Johnson holds on with 58.7% of the vote – politicalbetting.com

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  • tlg86
    tlg86 Posts: 26,950
    edited June 2022
    First.
  • StuartDickson
    StuartDickson Posts: 12,146
    ydoethur said:

    In a sense, that's the worst imaginable result for the Tories. They keep a dud leader, they are associated with his failures and crimes, and they have to explain why he stays in office.

    And at the same time, he's lost pretty much all his authority with his party as well as with the public.

    One instructive thought - I didn't hear Brady say 'no challenge for a year' the way he did three years ago.

    Internal party rules are open for revision.
  • FrancisUrquhart
    FrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,724
    Same time next year....
  • El_Capitano
    El_Capitano Posts: 4,251
    edited June 2022
    Fifth like the Conservatives in Wakefield. Come on @david_herdson, we're rooting for you.
  • mwadams
    mwadams Posts: 3,776
    You have to ask "what's the point in Johnson going on?"

    To take the flack for the upcoming election defeats?

    To try to hang on as PM longer than TM?
  • HYUFD
    HYUFD Posts: 128,924
    4% better than Thatcher got in the first ballot in 1990 though and 13% higher than IDS got in 2003 in his VONC
  • Peter_the_Punter
    Peter_the_Punter Posts: 14,779
    FPT @AndyJS

    Pretty good call though, Andy. Well done.

    Pretty good result for that SKS fellow too. All he has got to do now is avoid having his collar felt and he's laughing kitbags.
  • StuartDickson
    StuartDickson Posts: 12,146
    Farooq said:

    Let the night of the long knives begin

    Alister Jack out? I presume he voted against the PM?
  • Scott_xP
    Scott_xP Posts: 39,295
    timing is everything https://twitter.com/pressgazette/status/1533897765700259845
  • MoonRabbit
    MoonRabbit Posts: 14,381
    How, without losing a confidence vote, is Boris now forced out as quickly as some of you suggesting?

    He’s not a resigner.

    So what happens to remove him this year?
  • Leon
    Leon Posts: 63,049
    The oak stares down at the dwarves. The axe is sheathed. The forest breathes again, and leverets gambol between the primroses
  • Carnyx
    Carnyx Posts: 44,654
    El_Capitano said:

    Fifth like the Conservatives in Wakefield. Come on @david_herdson, we're rooting for you.

    Ooh yes, please. Bring out the full Millstone Grit.
  • ydoethur
    ydoethur Posts: 74,263
    HYUFD said:

    4% better than Thatcher got in the first ballot in 1990 though and 13% higher than IDS got in 2003 in his VONC

    Ironically of course Johnson being one of the ones who voted against IDS in that vote.
  • CatMan
    CatMan Posts: 3,326
    So JRM is going to call for Boris to resign, right? :smirk:

  • HYUFD
    HYUFD Posts: 128,924
    edited June 2022
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Same time next year....

    Nope, the locals were so bad in 2019 which forced May out (28% NEV and over 1000 seats lost) ironically the Tories may even make gains in next year's locals, securing Boris as leader and PM until the next general election in 2024
  • Stocky
    Stocky Posts: 10,337
    edited June 2022
    A better result for Johnson that I thought.

    Tiverton and Honiton is crucial.

    If CP wins, pressure will be off. If CP loses, 1922 will be badgered to change rules to allow another go at ousting him I suspect - but how can they when Johnson has the support of a decent majority of his MPs?

    They shot their bolt too early.
  • Applicant
    Applicant Posts: 3,379
    SKS, this is your moment. Give me a reason to vote for you.
  • Razedabode
    Razedabode Posts: 3,117
    He is done. Awful result
  • ping
    ping Posts: 3,805
    El_Capitano said:

    Fifth like the Conservatives in Wakefield. Come on @david_herdson, we're rooting for you.

    Iirc, there was a survation, today, which had David on 1%.
  • ydoethur
    ydoethur Posts: 74,263
    MoonRabbit said:

    How, without losing a confidence vote, is Boris now forced out as quickly as some of you suggesting?

