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    noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 20,708
    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    Zverev v Alcaraz has been pretty good. Shame that they're on the same side of the draw as Nadal and Djokovic.

    The boy is a bit special.
    Alcaraz? Agreed, but Zverev did well to come through in the end. Great tie break.
    Yes, he is finally the successor to Federer, Nadal and Djokovic.
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    RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 27,190
    In other news the Gulag for Refugees planned to be opened in North Yorkshire has run into trouble. Locals don't want their village turned into Guantanamo Bay and the Home Office keeps not making a decision.

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/may/31/plan-to-move-1500-asylum-seekers-to-yorkshire-village-hit-by-delay
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    BannedinnParisBannedinnParis Posts: 1,884

    Breaking news

    Keir Starmer and Angela Rayner receive questionnaires from Durham Police re beergate

    but ... they said Angela wasn't there ...
    Have they said Boris wasn't there? That would be the kicker.
    Is it really a party otherwise?
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    Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 25,393
    We need to be sending people to Rwanda for it to discourage anyone from getting on a dinghy and setting sail for our rainy haven. This is welcome news therefore.

    I quite like the Government being in desperation mode. It would be nice if they were so desperate to placate the voting public all the time.
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,256

    HYUFD said:

    Interesting to see from earlier posts in this thread I am now described as a Fascist on here, which is apparently what those still loyal to Boris are now described as. Heaven help those posters if they ever faced a real Fascist government!

    I find the way some throw fascist around deeply unpleasant and of course you are not fascist and neither is Boris
    But he would be, if he thought it would do him any good - that’s the real point.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,983

    HYUFD said:

    Having been away at my godfather's funeral this afternoon, I see from earlier posts in this thread I am now described as a Fascist on here, which is apparently what those still loyal to Boris are now described as. Heaven help those posters if they ever faced a real Fascist government!

    Its on its way sweetie. Its what you want. Remember, you earlier said that people who don't vote for you can be ignored by government. That is not the function of government. And your government is moving to silence its critics. Dismantle the rule of law.
    If that was really the case you would already have been interned long ago, without trial!
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    MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 12,415
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    YES!!!!


    *airpunch*


    “Rwanda deportation: First migrants to be sent to east African country in a fortnight, says Home Office“”

    https://news.sky.com/story/rwanda-deportation-first-migrants-to-be-sent-to-east-african-country-in-a-fortnight-says-home-office-12624907

    GET IN

    And just imagine how furious you'll be when the courts put the flights on hold because of legal challenges. You will be incandescent and you will heap hate on the lefty lawyers and the judicial establishment. And so the government's culture war strategy will be vindicated once more and on we will go.

    Jesus F Sodding Christ. Do I really need to spell this out?

    It was a joke AIMED at this ludicrous Tory “policy” which the Tory government has no intention of applying in any way that makes sense (ie you have to do it to everyone, like Australia, or it won’t work) because the Tories are futile cowards, scared of the BBC

    If I thought the Tories might actually get all Australian on these migrants, and actually deport them, I would not “air punch”. It would be a grim and ugly necessity, something to be sadly regretted, and reluctantly accepted, not celebrated

    I did me comment to see what daft Lefties would get outraged. An IQ test. You failed
    I knew you joking and teasing.

    There isn’t anyone in this country… I’ll rephrase that, there is no UK citizen anywhere in the world who actually believes this costly policy will actually work to get THAT excited about it.

    But it is a damaging issue for the incumbent conservatives, if not this “fig leaf” proposal, what real policy can they turn to?

    I havn’t a clue. These people are not just fleeing oppression, be it tribal, political, sexual, war, poverty, lack of future if they keep going through many other countries to come here - There is this ‘Dick Whittington’ mentality about the people crossing third of the world, through other countries, risking their lives just to come here - whilst they have that in their heads what can you Really do? Germany wants them, yet they want to be here. What can you do?
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    RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 27,190
    IanB2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Interesting to see from earlier posts in this thread I am now described as a Fascist on here, which is apparently what those still loyal to Boris are now described as. Heaven help those posters if they ever faced a real Fascist government!

    I find the way some throw fascist around deeply unpleasant and of course you are not fascist and neither is Boris
    But he would be, if he thought it would do him any good - that’s the real point.
    And the excuse is "he's not fascist, he's a very naughty boy" who has adopted a whole load of policies and ideals from the fascist play book. Is he Mosley? Course not. But in 2022 Mosley wouldn't be 1932 Mosley either. He'd be more like Farage who also exhibits policies and ideals from the fascist play book.
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    StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 14,413
    IanB2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Interesting to see from earlier posts in this thread I am now described as a Fascist on here, which is apparently what those still loyal to Boris are now described as. Heaven help those posters if they ever faced a real Fascist government!

    I find the way some throw fascist around deeply unpleasant and of course you are not fascist and neither is Boris
    But he would be, if he thought it would do him any good - that’s the real point.
    Nah. He's too lazy to be a proper fascist.

    [Ironic Ken Livingstone mode=ON]
    Say what you like about Hitler and Muss, but they put the hours in.
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    RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 27,190
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Having been away at my godfather's funeral this afternoon, I see from earlier posts in this thread I am now described as a Fascist on here, which is apparently what those still loyal to Boris are now described as. Heaven help those posters if they ever faced a real Fascist government!

    Its on its way sweetie. Its what you want. Remember, you earlier said that people who don't vote for you can be ignored by government. That is not the function of government. And your government is moving to silence its critics. Dismantle the rule of law.
    If that was really the case you would already have been interned long ago, without trial!
    Considering that this government is trying to inter people without trial at RAF Linton-upon-Ouse, you say that without any irony. And that it attacks judges and lawyers whilst undermining the rule of law. Because if lawyers can make the legal case in the high court to show that your lot are acting illegally, the fault isn't your lot acting illegally. No, its the fault of the judges and lawyers. And when the media report this then we need to find ways to stop them dissenting. And when people protest we need to clamp down on that as well. MPs not being pliant? Simply dissolve parliament and rule by decree.

    Call it what you want. The demolition of our society and the framework that protects us is there to see. And you would go further would you not?
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    StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 14,413

    In other news the Gulag for Refugees planned to be opened in North Yorkshire has run into trouble. Locals don't want their village turned into Guantanamo Bay and the Home Office keeps not making a decision.

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/may/31/plan-to-move-1500-asylum-seekers-to-yorkshire-village-hit-by-delay

    So the Yorkshire prong of the asylum plan has higher capacity than the Rwanda prong?

    Colour me totes unsurprised.
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,256
    edited May 2022

    IanB2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Interesting to see from earlier posts in this thread I am now described as a Fascist on here, which is apparently what those still loyal to Boris are now described as. Heaven help those posters if they ever faced a real Fascist government!

    I find the way some throw fascist around deeply unpleasant and of course you are not fascist and neither is Boris
    But he would be, if he thought it would do him any good - that’s the real point.
    Nah. He's too lazy to be a proper fascist.

    [Ironic Ken Livingstone mode=ON]
    Say what you like about Hitler and Muss, but they put the hours in.
    Yes, but this and the comments above miss the essential point.

    If there were a viable route to becoming a fascist - dispensing with democracy and using a combination of political power and brute force to stay in power - both Johnson and Trump would take it like a shot. That they didn’t and haven’t is testament to the strength of our institutions - political, judicial, media - and social culture, rather than any intrinsic merit or integrity on the part of the two potential gangsters themselves. And the US has the more to worry about on that score.

    For reassurance, look to whether said individuals are working to re-enforce, or undermine, said institutions….
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    TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 40,022

    kle4 said:

    Farooq said:

    Two things. Firstly, judging by the way everyone is talking on here, the only thing now that can save Boris is something the causes a deep and immediate political freeze that lasts the few weeks and distracts the public. So, er, long live the King I guess.

    You're not following your thoughts on fascism to their logical conclusion:

    @IndiaWilloughby
    When the Queen dies, wouldn’t be surprised if Boris appoints himself Fuhrer and assumes total control. That’s how close I think Britain is to Nazi Germany.


    https://twitter.com/IndiaWilloughby/status/1528554584481927173
    Perhaps I am naiive, but I think we are slightly further away from Nazi Germany than that.
    We haven't even got to the cabaret club stage.

    For shame.
    Reached the depraved sex stage though: overweight pole dancers wrapped in UJs, sexy tractors, the possibility that someone might bump uglies with Fabricant, it's like a heavy night on Potsdamer Strasse.
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    CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 39,663

    In other news the Gulag for Refugees planned to be opened in North Yorkshire has run into trouble. Locals don't want their village turned into Guantanamo Bay and the Home Office keeps not making a decision.

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/may/31/plan-to-move-1500-asylum-seekers-to-yorkshire-village-hit-by-delay

    So the Yorkshire prong of the asylum plan has higher capacity than the Rwanda prong?

    Colour me totes unsurprised.
    Hmm, the village would end up with 3.5x as many people as before. No idea how many lived on the airfield when it was a Raff base but there couldn't have been that many crab fats there?? And that doesn't take into account the prison guards, sorry contractors, working there.

    I do wonder if the HO thought to check a few details, like power supply and sewerage capacity. No wonder the local council is not happy about not being allowed to check for breaches of planning guidelines.
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    CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 39,663

    kle4 said:

    Farooq said:

    Two things. Firstly, judging by the way everyone is talking on here, the only thing now that can save Boris is something the causes a deep and immediate political freeze that lasts the few weeks and distracts the public. So, er, long live the King I guess.

    You're not following your thoughts on fascism to their logical conclusion:

    @IndiaWilloughby
    When the Queen dies, wouldn’t be surprised if Boris appoints himself Fuhrer and assumes total control. That’s how close I think Britain is to Nazi Germany.


    https://twitter.com/IndiaWilloughby/status/1528554584481927173
    Perhaps I am naiive, but I think we are slightly further away from Nazi Germany than that.
    We haven't even got to the cabaret club stage.

