back to the Sinking of the Russian Flagship Moskova.
It seems that the Russian Orthodox Church had placed one of there relocks on the ship, a fragment from the cross that Jesus was crucified on. That has presumably gone down with the Ship.
(Please can we not argue about weather it was really a fragment of the cross, HYDF will say one thing and everybody else the other and we will be here all night, so please lets not go down that road. However the significant thing here is the Russian Orthodox Church pronated that it was. and this shoes:
1) The ridiculously close relationship between the Russian Orthodox Church, and the Russian State and armed forces. Whatever ones opinion of the separation of church and state, Russia today is at an absolute extreme end of this spectrum.
2) The Russians really did not expect this ship to be sunk.
Just remember, however bad things get with Boris, it would be worse with Corbyn. Out of NATO, no NLAWs to Ukraine, no special forces in Ukraine, he would be embarrassing us on the world stage with calls for peace and dialogue with Russia. We really dodged a bullet in 2019, thanks largely to the politics of Brexit. Funny how these things go.
Don't vote for either of them at the next election
If you want to vote for a party who are proven competent and reliable on defence, there is only one option in my view.
Just remember, however bad things get with Boris, it would be worse with Corbyn. Out of NATO, no NLAWs to Ukraine, no special forces in Ukraine, he would be embarrassing us on the world stage with calls for peace and dialogue with Russia. We really dodged a bullet in 2019, thanks largely to the politics of Brexit. Funny how these things go.
That was worth reflecting on at the start, but has no additional impact. Its true and everyone has moved on.
Really? I reckon there are still plenty in Labour who would get us out of NATO even if it meant throwing Ukraine under Russian tank tracks...
Just remember, however bad things get with Boris, it would be worse with Corbyn. Out of NATO, no NLAWs to Ukraine, no special forces in Ukraine, he would be embarrassing us on the world stage with calls for peace and dialogue with Russia. We really dodged a bullet in 2019, thanks largely to the politics of Brexit. Funny how these things go.
That was worth reflecting on at the start, but has no additional impact. Its true and everyone has moved on.
Really? I reckon there are still plenty in Labour who would get us out of NATO even if it meant throwing Ukraine under Russian tank tracks...
None with serious influence I think. Mist even backed out of the StW events.
back to the Sinking of the Russian Flagship Moskova.
It seems that the Russian Orthodox Church had placed one of there relocks on the ship, a fragment from the cross that Jesus was crucified on. That has presumably gone down with the Ship.
(Please can we not argue about weather it was really a fragment of the cross, HYDF will say one thing and everybody else the other and we will be here all night, so please lets not go down that road. However the significant thing here is the Russian Orthodox Church pronated that it was. and this shoes:
1) The ridiculously close relationship between the Russian Orthodox Church, and the Russian State and armed forces. Whatever ones opinion of the separation of church and state, Russia today is at an absolute extreme end of this spectrum.
2) The Russians really did not expect this ship to be sunk.
No, No arguing about a piece of wood which may or may not have been somewhere in the first centaury.
We all know how it will tern out HYDF will say one thing somebody else will point out how perposturase it is, HYDF will double down then everybody will pile in, the chat will get boring, and then tomorrow some people will have overstated their crissum of HYDF and apologise and others will give him credit for sticking to his guns, now we don't want that do we.
If you need to argue there's always pineapple on Prize.
But betters still, can somebody agree we me that this shoes the Russians really did not expect to loss this ship?
The French marginally in favour of leaving NATO, not much bothered about the Russians, and mostly voting on whether they like Le Pen or want to stop her, rather than for Macron. The nearly even split among Melanchon supporters is shocking - I suspect that if Le Pen squeaked it there would be some harsh criticism of his reluctance to endorse Macron.
It'd be interesting to see comparable polling elsewhere - do Brits, Germans, Americans want to do more/less about Ukraine, or have we got it about right?
Just remember, however bad things get with Boris, it would be worse with Corbyn. Out of NATO, no NLAWs to Ukraine, no special forces in Ukraine, he would be embarrassing us on the world stage with calls for peace and dialogue with Russia. We really dodged a bullet in 2019, thanks largely to the politics of Brexit. Funny how these things go.
Under Jeremy Corbyn, Britain would have stayed in NATO, not cut the army like the Tories, blocked Russian money in politics and not stuffed the House of Lords with Russian spies.
back to the Sinking of the Russian Flagship Moskova.
It seems that the Russian Orthodox Church had placed one of there relocks on the ship, a fragment from the cross that Jesus was crucified on. That has presumably gone down with the Ship.
(Please can we not argue about weather it was really a fragment of the cross, HYDF will say one thing and everybody else the other and we will be here all night, so please lets not go down that road. However the significant thing here is the Russian Orthodox Church pronated that it was. and this shoes:
1) The ridiculously close relationship between the Russian Orthodox Church, and the Russian State and armed forces. Whatever ones opinion of the separation of church and state, Russia today is at an absolute extreme end of this spectrum.
2) The Russians really did not expect this ship to be sunk.
Just remember, however bad things get with Boris, it would be worse with Corbyn. Out of NATO, no NLAWs to Ukraine, no special forces in Ukraine, he would be embarrassing us on the world stage with calls for peace and dialogue with Russia. We really dodged a bullet in 2019, thanks largely to the politics of Brexit. Funny how these things go.
That was worth reflecting on at the start, but has no additional impact. Its true and everyone has moved on.
Really? I reckon there are still plenty in Labour who would get us out of NATO even if it meant throwing Ukraine under Russian tank tracks...
Yeah this is the reality that some of us can see and bear the wounds of. The people who are the face of the labour party, ie your local Councillors, are often the product of the Corbynite/momentum infiltration of the labour party. Until Starmer expels them all, the labour party remain toxic.
Can somebody explain why legitimate asylum seekers are being deported to Rwanda? Can somebody explain the benefit to us, or them, of this policy? I don't understand it
The theory is that if you arrive by a deprecated route (RIB across the channel), you will be sent to Rwanda. If you try and claim asylum by a non-deprecated route, you won't.
Think snakes and ladders - if you land on 98, you go to 3....
But if you are then proven to be a legitimate refugee, you end up being deported.
Which is like deporting me to Rwanda. Explain the logic of that?
Think Ducking Stool principle. If you drown you are innocent. If you survive you are guilty.
back to the Sinking of the Russian Flagship Moskova.
It seems that the Russian Orthodox Church had placed one of there relocks on the ship, a fragment from the cross that Jesus was crucified on. That has presumably gone down with the Ship.
(Please can we not argue about weather it was really a fragment of the cross, HYDF will say one thing and everybody else the other and we will be here all night, so please lets not go down that road. However the significant thing here is the Russian Orthodox Church pronated that it was. and this shoes:
1) The ridiculously close relationship between the Russian Orthodox Church, and the Russian State and armed forces. Whatever ones opinion of the separation of church and state, Russia today is at an absolute extreme end of this spectrum.
2) The Russians really did not expect this ship to be sunk.
back to the Sinking of the Russian Flagship Moskova.
It seems that the Russian Orthodox Church had placed one of there relocks on the ship, a fragment from the cross that Jesus was crucified on. That has presumably gone down with the Ship.
(Please can we not argue about weather it was really a fragment of the cross, HYDF will say one thing and everybody else the other and we will be here all night, so please lets not go down that road. However the significant thing here is the Russian Orthodox Church pronated that it was. and this shoes:
1) The ridiculously close relationship between the Russian Orthodox Church, and the Russian State and armed forces. Whatever ones opinion of the separation of church and state, Russia today is at an absolute extreme end of this spectrum.
2) The Russians really did not expect this ship to be sunk.
Just remember, however bad things get with Boris, it would be worse with Corbyn. Out of NATO, no NLAWs to Ukraine, no special forces in Ukraine, he would be embarrassing us on the world stage with calls for peace and dialogue with Russia. We really dodged a bullet in 2019, thanks largely to the politics of Brexit. Funny how these things go.
That was worth reflecting on at the start, but has no additional impact. Its true and everyone has moved on.
Really? I reckon there are still plenty in Labour who would get us out of NATO even if it meant throwing Ukraine under Russian tank tracks...
Yeah this is the reality that some of us can see and bear the wounds of. The people who are the face of the labour party, ie your local Councillors, are often the product of the Corbynite/momentum infiltration of the labour party. Until Starmer expels them all, the labour party remain toxic.
I partially agree with you, but don't you see the Conservatives have also been infiltrated by the far right?
Just a bit of fun but if @StuartDickson wants to play the sub-samples game, looking at the equivalent YouGov poll in mid April 2018.
Nationally Conservatives led Labour 43-38 so a 5% swing to Labour.
In London, it was 51-34 to Labour compared with 47-27 now so a small swing to Labour. LDs up from 6 to 10 and Greens now 8.
The 2018 London locals were 44-29-13- 8.6 (Con-Lab-LD- Green) so encouraging for both the LDs and Greens in the capital. The latter in particular are putting up over 800 candidates compared with 1302 for the LDs, 1755 for the Conservatives and it appears a full slate of 1817 Labour candidates.
I think the Greens are going to have a good May, both in Scotland and England.
