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  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,821
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    YES!!!!


    *airpunch*


    “Rwanda deportation: First migrants to be sent to east African country in a fortnight, says Home Office“”

    https://news.sky.com/story/rwanda-deportation-first-migrants-to-be-sent-to-east-african-country-in-a-fortnight-says-home-office-12624907

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    It gets better.

    Govt says it wants a flight to Rwanda on 14th June, 6 days before Rwanda hosts Commonwealth CHOGM

    Legal action will delay that flight. But ramping up controversy over the hosts human rights record may split Commonwealth. A headache for Buckingham Palace, esp Charles & William

    Is the goverment's Rwanda policy, by amplifying the controversy over the human rights record of Rwanda - exacerbating the splits in the Commonwealth that could make the sensitive issue of the Headship after the Queen's reign much more difficult?


    https://twitter.com/sundersays/status/1531684787043319809
    Just fly em all out there. Do they even need to land? Give them parachutes

    DO IT, PRITI
    You mean like in "Predators"? :lol:
  • EPGEPG Posts: 6,652
    I remember when SeanT was fantasising about deporting or interning all British Muslims back in 2016. The prospect of mass deportations of law-abiding foreigners to scratch the racist itch seemed remote back then.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,506
    Taz said:

    kjh said:

    eek said:

    eek said:

    Taz said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Stocky said:

    In next CP leads market (BF) Hunt clear favourite at 6.2, Truss 8.2, Tugendat 8.4, Wallace 10.5.

    I can't see Hunt getting past the membership - I would sell him.

    (Heck it is far from clear that he either stands or makes it past the MPs. Big sell.)
    I don't have any personal information, but I'm a constituent and know him a bit. I'm pretty sure he'll stand, and I agree he'd be good medicine for their Blue Wall problem, more so than Wallace or Truss.
    Do you think he’d be able to keep the red wall too ?
    The Tories best bet iro that is to focus on the bits they are best placed to retain imo - where they took a big lead, Bishop Auckland, Sedgefield, Rother Valley etc, forget Redcar, Leigh etc they are dropping anyway, and look at seats that had a big bxp vote - Hartlepool (obv try and retain from by election) Sunderland etc
    By the time the next election comes Brexit will be 4+ years ago. Voters will be expecting to see results and Bishop Auckland / Sedgefield there is no success to talk about...
    I disagree. I think the shift was for the thing to be done not for it to achieve an end, as we see with the not particularly drastic movement in brexit polling since. The thing was done. It marks a shift in these areas that will partially 'naturally' hold against national movements (opposite true in remainia of course)
    Dehenna in Bishop Auckland for example has a massive majority and first time incumbancy. In all but a meltdown i have her safe
    Do you live or work in the constituency? Or are you looking from a distance without local knowledge, local news, local gossip down the pub...
    I asked @wooliedyed if he lived in another constituency yesterday. If we keep this up he will get paranoid that we trying to track him down.
    I'll make it easy! Im in Norwich South.
    No, i have no specific Bishop Auckland knowledge, eek, and if anyone has then please do counter me. Im going on the 2019 result, the fact shes a first time incumbant and the slightly less drastic loss of support in parts if brexity red wall the locals hinted at. Shes got an 18% majority.
    Gossip down the pub is overrated. All constituencies have very varied wards so unless youre drinking in a LOT of pubs it means very little. Local news, sure, but somebody will usually chime in if there is a specific local issue.
    I’m not in bishop Auckland but I am in a Durham seat and I agree with you. I think the seat has been trending Tory for many years now.
    The other element is Dehenna Davison is a brilliant MP, I rate her highly and think she will go right up the greased pole
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,282

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    YES!!!!


    *airpunch*


    “Rwanda deportation: First migrants to be sent to east African country in a fortnight, says Home Office“”

    https://news.sky.com/story/rwanda-deportation-first-migrants-to-be-sent-to-east-african-country-in-a-fortnight-says-home-office-12624907

    GET IN

    It gets better.

    Govt says it wants a flight to Rwanda on 14th June, 6 days before Rwanda hosts Commonwealth CHOGM

    Legal action will delay that flight. But ramping up controversy over the hosts human rights record may split Commonwealth. A headache for Buckingham Palace, esp Charles & William

    Is the goverment's Rwanda policy, by amplifying the controversy over the human rights record of Rwanda - exacerbating the splits in the Commonwealth that could make the sensitive issue of the Headship after the Queen's reign much more difficult?


    https://twitter.com/sundersays/status/1531684787043319809
    Just fly em all out there. Do they even need to land? Give them parachutes

    DO IT, PRITI
    You mean like in "Predators"? :lol:
    Predator

    But yes. Like in Predator

    That should be the motto for all of UK governance.

    “How do we do this?”

    “Like they did in PREDATOR”

    “Ah. Got it.”
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,282
    edited May 2022
    EPG said:

    I remember when SeanT was fantasising about deporting or interning all British Muslims back in 2016. The prospect of mass deportations of law-abiding foreigners to scratch the racist itch seemed remote back then.

    Just rejoice at this news of Rwandan deportations. Hopefully the first of billions. Once we’ve sent every single “migrant” to Kigali we should move on to France, and deport them as well, maybe to Burundi. Thus reclaiming Aquitaine
  • HeathenerHeathener Posts: 7,084
    Leon said:

    YES!!!!


    *airpunch*


    “Rwanda deportation: First migrants to be sent to east African country in a fortnight, says Home Office“”

    https://news.sky.com/story/rwanda-deportation-first-migrants-to-be-sent-to-east-african-country-in-a-fortnight-says-home-office-12624907

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    You really are a nasty piece of work, I'm sad to say.

    Actually that's not totally fair. You are a person who I think is besieged by your own demons and you lash out on a forum where you know you can play big fish-little pond. So it's wrong to say you are a nasty piece of work. Rather that you allow much nastiness to emerge and spew forth. I wish you wouldn't.

    Beneath all of this I think you are still hurting. And it's that part of you which is the softer, truer, you.

    x
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    These paragraphs from Lord Geidt suggest he has had quite enough of being portrayed as a lap dog.

    https://twitter.com/jessicaelgot/status/1531687983883112448
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,282
    Heathener said:

    Leon said:

    YES!!!!


    *airpunch*


    “Rwanda deportation: First migrants to be sent to east African country in a fortnight, says Home Office“”

    https://news.sky.com/story/rwanda-deportation-first-migrants-to-be-sent-to-east-african-country-in-a-fortnight-says-home-office-12624907

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    You really are a nasty piece of work, I'm sad to say.

    Actually that's not totally fair. You are a person who I think is besieged by your own demons and you lash out on a forum where you know you can play big fish-little pond. So it's wrong to say you are a nasty piece of work. Rather that you allow much nastiness to emerge and spew forth. I wish you wouldn't.

    Beneath all of this I think you are still hurting. And it's that part of you which is the softer, truer, you.

    x
    Oh dear. You’re just not…. Very bright, Are you?
  • HeathenerHeathener Posts: 7,084
    edited May 2022
    Leon said:

    Heathener said:

    Leon said:

    YES!!!!


    *airpunch*


    “Rwanda deportation: First migrants to be sent to east African country in a fortnight, says Home Office“”

    https://news.sky.com/story/rwanda-deportation-first-migrants-to-be-sent-to-east-african-country-in-a-fortnight-says-home-office-12624907

    GET IN

    You really are a nasty piece of work, I'm sad to say.

    Actually that's not totally fair. You are a person who I think is besieged by your own demons and you lash out on a forum where you know you can play big fish-little pond. So it's wrong to say you are a nasty piece of work. Rather that you allow much nastiness to emerge and spew forth. I wish you wouldn't.

    Beneath all of this I think you are still hurting. And it's that part of you which is the softer, truer, you.

    x
    Oh dear. You’re just not…. Very bright, Are you?
    Probably not but I do have a 1st from Univ of Oxford and a DPhil.

    Not that my message was about that kind of intelligence. It was about feeling.

    p.s. I realise you were, hopefully, jesting but as any good psychologist will tell you, we often jest about that which we are serious.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,282
    Heathener said:

    Leon said:

    Heathener said:

    Leon said:

    YES!!!!


    *airpunch*


    “Rwanda deportation: First migrants to be sent to east African country in a fortnight, says Home Office“”

    https://news.sky.com/story/rwanda-deportation-first-migrants-to-be-sent-to-east-african-country-in-a-fortnight-says-home-office-12624907

    GET IN

    You really are a nasty piece of work, I'm sad to say.

    Actually that's not totally fair. You are a person who I think is besieged by your own demons and you lash out on a forum where you know you can play big fish-little pond. So it's wrong to say you are a nasty piece of work. Rather that you allow much nastiness to emerge and spew forth. I wish you wouldn't.

    Beneath all of this I think you are still hurting. And it's that part of you which is the softer, truer, you.

    x
    Oh dear. You’re just not…. Very bright, Are you?
    Probably not but I do have a 1st from Univ of Oxford and a DPhil.

    Not that my message was about that kind of intelligence. It was about feeling.
    Jeez. i heard Oxford was in decline what with all this Wokery. And here we are
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,329

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    So, the increase in tax rates in Scotland have actually brought in about £200m less than before rather than £500m more. Why is this?

    The answer, sadly, is more complicated than a Laffer curve I told you so, although that certainly plays a part. The average income in Scotland has not risen as rapidly as the average income in rUK. This may, in part, be because some of the highest paid jobs, especially in financial services, are drifting southwards. But it also reflects an economy that is becoming ever more public sector dominated where words like "profit" are dirty things.

    Kate Forbes, fresh from her High School prom, states that the provision of services must be reset (another word for cut) with the priorities being health, social security and helping firms recover. Not sure how much that last one is getting but social security spending is forecast to increase from 10-14% of the budget over the next 4 years. How are firms going to recover when we don't even have a satisfactory railway service? How on earth do we attract foreign investment when people don't even know what currency we will be using in 5 years time? How can we indulge ourselves with Net Zero, another budget priority, when we have oil and gas waiting to be exploited for that nasty profit thing once again in the North Sea.

    Justice is going to be cut, despite an unprecedented backlog of trials from Covid. Victims of crime are going to have to wait even longer for trials where the evidence is all the fainter.

    And still we have no opposition worthy of the name. It's a sad state of affairs.

    All true. As Scottish politics sits within a Unionist vs Nationalist prison which itself is within the ongoing UK Tories vs non Tories battle, the ability to oppose is difficult.

    The simple reality is that for the three opposition parties to effectively work together is politically impossible. They manage it at council level where nobody is looking, but nationally Labour can't drop its pretence that its dominance is about to come back, the LibDems need to be heard so want to stand apart, and nobody will work with the Tories because morals.

    I don't know how we fix it. Because despite the SNP's genuine non-scum compared to the Tories image, they are a big screw up on a whole heap of policy areas. And keep trying to drag us off down the independence rabbit hole without actually wanting to say what is on the other side.
    Scotland desperately needs a new, centrist party, something like what the Tories were turning into under Ruth but with more breadth of vision and proper policy options focused on Scotland. I will be interested to see what Blair, Ruth, Rory and others are up to but the experience of Alba does not give much encouragement.
    If only people listened to Alex Cole-Hamilton. I honestly believe we are trying to offer a new centrist vision - we're certainly not just banging a unionist drum saying "the status quo is best". The problem remains cut-through, and with respect to every non-SNP politician since Ruth Davidson they have been shown to be boring non-entities, or have spectacular implosions, or both. ACH included.
    People don't listen because he is crap, has nothing to offer and is a London Lickspittle sockpuppet. Nothing will change till there is a real Scottish opposition party. People have listened to the london regional muppets forever, they are going nowhere till they become real Scottish parties.
  • HeathenerHeathener Posts: 7,084
    Be gentle everyone.

    There's a lot of violence around at the moment.

    Have as peaceful an evening as you may

    xx
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,284
    Leon said:

    YES!!!!


