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The collapse of Sunak as seen through the eyes of punters – politicalbetting.com

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edited April 2022 in General
imageThe collapse of Sunak as seen through the eyes of punters – politicalbetting.com

It comes as something as a shock to look back to January when Chancellor Sunak’s “Number 10” chances were riding high and he was approaching evens in the Next PM betting.

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  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 23,241
    edited April 2022
    Gosh

    Turn up, get the 'first', wander off again..
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,413
    edited April 2022
    Given that the top six add up to 58%, is it fair to say that this is a wide open market?
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 39,548
    And finally here’s @HugoGye on the PM’s attempts to cut back on leaks - at least leaks against him - by shrinking the inner circle meetings.

    “It’s not a happy ship at the moment,” a source told i.

    https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/boris-johnson-shrinks-inner-circle-as-no-10-and-treasury-seek-to-crack-down-on-leaks-1565743
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,807
    Neil Warnock announces his retirement from football management.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 80,203
    In St.Petersburg, a man was fined for holding during anti-war rally a poster which says:"The war has brought so much grief that it is impossible to forget it, there is no forgiveness for those who again build aggressive plans."

    The funny thing is that quote is from #Putin's speech.
    https://mobile.twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1512735319103258626
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 56,133
    edited April 2022
    The current assumption has to be that Boris will lead the Tories into another election, SKS will be the Labour leader and it is entirely possible that the Tories might lose their majority giving a premiership, however precarious, to SKS.

    The alternative is that Boris does not recover or cocks up something else and someone else leads the Tories into the next election and is accordingly next PM. Quite hard to call on those 2 options but the lack of a clear successor now on the Tory side makes that side of the bet a lot less attractive.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 74,856
    Nigelb said:

    In St.Petersburg, a man was fined for holding during anti-war rally a poster which says:"The war has brought so much grief that it is impossible to forget it, there is no forgiveness for those who again build aggressive plans."

    The funny thing is that quote is from #Putin's speech.
    https://mobile.twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1512735319103258626

    The officer who made that arrest is to be commended, and should uphold the law without fear or favour.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 30,402
    Everton 1 Man U 0.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,807
    dixiedean said:

    Everton 1 Man U 0.

    LOL...Man Utd are utter crap.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 61,018
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Neil Warnock announces his retirement from football management.

    Presumably he also wants to concentrate on his Senate race.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 14,745
    DavidL said:


    The alternative is that Boris does not recover or cocks up something else and someone else leads the Tories into the next election and is accordingly next PM. Quite hard to call on those 2 options but the lack of a clear successor now on the Tory side makes that side of the bet a lot less attractive.

    If they had to make a quick unscheduled replacement in the event of (another) catastrophic Johnson fuck up the tories would just go for a safe pair of centrist hands in a 'save the furniture' strategy when defeat is inevitable. Maybe Rat Eyes?
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 56,133
    dixiedean said:

    Everton 1 Man U 0.

    The end of the season and the end of Ralf, really cannot come soon enough for United. They would almost certainly have done better leaving OGS in place and he was going nowhere fast.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 56,133
    Dura_Ace said:

    DavidL said:


    The alternative is that Boris does not recover or cocks up something else and someone else leads the Tories into the next election and is accordingly next PM. Quite hard to call on those 2 options but the lack of a clear successor now on the Tory side makes that side of the bet a lot less attractive.

    If they had to make a quick unscheduled replacement in the event of (another) catastrophic Johnson fuck up the tories would just go for a safe pair of centrist hands in a 'save the furniture' strategy when defeat is inevitable. Maybe Rat Eyes?
    Rat eyes? I would have a wild stab at Gove but only that. Right now Ben Wallace looks the most likely but it is very hard to maintain that level of profile as Defence Secretary for long.
  • BigRichBigRich Posts: 3,492
    Nigelb said:

    In St.Petersburg, a man was fined for holding during anti-war rally a poster which says:"The war has brought so much grief that it is impossible to forget it, there is no forgiveness for those who again build aggressive plans."

    The funny thing is that quote is from #Putin's speech.
    https://mobile.twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1512735319103258626

    As I understand it people have been arrested for holding up entirely blank placards and in one case a piece of paper with 'two words' written on it.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 14,745
    DavidL said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    DavidL said:


    The alternative is that Boris does not recover or cocks up something else and someone else leads the Tories into the next election and is accordingly next PM. Quite hard to call on those 2 options but the lack of a clear successor now on the Tory side makes that side of the bet a lot less attractive.

    If they had to make a quick unscheduled replacement in the event of (another) catastrophic Johnson fuck up the tories would just go for a safe pair of centrist hands in a 'save the furniture' strategy when defeat is inevitable. Maybe Rat Eyes?
    Rat eyes? I would have a wild stab at Gove but only that. Right now Ben Wallace looks the most likely but it is very hard to maintain that level of profile as Defence Secretary for long.
    Hunt. That's what my late mother used to call him. She had a wide range of offensive nicknames for just about everybody.
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 10,240
    Am I the only one seeing the site rendering as completely buggered up?
  • pingping Posts: 3,805
    Stark_Dawning said:

    Am I the only one seeing the site rendering as completely buggered up?