    For shame.
    Reached the depraved sex stage though: overweight pole dancers wrapped in UJs, sexy tractors, the possibility that someone might bump uglies with Fabricant, it's like a heavy night on Potsdamer Strasse.
    IIRC they had specialist nightvclubs/streets for every kink in Weimar Berlin, if Philip Kerr's novels are any guide.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,859

    Sandpit said:

    dixiedean said:

    Shortages of GPs. The BBC has published a map, and I had expected it would correlate with Brexit, via left-behind and declining towns, but instead its most striking feature is the clear division between east and west. There are more doctors per 100,000 patients in the west half of the country. Not Brexit country; not the prosperous Home Counties or South-East either.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-61598158

    Northumberland right at the top of the supply there.
    Which is wondrous cos it's three weeks here to see a GP.
    Better or deid by the time you see anyone.
    Jeremy Hunt's new book Zero mentions that he did persuade Theresa May to open medical schools and train more doctors. Hunt says he recruited 3,000 more GPs a year but it made no difference as existing GPs retired or moved to part-time working.
    You can't really say it out loud, but the number of GPs who are women is pretty disastrous. They all seem to be part-time. That obviously impacts in the surgeries but also means the medical schools are so less productive as they are full of female students who will also go part-time after a few years. But, as I say, you can't say this out loud.
    Yes, say it quietly, but it’s a huge problem for the NHS if half the doctors they’re training up don’t make it 10 years in the profession before an extended sabbatical, possibly followed by another decade or two of part time work.
    Junior doctors taking years out is common. It may be one issue is that doctors need to choose their training paths too far in advance. Another might be that medical school recruitment is picking up the wrong people — any sixth former who gets top grades in science subjects will see medicine as one of the best paid and highest status options.
    Indeed. It’s a really difficult problem to solve, but the reality on the ground is that a lot of women doctors spend as much time studying and training, as they end up spending in practice.

    These women will have gone into the profession looking forward to a long career, but will mostly ‘marry well’, often to another doctor, lawyer or similar professional, and will take extended leave when the first child comes along, often until the last child is at secondary school, before returning part time. It’s a great example of where social science meets reality.

    There will, of course, be a lot of exceptions to this generalisation, but there has been a lot of research on the subject in recent years.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,953
    edited May 2022
    Sandpit said:

    dixiedean said:

    Shortages of GPs. The BBC has published a map, and I had expected it would correlate with Brexit, via left-behind and declining towns, but instead its most striking feature is the clear division between east and west. There are more doctors per 100,000 patients in the west half of the country. Not Brexit country; not the prosperous Home Counties or South-East either.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-61598158

    Northumberland right at the top of the supply there.
    Which is wondrous cos it's three weeks here to see a GP.
    Better or deid by the time you see anyone.
    Jeremy Hunt's new book Zero mentions that he did persuade Theresa May to open medical schools and train more doctors. Hunt says he recruited 3,000 more GPs a year but it made no difference as existing GPs retired or moved to part-time working.
    You can't really say it out loud, but the number of GPs who are women is pretty disastrous. They all seem to be part-time. That obviously impacts in the surgeries but also means the medical schools are so less productive as they are full of female students who will also go part-time after a few years. But, as I say, you can't say this out loud.
    Yes, say it quietly, but it’s a huge problem for the NHS if half the doctors they’re training up don’t make it 10 years in the profession before an extended sabbatical, possibly followed by another decade or two of part time work.
    It's much more of a problem for hospital work than for GPs, mind.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,983
    edited May 2022
    Nadine Dorries announces Bradford as UK city of culture 2025
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,953
    Leon said:

    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    dixiedean said:

    Shortages of GPs. The BBC has published a map, and I had expected it would correlate with Brexit, via left-behind and declining towns, but instead its most striking feature is the clear division between east and west. There are more doctors per 100,000 patients in the west half of the country. Not Brexit country; not the prosperous Home Counties or South-East either.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-61598158

    Northumberland right at the top of the supply there.
    Which is wondrous cos it's three weeks here to see a GP.
    Better or deid by the time you see anyone.
    Jeremy Hunt's new book Zero mentions that he did persuade Theresa May to open medical schools and train more doctors. Hunt says he recruited 3,000 more GPs a year but it made no difference as existing GPs retired or moved to part-time working.
    You can't really say it out loud, but the number of GPs who are women is pretty disastrous. They all seem to be part-time. That obviously impacts in the surgeries but also means the medical schools are so less productive as they are full of female students who will also go part-time after a few years. But, as I say, you can't say this out loud.
    So, wait, you're lamenting the fact that the majority of GPs are women. Have I understood that right?
    No. I'm lamenting the fact that we don't have enough GPs because so many are part-time. And there is indisputably a link to that being because so many are women. Very few men go part-time. It's just a fact and probably needs to be taken into account when it comes to workforce planning.
    So, what do you want to do? Recruit more doctors? Force part timers to work full time?
    It’s a well known problem in healthcare. One thing is too look at recruitment to uni courses. Why are they now dominated by women? Are we sending out the wrong messages? Have we pushed women’s careers so well at the detriment of men’s? Even simple things such as choice of photos in a propectus. Does your course onl6 show women in its photos?
    And then for those in the profession. Of course many will want part time work. Pay is good, they are often married to other good earners too and there is more to life than work. I’m not sure what the answer is to that.
    So... men are put off from becoming doctors because they don't feel represented in prospectuses?

    Are we really having this discussion? I feel like someone's spiked me or something.
    It’s a real thing. One of the ways we have tried to encourag3 more women into subjects is to make sure the profession looks like them. So for engineering you will see plenty of female engineers in prospectuses, even when the courses are 80-90 % male. Healthcare has it the other way. You may think it sounds stupid, but it’s not. It is of course not the only thing that can be done.
    "Healthcare" is a broad church.
    But there's no way in hell I'm accepting that there's a perception amongst boys about doctors being a "female" profession.
    I certainly accept that many jobs are seen as gendered and that perception needs to be taken account of. But in the popular imagination, doctors are men. I think a lot of people would be surprised to learn that most GPs are female. It's not a this-is-not-for-me problem. The "lack" of male doctors is down to something else.
    You’re wrong. You’re even wrong in my case

    When I think “GP” I now think, if I gender it: “Woman”. Because at my central London surgery 76% of the GPs are women and have been so for 20 years., The receptionists are also women. The people who do my blood tests (I am hypothyroid) are also women. Nurses are women. Healthcare is female, and this goes to the top. And I am a middle aged git, heading to my 60s

    So for much younger British people the idea of “doctor” must now skew heavily female

    Surgeons still skew male, IIRC. But other than that - neurology, psychology, anesthesia, GPs, nurses, etc. - it skews female.
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,192

    kle4 said:

    Farooq said:

    Two things. Firstly, judging by the way everyone is talking on here, the only thing now that can save Boris is something the causes a deep and immediate political freeze that lasts the few weeks and distracts the public. So, er, long live the King I guess.

    You're not following your thoughts on fascism to their logical conclusion:

    @IndiaWilloughby
    When the Queen dies, wouldn’t be surprised if Boris appoints himself Fuhrer and assumes total control. That’s how close I think Britain is to Nazi Germany.


    https://twitter.com/IndiaWilloughby/status/1528554584481927173
    Perhaps I am naiive, but I think we are slightly further away from Nazi Germany than that.
    We haven't even got to the cabaret club stage.

    For shame.
    We are at the inflation stage though...

    :smile:
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    MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 12,415
    HYUFD said:

    Native Dorries announces Bradford as UK city of culture 2025

    You are joking 🫣
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,192

    Number 10 has had a busy day. Ringing round MPs promising to sack junior ministers and promote them if they back him. And apparently an all day operation trying to persuade Geight not to resign https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1531696290349948930

    If they believe a Johnson promise then they have learnt absolutely nothing in last two years.


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    MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 25,137
    edited May 2022
    Just caught a headline, "Starmer and Rayner issued with..."

    Looks bad.
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    StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 14,413
    IanB2 said:

    IanB2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Interesting to see from earlier posts in this thread I am now described as a Fascist on here, which is apparently what those still loyal to Boris are now described as. Heaven help those posters if they ever faced a real Fascist government!

    I find the way some throw fascist around deeply unpleasant and of course you are not fascist and neither is Boris
    But he would be, if he thought it would do him any good - that’s the real point.
    Nah. He's too lazy to be a proper fascist.

    [Ironic Ken Livingstone mode=ON]
    Say what you like about Hitler and Muss, but they put the hours in.
    Yes, but this and the comments above miss the essential point.

    If there were a viable route to becoming a fascist - dispensing with democracy and using a combination of political power and brute force to stay in power - both Johnson and Trump would take it like a shot. That they didn’t and haven’t is testament to the strength of our institutions - political, judicial, media - and social culture, rather than any intrinsic merit or integrity on the part of the two potential gangsters themselves. And the US has the more to worry about on that score.

    For reassurance, look to whether said individuals are working to re-enforce, or undermine, said institutions….
    Which is why, when push comes to shove, it's better to be a Brit than a Yank.

    UK institutions have been badly bruised by the last few years, and when this is over, some fortification wouldn't go amiss.

    But we're in a better place than the USA.
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,192

    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges
    ·
    1h
    Like I said on Sunday, the only way Partygate ends is with a leadership contest. There is no other way to draw a line under all this.
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    DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 24,324
    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    dixiedean said:

    Shortages of GPs. The BBC has published a map, and I had expected it would correlate with Brexit, via left-behind and declining towns, but instead its most striking feature is the clear division between east and west. There are more doctors per 100,000 patients in the west half of the country. Not Brexit country; not the prosperous Home Counties or South-East either.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-61598158

    Northumberland right at the top of the supply there.
    Which is wondrous cos it's three weeks here to see a GP.
    Better or deid by the time you see anyone.
    Jeremy Hunt's new book Zero mentions that he did persuade Theresa May to open medical schools and train more doctors. Hunt says he recruited 3,000 more GPs a year but it made no difference as existing GPs retired or moved to part-time working.
    You can't really say it out loud, but the number of GPs who are women is pretty disastrous. They all seem to be part-time. That obviously impacts in the surgeries but also means the medical schools are so less productive as they are full of female students who will also go part-time after a few years. But, as I say, you can't say this out loud.
    So, wait, you're lamenting the fact that the majority of GPs are women. Have I understood that right?
    No. I'm lamenting the fact that we don't have enough GPs because so many are part-time. And there is indisputably a link to that being because so many are women. Very few men go part-time. It's just a fact and probably needs to be taken into account when it comes to workforce planning.
    So, what do you want to do? Recruit more doctors? Force part timers to work full time?
    It’s a well known problem in healthcare. One thing is too look at recruitment to uni courses. Why are they now dominated by women? Are we sending out the wrong messages? Have we pushed women’s careers so well at the detriment of men’s? Even simple things such as choice of photos in a propectus. Does your course onl6 show women in its photos?
    And then for those in the profession. Of course many will want part time work. Pay is good, they are often married to other good earners too and there is more to life than work. I’m not sure what the answer is to that.
    So... men are put off from becoming doctors because they don't feel represented in prospectuses?