    He’s not a resigner.

    So what happens to remove him this year?

    If he can't fill his cabinet.

    (And no, I don't mean with booze).
  • Aslan
    Aslan Posts: 1,673
    Tory Party is pathetic. They have lost their hunger to win.
  • oxfordsimon
    oxfordsimon Posts: 5,845
    Time to move on to the reshuffle
  • BartholomewRoberts
    BartholomewRoberts Posts: 25,330
    Not the result I wanted, but a democratic result and that has to be accepted and respected. The MPs have flunked it, but that was their choice and they've made their bed now and its time to move on and let the voters have their say next time.
  • Razedabode
    Razedabode Posts: 3,117
    HYUFD said:

    4% better than Thatcher got in the first ballot in 1990 though and 13% higher than IDS got in 2003 in his VONC

    Well done to Keir Starmer. I hope he governs with a degree of credibility and honour
  • StuartDickson
    StuartDickson Posts: 12,146
    Farooq said:

    StuartDickson said:

    Vote SNP.

    Yes, that's the only option for me now
    Welcome aboard! 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿☀️💐
  • CorrectHorseBattery
    CorrectHorseBattery Posts: 21,436
    He's going to have to call a GE.
  • ydoethur
    ydoethur Posts: 74,263
    ping said:

    El_Capitano said:

    Fifth like the Conservatives in Wakefield. Come on @david_herdson, we're rooting for you.

    Iirc, there was a survation, today, which had David on 1%.
    What nationwide?!!
  • MaxPB
    MaxPB Posts: 40,327
    Applicant said:

    SKS, this is your moment. Give me a reason to vote for you.

    Agreed. I don't see it coming though so inevitably I'll just stay home in 2024 if the Tories haven't removed Boris.
  • CarlottaVance
    CarlottaVance Posts: 60,422
    PM won by 59% to 41%. Convincing? Definitely at the worst end of No 10's expectations.

    https://twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/status/1533902276926005249
  • Pulpstar
    Pulpstar Posts: 79,813
    Stocky said:

    A better result for Johnson that I thought.

    Tiverton and Honiton is crucial.

    If CP wins, pressure will be off. If CP loses, 1922 will be badgered to change rules to allow another go at ousting him I suspect - but how can they when Johnson has the support of a decent majority of his MPs?

    They shot their bolt too early.

    They are going to be demolished in T&H
  • rottenborough
    rottenborough Posts: 66,860
    "One point is that it makes Hunt the clear king over the water - the only credible successor to comes out against Johnson."

    FPT.

    Top comment from @NickPalmer
  • RochdalePioneers
    RochdalePioneers Posts: 30,611
    HYUFD said:

    4% better than Thatcher got in the first ballot in 1990 though and 13% higher than IDS got in 2003 in his VONC

    "draw the line. move on". Its painful, its pitiful, its high quality cabaret. Keep going luv
  • ping
    ping Posts: 3,805
    edited June 2022
    ping said:

    El_Capitano said:

    Fifth like the Conservatives in Wakefield. Come on @david_herdson, we're rooting for you.

    Iirc, there was a survation, today, which had David on 1%.

    Election Maps UK
    @ElectionMapsUK
    Wakefield By-Election Voting Intention:

    LAB: 56% (+16)
    CON: 33% (-14)
    IND: 3% (New)
    RFM: 3% (-3)
    LDM: 2% (-2)
    GRN: 2% (New)
    YSP: 1% (-1)
    BF: 1% (New)

    Via
    @Survation
    , 24 May - 1 Jun.
    Changes w/ GE2019.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1533838241945862144
  • jonny83
    jonny83 Posts: 1,273
    CatMan said:

    So JRM is going to call for Boris to resign, right? :smirk:

    I wouldn't count on it. He has already said earlier today he 'regretted' doing it with May, so he set up a position so that he wouldn't have to do it with Boris.
  • MaxPB
    MaxPB Posts: 40,327
    CorrectHorseBattery said:

    He's going to have to call a GE.

