becomes party leader I am leaving the party” to “I’m now backing that same lying clown for PM!”.
You made your bed…
Interesting from a Remaining Tory. Perhaps the Future could be Orange.1 -
One more than the set of infinite numbers?dixiedean said:Do we now find out exactly how many people he's promised a promotion to?
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Making that game so wonderfully aptly namedrottenborough said:
Truss would do this just to go down in Trivial Pursuit as the the only female CoE.Gardenwalker said:
Boris as PM and Mini-Boris as CoE.wooliedyed said:
Truss is the rumourGIN1138 said:
Ooo wonder if we might get our first lady CotE... Stand by you phone Nadine...TheScreamingEagles said:NEW: Boris Johnson has just concluded a meeting of his core team in which he has decided to replace Sunak and Javid -- possibly tonight -- in an attempt to ride out the storm
https://twitter.com/kitty_donaldson/status/1544402133029617667
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TheScreamingEagles said:
Genuinely scary.
Public universities in Florida will be required to survey both faculty and students on their political beliefs and viewpoints, with the institutions at risk of losing their funding if the responses are not satisfactory to the state's Republican-led legislature.
The unprecedented project, which was tucked into a law signed Tuesday by Republican Gov. Ron DeSantis, is part of a long-running, nationwide right-wing push to promote "intellectual diversity" on campuses — though worries over a lack of details on the survey's privacy protections, and questions over what the results may ultimately be used for, hover over the venture.
Based on the bill's language, survey responses will not necessarily be anonymous — sparking worries among many professors and other university staff that they may be targeted, held back in their careers or even fired for their beliefs.
According to the bill's sponsor, state Sen. Ray Rodrigues, faculty will not be promoted or fired based on their responses, but, as The Tampa Bay Times reported Tuesday, the bill itself does not back up those claims.
https://www.salon.com/2021/06/23/desantis-signs-bill-requiring-florida-students-professors-to-register-political-views-with-state/
According to the bill's sponsor, state Sen. Ray Rodrigues, faculty will not be promoted or fired based on their responses, but, as The Tampa Bay Times reported Tuesday, the bill itself does not back up those claims
A common issue with ill motivated drafters - claim X is not the point/intent, yet provide for the ability to do X anyway.2 -
That will be a laugh. Barclay was the only thing keeping the madness on the road wasn't he as far as Tory backbench MPs think?TheScreamingEagles said:Reshuffle latest:
Hearing that Steve Barclay could replace Sajid Javid as health secretary. Source tells me this is likely
There's also discussions in No 10 about Liz Truss as the new chancellor but nothing firm on that front yet
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.@nadhimzahawi has just gone into No10. The expectation is that he will be appointed Chancellor. Presumably, on the basis of what @Jacob_Rees_Mogg just said, the deal is he has to go against Treasury advice and reverse the rise in corporation tax
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No. Completely justified. The horrendous onethink on American campuses has to be challenged. They are 99% Democrat and 98% Woke, yet the rest of America really is not, and this gulf is bad for any countryTheScreamingEagles said:Genuinely scary.
Public universities in Florida will be required to survey both faculty and students on their political beliefs and viewpoints, with the institutions at risk of losing their funding if the responses are not satisfactory to the state's Republican-led legislature.
The unprecedented project, which was tucked into a law signed Tuesday by Republican Gov. Ron DeSantis, is part of a long-running, nationwide right-wing push to promote "intellectual diversity" on campuses — though worries over a lack of details on the survey's privacy protections, and questions over what the results may ultimately be used for, hover over the venture.
Based on the bill's language, survey responses will not necessarily be anonymous — sparking worries among many professors and other university staff that they may be targeted, held back in their careers or even fired for their beliefs.
According to the bill's sponsor, state Sen. Ray Rodrigues, faculty will not be promoted or fired based on their responses, but, as The Tampa Bay Times reported Tuesday, the bill itself does not back up those claims.
https://www.salon.com/2021/06/23/desantis-signs-bill-requiring-florida-students-professors-to-register-political-views-with-state/2 -
Anyone who ever supported Johnson is a moron frankly. You knew what he was like, you were told and warned and voted for him anyway.
No sympathy, you're all fucking muppets all of you5 -
To call her bonkers, this is a disgrace.DavidL said:
Truss has done a stint as Chief Secretary to the Treasury so she will have some idea of how things work there but she is borderline bonkers and is not what this country needs right now or over the next few months.TheScreamingEagles said:Reshuffle latest:
Hearing that Steve Barclay could replace Sajid Javid as health secretary. Source tells me this is likely
There's also discussions in No 10 about Liz Truss as the new chancellor but nothing firm on that front yet
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Good points. 1922 to change the rules looks increasingly likely. I assume it is simple majority? The now majority of Tory MPs who are against hi simply have to get him out or they are doomed.TheValiant said:
The main problem is getting Starmer (or the LOTO if its not Starmer) to play ball.NorthofStoke said:Is it conceivable that the only way to get shut will be Tories supporting VONC against government? No automatic GE will follow. Queen will call leader most likely to form a government so possibilities include:
1. No leadership campaign instead Tory MPs will have to agree on one candidate to avoid prolonged vote.
2. Temporary PM while leadership contest takes place (May?)
Tories have to be vary careful they don't precipitate an election by accident. Of course it is also possible that Starmer may go soon (before Boris??).