    *airpunch*


    “Rwanda deportation: First migrants to be sent to east African country in a fortnight, says Home Office“”

    https://news.sky.com/story/rwanda-deportation-first-migrants-to-be-sent-to-east-african-country-in-a-fortnight-says-home-office-12624907

    GET IN

    PP4PM?
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,652
    Leon said:

    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    dixiedean said:

    Shortages of GPs. The BBC has published a map, and I had expected it would correlate with Brexit, via left-behind and declining towns, but instead its most striking feature is the clear division between east and west. There are more doctors per 100,000 patients in the west half of the country. Not Brexit country; not the prosperous Home Counties or South-East either.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-61598158

    Northumberland right at the top of the supply there.
    Which is wondrous cos it's three weeks here to see a GP.
    Better or deid by the time you see anyone.
    Jeremy Hunt's new book Zero mentions that he did persuade Theresa May to open medical schools and train more doctors. Hunt says he recruited 3,000 more GPs a year but it made no difference as existing GPs retired or moved to part-time working.
    You can't really say it out loud, but the number of GPs who are women is pretty disastrous. They all seem to be part-time. That obviously impacts in the surgeries but also means the medical schools are so less productive as they are full of female students who will also go part-time after a few years. But, as I say, you can't say this out loud.
    So, wait, you're lamenting the fact that the majority of GPs are women. Have I understood that right?
    No. I'm lamenting the fact that we don't have enough GPs because so many are part-time. And there is indisputably a link to that being because so many are women. Very few men go part-time. It's just a fact and probably needs to be taken into account when it comes to workforce planning.
    So, what do you want to do? Recruit more doctors? Force part timers to work full time?
    It’s a well known problem in healthcare. One thing is too look at recruitment to uni courses. Why are they now dominated by women? Are we sending out the wrong messages? Have we pushed women’s careers so well at the detriment of men’s? Even simple things such as choice of photos in a propectus. Does your course onl6 show women in its photos?
    And then for those in the profession. Of course many will want part time work. Pay is good, they are often married to other good earners too and there is more to life than work. I’m not sure what the answer is to that.
    So... men are put off from becoming doctors because they don't feel represented in prospectuses?

    Are we really having this discussion? I feel like someone's spiked me or something.
    We have this discussion when professions are heavily masculine and masculine for no obvious reason. So, yes, why should we not do the same in reverse? Are you really lacking in wits to that extent?

    The greater success of women/females in GCSEs and then A Levels and then University degrees is now, belatedly, feeding through into the professions. And yes it is a problem if 60-70% of lawyers or GPs or whatever are women (or even more) just as we accept that it is now an issue how women dominate primary school teaching (and it IS a problem). We have successfully made life easier for women - a good thing - but it is now extremely arguable that we have feminised education and the higher professions to an extent that is BAD

    i am the father of two daughters. I want them to succeed. But not at the expense of anyone with a Y chromosome per se

    As a father of boys and a girl, it seems to me that girls are more concerned about being seen to fail. That makes them more conscientious, which means they study harder than boys, who would generally rather being doing anything else.

  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,506

    Has anyone seen Nick?

    The Comres is 27-29 fully after the money splurge which Nick claimed reduced the Lab lead to 2. Tories 31 lead ELEVEN Nick.

    MoonRabbit poll predictor queen. 😝

    Very true. I'm delighted.
    Comres is very much last poll reported syndrome though. Redfield had plus 5. One of them is heading in the incorrect direction or is just an outlier. Or its really opiniums no movement that is right.
    They both have labour in much the same place but a 5% difference in Tory share.

    I felt for weeks the Tory share may begin to drop a bit in a media narrative almost constantly hostile to them across a range of things, I didn’t expect or predict a Labour surge into 40’s. Maybe some pollsters now getting less green more labour responses. The Lib Dem share also bitten by these two labour in 40 polls.

    A possible explanation, from your polling queen - for weeks the Tory’s and their supports in the media were on election mode, but eased off the gas once the locals were over, with their foot on the electioneering peddle it may have suppressed top range of Labours polling.

    I like the way Opinium is consistent. Tories never lower than the latest 43 and labour never higher than 38 or lead above 4. So if that were to change you would have a sense of something happening the more all over shop pollsters never give you.

  • ApplicantApplicant Posts: 3,379
    EPG said:

    I remember when SeanT was fantasising about deporting or interning all British Muslims back in 2016. The prospect of mass deportations of law-abiding foreigners to scratch the racist itch seemed remote back then.

    Who's planning to deport law-abiding foreigners?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,821
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    YES!!!!


    *airpunch*


    “Rwanda deportation: First migrants to be sent to east African country in a fortnight, says Home Office“”

    https://news.sky.com/story/rwanda-deportation-first-migrants-to-be-sent-to-east-african-country-in-a-fortnight-says-home-office-12624907

    GET IN

    It gets better.

    Govt says it wants a flight to Rwanda on 14th June, 6 days before Rwanda hosts Commonwealth CHOGM

    Legal action will delay that flight. But ramping up controversy over the hosts human rights record may split Commonwealth. A headache for Buckingham Palace, esp Charles & William

    Is the goverment's Rwanda policy, by amplifying the controversy over the human rights record of Rwanda - exacerbating the splits in the Commonwealth that could make the sensitive issue of the Headship after the Queen's reign much more difficult?


    https://twitter.com/sundersays/status/1531684787043319809
    Just fly em all out there. Do they even need to land? Give them parachutes

    DO IT, PRITI
    You mean like in "Predators"? :lol:
    Predator

    But yes. Like in Predator

    That should be the motto for all of UK governance.

    “How do we do this?”

    “Like they did in PREDATOR”

    “Ah. Got it.”
    They parachuted in PREDATORS.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,329

    Carnyx said:

    EPG said:

    DavidL said:

    So, the increase in tax rates in Scotland have actually brought in about £200m less than before rather than £500m more. Why is this?

    The answer, sadly, is more complicated than a Laffer curve I told you so, although that certainly plays a part. The average income in Scotland has not risen as rapidly as the average income in rUK. This may, in part, be because some of the highest paid jobs, especially in financial services, are drifting southwards. But it also reflects an economy that is becoming ever more public sector dominated where words like "profit" are dirty things.

    Kate Forbes, fresh from her High School prom, states that the provision of services must be reset (another word for cut) with the priorities being health, social security and helping firms recover. Not sure how much that last one is getting but social security spending is forecast to increase from 10-14% of the budget over the next 4 years. How are firms going to recover when we don't even have a satisfactory railway service? How on earth do we attract foreign investment when people don't even know what currency we will be using in 5 years time? How can we indulge ourselves with Net Zero, another budget priority, when we have oil and gas waiting to be exploited for that nasty profit thing once again in the North Sea.

    Justice is going to be cut, despite an unprecedented backlog of trials from Covid. Victims of crime are going to have to wait even longer for trials where the evidence is all the fainter.

    And still we have no opposition worthy of the name. It's a sad state of affairs.

    The IFS is stark:

    Brutal: "On the plans set out today, the axe is set to fall on a wide range of public service areas. Budgets for local government, the police, justice, universities, rural affairs are due to fall by around 8% in real-terms over the next four years."

    https://twitter.com/alistairkgrant/status/1531664418613895168?

    I wonder if they were counting on having more pliant SNP local authorities in place, rather than opposition coalitions who will complain about “SNP CUTS!!!”

    Mind you, since the census is fecked they won’t be able to work out local authority allocations anyway….

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/2022/05/31/nicola-sturgeons-shambolic-scottish-census-has-disaster/
    The plan is to blame Westminster. Yes your services have turned to shite but its the fault of Westminster. If you vote for independence it all magically gets fixed.
    It all shows how disastrous identity politics can be. In Scotland the SNP are assured of c40% whatever they do thus breaking the link between performance and electoral reward. Does not bode well.
    Why don't other large parties try compete for SNP voters, then? In a democracy, it seems fair enough that parties should move toward the voters. But perhaps the problem is that they are hidebound by disastrous British unionist identity politics.
    The Conservatives in Scotland effectively made themselves a one-issue, one-person party by calling themselves "The Ruth Davidson Says No to Independence/Independence Referendums" party - very much so, certainly in terms of the actual branding. That was far more of an 'identity politics' jag than the SNP do.
    It was inevitable reaction to SNP success. Scots Tories (and all other Unionists) would much rather Scots politics was dominated by anything other than the constitution. But they have to go where the votes are, and a very significant number of Scots are passionately anti-Indy, even if they are less noisy than the other side. That's why its all so divisive and unpleasant. But that's identity politics for you.
    What is unpleasant about it pray tell. Sounds like bollox unionist vomit to me. You unionists arseholes just want to keep us under your jackboot.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061
    edited May 2022
    Keir and Angela have received questionnaires Labour confirm
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,405
    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    dixiedean said:

    Shortages of GPs. The BBC has published a map, and I had expected it would correlate with Brexit, via left-behind and declining towns, but instead its most striking feature is the clear division between east and west. There are more doctors per 100,000 patients in the west half of the country. Not Brexit country; not the prosperous Home Counties or South-East either.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-61598158

    Northumberland right at the top of the supply there.
    Which is wondrous cos it's three weeks here to see a GP.
    Better or deid by the time you see anyone.
    Jeremy Hunt's new book Zero mentions that he did persuade Theresa May to open medical schools and train more doctors. Hunt says he recruited 3,000 more GPs a year but it made no difference as existing GPs retired or moved to part-time working.
    You can't really say it out loud, but the number of GPs who are women is pretty disastrous. They all seem to be part-time. That obviously impacts in the surgeries but also means the medical schools are so less productive as they are full of female students who will also go part-time after a few years. But, as I say, you can't say this out loud.
    So, wait, you're lamenting the fact that the majority of GPs are women. Have I understood that right?
    No. I'm lamenting the fact that we don't have enough GPs because so many are part-time. And there is indisputably a link to that being because so many are women. Very few men go part-time. It's just a fact and probably needs to be taken into account when it comes to workforce planning.
    So, what do you want to do? Recruit more doctors? Force part timers to work full time?
    It’s a well known problem in healthcare. One thing is too look at recruitment to uni courses. Why are they now dominated by women? Are we sending out the wrong messages? Have we pushed women’s careers so well at the detriment of men’s? Even simple things such as choice of photos in a propectus. Does your course onl6 show women in its photos?
    And then for those in the profession. Of course many will want part time work. Pay is good, they are often married to other good earners too and there is more to life than work. I’m not sure what the answer is to that.
    So... men are put off from becoming doctors because they don't feel represented in prospectuses?

    Are we really having this discussion? I feel like someone's spiked me or something.
    It’s a real thing. One of the ways we have tried to encourag3 more women into subjects is to make sure the profession looks like them. So for engineering you will see plenty of female engineers in prospectuses, even when the courses are 80-90 % male. Healthcare has it the other way. You may think it sounds stupid, but it’s not. It is of course not the only thing that can be done.
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,652
    Leon said:

    YES!!!!


    *airpunch*


    “Rwanda deportation: First migrants to be sent to east African country in a fortnight, says Home Office“”

    https://news.sky.com/story/rwanda-deportation-first-migrants-to-be-sent-to-east-african-country-in-a-fortnight-says-home-office-12624907

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    And just imagine how furious you'll be when the courts put the flights on hold because of legal challenges. You will be incandescent and you will heap hate on the lefty lawyers and the judicial establishment. And so the government's culture war strategy will be vindicated once more and on we will go.

  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061
    edited May 2022
    'It's a confidential process and I'll retain my discretion and say nothing more at the moment'

    A smiling @SirGrahamBrady speaks to ITV News after being asked whether there are enough no confidence letters to trigger a vote on @BorisJohnson's leadership https://t.co/3rpifr35bn https://t.co/8CkC0T4qLx

    It is done.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,282

    Leon said:

    EPG said:

    I remember when SeanT was fantasising about deporting or interning all British Muslims back in 2016. The prospect of mass deportations of law-abiding foreigners to scratch the racist itch seemed remote back then.