    Are we really having this discussion? I feel like someone's spiked me or something.
    It’s a real thing. One of the ways we have tried to encourag3 more women into subjects is to make sure the profession looks like them. So for engineering you will see plenty of female engineers in prospectuses, even when the courses are 80-90 % male. Healthcare has it the other way. You may think it sounds stupid, but it’s not. It is of course not the only thing that can be done.
    "Healthcare" is a broad church.
    But there's no way in hell I'm accepting that there's a perception amongst boys about doctors being a "female" profession.
    I certainly accept that many jobs are seen as gendered and that perception needs to be taken account of. But in the popular imagination, doctors are men. I think a lot of people would be surprised to learn that most GPs are female. It's not a this-is-not-for-me problem. The "lack" of male doctors is down to something else.
    You’re wrong. You’re even wrong in my case

    When I think “GP” I now think, if I gender it: “Woman”. Because at my central London surgery 76% of the GPs are women and have been so for 20 years., The receptionists are also women. The people who do my blood tests (I am hypothyroid) are also women. Nurses are women. Healthcare is female, and this goes to the top. And I am a middle aged git, heading to my 60s

    So for much younger British people the idea of “doctor” must now skew heavily female

    Surgeons still skew male, IIRC. But other than that - neurology, psychology, anesthesia, GPs, nurses, etc. - it skews female.
    The interesting speciality in that regard is obstetrics & gynaecology. Here it is abbreviated to obs & gynae, and there are still lots of male consultants. Americans call it obgyn, pronouncing each letter separately, and it has turned overwhelmingly female over the past couple of decades. Fans of the book and recent television series, This Is Going To Hurt, may also know it as brats and twats.
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    Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 9,298

    Just caught a headline, "Starmer and Rayner issued with..."

    Looks bad.

    Just as one thought Boris's luck had finally run out.
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,607
    As a Spurs fan it all feels very odd that we've already signed two players before the window has properly opened and we've got two likely signings in Spence and Bastoni to be completed in the next week or so and 3-4 more to come.

    Baby Jen truly has been born into a different era, long may it continue.
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    RogerRoger Posts: 18,891
    A must listen! Interview with Dominc Grieve on Ch4 News.

    The new Ch4 Interviewer is simply out of her depth though for the PM it's devastating!
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    Nunu3Nunu3 Posts: 178

    Just caught a headline, "Starmer and Rayner issued with..."

    Looks bad.

    Just as one thought Boris's luck had finally run out.
    Issued with what tho?
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,370
    Officials at the Stade de France found a total of 2,800 “fake” tickets when scanning Liverpool fans into the Champions League final on Saturday, according to reports.

    The Agence France-Presse claims the figure was confirmed by stadium authorities and representatives of Uefa during a meeting with the French government on Monday.

    The French interior minister, Gérald Darmanin, claimed on Monday that 30,000 to 40,000 Liverpool fans had turned up for the game either without tickets or with counterfeits. He spoke of “massive, industrial-scale and organised fraud with fake tickets”.

    The far lower figure of 2,800 relates to tickets scanned by stadium officials and has not been publicised by the French government.

    A number of Liverpool fans have said problems with the scanning machines meant legitimate tickets were identified as counterfeit.


    https://www.theguardian.com/football/2022/may/31/number-of-fake-liverpool-champions-league-final-tickets-was-just-2800
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,953

    We need to be sending people to Rwanda for it to discourage anyone from getting on a dinghy and setting sail for our rainy haven. This is welcome news therefore.

    I quite like the Government being in desperation mode. It would be nice if they were so desperate to placate the voting public all the time.

    I'm all in favour of the government building a proper offshore processing facility, and prioritising those who go there directly, rather than trekking across the Med and Europe to get to the UK, and then submitting an asylum request.

    I am more sceptical of us just dumping a small number of people in Rwanda, and then not actually doing any processing. It seems more like it's designed for tabloid headlines than to actually solve the problem.
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    StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 14,413

    Just caught a headline, "Starmer and Rayner issued with..."

    Looks bad.

    Just as one thought Boris's luck had finally run out.
    No. Bad for Starmer and Rayner, sure. But if they go,

    1. It makes Johnson's clinging on look even more miserable,
    2. It allows Labour to move on to phase 2 of "Operation Move On From Jezza". The boring bloke has cleaned up the mess, now they can pick someone interesting to put out the bunting.
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    RogerRoger Posts: 18,891

    Just caught a headline, "Starmer and Rayner issued with..."

    Looks bad.

    As Dominic Grieve had to explain to the hapless interviewer on Ch4 News that is simply proceedural
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,261
    edited May 2022

    MaxPB said:

    Breaking:

    Lord Geidt, the official ethics watchdog, says question of whether Boris Johnson broke ministerial code is 'legitimate'

    'It may be especially difficult to inspire trust in ministerial code if any PM, whose code it is, declines to refer to it'

    Lord Geidt warns the ministerial code risks being placed in 'ridicule' and that his position as an independent adviser could be undermined

    He says he repeatedly asked the PM to make a public comment on his obligations under ministerial code

    'That advice has not been heeded'


    https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1531685617339359234

    +10 letters to Graham Brady.
    It reminds me of that moment in that historical film set in Ancient Rome when the would be fascist emperor (the first ever kaiser) said, infamy, infamy, they all got infamy.

    End of days stuff.
    No! No! No!

    It was "Infamy! Infamy! They've all got it in for me!".
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    DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 24,324

    Farooq said:

    dixiedean said:

    Shortages of GPs. The BBC has published a map, and I had expected it would correlate with Brexit, via left-behind and declining towns, but instead its most striking feature is the clear division between east and west. There are more doctors per 100,000 patients in the west half of the country. Not Brexit country; not the prosperous Home Counties or South-East either.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-61598158

    Northumberland right at the top of the supply there.
    Which is wondrous cos it's three weeks here to see a GP.
    Better or deid by the time you see anyone.
    Jeremy Hunt's new book Zero mentions that he did persuade Theresa May to open medical schools and train more doctors. Hunt says he recruited 3,000 more GPs a year but it made no difference as existing GPs retired or moved to part-time working.
    You can't really say it out loud, but the number of GPs who are women is pretty disastrous. They all seem to be part-time. That obviously impacts in the surgeries but also means the medical schools are so less productive as they are full of female students who will also go part-time after a few years. But, as I say, you can't say this out loud.
    So, wait, you're lamenting the fact that the majority of GPs are women. Have I understood that right?
    No. I'm lamenting the fact that we don't have enough GPs because so many are part-time. And there is indisputably a link to that being because so many are women. Very few men go part-time. It's just a fact and probably needs to be taken into account when it comes to workforce planning.
    Something like 90 per cent of salaried GPs are part-time, so clearly not only the fairer sex. Perhaps some of those part-timers have two part-time jobs but still.
    https://www.pulsetoday.co.uk/news/workload/nhs-england-says-almost-90-of-gps-work-part-time-in-response-to-pulse-survey/
    Further to the Great British GP shortage, given so many appointments are by phone, perhaps The Saj could devise a way of shifting phone consultations to areas of greater GP availability, preferably without penalising a patient's own doctor.
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    northern_monkeynorthern_monkey Posts: 1,516
    edited May 2022

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    dixiedean said:

    Shortages of GPs. The BBC has published a map, and I had expected it would correlate with Brexit, via left-behind and declining towns, but instead its most striking feature is the clear division between east and west. There are more doctors per 100,000 patients in the west half of the country. Not Brexit country; not the prosperous Home Counties or South-East either.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-61598158

    Northumberland right at the top of the supply there.
    Which is wondrous cos it's three weeks here to see a GP.
    Better or deid by the time you see anyone.
    Jeremy Hunt's new book Zero mentions that he did persuade Theresa May to open medical schools and train more doctors. Hunt says he recruited 3,000 more GPs a year but it made no difference as existing GPs retired or moved to part-time working.
    You can't really say it out loud, but the number of GPs who are women is pretty disastrous. They all seem to be part-time. That obviously impacts in the surgeries but also means the medical schools are so less productive as they are full of female students who will also go part-time after a few years. But, as I say, you can't say this out loud.
    So, wait, you're lamenting the fact that the majority of GPs are women. Have I understood that right?
    No. I'm lamenting the fact that we don't have enough GPs because so many are part-time. And there is indisputably a link to that being because so many are women. Very few men go part-time. It's just a fact and probably needs to be taken into account when it comes to workforce planning.
    So, what do you want to do? Recruit more doctors? Force part timers to work full time?
    It’s a well known problem in healthcare. One thing is too look at recruitment to uni courses. Why are they now dominated by women? Are we sending out the wrong messages? Have we pushed women’s careers so well at the detriment of men’s? Even simple things such as choice of photos in a propectus. Does your course onl6 show women in its photos?
    And then for those in the profession. Of course many will want part time work. Pay is good, they are often married to other good earners too and there is more to life than work. I’m not sure what the answer is to that.
    So... men are put off from becoming doctors because they don't feel represented in prospectuses?

    Are we really having this discussion? I feel like someone's spiked me or something.
    It’s a real thing. One of the ways we have tried to encourag3 more women into subjects is to make sure the profession looks like them. So for engineering you will see plenty of female engineers in prospectuses, even when the courses are 80-90 % male. Healthcare has it the other way. You may think it sounds stupid, but it’s not. It is of course not the only thing that can be done.
    "Healthcare" is a broad church.
    But there's no way in hell I'm accepting that there's a perception amongst boys about doctors being a "female" profession.
    I certainly accept that many jobs are seen as gendered and that perception needs to be taken account of. But in the popular imagination, doctors are men. I think a lot of people would be surprised to learn that most GPs are female. It's not a this-is-not-for-me problem. The "lack" of male doctors is down to something else.
    You’re wrong. You’re even wrong in my case

    When I think “GP” I now think, if I gender it: “Woman”. Because at my central London surgery 76% of the GPs are women and have been so for 20 years., The receptionists are also women. The people who do my blood tests (I am hypothyroid) are also women. Nurses are women. Healthcare is female, and this goes to the top. And I am a middle aged git, heading to my 60s

    So for much younger British people the idea of “doctor” must now skew heavily female

    Surgeons still skew male, IIRC. But other than that - neurology, psychology, anesthesia, GPs, nurses, etc. - it skews female.
    The interesting speciality in that regard is obstetrics & gynaecology. Here it is abbreviated to obs & gynae, and there are still lots of male consultants. Americans call it obgyn, pronouncing each letter separately, and it has turned overwhelmingly female over the past couple of decades. Fans of the book and recent television series, This Is Going To Hurt, may also know it as brats and twats.
    I read the book recently. Very good. Quite an uncomfortable bit in there for bloke readers about a pissed young man who, naked, slides down an abrasive lamp post. Funny though.

    Opened my eyes to how brutal the hours are for junior doctors. They do so many unpaid extra hours. Bit of a scandal really. I don’t envy them. No wonder many go part time when they can.
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,189
    MaxPB said:

    As a Spurs fan it all feels very odd that we've already signed two players before the window has properly opened and we've got two likely signings in Spence and Bastoni to be completed in the next week or so and 3-4 more to come.