    Fine for me on iPhone
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,299
    ydoethur said:

    Nigelb said:

    In St.Petersburg, a man was fined for holding during anti-war rally a poster which says:"The war has brought so much grief that it is impossible to forget it, there is no forgiveness for those who again build aggressive plans."

    The funny thing is that quote is from #Putin's speech.
    https://mobile.twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1512735319103258626

    The officer who made that arrest is to be commended, and should uphold the law without fear or favour.
    A man who runs a computer shop in Moscow has been fined 100k roubles apparently for an anti-war poster in his shop.

    He now plans to put a poster that says “There was a sign here for which a 100,000 ruble fine was imposed.”

    Well wishers have paid his fine.

    (Source: NY Times)

  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 30,713
    Dura_Ace said:

    DavidL said:


    The alternative is that Boris does not recover or cocks up something else and someone else leads the Tories into the next election and is accordingly next PM. Quite hard to call on those 2 options but the lack of a clear successor now on the Tory side makes that side of the bet a lot less attractive.

    If they had to make a quick unscheduled replacement in the event of (another) catastrophic Johnson fuck up the tories would just go for a safe pair of centrist hands in a 'save the furniture' strategy when defeat is inevitable. Maybe Rat Eyes?
    Naah, they are all the way down the rabbit hole now. The Johnsonite wing of the party were pretty aggrieved by California Scheming pushing and briefing and not being a Boosterite knobber. So once the Big Dog inevitably craps on a lawn even he can't just ignore, surely they will anoint someone proper.

    Remember that everything important is at stake. Important being the ability to trouser public money for their friends and patrons. The ability to degrade the public trust so that scrutiny can be dodged or even removed. The ability to reverse some of the worst excesses in the permissive society like Channel 4 and the Rule of Law.

    So no, not Mad-Eye Hunt. They'll go for Javid. Or Williamson. Or Dorries.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 80,203
    Dura_Ace said:

    DavidL said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    DavidL said:


    The alternative is that Boris does not recover or cocks up something else and someone else leads the Tories into the next election and is accordingly next PM. Quite hard to call on those 2 options but the lack of a clear successor now on the Tory side makes that side of the bet a lot less attractive.

    If they had to make a quick unscheduled replacement in the event of (another) catastrophic Johnson fuck up the tories would just go for a safe pair of centrist hands in a 'save the furniture' strategy when defeat is inevitable. Maybe Rat Eyes?
    Rat eyes? I would have a wild stab at Gove but only that. Right now Ben Wallace looks the most likely but it is very hard to maintain that level of profile as Defence Secretary for long.
    Hunt. That's what my late mother used to call him. She had a wide range of offensive nicknames for just about everybody.
    I had him as ferret eyed, but recognised the description.
    Just about everybody ... how did she address you ?
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 56,133
    RochdalePioneers said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    DavidL said:


    The alternative is that Boris does not recover or cocks up something else and someone else leads the Tories into the next election and is accordingly next PM. Quite hard to call on those 2 options but the lack of a clear successor now on the Tory side makes that side of the bet a lot less attractive.

    If they had to make a quick unscheduled replacement in the event of (another) catastrophic Johnson fuck up the tories would just go for a safe pair of centrist hands in a 'save the furniture' strategy when defeat is inevitable. Maybe Rat Eyes?
    Naah, they are all the way down the rabbit hole now. The Johnsonite wing of the party were pretty aggrieved by California Scheming pushing and briefing and not being a Boosterite knobber. So once the Big Dog inevitably craps on a lawn even he can't just ignore, surely they will anoint someone proper.

    Remember that everything important is at stake. Important being the ability to trouser public money for their friends and patrons. The ability to degrade the public trust so that scrutiny can be dodged or even removed. The ability to reverse some of the worst excesses in the permissive society like Channel 4 and the Rule of Law.

    So no, not Mad-Eye Hunt. They'll go for Javid. Or Williamson. Or Dorries.
    What odds are you wanting?
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 15,642
    On energy policy: https://twitter.com/michaelujacobs/status/1512073474990170121
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 10,240
    ping said:

    Stark_Dawning said:

    Am I the only one seeing the site rendering as completely buggered up?

    Fine for me on iPhone
    Okay now - a Chrome cache thing.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 80,203
    rottenborough said:

    ydoethur said:

    Nigelb said:

    In St.Petersburg, a man was fined for holding during anti-war rally a poster which says:"The war has brought so much grief that it is impossible to forget it, there is no forgiveness for those who again build aggressive plans."

    The funny thing is that quote is from #Putin's speech.
    https://mobile.twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1512735319103258626

    The officer who made that arrest is to be commended, and should uphold the law without fear or favour.
    A man who runs a computer shop in Moscow has been fined 100k roubles apparently for an anti-war poster in his shop.

    He now plans to put a poster that says “There was a sign here for which a 100,000 ruble fine was imposed.”

    Well wishers have paid his fine.

    (Source: NY Times)

    It's basically just a worse run version of Soviet Russia now, isn't it ?
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 30,713
    DavidL said:

    RochdalePioneers said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    DavidL said:


    The alternative is that Boris does not recover or cocks up something else and someone else leads the Tories into the next election and is accordingly next PM. Quite hard to call on those 2 options but the lack of a clear successor now on the Tory side makes that side of the bet a lot less attractive.

