In a sense, that's the worst imaginable result for the Tories. They keep a dud leader, they are associated with his failures and crimes, and they have to explain why he stays in office.
And at the same time, he's lost pretty much all his authority with his party as well as with the public.
One instructive thought - I didn't hear Brady say 'no challenge for a year' the way he did three years ago.
Nope, the locals were so bad in 2019 which forced May out (28% NEV and over 1000 seats lost) ironically the Tories may even make gains in next year's locals, securing Boris as leader and PM until the next general election in 2024
If CP wins, pressure will be off. If CP loses, 1922 will be badgered to change rules to allow another go at ousting him I suspect - but how can they when Johnson has the support of a decent majority of his MPs?
Not the result I wanted, but a democratic result and that has to be accepted and respected. The MPs have flunked it, but that was their choice and they've made their bed now and its time to move on and let the voters have their say next time.
If CP wins, pressure will be off. If CP loses, 1922 will be badgered to change rules to allow another go at ousting him I suspect - but how can they when Johnson has the support of a decent majority of his MPs?
So JRM is going to call for Boris to resign, right?
I wouldn't count on it. He has already said earlier today he 'regretted' doing it with May, so he set up a position so that he wouldn't have to do it with Boris.
Boris's priority now is to get the rebels back in the fold, by fair means or foul. I wonder when we'll hear the first rebel declare, 'Indeed. I had no confidence in the prime minister way back in June. But since then he's made a concerted attempt to right a lot of wrongs. I believe in giving people a second chance.'
Time for SKS to call a vote of no confidence. Then watch the 148 squirm.
Seems reasonable. A massive number have said they don't have confidence in him as party leader and PM, so he's justified in putting the question. It'd be lost of course, it's political theatre, but it's reasonable to get them to confirm they do have confidence in him after all, if the alternative is bringing him down alongside the opposition.
Not the result I wanted, but a democratic result and that has to be accepted and respected. The MPs have flunked it, but that was their choice and they've made their bed now and its time to move on and let the voters have their say next time.
On no planet will they now draw the line and move on.
How, without losing a confidence vote, is Boris now forced out as quickly as some of you suggesting?
He’s not a resigner.
So what happens to remove him this year?
If he can't fill his cabinet.
(And no, I don't mean with booze).
He'll always be able to fill his Cabinet, there will always be people willing to take the role.
Twice as many as a percentage voted against Corbyn in his Confidence vote and he was still able to fill his Shadow Cabinet with the likes of Keir etc who were willing to work with him despite that.
Tory Party is pathetic. They have lost their hunger to win.
Boris Johnson has done for the English Conservative Party what he did for the London Conservatives when he was Mayor: poisoned the earth so his successors cannot flourish. How long does Boris Roundup last?
2) He's been castrated tonight than euthanised, but the visit to vet to put him down is coming soon
Reminds me of a visit to a friend. We were playing chess while his pooch lay on the beanbag on his back with all four legs in the air, as he liked to do.
I had the most unaccountable feeling of inexplicable anomaly ... anyway, partly (a bit) for that, my friend won, and after some discussion it emerged that the hound had had the snip a few weeks before ...
SKS, this is your moment. Give me a reason to vote for you.
Agreed. I don't see it coming though so inevitably I'll just stay home in 2024 if the Tories haven't removed Boris.
Boris, SKS And Davey. What a poor selection of party leaders. I suppose I am lucky not to be in Scotland and have the awfulness of Sturgeon thrown in there too.
If CP wins, pressure will be off. If CP loses, 1922 will be badgered to change rules to allow another go at ousting him I suspect - but how can they when Johnson has the support of a decent majority of his MPs?
2) He's been castrated tonight rather than euthanised, but the visit to vet to put him down is coming soon
By what mechanism?
Edit: I was referring to 2), not 1)
I expect in the coming months the number of Tory MPs who have no confidence in the Prime Minister will reach 180+ and Sir Graham Brady will amend the rules.
Not the result I wanted, but a democratic result and that has to be accepted and respected. The MPs have flunked it, but that was their choice and they've made their bed now and its time to move on and let the voters have their say next time.
Indeed, Bart.
Deep in the heart of Somerset I hear the sound of laughter and the clinking of glasses from the LD campaign room.
2) He's been castrated tonight rather than euthanised, but the visit to vet to put him down is coming soon
By what mechanism?
Edit: I was referring to 2), not 1)
I expect in the coming months the number of Tory MPs who have no confidence in the Prime Minister will reach 180+ and Sir Graham Brady will amend the rules.
