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FrancisUrquhart said:

Champions League Final doesn't look like much craic at the minute.

https://twitter.com/CelticExchange/status/1530619521706479616?s=20&t=W-TjlgqudF9N1UmvDWRUsA

There are fans jumping the fence to enter the stadium.

https://twitter.com/DoentesPFutebol/status/1530624599565774848?s=20&t=q7r0H9w8Jns4mFDJYmMvqQ

This is how the surroundings of the Stade de France are, with many problems and chaos among the fans

https://twitter.com/carrusel/status/1530625033277669377?s=20&t=GmRcLeQozOrPjhCpMqlw4A

The fuckwits never learn do they. I love my football but some fans are real dicks.

Foxy said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Champions League Final doesn't look like much craic at the minute.

https://twitter.com/CelticExchange/status/1530619521706479616?s=20&t=W-TjlgqudF9N1UmvDWRUsA

There are fans jumping the fence to enter the stadium.

https://twitter.com/DoentesPFutebol/status/1530624599565774848?s=20&t=q7r0H9w8Jns4mFDJYmMvqQ

This is how the surroundings of the Stade de France are, with many problems and chaos among the fans

https://twitter.com/carrusel/status/1530625033277669377?s=20&t=GmRcLeQozOrPjhCpMqlw4A

The fuckwits never learn do they. I love my football but some fans are real dicks.

The attempt by the Liverpool fans to break down the gates is particularly bad, you know given history and everything.

Liverpool had better win tonight as they might not get another chance for a while...

Another 15m delay. Pleased I’m in a bar in Dubai, and nowhere near the Stade de France.

Farooq said:

English fans shaming their country again

Fuck off. These are Scouse, not English fans.

Delayed until 8.30pm now.

Didn’t yougov and opinium have a for 8pm kick off, the opinium sneaked it early?

Flatlander said:

Liverpool had better win tonight as they might not get another chance for a while...

This could have serious repercussions for Liverpool in Europe

Amazed the poo-flinging, beauty-hating, hymn-booing Scousers have embarrassed themselves again. Amazed

Leon said:

Amazed the poo-flinging, beauty-hating, hymn-booing Scousers have embarrassed themselves again. Amazed

The police should just blast the National Anthem at them, psychological weapon will be highly effective at getting them to disperse.

Is this true? If so, what a petty, cowardly shite he is. Yes, he’d have got pelters but that’s part of the job.

Leon said:

Amazed the poo-flinging, beauty-hating, hymn-booing Scousers have embarrassed themselves again. Amazed

Sometimes you really should tone it down

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Flatlander said:

Liverpool had better win tonight as they might not get another chance for a while...

This could have serious repercussions for Liverpool in Europe

How did somebody Off-topic that?

Wtf is wrong with some people?

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Flatlander said:

Liverpool had better win tonight as they might not get another chance for a while...

This could have serious repercussions for Liverpool in Europe

I doubt it. The scattered reports coming through suggest that the fans stuck outside the stadium are behaving themselves. The delays to them getting in look more likely to be the product of organisational incompetence than a riot. Much talk of non-moving queues and bottlenecking.

Don't read anything into the use of violence by the French plods. They are notorious for it, and require no provocation.

Foxy said:

I reckon the 5.1 double on Smarkets for Lab win Wakefield, Con win Tiverton looks good value.

Agreed

Must be a serious chance they call off the whole game. Idiot Liverpool twits

pigeon said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Flatlander said:

Liverpool had better win tonight as they might not get another chance for a while...

This could have serious repercussions for Liverpool in Europe

I doubt it. The scattered reports coming through suggest that the fans stuck outside the stadium are behaving themselves. The delays to them getting in look more likely to be the product of organisational incompetence than a riot. Much talk of non-moving queues and bottlenecking.

Don't read anything into the use of violence by the French plods. They are notorious for it, and require no provocation.

It was the BT live commentary that referred to the tear gas use and the Liverpool supporters outside the ground

Actually BT commenter has just said he hopes everyone is safe and well outside

Public row breaks out between police chiefs over who gets National Crime Agency job
...
...
Neil Basu, the country’s most senior non-white officer, has demanded an explanation from the government about why he was overlooked for the role of director-general at the agency after he was one of the final two candidates.