    If they had to make a quick unscheduled replacement in the event of (another) catastrophic Johnson fuck up the tories would just go for a safe pair of centrist hands in a 'save the furniture' strategy when defeat is inevitable. Maybe Rat Eyes?
    Naah, they are all the way down the rabbit hole now. The Johnsonite wing of the party were pretty aggrieved by California Scheming pushing and briefing and not being a Boosterite knobber. So once the Big Dog inevitably craps on a lawn even he can't just ignore, surely they will anoint someone proper.

    Remember that everything important is at stake. Important being the ability to trouser public money for their friends and patrons. The ability to degrade the public trust so that scrutiny can be dodged or even removed. The ability to reverse some of the worst excesses in the permissive society like Channel 4 and the Rule of Law.

    So no, not Mad-Eye Hunt. They'll go for Javid. Or Williamson. Or Dorries.
    What odds are you wanting?
    Its a hypothetical. What would Big Dog need to do to get removed?
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 56,133
    edited April 2022
    RochdalePioneers said:

    DavidL said:

    RochdalePioneers said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    DavidL said:


    The alternative is that Boris does not recover or cocks up something else and someone else leads the Tories into the next election and is accordingly next PM. Quite hard to call on those 2 options but the lack of a clear successor now on the Tory side makes that side of the bet a lot less attractive.

    If they had to make a quick unscheduled replacement in the event of (another) catastrophic Johnson fuck up the tories would just go for a safe pair of centrist hands in a 'save the furniture' strategy when defeat is inevitable. Maybe Rat Eyes?
    Naah, they are all the way down the rabbit hole now. The Johnsonite wing of the party were pretty aggrieved by California Scheming pushing and briefing and not being a Boosterite knobber. So once the Big Dog inevitably craps on a lawn even he can't just ignore, surely they will anoint someone proper.

    Remember that everything important is at stake. Important being the ability to trouser public money for their friends and patrons. The ability to degrade the public trust so that scrutiny can be dodged or even removed. The ability to reverse some of the worst excesses in the permissive society like Channel 4 and the Rule of Law.

    So no, not Mad-Eye Hunt. They'll go for Javid. Or Williamson. Or Dorries.
    What odds are you wanting?
    Its a hypothetical. What would Big Dog need to do to get removed?
    Lying to Parliament? Nope.
    Breaking laws that he was responsible for? Nope.
    Underminng and rubbishing his own Chancellor? Nope.
    At the moment I am not sure that one murder would cover it.
  • Alphabet_SoupAlphabet_Soup Posts: 3,688
    DavidL said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    DavidL said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    DavidL said:


    The alternative is that Boris does not recover or cocks up something else and someone else leads the Tories into the next election and is accordingly next PM. Quite hard to call on those 2 options but the lack of a clear successor now on the Tory side makes that side of the bet a lot less attractive.

    If they had to make a quick unscheduled replacement in the event of (another) catastrophic Johnson fuck up the tories would just go for a safe pair of centrist hands in a 'save the furniture' strategy when defeat is inevitable. Maybe Rat Eyes?
    Rat eyes? I would have a wild stab at Gove but only that. Right now Ben Wallace looks the most likely but it is very hard to maintain that level of profile as Defence Secretary for long.
    Hunt. That's what my late mother used to call him. She had a wide range of offensive nicknames for just about everybody.
    And people question genetics? Ha.
    Actually it's the old nature vs nurture dilemma. We'd have to find @Dura_Ace's long-lost identical twin brother to reach a tentative conclusion about genetics.
  • MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 7,382
    RochdalePioneers said:

    DavidL said:

    RochdalePioneers said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    DavidL said:


    The alternative is that Boris does not recover or cocks up something else and someone else leads the Tories into the next election and is accordingly next PM. Quite hard to call on those 2 options but the lack of a clear successor now on the Tory side makes that side of the bet a lot less attractive.

    If they had to make a quick unscheduled replacement in the event of (another) catastrophic Johnson fuck up the tories would just go for a safe pair of centrist hands in a 'save the furniture' strategy when defeat is inevitable. Maybe Rat Eyes?
    Naah, they are all the way down the rabbit hole now. The Johnsonite wing of the party were pretty aggrieved by California Scheming pushing and briefing and not being a Boosterite knobber. So once the Big Dog inevitably craps on a lawn even he can't just ignore, surely they will anoint someone proper.

    Remember that everything important is at stake. Important being the ability to trouser public money for their friends and patrons. The ability to degrade the public trust so that scrutiny can be dodged or even removed. The ability to reverse some of the worst excesses in the permissive society like Channel 4 and the Rule of Law.

    So no, not Mad-Eye Hunt. They'll go for Javid. Or Williamson. Or Dorries.
    What odds are you wanting?
    Its a hypothetical. What would Big Dog need to do to get removed?
    Not get a CON majority at the next election.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 28,073
    Nigelb said:

    rottenborough said:

    ydoethur said:

    Nigelb said:

    In St.Petersburg, a man was fined for holding during anti-war rally a poster which says:"The war has brought so much grief that it is impossible to forget it, there is no forgiveness for those who again build aggressive plans."