Like i said earlier, the 211 will be crying in 2 months time about how unfair it is they are 15 to 20 points adrift without a hint of self awareness Twats
2) He's been castrated tonight rather than euthanised, but the visit to vet to put him down is coming soon
By what mechanism?
Edit: I was referring to 2), not 1)
I expect in the coming months the number of Tory MPs who have no confidence in the Prime Minister will reach 180+ and Sir Graham Brady will amend the rules.
You think the letters submitted will rise from 54 to 180+?
Tory Party is pathetic. They have lost their hunger to win.
No, they are desperate to win. They have lost their hunger to rule. Boris was supposed to have unified the party with his ruthless ejection of the main remainers before the 2019 election. It hasn't worked. As some American bloke once said, "a house divided against itself cannot stand."
It's just plain tacky. I have no idea if in their regular chats Boris and Zelensky have struck up a decent rapport, but at the end of the day what he wants and needs from a UK PM is as much support as humanly possible, and any UK politician besides Corbyn and his chums would offer that. There was no danger of Zelensky being inconvenienced.
2) He's been castrated tonight rather than euthanised, but the visit to vet to put him down is coming soon
By what mechanism?
Edit: I was referring to 2), not 1)
I expect in the coming months the number of Tory MPs who have no confidence in the Prime Minister will reach 180+ and Sir Graham Brady will amend the rules.
You think the letters submitted will rise from 54 to 180+?
If CP wins, pressure will be off. If CP loses, 1922 will be badgered to change rules to allow another go at ousting him I suspect - but how can they when Johnson has the support of a decent majority of his MPs?
They shot their bolt too early.
Surely the 1922 can only change the rules if a majority want it changing, which surely can't be met by the same people who voted against him today or submitted the letters against him already?
The problem for Boris seems to possibly be a possible personal sanction vote following the Privileges Committee report? 148 against him today wasn't enough to oust him, but 148 voting with Labour and the rest of Parliament could be enough to suspend him from the House couldn't it?
If the cabinet weren’t a collection of spineless wimps he would be getting his marching orders by Friday. Unfortunately enough of them are too supine to do anything about this as has been shown time and time again.
As it stands then the next event in the calendar is the by elections. If they’re catastrophic then it might force further discussion at the 1922.
I think Boris is brazen, but I’m not sure even he can fight on with that level of opposition for another 12 months. This is going to be a running sore.
Of course, brilliant news for Labour every week that this drags on.
Not the result I wanted, but a democratic result and that has to be accepted and respected. The MPs have flunked it, but that was their choice and they've made their bed now and its time to move on and let the voters have their say next time.
Not going to happen.
Not least because Boris will likely find new ways to aggravate either Conservative MPs or the voters and certainly will not learn from his mistakes so will continue the old ways of aggravating either Conservative MPs or the voters.
SKS, this is your moment. Give me a reason to vote for you.
Agreed. I don't see it coming though so inevitably I'll just stay home in 2024 if the Tories haven't removed Boris.
Boris, SKS And Davey. What a poor selection of party leaders. I suppose I am lucky not to be in Scotland and have the awfulness of Sturgeon thrown in there too.
Truly dreadful results in Tiverton and Wakefield may convince him to resign.
He won't resign, he didn't after North Shropshire was lost so why would he resign if Tiverton was lost, though personally I think the Tories will narrowly win it but lose Wakefield
Unless you are a nutcase like Dorries who couldn’t hope to have influence under another leader, why would an MP vote to keep Boris? It makes no sense.
They have gratitude for the big 2019 win. They think anyone else would do worse or reverse on policies they like. They share the (ridiculous) view that voting against the leader is treachery. They think the party needs to unite, and know that won't happen if Boris goes (because Boris won't let it)
Not all of these reasons are sensible or up to date of course.
The only way that I can see Douglas Ross remaining Scottish leader would be if the Scottish party declared UDI. Which would be a very good idea but not something that they are likely to do to protect a leader with 3 announced positions in 3 months on the less than trivial matter of who the PM is.
If CP wins, pressure will be off. If CP loses, 1922 will be badgered to change rules to allow another go at ousting him I suspect - but how can they when Johnson has the support of a decent majority of his MPs?
They shot their bolt too early.
Surely the 1922 can only change the rules if a majority want it changing, which surely can't be met by the same people who voted against him today or submitted the letters against him already?
The problem for Boris seems to possibly be a possible personal sanction vote following the Privileges Committee report? 148 against him today wasn't enough to oust him, but 148 voting with Labour and the rest of Parliament could be enough to suspend him from the House couldn't it?