    Baby Jen truly has been born into a different era, long may it continue.

    https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQtUJZkB_hGlRhNLzlK_YsNAb14MUgQC368mg&usqp=CAU
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    nico679nico679 Posts: 4,778
    HYUFD said:

    Nadine Dorries announces Bradford as UK city of culture 2025

    Was she drunk when she announced that !
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    agingjb2agingjb2 Posts: 86
    HYUFD tells me what Tories think, and I value this, being opposed to any party who I feel would have the slightest chance or desire of instituting a one party state.
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,261
    edited May 2022

    'It's a confidential process and I'll retain my discretion and say nothing more at the moment'

    A smiling @SirGrahamBrady speaks to ITV News after being asked whether there are enough no confidence letters to trigger a vote on @BorisJohnson's leadership https://t.co/3rpifr35bn https://t.co/8CkC0T4qLx

    It is done.

    "What is Gove?
    Oh, Brady don't hurt me
    Don't hurt me
    No more"
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    DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 24,324

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    dixiedean said:

    Shortages of GPs. The BBC has published a map, and I had expected it would correlate with Brexit, via left-behind and declining towns, but instead its most striking feature is the clear division between east and west. There are more doctors per 100,000 patients in the west half of the country. Not Brexit country; not the prosperous Home Counties or South-East either.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-61598158

    Northumberland right at the top of the supply there.
    Which is wondrous cos it's three weeks here to see a GP.
    Better or deid by the time you see anyone.
    Jeremy Hunt's new book Zero mentions that he did persuade Theresa May to open medical schools and train more doctors. Hunt says he recruited 3,000 more GPs a year but it made no difference as existing GPs retired or moved to part-time working.
    You can't really say it out loud, but the number of GPs who are women is pretty disastrous. They all seem to be part-time. That obviously impacts in the surgeries but also means the medical schools are so less productive as they are full of female students who will also go part-time after a few years. But, as I say, you can't say this out loud.
    So, wait, you're lamenting the fact that the majority of GPs are women. Have I understood that right?
    No. I'm lamenting the fact that we don't have enough GPs because so many are part-time. And there is indisputably a link to that being because so many are women. Very few men go part-time. It's just a fact and probably needs to be taken into account when it comes to workforce planning.
    So, what do you want to do? Recruit more doctors? Force part timers to work full time?
    It’s a well known problem in healthcare. One thing is too look at recruitment to uni courses. Why are they now dominated by women? Are we sending out the wrong messages? Have we pushed women’s careers so well at the detriment of men’s? Even simple things such as choice of photos in a propectus. Does your course onl6 show women in its photos?
    And then for those in the profession. Of course many will want part time work. Pay is good, they are often married to other good earners too and there is more to life than work. I’m not sure what the answer is to that.
    So... men are put off from becoming doctors because they don't feel represented in prospectuses?

    Are we really having this discussion? I feel like someone's spiked me or something.
    It’s a real thing. One of the ways we have tried to encourag3 more women into subjects is to make sure the profession looks like them. So for engineering you will see plenty of female engineers in prospectuses, even when the courses are 80-90 % male. Healthcare has it the other way. You may think it sounds stupid, but it’s not. It is of course not the only thing that can be done.
    "Healthcare" is a broad church.
    But there's no way in hell I'm accepting that there's a perception amongst boys about doctors being a "female" profession.
    I certainly accept that many jobs are seen as gendered and that perception needs to be taken account of. But in the popular imagination, doctors are men. I think a lot of people would be surprised to learn that most GPs are female. It's not a this-is-not-for-me problem. The "lack" of male doctors is down to something else.
    You’re wrong. You’re even wrong in my case

    When I think “GP” I now think, if I gender it: “Woman”. Because at my central London surgery 76% of the GPs are women and have been so for 20 years., The receptionists are also women. The people who do my blood tests (I am hypothyroid) are also women. Nurses are women. Healthcare is female, and this goes to the top. And I am a middle aged git, heading to my 60s

    So for much younger British people the idea of “doctor” must now skew heavily female

    Surgeons still skew male, IIRC. But other than that - neurology, psychology, anesthesia, GPs, nurses, etc. - it skews female.
    The interesting speciality in that regard is obstetrics & gynaecology. Here it is abbreviated to obs & gynae, and there are still lots of male consultants. Americans call it obgyn, pronouncing each letter separately, and it has turned overwhelmingly female over the past couple of decades. Fans of the book and recent television series, This Is Going To Hurt, may also know it as brats and twats.
    I read the book recently. Very good. Quite an uncomfortable bit in there for bloke readers about a pissed young man who, naked, slides down an abrasive lamp post.

    Opened my eyes to how brutal the hours are for junior doctors. They do so many unpaid extra hours. Bit of a scandal really. I don’t envy them. No wonder many go part time when they can.
    The television series is available on iplayer. That anecdote is included.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/p0b6k6kx/this-is-going-to-hurt-series-1-episode-1

    Spoiler (sort of): the cyclist who taps on the window to wake Dr Kay up in one episode is the actual Adam Kay.
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,192
    Angela Richardson MP
    @AJRichardsonMP
    PM must reinstate the foreword in the Ministerial Code. I recognise it's his code and belongs to him, but removing words that we recognise as standards in public life is damaging to trust and respect for those who step forward to be HMG Ministers. Never to be treated lightly.

    https://twitter.com/AJRichardsonMP/status/1531696142341349377
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    pigeonpigeon Posts: 4,132

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    YES!!!!


    *airpunch*


    “Rwanda deportation: First migrants to be sent to east African country in a fortnight, says Home Office“”

    https://news.sky.com/story/rwanda-deportation-first-migrants-to-be-sent-to-east-african-country-in-a-fortnight-says-home-office-12624907

    GET IN

    And just imagine how furious you'll be when the courts put the flights on hold because of legal challenges. You will be incandescent and you will heap hate on the lefty lawyers and the judicial establishment. And so the government's culture war strategy will be vindicated once more and on we will go.

    Jesus F Sodding Christ. Do I really need to spell this out?

    It was a joke AIMED at this ludicrous Tory “policy” which the Tory government has no intention of applying in any way that makes sense (ie you have to do it to everyone, like Australia, or it won’t work) because the Tories are futile cowards, scared of the BBC

    If I thought the Tories might actually get all Australian on these migrants, and actually deport them, I would not “air punch”. It would be a grim and ugly necessity, something to be sadly regretted, and reluctantly accepted, not celebrated

    I did me comment to see what daft Lefties would get outraged. An IQ test. You failed
    I knew you joking and teasing.

    There isn’t anyone in this country… I’ll rephrase that, there is no UK citizen anywhere in the world who actually believes this costly policy will actually work to get THAT excited about it.

    But it is a damaging issue for the incumbent conservatives, if not this “fig leaf” proposal, what real policy can they turn to?

    I havn’t a clue. These people are not just fleeing oppression, be it tribal, political, sexual, war, poverty, lack of future if they keep going through many other countries to come here - There is this ‘Dick Whittington’ mentality about the people crossing third of the world, through other countries, risking their lives just to come here - whilst they have that in their heads what can you Really do? Germany wants them, yet they want to be here. What can you do?
    Only two approaches will work with the boat people problem: give up and let them all in, or be ruthless and throw them all out - and if you're going for the latter you need strong legislation that is made explicitly superior to the Human Rights Act, and a lot of expensive infrastructure: enough patrol vessels on constant watch in the Channel to intercept all the dinghies, and a high capacity and remote offshoring facility.

    The Government daren't let them all in because most of the electorate wants rid of them, as per these results: https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2021/11/30/four-five-britons-disapprove-governments-handling- It isn't nearly nasty enough to lock them all out properly, either. So it flails around in the middle, doing stunts to try to make itself look tough yet ultimately pleasing no-one.

    The next Government will, of course, also flail around in the middle on this issue and also please no-one.
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    FairlieredFairliered Posts: 3,970

    Farooq said:

    dixiedean said:

    Shortages of GPs. The BBC has published a map, and I had expected it would correlate with Brexit, via left-behind and declining towns, but instead its most striking feature is the clear division between east and west. There are more doctors per 100,000 patients in the west half of the country. Not Brexit country; not the prosperous Home Counties or South-East either.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-61598158

    Northumberland right at the top of the supply there.
    Which is wondrous cos it's three weeks here to see a GP.
    Better or deid by the time you see anyone.
    Jeremy Hunt's new book Zero mentions that he did persuade Theresa May to open medical schools and train more doctors. Hunt says he recruited 3,000 more GPs a year but it made no difference as existing GPs retired or moved to part-time working.
    You can't really say it out loud, but the number of GPs who are women is pretty disastrous. They all seem to be part-time. That obviously impacts in the surgeries but also means the medical schools are so less productive as they are full of female students who will also go part-time after a few years. But, as I say, you can't say this out loud.
    So, wait, you're lamenting the fact that the majority of GPs are women. Have I understood that right?
    No. I'm lamenting the fact that we don't have enough GPs because so many are part-time. And there is indisputably a link to that being because so many are women. Very few men go part-time. It's just a fact and probably needs to be taken into account when it comes to workforce planning.
    What about the older men whose pension funds are close to the lifetime allowance and don’t want to breach it?
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    wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 6,930
    edited May 2022
    Roger said:

    Just caught a headline, "Starmer and Rayner issued with..."

    Looks bad.

    As Dominic Grieve had to explain to the hapless interviewer on Ch4 News that is simply proceedural
    Yes, its an investigation into a possible offence. Proceedures are followed.
    I'm sure it was vital for them all to be gathered together to have dinner with Mary Foy as per the agenda, and they have nothing to worry about and aren't massive hypocrites. Time and plod will tell.
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,261

    Breaking news

    Keir Starmer and Angela Rayner receive questionnaires from Durham Police re beergate

    I may need a new avatar...
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,607
    tlg86 said:

    MaxPB said:

    As a Spurs fan it all feels very odd that we've already signed two players before the window has properly opened and we've got two likely signings in Spence and Bastoni to be completed in the next week or so and 3-4 more to come.

    Baby Jen truly has been born into a different era, long may it continue.

    https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQtUJZkB_hGlRhNLzlK_YsNAb14MUgQC368mg&usqp=CAU
    Arsenal fans are just so bitter. Have fun on those Thursday nights! Super Mikel couldn't get Champions League.
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    GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 20,847
    Sad to see the hatred of Bradford.
    Never been (except sitting at the train station once, trying to get to Hebden Bridge) but fine architecture I hear.

    Plus, the birthplace of David Hockney.

    We should try to get back into the European capital of culture though tho, which gets proper investment and attention.
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    StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 14,413
    rcs1000 said:

    We need to be sending people to Rwanda for it to discourage anyone from getting on a dinghy and setting sail for our rainy haven. This is welcome news therefore.

    I quite like the Government being in desperation mode. It would be nice if they were so desperate to placate the voting public all the time.

    I'm all in favour of the government building a proper offshore processing facility, and prioritising those who go there directly, rather than trekking across the Med and Europe to get to the UK, and then submitting an asylum request.