Thank you for your slate of candidates statistics for London*. That alone is going to suppress the Green and Lib Dem overall result. Quite surprising that such significant parties cannot find a single soul to put their name on a ballot paper in so many wards.
(*do you have similar numbers for Wales, NI, Scotland and England outwith London?)
Just remember, however bad things get with Boris, it would be worse with Corbyn. Out of NATO, no NLAWs to Ukraine, no special forces in Ukraine, he would be embarrassing us on the world stage with calls for peace and dialogue with Russia. We really dodged a bullet in 2019, thanks largely to the politics of Brexit. Funny how these things go.
That was worth reflecting on at the start, but has no additional impact. Its true and everyone has moved on.
Really? I reckon there are still plenty in Labour who would get us out of NATO even if it meant throwing Ukraine under Russian tank tracks...
And there are plenty in the Conservatives who'd abolish all worker and environmental protections, privatise the NHS, and bring back hanging, the coal mines and smoking in pubs - *compulsory* smoking in pubs.
Barnet at 5/6 with Ladbrokes to turn labour is a bargain . Not only the national swing that is going to happen but the unwind of anti- Corbyn voters will be large in Barnet given its Jewish population
Re: Alaska June 11 very special congressional primary, have some questions/doubts/caveats re: the new poll numbers cited below.
However, am assuming it's not too far off base as it seems to confirm what I'm starting to sense: that out of 51 who filed, the FOUR most likely to make the primary cut, and advance to RCV election are"
> Republican Sarah Palin > Independent Al Gross (former Democratic US Senate candidate) > Republican Nick Begich III (member of Democratic political dynasty) > Republican Tara Sweeney (Alaska Native was head of Bureau of Indian Affairs under 45)
The last being most problematic, my theory is that she will get enough support from indigenous voters (possibly under-polled in recent survey) to make the Top 4.
But WAY too early to tell what the hell is gonna happen over coming weeks up in America's Last Frontier!
Just remember, however bad things get with Boris, it would be worse with Corbyn. Out of NATO, no NLAWs to Ukraine, no special forces in Ukraine, he would be embarrassing us on the world stage with calls for peace and dialogue with Russia. We really dodged a bullet in 2019, thanks largely to the politics of Brexit. Funny how these things go.
That was worth reflecting on at the start, but has no additional impact. Its true and everyone has moved on.
Really? I reckon there are still plenty in Labour who would get us out of NATO even if it meant throwing Ukraine under Russian tank tracks...
Yeah this is the reality that some of us can see and bear the wounds of. The people who are the face of the labour party, ie your local Councillors, are often the product of the Corbynite/momentum infiltration of the labour party. Until Starmer expels them all, the labour party remain toxic.
I partially agree with you, but don't you see the Conservatives have also been infiltrated by the far right?
They have their share of mad people and ideas, but the far right? I don't see it.
The French marginally in favour of leaving NATO, not much bothered about the Russians, and mostly voting on whether they like Le Pen or want to stop her, rather than for Macron. The nearly even split among Melanchon supporters is shocking - I suspect that if Le Pen squeaked it there would be some harsh criticism of his reluctance to endorse Macron.
It'd be interesting to see comparable polling elsewhere - do Brits, Germans, Americans want to do more/less about Ukraine, or have we got it about right?
At the risk of invoking the "a rogue poll is one you don't like the result of" - that is fairly out of line with the rest of the polls. Which have proved, in the first round, to be quite accurate.
Your shock at the split among Melanchon supporters - given that the extreme left and right have been agreed on many policies for a long time, why are you surprised?
Just remember, however bad things get with Boris, it would be worse with Corbyn. Out of NATO, no NLAWs to Ukraine, no special forces in Ukraine, he would be embarrassing us on the world stage with calls for peace and dialogue with Russia. We really dodged a bullet in 2019, thanks largely to the politics of Brexit. Funny how these things go.
Don't vote for either of them at the next election
If you want to vote for a party who are proven competent and reliable on defence, there is only one option in my view.
I'm not sure who you think that is
Me neither, but I'm keen to find out. Competent and reliable on anything sounds fabulous after these last few years.
how certain are Sinn Fein to be largest party in the assembly elections . Ladbrokes have them at 1/5 .I dont know enough to bet either way on this but interested if anyone has any views
back to the Sinking of the Russian Flagship Moskova.
It seems that the Russian Orthodox Church had placed one of there relocks on the ship, a fragment from the cross that Jesus was crucified on. That has presumably gone down with the Ship.
(Please can we not argue about weather it was really a fragment of the cross, HYDF will say one thing and everybody else the other and we will be here all night, so please lets not go down that road. However the significant thing here is the Russian Orthodox Church pronated that it was. and this shoes:
1) The ridiculously close relationship between the Russian Orthodox Church, and the Russian State and armed forces. Whatever ones opinion of the separation of church and state, Russia today is at an absolute extreme end of this spectrum.
2) The Russians really did not expect this ship to be sunk.
how certain are Sinn Fein to be largest party in the assembly elections . Ladbrokes have them at 1/5 .I dont know enough to bet either way on this but interested if anyone has any views
back to the Sinking of the Russian Flagship Moskova.
It seems that the Russian Orthodox Church had placed one of there relocks on the ship, a fragment from the cross that Jesus was crucified on. That has presumably gone down with the Ship.
(Please can we not argue about weather it was really a fragment of the cross, HYDF will say one thing and everybody else the other and we will be here all night, so please lets not go down that road. However the significant thing here is the Russian Orthodox Church pronated that it was. and this shoes:
1) The ridiculously close relationship between the Russian Orthodox Church, and the Russian State and armed forces. Whatever ones opinion of the separation of church and state, Russia today is at an absolute extreme end of this spectrum.
2) The Russians really did not expect this ship to be sunk.
Just remember, however bad things get with Boris, it would be worse with Corbyn. Out of NATO, no NLAWs to Ukraine, no special forces in Ukraine, he would be embarrassing us on the world stage with calls for peace and dialogue with Russia. We really dodged a bullet in 2019, thanks largely to the politics of Brexit. Funny how these things go.
Under Jeremy Corbyn, Britain would have stayed in NATO, not cut the army like the Tories, blocked Russian money in politics and not stuffed the House of Lords with Russian spies.
And much better on Ukrainian refugees. Indeed all refugees.
Just remember, however bad things get with Boris, it would be worse with Corbyn. Out of NATO, no NLAWs to Ukraine, no special forces in Ukraine, he would be embarrassing us on the world stage with calls for peace and dialogue with Russia. We really dodged a bullet in 2019, thanks largely to the politics of Brexit. Funny how these things go.
That was worth reflecting on at the start, but has no additional impact. Its true and everyone has moved on.
Really? I reckon there are still plenty in Labour who would get us out of NATO even if it meant throwing Ukraine under Russian tank tracks...
Yeah this is the reality that some of us can see and bear the wounds of. The people who are the face of the labour party, ie your local Councillors, are often the product of the Corbynite/momentum infiltration of the labour party. Until Starmer expels them all, the labour party remain toxic.
I partially agree with you, but don't you see the Conservatives have also been infiltrated by the far right?
They have their share of mad people and ideas, but the far right? I don't see it.
back to the Sinking of the Russian Flagship Moskova.
It seems that the Russian Orthodox Church had placed one of there relocks on the ship, a fragment from the cross that Jesus was crucified on. That has presumably gone down with the Ship.
(Please can we not argue about weather it was really a fragment of the cross, HYDF will say one thing and everybody else the other and we will be here all night, so please lets not go down that road. However the significant thing here is the Russian Orthodox Church pronated that it was. and this shoes:
1) The ridiculously close relationship between the Russian Orthodox Church, and the Russian State and armed forces. Whatever ones opinion of the separation of church and state, Russia today is at an absolute extreme end of this spectrum.
2) The Russians really did not expect this ship to be sunk.
The French marginally in favour of leaving NATO, not much bothered about the Russians, and mostly voting on whether they like Le Pen or want to stop her, rather than for Macron. The nearly even split among Melanchon supporters is shocking - I suspect that if Le Pen squeaked it there would be some harsh criticism of his reluctance to endorse Macron.
It'd be interesting to see comparable polling elsewhere - do Brits, Germans, Americans want to do more/less about Ukraine, or have we got it about right?
At the risk of invoking the "a rogue poll is one you don't like the result of" - that is fairly out of line with the rest of the polls. Which have proved, in the first round, to be quite accurate.
Your shock at the split among Melanchon supporters - given that the extreme left and right have been agreed on many policies for a long time, why are you surprised?
That's not how Mélenchon voters broke five years ago.
back to the Sinking of the Russian Flagship Moskova.
It seems that the Russian Orthodox Church had placed one of there relocks on the ship, a fragment from the cross that Jesus was crucified on. That has presumably gone down with the Ship.
(Please can we not argue about weather it was really a fragment of the cross, HYDF will say one thing and everybody else the other and we will be here all night, so please lets not go down that road. However the significant thing here is the Russian Orthodox Church pronated that it was. and this shoes:
1) The ridiculously close relationship between the Russian Orthodox Church, and the Russian State and armed forces. Whatever ones opinion of the separation of church and state, Russia today is at an absolute extreme end of this spectrum.