Basu broke his silence to say he was “disappointed” to miss out on the £223,000-a-year job a week after The Sunday Times revealed Boris Johnson wanted to shoehorn in his supporter Lord Hogan-Howe, the former Scotland Yard chief who oversaw the disastrous VIP child sex abuse inquiry.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/public-row-breaks-out-between-police-chiefs-over-who-gets-national-crime-agency-job-scz3jvnn3 (£££)

Leon said:

Must be a serious chance they call off the whole game. Idiot Liverpool twits

So you've decided that it is all the fault of Liverpool fans. This is not what many reporters are saying from outside the ground.

Having lived in France I can quite believe it's a combination, including some shambolic excessive bureaucracy by the French.

p.s. I love France but wow they can screw things up

pigeon said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Flatlander said:

Liverpool had better win tonight as they might not get another chance for a while...

This could have serious repercussions for Liverpool in Europe

I doubt it. The scattered reports coming through suggest that the fans stuck outside the stadium are behaving themselves. The delays to them getting in look more likely to be the product of organisational incompetence than a riot. Much talk of non-moving queues and bottlenecking.

Don't read anything into the use of violence by the French plods. They are notorious for it, and require no provocation.

Behaving themselves?:


https://twitter.com/danielnavasv/status/1530624436000501761?s=21&t=wvJNgwvrXzgpm5DY4wwYBA

Heathener said:

wakeywakey49 said:

On that note, rumours going around that one of the papers has polls for both byelections, done by NCPolitics mostly after Sue Gray
Blue team are getting absolutely hammered in Wakefield (much much worse than YouGov's general election model says). Votes going all over the place. David H (formerly of this parish) apparently getting a few. Overall not even close
But Tiverton is close and sliding towards the LDems
Voters told the poll they’re livid about the photos, Tories getting theirs out to vote is going to be a big problem for them

You've only posted 4 times. Can I just check how bona fide this post is?

I ask because sometimes people spike & spook the markets, especially on the spreads.

Whatever you are looking at Wakey Wakefield, show it to us.

Big_G_NorthWales said:

pigeon said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Flatlander said:

Liverpool had better win tonight as they might not get another chance for a while...

This could have serious repercussions for Liverpool in Europe

I doubt it. The scattered reports coming through suggest that the fans stuck outside the stadium are behaving themselves. The delays to them getting in look more likely to be the product of organisational incompetence than a riot. Much talk of non-moving queues and bottlenecking.

Don't read anything into the use of violence by the French plods. They are notorious for it, and require no provocation.

It was the BT live commentary that referred to the tear gas use and the Liverpool supporters outside the ground

As I said before, the French riot coppers are notorious for quick resort to violent methods. The (quite possibly indiscriminate) shelling of the crowd with tear gas canisters doesn't necessarily imply that the supporters have done anything wrong.

The only thing worse than holding it in Paris, would have been holding it in St Petersberg.

FrancisUrquhart said:

There are groups of French people around the stadium attacking and robbing the fans.

https://twitter.com/MadridXtra/status/1530623041880858629?s=20&t=GmRcLeQozOrPjhCpMqlw4A

Actually, I can believe that, having spent just a few hours in St Denis

FrancisUrquhart said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

pigeon said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Flatlander said:

Liverpool had better win tonight as they might not get another chance for a while...

This could have serious repercussions for Liverpool in Europe

I doubt it. The scattered reports coming through suggest that the fans stuck outside the stadium are behaving themselves. The delays to them getting in look more likely to be the product of organisational incompetence than a riot. Much talk of non-moving queues and bottlenecking.

Don't read anything into the use of violence by the French plods. They are notorious for it, and require no provocation.

It was the BT live commentary that referred to the tear gas use and the Liverpool supporters outside the ground

Actually BT commenter has just said he hopes everyone is safe and well outside

I have seen the video on twitter, looks like the CRS. Not clear why they set it off, but I think British football fans get a shock (like in the Marseille) when you piss them off, they don't ask if you want hemp milk with your cup of tea if you protest.

I went to Marseille and we were frog marched to the away end. The Marseille team bus couldn’t get round a corner because of railings the police had put out. When the police finally got the railings moved, they got the obligatory sarcastic cheer from us. They didn’t like that.

It's a bit early to be sure, but if it was crap organisation how come it hasn't affected Real Madrid fans, who've been in their seats and ready to go for ages?

Looks to me like the English (not Liverpool) disease: a) trying to get in without a ticket - mad; b) too much coke/booze/both.

pigeon said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

pigeon said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Flatlander said:

Liverpool had better win tonight as they might not get another chance for a while...

This could have serious repercussions for Liverpool in Europe

I doubt it. The scattered reports coming through suggest that the fans stuck outside the stadium are behaving themselves. The delays to them getting in look more likely to be the product of organisational incompetence than a riot. Much talk of non-moving queues and bottlenecking.