Entertaining!
Only the LOTO can call a VONC and it be guaranteed to be debated and voted on.
So.... let's just make something up and say Johnson refuses to resign and replaces the cabinet members who have resigned. Unless the 1922 committee can change the rules, the only final way is a Parliamentary vote.
So the 'leader' of the Con rebels (and I'll make something ELSE up and just say 'Hunt') approaches Starmer.
Hunt wants a VONC, which he guarantees he and 100 others will support.
Starmer wants a VONC.
So it seems a no brainer. But its what happens afterwards.
Hunt would want a VONC followed by an alternative Conservative government, led by him, WITHOUT a General Election.
Starmer would want a VONC followed by a GE.
Hunt can't get the VONC even called to debate without Starmer. Starmer won't accept tabling a VONC unless it leads to a GE.
Hunt *might say* he'd agree to a GE, but Starmer has no way of guaranteeing that. Starmer could call the VONC, win it, and then ask for a GE only for Hunt to shaft him over and stop one.
Starmer, though he DOES have a role in this latest drama, almost certainly won't do anything. He can't get what he wants, and no alternative Conservative would feel happy giving him a GE (except Rory Stewart, who isn't here anymore).2 -
Patel will definitely make a comeback, probably in the same position. The next leader will need to get backing from the Tory right and keeping Patel in place deporting people to Rwanda guarantees that.Gardenwalker said:
Patel won’t be re-appointed. She is unpopular, and only got the present job for culture-war style shits and giggles.wooliedyed said:Re cabinet not quitting. They may simply assume the game is up and they are best placed to fight for the leadership from cabinet. Patel, Raab, Truss probably all see themselves as potential 'cabinet agreed caretaker'
Raab is quite dim, and is likely caught in some headlights somewhere. He too will not survive Johnson.
Truss is a WTF.
She had her chance and she’s blown it.
She’ll be another casualty therefore.
We are going to see quite a lot of the fatberg dislodged, I think.
I'd honestly be shocked if whoever wins moves Patel out of post, only a promotion to Foreign Sec would be plausible IMO if they wanted a new Home Sec. No way she'll take a demotion and they will need her on side.2 -
So that is her definitely for Chancellor then...DavidL said:
Truss has done a stint as Chief Secretary to the Treasury so she will have some idea of how things work there but she is borderline bonkers and is not what this country needs right now or over the next few months.TheScreamingEagles said:Reshuffle latest:
Hearing that Steve Barclay could replace Sajid Javid as health secretary. Source tells me this is likely
There's also discussions in No 10 about Liz Truss as the new chancellor but nothing firm on that front yet
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Given alleged goings-on in Boris's former Foreign Office office, reckon Tories may not, er, sweep the custodian vote next time.Sunil_Prasannan said:
The Jani-tory Party?dixiedean said:
Caretaker is about their level.wooliedyed said:Re cabinet not quitting. They may simply assume the game is up and they are best placed to fight for the leadership from cabinet. Patel, Raab, Truss probably all see themselves as potential 'cabinet agreed caretaker'
Not sure I'd trust them to mop the floors properly, mind.0 -
Hell of a splash.Foxy said:
I think she would belly flop, but that could be quite fun to watch.dixiedean said:
You didn't see Mordaunt on reality TV then?Omnium said:
Patel is the only person that could make the splash bigger.numbertwelve said:
I am holding out hope that Zahawi is waiting until just before 10:00 to plunge the knife in. But I suspect I will be disappointed.kle4 said:George Eustice is also staying, according to @BBCVickiYoung
- the only senior cabinet minister who has not yet confirmed their position is Nadhim Zahawi.
https://twitter.com/HugoGye/status/1544393753082953728?cxt=HHwWgIC83fL75O4qAAAA
They rallied quickly, it seems. Disappointing.0 -
https://twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1544404056428380161
Resignation Count Hits 7:
Rishi Sunak MP (Chancellor)
Sajid Javid MP (Health Sec.)
Bim Afolami MP (Vice Chair)
Jonathan Gullis MP (PPS, NI)
Nicola Richards MP (PPS, Transport)
Saqib Bhatti MP (PPS, Health)
Andrew Murrison MP (Trade Envoy, Morocco)1 -
Just taken an 8 hour break from politics while visiting Wimbledon. What the hell's going on?0
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And it is not enough to get Boris to go!wooliedyed said:7 resignations in one evening. So far
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Your arse must be jealous about the shite that comes out of your mouth.Leon said:
No. Completely justified. The horrendous onethink on American campuses has to be challenged. They are 99% Democrat and 98% Woke, yet the rest of America really is not, and this gulf is bad for any countryTheScreamingEagles said:Genuinely scary.