    The funny thing is that quote is from #Putin's speech.
    https://mobile.twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1512735319103258626

    The officer who made that arrest is to be commended, and should uphold the law without fear or favour.
    A man who runs a computer shop in Moscow has been fined 100k roubles apparently for an anti-war poster in his shop.

    He now plans to put a poster that says “There was a sign here for which a 100,000 ruble fine was imposed.”

    Well wishers have paid his fine.

    (Source: NY Times)

    It's basically just a worse run version of Soviet Russia now, isn't it ?
    Russia had a chance to create a free, modern country after 1991 and they fucked it up.

    Accepting and admitting they fucked it up isn't going to be easy for many Russians.

    So instead they wallow in self-pity and self-entitlement and blaming the rest of the world.
  • MightyAlexMightyAlex Posts: 1,797
    another_richard said:

    Nigelb said:

    rottenborough said:

    ydoethur said:

    Nigelb said:

    In St.Petersburg, a man was fined for holding during anti-war rally a poster which says:"The war has brought so much grief that it is impossible to forget it, there is no forgiveness for those who again build aggressive plans."

    The funny thing is that quote is from #Putin's speech.
    https://mobile.twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1512735319103258626

    The officer who made that arrest is to be commended, and should uphold the law without fear or favour.
    A man who runs a computer shop in Moscow has been fined 100k roubles apparently for an anti-war poster in his shop.

    He now plans to put a poster that says “There was a sign here for which a 100,000 ruble fine was imposed.”

    Well wishers have paid his fine.

    (Source: NY Times)

    It's basically just a worse run version of Soviet Russia now, isn't it ?
    Russia had a chance to create a free, modern country after 1991 and they fucked it up.

    Accepting and admitting they fucked it up isn't going to be easy for many Russians.

    So instead they wallow in self-pity and self-entitlement and blaming the rest of the world.
    They did have help in fucking it up. Much of the economic theory inflicted on Russia was advocated for by western free marketeers.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 80,203
    edited April 2022
    On this green card business, did anyone note that it means while he was campaigning for Brexit, he was committed to becoming a permanent resident of the US ?
    https://www.rishisunak.com/news/why-i-will-vote-britain-leave-eu-0

    I like this bit.
    …. For me, this is a once in a generation opportunity for our country to take back control of its destiny. Of course, leaving will bring some uncertainty, but on balance I believe that our nation will be freer, fairer and more prosperous outside the EU. Outside the EU, we can decide our own immigration policy, ensure our own laws and courts are sovereign, and enhance our position as a dynamic, outward-looking trading economy….
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 74,856
    MikeSmithson said:

    RochdalePioneers said:

    DavidL said:

    RochdalePioneers said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    DavidL said:


    The alternative is that Boris does not recover or cocks up something else and someone else leads the Tories into the next election and is accordingly next PM. Quite hard to call on those 2 options but the lack of a clear successor now on the Tory side makes that side of the bet a lot less attractive.

    If they had to make a quick unscheduled replacement in the event of (another) catastrophic Johnson fuck up the tories would just go for a safe pair of centrist hands in a 'save the furniture' strategy when defeat is inevitable. Maybe Rat Eyes?
    Naah, they are all the way down the rabbit hole now. The Johnsonite wing of the party were pretty aggrieved by California Scheming pushing and briefing and not being a Boosterite knobber. So once the Big Dog inevitably craps on a lawn even he can't just ignore, surely they will anoint someone proper.

    Remember that everything important is at stake. Important being the ability to trouser public money for their friends and patrons. The ability to degrade the public trust so that scrutiny can be dodged or even removed. The ability to reverse some of the worst excesses in the permissive society like Channel 4 and the Rule of Law.

    So no, not Mad-Eye Hunt. They'll go for Javid. Or Williamson. Or Dorries.
    What odds are you wanting?
    Its a hypothetical. What would Big Dog need to do to get removed?
    Not get a CON majority at the next election.
    Come out as a Remainer?
  • MattWMattW Posts: 29,142
    edited April 2022
    bondegezou said:

    On energy policy: https://twitter.com/michaelujacobs/status/1512073474990170121

    Forgive me, but that's a thread mainly about political analysis, not Energy Policy. Istm that it is actually about framing. Michael Jacobs is a professor of political economy, not energy policy.

    I don't think the Political Economists of Sheffield University have much authority on the latter, given their history. :smile:

    One of their greatest hits some years ago was to declare that reduced VAT on energy was actually a massive subsidy to Energy Companies. Now every 'lobbyist for the poor' (eg Rachel Reeves) is demanding that VAT on energy be cut further 'to save people money'.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 28,073
    MightyAlex said:

    another_richard said:

    Nigelb said:

    rottenborough said:

    ydoethur said:

    Nigelb said:

    In St.Petersburg, a man was fined for holding during anti-war rally a poster which says:"The war has brought so much grief that it is impossible to forget it, there is no forgiveness for those who again build aggressive plans."