    Just rejoice at this news of Rwandan deportations. Hopefully the first of billions. Once we’ve sent every single “migrant” to Kigali we should move on to France, and deport them as well, maybe to Burundi. Thus reclaiming Aquitaine
    Why do you care who comes to this country? You're never fucking here.
    A very fair point

    Tho it doesn’t seem to stop @Gardenwalker, @edmundintokyo, @Roger, @rcs1000, @felix, @Aslan and innumerable other PB-ers

    Indeed if we made it a PB law that you can’t post about British politics if you aren’t in Britain then we’d be reduced to you, a man who is so pitifully scared of “driving on the right” he won’t holiday abroad. And I would hate to see PB so enfeebled and epicene
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 15,782

    Leon said:

    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    dixiedean said:

    Shortages of GPs. The BBC has published a map, and I had expected it would correlate with Brexit, via left-behind and declining towns, but instead its most striking feature is the clear division between east and west. There are more doctors per 100,000 patients in the west half of the country. Not Brexit country; not the prosperous Home Counties or South-East either.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-61598158

    Northumberland right at the top of the supply there.
    Which is wondrous cos it's three weeks here to see a GP.
    Better or deid by the time you see anyone.
    Jeremy Hunt's new book Zero mentions that he did persuade Theresa May to open medical schools and train more doctors. Hunt says he recruited 3,000 more GPs a year but it made no difference as existing GPs retired or moved to part-time working.
    You can't really say it out loud, but the number of GPs who are women is pretty disastrous. They all seem to be part-time. That obviously impacts in the surgeries but also means the medical schools are so less productive as they are full of female students who will also go part-time after a few years. But, as I say, you can't say this out loud.
    So, wait, you're lamenting the fact that the majority of GPs are women. Have I understood that right?
    No. I'm lamenting the fact that we don't have enough GPs because so many are part-time. And there is indisputably a link to that being because so many are women. Very few men go part-time. It's just a fact and probably needs to be taken into account when it comes to workforce planning.
    So, what do you want to do? Recruit more doctors? Force part timers to work full time?
    It’s a well known problem in healthcare. One thing is too look at recruitment to uni courses. Why are they now dominated by women? Are we sending out the wrong messages? Have we pushed women’s careers so well at the detriment of men’s? Even simple things such as choice of photos in a propectus. Does your course onl6 show women in its photos?
    And then for those in the profession. Of course many will want part time work. Pay is good, they are often married to other good earners too and there is more to life than work. I’m not sure what the answer is to that.
    So... men are put off from becoming doctors because they don't feel represented in prospectuses?

    Are we really having this discussion? I feel like someone's spiked me or something.
    We have this discussion when professions are heavily masculine and masculine for no obvious reason. So, yes, why should we not do the same in reverse? Are you really lacking in wits to that extent?

    The greater success of women/females in GCSEs and then A Levels and then University degrees is now, belatedly, feeding through into the professions. And yes it is a problem if 60-70% of lawyers or GPs or whatever are women (or even more) just as we accept that it is now an issue how women dominate primary school teaching (and it IS a problem). We have successfully made life easier for women - a good thing - but it is now extremely arguable that we have feminised education and the higher professions to an extent that is BAD

    i am the father of two daughters. I want them to succeed. But not at the expense of anyone with a Y chromosome per se

    As a father of boys and a girl, it seems to me that girls are more concerned about being seen to fail. That makes them more conscientious, which means they study harder than boys, who would generally rather being doing anything else.

    Hard to generalise from small samples but with a son and two daughters that's kind of my experience too. Girls seem to mature more quickly too, which helps them. My son doesn't want to be seen as a "neek" but has recently raised his game as I think he is conscious of underperforming.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,329
    EPG said:

    DavidL said:

    So, the increase in tax rates in Scotland have actually brought in about £200m less than before rather than £500m more. Why is this?

    The answer, sadly, is more complicated than a Laffer curve I told you so, although that certainly plays a part. The average income in Scotland has not risen as rapidly as the average income in rUK. This may, in part, be because some of the highest paid jobs, especially in financial services, are drifting southwards. But it also reflects an economy that is becoming ever more public sector dominated where words like "profit" are dirty things.

    Kate Forbes, fresh from her High School prom, states that the provision of services must be reset (another word for cut) with the priorities being health, social security and helping firms recover. Not sure how much that last one is getting but social security spending is forecast to increase from 10-14% of the budget over the next 4 years. How are firms going to recover when we don't even have a satisfactory railway service? How on earth do we attract foreign investment when people don't even know what currency we will be using in 5 years time? How can we indulge ourselves with Net Zero, another budget priority, when we have oil and gas waiting to be exploited for that nasty profit thing once again in the North Sea.

    Justice is going to be cut, despite an unprecedented backlog of trials from Covid. Victims of crime are going to have to wait even longer for trials where the evidence is all the fainter.

    And still we have no opposition worthy of the name. It's a sad state of affairs.

    The IFS is stark:

    Brutal: "On the plans set out today, the axe is set to fall on a wide range of public service areas. Budgets for local government, the police, justice, universities, rural affairs are due to fall by around 8% in real-terms over the next four years."

    https://twitter.com/alistairkgrant/status/1531664418613895168?

    I wonder if they were counting on having more pliant SNP local authorities in place, rather than opposition coalitions who will complain about “SNP CUTS!!!”

    Mind you, since the census is fecked they won’t be able to work out local authority allocations anyway….

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/2022/05/31/nicola-sturgeons-shambolic-scottish-census-has-disaster/
    The plan is to blame Westminster. Yes your services have turned to shite but its the fault of Westminster. If you vote for independence it all magically gets fixed.
    It all shows how disastrous identity politics can be. In Scotland the SNP are assured of c40% whatever they do thus breaking the link between performance and electoral reward. Does not bode well.
    Why don't other large parties try compete for SNP voters, then? In a democracy, it seems fair enough that parties should move toward the voters. But perhaps the problem is that they are hidebound by disastrous British unionist identity politics.
    Exactly , they cannot understand that the people do not want London carpetbaggers running their affairs.
    The shite the unionists spout on here is vomit inducing, not happy that they rob us of all our money and only send back about 40% of it and think we should be kissing their arses for their largesse. A pox on all of them and preferably monkey one.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 15,782
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    EPG said:

    I remember when SeanT was fantasising about deporting or interning all British Muslims back in 2016. The prospect of mass deportations of law-abiding foreigners to scratch the racist itch seemed remote back then.

    Just rejoice at this news of Rwandan deportations. Hopefully the first of billions. Once we’ve sent every single “migrant” to Kigali we should move on to France, and deport them as well, maybe to Burundi. Thus reclaiming Aquitaine
    Why do you care who comes to this country? You're never fucking here.
    A very fair point

    Tho it doesn’t seem to stop @Gardenwalker, @edmundintokyo, @Roger, @rcs1000, @felix, @Aslan and innumerable other PB-ers

    Indeed if we made it a PB law that you can’t post about British politics if you aren’t in Britain then we’d be reduced to you, a man who is so pitifully scared of “driving on the right” he won’t holiday abroad. And I would hate to see PB so enfeebled and epicene
    Ha ha never change Leon.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,329

    Farooq said:

    The department that just brought you the unusable Scottish Census:

    And it's striking that when you look at the table setting out that referendum spending, you can see it comes at the direct expense of Historic Environment Scotland, which is having its budget slashed by nearly a quarter.

    https://twitter.com/dhothersall/status/1531662245763112960

    What do you mean, unusable Scottish Census?
    On July 17, 2020, the Scottish government announced that the next census, due to be held in 2021, would in fact be delayed until this year. According to Fiona Hyslop, then the minister responsible for the census, postponement was not a decision to be taken lightly but doing so would ensure that “the quality of the census data” would “remain robust” and moving the date would help ensure “the highest possible response rate from people across Scotland”.

    Oops. Last week, Nicola Sturgeon was left with no option but to admit that Scotland’s census may be worthless. Although the deadline for submitting forms was extended by a month, as of last Saturday just 86 per cent of forms had been completed. Since the census is useless unless it is comprehensive and since the revised cut-off point for submitting returns is tomorrow, it will be a surprise if returns have reached the 90-plus per cent level deemed necessary for success.


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/solo-scotland-has-failed-on-census-mppq96p2q

    The response rate in EW was 97%.

    And it’s poorer Scots who will suffer (again).
    As if you give a toss about poor Scots, just stick to living in luxury in your tax haven and spare us the crocodile tears.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,506
    MaxPB said:

    Breaking:

    Lord Geidt, the official ethics watchdog, says question of whether Boris Johnson broke ministerial code is 'legitimate'

    'It may be especially difficult to inspire trust in ministerial code if any PM, whose code it is, declines to refer to it'

    Lord Geidt warns the ministerial code risks being placed in 'ridicule' and that his position as an independent adviser could be undermined

    He says he repeatedly asked the PM to make a public comment on his obligations under ministerial code

    'That advice has not been heeded'


    https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1531685617339359234

    +10 letters to Graham Brady.
    It reminds me of that moment in that historical film set in Ancient Rome when the would be fascist emperor (the first ever kaiser) said, infamy, infamy, they all got infamy.

    End of days stuff.
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,652
    edited May 2022

    Leon said:

    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    dixiedean said:

    Shortages of GPs. The BBC has published a map, and I had expected it would correlate with Brexit, via left-behind and declining towns, but instead its most striking feature is the clear division between east and west. There are more doctors per 100,000 patients in the west half of the country. Not Brexit country; not the prosperous Home Counties or South-East either.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-61598158

    Northumberland right at the top of the supply there.
    Which is wondrous cos it's three weeks here to see a GP.
    Better or deid by the time you see anyone.
    Jeremy Hunt's new book Zero mentions that he did persuade Theresa May to open medical schools and train more doctors. Hunt says he recruited 3,000 more GPs a year but it made no difference as existing GPs retired or moved to part-time working.
    You can't really say it out loud, but the number of GPs who are women is pretty disastrous. They all seem to be part-time. That obviously impacts in the surgeries but also means the medical schools are so less productive as they are full of female students who will also go part-time after a few years. But, as I say, you can't say this out loud.
    So, wait, you're lamenting the fact that the majority of GPs are women. Have I understood that right?
    No. I'm lamenting the fact that we don't have enough GPs because so many are part-time. And there is indisputably a link to that being because so many are women. Very few men go part-time. It's just a fact and probably needs to be taken into account when it comes to workforce planning.
    So, what do you want to do? Recruit more doctors? Force part timers to work full time?
    It’s a well known problem in healthcare. One thing is too look at recruitment to uni courses. Why are they now dominated by women? Are we sending out the wrong messages? Have we pushed women’s careers so well at the detriment of men’s? Even simple things such as choice of photos in a propectus. Does your course onl6 show women in its photos?
    And then for those in the profession. Of course many will want part time work. Pay is good, they are often married to other good earners too and there is more to life than work. I’m not sure what the answer is to that.
    So... men are put off from becoming doctors because they don't feel represented in prospectuses?

    Are we really having this discussion? I feel like someone's spiked me or something.
    We have this discussion when professions are heavily masculine and masculine for no obvious reason. So, yes, why should we not do the same in reverse? Are you really lacking in wits to that extent?

    The greater success of women/females in GCSEs and then A Levels and then University degrees is now, belatedly, feeding through into the professions. And yes it is a problem if 60-70% of lawyers or GPs or whatever are women (or even more) just as we accept that it is now an issue how women dominate primary school teaching (and it IS a problem). We have successfully made life easier for women - a good thing - but it is now extremely arguable that we have feminised education and the higher professions to an extent that is BAD

    i am the father of two daughters. I want them to succeed. But not at the expense of anyone with a Y chromosome per se

    As a father of boys and a girl, it seems to me that girls are more concerned about being seen to fail. That makes them more conscientious, which means they study harder than boys, who would generally rather being doing anything else.

    Hard to generalise from small samples but with a son and two daughters that's kind of my experience too. Girls seem to mature more quickly too, which helps them. My son doesn't want to be seen as a "neek" but has recently raised his game as I think he is conscious of underperforming.

    I see it in my daughter, her cousins, all their friends. Girls seem to feel much more "judged" than boy and that affects the way they engage with studying. But it is a small cohort and I am a bloke and I guess I am doing some judging myself!

  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,402
    edited May 2022
    Someone's just anonymously posted a Platinum Jubilee fridge magnet through my door.
    Who says excitement isn't approaching fever pitch?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,282

    Leon said:

    YES!!!!


    *airpunch*


    “Rwanda deportation: First migrants to be sent to east African country in a fortnight, says Home Office“”

    https://news.sky.com/story/rwanda-deportation-first-migrants-to-be-sent-to-east-african-country-in-a-fortnight-says-home-office-12624907

    GET IN

    And just imagine how furious you'll be when the courts put the flights on hold because of legal challenges. You will be incandescent and you will heap hate on the lefty lawyers and the judicial establishment. And so the government's culture war strategy will be vindicated once more and on we will go.

    Jesus F Sodding Christ. Do I really need to spell this out?