Public universities in Florida will be required to survey both faculty and students on their political beliefs and viewpoints, with the institutions at risk of losing their funding if the responses are not satisfactory to the state's Republican-led legislature.
The unprecedented project, which was tucked into a law signed Tuesday by Republican Gov. Ron DeSantis, is part of a long-running, nationwide right-wing push to promote "intellectual diversity" on campuses — though worries over a lack of details on the survey's privacy protections, and questions over what the results may ultimately be used for, hover over the venture.
Based on the bill's language, survey responses will not necessarily be anonymous — sparking worries among many professors and other university staff that they may be targeted, held back in their careers or even fired for their beliefs.
According to the bill's sponsor, state Sen. Ray Rodrigues, faculty will not be promoted or fired based on their responses, but, as The Tampa Bay Times reported Tuesday, the bill itself does not back up those claims.
https://www.salon.com/2021/06/23/desantis-signs-bill-requiring-florida-students-professors-to-register-political-views-with-state/4 -
Has there ever been a worse Cabinet Sec than Simon Case?
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Especially after her recent humiliation going out to bat for Boris.Gardenwalker said:
Perhaps lacking in confidence.rottenborough said:
Coffey is a surprise. She is actually capable as far as I can see.Gardenwalker said:There are 19 Cabinet Ministers left, and a further 8 “attending” Cabinet.
All of them - save Wallace maybe, and for the moment Zahawi - have calculated they won’t get a job post-Boris.
It’s simply incredible how much shit is sitting in this u-bend.
I really struggle to understand the psychology. Only a few are actually HYUFD-style stark raving mad.
She was looking quietly incensed in the cabinet meeting.0 -
Maybe that's why he went to ground?Scott_xP said:.@nadhimzahawi has just gone into No10. The expectation is that he will be appointed Chancellor. Presumably, on the basis of what @Jacob_Rees_Mogg just said, the deal is he has to go against Treasury advice and reverse the rise in corporation tax
https://twitter.com/Peston/status/1544404553470300162
Chancellor or I finish you off?
Canny bugger, if so.1 -
She's too much of a national security risk to be Foreign Secretary.MaxPB said:
Patel will definitely make a comeback, probably in the same position. The next leader will need to get backing from the Tory right and keeping Patel in place deporting people to Rwanda guarantees that.Gardenwalker said:
Patel won’t be re-appointed. She is unpopular, and only got the present job for culture-war style shits and giggles.wooliedyed said:Re cabinet not quitting. They may simply assume the game is up and they are best placed to fight for the leadership from cabinet. Patel, Raab, Truss probably all see themselves as potential 'cabinet agreed caretaker'
Raab is quite dim, and is likely caught in some headlights somewhere. He too will not survive Johnson.
Truss is a WTF.
She had her chance and she’s blown it.
She’ll be another casualty therefore.
We are going to see quite a lot of the fatberg dislodged, I think.
I'd honestly be shocked if whoever wins moves Patel out of post, only a promotion to Foreign Sec would be plausible IMO if they wanted a new Home Sec. No way she'll take a demotion and they will need her on side.0 -
So long as Boris Johnson remains in office, the only pertinent question is what he needs right now. The country can go f**k itself.DavidL said:
Truss has done a stint as Chief Secretary to the Treasury so she will have some idea of how things work there but she is borderline bonkers and is not what this country needs right now or over the next few months.TheScreamingEagles said:Reshuffle latest:
Hearing that Steve Barclay could replace Sajid Javid as health secretary. Source tells me this is likely
There's also discussions in No 10 about Liz Truss as the new chancellor but nothing firm on that front yet
https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/15444004871806033990 -
Finish him off? That's Carrie's job.dixiedean said:
Maybe that's why he went to ground?Scott_xP said:.@nadhimzahawi has just gone into No10. The expectation is that he will be appointed Chancellor. Presumably, on the basis of what @Jacob_Rees_Mogg just said, the deal is he has to go against Treasury advice and reverse the rise in corporation tax
https://twitter.com/Peston/status/1544404553470300162
Chancellor or I finish you off?
Canny bugger, if so.2 -
Refer to my previous comment! If he takes that gig his career is over.Scott_xP said:.@nadhimzahawi has just gone into No10. The expectation is that he will be appointed Chancellor. Presumably, on the basis of what @Jacob_Rees_Mogg just said, the deal is he has to go against Treasury advice and reverse the rise in corporation tax
https://twitter.com/Peston/status/15444045534703001621 -
Yes, one of the many things that the Coalition got right was leaving ministers in post long enough to actually learn their departments and address the problems. Probably helped by the job deal agreed at the start but it led to better government than the teamsheet approach of the later Blair and Brown administrations.darkage said:
It must be really difficult if you are a Minister deeply committed to a policy and with knowledge of the detail. Gove is a bit like this in DHLUC at the moment. You can see that he has got in to the detail of what he is working on almost to the same level as the civil servants who work for him. It must be hard to walk away from all that.DavidL said:Tricky one for Wallace given what is on his plate. I see the argument he should stay put but the logic of that is that he stays put as part of a functioning government. I don't think that that exists so how can he do his job? Where does the money come from without a Chancellor, the policy without a functioning cabinet, the leadership with Boris in office?