Don't read anything into the use of violence by the French plods. They are notorious for it, and require no provocation.

It was the BT live commentary that referred to the tear gas use and the Liverpool supporters outside the ground

As I said before, the French riot coppers are notorious for quick resort to violent methods. The (quite possibly indiscriminate) shelling of the crowd with tear gas canisters doesn't necessarily imply that the supporters have done anything wrong.

Absolutely - having been caught up (absolutely innocently) in the “policing” actions of the CRS in France they are utter wankers who escalate everything they police.

Their motto should be “always use a sledgehammer to crack a nut”.

Theuniondivvie said:

Is this true? If so, what a petty, cowardly shite he is. Yes, he’d have got pelters but that’s part of the job.

Sectarianism.

Heathener said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Flatlander said:

Liverpool had better win tonight as they might not get another chance for a while...

This could have serious repercussions for Liverpool in Europe

How did somebody Off-topic that?

Wtf is wrong with some people?

People get more wound up on this site by the football tribalism than the politics 🤷‍♀️

pigeon said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

pigeon said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Flatlander said:

Liverpool had better win tonight as they might not get another chance for a while...

This could have serious repercussions for Liverpool in Europe

I doubt it. The scattered reports coming through suggest that the fans stuck outside the stadium are behaving themselves. The delays to them getting in look more likely to be the product of organisational incompetence than a riot. Much talk of non-moving queues and bottlenecking.

Don't read anything into the use of violence by the French plods. They are notorious for it, and require no provocation.

It was the BT live commentary that referred to the tear gas use and the Liverpool supporters outside the ground

As I said before, the French riot coppers are notorious for quick resort to violent methods. The (quite possibly indiscriminate) shelling of the crowd with tear gas canisters doesn't necessarily imply that the supporters have done anything wrong.

I am not suggesting they have but this is not good, and for commentators to hope supporters are safe and well sends a shudder down the spine if you know football history

FrancisUrquhart said:

The shots on twitter of the fans trying to get into the stadium (not illegally) looks very poor crowd control. Seem stretchers taking people away, people crushed together.

That is not what we want to hear

tlg86 said:

dixiedean said:

Apparently only one gate open.
This is a Hillsborough/Heysel tribute mashup.

Ground looks pretty full to me.

They showed some sections that looked 70% full at most.

FrancisUrquhart said:

There are groups of French people around the stadium attacking and robbing the fans.

https://twitter.com/MadridXtra/status/1530623041880858629?s=20&t=GmRcLeQozOrPjhCpMqlw4A

Just trying to make the Scousers feel at home...

Heathener said:

https://twitter.com/paulsaltysalt/status/1530628410665484290

Sorry if this doesn't fit @Leon's anti-Liverpool meme.

Probably several sides to this incl. some fans without tickets and lots of French bureaucracy & their notorious trigger-happy riot police (see below).

Why is the problem only with the hymn-booers, not Real fans?

That said, the echoes of Hillsborough AND Heysel are not good. Nasty. Grim. Ugh

IshmaelZ said:

Heathener said:

https://twitter.com/paulsaltysalt/status/1530628410665484290

Sorry if this doesn't fit @Leon's anti-Liverpool meme.

Probably several sides to this incl. some fans without tickets and lots of French bureaucracy & their wild riot police (see below).

Yes, bureaucracy definitely makes me crush people to death.

Actually it very much can. Crowd control is tricky and if you go excessive on checks you can easily generate a crush.

(Emphasis on excessive: there's a balance).

wakeywakey49 said:

Heathener said:

You've only posted 4 times. Can I just check how bona fide this post is?

I ask because sometimes people spike & spook the markets, especially on the spreads.

That's a fair point, this account is an alt because the polls are embargoed, so can't post under my normal handle. Not much more I can say except that if I was trying to spook markets I probably wouldn't do it during a UCL final

Hmmm ...

El_Capitano said:

David Canzini is a shit Lynton Crosby tribute act.



Seriously, who thinks this stuff up? "The centre is slipping away to Starmer, so let's have some new policies that appeal only to the 30% who are still voting for us, and make us look like past-it one-hit wonders to the other 70%"?

Tonight's Yougov on imperial measurements

https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1530593227736219649?t=q9-UWhijgBrc3QhYXk7ISQ&s=19

Some unpleasant racism here

https://twitter.com/bryanagraham/status/1530628511672713216?s=21&t=q86Gg7noIuqZ0ehSDwb3YA

Shameful all round

TSE is there isn't he?