    No chance, he'd lose his seat.
  • Stark_Dawning
    Stark_Dawning Posts: 10,202
    Boris's priority now is to get the rebels back in the fold, by fair means or foul. I wonder when we'll hear the first rebel declare, 'Indeed. I had no confidence in the prime minister way back in June. But since then he's made a concerted attempt to right a lot of wrongs. I believe in giving people a second chance.'
  • kle4
    kle4 Posts: 99,113
    HYUFD is right, Boris is now safe.

    That is an awful lot of traitorous remoaners in the Tory ranks though, they should screen their candidates more.
    SandyRentool said:

    Time for SKS to call a vote of no confidence. Then watch the 148 squirm.

    Seems reasonable. A massive number have said they don't have confidence in him as party leader and PM, so he's justified in putting the question. It'd be lost of course, it's political theatre, but it's reasonable to get them to confirm they do have confidence in him after all, if the alternative is bringing him down alongside the opposition.
  • HYUFD
    HYUFD Posts: 128,924
    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    4% better than Thatcher got in the first ballot in 1990 though and 13% higher than IDS got in 2003 in his VONC

    Ironically of course Johnson being one of the ones who voted against IDS in that vote.
    Boris backed Ken Clarke for leader in 2001 remember, not IDS. He has never been of the hard right, he is a Brexity Heseltine as he himself said
  • Stocky
    Stocky Posts: 10,337
    CorrectHorseBattery said:

    He's going to have to call a GE.

    Why? He's safe for a year unless he resigns (he won't) or 1922 change the rules under his nose.
  • RochdalePioneers
    RochdalePioneers Posts: 30,611
    BartholomewRoberts said:

    Not the result I wanted, but a democratic result and that has to be accepted and respected. The MPs have flunked it, but that was their choice and they've made their bed now and its time to move on and let the voters have their say next time.

    On no planet will they now draw the line and move on.
  • BartholomewRoberts
    BartholomewRoberts Posts: 25,330
    ydoethur said:

    MoonRabbit said:

    How, without losing a confidence vote, is Boris now forced out as quickly as some of you suggesting?

    He’s not a resigner.

    So what happens to remove him this year?

    If he can't fill his cabinet.

    (And no, I don't mean with booze).
    He'll always be able to fill his Cabinet, there will always be people willing to take the role.

    Twice as many as a percentage voted against Corbyn in his Confidence vote and he was still able to fill his Shadow Cabinet with the likes of Keir etc who were willing to work with him despite that.
  • Sunil_Prasannan
    Sunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,077
    pigeon said:

    HYUFD said:

    4% better than Thatcher got in the first ballot in 1990 though and 13% higher than IDS got in 2003 in his VONC

    Sorry, I can resist no longer.

    "It's just a flesh wound!"
    Comical HYUFD.
  • JohnO
    JohnO Posts: 4,312
    CorrectHorseBattery said:

    He's going to have to call a GE.

    Absolutely he won’t be calling an election!
  • Stocky
    Stocky Posts: 10,337
    edited June 2022
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    My predictions hold true.

    1) He's more fucked than a stepmom on Pornhub.

    2) He's been castrated tonight rather than euthanised, but the visit to vet to put him down is coming soon

    By what mechanism?

    Edit: I was referring to 2), not 1)
  • Andy_JS
    Andy_JS Posts: 36,292
    Razedabode said:

    He is done. Awful result

    Truly dreadful results in Tiverton and Wakefield may convince him to resign.
  • StuartDickson
    StuartDickson Posts: 12,146
    Aslan said:

    Tory Party is pathetic. They have lost their hunger to win.

    Boris Johnson has done for the English Conservative Party what he did for the London Conservatives when he was Mayor: poisoned the earth so his successors cannot flourish. How long does Boris Roundup last?
  • Carnyx
    Carnyx Posts: 44,654
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    My predictions hold true.