2) The Russians really did not expect this ship to be sunk.
back to the Sinking of the Russian Flagship Moskova.
It seems that the Russian Orthodox Church had placed one of there relocks on the ship, a fragment from the cross that Jesus was crucified on. That has presumably gone down with the Ship.
(Please can we not argue about weather it was really a fragment of the cross, HYDF will say one thing and everybody else the other and we will be here all night, so please lets not go down that road. However the significant thing here is the Russian Orthodox Church pronated that it was. and this shoes:
1) The ridiculously close relationship between the Russian Orthodox Church, and the Russian State and armed forces. Whatever ones opinion of the separation of church and state, Russia today is at an absolute extreme end of this spectrum.
2) The Russians really did not expect this ship to be sunk.
Depends - if she makes it let’s say 55/45, she would have improved 10pts+ from last time.
In last time, FPT, there is a risk the markets are overpricing Macron. The French tend to vote against a particular candidate, rather than for. In that regards, Macron’s high profile, let’s be confrontational strategy is a major risk. Many may decide he’s too much of a prick and vote for Le Pen
A fair dollop of wishful thinking here.
There is a mechanism to cast a Blank or Null vote in France and 3 million did that last time including 17% of those who voted for Melenchon. I suspect we'll see a fair bit of that and abstentions as well.
Last time, Macron led Le Pen by a million after round one and won in the end by 10 million. This time, he starts 1.7 million ahead and I think he'll end up 4-5 Million ahead. Le Pen will get most of the Zemmour supporters but the two important blocs are the 7.7 million Melenchon first round voters and the 7 million who didn't vote for any of the top four.
That may be right.
However, I think you might be underestimating the amount of dislike for Macron and the effect it may have on the result.
I find it hard to see why dislike for MLP would have increased from 2017. If anything, given her moves to be more “centrist”, it may be less.
However, for Macron, it’s easy to say that dislike of him is likely to have increased very significantly since 2017.
Macron has also been more (deliberately seemingly) antagonistic post-the first round. Le Pen less so - her one policy point I’ve seen of NATO and Russia in a “partnership” is also designed to attract, or at least neutralise, Melenchon voters.
Not saying I’m right by any stretch but I’m putting some money on Le Pen because her odds are more favourable than Macron ATM.
back to the Sinking of the Russian Flagship Moskova.
It seems that the Russian Orthodox Church had placed one of there relocks on the ship, a fragment from the cross that Jesus was crucified on. That has presumably gone down with the Ship.
(Please can we not argue about weather it was really a fragment of the cross, HYDF will say one thing and everybody else the other and we will be here all night, so please lets not go down that road. However the significant thing here is the Russian Orthodox Church pronated that it was. and this shoes:
1) The ridiculously close relationship between the Russian Orthodox Church, and the Russian State and armed forces. Whatever ones opinion of the separation of church and state, Russia today is at an absolute extreme end of this spectrum.
2) The Russians really did not expect this ship to be sunk.
back to the Sinking of the Russian Flagship Moskova.
It seems that the Russian Orthodox Church had placed one of there relocks on the ship, a fragment from the cross that Jesus was crucified on. That has presumably gone down with the Ship.
(Please can we not argue about weather it was really a fragment of the cross, HYDF will say one thing and everybody else the other and we will be here all night, so please lets not go down that road. However the significant thing here is the Russian Orthodox Church pronated that it was. and this shoes:
1) The ridiculously close relationship between the Russian Orthodox Church, and the Russian State and armed forces. Whatever ones opinion of the separation of church and state, Russia today is at an absolute extreme end of this spectrum.
2) The Russians really did not expect this ship to be sunk.
Depends - if she makes it let’s say 55/45, she would have improved 10pts+ from last time.
In last time, FPT, there is a risk the markets are overpricing Macron. The French tend to vote against a particular candidate, rather than for. In that regards, Macron’s high profile, let’s be confrontational strategy is a major risk. Many may decide he’s too much of a prick and vote for Le Pen
A fair dollop of wishful thinking here.
There is a mechanism to cast a Blank or Null vote in France and 3 million did that last time including 17% of those who voted for Melenchon. I suspect we'll see a fair bit of that and abstentions as well.
Last time, Macron led Le Pen by a million after round one and won in the end by 10 million. This time, he starts 1.7 million ahead and I think he'll end up 4-5 Million ahead. Le Pen will get most of the Zemmour supporters but the two important blocs are the 7.7 million Melenchon first round voters and the 7 million who didn't vote for any of the top four.
That may be right.
However, I think you might be underestimating the amount of dislike for Macron and the effect it may have on the result.
I find it hard to see why dislike for MLP would have increased from 2017. If anything, given her moves to be more “centrist”, it may be less.
However, for Macron, it’s easy to say that dislike of him is likely to have increased very significantly since 2017.
Macron has also been more (deliberately seemingly) antagonistic post-the first round. Le Pen less so - her one policy point I’ve seen of NATO and Russia in a “partnership” is also designed to attract, or at least neutralise, Melenchon voters.
Not saying I’m right by any stretch but I’m putting some money on Le Pen because her odds are more favourable than Macron ATM.
Barnet at 5/6 with Ladbrokes to turn labour is a bargain . Not only the national swing that is going to happen but the unwind of anti- Corbyn voters will be large in Barnet given its Jewish population
Don't fall for CCHQ expectation management. Barnet is not a former Labour stronghold turned blue by fear of Corbyn: it is a Tory borough that includes Mrs Thatcher's old constituency.
back to the Sinking of the Russian Flagship Moskova.
It seems that the Russian Orthodox Church had placed one of there relocks on the ship, a fragment from the cross that Jesus was crucified on. That has presumably gone down with the Ship.
(Please can we not argue about weather it was really a fragment of the cross, HYDF will say one thing and everybody else the other and we will be here all night, so please lets not go down that road. However the significant thing here is the Russian Orthodox Church pronated that it was. and this shoes:
1) The ridiculously close relationship between the Russian Orthodox Church, and the Russian State and armed forces. Whatever ones opinion of the separation of church and state, Russia today is at an absolute extreme end of this spectrum.
2) The Russians really did not expect this ship to be sunk.
Just remember, however bad things get with Boris, it would be worse with Corbyn. Out of NATO, no NLAWs to Ukraine, no special forces in Ukraine, he would be embarrassing us on the world stage with calls for peace and dialogue with Russia. We really dodged a bullet in 2019, thanks largely to the politics of Brexit. Funny how these things go.
That was worth reflecting on at the start, but has no additional impact. Its true and everyone has moved on.
Quick foray into the realm of psychiatry - I sense much of the "but oh god Corbyn would have been worse" sentiment being still advanced at this time when he's long been chip paper is reflexive guilt management from people who voted Con and enabled this disgrace of a PM and don't feel too great about it deep down, now they see clearly who and what he is.
We could call it Having Voted For Boris Derangement Syndrome (HVFBDS) - but we won't because that sort of thing is puerile, demeaning and tedious.
back to the Sinking of the Russian Flagship Moskova.
It seems that the Russian Orthodox Church had placed one of there relocks on the ship, a fragment from the cross that Jesus was crucified on. That has presumably gone down with the Ship.
(Please can we not argue about weather it was really a fragment of the cross, HYDF will say one thing and everybody else the other and we will be here all night, so please lets not go down that road. However the significant thing here is the Russian Orthodox Church pronated that it was. and this shoes:
1) The ridiculously close relationship between the Russian Orthodox Church, and the Russian State and armed forces. Whatever ones opinion of the separation of church and state, Russia today is at an absolute extreme end of this spectrum.
2) The Russians really did not expect this ship to be sunk.
back to the Sinking of the Russian Flagship Moskova.
It seems that the Russian Orthodox Church had placed one of there relocks on the ship, a fragment from the cross that Jesus was crucified on. That has presumably gone down with the Ship.
(Please can we not argue about weather it was really a fragment of the cross, HYDF will say one thing and everybody else the other and we will be here all night, so please lets not go down that road. However the significant thing here is the Russian Orthodox Church pronated that it was. and this shoes:
1) The ridiculously close relationship between the Russian Orthodox Church, and the Russian State and armed forces. Whatever ones opinion of the separation of church and state, Russia today is at an absolute extreme end of this spectrum.
2) The Russians really did not expect this ship to be sunk.
Just remember, however bad things get with Boris, it would be worse with Corbyn. Out of NATO, no NLAWs to Ukraine, no special forces in Ukraine, he would be embarrassing us on the world stage with calls for peace and dialogue with Russia. We really dodged a bullet in 2019, thanks largely to the politics of Brexit. Funny how these things go.
That was worth reflecting on at the start, but has no additional impact. Its true and everyone has moved on.
Quick foray into the realm of psychiatry - I sense much of the "but oh god Corbyn would have been worse" sentiment being still advanced at this time when he's long been chip paper is reflexive guilt management from people who voted Con and enabled this disgrace of a PM and don't feel too great about it deep down, now they see clearly who and what he is.
We could call it Having Voted For Boris Derangement Syndrome (HVFBDS) - but we won't because that sort of thing is puerile, demeaning and tedious.