    It was a joke AIMED at this ludicrous Tory “policy” which the Tory government has no intention of applying in any way that makes sense (ie you have to do it to everyone, like Australia, or it won’t work) because the Tories are futile cowards, scared of the BBC

    If I thought the Tories might actually get all Australian on these migrants, and actually deport them, I would not “air punch”. It would be a grim and ugly necessity, something to be sadly regretted, and reluctantly accepted, not celebrated

    I did me comment to see what daft Lefties would get outraged. An IQ test. You failed
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,506

    Keir and Angela have received questionnaires Labour confirm

    The political excitement is getting unbearable right now. 🤗
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,901
    HYUFD said:

    Having been away at my godfather's funeral this afternoon, I see from earlier posts in this thread I am now described as a Fascist on here, which is apparently what those still loyal to Boris are now described as. Heaven help those posters if they ever faced a real Fascist government!

    Its on its way sweetie. Its what you want. Remember, you earlier said that people who don't vote for you can be ignored by government. That is not the function of government. And your government is moving to silence its critics. Dismantle the rule of law.
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,652
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    YES!!!!


    *airpunch*


    “Rwanda deportation: First migrants to be sent to east African country in a fortnight, says Home Office“”

    https://news.sky.com/story/rwanda-deportation-first-migrants-to-be-sent-to-east-african-country-in-a-fortnight-says-home-office-12624907

    GET IN

    And just imagine how furious you'll be when the courts put the flights on hold because of legal challenges. You will be incandescent and you will heap hate on the lefty lawyers and the judicial establishment. And so the government's culture war strategy will be vindicated once more and on we will go.

    Jesus F Sodding Christ. Do I really need to spell this out?

    It was a joke AIMED at this ludicrous Tory “policy” which the Tory government has no intention of applying in any way that makes sense (ie you have to do it to everyone, like Australia, or it won’t work) because the Tories are futile cowards, scared of the BBC

    If I thought the Tories might actually get all Australian on these migrants, and actually deport them, I would not “air punch”. It would be a grim and ugly necessity, something to be sadly regretted, and reluctantly accepted, not celebrated

    I did me comment to see what daft Lefties would get outraged. An IQ test. You failed

    I was not outraged, I was totally unsurprised. I do have a very low IQ, though.

  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061

    Keir and Angela have received questionnaires Labour confirm

    The political excitement is getting unbearable right now. 🤗
    Their mum said they have to fill them in together but no copying

    Durham police going through the motions
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,329

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    So, the increase in tax rates in Scotland have actually brought in about £200m less than before rather than £500m more. Why is this?

    The answer, sadly, is more complicated than a Laffer curve I told you so, although that certainly plays a part. The average income in Scotland has not risen as rapidly as the average income in rUK. This may, in part, be because some of the highest paid jobs, especially in financial services, are drifting southwards. But it also reflects an economy that is becoming ever more public sector dominated where words like "profit" are dirty things.

    Kate Forbes, fresh from her High School prom, states that the provision of services must be reset (another word for cut) with the priorities being health, social security and helping firms recover. Not sure how much that last one is getting but social security spending is forecast to increase from 10-14% of the budget over the next 4 years. How are firms going to recover when we don't even have a satisfactory railway service? How on earth do we attract foreign investment when people don't even know what currency we will be using in 5 years time? How can we indulge ourselves with Net Zero, another budget priority, when we have oil and gas waiting to be exploited for that nasty profit thing once again in the North Sea.

    Justice is going to be cut, despite an unprecedented backlog of trials from Covid. Victims of crime are going to have to wait even longer for trials where the evidence is all the fainter.

    And still we have no opposition worthy of the name. It's a sad state of affairs.

    All true. As Scottish politics sits within a Unionist vs Nationalist prison which itself is within the ongoing UK Tories vs non Tories battle, the ability to oppose is difficult.

    The simple reality is that for the three opposition parties to effectively work together is politically impossible. They manage it at council level where nobody is looking, but nationally Labour can't drop its pretence that its dominance is about to come back, the LibDems need to be heard so want to stand apart, and nobody will work with the Tories because morals.

    I don't know how we fix it. Because despite the SNP's genuine non-scum compared to the Tories image, they are a big screw up on a whole heap of policy areas. And keep trying to drag us off down the independence rabbit hole without actually wanting to say what is on the other side.
    Scotland desperately needs a new, centrist party, something like what the Tories were turning into under Ruth but with more breadth of vision and proper policy options focused on Scotland. I will be interested to see what Blair, Ruth, Rory and others are up to but the experience of Alba does not give much encouragement.
    If only people listened to Alex Cole-Hamilton. I honestly believe we are trying to offer a new centrist vision - we're certainly not just banging a unionist drum saying "the status quo is best". The problem remains cut-through, and with respect to every non-SNP politician since Ruth Davidson they have been shown to be boring non-entities, or have spectacular implosions, or both. ACH included.
    ACH is OK. But Willie Rennie, when you see him speaking at Holyrood, is really excellent. Need more MSPs like him.

    Scot LibDems are now only really competitive in a handful of places - west end of Edinburgh, NE Fife, the northern bit of Highland, plus the Northern Isles. That's really it. Not sure that I can really see them coming back elsewhere particularly if SLab pick up under Sarwar.
    Holy crap did you have your head run over by a bus, two absolute no users. Wee Wullie was only good for a belly laugh at his stupidity , ACH is useless and more invisible than the Invisible man. Neither are liiberal or Democratic.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,298
    Even Lord “nothing to see here” Geidt has twigged which way the wind is blowing.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,565

    Keir and Angela have received questionnaires Labour confirm

    Cheerio, cheerio, cheerio.....
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,329

    DavidL said:

    So, the increase in tax rates in Scotland have actually brought in about £200m less than before rather than £500m more. Why is this?

    The answer, sadly, is more complicated than a Laffer curve I told you so, although that certainly plays a part. The average income in Scotland has not risen as rapidly as the average income in rUK. This may, in part, be because some of the highest paid jobs, especially in financial services, are drifting southwards. But it also reflects an economy that is becoming ever more public sector dominated where words like "profit" are dirty things.

    Kate Forbes, fresh from her High School prom, states that the provision of services must be reset (another word for cut) with the priorities being health, social security and helping firms recover. Not sure how much that last one is getting but social security spending is forecast to increase from 10-14% of the budget over the next 4 years. How are firms going to recover when we don't even have a satisfactory railway service? How on earth do we attract foreign investment when people don't even know what currency we will be using in 5 years time? How can we indulge ourselves with Net Zero, another budget priority, when we have oil and gas waiting to be exploited for that nasty profit thing once again in the North Sea.

    Justice is going to be cut, despite an unprecedented backlog of trials from Covid. Victims of crime are going to have to wait even longer for trials where the evidence is all the fainter.

    And still we have no opposition worthy of the name. It's a sad state of affairs.

    The IFS is stark:

    Brutal: "On the plans set out today, the axe is set to fall on a wide range of public service areas. Budgets for local government, the police, justice, universities, rural affairs are due to fall by around 8% in real-terms over the next four years."

    https://twitter.com/alistairkgrant/status/1531664418613895168?

    I wonder if they were counting on having more pliant SNP local authorities in place, rather than opposition coalitions who will complain about “SNP CUTS!!!”

    Mind you, since the census is fecked they won’t be able to work out local authority allocations anyway….

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/2022/05/31/nicola-sturgeons-shambolic-scottish-census-has-disaster/
    The plan is to blame Westminster. Yes your services have turned to shite but its the fault of Westminster. If you vote for independence it all magically gets fixed.
    Will the local now non-SNP councils blame Westminster?
    Given the Labour and Tory numpties that will be wrecking them, they will be treated with the contempt that carpetbaggers deserve.
  • ApplicantApplicant Posts: 3,379

    MaxPB said:

    Breaking:

    Lord Geidt, the official ethics watchdog, says question of whether Boris Johnson broke ministerial code is 'legitimate'

    'It may be especially difficult to inspire trust in ministerial code if any PM, whose code it is, declines to refer to it'

    Lord Geidt warns the ministerial code risks being placed in 'ridicule' and that his position as an independent adviser could be undermined

    He says he repeatedly asked the PM to make a public comment on his obligations under ministerial code

    'That advice has not been heeded'


    https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1531685617339359234

    +10 letters to Graham Brady.
    It reminds me of that moment in that historical film set in Ancient Rome when the would be fascist emperor (the first ever kaiser) said, infamy, infamy, they all got infamy.

    End of days stuff.
    Ah, the great Carry On Cleo.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,585

    dixiedean said:

    Shortages of GPs. The BBC has published a map, and I had expected it would correlate with Brexit, via left-behind and declining towns, but instead its most striking feature is the clear division between east and west. There are more doctors per 100,000 patients in the west half of the country. Not Brexit country; not the prosperous Home Counties or South-East either.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-61598158

    Northumberland right at the top of the supply there.
    Which is wondrous cos it's three weeks here to see a GP.
    Better or deid by the time you see anyone.
    Jeremy Hunt's new book Zero mentions that he did persuade Theresa May to open medical schools and train more doctors. Hunt says he recruited 3,000 more GPs a year but it made no difference as existing GPs retired or moved to part-time working.
    You can't really say it out loud, but the number of GPs who are women is pretty disastrous. They all seem to be part-time. That obviously impacts in the surgeries but also means the medical schools are so less productive as they are full of female students who will also go part-time after a few years. But, as I say, you can't say this out loud.
    Yes, say it quietly, but it’s a huge problem for the NHS if half the doctors they’re training up don’t make it 10 years in the profession before an extended sabbatical, possibly followed by another decade or two of part time work.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,329
    Sandpit said:

    geoffw said:

    DavidL said:

    So, the increase in tax rates in Scotland have actually brought in about £200m less than before rather than £500m more. Why is this?

    The answer, sadly, is more complicated than a Laffer curve I told you so, although that certainly plays a part. The average income in Scotland has not risen as rapidly as the average income in rUK. This may, in part, be because some of the highest paid jobs, especially in financial services, are drifting southwards. But it also reflects an economy that is becoming ever more public sector dominated where words like "profit" are dirty things.

    Kate Forbes, fresh from her High School prom, states that the provision of services must be reset (another word for cut) with the priorities being health, social security and helping firms recover. Not sure how much that last one is getting but social security spending is forecast to increase from 10-14% of the budget over the next 4 years. How are firms going to recover when we don't even have a satisfactory railway service? How on earth do we attract foreign investment when people don't even know what currency we will be using in 5 years time? How can we indulge ourselves with Net Zero, another budget priority, when we have oil and gas waiting to be exploited for that nasty profit thing once again in the North Sea.

    Justice is going to be cut, despite an unprecedented backlog of trials from Covid. Victims of crime are going to have to wait even longer for trials where the evidence is all the fainter.

    And still we have no opposition worthy of the name. It's a sad state of affairs.

    The IFS is stark:

    Brutal: "On the plans set out today, the axe is set to fall on a wide range of public service areas. Budgets for local government, the police, justice, universities, rural affairs are due to fall by around 8% in real-terms over the next four years."

    https://twitter.com/alistairkgrant/status/1531664418613895168?

    I wonder if they were counting on having more pliant SNP local authorities in place, rather than opposition coalitions who will complain about “SNP CUTS!!!”

    Mind you, since the census is fecked they won’t be able to work out local authority allocations anyway….

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/2022/05/31/nicola-sturgeons-shambolic-scottish-census-has-disaster/
    Good point on the census fiasco. Someone earlier asked if it has Barnet consequentials. It must have, though what they are who knows?

    T’was I.

    If the official population of Scotland has dropped by half a million, surely that means less money sent North by the UK gov?
    Less of SCotland's money returned I think you mean , we get SFA from down south
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,565

    Taz said:

    kjh said:

    eek said:

    eek said:

    Taz said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Stocky said:

    In next CP leads market (BF) Hunt clear favourite at 6.2, Truss 8.2, Tugendat 8.4, Wallace 10.5.

    I can't see Hunt getting past the membership - I would sell him.