    I am more sceptical of us just dumping a small number of people in Rwanda, and then not actually doing any processing. It seems more like it's designed for tabloid headlines than to actually solve the problem.
    The trouble with that plan is that it would either lead to the UK taking more asylum seekers than it does at the moment, or someone on the ground putting up a "sorry, we're full until next year" sign. Neither of which is ideal for the target audience.

    A scheme like that, run by the UN, that distributes asylum seekers fairly and globally, has a lot to commend it in the 21st century. But the need for fairness (i.e. winning the lottery ticket by being born in Britain gives us lots of obligations) makes it pretty sure that it won't ever happen.

    Talking of which,

    Sam Freedman
    @Samfr
    Wow. The refugees served with notice they'll be sent to Rwanda are from Syria. Imagine leaving that horror, getting all the way here and then being told you're being sent to a dictatorship.

    https://twitter.com/Samfr/status/1531706014113964032
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,261

    Sad to see the hatred of Bradford.
    Never been (except sitting at the train station once, trying to get to Hebden Bridge) but fine architecture I hear.

    Plus, the birthplace of David Hockney.

    We should try to get back into the European capital of culture though tho, which gets proper investment and attention.

    I've been to BOTH Bradford stations :)
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    GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 20,847
    edited May 2022

    Sad to see the hatred of Bradford.
    Never been (except sitting at the train station once, trying to get to Hebden Bridge) but fine architecture I hear.

    Plus, the birthplace of David Hockney.

    We should try to get back into the European capital of culture though tho, which gets proper investment and attention.

    I've been to BOTH Bradford stations :)
    Sunil now that you’ve pretty much done the UK, suggest you move on to Ireland, or perhaps New England.

    By the way, there may even be a job in this hobby of yours. There are stranger things on YouTube.
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    TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 40,022
    Carnyx said:

    kle4 said:

    Farooq said:

    Two things. Firstly, judging by the way everyone is talking on here, the only thing now that can save Boris is something the causes a deep and immediate political freeze that lasts the few weeks and distracts the public. So, er, long live the King I guess.

    You're not following your thoughts on fascism to their logical conclusion:

    @IndiaWilloughby
    When the Queen dies, wouldn’t be surprised if Boris appoints himself Fuhrer and assumes total control. That’s how close I think Britain is to Nazi Germany.


    https://twitter.com/IndiaWilloughby/status/1528554584481927173
    Perhaps I am naiive, but I think we are slightly further away from Nazi Germany than that.
    We haven't even got to the cabaret club stage.

    For shame.
    Reached the depraved sex stage though: overweight pole dancers wrapped in UJs, sexy tractors, the possibility that someone might bump uglies with Fabricant, it's like a heavy night on Potsdamer Strasse.
    IIRC they had specialist nightvclubs/streets for every kink in Weimar Berlin, if Philip Kerr's novels are any guide.
    Ja!

    Don't know what the German equivalent of phwoarrr is..




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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,370
    Republican Ohio Senate candidate JD Vance calls for banning all porn to "Save Families".

    Who wants to tell him about his dear leader's $130k payment to a porn star?


    https://twitter.com/RpsAgainstTrump/status/1531615024288043009
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,502
    .

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Having been away at my godfather's funeral this afternoon, I see from earlier posts in this thread I am now described as a Fascist on here, which is apparently what those still loyal to Boris are now described as. Heaven help those posters if they ever faced a real Fascist government!

    Its on its way sweetie. Its what you want. Remember, you earlier said that people who don't vote for you can be ignored by government. That is not the function of government. And your government is moving to silence its critics. Dismantle the rule of law.
    If that was really the case you would already have been interned long ago, without trial!
    Considering that this government is trying to inter people without trial at RAF Linton-upon-Ouse, you say that without any irony. And that it attacks judges and lawyers whilst undermining the rule of law. Because if lawyers can make the legal case in the high court to show that your lot are acting illegally, the fault isn't your lot acting illegally. No, its the fault of the judges and lawyers. And when the media report this then we need to find ways to stop them dissenting. And when people protest we need to clamp down on that as well. MPs not being pliant? Simply dissolve parliament and rule by decree.

    Call it what you want. The demolition of our society and the framework that protects us is there to see. And you would go further would you not?
    I’m hoping you meant ‘intern’ ?
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    What a joke....

    England will play their Nations League group match against Hungary in Budapest on Saturday with at least 30,000 fans in attendance - even though the fixture is being held behind closed doors.

    Hungary v England: Nations League match to have 30,000 fans despite supporters ban - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/61653086
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,502

    Angela Richardson MP
    @AJRichardsonMP
    PM must reinstate the foreword in the Ministerial Code. I recognise it's his code and belongs to him, but removing words that we recognise as standards in public life is damaging to trust and respect for those who step forward to be HMG Ministers. Never to be treated lightly.

    https://twitter.com/AJRichardsonMP/status/1531696142341349377

    Simpler and more logical to remove the PM, surely ?
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,261

    Sad to see the hatred of Bradford.
    Never been (except sitting at the train station once, trying to get to Hebden Bridge) but fine architecture I hear.

    Plus, the birthplace of David Hockney.

    We should try to get back into the European capital of culture though tho, which gets proper investment and attention.

    I've been to BOTH Bradford stations :)
    Sunil now that you’ve pretty much done the UK, suggest you move on to Ireland, or perhaps New England.
    Sadly, I came VERY close to doing GB (as opposed to the UK) before the pandemic, the outstanding rail routes being Inverness to Kyle and Inverness to Thurso and Wick. Also never got round to doing Clitheroe to Hellifield (Sundays only), and the Trafford Centre branch of Manchester's Metrolink (opened just days before the first lockdown!).
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,953
    pigeon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    YES!!!!


    *airpunch*


    “Rwanda deportation: First migrants to be sent to east African country in a fortnight, says Home Office“”

    https://news.sky.com/story/rwanda-deportation-first-migrants-to-be-sent-to-east-african-country-in-a-fortnight-says-home-office-12624907

    GET IN

    And just imagine how furious you'll be when the courts put the flights on hold because of legal challenges. You will be incandescent and you will heap hate on the lefty lawyers and the judicial establishment. And so the government's culture war strategy will be vindicated once more and on we will go.

    Jesus F Sodding Christ. Do I really need to spell this out?

    It was a joke AIMED at this ludicrous Tory “policy” which the Tory government has no intention of applying in any way that makes sense (ie you have to do it to everyone, like Australia, or it won’t work) because the Tories are futile cowards, scared of the BBC

    If I thought the Tories might actually get all Australian on these migrants, and actually deport them, I would not “air punch”. It would be a grim and ugly necessity, something to be sadly regretted, and reluctantly accepted, not celebrated

    I did me comment to see what daft Lefties would get outraged. An IQ test. You failed
    I knew you joking and teasing.

    There isn’t anyone in this country… I’ll rephrase that, there is no UK citizen anywhere in the world who actually believes this costly policy will actually work to get THAT excited about it.

    But it is a damaging issue for the incumbent conservatives, if not this “fig leaf” proposal, what real policy can they turn to?

    I havn’t a clue. These people are not just fleeing oppression, be it tribal, political, sexual, war, poverty, lack of future if they keep going through many other countries to come here - There is this ‘Dick Whittington’ mentality about the people crossing third of the world, through other countries, risking their lives just to come here - whilst they have that in their heads what can you Really do? Germany wants them, yet they want to be here. What can you do?
    Only two approaches will work with the boat people problem: give up and let them all in, or be ruthless and throw them all out - and if you're going for the latter you need strong legislation that is made explicitly superior to the Human Rights Act, and a lot of expensive infrastructure: enough patrol vessels on constant watch in the Channel to intercept all the dinghies, and a high capacity and remote offshoring facility.

    The Government daren't let them all in because most of the electorate wants rid of them, as per these results: https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2021/11/30/four-five-britons-disapprove-governments-handling- It isn't nearly nasty enough to lock them all out properly, either. So it flails around in the middle, doing stunts to try to make itself look tough yet ultimately pleasing no-one.

    The next Government will, of course, also flail around in the middle on this issue and also please no-one.
    I disagree.

    The UK has a problem because:

    (a) It has insanely long asylum processing times
    and
    (b) There is a large informal labour sector in the UK, where people can work without documentation

    The combination of these two factors makes the UK a big pull. You won't get sent back quickly... and you can earn a decent wage working.

    Let's put this in context for a second. Norway estimates they have fewer than 300 illegal immigrants in the whole country - despite being an enormously prosperous country, in Schengen, with close to zero unemployment. (Oh, and they don't bother with enforcement of failed asylum claims, because people 'self deport')

    Why? Because there's next to no informal labour market in Norway. You won't be able to get a place to live, a bank account or a job if you don't have the proper documentation.

    Result, no problem.
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    Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 26,551
    Roger said:

    A must listen! Interview with Dominc Grieve on Ch4 News.

    The new Ch4 Interviewer is simply out of her depth though for the PM it's devastating!

    Dominic Grieve hasn't accepted the result of the EU referendum yet.
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    nico679nico679 Posts: 4,778

    Sad to see the hatred of Bradford.
    Never been (except sitting at the train station once, trying to get to Hebden Bridge) but fine architecture I hear.

    Plus, the birthplace of David Hockney.

    We should try to get back into the European capital of culture though tho, which gets proper investment and attention.

    Anything with European in the name is a big no no in these Brexit times . I’m still not getting the love for Bradford though !
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    RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 27,190

    Sad to see the hatred of Bradford.
    Never been (except sitting at the train station once, trying to get to Hebden Bridge) but fine architecture I hear.

    Plus, the birthplace of David Hockney.

    We should try to get back into the European capital of culture though tho, which gets proper investment and attention.

    If you'd been, you'd understand.
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    BurgessianBurgessian Posts: 2,433
    HYUFD said:

    Nadine Dorries announces Bradford as UK city of culture 2025

    Stoke would have made more sense. Three Conservative MPs. None in Bradford.
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    DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 24,324
    rcs1000 said:

    pigeon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    YES!!!!


    *airpunch*


    “Rwanda deportation: First migrants to be sent to east African country in a fortnight, says Home Office“”

    https://news.sky.com/story/rwanda-deportation-first-migrants-to-be-sent-to-east-african-country-in-a-fortnight-says-home-office-12624907

    GET IN

    And just imagine how furious you'll be when the courts put the flights on hold because of legal challenges. You will be incandescent and you will heap hate on the lefty lawyers and the judicial establishment. And so the government's culture war strategy will be vindicated once more and on we will go.

    Jesus F Sodding Christ. Do I really need to spell this out?

    It was a joke AIMED at this ludicrous Tory “policy” which the Tory government has no intention of applying in any way that makes sense (ie you have to do it to everyone, like Australia, or it won’t work) because the Tories are futile cowards, scared of the BBC

    If I thought the Tories might actually get all Australian on these migrants, and actually deport them, I would not “air punch”. It would be a grim and ugly necessity, something to be sadly regretted, and reluctantly accepted, not celebrated

    I did me comment to see what daft Lefties would get outraged. An IQ test. You failed
    I knew you joking and teasing.