    1) He's more fucked than a stepmom on Pornhub.

    2) He's been castrated tonight than euthanised, but the visit to vet to put him down is coming soon

    Reminds me of a visit to a friend. We were playing chess while his pooch lay on the beanbag on his back with all four legs in the air, as he liked to do.

    I had the most unaccountable feeling of inexplicable anomaly ... anyway, partly (a bit) for that, my friend won, and after some discussion it emerged that the hound had had the snip a few weeks before ...
  • nico679
    nico679 Posts: 6,277
    A terrible result for the country but a great result for the opposition parties .
  • CarlottaVance
    CarlottaVance Posts: 60,422
    Tory MPs already messaging to say how unhappy they are about dragging the Ukrainian PM into Boris Johnson’s leadership woes…

    Jason Groves@JasonGroves
    Nadhim Zahawi says President Zelensky will be 'punching the air' at the PM's 'handsome' victory

    https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1533904357657288705
  • MoonRabbit
    MoonRabbit Posts: 14,381
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    My predictions hold true.

    1) He's more fucked than a stepmom on Pornhub.

    2) He's been castrated tonight rather than euthanised, but the visit to vet to put him down is coming soon

    How? Technically how? 🤷‍♀️
  • ydoethur
    ydoethur Posts: 74,263
    Simon Hart sounding incredibly passionate *and* incredibly unconvincing on BBC.
  • Aslan
    Aslan Posts: 1,673
    MaxPB said:

    Applicant said:

    SKS, this is your moment. Give me a reason to vote for you.

    Agreed. I don't see it coming though so inevitably I'll just stay home in 2024 if the Tories haven't removed Boris.
    Boris, SKS And Davey. What a poor selection of party leaders. I suppose I am lucky not to be in Scotland and have the awfulness of Sturgeon thrown in there too.
  • Stocky
    Stocky Posts: 10,337
    Pulpstar said:

    Stocky said:

    A better result for Johnson that I thought.

    Tiverton and Honiton is crucial.

    If CP wins, pressure will be off. If CP loses, 1922 will be badgered to change rules to allow another go at ousting him I suspect - but how can they when Johnson has the support of a decent majority of his MPs?

    They shot their bolt too early.

    They are going to be demolished in T&H
    Yes, probably
  • CorrectHorseBattery
    CorrectHorseBattery Posts: 21,436
    Next few weeks, Tories below 30% IMHO
  • TheScreamingEagles
    TheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,806
    Stocky said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    My predictions hold true.

    1) He's more fucked than a stepmom on Pornhub.

    2) He's been castrated tonight rather than euthanised, but the visit to vet to put him down is coming soon

    By what mechanism?

    Edit: I was referring to 2), not 1)
    I expect in the coming months the number of Tory MPs who have no confidence in the Prime Minister will reach 180+ and Sir Graham Brady will amend the rules.
  • MaxPB
    MaxPB Posts: 40,327
    JohnO said:

    CorrectHorseBattery said:

    He's going to have to call a GE.

    Absolutely he won’t be calling an election!
    Yes, it's the least likely of the scenarios of what happens next. Boris would lose his seat.
  • RobD
    RobD Posts: 60,608
    CorrectHorseBattery said:

    He's going to have to call a GE.

    But why?
  • El_Capitano
    El_Capitano Posts: 4,251
    RochdalePioneers said:

    HYUFD said:

    4% better than Thatcher got in the first ballot in 1990 though and 13% higher than IDS got in 2003 in his VONC

    "draw the line. move on". Its painful, its pitiful, its high quality cabaret. Keep going luv
    I feel that we should defer to Michael Gove on the subject of lines.
  • mickydroy
    mickydroy Posts: 316
    All comes down to the next election, strongly believe there will be a lot of votes, for the anything but Tory Party
  • Peter_the_Punter
    Peter_the_Punter Posts: 14,779
    BartholomewRoberts said:

    Not the result I wanted, but a democratic result and that has to be accepted and respected. The MPs have flunked it, but that was their choice and they've made their bed now and its time to move on and let the voters have their say next time.