    (Heck it is far from clear that he either stands or makes it past the MPs. Big sell.)
    I don't have any personal information, but I'm a constituent and know him a bit. I'm pretty sure he'll stand, and I agree he'd be good medicine for their Blue Wall problem, more so than Wallace or Truss.
    Do you think he’d be able to keep the red wall too ?
    The Tories best bet iro that is to focus on the bits they are best placed to retain imo - where they took a big lead, Bishop Auckland, Sedgefield, Rother Valley etc, forget Redcar, Leigh etc they are dropping anyway, and look at seats that had a big bxp vote - Hartlepool (obv try and retain from by election) Sunderland etc
    By the time the next election comes Brexit will be 4+ years ago. Voters will be expecting to see results and Bishop Auckland / Sedgefield there is no success to talk about...
    I disagree. I think the shift was for the thing to be done not for it to achieve an end, as we see with the not particularly drastic movement in brexit polling since. The thing was done. It marks a shift in these areas that will partially 'naturally' hold against national movements (opposite true in remainia of course)
    Dehenna in Bishop Auckland for example has a massive majority and first time incumbancy. In all but a meltdown i have her safe
    Do you live or work in the constituency? Or are you looking from a distance without local knowledge, local news, local gossip down the pub...
    I asked @wooliedyed if he lived in another constituency yesterday. If we keep this up he will get paranoid that we trying to track him down.
    I'll make it easy! Im in Norwich South.
    No, i have no specific Bishop Auckland knowledge, eek, and if anyone has then please do counter me. Im going on the 2019 result, the fact shes a first time incumbant and the slightly less drastic loss of support in parts if brexity red wall the locals hinted at. Shes got an 18% majority.
    Gossip down the pub is overrated. All constituencies have very varied wards so unless youre drinking in a LOT of pubs it means very little. Local news, sure, but somebody will usually chime in if there is a specific local issue.
    I’m not in bishop Auckland but I am in a Durham seat and I agree with you. I think the seat has been trending Tory for many years now.
    The other element is Dehenna Davison is a brilliant MP, I rate her highly and think she will go right up the greased pole
    Another reason to get rid of Boris. Clear out time. Give her Rees-Mogg's job.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061

    Even Lord “nothing to see here” Geidt has twigged which way the wind is blowing.

    We just need Raab to make a 'principled resignation' and the end of days bingo card is complete
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,282
    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    dixiedean said:

    Shortages of GPs. The BBC has published a map, and I had expected it would correlate with Brexit, via left-behind and declining towns, but instead its most striking feature is the clear division between east and west. There are more doctors per 100,000 patients in the west half of the country. Not Brexit country; not the prosperous Home Counties or South-East either.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-61598158

    Northumberland right at the top of the supply there.
    Which is wondrous cos it's three weeks here to see a GP.
    Better or deid by the time you see anyone.
    Jeremy Hunt's new book Zero mentions that he did persuade Theresa May to open medical schools and train more doctors. Hunt says he recruited 3,000 more GPs a year but it made no difference as existing GPs retired or moved to part-time working.
    You can't really say it out loud, but the number of GPs who are women is pretty disastrous. They all seem to be part-time. That obviously impacts in the surgeries but also means the medical schools are so less productive as they are full of female students who will also go part-time after a few years. But, as I say, you can't say this out loud.
    So, wait, you're lamenting the fact that the majority of GPs are women. Have I understood that right?
    No. I'm lamenting the fact that we don't have enough GPs because so many are part-time. And there is indisputably a link to that being because so many are women. Very few men go part-time. It's just a fact and probably needs to be taken into account when it comes to workforce planning.
    So, what do you want to do? Recruit more doctors? Force part timers to work full time?
    It’s a well known problem in healthcare. One thing is too look at recruitment to uni courses. Why are they now dominated by women? Are we sending out the wrong messages? Have we pushed women’s careers so well at the detriment of men’s? Even simple things such as choice of photos in a propectus. Does your course onl6 show women in its photos?
    And then for those in the profession. Of course many will want part time work. Pay is good, they are often married to other good earners too and there is more to life than work. I’m not sure what the answer is to that.
    So... men are put off from becoming doctors because they don't feel represented in prospectuses?

    Are we really having this discussion? I feel like someone's spiked me or something.
    It’s a real thing. One of the ways we have tried to encourag3 more women into subjects is to make sure the profession looks like them. So for engineering you will see plenty of female engineers in prospectuses, even when the courses are 80-90 % male. Healthcare has it the other way. You may think it sounds stupid, but it’s not. It is of course not the only thing that can be done.
    "Healthcare" is a broad church.
    But there's no way in hell I'm accepting that there's a perception amongst boys about doctors being a "female" profession.
    I certainly accept that many jobs are seen as gendered and that perception needs to be taken account of. But in the popular imagination, doctors are men. I think a lot of people would be surprised to learn that most GPs are female. It's not a this-is-not-for-me problem. The "lack" of male doctors is down to something else.
    You’re wrong. You’re even wrong in my case

    When I think “GP” I now think, if I gender it: “Woman”. Because at my central London surgery 76% of the GPs are women and have been so for 20 years., The receptionists are also women. The people who do my blood tests (I am hypothyroid) are also women. Nurses are women. Healthcare is female, and this goes to the top. And I am a middle aged git, heading to my 60s

    So for much younger British people the idea of “doctor” must now skew heavily female

  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,070

    HYUFD said:

    Interesting to see from earlier posts in this thread I am now described as a Fascist on here, which is apparently what those still loyal to Boris are now described as. Heaven help those posters if they ever faced a real Fascist government!

    I find the way some throw fascist around deeply unpleasant and of course you are not fascist and neither is Boris
    Whoever it was that suggested Poujadist was (allowing for the passage of half a century or so) rather closer.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre_Poujade#Poujadism
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,175
    Zverev v Alcaraz has been pretty good. Shame that they're on the same side of the draw as Nadal and Djokovic.
  • londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,639

    Taz said:

    kjh said:

    eek said:

    eek said:

    Taz said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Stocky said:

    In next CP leads market (BF) Hunt clear favourite at 6.2, Truss 8.2, Tugendat 8.4, Wallace 10.5.

    I can't see Hunt getting past the membership - I would sell him.

    (Heck it is far from clear that he either stands or makes it past the MPs. Big sell.)
    I don't have any personal information, but I'm a constituent and know him a bit. I'm pretty sure he'll stand, and I agree he'd be good medicine for their Blue Wall problem, more so than Wallace or Truss.
    Do you think he’d be able to keep the red wall too ?
    The Tories best bet iro that is to focus on the bits they are best placed to retain imo - where they took a big lead, Bishop Auckland, Sedgefield, Rother Valley etc, forget Redcar, Leigh etc they are dropping anyway, and look at seats that had a big bxp vote - Hartlepool (obv try and retain from by election) Sunderland etc
    By the time the next election comes Brexit will be 4+ years ago. Voters will be expecting to see results and Bishop Auckland / Sedgefield there is no success to talk about...
    I disagree. I think the shift was for the thing to be done not for it to achieve an end, as we see with the not particularly drastic movement in brexit polling since. The thing was done. It marks a shift in these areas that will partially 'naturally' hold against national movements (opposite true in remainia of course)
    Dehenna in Bishop Auckland for example has a massive majority and first time incumbancy. In all but a meltdown i have her safe
    Do you live or work in the constituency? Or are you looking from a distance without local knowledge, local news, local gossip down the pub...
    I asked @wooliedyed if he lived in another constituency yesterday. If we keep this up he will get paranoid that we trying to track him down.
    I'll make it easy! Im in Norwich South.
    No, i have no specific Bishop Auckland knowledge, eek, and if anyone has then please do counter me. Im going on the 2019 result, the fact shes a first time incumbant and the slightly less drastic loss of support in parts if brexity red wall the locals hinted at. Shes got an 18% majority.
    Gossip down the pub is overrated. All constituencies have very varied wards so unless youre drinking in a LOT of pubs it means very little. Local news, sure, but somebody will usually chime in if there is a specific local issue.
    I’m not in bishop Auckland but I am in a Durham seat and I agree with you. I think the seat has been trending Tory for many years now.
    The other element is Dehenna Davison is a brilliant MP, I rate her highly and think she will go right up the greased pole
    Another reason to get rid of Boris. Clear out time. Give her Rees-Mogg's job.
    Big clear out coming if Boris is replaced
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,039
    Breaking news

    Keir Starmer and Angela Rayner receive questionnaires from Durham Police re beergate
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,506

    Taz said:

    kjh said:

    eek said:

    eek said:

    Taz said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Stocky said:

    In next CP leads market (BF) Hunt clear favourite at 6.2, Truss 8.2, Tugendat 8.4, Wallace 10.5.

    I can't see Hunt getting past the membership - I would sell him.

    (Heck it is far from clear that he either stands or makes it past the MPs. Big sell.)
    I don't have any personal information, but I'm a constituent and know him a bit. I'm pretty sure he'll stand, and I agree he'd be good medicine for their Blue Wall problem, more so than Wallace or Truss.
    Do you think he’d be able to keep the red wall too ?
    The Tories best bet iro that is to focus on the bits they are best placed to retain imo - where they took a big lead, Bishop Auckland, Sedgefield, Rother Valley etc, forget Redcar, Leigh etc they are dropping anyway, and look at seats that had a big bxp vote - Hartlepool (obv try and retain from by election) Sunderland etc
    By the time the next election comes Brexit will be 4+ years ago. Voters will be expecting to see results and Bishop Auckland / Sedgefield there is no success to talk about...
    I disagree. I think the shift was for the thing to be done not for it to achieve an end, as we see with the not particularly drastic movement in brexit polling since. The thing was done. It marks a shift in these areas that will partially 'naturally' hold against national movements (opposite true in remainia of course)
    Dehenna in Bishop Auckland for example has a massive majority and first time incumbancy. In all but a meltdown i have her safe
    Do you live or work in the constituency? Or are you looking from a distance without local knowledge, local news, local gossip down the pub...
    I asked @wooliedyed if he lived in another constituency yesterday. If we keep this up he will get paranoid that we trying to track him down.
    I'll make it easy! Im in Norwich South.
    No, i have no specific Bishop Auckland knowledge, eek, and if anyone has then please do counter me. Im going on the 2019 result, the fact shes a first time incumbant and the slightly less drastic loss of support in parts if brexity red wall the locals hinted at. Shes got an 18% majority.
    Gossip down the pub is overrated. All constituencies have very varied wards so unless youre drinking in a LOT of pubs it means very little. Local news, sure, but somebody will usually chime in if there is a specific local issue.
    I’m not in bishop Auckland but I am in a Durham seat and I agree with you. I think the seat has been trending Tory for many years now.
    The other element is Dehenna Davison is a brilliant MP, I rate her highly and think she will go right up the greased pole
    Another reason to get rid of Boris. Clear out time. Give her Rees-Mogg's job.
    👍🏻 Spot on.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,298
    Nigelb said:

    HYUFD said:

    Interesting to see from earlier posts in this thread I am now described as a Fascist on here, which is apparently what those still loyal to Boris are now described as. Heaven help those posters if they ever faced a real Fascist government!

    I find the way some throw fascist around deeply unpleasant and of course you are not fascist and neither is Boris
    Whoever it was that suggested Poujadist was (allowing for the passage of half a century or so) rather closer.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre_Poujade#Poujadism
    C’etait moi.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,901
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    YES!!!!


    *airpunch*


    “Rwanda deportation: First migrants to be sent to east African country in a fortnight, says Home Office“”

    https://news.sky.com/story/rwanda-deportation-first-migrants-to-be-sent-to-east-african-country-in-a-fortnight-says-home-office-12624907

    GET IN

    And just imagine how furious you'll be when the courts put the flights on hold because of legal challenges. You will be incandescent and you will heap hate on the lefty lawyers and the judicial establishment. And so the government's culture war strategy will be vindicated once more and on we will go.

    Jesus F Sodding Christ. Do I really need to spell this out?

    It was a joke AIMED at this ludicrous Tory “policy” which the Tory government has no intention of applying in any way that makes sense (ie you have to do it to everyone, like Australia, or it won’t work) because the Tories are futile cowards, scared of the BBC

    If I thought the Tories might actually get all Australian on these migrants, and actually deport them, I would not “air punch”. It would be a grim and ugly necessity, something to be sadly regretted, and reluctantly accepted, not celebrated

    I did me comment to see what daft Lefties would get outraged. An IQ test. You failed
    You may jest. The smirking monster does not. Despite Rwanda being dangerous enough that we grant 100% of asylum claims of people fleeing there our government wants its battle in the courts with the leftie lawyers and the traitor judges. Because it thinks enough people are cold-hearted enough to give them credit.