I think he should go now in the hope that the whole government is replaced by something bettter that can allow the UK to do what it can to help Ukraine in an effective way rather than by photo op.1 -
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Chancellor for two weeks.dixiedean said:
Maybe that's why he went to ground?Scott_xP said:.@nadhimzahawi has just gone into No10. The expectation is that he will be appointed Chancellor. Presumably, on the basis of what @Jacob_Rees_Mogg just said, the deal is he has to go against Treasury advice and reverse the rise in corporation tax
https://twitter.com/Peston/status/1544404553470300162
Chancellor or I finish you off?
Canny bugger, if so.
Wow. What a prize for:
Reputation, reputation, reputation! O, I have lost my reputation! I have lost the immortal part of myself, and what remains is bestial.
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That'll be fun - as where is the tax revenue going to come from now everything else is already at maximum.Scott_xP said:.@nadhimzahawi has just gone into No10. The expectation is that he will be appointed Chancellor. Presumably, on the basis of what @Jacob_Rees_Mogg just said, the deal is he has to go against Treasury advice and reverse the rise in corporation tax
https://twitter.com/Peston/status/1544404553470300162
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Delusional pillock.TheScreamingEagles said:NEW: Boris Johnson has just concluded a meeting of his core team in which he has decided to replace Sunak and Javid -- possibly tonight -- in an attempt to ride out the storm
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BREAKING Steve Barclay is the new Health Secretary0
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I didn't vote Tory at the last election but stated, as did many others, that the choice was between the two most unsuitable candidates to be PM in modern history. Despite everything Corbyn was the worst of the pair.CorrectHorseBattery said:Anyone who ever supported Johnson is a moron frankly. You knew what he was like, you were told and warned and voted for him anyway.
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Well the Liberals (and recently the Lib-Dems) and the the Tories have always been interchangeable. The modern day Conservative Party is born out of various historic Tory, Whig and Liberal Party splits.Roger said:
Heseltine has just said Brexit is the worst mistake any government has made in 70 years. A catastrophy. When told that Johnson going isn't going to change anything and even Labour now support Brexit he said "we have the Lib Dems"Big_G_NorthWales said:
I supported Johnson through Brexit, Covid and Ukraine but starting with Paterson through wallpapergate and partygate to the present debacle he has to go but of course Brexit for you is a trauma but for me is fine but does need work on it to improve it and is why I was surprised and pleased with Starmer's position on itIanB2 said:
Dream on, my friend.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Your fate was sealed when you jumped from “If that lying clown becomes party leader I am leaving the party” to “I’m now backing that same lying clown for PM!”.
You made your bed…
Interesting from a Remaining Tory. Perhaps the Future could be Orange.
That's what people hankering for the "Progressive Alliance" that will keep the Conservatives out of power for the next 50 years don't get... Historically Con and Lib are much more likely bedfellows than Lib and Lab.
Hezza's deluded though if he thinks we're rejoining anytime soon...0 -
Not a lot. Some of us thought that 7 or 8 resignations would be enough to make Boris go, but what it will really take is either the SAS, Seal Team 6 or a large crowbar to prise his fingers off the desk.Andy_JS said:Just taken an 8 hour break from politics while visiting Wimbledon. What the hell's going on?
We could always nuke No.10 from orbit. It's the only way to be sure......2 -
No they were as terrible as each other. And with each day that passes that becomes clearer.NorthofStoke said:
I didn't vote Tory at the last election but stated, as did many others, that the choice was between the two most unsuitable candidates to be PM in modern history. Despite everything Corbyn was the worst of the pair.CorrectHorseBattery said:Anyone who ever supported Johnson is a moron frankly. You knew what he was like, you were told and warned and voted for him anyway.
No sympathy, you're all fucking muppets all of you
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I'm not sure that matters - the public might welcome a face new to them. The more significant snag is that their own colleagues don't know how they'd perform under pressure. And the Tories can't risk having another change - whoever they choose now, if they evict Johnson, they're stuck with till the election.dixiedean said:
Been trying to make this point re Wallace and Mordaunt.bondegezou said:
& of people who know who a politician is, from https://yougov.co.uk/ratings/politics/fame/politicians-political-figures/allStark_Dawning said:Difficult to be sure, but I think Boris might just survive this. No one will know who Javid is. As for Rishi, thanks to Boris's dark arts combined with some of his own in ineptitude he'll just be remembered as the billionaire tax dodger who did something underhand on a petrol-station forecourt. Boris will probably push on.