    Indeed, Bart.

    Deep in the heart of Somerset I hear the sound of laughter and the clinking of glasses from the LD campaign room.
  • Aslan
    Aslan Posts: 1,673
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Stocky said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    My predictions hold true.

    1) He's more fucked than a stepmom on Pornhub.

    2) He's been castrated tonight rather than euthanised, but the visit to vet to put him down is coming soon

    By what mechanism?

    Edit: I was referring to 2), not 1)
    I expect in the coming months the number of Tory MPs who have no confidence in the Prime Minister will reach 180+ and Sir Graham Brady will amend the rules.
    What is the process for amending the rules?
  • Stocky
    Stocky Posts: 10,337
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Stocky said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    My predictions hold true.

    1) He's more fucked than a stepmom on Pornhub.

    2) He's been castrated tonight rather than euthanised, but the visit to vet to put him down is coming soon

    By what mechanism?

    Edit: I was referring to 2), not 1)
    I expect in the coming months the number of Tory MPs who have no confidence in the Prime Minister will reach 180+ and Sir Graham Brady will amend the rules.
    You think the letters submitted will rise from 54 to 180+?
  • Jonathan
    Jonathan Posts: 22,107
    Blukip 1 - Conservatives 0
  • pigeon
    pigeon Posts: 5,173
    Aslan said:

    Tory Party is pathetic. They have lost their hunger to win.

    Probably a load of Bufton-Tufton's with enormous majorities, buying into the "a period in opposition would do the party good" schtick.
  • RochdalePioneers
    RochdalePioneers Posts: 30,611
    StuartDickson said:

    Farooq said:

    StuartDickson said:

    Vote SNP.

    Yes, that's the only option for me now
    Welcome aboard! 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿☀️💐
    Duguid voted confidence.

    I'm voting SNP.
  • DavidL
    DavidL Posts: 55,867
    Aslan said:

    Tory Party is pathetic. They have lost their hunger to win.

    No, they are desperate to win. They have lost their hunger to rule. Boris was supposed to have unified the party with his ruthless ejection of the main remainers before the 2019 election. It hasn't worked. As some American bloke once said, "a house divided against itself cannot stand."
  • kle4
    kle4 Posts: 99,113
    edited June 2022
    CarlottaVance said:

    Tory MPs already messaging to say how unhappy they are about dragging the Ukrainian PM into Boris Johnson’s leadership woes…

    Jason Groves@JasonGroves
    Nadhim Zahawi says President Zelensky will be 'punching the air' at the PM's 'handsome' victory

    https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1533904357657288705

    It's just plain tacky. I have no idea if in their regular chats Boris and Zelensky have struck up a decent rapport, but at the end of the day what he wants and needs from a UK PM is as much support as humanly possible, and any UK politician besides Corbyn and his chums would offer that. There was no danger of Zelensky being inconvenienced.
  • TheValiant
    TheValiant Posts: 2,018
    mwadams said:

    You have to ask "what's the point in Johnson going on?"

    To take the flack for the upcoming election defeats?

    To try to hang on as PM longer than TM?

    The second. This table is all that matters to him: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_prime_ministers_of_the_United_Kingdom_by_length_of_tenure
  • Aslan
    Aslan Posts: 1,673
    Unless you are a nutcase like Dorries who couldn’t hope to have influence under another leader, why would an MP vote to keep Boris? It makes no sense.
  • Mexicanpete
    Mexicanpete Posts: 33,115
    Hangin', floggin' and a vanity war incoming.
  • TheScreamingEagles
    TheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,806
    Stocky said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Stocky said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    My predictions hold true.

    1) He's more fucked than a stepmom on Pornhub.

    2) He's been castrated tonight rather than euthanised, but the visit to vet to put him down is coming soon

    By what mechanism?