    And if it demolishes relations with the Commonwealth in the Jubilee year? Bloody forrin whiners telling us what we can and can't do...
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,329
    Leon said:

    HYUFD said:

    EPG said:

    DavidL said:

    So, the increase in tax rates in Scotland have actually brought in about £200m less than before rather than £500m more. Why is this?

    The answer, sadly, is more complicated than a Laffer curve I told you so, although that certainly plays a part. The average income in Scotland has not risen as rapidly as the average income in rUK. This may, in part, be because some of the highest paid jobs, especially in financial services, are drifting southwards. But it also reflects an economy that is becoming ever more public sector dominated where words like "profit" are dirty things.

    Kate Forbes, fresh from her High School prom, states that the provision of services must be reset (another word for cut) with the priorities being health, social security and helping firms recover. Not sure how much that last one is getting but social security spending is forecast to increase from 10-14% of the budget over the next 4 years. How are firms going to recover when we don't even have a satisfactory railway service? How on earth do we attract foreign investment when people don't even know what currency we will be using in 5 years time? How can we indulge ourselves with Net Zero, another budget priority, when we have oil and gas waiting to be exploited for that nasty profit thing once again in the North Sea.

    Justice is going to be cut, despite an unprecedented backlog of trials from Covid. Victims of crime are going to have to wait even longer for trials where the evidence is all the fainter.

    And still we have no opposition worthy of the name. It's a sad state of affairs.

    The IFS is stark:

    Brutal: "On the plans set out today, the axe is set to fall on a wide range of public service areas. Budgets for local government, the police, justice, universities, rural affairs are due to fall by around 8% in real-terms over the next four years."

    https://twitter.com/alistairkgrant/status/1531664418613895168?

    I wonder if they were counting on having more pliant SNP local authorities in place, rather than opposition coalitions who will complain about “SNP CUTS!!!”

    Mind you, since the census is fecked they won’t be able to work out local authority allocations anyway….

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/2022/05/31/nicola-sturgeons-shambolic-scottish-census-has-disaster/
    The plan is to blame Westminster. Yes your services have turned to shite but its the fault of Westminster. If you vote for independence it all magically gets fixed.
    It all shows how disastrous identity politics can be. In Scotland the SNP are assured of c40% whatever they do thus breaking the link between performance and electoral reward. Does not bode well.
    Why don't other large parties try compete for SNP voters, then? In a democracy, it seems fair enough that parties should move toward the voters. But perhaps the problem is that they are hidebound by disastrous British unionist identity politics.
    The SNP got 45% at the last general election, exactly the same as Yes got in 2014, they are the party for pro independence Nationalists, there is no point trying to win them over if you are a Unionist party
    But this will fade….. in time…..
    Leon , stop being a ninny, stick to what you know
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,070
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    EPG said:

    I remember when SeanT was fantasising about deporting or interning all British Muslims back in 2016. The prospect of mass deportations of law-abiding foreigners to scratch the racist itch seemed remote back then.

    Just rejoice at this news of Rwandan deportations. Hopefully the first of billions. Once we’ve sent every single “migrant” to Kigali we should move on to France, and deport them as well, maybe to Burundi. Thus reclaiming Aquitaine
    Why do you care who comes to this country? You're never fucking here.
    A very fair point

    Tho it doesn’t seem to stop @Gardenwalker, @edmundintokyo, @Roger, @rcs1000, @felix, @Aslan and innumerable other PB-ers

    Indeed if we made it a PB law that you can’t post about British politics if you aren’t in Britain then we’d be reduced to you, a man who is so pitifully scared of “driving on the right” he won’t holiday abroad. And I would hate to see PB so enfeebled and epicene
    Was anyone suggesting that ?
    Just why it was that you cared.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,298
    edited May 2022
    malcolmg said:

    Sandpit said:

    geoffw said:

    DavidL said:

    So, the increase in tax rates in Scotland have actually brought in about £200m less than before rather than £500m more. Why is this?

    The answer, sadly, is more complicated than a Laffer curve I told you so, although that certainly plays a part. The average income in Scotland has not risen as rapidly as the average income in rUK. This may, in part, be because some of the highest paid jobs, especially in financial services, are drifting southwards. But it also reflects an economy that is becoming ever more public sector dominated where words like "profit" are dirty things.

    Kate Forbes, fresh from her High School prom, states that the provision of services must be reset (another word for cut) with the priorities being health, social security and helping firms recover. Not sure how much that last one is getting but social security spending is forecast to increase from 10-14% of the budget over the next 4 years. How are firms going to recover when we don't even have a satisfactory railway service? How on earth do we attract foreign investment when people don't even know what currency we will be using in 5 years time? How can we indulge ourselves with Net Zero, another budget priority, when we have oil and gas waiting to be exploited for that nasty profit thing once again in the North Sea.

    Justice is going to be cut, despite an unprecedented backlog of trials from Covid. Victims of crime are going to have to wait even longer for trials where the evidence is all the fainter.

    And still we have no opposition worthy of the name. It's a sad state of affairs.

    The IFS is stark:

    Brutal: "On the plans set out today, the axe is set to fall on a wide range of public service areas. Budgets for local government, the police, justice, universities, rural affairs are due to fall by around 8% in real-terms over the next four years."

    https://twitter.com/alistairkgrant/status/1531664418613895168?

    I wonder if they were counting on having more pliant SNP local authorities in place, rather than opposition coalitions who will complain about “SNP CUTS!!!”

    Mind you, since the census is fecked they won’t be able to work out local authority allocations anyway….

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/2022/05/31/nicola-sturgeons-shambolic-scottish-census-has-disaster/
    Good point on the census fiasco. Someone earlier asked if it has Barnet consequentials. It must have, though what they are who knows?

    T’was I.

    If the official population of Scotland has dropped by half a million, surely that means less money sent North by the UK gov?
    Less of SCotland's money returned I think you mean , we get SFA from down south
    Malcolm, the sad fact is that Scotland’s economy is in relative decline because navel-gazing about independence is not a growth strategy.

    (Same is true of Brexit at a larger scale).
  • OllyTOllyT Posts: 5,006
    Scott_xP said:

    BREAKING: The Home Office announce the first Rwanda relocation flight will take place on June 14th for channel migrants.

    Around 100 people have been told they will be on the flight - but officials are braced for fierce legal challenges


    https://twitter.com/thejonnyreilly/status/1531670111668604930

    Does BoZo get evicted the same day ? :)

    It is no coincidence that the date announced for the first flight is 7 days before the critical by-elections. It's being done to drag the immigration issue to the forefront in time to try to deflect from Johnson's many failings..

    Sadly everything this government does has to be looked at through the prism of saving Big Dog. Saving Johnson's neck seems to be the only discernible strategy this government has had for the last 6 months.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,632
    Heh.


  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,506

    Breaking news

    Keir Starmer and Angela Rayner receive questionnaires from Durham Police re beergate

    Okay, so as widely predicted no one at this work event gets an FPN. But another element to this is Starmer and Rayner have now set a high bar for themselves for the rest of their careers with their public stand issued here. It will take much less for one of them to stand down in future than it will take for Boris to, so they need to be lucky and very diligent to some degree.
  • BannedinnParisBannedinnParis Posts: 1,884

    Breaking news

    Keir Starmer and Angela Rayner receive questionnaires from Durham Police re beergate

    but ... they said Angela wasn't there ...
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,901
    Number 10 has had a busy day. Ringing round MPs promising to sack junior ministers and promote them if they back him. And apparently an all day operation trying to persuade Geight not to resign https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1531696290349948930
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,896
    Sandpit said:

    dixiedean said:

    Shortages of GPs. The BBC has published a map, and I had expected it would correlate with Brexit, via left-behind and declining towns, but instead its most striking feature is the clear division between east and west. There are more doctors per 100,000 patients in the west half of the country. Not Brexit country; not the prosperous Home Counties or South-East either.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-61598158

    Northumberland right at the top of the supply there.
    Which is wondrous cos it's three weeks here to see a GP.
    Better or deid by the time you see anyone.
    Jeremy Hunt's new book Zero mentions that he did persuade Theresa May to open medical schools and train more doctors. Hunt says he recruited 3,000 more GPs a year but it made no difference as existing GPs retired or moved to part-time working.
    You can't really say it out loud, but the number of GPs who are women is pretty disastrous. They all seem to be part-time. That obviously impacts in the surgeries but also means the medical schools are so less productive as they are full of female students who will also go part-time after a few years. But, as I say, you can't say this out loud.
    Yes, say it quietly, but it’s a huge problem for the NHS if half the doctors they’re training up don’t make it 10 years in the profession before an extended sabbatical, possibly followed by another decade or two of part time work.
    Junior doctors taking years out is common. It may be one issue is that doctors need to choose their training paths too far in advance. Another might be that medical school recruitment is picking up the wrong people — any sixth former who gets top grades in science subjects will see medicine as one of the best paid and highest status options.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 22,822
    tlg86 said:

    Zverev v Alcaraz has been pretty good. Shame that they're on the same side of the draw as Nadal and Djokovic.

    The boy is a bit special.
  • pigeonpigeon Posts: 4,839
    Leon said:

    HYUFD said:

    EPG said:

    DavidL said:

    So, the increase in tax rates in Scotland have actually brought in about £200m less than before rather than £500m more. Why is this?

    The answer, sadly, is more complicated than a Laffer curve I told you so, although that certainly plays a part. The average income in Scotland has not risen as rapidly as the average income in rUK. This may, in part, be because some of the highest paid jobs, especially in financial services, are drifting southwards. But it also reflects an economy that is becoming ever more public sector dominated where words like "profit" are dirty things.

    Kate Forbes, fresh from her High School prom, states that the provision of services must be reset (another word for cut) with the priorities being health, social security and helping firms recover. Not sure how much that last one is getting but social security spending is forecast to increase from 10-14% of the budget over the next 4 years. How are firms going to recover when we don't even have a satisfactory railway service? How on earth do we attract foreign investment when people don't even know what currency we will be using in 5 years time? How can we indulge ourselves with Net Zero, another budget priority, when we have oil and gas waiting to be exploited for that nasty profit thing once again in the North Sea.

    Justice is going to be cut, despite an unprecedented backlog of trials from Covid. Victims of crime are going to have to wait even longer for trials where the evidence is all the fainter.

    And still we have no opposition worthy of the name. It's a sad state of affairs.

    The IFS is stark:

    Brutal: "On the plans set out today, the axe is set to fall on a wide range of public service areas. Budgets for local government, the police, justice, universities, rural affairs are due to fall by around 8% in real-terms over the next four years."

    https://twitter.com/alistairkgrant/status/1531664418613895168?

    I wonder if they were counting on having more pliant SNP local authorities in place, rather than opposition coalitions who will complain about “SNP CUTS!!!”

    Mind you, since the census is fecked they won’t be able to work out local authority allocations anyway….

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/2022/05/31/nicola-sturgeons-shambolic-scottish-census-has-disaster/
    The plan is to blame Westminster. Yes your services have turned to shite but its the fault of Westminster. If you vote for independence it all magically gets fixed.
    It all shows how disastrous identity politics can be. In Scotland the SNP are assured of c40% whatever they do thus breaking the link between performance and electoral reward. Does not bode well.
    Why don't other large parties try compete for SNP voters, then? In a democracy, it seems fair enough that parties should move toward the voters. But perhaps the problem is that they are hidebound by disastrous British unionist identity politics.
    The SNP got 45% at the last general election, exactly the same as Yes got in 2014, they are the party for pro independence Nationalists, there is no point trying to win them over if you are a Unionist party
    But this will fade….. in time…..
    Would that be before or after the Sun grows ancient and engulfs the Earth? :smile:
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,506

    Keir and Angela have received questionnaires Labour confirm

    Cheerio, cheerio, cheerio.....
    Your savking yourself in the morning
  • BannedinnParisBannedinnParis Posts: 1,884
    kle4 said:

    Farooq said:

    Two things. Firstly, judging by the way everyone is talking on here, the only thing now that can save Boris is something the causes a deep and immediate political freeze that lasts the few weeks and distracts the public. So, er, long live the King I guess.

    You're not following your thoughts on fascism to their logical conclusion:

    @IndiaWilloughby
    When the Queen dies, wouldn’t be surprised if Boris appoints himself Fuhrer and assumes total control. That’s how close I think Britain is to Nazi Germany.


    https://twitter.com/IndiaWilloughby/status/1528554584481927173
    Perhaps I am naiive, but I think we are slightly further away from Nazi Germany than that.
    We haven't even got to the cabaret club stage.