    There isn’t anyone in this country… I’ll rephrase that, there is no UK citizen anywhere in the world who actually believes this costly policy will actually work to get THAT excited about it.

    But it is a damaging issue for the incumbent conservatives, if not this “fig leaf” proposal, what real policy can they turn to?

    I havn’t a clue. These people are not just fleeing oppression, be it tribal, political, sexual, war, poverty, lack of future if they keep going through many other countries to come here - There is this ‘Dick Whittington’ mentality about the people crossing third of the world, through other countries, risking their lives just to come here - whilst they have that in their heads what can you Really do? Germany wants them, yet they want to be here. What can you do?
    Only two approaches will work with the boat people problem: give up and let them all in, or be ruthless and throw them all out - and if you're going for the latter you need strong legislation that is made explicitly superior to the Human Rights Act, and a lot of expensive infrastructure: enough patrol vessels on constant watch in the Channel to intercept all the dinghies, and a high capacity and remote offshoring facility.

    The Government daren't let them all in because most of the electorate wants rid of them, as per these results: https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2021/11/30/four-five-britons-disapprove-governments-handling- It isn't nearly nasty enough to lock them all out properly, either. So it flails around in the middle, doing stunts to try to make itself look tough yet ultimately pleasing no-one.

    The next Government will, of course, also flail around in the middle on this issue and also please no-one.
    I disagree.

    The UK has a problem because:

    (a) It has insanely long asylum processing times
    and
    (b) There is a large informal labour sector in the UK, where people can work without documentation

    The combination of these two factors makes the UK a big pull. You won't get sent back quickly... and you can earn a decent wage working.

    Let's put this in context for a second. Norway estimates they have fewer than 300 illegal immigrants in the whole country - despite being an enormously prosperous country, in Schengen, with close to zero unemployment. (Oh, and they don't bother with enforcement of failed asylum claims, because people 'self deport')

    Why? Because there's next to no informal labour market in Norway. You won't be able to get a place to live, a bank account or a job if you don't have the proper documentation.

    Result, no problem.
    Though we also speak English. Probably not many migrants have Norwegian as their second language. We also have settled communities from most migrant countries of origin.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,953
    rcs1000 said:

    pigeon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    YES!!!!


    *airpunch*


    “Rwanda deportation: First migrants to be sent to east African country in a fortnight, says Home Office“”

    https://news.sky.com/story/rwanda-deportation-first-migrants-to-be-sent-to-east-african-country-in-a-fortnight-says-home-office-12624907

    GET IN

    And just imagine how furious you'll be when the courts put the flights on hold because of legal challenges. You will be incandescent and you will heap hate on the lefty lawyers and the judicial establishment. And so the government's culture war strategy will be vindicated once more and on we will go.

    Jesus F Sodding Christ. Do I really need to spell this out?

    It was a joke AIMED at this ludicrous Tory “policy” which the Tory government has no intention of applying in any way that makes sense (ie you have to do it to everyone, like Australia, or it won’t work) because the Tories are futile cowards, scared of the BBC

    If I thought the Tories might actually get all Australian on these migrants, and actually deport them, I would not “air punch”. It would be a grim and ugly necessity, something to be sadly regretted, and reluctantly accepted, not celebrated

    I did me comment to see what daft Lefties would get outraged. An IQ test. You failed
    I knew you joking and teasing.

    There isn’t anyone in this country… I’ll rephrase that, there is no UK citizen anywhere in the world who actually believes this costly policy will actually work to get THAT excited about it.

    But it is a damaging issue for the incumbent conservatives, if not this “fig leaf” proposal, what real policy can they turn to?

    I havn’t a clue. These people are not just fleeing oppression, be it tribal, political, sexual, war, poverty, lack of future if they keep going through many other countries to come here - There is this ‘Dick Whittington’ mentality about the people crossing third of the world, through other countries, risking their lives just to come here - whilst they have that in their heads what can you Really do? Germany wants them, yet they want to be here. What can you do?
    Only two approaches will work with the boat people problem: give up and let them all in, or be ruthless and throw them all out - and if you're going for the latter you need strong legislation that is made explicitly superior to the Human Rights Act, and a lot of expensive infrastructure: enough patrol vessels on constant watch in the Channel to intercept all the dinghies, and a high capacity and remote offshoring facility.

    The Government daren't let them all in because most of the electorate wants rid of them, as per these results: https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2021/11/30/four-five-britons-disapprove-governments-handling- It isn't nearly nasty enough to lock them all out properly, either. So it flails around in the middle, doing stunts to try to make itself look tough yet ultimately pleasing no-one.

    The next Government will, of course, also flail around in the middle on this issue and also please no-one.
    I disagree.

    The UK has a problem because:

    (a) It has insanely long asylum processing times
    and
    (b) There is a large informal labour sector in the UK, where people can work without documentation

    The combination of these two factors makes the UK a big pull. You won't get sent back quickly... and you can earn a decent wage working.

    Let's put this in context for a second. Norway estimates they have fewer than 300 illegal immigrants in the whole country - despite being an enormously prosperous country, in Schengen, with close to zero unemployment. (Oh, and they don't bother with enforcement of failed asylum claims, because people 'self deport')

    Why? Because there's next to no informal labour market in Norway. You won't be able to get a place to live, a bank account or a job if you don't have the proper documentation.

    Result, no problem.
    Here's a good article - https://www.newsinenglish.no/2017/07/31/life-too-difficult-for-illegal-aliens/
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    dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 27,952
    edited May 2022

    In other news the Gulag for Refugees planned to be opened in North Yorkshire has run into trouble. Locals don't want their village turned into Guantanamo Bay and the Home Office keeps not making a decision.

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/may/31/plan-to-move-1500-asylum-seekers-to-yorkshire-village-hit-by-delay

    Sad to see the hatred of Bradford.
    Never been (except sitting at the train station once, trying to get to Hebden Bridge) but fine architecture I hear.

    Plus, the birthplace of David Hockney.

    We should try to get back into the European capital of culture though tho, which gets proper investment and attention.

    Yeah. There's nowt wrong with Bradford.
    JB Priestley, Delius, Zayn Malik and Ade Edmondson too.
    On the other hand there's Gareth Gates.
    A huge landfill of Odsal wouldn't go amiss mind.
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    noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 20,708
    nico679 said:

    Sad to see the hatred of Bradford.
    Never been (except sitting at the train station once, trying to get to Hebden Bridge) but fine architecture I hear.

    Plus, the birthplace of David Hockney.

    We should try to get back into the European capital of culture though tho, which gets proper investment and attention.

    Anything with European in the name is a big no no in these Brexit times . I’m still not getting the love for Bradford though !
    Simples, create the AUKUS city of culture and the Mail will love it. And Australia and the US have less rivals for capital of culture too.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,953

    rcs1000 said:

    pigeon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    YES!!!!


    *airpunch*


    “Rwanda deportation: First migrants to be sent to east African country in a fortnight, says Home Office“”

    https://news.sky.com/story/rwanda-deportation-first-migrants-to-be-sent-to-east-african-country-in-a-fortnight-says-home-office-12624907

    GET IN

    And just imagine how furious you'll be when the courts put the flights on hold because of legal challenges. You will be incandescent and you will heap hate on the lefty lawyers and the judicial establishment. And so the government's culture war strategy will be vindicated once more and on we will go.

    Jesus F Sodding Christ. Do I really need to spell this out?

    It was a joke AIMED at this ludicrous Tory “policy” which the Tory government has no intention of applying in any way that makes sense (ie you have to do it to everyone, like Australia, or it won’t work) because the Tories are futile cowards, scared of the BBC

    If I thought the Tories might actually get all Australian on these migrants, and actually deport them, I would not “air punch”. It would be a grim and ugly necessity, something to be sadly regretted, and reluctantly accepted, not celebrated

    I did me comment to see what daft Lefties would get outraged. An IQ test. You failed
    I knew you joking and teasing.

    There isn’t anyone in this country… I’ll rephrase that, there is no UK citizen anywhere in the world who actually believes this costly policy will actually work to get THAT excited about it.

    But it is a damaging issue for the incumbent conservatives, if not this “fig leaf” proposal, what real policy can they turn to?

    I havn’t a clue. These people are not just fleeing oppression, be it tribal, political, sexual, war, poverty, lack of future if they keep going through many other countries to come here - There is this ‘Dick Whittington’ mentality about the people crossing third of the world, through other countries, risking their lives just to come here - whilst they have that in their heads what can you Really do? Germany wants them, yet they want to be here. What can you do?
    Only two approaches will work with the boat people problem: give up and let them all in, or be ruthless and throw them all out - and if you're going for the latter you need strong legislation that is made explicitly superior to the Human Rights Act, and a lot of expensive infrastructure: enough patrol vessels on constant watch in the Channel to intercept all the dinghies, and a high capacity and remote offshoring facility.

    The Government daren't let them all in because most of the electorate wants rid of them, as per these results: https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2021/11/30/four-five-britons-disapprove-governments-handling- It isn't nearly nasty enough to lock them all out properly, either. So it flails around in the middle, doing stunts to try to make itself look tough yet ultimately pleasing no-one.

    The next Government will, of course, also flail around in the middle on this issue and also please no-one.
    I disagree.

    The UK has a problem because:

    (a) It has insanely long asylum processing times
    and
    (b) There is a large informal labour sector in the UK, where people can work without documentation

    The combination of these two factors makes the UK a big pull. You won't get sent back quickly... and you can earn a decent wage working.

    Let's put this in context for a second. Norway estimates they have fewer than 300 illegal immigrants in the whole country - despite being an enormously prosperous country, in Schengen, with close to zero unemployment. (Oh, and they don't bother with enforcement of failed asylum claims, because people 'self deport')

    Why? Because there's next to no informal labour market in Norway. You won't be able to get a place to live, a bank account or a job if you don't have the proper documentation.

    Result, no problem.
    Though we also speak English. Probably not many migrants have Norwegian as their second language. We also have settled communities from most migrant countries of origin.
    Sure - but not many speak Swedish, and Sweden has similar problems to us.
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    noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 20,708
    edited May 2022

    Republican Ohio Senate candidate JD Vance calls for banning all porn to "Save Families".

    Who wants to tell him about his dear leader's $130k payment to a porn star?


    https://twitter.com/RpsAgainstTrump/status/1531615024288043009

    With such a new law he could have just quietly got her arrested instead? Bigly, luvvly, jubbly for the billionaire sex pests.
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    DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 24,324
    dixiedean said:

    In other news the Gulag for Refugees planned to be opened in North Yorkshire has run into trouble. Locals don't want their village turned into Guantanamo Bay and the Home Office keeps not making a decision.