    Edit: I was referring to 2), not 1)
    I expect in the coming months the number of Tory MPs who have no confidence in the Prime Minister will reach 180+ and Sir Graham Brady will amend the rules.
    You think the letters submitted will rise from 54 to 180+?
    Yes.
  • Eabhal
    Eabhal Posts: 11,275
    Does Ross resign?
  • StuartDickson
    StuartDickson Posts: 12,146
    nico679 said:

    A terrible result for the country but a great result for the opposition parties .

    Drakeford, Sturgeon, Starmer, Lucas, Davey and O’Neill will all be grinning like Cheshire Cats.
  • BartholomewRoberts
    BartholomewRoberts Posts: 25,330
    Stocky said:

    A better result for Johnson that I thought.

    Tiverton and Honiton is crucial.

    If CP wins, pressure will be off. If CP loses, 1922 will be badgered to change rules to allow another go at ousting him I suspect - but how can they when Johnson has the support of a decent majority of his MPs?

    They shot their bolt too early.

    Surely the 1922 can only change the rules if a majority want it changing, which surely can't be met by the same people who voted against him today or submitted the letters against him already?

    The problem for Boris seems to possibly be a possible personal sanction vote following the Privileges Committee report? 148 against him today wasn't enough to oust him, but 148 voting with Labour and the rest of Parliament could be enough to suspend him from the House couldn't it?
  • tlg86
    tlg86 Posts: 26,950
    Keir Starmer giving a statement.
  • numbertwelve
    numbertwelve Posts: 7,728
    If the cabinet weren’t a collection of spineless wimps he would be getting his marching orders by Friday. Unfortunately enough of them are too supine to do anything about this as has been shown time and time again.

    As it stands then the next event in the calendar is the by elections. If they’re catastrophic then it might force further discussion at the 1922.

    I think Boris is brazen, but I’m not sure even he can fight on with that level of opposition for another 12 months. This is going to be a running sore.

    Of course, brilliant news for Labour every week that this drags on.
  • Casino_Royale
    Casino_Royale Posts: 63,687
    Stocky said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    My predictions hold true.

    1) He's more fucked than a stepmom on Pornhub.

    2) He's been castrated tonight rather than euthanised, but the visit to vet to put him down is coming soon

    By what mechanism?

    Edit: I was referring to 2), not 1)
    Well, quite. If he has no honour to quit (and he doesn't) then it's 5th June 2023 for a re-run.
  • ydoethur
    ydoethur Posts: 74,263
    Simon Hart has just committed career suicide.

    He compared Johnson to May...
  • another_richard
    another_richard Posts: 27,927
    BartholomewRoberts said:

    Not the result I wanted, but a democratic result and that has to be accepted and respected. The MPs have flunked it, but that was their choice and they've made their bed now and its time to move on and let the voters have their say next time.

    Not going to happen.

    Not least because Boris will likely find new ways to aggravate either Conservative MPs or the voters and certainly will not learn from his mistakes so will continue the old ways of aggravating either Conservative MPs or the voters.
  • Carnyx
    Carnyx Posts: 44,654
    Eabhal said:

    Does Ross resign?

    Who knows? Depends on the time of day.
  • Applicant
    Applicant Posts: 3,379
    Aslan said:

    MaxPB said:

    Applicant said:

    SKS, this is your moment. Give me a reason to vote for you.

    Agreed. I don't see it coming though so inevitably I'll just stay home in 2024 if the Tories haven't removed Boris.
    Boris, SKS And Davey. What a poor selection of party leaders. I suppose I am lucky not to be in Scotland and have the awfulness of Sturgeon thrown in there too.
    I mean, it's not as bad as 2019.