A BBC reporter writes (at 8:15):

Disgraceful this from @championsleague been waiting an hour and a half to get in and no sign of being successful. Gates closed so no way of gaining entry. We’ve just been peppered sprayed yet no sign of crowd disorder where I am. Crowd building up outside. Joke

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/live/football/57740864

MoonRabbit said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

wakeywakey49 said:

On that note, rumours going around that one of the papers has polls for both byelections, done by NCPolitics mostly after Sue Gray
Blue team are getting absolutely hammered in Wakefield (much much worse than YouGov's general election model says). Votes going all over the place. David H (formerly of this parish) apparently getting a few. Overall not even close
But Tiverton is close and sliding towards the LDems
Voters told the poll they’re livid about the photos, Tories getting theirs out to vote is going to be a big problem for them

Tonight's Opinium have a poll on this

https://twitter.com/OpiniumResearch/status/1530614438147117056?t=sqBDe7_xpmRGTDb4CQG0NA&s=19

Labour behind on economy with Opinium.

Sunak really isn't doing a good job.

I'd be really interested if he ever told us quite why he's doing what he's doing, but he chooses not to.

wakeywakey49 said:

Heathener said:

You've only posted 4 times. Can I just check how bona fide this post is?

I ask because sometimes people spike & spook the markets, especially on the spreads.

That's a fair point, this account is an alt because the polls are embargoed, so can't post under my normal handle. Not much more I can say except that if I was trying to spook markets I probably wouldn't do it during a UCL final

The bit about Wakefield was pretty obvious when you look at the Council results.
And they were without a nonce to replace.

dixiedean said:

El_Capitano said:

David Canzini is a shit Lynton Crosby tribute act.



Seriously, who thinks this stuff up? "The centre is slipping away to Starmer, so let's have some new policies that appeal only to the 30% who are still voting for us, and make us look like past-it one-hit wonders to the other 70%"?

The famed Australian strategic election team don't appear to have noticed an Australian election last week.

ABC (Australian Broadcasting Corporation) analysis of media coverage:-

A Murdoch loss: Dissecting election media
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANeqEi0xcxw (video is 18 minutes long; ideal for pre-match viewing).

El_Capitano said:

David Canzini is a shit Lynton Crosby tribute act.



Seriously, who thinks this stuff up? "The centre is slipping away to Starmer, so let's have some new policies that appeal only to the 30% who are still voting for us, and make us look like past-it one-hit wonders to the other 70%"?

I'm pretty favourable to Imperial measurements. I talk about miles and yards, not kilometres and metres.
But all I really want in this regard is what I already have - road signs in miles, and now, the freedom for traders to sell in whatever crazed system of units they prefer. Which nowadays will mostly be metric. There is absolutely nothing more I want to do in relation to measurement.

IshmaelZ said:

Heathener said:

IshmaelZ said:

Heathener said:

https://twitter.com/paulsaltysalt/status/1530628410665484290

Sorry if this doesn't fit @Leon's anti-Liverpool meme.

Probably several sides to this incl. some fans without tickets and lots of French bureaucracy & their wild riot police (see below).

Yes, bureaucracy definitely makes me crush people to death.

Actually it very much can. Crowd control is tricky and if you go excessive on checks you can easily generate a crush.

(Emphasis on excessive: there's a balance).

Only if you are initially dealing with a bunch of complete and utter subhuman c---s.

Either that or we get the same problem with rugby, cricket, F1, festival and opera crowds and I just haven't noticed. One or the other.

There have been several disastrous death crushes at festivals, music as well as religious. There are nearly always administrative and poor organisational dimensions involved.

Stop being a prat. It's not about subhumans. We're talking huge numbers being packed into a small space in a short amount of time. The organisation on this occasion sounds rubbish. Which does not in the least surprise me with the French.

I remember going to a concert at Knebworth once and it was utter chaos afterwards, and dangerous. Nothing to do with the people present. It was an entirely benign crowd of Genesis fans.

Farooq said:

HYUFD said:

Just a 3% lead for Labour after the Gray report with Opinium is much better than expected. Boris and many Tory MPs will be relieved.

See my earlier post about Opinium probably slightly underestimating Labour's lead.

And mine - lowest Tory share yet and a Lab -1 Green+1

HYUFD said:

Just a 3% lead for Labour after the Gray report with Opinium is much better than expected. Boris and many Tory MPs will be relieved.

It's a far bigger lead as you know. Labour are (my guess) consistently 6% clear.

And 'just a whatever %' lead for Labour is a monumental catastophe compared with the 20% Tory lead.