    For shame.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,298
    Farooq said:

    Number 10 has had a busy day. Ringing round MPs promising to sack junior ministers and promote them if they back him. And apparently an all day operation trying to persuade Geight not to resign https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1531696290349948930

    Prepare for CoE Peter Bone; Home Sec Christopher Chope; Foreign Sec Desmond Swayne.

    Andrew Rosindell is otherwise engaged, I believe.
    Bone, Chope, & Swayne sounds like a firm of lawyers from a Dickens book
    Hehe my previous post seems to have disappeared.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,433

    MaxPB said:

    Breaking:

    Lord Geidt, the official ethics watchdog, says question of whether Boris Johnson broke ministerial code is 'legitimate'

    'It may be especially difficult to inspire trust in ministerial code if any PM, whose code it is, declines to refer to it'

    Lord Geidt warns the ministerial code risks being placed in 'ridicule' and that his position as an independent adviser could be undermined

    He says he repeatedly asked the PM to make a public comment on his obligations under ministerial code

    'That advice has not been heeded'


    https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1531685617339359234

    +10 letters to Graham Brady.
    It reminds me of that moment in that historical film set in Ancient Rome when the would be fascist emperor (the first ever kaiser) said, infamy, infamy, they all got infamy.

    End of days stuff.
    Kenneth Williams I believe.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,175

    tlg86 said:

    Zverev v Alcaraz has been pretty good. Shame that they're on the same side of the draw as Nadal and Djokovic.

    The boy is a bit special.
    Alcaraz? Agreed, but Zverev did well to come through in the end. Great tie break.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,896

    Breaking news

    Keir Starmer and Angela Rayner receive questionnaires from Durham Police re beergate

    but ... they said Angela wasn't there ...
    Have they said Boris wasn't there? That would be the kicker.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,901
    Meanwhile in the definitely nothing to see here time to move on world of government, another Lord is being investigated for recommending his own company to receive £50m of PPE contracts

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/may/31/lords-standards-watchdog-investigates-tory-peer-over-vip-ppe-contracts
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 22,822
    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    Zverev v Alcaraz has been pretty good. Shame that they're on the same side of the draw as Nadal and Djokovic.

    The boy is a bit special.
    Alcaraz? Agreed, but Zverev did well to come through in the end. Great tie break.
    Yes, he is finally the successor to Federer, Nadal and Djokovic.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,901
    In other news the Gulag for Refugees planned to be opened in North Yorkshire has run into trouble. Locals don't want their village turned into Guantanamo Bay and the Home Office keeps not making a decision.

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/may/31/plan-to-move-1500-asylum-seekers-to-yorkshire-village-hit-by-delay
  • BannedinnParisBannedinnParis Posts: 1,884

    Breaking news

    Keir Starmer and Angela Rayner receive questionnaires from Durham Police re beergate

    but ... they said Angela wasn't there ...
    Have they said Boris wasn't there? That would be the kicker.
    Is it really a party otherwise?
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,433
    We need to be sending people to Rwanda for it to discourage anyone from getting on a dinghy and setting sail for our rainy haven. This is welcome news therefore.

    I quite like the Government being in desperation mode. It would be nice if they were so desperate to placate the voting public all the time.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,862

    HYUFD said:

    Interesting to see from earlier posts in this thread I am now described as a Fascist on here, which is apparently what those still loyal to Boris are now described as. Heaven help those posters if they ever faced a real Fascist government!

    I find the way some throw fascist around deeply unpleasant and of course you are not fascist and neither is Boris
    But he would be, if he thought it would do him any good - that’s the real point.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,921

    HYUFD said:

    Having been away at my godfather's funeral this afternoon, I see from earlier posts in this thread I am now described as a Fascist on here, which is apparently what those still loyal to Boris are now described as. Heaven help those posters if they ever faced a real Fascist government!

    Its on its way sweetie. Its what you want. Remember, you earlier said that people who don't vote for you can be ignored by government. That is not the function of government. And your government is moving to silence its critics. Dismantle the rule of law.
    If that was really the case you would already have been interned long ago, without trial!
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,506
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    YES!!!!


    *airpunch*


    “Rwanda deportation: First migrants to be sent to east African country in a fortnight, says Home Office“”

    https://news.sky.com/story/rwanda-deportation-first-migrants-to-be-sent-to-east-african-country-in-a-fortnight-says-home-office-12624907

    GET IN

    And just imagine how furious you'll be when the courts put the flights on hold because of legal challenges. You will be incandescent and you will heap hate on the lefty lawyers and the judicial establishment. And so the government's culture war strategy will be vindicated once more and on we will go.

    Jesus F Sodding Christ. Do I really need to spell this out?

    It was a joke AIMED at this ludicrous Tory “policy” which the Tory government has no intention of applying in any way that makes sense (ie you have to do it to everyone, like Australia, or it won’t work) because the Tories are futile cowards, scared of the BBC

    If I thought the Tories might actually get all Australian on these migrants, and actually deport them, I would not “air punch”. It would be a grim and ugly necessity, something to be sadly regretted, and reluctantly accepted, not celebrated

    I did me comment to see what daft Lefties would get outraged. An IQ test. You failed
    I knew you joking and teasing.

    There isn’t anyone in this country… I’ll rephrase that, there is no UK citizen anywhere in the world who actually believes this costly policy will actually work to get THAT excited about it.

    But it is a damaging issue for the incumbent conservatives, if not this “fig leaf” proposal, what real policy can they turn to?

    I havn’t a clue. These people are not just fleeing oppression, be it tribal, political, sexual, war, poverty, lack of future if they keep going through many other countries to come here - There is this ‘Dick Whittington’ mentality about the people crossing third of the world, through other countries, risking their lives just to come here - whilst they have that in their heads what can you Really do? Germany wants them, yet they want to be here. What can you do?
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,901
    IanB2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Interesting to see from earlier posts in this thread I am now described as a Fascist on here, which is apparently what those still loyal to Boris are now described as. Heaven help those posters if they ever faced a real Fascist government!

    I find the way some throw fascist around deeply unpleasant and of course you are not fascist and neither is Boris
    But he would be, if he thought it would do him any good - that’s the real point.
    And the excuse is "he's not fascist, he's a very naughty boy" who has adopted a whole load of policies and ideals from the fascist play book. Is he Mosley? Course not. But in 2022 Mosley wouldn't be 1932 Mosley either. He'd be more like Farage who also exhibits policies and ideals from the fascist play book.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,220
    IanB2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Interesting to see from earlier posts in this thread I am now described as a Fascist on here, which is apparently what those still loyal to Boris are now described as. Heaven help those posters if they ever faced a real Fascist government!

    I find the way some throw fascist around deeply unpleasant and of course you are not fascist and neither is Boris
    But he would be, if he thought it would do him any good - that’s the real point.
    Nah. He's too lazy to be a proper fascist.

    [Ironic Ken Livingstone mode=ON]
    Say what you like about Hitler and Muss, but they put the hours in.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,901
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Having been away at my godfather's funeral this afternoon, I see from earlier posts in this thread I am now described as a Fascist on here, which is apparently what those still loyal to Boris are now described as. Heaven help those posters if they ever faced a real Fascist government!

    Its on its way sweetie. Its what you want. Remember, you earlier said that people who don't vote for you can be ignored by government. That is not the function of government. And your government is moving to silence its critics. Dismantle the rule of law.
    If that was really the case you would already have been interned long ago, without trial!
    Considering that this government is trying to inter people without trial at RAF Linton-upon-Ouse, you say that without any irony. And that it attacks judges and lawyers whilst undermining the rule of law. Because if lawyers can make the legal case in the high court to show that your lot are acting illegally, the fault isn't your lot acting illegally. No, its the fault of the judges and lawyers. And when the media report this then we need to find ways to stop them dissenting. And when people protest we need to clamp down on that as well. MPs not being pliant? Simply dissolve parliament and rule by decree.

    Call it what you want. The demolition of our society and the framework that protects us is there to see. And you would go further would you not?
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,220

    In other news the Gulag for Refugees planned to be opened in North Yorkshire has run into trouble. Locals don't want their village turned into Guantanamo Bay and the Home Office keeps not making a decision.

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/may/31/plan-to-move-1500-asylum-seekers-to-yorkshire-village-hit-by-delay

    So the Yorkshire prong of the asylum plan has higher capacity than the Rwanda prong?

    Colour me totes unsurprised.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,862
    edited May 2022

    IanB2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Interesting to see from earlier posts in this thread I am now described as a Fascist on here, which is apparently what those still loyal to Boris are now described as. Heaven help those posters if they ever faced a real Fascist government!

    I find the way some throw fascist around deeply unpleasant and of course you are not fascist and neither is Boris
    But he would be, if he thought it would do him any good - that’s the real point.
    Nah. He's too lazy to be a proper fascist.

    [Ironic Ken Livingstone mode=ON]
    Say what you like about Hitler and Muss, but they put the hours in.
    Yes, but this and the comments above miss the essential point.

    If there were a viable route to becoming a fascist - dispensing with democracy and using a combination of political power and brute force to stay in power - both Johnson and Trump would take it like a shot. That they didn’t and haven’t is testament to the strength of our institutions - political, judicial, media - and social culture, rather than any intrinsic merit or integrity on the part of the two potential gangsters themselves. And the US has the more to worry about on that score.

    For reassurance, look to whether said individuals are working to re-enforce, or undermine, said institutions….
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,961

    kle4 said:

    Farooq said:

    Two things. Firstly, judging by the way everyone is talking on here, the only thing now that can save Boris is something the causes a deep and immediate political freeze that lasts the few weeks and distracts the public. So, er, long live the King I guess.

    You're not following your thoughts on fascism to their logical conclusion:

    @IndiaWilloughby
    When the Queen dies, wouldn’t be surprised if Boris appoints himself Fuhrer and assumes total control. That’s how close I think Britain is to Nazi Germany.


    https://twitter.com/IndiaWilloughby/status/1528554584481927173
    Perhaps I am naiive, but I think we are slightly further away from Nazi Germany than that.
    We haven't even got to the cabaret club stage.

    For shame.
    Reached the depraved sex stage though: overweight pole dancers wrapped in UJs, sexy tractors, the possibility that someone might bump uglies with Fabricant, it's like a heavy night on Potsdamer Strasse.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,838

    In other news the Gulag for Refugees planned to be opened in North Yorkshire has run into trouble. Locals don't want their village turned into Guantanamo Bay and the Home Office keeps not making a decision.

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/may/31/plan-to-move-1500-asylum-seekers-to-yorkshire-village-hit-by-delay

    So the Yorkshire prong of the asylum plan has higher capacity than the Rwanda prong?

    Colour me totes unsurprised.
    Hmm, the village would end up with 3.5x as many people as before. No idea how many lived on the airfield when it was a Raff base but there couldn't have been that many crab fats there?? And that doesn't take into account the prison guards, sorry contractors, working there.

    I do wonder if the HO thought to check a few details, like power supply and sewerage capacity. No wonder the local council is not happy about not being allowed to check for breaches of planning guidelines.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,838

    kle4 said:

    Farooq said:

    Two things. Firstly, judging by the way everyone is talking on here, the only thing now that can save Boris is something the causes a deep and immediate political freeze that lasts the few weeks and distracts the public. So, er, long live the King I guess.

    You're not following your thoughts on fascism to their logical conclusion:

    @IndiaWilloughby
    When the Queen dies, wouldn’t be surprised if Boris appoints himself Fuhrer and assumes total control. That’s how close I think Britain is to Nazi Germany.


    https://twitter.com/IndiaWilloughby/status/1528554584481927173
    Perhaps I am naiive, but I think we are slightly further away from Nazi Germany than that.
    We haven't even got to the cabaret club stage.