Fuckin' 'ell it will be something if Tory MPs vote with the Opposition on such a vote. Surely not.
Keir Starmer: "Conservative MPs made their choice tonight. They have ignored the British public and hitched themselves and their party firmly to Boris Johnson, and everything that he represents." https://twitter.com/REWearmouth/status/1533905852268261377
"@Keir_Starmer · 12m The choice is clearer than ever before: Divided Tories propping up Boris Johnson with no plan to tackle the issues you are facing. Or a united Labour Party with a plan to fix the cost of living crisis and restore trust in politics. Labour will get Britain back on track."
Not the result I wanted, but a democratic result and that has to be accepted and respected. The MPs have flunked it, but that was their choice and they've made their bed now and its time to move on and let the voters have their say next time.
Not going to happen.
Not least because Boris will likely find new ways to aggravate either Conservative MPs or the voters and certainly will not learn from his mistakes so will continue the old ways of aggravating either Conservative MPs or the voters.
If its the same MPs aggravated they've shot their bolt already though.
What's going to push another three dozen MPs to switch and to ask the 1922 to change the rules, when they weren't willing to vote against him in a secret ballot today?
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To take the flack for the upcoming election defeats?
To try to hang on as PM longer than TM?
Pretty good call though, Andy. Well done.
Pretty good result for that SKS fellow too. All he has got to do now is avoid having his collar felt and he's laughing kitbags.
He’s not a resigner.
So what happens to remove him this year?
Tiverton and Honiton is crucial.
If CP wins, pressure will be off. If CP loses, 1922 will be badgered to change rules to allow another go at ousting him I suspect - but how can they when Johnson has the support of a decent majority of his MPs?
They shot their bolt too early.
"It's just a flesh wound!"
(And no, I don't mean with booze).
1) He's more fucked than a stepmom on Pornhub.
2) He's been castrated tonight rather than euthanised, but the visit to vet to put him down is coming soon
https://twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/status/1533902276926005249
FPT.
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That is an awful lot of traitorous remoaners in the Tory ranks though, they should screen their candidates more. Seems reasonable. A massive number have said they don't have confidence in him as party leader and PM, so he's justified in putting the question. It'd be lost of course, it's political theatre, but it's reasonable to get them to confirm they do have confidence in him after all, if the alternative is bringing him down alongside the opposition.
Twice as many as a percentage voted against Corbyn in his Confidence vote and he was still able to fill his Shadow Cabinet with the likes of Keir etc who were willing to work with him despite that.
Edit: I was referring to 2), not 1)
A terrible result for Johnson.
An awful result for the Tories.
A disastrous result for the UK.
I had the most unaccountable feeling of inexplicable anomaly ... anyway, partly (a bit) for that, my friend won, and after some discussion it emerged that the hound had had the snip a few weeks before ...
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Nadhim Zahawi says President Zelensky will be 'punching the air' at the PM's 'handsome' victory
https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1533904357657288705
Deep in the heart of Somerset I hear the sound of laughter and the clinking of glasses from the LD campaign room.
Twats
I'm voting SNP.
The problem for Boris seems to possibly be a possible personal sanction vote following the Privileges Committee report? 148 against him today wasn't enough to oust him, but 148 voting with Labour and the rest of Parliament could be enough to suspend him from the House couldn't it?
As it stands then the next event in the calendar is the by elections. If they’re catastrophic then it might force further discussion at the 1922.
I think Boris is brazen, but I’m not sure even he can fight on with that level of opposition for another 12 months. This is going to be a running sore.
Of course, brilliant news for Labour every week that this drags on.
He compared Johnson to May...
Not least because Boris will likely find new ways to aggravate either Conservative MPs or the voters and certainly will not learn from his mistakes so will continue the old ways of aggravating either Conservative MPs or the voters.
But still.
The LDs in T&H and Labour in Wakefield must be cracking open the bubbly tonight.
So far I have written a sentence.
They think anyone else would do worse or reverse on policies they like.
They share the (ridiculous) view that voting against the leader is treachery.
They think the party needs to unite, and know that won't happen if Boris goes (because Boris won't let it)
Not all of these reasons are sensible or up to date of course.
Lily livered Tory MPs.
https://twitter.com/REWearmouth/status/1533905852268261377
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12m
The choice is clearer than ever before:
Divided Tories propping up Boris Johnson with no plan to tackle the issues you are facing.
Or a united Labour Party with a plan to fix the cost of living crisis and restore trust in politics.
Labour will get Britain back on track."
What's going to push another three dozen MPs to switch and to ask the 1922 to change the rules, when they weren't willing to vote against him in a secret ballot today?