Johnson 99% (top politician)
Blair 98% (highest non-Tory)
Corbyn 97% (highest non-PM)
Hancock 97% (highest Con non-PM)
Patel 94% (highest Cabinet member)
Starmer 92%
Sunak 92%
Javid 89%
Truss 66%
Davey 49%
Wallace 37%
Mordaunt 35%
Tugendhat 19%
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Con 32%
LD 11%
SNP 4%
Ref 4%
Grn 3%
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A Cambridge educated lawyer, he'll be utterly brilliant.Scott_xP said:BREAKING Steve Barclay is the new Health Secretary
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She is too lacking in compassion, decency, competence or political nous to be a cabinet minister but it hasn't stopped her so far.TheScreamingEagles said:
She's too much of a national security risk to be Foreign Secretary.MaxPB said:
Patel will definitely make a comeback, probably in the same position. The next leader will need to get backing from the Tory right and keeping Patel in place deporting people to Rwanda guarantees that.Gardenwalker said:
Patel won’t be re-appointed. She is unpopular, and only got the present job for culture-war style shits and giggles.wooliedyed said:Re cabinet not quitting. They may simply assume the game is up and they are best placed to fight for the leadership from cabinet. Patel, Raab, Truss probably all see themselves as potential 'cabinet agreed caretaker'
Raab is quite dim, and is likely caught in some headlights somewhere. He too will not survive Johnson.
Truss is a WTF.
She had her chance and she’s blown it.
She’ll be another casualty therefore.
We are going to see quite a lot of the fatberg dislodged, I think.
I'd honestly be shocked if whoever wins moves Patel out of post, only a promotion to Foreign Sec would be plausible IMO if they wanted a new Home Sec. No way she'll take a demotion and they will need her on side.0 -
Even then the cockroaches and Bozo would come out alive...Beibheirli_C said:
Not a lot. Some of us thought that 7 or 8 resignations would be enough to make Boris go, but what it will really take is either the SAS, Seal Team 6 or a large crowbar to prise his fingers off the desk.Andy_JS said:Just taken an 8 hour break from politics while visiting Wimbledon. What the hell's going on?
We could always nuke No.10 from orbit. It's the only way to be sure......1 -
They're not fit to "caretake" a 2-hole out-house. That is, manage a privy, let alone counsel it.dixiedean said:
Caretaker is about their level.wooliedyed said:Re cabinet not quitting. They may simply assume the game is up and they are best placed to fight for the leadership from cabinet. Patel, Raab, Truss probably all see themselves as potential 'cabinet agreed caretaker'
Not sure I'd trust them to mop the floors properly, mind.0 -
You didn't need to put Johnson into Number 10, could have voted for Hunt. Blood. On. Your. Hands.0
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Maybe, but Patel is a survivor. I think her lack of leadership credentials is why it doesn't make a difference to her future if she resigned or not today.TheScreamingEagles said:
She's too much of a national security risk to be Foreign Secretary.MaxPB said:
Patel will definitely make a comeback, probably in the same position. The next leader will need to get backing from the Tory right and keeping Patel in place deporting people to Rwanda guarantees that.Gardenwalker said:
Patel won’t be re-appointed. She is unpopular, and only got the present job for culture-war style shits and giggles.wooliedyed said:Re cabinet not quitting. They may simply assume the game is up and they are best placed to fight for the leadership from cabinet. Patel, Raab, Truss probably all see themselves as potential 'cabinet agreed caretaker'
Raab is quite dim, and is likely caught in some headlights somewhere. He too will not survive Johnson.
Truss is a WTF.
She had her chance and she’s blown it.
She’ll be another casualty therefore.
We are going to see quite a lot of the fatberg dislodged, I think.
I'd honestly be shocked if whoever wins moves Patel out of post, only a promotion to Foreign Sec would be plausible IMO if they wanted a new Home Sec. No way she'll take a demotion and they will need her on side.
I also don't buy letting Wallace off the hook, his resignation would precipitate a full on rebellion overnight and Boris will be removed by 9am. The Ukraine policy doesn't change either way. If Wallace wants the leadership he should resign tonight.0 -
If his time at the DfE is any guide, he will not act against CS advice.Scott_xP said:.@nadhimzahawi has just gone into No10. The expectation is that he will be appointed Chancellor. Presumably, on the basis of what @Jacob_Rees_Mogg just said, the deal is he has to go against Treasury advice and reverse the rise in corporation tax
https://twitter.com/Peston/status/1544404553470300162
This became a real issue on the many occasions his civil servants at the DfE were transparently completely wrong.
I don't know the Treasury are a lot better. However, they do at least have some people with a vague understanding of finance there.0 -
So, we wait until the 1922 elections next week, they change the rules, and then he's out?Ratters said:The important thing to remember is Boris is completely and utterly shameless.