    The funny thing is that quote is from #Putin's speech.
    https://mobile.twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1512735319103258626

    The officer who made that arrest is to be commended, and should uphold the law without fear or favour.
    A man who runs a computer shop in Moscow has been fined 100k roubles apparently for an anti-war poster in his shop.

    He now plans to put a poster that says “There was a sign here for which a 100,000 ruble fine was imposed.”

    Well wishers have paid his fine.

    (Source: NY Times)

    It's basically just a worse run version of Soviet Russia now, isn't it ?
    Russia had a chance to create a free, modern country after 1991 and they fucked it up.

    Accepting and admitting they fucked it up isn't going to be easy for many Russians.

    So instead they wallow in self-pity and self-entitlement and blaming the rest of the world.
    They did have help in fucking it up. Much of the economic theory inflicted on Russia was advocated for by western free marketeers.
    Every country has to deal with chancers and conmen.

    Most countries tell them to do one whereas the Russian establishment loved what they were offering.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 80,203
    Doubling down.
    Western officials say Russian general Alexander Dvornikov, who played a significant role in the Russian bombardment of Syria, has been put in charge of Moscow's operations in Ukraine
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 56,133
    Nigelb said:

    Doubling down.
    Western officials say Russian general Alexander Dvornikov, who played a significant role in the Russian bombardment of Syria, has been put in charge of Moscow's operations in Ukraine

    At least the snipers will know what he looks like.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,887
    FPT
    RochdalePioneers said:

    Carnyx said:

    RochdalePioneers said:

    Good morning all. Unless you live in Kent where its Day 10 of Brexit hell. Photos now on Twitter of half-empty lorry decks on ferries which rather puts the final "its the ferries not Brexit" argument to the sword.

    Have been entertained by some of the local news coverage. Creatively and imaginatively finding ways to describe the issues without mentioning the B word. They did so once earlier in the week and generated a lot of ANGRY comments from trade experts INDIGNANT that anyone could possibly blame Brexit.

    Ah well.

    "Trade experts." I wonder if we know any?
    If that was aimed at me I'm a trader, not a trade expert. But the commentators on the likes of Kent Live are in denial.

    It isn't the P&O issue - half-empty ferries not a shortage of space
    It isn't because its Easter - because family cars don't go on truck decks or freight shuttles
    It isn't maintenance downtime - as with the other two issues they would impact both sides of the channel equally and there is zero disruption in France
    It IS the collapse of the customs computer system. The one that HMRC told the Tories wouldn't be able to cope with the number of transactions. That is being expected to anyway.

    The real long term damage is on Britain's ability to trade. Truckers describing this as "Manston 2". As in being corralled in their trucks with no facilities for days on end. We saw a drop off in EU companies willing to come across to the UK after that debacle, and we can expect the same after this. Paying astronomical money to bring in anything slowly.
    Ironically meant - so not aimed at you at all! Sorry fi it seemed to be.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,413
    Nigelb said:

    Doubling down.
    Western officials say Russian general Alexander Dvornikov, who played a significant role in the Russian bombardment of Syria, has been put in charge of Moscow's operations in Ukraine

    Let’s hope they send him to the front lines in Mariopol, to take a look around.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,719
    edited April 2022
    DavidL said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    DavidL said:


    The alternative is that Boris does not recover or cocks up something else and someone else leads the Tories into the next election and is accordingly next PM. Quite hard to call on those 2 options but the lack of a clear successor now on the Tory side makes that side of the bet a lot less attractive.

    If they had to make a quick unscheduled replacement in the event of (another) catastrophic Johnson fuck up the tories would just go for a safe pair of centrist hands in a 'save the furniture' strategy when defeat is inevitable. Maybe Rat Eyes?
    Rat eyes? I would have a wild stab at Gove but only that. Right now Ben Wallace looks the most likely but it is very hard to maintain that level of profile as Defence Secretary for long.
    Gove would be frog eyes
  • AslanAslan Posts: 1,673
    another_richard said:

    MightyAlex said:

    another_richard said:

    Nigelb said:

    rottenborough said:

    ydoethur said:

    Nigelb said:

    In St.Petersburg, a man was fined for holding during anti-war rally a poster which says:"The war has brought so much grief that it is impossible to forget it, there is no forgiveness for those who again build aggressive plans."

    The funny thing is that quote is from #Putin's speech.
    https://mobile.twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1512735319103258626

    The officer who made that arrest is to be commended, and should uphold the law without fear or favour.
    A man who runs a computer shop in Moscow has been fined 100k roubles apparently for an anti-war poster in his shop.

    He now plans to put a poster that says “There was a sign here for which a 100,000 ruble fine was imposed.”

    Well wishers have paid his fine.

    (Source: NY Times)

    It's basically just a worse run version of Soviet Russia now, isn't it ?
    Russia had a chance to create a free, modern country after 1991 and they fucked it up.

    Accepting and admitting they fucked it up isn't going to be easy for many Russians.

    So instead they wallow in self-pity and self-entitlement and blaming the rest of the world.
    They did have help in fucking it up. Much of the economic theory inflicted on Russia was advocated for by western free marketeers.
    Every country has to deal with chancers and conmen.