    For shame.
    Reached the depraved sex stage though: overweight pole dancers wrapped in UJs, sexy tractors, the possibility that someone might bump uglies with Fabricant, it's like a heavy night on Potsdamer Strasse.
    IIRC they had specialist nightvclubs/streets for every kink in Weimar Berlin, if Philip Kerr's novels are any guide.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,585

    Sandpit said:

    dixiedean said:

    Shortages of GPs. The BBC has published a map, and I had expected it would correlate with Brexit, via left-behind and declining towns, but instead its most striking feature is the clear division between east and west. There are more doctors per 100,000 patients in the west half of the country. Not Brexit country; not the prosperous Home Counties or South-East either.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-61598158

    Northumberland right at the top of the supply there.
    Which is wondrous cos it's three weeks here to see a GP.
    Better or deid by the time you see anyone.
    Jeremy Hunt's new book Zero mentions that he did persuade Theresa May to open medical schools and train more doctors. Hunt says he recruited 3,000 more GPs a year but it made no difference as existing GPs retired or moved to part-time working.
    You can't really say it out loud, but the number of GPs who are women is pretty disastrous. They all seem to be part-time. That obviously impacts in the surgeries but also means the medical schools are so less productive as they are full of female students who will also go part-time after a few years. But, as I say, you can't say this out loud.
    Yes, say it quietly, but it’s a huge problem for the NHS if half the doctors they’re training up don’t make it 10 years in the profession before an extended sabbatical, possibly followed by another decade or two of part time work.
    Junior doctors taking years out is common. It may be one issue is that doctors need to choose their training paths too far in advance. Another might be that medical school recruitment is picking up the wrong people — any sixth former who gets top grades in science subjects will see medicine as one of the best paid and highest status options.
    Indeed. It’s a really difficult problem to solve, but the reality on the ground is that a lot of women doctors spend as much time studying and training, as they end up spending in practice.

    These women will have gone into the profession looking forward to a long career, but will mostly ‘marry well’, often to another doctor, lawyer or similar professional, and will take extended leave when the first child comes along, often until the last child is at secondary school, before returning part time. It’s a great example of where social science meets reality.

    There will, of course, be a lot of exceptions to this generalisation, but there has been a lot of research on the subject in recent years.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,153
    edited May 2022
    Sandpit said:

    dixiedean said:

    Shortages of GPs. The BBC has published a map, and I had expected it would correlate with Brexit, via left-behind and declining towns, but instead its most striking feature is the clear division between east and west. There are more doctors per 100,000 patients in the west half of the country. Not Brexit country; not the prosperous Home Counties or South-East either.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-61598158

    Northumberland right at the top of the supply there.
    Which is wondrous cos it's three weeks here to see a GP.
    Better or deid by the time you see anyone.
    Jeremy Hunt's new book Zero mentions that he did persuade Theresa May to open medical schools and train more doctors. Hunt says he recruited 3,000 more GPs a year but it made no difference as existing GPs retired or moved to part-time working.
    You can't really say it out loud, but the number of GPs who are women is pretty disastrous. They all seem to be part-time. That obviously impacts in the surgeries but also means the medical schools are so less productive as they are full of female students who will also go part-time after a few years. But, as I say, you can't say this out loud.
    Yes, say it quietly, but it’s a huge problem for the NHS if half the doctors they’re training up don’t make it 10 years in the profession before an extended sabbatical, possibly followed by another decade or two of part time work.
    It's much more of a problem for hospital work than for GPs, mind.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,921
    edited May 2022
    Nadine Dorries announces Bradford as UK city of culture 2025
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,153
    Leon said:

    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    dixiedean said:

    Shortages of GPs. The BBC has published a map, and I had expected it would correlate with Brexit, via left-behind and declining towns, but instead its most striking feature is the clear division between east and west. There are more doctors per 100,000 patients in the west half of the country. Not Brexit country; not the prosperous Home Counties or South-East either.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-61598158

    Northumberland right at the top of the supply there.
    Which is wondrous cos it's three weeks here to see a GP.
    Better or deid by the time you see anyone.
    Jeremy Hunt's new book Zero mentions that he did persuade Theresa May to open medical schools and train more doctors. Hunt says he recruited 3,000 more GPs a year but it made no difference as existing GPs retired or moved to part-time working.
    You can't really say it out loud, but the number of GPs who are women is pretty disastrous. They all seem to be part-time. That obviously impacts in the surgeries but also means the medical schools are so less productive as they are full of female students who will also go part-time after a few years. But, as I say, you can't say this out loud.
    So, wait, you're lamenting the fact that the majority of GPs are women. Have I understood that right?
    No. I'm lamenting the fact that we don't have enough GPs because so many are part-time. And there is indisputably a link to that being because so many are women. Very few men go part-time. It's just a fact and probably needs to be taken into account when it comes to workforce planning.
    So, what do you want to do? Recruit more doctors? Force part timers to work full time?
    It’s a well known problem in healthcare. One thing is too look at recruitment to uni courses. Why are they now dominated by women? Are we sending out the wrong messages? Have we pushed women’s careers so well at the detriment of men’s? Even simple things such as choice of photos in a propectus. Does your course onl6 show women in its photos?
    And then for those in the profession. Of course many will want part time work. Pay is good, they are often married to other good earners too and there is more to life than work. I’m not sure what the answer is to that.
    So... men are put off from becoming doctors because they don't feel represented in prospectuses?

    Are we really having this discussion? I feel like someone's spiked me or something.
    It’s a real thing. One of the ways we have tried to encourag3 more women into subjects is to make sure the profession looks like them. So for engineering you will see plenty of female engineers in prospectuses, even when the courses are 80-90 % male. Healthcare has it the other way. You may think it sounds stupid, but it’s not. It is of course not the only thing that can be done.
    "Healthcare" is a broad church.
    But there's no way in hell I'm accepting that there's a perception amongst boys about doctors being a "female" profession.
    I certainly accept that many jobs are seen as gendered and that perception needs to be taken account of. But in the popular imagination, doctors are men. I think a lot of people would be surprised to learn that most GPs are female. It's not a this-is-not-for-me problem. The "lack" of male doctors is down to something else.
    You’re wrong. You’re even wrong in my case

    When I think “GP” I now think, if I gender it: “Woman”. Because at my central London surgery 76% of the GPs are women and have been so for 20 years., The receptionists are also women. The people who do my blood tests (I am hypothyroid) are also women. Nurses are women. Healthcare is female, and this goes to the top. And I am a middle aged git, heading to my 60s

    So for much younger British people the idea of “doctor” must now skew heavily female

    Surgeons still skew male, IIRC. But other than that - neurology, psychology, anesthesia, GPs, nurses, etc. - it skews female.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,716

    kle4 said:

    Farooq said:

    Two things. Firstly, judging by the way everyone is talking on here, the only thing now that can save Boris is something the causes a deep and immediate political freeze that lasts the few weeks and distracts the public. So, er, long live the King I guess.

    You're not following your thoughts on fascism to their logical conclusion:

    @IndiaWilloughby
    When the Queen dies, wouldn’t be surprised if Boris appoints himself Fuhrer and assumes total control. That’s how close I think Britain is to Nazi Germany.


    https://twitter.com/IndiaWilloughby/status/1528554584481927173
    Perhaps I am naiive, but I think we are slightly further away from Nazi Germany than that.
    We haven't even got to the cabaret club stage.

    For shame.
    We are at the inflation stage though...

    :smile:
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,506
    HYUFD said:

    Native Dorries announces Bradford as UK city of culture 2025

    You are joking 🫣
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,716

    Number 10 has had a busy day. Ringing round MPs promising to sack junior ministers and promote them if they back him. And apparently an all day operation trying to persuade Geight not to resign https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1531696290349948930

    If they believe a Johnson promise then they have learnt absolutely nothing in last two years.


  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,368
    edited May 2022
    Just caught a headline, "Starmer and Rayner issued with..."

    Looks bad.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,220
    IanB2 said:

    IanB2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Interesting to see from earlier posts in this thread I am now described as a Fascist on here, which is apparently what those still loyal to Boris are now described as. Heaven help those posters if they ever faced a real Fascist government!

    I find the way some throw fascist around deeply unpleasant and of course you are not fascist and neither is Boris
    But he would be, if he thought it would do him any good - that’s the real point.
    Nah. He's too lazy to be a proper fascist.

    [Ironic Ken Livingstone mode=ON]
    Say what you like about Hitler and Muss, but they put the hours in.
    Yes, but this and the comments above miss the essential point.

    If there were a viable route to becoming a fascist - dispensing with democracy and using a combination of political power and brute force to stay in power - both Johnson and Trump would take it like a shot. That they didn’t and haven’t is testament to the strength of our institutions - political, judicial, media - and social culture, rather than any intrinsic merit or integrity on the part of the two potential gangsters themselves. And the US has the more to worry about on that score.

    For reassurance, look to whether said individuals are working to re-enforce, or undermine, said institutions….
    Which is why, when push comes to shove, it's better to be a Brit than a Yank.

    UK institutions have been badly bruised by the last few years, and when this is over, some fortification wouldn't go amiss.

    But we're in a better place than the USA.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,716

    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges
    ·
    1h
    Like I said on Sunday, the only way Partygate ends is with a leadership contest. There is no other way to draw a line under all this.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,896
    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    dixiedean said:

    Shortages of GPs. The BBC has published a map, and I had expected it would correlate with Brexit, via left-behind and declining towns, but instead its most striking feature is the clear division between east and west. There are more doctors per 100,000 patients in the west half of the country. Not Brexit country; not the prosperous Home Counties or South-East either.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-61598158

    Northumberland right at the top of the supply there.
    Which is wondrous cos it's three weeks here to see a GP.
    Better or deid by the time you see anyone.
    Jeremy Hunt's new book Zero mentions that he did persuade Theresa May to open medical schools and train more doctors. Hunt says he recruited 3,000 more GPs a year but it made no difference as existing GPs retired or moved to part-time working.
    You can't really say it out loud, but the number of GPs who are women is pretty disastrous. They all seem to be part-time. That obviously impacts in the surgeries but also means the medical schools are so less productive as they are full of female students who will also go part-time after a few years. But, as I say, you can't say this out loud.
    So, wait, you're lamenting the fact that the majority of GPs are women. Have I understood that right?
    No. I'm lamenting the fact that we don't have enough GPs because so many are part-time. And there is indisputably a link to that being because so many are women. Very few men go part-time. It's just a fact and probably needs to be taken into account when it comes to workforce planning.
    So, what do you want to do? Recruit more doctors? Force part timers to work full time?
    It’s a well known problem in healthcare. One thing is too look at recruitment to uni courses. Why are they now dominated by women? Are we sending out the wrong messages? Have we pushed women’s careers so well at the detriment of men’s? Even simple things such as choice of photos in a propectus. Does your course onl6 show women in its photos?
    And then for those in the profession. Of course many will want part time work. Pay is good, they are often married to other good earners too and there is more to life than work. I’m not sure what the answer is to that.
    So... men are put off from becoming doctors because they don't feel represented in prospectuses?

    Are we really having this discussion? I feel like someone's spiked me or something.
    It’s a real thing. One of the ways we have tried to encourag3 more women into subjects is to make sure the profession looks like them. So for engineering you will see plenty of female engineers in prospectuses, even when the courses are 80-90 % male. Healthcare has it the other way. You may think it sounds stupid, but it’s not. It is of course not the only thing that can be done.
    "Healthcare" is a broad church.
    But there's no way in hell I'm accepting that there's a perception amongst boys about doctors being a "female" profession.
    I certainly accept that many jobs are seen as gendered and that perception needs to be taken account of. But in the popular imagination, doctors are men. I think a lot of people would be surprised to learn that most GPs are female. It's not a this-is-not-for-me problem. The "lack" of male doctors is down to something else.
    You’re wrong. You’re even wrong in my case

    When I think “GP” I now think, if I gender it: “Woman”. Because at my central London surgery 76% of the GPs are women and have been so for 20 years., The receptionists are also women. The people who do my blood tests (I am hypothyroid) are also women. Nurses are women. Healthcare is female, and this goes to the top. And I am a middle aged git, heading to my 60s

    So for much younger British people the idea of “doctor” must now skew heavily female

    Surgeons still skew male, IIRC. But other than that - neurology, psychology, anesthesia, GPs, nurses, etc. - it skews female.
    The interesting speciality in that regard is obstetrics & gynaecology. Here it is abbreviated to obs & gynae, and there are still lots of male consultants. Americans call it obgyn, pronouncing each letter separately, and it has turned overwhelmingly female over the past couple of decades. Fans of the book and recent television series, This Is Going To Hurt, may also know it as brats and twats.
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 9,679

    Just caught a headline, "Starmer and Rayner issued with..."

    Looks bad.

    Just as one thought Boris's luck had finally run out.
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