    But still.
  • HYUFD
    HYUFD Posts: 128,924
    Andy_JS said:

    Razedabode said:

    He is done. Awful result

    Truly dreadful results in Tiverton and Wakefield may convince him to resign.
    He won't resign, he didn't after North Shropshire was lost so why would he resign if Tiverton was lost, though personally I think the Tories will narrowly win it but lose Wakefield
  • Razedabode
    Razedabode Posts: 3,117
    Such a gift for starmer. On sky news now, union jacks either side.
  • RochdalePioneers
    RochdalePioneers Posts: 30,611
    El_Capitano said:

    RochdalePioneers said:

    HYUFD said:

    4% better than Thatcher got in the first ballot in 1990 though and 13% higher than IDS got in 2003 in his VONC

    "draw the line. move on". Its painful, its pitiful, its high quality cabaret. Keep going luv
    I feel that we should defer to Michael Gove on the subject of lines.
    Govey moves on from the line. To the next line.
  • OllyT
    OllyT Posts: 5,050
    The Tory MPs have nailed their colours to the mast, no-one can have any sympathy for them for what happens in the future.

    The LDs in T&H and Labour in Wakefield must be cracking open the bubbly tonight.
  • kle4
    kle4 Posts: 99,113
    Aslan said:

    Unless you are a nutcase like Dorries who couldn’t hope to have influence under another leader, why would an MP vote to keep Boris? It makes no sense.

    They have gratitude for the big 2019 win.
    They think anyone else would do worse or reverse on policies they like.
    They share the (ridiculous) view that voting against the leader is treachery.
    They think the party needs to unite, and know that won't happen if Boris goes (because Boris won't let it)

    Not all of these reasons are sensible or up to date of course.
  • Stocky
    Stocky Posts: 10,337
    BartholomewRoberts said:

    Stocky said:

    A better result for Johnson that I thought.

    Tiverton and Honiton is crucial.

    If CP wins, pressure will be off. If CP loses, 1922 will be badgered to change rules to allow another go at ousting him I suspect - but how can they when Johnson has the support of a decent majority of his MPs?

    They shot their bolt too early.

    Surely the 1922 can only change the rules if a majority want it changing, which surely can't be met by the same people who voted against him today or submitted the letters against him already?

    The problem for Boris seems to possibly be a possible personal sanction vote following the Privileges Committee report? 148 against him today wasn't enough to oust him, but 148 voting with Labour and the rest of Parliament could be enough to suspend him from the House couldn't it?
    Fuckin' 'ell it will be something if Tory MPs vote with the Opposition on such a vote. Surely not.
  • Scott_xP
    Scott_xP Posts: 39,295
    Keir Starmer: "Conservative MPs made their choice tonight. They have ignored the British public and hitched themselves and their party firmly to Boris Johnson, and everything that he represents."
    https://twitter.com/REWearmouth/status/1533905852268261377
  • rottenborough
    rottenborough Posts: 66,860
    tlg86 said:

    Keir Starmer giving a statement.

    Can he wipe the smile off his face?
  • Stocky
    Stocky Posts: 10,337
    TOPPING said:

    Goddam it. Two votes (against) away from a payout.

    Lily livered Tory MPs.

    +1
  • Andy_JS
    Andy_JS Posts: 36,292
    "@Keir_Starmer
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    The choice is clearer than ever before:
    Divided Tories propping up Boris Johnson with no plan to tackle the issues you are facing.
    Or a united Labour Party with a plan to fix the cost of living crisis and restore trust in politics.
    Labour will get Britain back on track."
  • BartholomewRoberts
    BartholomewRoberts Posts: 25,330
    another_richard said:

    BartholomewRoberts said:

    Not the result I wanted, but a democratic result and that has to be accepted and respected. The MPs have flunked it, but that was their choice and they've made their bed now and its time to move on and let the voters have their say next time.

    Not going to happen.

    Not least because Boris will likely find new ways to aggravate either Conservative MPs or the voters and certainly will not learn from his mistakes so will continue the old ways of aggravating either Conservative MPs or the voters.
    If its the same MPs aggravated they've shot their bolt already though.

    What's going to push another three dozen MPs to switch and to ask the 1922 to change the rules, when they weren't willing to vote against him in a secret ballot today?
  • Jonathan
    Jonathan Posts: 22,107
    Starmer, brilliant.
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