    Most countries tell them to do one whereas the Russian establishment loved what they were offering.
    There was nothing in Western free market theory that advocated for selling state assets at fractions of the market price for the bribe paying politically connected. That was the choice of Russians.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 56,314
    The Chinese government seems to be losing control of the situation in Shanghai.

    https://twitter.com/cam_l/status/1512646118575812612

    https://twitter.com/MikeSmithAFR/status/1512557720544903169
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 32,304
    edited April 2022
    Aslan said:

    another_richard said:

    MightyAlex said:

    another_richard said:

    Nigelb said:

    rottenborough said:

    ydoethur said:

    Nigelb said:

    In St.Petersburg, a man was fined for holding during anti-war rally a poster which says:"The war has brought so much grief that it is impossible to forget it, there is no forgiveness for those who again build aggressive plans."

    The funny thing is that quote is from #Putin's speech.
    https://mobile.twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1512735319103258626

    The officer who made that arrest is to be commended, and should uphold the law without fear or favour.
    A man who runs a computer shop in Moscow has been fined 100k roubles apparently for an anti-war poster in his shop.

    He now plans to put a poster that says “There was a sign here for which a 100,000 ruble fine was imposed.”

    Well wishers have paid his fine.

    (Source: NY Times)

    It's basically just a worse run version of Soviet Russia now, isn't it ?
    Russia had a chance to create a free, modern country after 1991 and they fucked it up.

    Accepting and admitting they fucked it up isn't going to be easy for many Russians.

    So instead they wallow in self-pity and self-entitlement and blaming the rest of the world.
    They did have help in fucking it up. Much of the economic theory inflicted on Russia was advocated for by western free marketeers.
    Every country has to deal with chancers and conmen.

    Most countries tell them to do one whereas the Russian establishment loved what they were offering.
    There was nothing in Western free market theory that advocated for selling state assets at fractions of the market price for the bribe paying politically connected. That was the choice of Russians.
    You say that but it happened in Iraq as well after the free marketeer Americans invaded.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 56,133
    malcolmg said:

    DavidL said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    DavidL said:


    The alternative is that Boris does not recover or cocks up something else and someone else leads the Tories into the next election and is accordingly next PM. Quite hard to call on those 2 options but the lack of a clear successor now on the Tory side makes that side of the bet a lot less attractive.

    If they had to make a quick unscheduled replacement in the event of (another) catastrophic Johnson fuck up the tories would just go for a safe pair of centrist hands in a 'save the furniture' strategy when defeat is inevitable. Maybe Rat Eyes?
    Rat eyes? I would have a wild stab at Gove but only that. Right now Ben Wallace looks the most likely but it is very hard to maintain that level of profile as Defence Secretary for long.
    Gove would be frog eyes
    Sorry, I must work harder on my childish abuse.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 44,690
    edited April 2022
    I'm mildly fascinated by how deranged many of those sensible, centrist paladins of Blairism become in old age.



    https://twitter.com/jamiedmaxwell/status/1512748122178572288?s=20&t=uH7Z9pgg07teKcFG5civSg
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 74,856
    Sandpit said:

    Nigelb said:

    Doubling down.
    Western officials say Russian general Alexander Dvornikov, who played a significant role in the Russian bombardment of Syria, has been put in charge of Moscow's operations in Ukraine

    Let’s hope they send him to the front lines in Mariopol, to take a look around.
    With a mobile phone. Don't forget that.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,719
    Anybody help me 're turning off autocorrect on a tablet
  • MightyAlexMightyAlex Posts: 1,797
    another_richard said:

    MightyAlex said:

    another_richard said:

    Nigelb said:

    rottenborough said:

    ydoethur said:

    Nigelb said:

    In St.Petersburg, a man was fined for holding during anti-war rally a poster which says:"The war has brought so much grief that it is impossible to forget it, there is no forgiveness for those who again build aggressive plans."

    The funny thing is that quote is from #Putin's speech.
    https://mobile.twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1512735319103258626

    The officer who made that arrest is to be commended, and should uphold the law without fear or favour.
    A man who runs a computer shop in Moscow has been fined 100k roubles apparently for an anti-war poster in his shop.

    He now plans to put a poster that says “There was a sign here for which a 100,000 ruble fine was imposed.”

    Well wishers have paid his fine.

    (Source: NY Times)

    It's basically just a worse run version of Soviet Russia now, isn't it ?
    Russia had a chance to create a free, modern country after 1991 and they fucked it up.

    Accepting and admitting they fucked it up isn't going to be easy for many Russians.

    So instead they wallow in self-pity and self-entitlement and blaming the rest of the world.
    They did have help in fucking it up. Much of the economic theory inflicted on Russia was advocated for by western free marketeers.
    Every country has to deal with chancers and conmen.

    Most countries tell them to do one whereas the Russian establishment loved what they were offering.
    Those conmen held and still hold high status positions in academe and industry. Our establishment told theirs what was happening was acceptable regardless of the society it was producing. .
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 74,856
    malcolmg said:

    Anybody help me 're turning off autocorrect on a tablet

    Why? Does it not recognise 'bollox' as a word?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 64,123
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Am I about to be banished to GB News for telling Leon about DALLE-2 ?