There could also be a 'not brave enough to vote for Boris so spoiled my ballot/voted for labour to avoid upsetting my wife' in 2019 syndrome (NBETVBSSMBVFLTAUMW), which could end up with deep feelings of shame and guilt (following contemplation of what Corbyn may have meant in terms of the conflict in Ukraine), which lead people to vote for Boris/ their local conservative council candidate. Not saying that this will be a statistically significant phenomenon, but it is one that still might exist.
Just remember, however bad things get with Boris, it would be worse with Corbyn. Out of NATO, no NLAWs to Ukraine, no special forces in Ukraine, he would be embarrassing us on the world stage with calls for peace and dialogue with Russia. We really dodged a bullet in 2019, thanks largely to the politics of Brexit. Funny how these things go.
That was worth reflecting on at the start, but has no additional impact. Its true and everyone has moved on.
Quick foray into the realm of psychiatry - I sense much of the "but oh god Corbyn would have been worse" sentiment being still advanced at this time when he's long been chip paper is reflexive guilt management from people who voted Con and enabled this disgrace of a PM and don't feel too great about it deep down, now they see clearly who and what he is.
We could call it Having Voted For Boris Derangement Syndrome (HVFBDS) - but we won't because that sort of thing is puerile, demeaning and tedious.
Just remember, however bad things get with Boris, it would be worse with Corbyn. Out of NATO, no NLAWs to Ukraine, no special forces in Ukraine, he would be embarrassing us on the world stage with calls for peace and dialogue with Russia. We really dodged a bullet in 2019, thanks largely to the politics of Brexit. Funny how these things go.
That was worth reflecting on at the start, but has no additional impact. Its true and everyone has moved on.
Quick foray into the realm of psychiatry - I sense much of the "but oh god Corbyn would have been worse" sentiment being still advanced at this time when he's long been chip paper is reflexive guilt management from people who voted Con and enabled this disgrace of a PM and don't feel too great about it deep down, now they see clearly who and what he is.
We could call it Having Voted For Boris Derangement Syndrome (HVFBDS) - but we won't because that sort of thing is puerile, demeaning and tedious.
There could also be a 'not brave enough to vote for Boris so spoiled my ballot/voted for labour to avoid upsetting my wife' in 2019 syndrome (NBETVBSSMBVFLTAUMW), which could end up with deep feelings of shame and guilt (following contemplation of what Corbyn may have meant in terms of the conflict in Ukraine), which lead people to vote for Boris/ their local conservative council candidate. Not saying that this will be a statistically significant phenomenon, but it is one that still might exist.
presumably they will have to have got divorced in the meantime as well? I bought Farage's biography a few months ago which seemed to upset my wife . I thought sod it and escalated with highlighting former more hidden copies of The Revolt of the Right (Farage with a pint on the front cover) and A journey by Tony Blair on the bookshelf.
back to the Sinking of the Russian Flagship Moskova.
It seems that the Russian Orthodox Church had placed one of there relocks on the ship, a fragment from the cross that Jesus was crucified on. That has presumably gone down with the Ship.
(Please can we not argue about weather it was really a fragment of the cross, HYDF will say one thing and everybody else the other and we will be here all night, so please lets not go down that road. However the significant thing here is the Russian Orthodox Church pronated that it was. and this shoes:
1) The ridiculously close relationship between the Russian Orthodox Church, and the Russian State and armed forces. Whatever ones opinion of the separation of church and state, Russia today is at an absolute extreme end of this spectrum.
2) The Russians really did not expect this ship to be sunk.
No, No arguing about a piece of wood which may or may not have been somewhere in the first centaury.
We all know how it will tern out HYDF will say one thing somebody else will point out how perposturase it is, HYDF will double down then everybody will pile in, the chat will get boring, and then tomorrow some people will have overstated their crissum of HYDF and apologise and others will give him credit for sticking to his guns, now we don't want that do we.
If you need to argue there's always pineapple on Prize.
But betters still, can somebody agree we me that this shoes the Russians really did not expect to loss this ship?
I agree. The Russians really did not expect to lose the flagship of their Black Sea Fleet. Indeed, I can't see that they expected any naval losses.
back to the Sinking of the Russian Flagship Moskova.
It seems that the Russian Orthodox Church had placed one of there relocks on the ship, a fragment from the cross that Jesus was crucified on. That has presumably gone down with the Ship.
(Please can we not argue about weather it was really a fragment of the cross, HYDF will say one thing and everybody else the other and we will be here all night, so please lets not go down that road. However the significant thing here is the Russian Orthodox Church pronated that it was. and this shoes:
1) The ridiculously close relationship between the Russian Orthodox Church, and the Russian State and armed forces. Whatever ones opinion of the separation of church and state, Russia today is at an absolute extreme end of this spectrum.
2) The Russians really did not expect this ship to be sunk.
No, No arguing about a piece of wood which may or may not have been somewhere in the first centaury.
We all know how it will tern out HYDF will say one thing somebody else will point out how perposturase it is, HYDF will double down then everybody will pile in, the chat will get boring, and then tomorrow some people will have overstated their crissum of HYDF and apologise and others will give him credit for sticking to his guns, now we don't want that do we.
If you need to argue there's always pineapple on Prize.
But betters still, can somebody agree we me that this shoes the Russians really did not expect to loss this ship?
I agree. The Russians really did not expect to lose the flagship of their Black Sea Fleet. Indeed, I can't see that they expected any naval losses.
And there was enough of that wood knocking about by the Middle Ages that could have constructed something much more substantial than a cross.
Just remember, however bad things get with Boris, it would be worse with Corbyn. Out of NATO, no NLAWs to Ukraine, no special forces in Ukraine, he would be embarrassing us on the world stage with calls for peace and dialogue with Russia. We really dodged a bullet in 2019, thanks largely to the politics of Brexit. Funny how these things go.
That was worth reflecting on at the start, but has no additional impact. Its true and everyone has moved on.
Quick foray into the realm of psychiatry - I sense much of the "but oh god Corbyn would have been worse" sentiment being still advanced at this time when he's long been chip paper is reflexive guilt management from people who voted Con and enabled this disgrace of a PM and don't feel too great about it deep down, now they see clearly who and what he is.
We could call it Having Voted For Boris Derangement Syndrome (HVFBDS) - but we won't because that sort of thing is puerile, demeaning and tedious.
There could also be a 'not brave enough to vote for Boris so spoiled my ballot/voted for labour to avoid upsetting my wife' in 2019 syndrome (NBETVBSSMBVFLTAUMW), which could end up with deep feelings of shame and guilt (following contemplation of what Corbyn may have meant in terms of the conflict in Ukraine), which lead people to vote for Boris/ their local conservative council candidate. Not saying that this will be a statistically significant phenomenon, but it is one that still might exist.
Do you think female voters have a problem with Boris then?
back to the Sinking of the Russian Flagship Moskova.
It seems that the Russian Orthodox Church had placed one of there relocks on the ship, a fragment from the cross that Jesus was crucified on. That has presumably gone down with the Ship.
(Please can we not argue about weather it was really a fragment of the cross, HYDF will say one thing and everybody else the other and we will be here all night, so please lets not go down that road. However the significant thing here is the Russian Orthodox Church pronated that it was. and this shoes:
1) The ridiculously close relationship between the Russian Orthodox Church, and the Russian State and armed forces. Whatever ones opinion of the separation of church and state, Russia today is at an absolute extreme end of this spectrum.
2) The Russians really did not expect this ship to be sunk.
No, No arguing about a piece of wood which may or may not have been somewhere in the first centaury.
We all know how it will tern out HYDF will say one thing somebody else will point out how perposturase it is, HYDF will double down then everybody will pile in, the chat will get boring, and then tomorrow some people will have overstated their crissum of HYDF and apologise and others will give him credit for sticking to his guns, now we don't want that do we.
If you need to argue there's always pineapple on Prize.
But betters still, can somebody agree we me that this shoes the Russians really did not expect to loss this ship?
back to the Sinking of the Russian Flagship Moskova.
It seems that the Russian Orthodox Church had placed one of there relocks on the ship, a fragment from the cross that Jesus was crucified on. That has presumably gone down with the Ship.
(Please can we not argue about weather it was really a fragment of the cross, HYDF will say one thing and everybody else the other and we will be here all night, so please lets not go down that road. However the significant thing here is the Russian Orthodox Church pronated that it was. and this shoes:
1) The ridiculously close relationship between the Russian Orthodox Church, and the Russian State and armed forces. Whatever ones opinion of the separation of church and state, Russia today is at an absolute extreme end of this spectrum.
2) The Russians really did not expect this ship to be sunk.
No, No arguing about a piece of wood which may or may not have been somewhere in the first centaury.
We all know how it will tern out HYDF will say one thing somebody else will point out how perposturase it is, HYDF will double down then everybody will pile in, the chat will get boring, and then tomorrow some people will have overstated their crissum of HYDF and apologise and others will give him credit for sticking to his guns, now we don't want that do we.
If you need to argue there's always pineapple on Prize.
But betters still, can somebody agree we me that this shoes the Russians really did not expect to loss this ship?