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/may/31/plan-to-move-1500-asylum-seekers-to-yorkshire-village-hit-by-delay

    Sad to see the hatred of Bradford.
    Never been (except sitting at the train station once, trying to get to Hebden Bridge) but fine architecture I hear.

    Plus, the birthplace of David Hockney.

    We should try to get back into the European capital of culture though tho, which gets proper investment and attention.

    Yeah. There's nowt wrong with Bradford.
    JB Priestley, Delius, Zayn Malik and Ade Edmondson too.
    On the other hand there's Gareth Gates.
    A huge landfill of Odsal wouldn't go amiss mind.
    Rita, Sue and Bob Too — Thatcher's Britain with her knickers down.
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,192

    Carnyx said:

    kle4 said:

    Farooq said:

    Two things. Firstly, judging by the way everyone is talking on here, the only thing now that can save Boris is something the causes a deep and immediate political freeze that lasts the few weeks and distracts the public. So, er, long live the King I guess.

    You're not following your thoughts on fascism to their logical conclusion:

    @IndiaWilloughby
    When the Queen dies, wouldn’t be surprised if Boris appoints himself Fuhrer and assumes total control. That’s how close I think Britain is to Nazi Germany.


    https://twitter.com/IndiaWilloughby/status/1528554584481927173
    Perhaps I am naiive, but I think we are slightly further away from Nazi Germany than that.
    We haven't even got to the cabaret club stage.

    For shame.
    Reached the depraved sex stage though: overweight pole dancers wrapped in UJs, sexy tractors, the possibility that someone might bump uglies with Fabricant, it's like a heavy night on Potsdamer Strasse.
    IIRC they had specialist nightvclubs/streets for every kink in Weimar Berlin, if Philip Kerr's novels are any guide.
    Ja!

    Don't know what the German equivalent of phwoarrr is..




    Start your engines baby...
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    dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 27,952
    edited May 2022

    HYUFD said:

    Nadine Dorries announces Bradford as UK city of culture 2025

    Stoke would have made more sense. Three Conservative MPs. None in Bradford.
    Keighley and Shipley?
    You can't get more cultured than Philip Davies MP.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,370
    Pope Pius XII doesn't come out of this at all well.

    Adolf Hitler and the wartime Pope, Pius XII, discussed a secret co-operation using Queen Victoria’s great-grandson as a go-between, newly published Vatican documents have revealed.

    In long-distance negotiations held between 1939 and 1941, Pius discussed stifling criticism of Hitler in return for an end to the Nazi crackdown on the church in Germany, according to archive material hidden for 80 years by the Vatican.

    The secret communications were conducted with the help of Hitler’s emissary, Prince Philipp of Hesse, a 36-year-old German aristocrat descended from Queen Victoria who was a third cousin of the Queen....

    ...“[Pope Pius] also knew denouncing atrocities could antagonise the German Catholic soldiers who were shooting Jews. He remembered the Reformation and didn’t want to create a schism between Catholics in Germany,” he said.


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/hitler-sent-nazi-prince-to-broker-secret-deal-with-pope-vatican-papers-reveal-jqd06vkqs#Echobox=1654014132
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,502
    Andy_JS said:

    Roger said:

    A must listen! Interview with Dominc Grieve on Ch4 News.

    The new Ch4 Interviewer is simply out of her depth though for the PM it's devastating!

    Dominic Grieve hasn't accepted the result of the EU referendum yet.
    Neither, apparently, have those who voted to leave.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,370

    Carnyx said:

    kle4 said:

    Farooq said:

    Two things. Firstly, judging by the way everyone is talking on here, the only thing now that can save Boris is something the causes a deep and immediate political freeze that lasts the few weeks and distracts the public. So, er, long live the King I guess.

    You're not following your thoughts on fascism to their logical conclusion:

    @IndiaWilloughby
    When the Queen dies, wouldn’t be surprised if Boris appoints himself Fuhrer and assumes total control. That’s how close I think Britain is to Nazi Germany.


    https://twitter.com/IndiaWilloughby/status/1528554584481927173
    Perhaps I am naiive, but I think we are slightly further away from Nazi Germany than that.
    We haven't even got to the cabaret club stage.

    For shame.
    Reached the depraved sex stage though: overweight pole dancers wrapped in UJs, sexy tractors, the possibility that someone might bump uglies with Fabricant, it's like a heavy night on Potsdamer Strasse.
    IIRC they had specialist nightvclubs/streets for every kink in Weimar Berlin, if Philip Kerr's novels are any guide.
    Ja!

    Don't know what the German equivalent of phwoarrr is..




    Are you Neil Parish?
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    RogerRoger Posts: 18,891

    Sad to see the hatred of Bradford.
    Never been (except sitting at the train station once, trying to get to Hebden Bridge) but fine architecture I hear.

    Plus, the birthplace of David Hockney.

    We should try to get back into the European capital of culture though tho, which gets proper investment and attention.

    If you'd been, you'd understand.
    The photography museum is well worth a visit and the Barbara Hepworth sculpture park is somewhere near.....and there's a Wetherspoon's nearby.....
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    RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 27,190
    rcs1000 said:

    pigeon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    YES!!!!


    *airpunch*


    “Rwanda deportation: First migrants to be sent to east African country in a fortnight, says Home Office“”

    https://news.sky.com/story/rwanda-deportation-first-migrants-to-be-sent-to-east-african-country-in-a-fortnight-says-home-office-12624907

    GET IN

    And just imagine how furious you'll be when the courts put the flights on hold because of legal challenges. You will be incandescent and you will heap hate on the lefty lawyers and the judicial establishment. And so the government's culture war strategy will be vindicated once more and on we will go.

    Jesus F Sodding Christ. Do I really need to spell this out?

    It was a joke AIMED at this ludicrous Tory “policy” which the Tory government has no intention of applying in any way that makes sense (ie you have to do it to everyone, like Australia, or it won’t work) because the Tories are futile cowards, scared of the BBC

    If I thought the Tories might actually get all Australian on these migrants, and actually deport them, I would not “air punch”. It would be a grim and ugly necessity, something to be sadly regretted, and reluctantly accepted, not celebrated

    I did me comment to see what daft Lefties would get outraged. An IQ test. You failed
    I knew you joking and teasing.

    There isn’t anyone in this country… I’ll rephrase that, there is no UK citizen anywhere in the world who actually believes this costly policy will actually work to get THAT excited about it.

    But it is a damaging issue for the incumbent conservatives, if not this “fig leaf” proposal, what real policy can they turn to?

    I havn’t a clue. These people are not just fleeing oppression, be it tribal, political, sexual, war, poverty, lack of future if they keep going through many other countries to come here - There is this ‘Dick Whittington’ mentality about the people crossing third of the world, through other countries, risking their lives just to come here - whilst they have that in their heads what can you Really do? Germany wants them, yet they want to be here. What can you do?
    Only two approaches will work with the boat people problem: give up and let them all in, or be ruthless and throw them all out - and if you're going for the latter you need strong legislation that is made explicitly superior to the Human Rights Act, and a lot of expensive infrastructure: enough patrol vessels on constant watch in the Channel to intercept all the dinghies, and a high capacity and remote offshoring facility.

    The Government daren't let them all in because most of the electorate wants rid of them, as per these results: https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2021/11/30/four-five-britons-disapprove-governments-handling- It isn't nearly nasty enough to lock them all out properly, either. So it flails around in the middle, doing stunts to try to make itself look tough yet ultimately pleasing no-one.

    The next Government will, of course, also flail around in the middle on this issue and also please no-one.
    I disagree.

    The UK has a problem because:

    (a) It has insanely long asylum processing times
    and
    (b) There is a large informal labour sector in the UK, where people can work without documentation

    The combination of these two factors makes the UK a big pull. You won't get sent back quickly... and you can earn a decent wage working.

    Let's put this in context for a second. Norway estimates they have fewer than 300 illegal immigrants in the whole country - despite being an enormously prosperous country, in Schengen, with close to zero unemployment. (Oh, and they don't bother with enforcement of failed asylum claims, because people 'self deport')

    Why? Because there's next to no informal labour market in Norway. You won't be able to get a place to live, a bank account or a job if you don't have the proper documentation.

    Result, no problem.
    But we can't go after the companies who employ informal labour. They make too much profit.
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    dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 27,952
    rcs1000 said:

    pigeon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    YES!!!!


    *airpunch*


    “Rwanda deportation: First migrants to be sent to east African country in a fortnight, says Home Office“”

    https://news.sky.com/story/rwanda-deportation-first-migrants-to-be-sent-to-east-african-country-in-a-fortnight-says-home-office-12624907

    GET IN

    And just imagine how furious you'll be when the courts put the flights on hold because of legal challenges. You will be incandescent and you will heap hate on the lefty lawyers and the judicial establishment. And so the government's culture war strategy will be vindicated once more and on we will go.

    Jesus F Sodding Christ. Do I really need to spell this out?

    It was a joke AIMED at this ludicrous Tory “policy” which the Tory government has no intention of applying in any way that makes sense (ie you have to do it to everyone, like Australia, or it won’t work) because the Tories are futile cowards, scared of the BBC

    If I thought the Tories might actually get all Australian on these migrants, and actually deport them, I would not “air punch”. It would be a grim and ugly necessity, something to be sadly regretted, and reluctantly accepted, not celebrated

    I did me comment to see what daft Lefties would get outraged. An IQ test. You failed
    I knew you joking and teasing.

    There isn’t anyone in this country… I’ll rephrase that, there is no UK citizen anywhere in the world who actually believes this costly policy will actually work to get THAT excited about it.

    But it is a damaging issue for the incumbent conservatives, if not this “fig leaf” proposal, what real policy can they turn to?

    I havn’t a clue. These people are not just fleeing oppression, be it tribal, political, sexual, war, poverty, lack of future if they keep going through many other countries to come here - There is this ‘Dick Whittington’ mentality about the people crossing third of the world, through other countries, risking their lives just to come here - whilst they have that in their heads what can you Really do? Germany wants them, yet they want to be here. What can you do?
    Only two approaches will work with the boat people problem: give up and let them all in, or be ruthless and throw them all out - and if you're going for the latter you need strong legislation that is made explicitly superior to the Human Rights Act, and a lot of expensive infrastructure: enough patrol vessels on constant watch in the Channel to intercept all the dinghies, and a high capacity and remote offshoring facility.

    The Government daren't let them all in because most of the electorate wants rid of them, as per these results: https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2021/11/30/four-five-britons-disapprove-governments-handling- It isn't nearly nasty enough to lock them all out properly, either. So it flails around in the middle, doing stunts to try to make itself look tough yet ultimately pleasing no-one.

    The next Government will, of course, also flail around in the middle on this issue and also please no-one.
    I disagree.