    You could have anticipated the reaction…

    And to be fair I’m not the only one freaking out. There are artists on Twitter saying “that’s it, my life is over” etc etc

    I don’t think it’s any more revelatory than GPT3 (and it is the same basic model?) but because it is visual it has waaaay more impact. The feeling of astonishment is instant. The Shock of the New
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,887
    Theuniondivvie said:

    I'm mildly fascinated by how deranged many of those sensible, centrist paladins of Blairism become in old age.



    https://twitter.com/jamiedmaxwell/status/1512748122178572288?s=20&t=uH7Z9pgg07teKcFG5civSg

    Mm, bit unfair not to give the credit to Mr Murphy. Mr Maxwell has a nice pic of Mull and Ardnamurchan from the air a few tweets earlier, too, btw, as far as Eigg and Mallaig.
  • MightyAlexMightyAlex Posts: 1,797
    Theuniondivvie said:

    I'm mildly fascinated by how deranged many of those sensible, centrist paladins of Blairism become in old age.



    https://twitter.com/jamiedmaxwell/status/1512748122178572288?s=20&t=uH7Z9pgg07teKcFG5civSg


    Seems to happen to most of us as we age. Changing our opinions is hard and must be harder when you've have such success.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 28,073
    MightyAlex said:

    another_richard said:

    MightyAlex said:

    another_richard said:

    Nigelb said:

    rottenborough said:

    ydoethur said:

    Nigelb said:

    In St.Petersburg, a man was fined for holding during anti-war rally a poster which says:"The war has brought so much grief that it is impossible to forget it, there is no forgiveness for those who again build aggressive plans."

    The funny thing is that quote is from #Putin's speech.
    https://mobile.twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1512735319103258626

    The officer who made that arrest is to be commended, and should uphold the law without fear or favour.
    A man who runs a computer shop in Moscow has been fined 100k roubles apparently for an anti-war poster in his shop.

    He now plans to put a poster that says “There was a sign here for which a 100,000 ruble fine was imposed.”

    Well wishers have paid his fine.

    (Source: NY Times)

    It's basically just a worse run version of Soviet Russia now, isn't it ?
    Russia had a chance to create a free, modern country after 1991 and they fucked it up.

    Accepting and admitting they fucked it up isn't going to be easy for many Russians.

    So instead they wallow in self-pity and self-entitlement and blaming the rest of the world.
    They did have help in fucking it up. Much of the economic theory inflicted on Russia was advocated for by western free marketeers.
    Every country has to deal with chancers and conmen.

    Most countries tell them to do one whereas the Russian establishment loved what they were offering.
    Those conmen held and still hold high status positions in academe and industry. Our establishment told theirs what was happening was acceptable regardless of the society it was producing. .
    That the Russian establishment was massively enriching itself had nothing to do with it of course.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 32,304
    malcolmg said:

    Anybody help me 're turning off autocorrect on a tablet

    ipad? Settings > General > Keyboard > Auto-Correction.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 44,690
    malcolmg said:

    Anybody help me 're turning off autocorrect on a tablet

    On an iPad it’s Settings>General and then it’s part of the list of keyboard settings.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 56,133
    Perhaps if this game was extended for another 24 hours or so United might score.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 28,073
    williamglenn said:

    The Chinese government seems to be losing control of the situation in Shanghai.

    https://twitter.com/cam_l/status/1512646118575812612

    https://twitter.com/MikeSmithAFR/status/1512557720544903169

    Chinese government being a bunch of Knuts trying to hold back the Omicron tide.
  • MrEdMrEd Posts: 5,578
    another_richard said:

    williamglenn said:

    The Chinese government seems to be losing control of the situation in Shanghai.

    https://twitter.com/cam_l/status/1512646118575812612

    https://twitter.com/MikeSmithAFR/status/1512557720544903169

    Chinese government being a bunch of Knuts trying to hold back the Omicron tide.
    I’m not sure Shanghai is necessarily representative of China as a whole - given it’s history, it’s a bit unique. However, it’s clear in an age of social media that the authorities don’t really know how to react - gunning down masses of looters would cause a firestorm when posted on social platforms even if the censors took them down quickly.
  • MrEdMrEd Posts: 5,578
    LOL:

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/i-tried-to-put-russia-on-another-path/ar-AAVYglE

    Can be summarised as “it’s not my fault”

    The fact that Clinton was President from 92 to 2000, and could have encouraged another path is of no relevance whatsoever.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,258
    another_richard said:

    williamglenn said:

    The Chinese government seems to be losing control of the situation in Shanghai.

    https://twitter.com/cam_l/status/1512646118575812612

    https://twitter.com/MikeSmithAFR/status/1512557720544903169

    Chinese government being a bunch of Knuts trying to hold back the Omicron tide.
    Have they even admitted anyone has died of Covid in China in the last year?
  • MightyAlexMightyAlex Posts: 1,797
    edited April 2022
    another_richard said:

    MightyAlex said:

    another_richard said:

    MightyAlex said:

    another_richard said:

    Nigelb said:

    rottenborough said:

    ydoethur said:

    Nigelb said:

    In St.Petersburg, a man was fined for holding during anti-war rally a poster which says:"The war has brought so much grief that it is impossible to forget it, there is no forgiveness for those who again build aggressive plans."