I agree. The Russians really did not expect to lose the flagship of their Black Sea Fleet. Indeed, I can't see that they expected any naval losses.
And there was enough of that wood knocking about by the Middle Ages that could have constructed something much more substantial than a cross.
Could probably build a replacement boat for the Russian Navy
Barnet at 5/6 with Ladbrokes to turn labour is a bargain . Not only the national swing that is going to happen but the unwind of anti- Corbyn voters will be large in Barnet given its Jewish population
Don't fall for CCHQ expectation management. Barnet is not a former Labour stronghold turned blue by fear of Corbyn: it is a Tory borough that includes Mrs Thatcher's old constituency.
Yeah, a Labour majority has never happened before although the Tory majority was only 1 in 2014 and has been NOC 1994-2002. This site is only predicting a Labour majority of 1 in Barnet despite pro Labour boundary changes: https://www.pollcat-stats.com/london2022/barnet/
Saturday decision - Love red wine (who does not?) and its about time for a glass of course but got a mild touch of gout a few days ago which kept secret from (near split up ) wife (pretended its a sprain as it means no nagging on drinking)) . Do I go for it and have a glass and then tomorrow admit that i have had a gout attack (as an excuse to not bascially do anything) as I wil get nagged for drinking or hold out !
Saturday decision - Love red wine (who does not?) and its about time for a glass of course but got a mild touch of gout a few days ago which kept secret from (near split up ) wife (pretended its a sprain as it means no nagging on drinking)) . Do I go for it and have a glass and then tomorrow admit that i have had a gout attack (as an excuse to not bascially do anything) as I wil get nagged for drinking or hold out !
Saturday decision - Love red wine (who does not?) and its about time for a glass of course but got a mild touch of gout a few days ago which kept secret from (near split up ) wife (pretended its a sprain as it means no nagging on drinking)) . Do I go for it and have a glass and then tomorrow admit that i have had a gout attack (as an excuse to not bascially do anything) as I wil get nagged for drinking or hold out !
Saturday decision - Love red wine (who does not?) and its about time for a glass of course but got a mild touch of gout a few days ago which kept secret from (near split up ) wife (pretended its a sprain as it means no nagging on drinking)) . Do I go for it and have a glass and then tomorrow admit that i have had a gout attack (as an excuse to not bascially do anything) as I wil get nagged for drinking or hold out !
Saturday decision - Love red wine (who does not?) and its about time for a glass of course but got a mild touch of gout a few days ago which kept secret from (near split up ) wife (pretended its a sprain as it means no nagging on drinking)) . Do I go for it and have a glass and then tomorrow admit that i have had a gout attack (as an excuse to not bascially do anything) as I wil get nagged for drinking or hold out !
Depressing report about the language sector being devastated by Brexit red tape .
All because no 10 refuses to make it easier for school children from the EU to come to the UK.
Means less furrin being audibly spoken in Home Counties towns and a few further north/west. Result, from a certain point of view.
Wouldn't most foreign school trips have come to London or other centres of heritage and tourism?
My understanding* is they are common in Home Counties towns - near the Continent but cheaper than London. A quick check suggests a number in Margate, Tunbridge Wells, and Brighton - three towns taken at random.
But yes, add places such as Oxford, Cambridge, Edinburgh too.
*Edit: distinct impression. But IANAE and we do have at least one EFL teacher regular on PB.
The French government's official position on Ukraine seems to be based on clinging to their role as a mediator in the Normandy format negotiations. They blamed the ongoing crisis on "the parties’ lack of political will to deliver on their commitments" under the Minsk agreements.
back to the Sinking of the Russian Flagship Moskova.
It seems that the Russian Orthodox Church had placed one of there relocks on the ship, a fragment from the cross that Jesus was crucified on. That has presumably gone down with the Ship.
(Please can we not argue about weather it was really a fragment of the cross, HYDF will say one thing and everybody else the other and we will be here all night, so please lets not go down that road. However the significant thing here is the Russian Orthodox Church pronated that it was. and this shoes:
1) The ridiculously close relationship between the Russian Orthodox Church, and the Russian State and armed forces. Whatever ones opinion of the separation of church and state, Russia today is at an absolute extreme end of this spectrum.
2) The Russians really did not expect this ship to be sunk.
No, No arguing about a piece of wood which may or may not have been somewhere in the first centaury.
We all know how it will tern out HYDF will say one thing somebody else will point out how perposturase it is, HYDF will double down then everybody will pile in, the chat will get boring, and then tomorrow some people will have overstated their crissum of HYDF and apologise and others will give him credit for sticking to his guns, now we don't want that do we.
If you need to argue there's always pineapple on Prize.
But betters still, can somebody agree we me that this shoes the Russians really did not expect to loss this ship?
I agree. The Russians really did not expect to lose the flagship of their Black Sea Fleet. Indeed, I can't see that they expected any naval losses.
And there was enough of that wood knocking about by the Middle Ages that could have constructed something much more substantial than a cross.
getting dangerously close now to full blown escalation of an argument about a piece of wood
back to the Sinking of the Russian Flagship Moskova.
It seems that the Russian Orthodox Church had placed one of there relocks on the ship, a fragment from the cross that Jesus was crucified on. That has presumably gone down with the Ship.
(Please can we not argue about weather it was really a fragment of the cross, HYDF will say one thing and everybody else the other and we will be here all night, so please lets not go down that road. However the significant thing here is the Russian Orthodox Church pronated that it was. and this shoes:
1) The ridiculously close relationship between the Russian Orthodox Church, and the Russian State and armed forces. Whatever ones opinion of the separation of church and state, Russia today is at an absolute extreme end of this spectrum.
2) The Russians really did not expect this ship to be sunk.
No, No arguing about a piece of wood which may or may not have been somewhere in the first centaury.
We all know how it will tern out HYDF will say one thing somebody else will point out how perposturase it is, HYDF will double down then everybody will pile in, the chat will get boring, and then tomorrow some people will have overstated their crissum of HYDF and apologise and others will give him credit for sticking to his guns, now we don't want that do we.
If you need to argue there's always pineapple on Prize.
But betters still, can somebody agree we me that this shoes the Russians really did not expect to loss this ship?
I agree. The Russians really did not expect to lose the flagship of their Black Sea Fleet. Indeed, I can't see that they expected any naval losses.
And there was enough of that wood knocking about by the Middle Ages that could have constructed something much more substantial than a cross.
getting dangerously close now to full blown escalation of an argument about a piece of wood
Is there any serious work being done in Europe at the moment to prepare for an embargo of Russian oil and gas? How would we get through the winter? These things need to be considered now. I fear not enough is being done.
Could the Ukrainians be victims of their own success? Now it's assumed Russia isn't going to 'win' the war I worry people are getting complacent again. We shouldn't be tolerant of a prolonged conflict even if it's largely restricted to the east with missiles being fired into the cities on a regular basis. It was smart of Zelensky to use the Israel comparison. Having to deal with a permanent enemy who denies your right to exist.
back to the Sinking of the Russian Flagship Moskova.
It seems that the Russian Orthodox Church had placed one of there relocks on the ship, a fragment from the cross that Jesus was crucified on. That has presumably gone down with the Ship.
(Please can we not argue about weather it was really a fragment of the cross, HYDF will say one thing and everybody else the other and we will be here all night, so please lets not go down that road. However the significant thing here is the Russian Orthodox Church pronated that it was. and this shoes:
1) The ridiculously close relationship between the Russian Orthodox Church, and the Russian State and armed forces. Whatever ones opinion of the separation of church and state, Russia today is at an absolute extreme end of this spectrum.
2) The Russians really did not expect this ship to be sunk.
No, No arguing about a piece of wood which may or may not have been somewhere in the first centaury.
We all know how it will tern out HYDF will say one thing somebody else will point out how perposturase it is, HYDF will double down then everybody will pile in, the chat will get boring, and then tomorrow some people will have overstated their crissum of HYDF and apologise and others will give him credit for sticking to his guns, now we don't want that do we.
If you need to argue there's always pineapple on Prize.
But betters still, can somebody agree we me that this shoes the Russians really did not expect to loss this ship?
I agree. The Russians really did not expect to lose the flagship of their Black Sea Fleet. Indeed, I can't see that they expected any naval losses.
And there was enough of that wood knocking about by the Middle Ages that could have constructed something much more substantial than a cross.
getting dangerously close now to full blown escalation of an argument about a piece of wood
back to the Sinking of the Russian Flagship Moskova.
It seems that the Russian Orthodox Church had placed one of there relocks on the ship, a fragment from the cross that Jesus was crucified on. That has presumably gone down with the Ship.
(Please can we not argue about weather it was really a fragment of the cross, HYDF will say one thing and everybody else the other and we will be here all night, so please lets not go down that road. However the significant thing here is the Russian Orthodox Church pronated that it was. and this shoes:
1) The ridiculously close relationship between the Russian Orthodox Church, and the Russian State and armed forces. Whatever ones opinion of the separation of church and state, Russia today is at an absolute extreme end of this spectrum.
2) The Russians really did not expect this ship to be sunk.
No, No arguing about a piece of wood which may or may not have been somewhere in the first centaury.