The only way he's going is via losing a new vote of no confidence. The normal rules of politics don't apply to him.0 -
Puts him on the front row of the grid.rottenborough said:
Chancellor for two weeks.dixiedean said:
Maybe that's why he went to ground?Scott_xP said:.@nadhimzahawi has just gone into No10. The expectation is that he will be appointed Chancellor. Presumably, on the basis of what @Jacob_Rees_Mogg just said, the deal is he has to go against Treasury advice and reverse the rise in corporation tax
https://twitter.com/Peston/status/1544404553470300162
Chancellor or I finish you off?
Canny bugger, if so.
Wow. What a prize for:
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You are comparing a s*** sandwich with s*** on toast. The two critical ingredients are bread and s***. No difference really.NorthofStoke said:
I didn't vote Tory at the last election but stated, as did many others, that the choice was between the two most unsuitable candidates to be PM in modern history. Despite everything Corbyn was the worst of the pair.CorrectHorseBattery said:Anyone who ever supported Johnson is a moron frankly. You knew what he was like, you were told and warned and voted for him anyway.
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"It's Worse Than That, He's Still There" as someone once said...0
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Yes indeed. Wrong command [slaps self on wrist]Carnyx said:
Tut. Almost as appalling as the chap who asked for a G&T in the Pump Room at Bath, to some people's minds. Though I know you don't mean it.Beibheirli_C said:
He used to run Bomber Command IIRCNorthern_Al said:Oliver Dowden must be really pissed off that his principled resignation, less than a fortnight ago, has been consigned to the dustbin of history so quickly.
"Who's he?", the masses asked.
*Fighter* Command, Battle of Britain, Lancasters going Tally-Ho and shooting down Focke-Wulfs over Biggin Hill, you know, the entire Brexiter mythos.
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Let's have a general election. We'd have one every year if it was up to me.StuartDickson said:Savanta ComRes
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Con 32%
LD 11%
SNP 4%
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So how long before Boris and his "loyalists" begin organizing mass protests at Houses of Parliament?0
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So Daily Mail front page tomorrow will be about Starmer and beergate, AMIRIGHT?2
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I suspect Johnson, the wallpaper and curtains survive like cockroaches.Beibheirli_C said:
Not a lot. Some of us thought that 7 or 8 resignations would be enough to make Boris go, but what it will really take is either the SAS, Seal Team 6 or a large crowbar to prise his fingers off the desk.Andy_JS said:Just taken an 8 hour break from politics while visiting Wimbledon. What the hell's going on?
We could always nuke No.10 from orbit. It's the only way to be sure......1 -
Barclay is Health Secretary.0
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'Tis trash. Twas his, twas mine, has gone, and hath been promised to thousands?rottenborough said:
Chancellor for two weeks.dixiedean said:
Maybe that's why he went to ground?Scott_xP said:.@nadhimzahawi has just gone into No10. The expectation is that he will be appointed Chancellor. Presumably, on the basis of what @Jacob_Rees_Mogg just said, the deal is he has to go against Treasury advice and reverse the rise in corporation tax
https://twitter.com/Peston/status/1544404553470300162
Chancellor or I finish you off?
Canny bugger, if so.
Wow. What a prize for:
Reputation, reputation, reputation! O, I have lost my reputation! I have lost the immortal part of myself, and what remains is bestial.0 -
Let's have a GE. Go on Johnson0
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Except the shit takes longer to work its way to the tastebuds in one recipe. But anyone with an eleventh of a brain can foresee that event.Mexicanpete said:
You are comparing a s*** sandwich with s*** on toast. The two critical ingredients are bread and s***. No difference really.NorthofStoke said:
I didn't vote Tory at the last election but stated, as did many others, that the choice was between the two most unsuitable candidates to be PM in modern history. Despite everything Corbyn was the worst of the pair.CorrectHorseBattery said:Anyone who ever supported Johnson is a moron frankly. You knew what he was like, you were told and warned and voted for him anyway.
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He's called Leon now.williamglenn said:The Lib Dems have found a scapegoat:
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Sunak and Javid will end up being heroes in the history books even if they never see high office again and return to banking.
Who the hell would have thought, after the 2008 finance crash, that it would be bankers who actually have the guts to stand for ethics and integrity?
Wow, life moves fast.
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"🔥A Tory rebel MP says: "Boris treats the party likes he treats his women. He'll never leave us. But he'll lie to us and cheat on us until we eventually have to boot him out".'
https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1541385561075847170
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Genuinely Johnson will call an election to get rid of people plotting, his only way out. Nailed on IMHO0
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Hello, is that the Durham constabulary? https://twitter.com/robertshrimsley/status/1544404997584130050/photo/1TheScreamingEagles said:So Daily Mail front page tomorrow will be about Starmer and beergate, AMIRIGHT?