    The UK has a problem because:

    (a) It has insanely long asylum processing times
    and
    (b) There is a large informal labour sector in the UK, where people can work without documentation

    The combination of these two factors makes the UK a big pull. You won't get sent back quickly... and you can earn a decent wage working.

    Let's put this in context for a second. Norway estimates they have fewer than 300 illegal immigrants in the whole country - despite being an enormously prosperous country, in Schengen, with close to zero unemployment. (Oh, and they don't bother with enforcement of failed asylum claims, because people 'self deport')

    Why? Because there's next to no informal labour market in Norway. You won't be able to get a place to live, a bank account or a job if you don't have the proper documentation.

    Result, no problem.
    Technically you can't get a job, nor a place to live either here.
    But there's next to no enforcement.
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,192

    'It's a confidential process and I'll retain my discretion and say nothing more at the moment'

    A smiling @SirGrahamBrady speaks to ITV News after being asked whether there are enough no confidence letters to trigger a vote on @BorisJohnson's leadership https://t.co/3rpifr35bn https://t.co/8CkC0T4qLx

    It is done.

    "What is Gove?
    Oh, Brady don't hurt me
    Don't hurt me
    No more"
    He is rightly not going to say the threshold has been reached over the Jubilee celebrations.

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    TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 40,022

    Carnyx said:

    kle4 said:

    Farooq said:

    Two things. Firstly, judging by the way everyone is talking on here, the only thing now that can save Boris is something the causes a deep and immediate political freeze that lasts the few weeks and distracts the public. So, er, long live the King I guess.

    You're not following your thoughts on fascism to their logical conclusion:

    @IndiaWilloughby
    When the Queen dies, wouldn’t be surprised if Boris appoints himself Fuhrer and assumes total control. That’s how close I think Britain is to Nazi Germany.


    https://twitter.com/IndiaWilloughby/status/1528554584481927173
    Perhaps I am naiive, but I think we are slightly further away from Nazi Germany than that.
    We haven't even got to the cabaret club stage.

    For shame.
    Reached the depraved sex stage though: overweight pole dancers wrapped in UJs, sexy tractors, the possibility that someone might bump uglies with Fabricant, it's like a heavy night on Potsdamer Strasse.
    IIRC they had specialist nightvclubs/streets for every kink in Weimar Berlin, if Philip Kerr's novels are any guide.
    Ja!

    Don't know what the German equivalent of phwoarrr is..




    Are you Neil Parish?
    That particular model has a hot bulb engine.
    You can say that again!
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,189
    MaxPB said:

    tlg86 said:

    MaxPB said:

    As a Spurs fan it all feels very odd that we've already signed two players before the window has properly opened and we've got two likely signings in Spence and Bastoni to be completed in the next week or so and 3-4 more to come.

    Baby Jen truly has been born into a different era, long may it continue.

    https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQtUJZkB_hGlRhNLzlK_YsNAb14MUgQC368mg&usqp=CAU
    Arsenal fans are just so bitter. Have fun on those Thursday nights! Super Mikel couldn't get Champions League.
    Don’t worry, I’m not bitter. :)

    But it does make me smile. For years, I had to put up with morons (both Arsenal fans and fans of other clubs) criticising us for finishing in the Top 4.

    Whilst I’d take winning a cup over finishing fourth, I wouldn’t take winning a cup over having a team capable of finishing fourth. And having a team capable of finishing fourth is very difficult to achieve.
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,192

    Paul Waugh
    @paulwaugh
    ·
    25m
    "He's not Falstaff, he's Faust," an Oxford contemporary once said of
    @BorisJohnson
    .

    https://twitter.com/paulwaugh
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    MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 25,137

    Sad to see the hatred of Bradford.
    Never been (except sitting at the train station once, trying to get to Hebden Bridge) but fine architecture I hear.

    Plus, the birthplace of David Hockney.

    We should try to get back into the European capital of culture though tho, which gets proper investment and attention.

    If you'd been, you'd understand.
    I used to work out of the now grade 2 listed derelict Bowling Iron Works on Bowling Back Lane so I know Bradford quite well. Bradford is not Henley-on-Thames, but if Northern and gritty floats one's boat, it can't be faulted.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,370
    edited May 2022
    dixiedean said:

    Republican Ohio Senate candidate JD Vance calls for banning all porn to "Save Families".

    Who wants to tell him about his dear leader's $130k payment to a porn star?


    https://twitter.com/RpsAgainstTrump/status/1531615024288043009

    Most of Pornhub seems to encourage families to come together.
    Literally.
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    IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    dixiedean said:

    Republican Ohio Senate candidate JD Vance calls for banning all porn to "Save Families".

    Who wants to tell him about his dear leader's $130k payment to a porn star?


    https://twitter.com/RpsAgainstTrump/status/1531615024288043009

    Most of Pornhub seems to encourage families to come together.
    Literally.
    Over me
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    ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 4,970

    'It's a confidential process and I'll retain my discretion and say nothing more at the moment'

    A smiling @SirGrahamBrady speaks to ITV News after being asked whether there are enough no confidence letters to trigger a vote on @BorisJohnson's leadership https://t.co/3rpifr35bn https://t.co/8CkC0T4qLx

    It is done.

    "What is Gove?
    Oh, Brady don't hurt me
    Don't hurt me
    No more"
    He is rightly not going to say the threshold has been reached over the Jubilee celebrations.

    Could we have another double bank holiday to celebrate when the fat oaf is finally chiselled out of No.10?
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    TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 40,022
    IshmaelZ said:

    dixiedean said:

    Republican Ohio Senate candidate JD Vance calls for banning all porn to "Save Families".

    Who wants to tell him about his dear leader's $130k payment to a porn star?


    https://twitter.com/RpsAgainstTrump/status/1531615024288043009

    Most of Pornhub seems to encourage families to come together.
    Literally.
    Over me
    Over my head
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    dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 27,952

    dixiedean said:

    Republican Ohio Senate candidate JD Vance calls for banning all porn to "Save Families".

    Who wants to tell him about his dear leader's $130k payment to a porn star?


    https://twitter.com/RpsAgainstTrump/status/1531615024288043009

    Most of Pornhub seems to encourage families to come together.
    Literally.
    You've quite a talent for explaining the jokes today. :)
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    CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 39,663
    edited May 2022

    Carnyx said:

    kle4 said:

    Farooq said:

    Two things. Firstly, judging by the way everyone is talking on here, the only thing now that can save Boris is something the causes a deep and immediate political freeze that lasts the few weeks and distracts the public. So, er, long live the King I guess.

    You're not following your thoughts on fascism to their logical conclusion:

    @IndiaWilloughby
    When the Queen dies, wouldn’t be surprised if Boris appoints himself Fuhrer and assumes total control. That’s how close I think Britain is to Nazi Germany.


    https://twitter.com/IndiaWilloughby/status/1528554584481927173
    Perhaps I am naiive, but I think we are slightly further away from Nazi Germany than that.
    We haven't even got to the cabaret club stage.

    For shame.
    Reached the depraved sex stage though: overweight pole dancers wrapped in UJs, sexy tractors, the possibility that someone might bump uglies with Fabricant, it's like a heavy night on Potsdamer Strasse.
    IIRC they had specialist nightvclubs/streets for every kink in Weimar Berlin, if Philip Kerr's novels are any guide.
    Ja!

    Don't know what the German equivalent of phwoarrr is..




    Ooh yes! One big throbbing hot bulb horizontal cylinder. Needs quite a lot of foreplay to get going, like your average middle-aged-to-elderly REDACTED MP.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tr_b6mTnHEo

    Edit: missed TUD's posting ...

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    nico679nico679 Posts: 4,778

    Sad to see the hatred of Bradford.
    Never been (except sitting at the train station once, trying to get to Hebden Bridge) but fine architecture I hear.

    Plus, the birthplace of David Hockney.

    We should try to get back into the European capital of culture though tho, which gets proper investment and attention.

    If you'd been, you'd understand.
    I used to work out of the now grade 2 listed derelict Bowling Iron Works on Bowling Back Lane so I know Bradford quite well. Bradford is not Henley-on-Thames, but if Northern and gritty floats one's boat, it can't be faulted.
    Isn’t northern and gritty in terms of Bradford just another way of saying it’s a dump !
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    Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 32,883
    These paragraphs from Lord Geidt suggest he has had quite enough of being portrayed as a lap dog. https://twitter.com/jessicaelgot/status/1531687983883112448/photo/1
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,192
    Chris Mason
    @ChrisMasonBBC
    ·
    1h
    The Prime Minister's Independent Adviser on Ministers’ Interests has said there is a " legitimate question" regarding whether the Prime Minister's partygate fine represents a breach of the ministerial code.

    https://twitter.com/ChrisMasonBBC/status/1531687323670401027

    ===

    Nadine will be doubling down on close the BBC agenda after that tweet...
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    geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,149


    Paul Waugh
    @paulwaugh
    ·
    25m
    "He's not Falstaff, he's Faust," an Oxford contemporary once said of
    @BorisJohnson
    .

    https://twitter.com/paulwaugh

    Since we're doing German today, that would make him a great thumping fist, but Gordon was bestowed that handle by Tony already.
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    IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    IshmaelZ said:

    dixiedean said:

    Republican Ohio Senate candidate JD Vance calls for banning all porn to "Save Families".

    Who wants to tell him about his dear leader's $130k payment to a porn star?


    https://twitter.com/RpsAgainstTrump/status/1531615024288043009

    Most of Pornhub seems to encourage families to come together.
    Literally.
    Over me
    Over my head
    Not a passionate Beatles fan, then?

    Without them, no Radiohead. Think on that.
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    MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 25,137
    nico679 said:

    Sad to see the hatred of Bradford.
    Never been (except sitting at the train station once, trying to get to Hebden Bridge) but fine architecture I hear.

    Plus, the birthplace of David Hockney.

    We should try to get back into the European capital of culture though tho, which gets proper investment and attention.

    If you'd been, you'd understand.
    I used to work out of the now grade 2 listed derelict Bowling Iron Works on Bowling Back Lane so I know Bradford quite well. Bradford is not Henley-on-Thames, but if Northern and gritty floats one's boat, it can't be faulted.
    Isn’t northern and gritty in terms of Bradford just another way of saying it’s a dump !
    Queensbury is very nice. Thornton on the other hand, is certainly "Northern and gritty". I recall the cheapest curries anywhere in the Western world on Leeds Road, back in the day.
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,502
    Informative thread for understanding what the US does or doesn’t agree to in supplying Ukraine.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/noclador/status/1531012132975910912
    Angry thread about M270 MLRS and M142 HIMARS 🧵

    and a bit about BM-27 Uragan and BM-30 Smerch too.

    Angry, because every M270 and M142 thread I have seen on twitter so far is FULL OF MIND BOGGLING ERRORS...
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