We all know how it will tern out HYDF will say one thing somebody else will point out how perposturase it is, HYDF will double down then everybody will pile in, the chat will get boring, and then tomorrow some people will have overstated their crissum of HYDF and apologise and others will give him credit for sticking to his guns, now we don't want that do we.
If you need to argue there's always pineapple on Prize.
But betters still, can somebody agree we me that this shoes the Russians really did not expect to loss this ship?
I agree. The Russians really did not expect to lose the flagship of their Black Sea Fleet. Indeed, I can't see that they expected any naval losses.
And there was enough of that wood knocking about by the Middle Ages that could have constructed something much more substantial than a cross.
getting dangerously close now to full blown escalation of an argument about a piece of wood
back to the Sinking of the Russian Flagship Moskova.
It seems that the Russian Orthodox Church had placed one of there relocks on the ship, a fragment from the cross that Jesus was crucified on. That has presumably gone down with the Ship.
(Please can we not argue about weather it was really a fragment of the cross, HYDF will say one thing and everybody else the other and we will be here all night, so please lets not go down that road. However the significant thing here is the Russian Orthodox Church pronated that it was. and this shoes:
1) The ridiculously close relationship between the Russian Orthodox Church, and the Russian State and armed forces. Whatever ones opinion of the separation of church and state, Russia today is at an absolute extreme end of this spectrum.
2) The Russians really did not expect this ship to be sunk.
No, No arguing about a piece of wood which may or may not have been somewhere in the first centaury.
We all know how it will tern out HYDF will say one thing somebody else will point out how perposturase it is, HYDF will double down then everybody will pile in, the chat will get boring, and then tomorrow some people will have overstated their crissum of HYDF and apologise and others will give him credit for sticking to his guns, now we don't want that do we.
If you need to argue there's always pineapple on Prize.
But betters still, can somebody agree we me that this shoes the Russians really did not expect to loss this ship?
I agree. The Russians really did not expect to lose the flagship of their Black Sea Fleet. Indeed, I can't see that they expected any naval losses.
And there was enough of that wood knocking about by the Middle Ages that could have constructed something much more substantial than a cross.
getting dangerously close now to full blown escalation of an argument about a piece of wood
back to the Sinking of the Russian Flagship Moskova.
It seems that the Russian Orthodox Church had placed one of there relocks on the ship, a fragment from the cross that Jesus was crucified on. That has presumably gone down with the Ship.
(Please can we not argue about weather it was really a fragment of the cross, HYDF will say one thing and everybody else the other and we will be here all night, so please lets not go down that road. However the significant thing here is the Russian Orthodox Church pronated that it was. and this shoes:
1) The ridiculously close relationship between the Russian Orthodox Church, and the Russian State and armed forces. Whatever ones opinion of the separation of church and state, Russia today is at an absolute extreme end of this spectrum.
2) The Russians really did not expect this ship to be sunk.
No, No arguing about a piece of wood which may or may not have been somewhere in the first centaury.
We all know how it will tern out HYDF will say one thing somebody else will point out how perposturase it is, HYDF will double down then everybody will pile in, the chat will get boring, and then tomorrow some people will have overstated their crissum of HYDF and apologise and others will give him credit for sticking to his guns, now we don't want that do we.
If you need to argue there's always pineapple on Prize.
But betters still, can somebody agree we me that this shoes the Russians really did not expect to loss this ship?
I agree. The Russians really did not expect to lose the flagship of their Black Sea Fleet. Indeed, I can't see that they expected any naval losses.
And there was enough of that wood knocking about by the Middle Ages that could have constructed something much more substantial than a cross.
getting dangerously close now to full blown escalation of an argument about a piece of wood
Ark at you!
The crux of the matter.
If I'd Noahed you felt this way.
These puns are terrible. For Shem, gentlemen.
Someone put you up to criticise. I smell an Ararat.
Before Brexit groups of school children could come on a joint permit and didn’t need a passport . The government refused to continue with this . Would any leaver have a problem with the old scheme continuing ? Did Leavers vote for this .
I very much doubt it . No 10 seems obsessed with putting up hurdles to any sort of cultural exchanges.
Interesting. HYUFD thinks that 500 losses will spell curtains for Boris. I disagree: Boris will put it about that councillors are a bureaucratic obsolescence anyway and it's about time these people got proper jobs. There is literally nothing that Boris can say or do that won't be met with Tory approval.
Depressing report about the language sector being devastated by Brexit red tape .
All because no 10 refuses to make it easier for school children from the EU to come to the UK.
Means less furrin being audibly spoken in Home Counties towns and a few further north/west. Result, from a certain point of view.
Wouldn't most foreign school trips have come to London or other centres of heritage and tourism?
My understanding* is they are common in Home Counties towns - near the Continent but cheaper than London. A quick check suggests a number in Margate, Tunbridge Wells, and Brighton - three towns taken at random.
But yes, add places such as Oxford, Cambridge, Edinburgh too.
*Edit: distinct impression. But IANAE and we do have at least one EFL teacher regular on PB.
OK. I'm no expert, though I did once see seven separate German school parties while walking along London's South Bank with a colleague from that country. One thing we see in London suburbs is school parties staying at the cheaper chain hotels and getting the tube into Central London (see recent threads for a discussion of where that might be).
back to the Sinking of the Russian Flagship Moskova.
It seems that the Russian Orthodox Church had placed one of there relocks on the ship, a fragment from the cross that Jesus was crucified on. That has presumably gone down with the Ship.
(Please can we not argue about weather it was really a fragment of the cross, HYDF will say one thing and everybody else the other and we will be here all night, so please lets not go down that road. However the significant thing here is the Russian Orthodox Church pronated that it was. and this shoes:
1) The ridiculously close relationship between the Russian Orthodox Church, and the Russian State and armed forces. Whatever ones opinion of the separation of church and state, Russia today is at an absolute extreme end of this spectrum.
2) The Russians really did not expect this ship to be sunk.
No, No arguing about a piece of wood which may or may not have been somewhere in the first centaury.
We all know how it will tern out HYDF will say one thing somebody else will point out how perposturase it is, HYDF will double down then everybody will pile in, the chat will get boring, and then tomorrow some people will have overstated their crissum of HYDF and apologise and others will give him credit for sticking to his guns, now we don't want that do we.
If you need to argue there's always pineapple on Prize.
But betters still, can somebody agree we me that this shoes the Russians really did not expect to loss this ship?
I agree. The Russians really did not expect to lose the flagship of their Black Sea Fleet. Indeed, I can't see that they expected any naval losses.
And there was enough of that wood knocking about by the Middle Ages that could have constructed something much more substantial than a cross.
getting dangerously close now to full blown escalation of an argument about a piece of wood
The French government's official position on Ukraine seems to be based on clinging to their role as a mediator in the Normandy format negotiations. They blamed the ongoing crisis on "the parties’ lack of political will to deliver on their commitments" under the Minsk agreements.
back to the Sinking of the Russian Flagship Moskova.
It seems that the Russian Orthodox Church had placed one of there relocks on the ship, a fragment from the cross that Jesus was crucified on. That has presumably gone down with the Ship.
(Please can we not argue about weather it was really a fragment of the cross, HYDF will say one thing and everybody else the other and we will be here all night, so please lets not go down that road. However the significant thing here is the Russian Orthodox Church pronated that it was. and this shoes:
1) The ridiculously close relationship between the Russian Orthodox Church, and the Russian State and armed forces. Whatever ones opinion of the separation of church and state, Russia today is at an absolute extreme end of this spectrum.
2) The Russians really did not expect this ship to be sunk.
No, No arguing about a piece of wood which may or may not have been somewhere in the first centaury.
We all know how it will tern out HYDF will say one thing somebody else will point out how perposturase it is, HYDF will double down then everybody will pile in, the chat will get boring, and then tomorrow some people will have overstated their crissum of HYDF and apologise and others will give him credit for sticking to his guns, now we don't want that do we.
If you need to argue there's always pineapple on Prize.
But betters still, can somebody agree we me that this shoes the Russians really did not expect to loss this ship?
I agree. The Russians really did not expect to lose the flagship of their Black Sea Fleet. Indeed, I can't see that they expected any naval losses.
And there was enough of that wood knocking about by the Middle Ages that could have constructed something much more substantial than a cross.
getting dangerously close now to full blown escalation of an argument about a piece of wood
Ark at you!
The crux of the matter.
If I'd Noahed you felt this way.
These puns are terrible. For Shem, gentlemen.
Someone put you up to criticise. I smell an Ararat.
"So daughter, what DO you want for winning "Strictly Come Dancing (Old Testament Edition)?"
back to the Sinking of the Russian Flagship Moskova.
It seems that the Russian Orthodox Church had placed one of there relocks on the ship, a fragment from the cross that Jesus was crucified on. That has presumably gone down with the Ship.
(Please can we not argue about weather it was really a fragment of the cross, HYDF will say one thing and everybody else the other and we will be here all night, so please lets not go down that road. However the significant thing here is the Russian Orthodox Church pronated that it was. and this shoes:
1) The ridiculously close relationship between the Russian Orthodox Church, and the Russian State and armed forces. Whatever ones opinion of the separation of church and state, Russia today is at an absolute extreme end of this spectrum.