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Assassins of PMs don't become Tory PMs as Heseltine discovered. It was the Thatcher loyalist Major who succeeded herMaxPB said:
Maybe, but Patel is a survivor. I think her lack of leadership credentials is why it doesn't make a difference to her future if she resigned or not today.TheScreamingEagles said:
She's too much of a national security risk to be Foreign Secretary.MaxPB said:
Patel will definitely make a comeback, probably in the same position. The next leader will need to get backing from the Tory right and keeping Patel in place deporting people to Rwanda guarantees that.Gardenwalker said:
Patel won’t be re-appointed. She is unpopular, and only got the present job for culture-war style shits and giggles.wooliedyed said:Re cabinet not quitting. They may simply assume the game is up and they are best placed to fight for the leadership from cabinet. Patel, Raab, Truss probably all see themselves as potential 'cabinet agreed caretaker'
Raab is quite dim, and is likely caught in some headlights somewhere. He too will not survive Johnson.
Truss is a WTF.
She had her chance and she’s blown it.
She’ll be another casualty therefore.
We are going to see quite a lot of the fatberg dislodged, I think.
I'd honestly be shocked if whoever wins moves Patel out of post, only a promotion to Foreign Sec would be plausible IMO if they wanted a new Home Sec. No way she'll take a demotion and they will need her on side.
I also don't buy letting Wallace off the hook, his resignation would precipitate a full on rebellion overnight and Boris will be removed by 9am. The Ukraine policy doesn't change either way. If Wallace wants the leadership he should resign tonight.0 -
No. 10 Downing Street. Never will you find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious!Beibheirli_C said:
Not a lot. Some of us thought that 7 or 8 resignations would be enough to make Boris go, but what it will really take is either the SAS, Seal Team 6 or a large crowbar to prise his fingers off the desk.Andy_JS said:Just taken an 8 hour break from politics while visiting Wimbledon. What the hell's going on?
We could always nuke No.10 from orbit. It's the only way to be sure......2 -
I was wondering why all the middle-class liberals in Wimbledon seem to be in an especially good mood tonight. It wasn't just Cameron Norrie winning his match, it seems.2
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It took them long enough though.rottenborough said:Sunak and Javid will end up being heroes in the history books even if they never see high office again and return to banking.
Who the hell would have thought, after the 2008 finance crash, that it would be bankers who actually have the guts to stand for ethics and integrity?
Wow, life moves fast.2 -
https://twitter.com/piersmorgan/status/1544407239011799045
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So Johnson was a May loyalist? Shocking if true.HYUFD said:
Assassins of PMs don't become Tory PMs asMaxPB said:
Maybe, but Patel is a survivor. I think her lack of leadership credentials is why it doesn't make a difference to her future if she resigned or not today.TheScreamingEagles said:
She's too much of a national security risk to be Foreign Secretary.MaxPB said:
Patel will definitely make a comeback, probably in the same position. The next leader will need to get backing from the Tory right and keeping Patel in place deporting people to Rwanda guarantees that.Gardenwalker said:
Patel won’t be re-appointed. She is unpopular, and only got the present job for culture-war style shits and giggles.wooliedyed said:Re cabinet not quitting. They may simply assume the game is up and they are best placed to fight for the leadership from cabinet. Patel, Raab, Truss probably all see themselves as potential 'cabinet agreed caretaker'
Raab is quite dim, and is likely caught in some headlights somewhere. He too will not survive Johnson.
Truss is a WTF.
She had her chance and she’s blown it.
She’ll be another casualty therefore.
We are going to see quite a lot of the fatberg dislodged, I think.
I'd honestly be shocked if whoever wins moves Patel out of post, only a promotion to Foreign Sec would be plausible IMO if they wanted a new Home Sec. No way she'll take a demotion and they will need her on side.
I also don't buy letting Wallace off the hook, his resignation would precipitate a full on rebellion overnight and Boris will be removed by 9am. The Ukraine policy doesn't change either way. If Wallace wants the leadership he should resign tonight.
Heseltine discovered. It was the Thatcher
loyalist Major who succeeded
her
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Zahawi is BoZo to the core. He is accepting the role of chancellor as we speak IMO0
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Johnson replaced May.HYUFD said:
Assassins of PMs don't become Tory PMs as Heseltine discovered. It was the Thatcher loyalist Major who succeeded herMaxPB said:
Maybe, but Patel is a survivor. I think her lack of leadership credentials is why it doesn't make a difference to her future if she resigned or not today.TheScreamingEagles said:
She's too much of a national security risk to be Foreign Secretary.MaxPB said:
Patel will definitely make a comeback, probably in the same position. The next leader will need to get backing from the Tory right and keeping Patel in place deporting people to Rwanda guarantees that.Gardenwalker said:
Patel won’t be re-appointed. She is unpopular, and only got the present job for culture-war style shits and giggles.wooliedyed said:Re cabinet not quitting. They may simply assume the game is up and they are best placed to fight for the leadership from cabinet. Patel, Raab, Truss probably all see themselves as potential 'cabinet agreed caretaker'
Raab is quite dim, and is likely caught in some headlights somewhere. He too will not survive Johnson.
Truss is a WTF.
She had her chance and she’s blown it.
She’ll be another casualty therefore.
We are going to see quite a lot of the fatberg dislodged, I think.