2) The Russians really did not expect this ship to be sunk.
No, No arguing about a piece of wood which may or may not have been somewhere in the first centaury.
We all know how it will tern out HYDF will say one thing somebody else will point out how perposturase it is, HYDF will double down then everybody will pile in, the chat will get boring, and then tomorrow some people will have overstated their crissum of HYDF and apologise and others will give him credit for sticking to his guns, now we don't want that do we.
If you need to argue there's always pineapple on Prize.
But betters still, can somebody agree we me that this shoes the Russians really did not expect to loss this ship?
I agree. The Russians really did not expect to lose the flagship of their Black Sea Fleet. Indeed, I can't see that they expected any naval losses.
Before Brexit groups of school children could come on a joint permit and didn’t need a passport . The government refused to continue with this . Would any leaver have a problem with the old scheme continuing ? Did Leavers vote for this .
I very much doubt it . No 10 seems obsessed with putting up hurdles to any sort of cultural exchanges.
Just petty and vindictive .
Brexit was always going to have a long lead time of no gain and some pain. I doubt anyone anticipated quite what would break, but equally some things that people predicted would be bad are fine.
It really is too early to tell whether there is much gain to be had. (Of course there will be some in specific areas)
The tourists will still come, and if the school-children need a passport then perhaps it'll be seen as a greater adventure. Who knows. Too early to tell as I said above.
The French government's official position on Ukraine seems to be based on clinging to their role as a mediator in the Normandy format negotiations. They blamed the ongoing crisis on "the parties’ lack of political will to deliver on their commitments" under the Minsk agreements.
Saturday decision - Love red wine (who does not?) and its about time for a glass of course but got a mild touch of gout a few days ago which kept secret from (near split up ) wife (pretended its a sprain as it means no nagging on drinking)) . Do I go for it and have a glass and then tomorrow admit that i have had a gout attack (as an excuse to not bascially do anything) as I wil get nagged for drinking or hold out !
Does your wife know that you guys are breaking up?
back to the Sinking of the Russian Flagship Moskova.
It seems that the Russian Orthodox Church had placed one of there relocks on the ship, a fragment from the cross that Jesus was crucified on. That has presumably gone down with the Ship.
(Please can we not argue about weather it was really a fragment of the cross, HYDF will say one thing and everybody else the other and we will be here all night, so please lets not go down that road. However the significant thing here is the Russian Orthodox Church pronated that it was. and this shoes:
1) The ridiculously close relationship between the Russian Orthodox Church, and the Russian State and armed forces. Whatever ones opinion of the separation of church and state, Russia today is at an absolute extreme end of this spectrum.
2) The Russians really did not expect this ship to be sunk.
No, No arguing about a piece of wood which may or may not have been somewhere in the first centaury.
We all know how it will tern out HYDF will say one thing somebody else will point out how perposturase it is, HYDF will double down then everybody will pile in, the chat will get boring, and then tomorrow some people will have overstated their crissum of HYDF and apologise and others will give him credit for sticking to his guns, now we don't want that do we.
If you need to argue there's always pineapple on Prize.
But betters still, can somebody agree we me that this shoes the Russians really did not expect to loss this ship?
So what happens in 2027? Macron can't run again and there is no obvious successor unless his Mrs trades him in for a younger model. Iron Tits vs Mélenchon in the final?
Édouard Philippe, Mayor of Le Havre, Macron's former prime minister and consistently the most popular politician in France according to polls. Actually Macron sacked him for being more popular than he is.
Philippe chose to sit out the 2022 presidential election, leaving the way clear for Macron, He is intending to run in 2027 and has just set up a vehicle party, Horizon. He is Macron's obvious successor.
Saturday decision - Love red wine (who does not?) and its about time for a glass of course but got a mild touch of gout a few days ago which kept secret from (near split up ) wife (pretended its a sprain as it means no nagging on drinking)) . Do I go for it and have a glass and then tomorrow admit that i have had a gout attack (as an excuse to not bascially do anything) as I wil get nagged for drinking or hold out !
The French marginally in favour of leaving NATO, not much bothered about the Russians, and mostly voting on whether they like Le Pen or want to stop her, rather than for Macron. The nearly even split among Melanchon supporters is shocking - I suspect that if Le Pen squeaked it there would be some harsh criticism of his reluctance to endorse Macron.
It'd be interesting to see comparable polling elsewhere - do Brits, Germans, Americans want to do more/less about Ukraine, or have we got it about right?
That’s better. The 2nd round was looking like a boringly easy win for Macron
This is PB. We need shock polls and bettable turbulence
For the record I stand by my long held prediction, it will be Sindyref deja vu
So what happens in 2027? Macron can't run again and there is no obvious successor unless his Mrs trades him in for a younger model. Iron Tits vs Mélenchon in the final?
Édouard Philippe, Mayor of Le Havre, Macron's former prime minister and consistently the most popular politician in France according to polls. Actually Macron sacked him for being more popular than he is.
Philippe chose to sit out the 2022 presidential election, leaving the way clear for Macron, He is intending to run in 2027 and has just set up a vehicle party, Horizon. He is Macron's obvious successor.
Before Brexit groups of school children could come on a joint permit and didn’t need a passport . The government refused to continue with this . Would any leaver have a problem with the old scheme continuing ? Did Leavers vote for this .
I very much doubt it . No 10 seems obsessed with putting up hurdles to any sort of cultural exchanges.
Just petty and vindictive .
Brexit was always going to have a long lead time of no gain and some pain. I doubt anyone anticipated quite what would break, but equally some things that people predicted would be bad are fine.
It really is too early to tell whether there is much gain to be had. (Of course there will be some in specific areas)
The tourists will still come, and if the school-children need a passport then perhaps it'll be seen as a greater adventure. Who knows. Too early to tell as I said above.
I just don’t see why no 10 need to do things that Leavers never asked them to do!
It’s the same with the music industry and touring bands. I don’t think Leavers would lose sleep over school children coming over on a group permit or a band having some exceptions in terms of FOM .
Equally with Erasmus . It’s the no 10 obsession with cutting cultural links with the rest of the EU which is very disappointing .
Depressing report about the language sector being devastated by Brexit red tape .
All because no 10 refuses to make it easier for school children from the EU to come to the UK.
Means less furrin being audibly spoken in Home Counties towns and a few further north/west. Result, from a certain point of view.
Wouldn't most foreign school trips have come to London or other centres of heritage and tourism?
My understanding* is they are common in Home Counties towns - near the Continent but cheaper than London. A quick check suggests a number in Margate, Tunbridge Wells, and Brighton - three towns taken at random.
But yes, add places such as Oxford, Cambridge, Edinburgh too.
*Edit: distinct impression. But IANAE and we do have at least one EFL teacher regular on PB.
OK. I'm no expert, though I did once see seven separate German school parties while walking along London's South Bank with a colleague from that country. One thing we see in London suburbs is school parties staying at the cheaper chain hotels and getting the tube into Central London (see recent threads for a discussion of where that might be).
“We think language schools are worth £35m to the local economy,” said Kevin Boorman, the council’s marketing manager.
“People elsewhere don’t understand that Hastings is the most deprived town in south-east England. The loss of students has an impact on the whole town. We know Hastings is improving and the tourism industry provides entry-level jobs. To lose language students is a massive blow to every generation.”
Huan Japes, membership director of English UK, the trade body for language schools, said 15% of members had closed permanently. “There’s another 15% that are not certain if they’ll see out the year,” he said. “We could be seeing a 30% loss across the country.”
The French marginally in favour of leaving NATO, not much bothered about the Russians, and mostly voting on whether they like Le Pen or want to stop her, rather than for Macron. The nearly even split among Melanchon supporters is shocking - I suspect that if Le Pen squeaked it there would be some harsh criticism of his reluctance to endorse Macron.
It'd be interesting to see comparable polling elsewhere - do Brits, Germans, Americans want to do more/less about Ukraine, or have we got it about right?
That’s better. The 2nd round was looking like a boringly easy win for Macron
This is PB. We need shock polls and bettable turbulence
For the record I stand by my long held prediction, it will be Sindyref deja vu
55/45 to macron. But we want fun on the way
Speak for yourself. If I want fun I go to a match or download a new game. I want politics to be boring.
The French marginally in favour of leaving NATO, not much bothered about the Russians, and mostly voting on whether they like Le Pen or want to stop her, rather than for Macron. The nearly even split among Melanchon supporters is shocking - I suspect that if Le Pen squeaked it there would be some harsh criticism of his reluctance to endorse Macron.
It'd be interesting to see comparable polling elsewhere - do Brits, Germans, Americans want to do more/less about Ukraine, or have we got it about right?
That’s better. The 2nd round was looking like a boringly easy win for Macron
This is PB. We need shock polls and bettable turbulence
For the record I stand by my long held prediction, it will be Sindyref deja vu
55/45 to macron. But we want fun on the way
Evening @Leon - did you conclude your Empires list? As to France, it seems a little too obvious! They're French after all.