I'd honestly be shocked if whoever wins moves Patel out of post, only a promotion to Foreign Sec would be plausible IMO if they wanted a new Home Sec. No way she'll take a demotion and they will need her on side.
I also don't buy letting Wallace off the hook, his resignation would precipitate a full on rebellion overnight and Boris will be removed by 9am. The Ukraine policy doesn't change either way. If Wallace wants the leadership he should resign tonight.
And that was the second consecutive Tory Prime Monister he'd knifed.1 -
Con and Lib are closer on fiscal issues generally, Lab and Lib are closer on social issues generally and now of course BrexitGIN1138 said:
Well the Liberals (and recently the Lib-Dems) and the the Tories have always been interchangeable. The modern day Conservative Party is born out of various historic Tory, Whig and Liberal Party splits.Roger said:
Heseltine has just said Brexit is the worst mistake any government has made in 70 years. A catastrophy. When told that Johnson going isn't going to change anything and even Labour now support Brexit he said "we have the Lib Dems"Big_G_NorthWales said:
I supported Johnson through Brexit, Covid and Ukraine but starting with Paterson through wallpapergate and partygate to the present debacle he has to go but of course Brexit for you is a trauma but for me is fine but does need work on it to improve it and is why I was surprised and pleased with Starmer's position on itIanB2 said:
Dream on, my friend.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Your fate was sealed when you jumped from “If that lying clown becomes party leader I am leaving the party” to “I’m now backing that same lying clown for PM!”.
You made your bed…
Interesting from a Remaining Tory. Perhaps the Future could be Orange.
That's what people hankering for the "Progressive Alliance" that will keep the Conservatives out of power for the next 50 years don't get... Historically Con and Lib are much more likely bedfellows than Lib and Lab.
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TotallyTheScreamingEagles said:So Daily Mail front page tomorrow will be about Starmer and beergate, AMIRIGHT?
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How do you know they all middle-class liberals?Andy_JS said:I was wondering why all the middle-class liberals in Wimbledon seem to be in an especially good mood tonight. It wasn't just Cameron Norrie winning his match, it seems.
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So much for the 1st Amendment.TheScreamingEagles said:Genuinely scary.
Public universities in Florida will be required to survey both faculty and students on their political beliefs and viewpoints, with the institutions at risk of losing their funding if the responses are not satisfactory to the state's Republican-led legislature.
The unprecedented project, which was tucked into a law signed Tuesday by Republican Gov. Ron DeSantis, is part of a long-running, nationwide right-wing push to promote "intellectual diversity" on campuses — though worries over a lack of details on the survey's privacy protections, and questions over what the results may ultimately be used for, hover over the venture.
Based on the bill's language, survey responses will not necessarily be anonymous — sparking worries among many professors and other university staff that they may be targeted, held back in their careers or even fired for their beliefs.
According to the bill's sponsor, state Sen. Ray Rodrigues, faculty will not be promoted or fired based on their responses, but, as The Tampa Bay Times reported Tuesday, the bill itself does not back up those claims.
https://www.salon.com/2021/06/23/desantis-signs-bill-requiring-florida-students-professors-to-register-political-views-with-state/2 -
They're all woke lefties.TheScreamingEagles said:
How do you know they all middle-class liberals?Andy_JS said:I was wondering why all the middle-class liberals in Wimbledon seem to be in an especially good mood tonight. It wasn't just Cameron Norrie winning his match, it seems.
Are you projecting again?
Oh no, they used to be true blue Tories, no longer wanted by this Tory Party.0 -
You were beaten to that joke….. by a mugTheScreamingEagles said:
Your arse must be jealous about the shite that comes out of your mouth.Leon said:
No. Completely justified. The horrendous onethink on American campuses has to be challenged. They are 99% Democrat and 98% Woke, yet the rest of America really is not, and this gulf is bad for any countryTheScreamingEagles said:Genuinely scary.
Public universities in Florida will be required to survey both faculty and students on their political beliefs and viewpoints, with the institutions at risk of losing their funding if the responses are not satisfactory to the state's Republican-led legislature.
The unprecedented project, which was tucked into a law signed Tuesday by Republican Gov. Ron DeSantis, is part of a long-running, nationwide right-wing push to promote "intellectual diversity" on campuses — though worries over a lack of details on the survey's privacy protections, and questions over what the results may ultimately be used for, hover over the venture.
Based on the bill's language, survey responses will not necessarily be anonymous — sparking worries among many professors and other university staff that they may be targeted, held back in their careers or even fired for their beliefs.
According to the bill's sponsor, state Sen. Ray Rodrigues, faculty will not be promoted or fired based on their responses, but, as The Tampa Bay Times reported Tuesday, the bill itself does not back up those claims.
https://www.salon.com/2021/06/23/desantis-signs-bill-requiring-florida-students-professors-to-register-political-views-with-state/
No, he’s notdixiedean said:
He's called Leon now.williamglenn said:The Lib Dems have found a scapegoat:
https://twitter.com/sean_kemp/status/15443929526713384983