Before Brexit groups of school children could come on a joint permit and didn’t need a passport . The government refused to continue with this . Would any leaver have a problem with the old scheme continuing ? Did Leavers vote for this .
I very much doubt it . No 10 seems obsessed with putting up hurdles to any sort of cultural exchanges.
Just petty and vindictive .
Brexit was always going to have a long lead time of no gain and some pain. I doubt anyone anticipated quite what would break, but equally some things that people predicted would be bad are fine.
It really is too early to tell whether there is much gain to be had. (Of course there will be some in specific areas)
The tourists will still come, and if the school-children need a passport then perhaps it'll be seen as a greater adventure. Who knows. Too early to tell as I said above.
Is anyone still pretending that Brexit will result in anything beneficial? Even Boris doesn't seem to bother any more.
Before Brexit groups of school children could come on a joint permit and didn’t need a passport . The government refused to continue with this . Would any leaver have a problem with the old scheme continuing ? Did Leavers vote for this .
I very much doubt it . No 10 seems obsessed with putting up hurdles to any sort of cultural exchanges.
Just petty and vindictive .
Brexit was always going to have a long lead time of no gain and some pain. I doubt anyone anticipated quite what would break, but equally some things that people predicted would be bad are fine.
It really is too early to tell whether there is much gain to be had. (Of course there will be some in specific areas)
The tourists will still come, and if the school-children need a passport then perhaps it'll be seen as a greater adventure. Who knows. Too early to tell as I said above.
Is anyone still pretending that Brexit will result in anything beneficial? Even Boris doesn't seem to bother any more.
We now elect and dismiss those who rule over us. That was always the primary and overwhelming gain of brexit.
Before Brexit groups of school children could come on a joint permit and didn’t need a passport . The government refused to continue with this . Would any leaver have a problem with the old scheme continuing ? Did Leavers vote for this .
I very much doubt it . No 10 seems obsessed with putting up hurdles to any sort of cultural exchanges.
Just petty and vindictive .
Brexit was always going to have a long lead time of no gain and some pain. I doubt anyone anticipated quite what would break, but equally some things that people predicted would be bad are fine.
It really is too early to tell whether there is much gain to be had. (Of course there will be some in specific areas)
The tourists will still come, and if the school-children need a passport then perhaps it'll be seen as a greater adventure. Who knows. Too early to tell as I said above.
Is anyone still pretending that Brexit will result in anything beneficial? Even Boris doesn't seem to bother any more.
Well, yes, me. The reasons I voted to leave were very long-term reasons. It'd be a harsh thing if one was constrained by the thinking of one politician.
Before Brexit groups of school children could come on a joint permit and didn’t need a passport . The government refused to continue with this . Would any leaver have a problem with the old scheme continuing ? Did Leavers vote for this .
I very much doubt it . No 10 seems obsessed with putting up hurdles to any sort of cultural exchanges.
Just petty and vindictive .
Brexit was always going to have a long lead time of no gain and some pain. I doubt anyone anticipated quite what would break, but equally some things that people predicted would be bad are fine.
It really is too early to tell whether there is much gain to be had. (Of course there will be some in specific areas)
The tourists will still come, and if the school-children need a passport then perhaps it'll be seen as a greater adventure. Who knows. Too early to tell as I said above.
Is anyone still pretending that Brexit will result in anything beneficial? Even Boris doesn't seem to bother any more.
Well, yes, me. The reasons I voted to leave were very long-term reasons. It'd be a harsh thing if one was constrained by the thinking of one politician.
Remainers are STILL too stupid to understand all this. It’s quite phenomenal
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We all know how it will tern out HYDF will say one thing somebody else will point out how perposturase it is, HYDF will double down then everybody will pile in, the chat will get boring, and then tomorrow some people will have overstated their crissum of HYDF and apologise and others will give him credit for sticking to his guns, now we don't want that do we.
If you need to argue there's always pineapple on Prize.
But betters still, can somebody agree we me that this shoes the Russians really did not expect to loss this ship?
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/french-election-le-pen-may-be-on-verge-of-shock-win-with-horror-undecided-stat-for-macron/ar-AAWht93?ocid=winp1taskbar&cvid=6d0c6ce61f084a83cebc92338a41bded
The French marginally in favour of leaving NATO, not much bothered about the Russians, and mostly voting on whether they like Le Pen or want to stop her, rather than for Macron. The nearly even split among Melanchon supporters is shocking - I suspect that if Le Pen squeaked it there would be some harsh criticism of his reluctance to endorse Macron.
It'd be interesting to see comparable polling elsewhere - do Brits, Germans, Americans want to do more/less about Ukraine, or have we got it about right?
Thank you for your slate of candidates statistics for London*. That alone is going to suppress the Green and Lib Dem overall result. Quite surprising that such significant parties cannot find a single soul to put their name on a ballot paper in so many wards.
(*do you have similar numbers for Wales, NI, Scotland and England outwith London?)
However, am assuming it's not too far off base as it seems to confirm what I'm starting to sense: that out of 51 who filed, the FOUR most likely to make the primary cut, and advance to RCV election are"
> Republican Sarah Palin
> Independent Al Gross (former Democratic US Senate candidate)
> Republican Nick Begich III (member of Democratic political dynasty)
> Republican Tara Sweeney (Alaska Native was head of Bureau of Indian Affairs under 45)
The last being most problematic, my theory is that she will get enough support from indigenous voters (possibly under-polled in recent survey) to make the Top 4.
But WAY too early to tell what the hell is gonna happen over coming weeks up in America's Last Frontier!
https://www.politico.eu/europe-poll-of-polls/france/
and all that.
Your shock at the split among Melanchon supporters - given that the extreme left and right have been agreed on many policies for a long time, why are you surprised?
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/opinion-poll-fianna-fáil-and-fine-gael-regain-ground-against-sinn-féin-1.4852008
However, I think you might be underestimating the amount of dislike for Macron and the effect it may have on the result.
I find it hard to see why dislike for MLP would have increased from 2017. If anything, given her moves to be more “centrist”, it may be less.
However, for Macron, it’s easy to say that dislike of him is likely to have increased very significantly since 2017.
Macron has also been more (deliberately seemingly) antagonistic post-the first round. Le Pen less so - her one policy point I’ve seen of NATO and Russia in a “partnership” is also designed to attract, or at least neutralise, Melenchon voters.
Not saying I’m right by any stretch but I’m putting some money on Le Pen because her odds are more favourable than Macron ATM.
Not sure they would have tried it with a Mohammed related advert though.
We could call it Having Voted For Boris Derangement Syndrome (HVFBDS) - but we won't because that sort of thing is puerile, demeaning and tedious.
Nails? Who needs ‘em.
Now, on a serious note. Forget about pieces of the True Cross. Got something far better - a sideboard and chairs by The Man himself.
Every other church has a piece of the Cross. The bloke was a chippie - where's his work?
Whose first on the bidding?
Incidentally i am splitting up with my wife atm
All because no 10 refuses to make it easier for school children from the EU to come to the UK.
But yes, add places such as Oxford, Cambridge, Edinburgh too.
*Edit: distinct impression. But IANAE and we do have at least one EFL teacher regular on PB.
https://www.diplomatie.gouv.fr/en/country-files/ukraine/situation-in-ukraine-what-is/
Could the Ukrainians be victims of their own success? Now it's assumed Russia isn't going to 'win' the war I worry people are getting complacent again. We shouldn't be tolerant of a prolonged conflict even if it's largely restricted to the east with missiles being fired into the cities on a regular basis. It was smart of Zelensky to use the Israel comparison. Having to deal with a permanent enemy who denies your right to exist.
I very much doubt it . No 10 seems obsessed with putting up hurdles to any sort of cultural exchanges.
Just petty and vindictive .
It really is too early to tell whether there is much gain to be had. (Of course there will be some in specific areas)
The tourists will still come, and if the school-children need a passport then perhaps it'll be seen as a greater adventure. Who knows. Too early to tell as I said above.
Good evening PB.
Philippe chose to sit out the 2022 presidential election, leaving the way clear for Macron, He is intending to run in 2027 and has just set up a vehicle party, Horizon. He is Macron's obvious successor.
This is PB. We need shock polls and bettable turbulence
For the record I stand by my long held prediction, it will be Sindyref deja vu
55/45 to macron. But we want fun on the way
It’s the same with the music industry and touring bands. I don’t think Leavers would lose sleep over school children coming over on a group permit or a band having some exceptions in terms of FOM .
Equally with Erasmus . It’s the no 10 obsession with cutting cultural links with the rest of the EU which is very disappointing .
“People elsewhere don’t understand that Hastings is the most deprived town in south-east England. The loss of students has an impact on the whole town. We know Hastings is improving and the tourism industry provides entry-level jobs. To lose language students is a massive blow to every generation.”
Huan Japes, membership director of English UK, the trade body for language schools, said 15% of members had closed permanently. “There’s another 15% that are not certain if they’ll see out the year,” he said. “We could be seeing a 30% loss across the country.”
https://www.theguardian.com/education/2022/apr/16/40000-jobs-at-risk-as-foreign-pupils-shun-uk-language-schools-brexit-covid
I want politics to be boring.
It has happened. It is done. Rejoice