    The funny thing is that quote is from #Putin's speech.
    https://mobile.twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1512735319103258626

    The officer who made that arrest is to be commended, and should uphold the law without fear or favour.
    A man who runs a computer shop in Moscow has been fined 100k roubles apparently for an anti-war poster in his shop.

    He now plans to put a poster that says “There was a sign here for which a 100,000 ruble fine was imposed.”

    Well wishers have paid his fine.

    (Source: NY Times)

    It's basically just a worse run version of Soviet Russia now, isn't it ?
    Russia had a chance to create a free, modern country after 1991 and they fucked it up.

    Accepting and admitting they fucked it up isn't going to be easy for many Russians.

    So instead they wallow in self-pity and self-entitlement and blaming the rest of the world.
    They did have help in fucking it up. Much of the economic theory inflicted on Russia was advocated for by western free marketeers.
    Every country has to deal with chancers and conmen.

    Most countries tell them to do one whereas the Russian establishment loved what they were offering.
    Those conmen held and still hold high status positions in academe and industry. Our establishment told theirs what was happening was acceptable regardless of the society it was producing. .
    That the Russian establishment was massively enriching itself had nothing to do with it of course.
    I'm not blaming anyone outright. We provided the economic framework through advisers and they the greed and undemocratic norms.

    What I struggle with was Russia being pushed down the path of oligarchism by our political and economic hubris. Yes we won the cold war but we've helped create a hotter one 30 years later.
  • NorthofStokeNorthofStoke Posts: 1,758
    edited April 2022
    MightyAlex said:

    another_richard said:

    MightyAlex said:

    another_richard said:

    MightyAlex said:

    another_richard said:

    Nigelb said:

    rottenborough said:

    ydoethur said:

    Nigelb said:

    In St.Petersburg, a man was fined for holding during anti-war rally a poster which says:"The war has brought so much grief that it is impossible to forget it, there is no forgiveness for those who again build aggressive plans."

    The funny thing is that quote is from #Putin's speech.
    https://mobile.twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1512735319103258626

    The officer who made that arrest is to be commended, and should uphold the law without fear or favour.
    A man who runs a computer shop in Moscow has been fined 100k roubles apparently for an anti-war poster in his shop.

    He now plans to put a poster that says “There was a sign here for which a 100,000 ruble fine was imposed.”

    Well wishers have paid his fine.

    (Source: NY Times)

    It's basically just a worse run version of Soviet Russia now, isn't it ?
    Russia had a chance to create a free, modern country after 1991 and they fucked it up.

    Accepting and admitting they fucked it up isn't going to be easy for many Russians.

    So instead they wallow in self-pity and self-entitlement and blaming the rest of the world.
    They did have help in fucking it up. Much of the economic theory inflicted on Russia was advocated for by western free marketeers.
    Every country has to deal with chancers and conmen.

    Most countries tell them to do one whereas the Russian establishment loved what they were offering.
    Those conmen held and still hold high status positions in academe and industry. Our establishment told theirs what was happening was acceptable regardless of the society it was producing. .
    That the Russian establishment was massively enriching itself had nothing to do with it of course.
    I'm not blaming anyone outright. We provided the economic framework through advisers and they the greed and undemocratic norms.

    What I struggle with was Russia being pushed down the path of oligarchism by economists and politicians blinkered by hubris. Yes we won the cold war but we've helped create a hotter one 30 years later.
    Yes of course! I'd forgotten that we occupied Russia and appointed an interim government that implemented policies chosen by western governments.

    It was a great pity that a pragmatic transitional regime that wasn't too corrupt didn't emerge and I dare say the international financial institutions didn't help matter.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 44,690
    edited April 2022
    Great Expectations on BBC2 at the moment if anyone wants to see a real masterpiece. The chances of AI creating this or similar are precisely fuck all.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 74,856
    NorthofStoke said:

    MightyAlex said:

    another_richard said:

    MightyAlex said:

    another_richard said:

    MightyAlex said:

    another_richard said:

    Nigelb said:

    rottenborough said:

    ydoethur said:

    Nigelb said:

    In St.Petersburg, a man was fined for holding during anti-war rally a poster which says:"The war has brought so much grief that it is impossible to forget it, there is no forgiveness for those who again build aggressive plans."

    The funny thing is that quote is from #Putin's speech.
    https://mobile.twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1512735319103258626

    The officer who made that arrest is to be commended, and should uphold the law without fear or favour.
    A man who runs a computer shop in Moscow has been fined 100k roubles apparently for an anti-war poster in his shop.

    He now plans to put a poster that says “There was a sign here for which a 100,000 ruble fine was imposed.”

    Well wishers have paid his fine.

    (Source: NY Times)

    It's basically just a worse run version of Soviet Russia now, isn't it ?
    Russia had a chance to create a free, modern country after 1991 and they fucked it up.

    Accepting and admitting they fucked it up isn't going to be easy for many Russians.

    So instead they wallow in self-pity and self-entitlement and blaming the rest of the world.
    They did have help in fucking it up. Much of the economic theory inflicted on Russia was advocated for by western free marketeers.
    Every country has to deal with chancers and conmen.

    Most countries tell them to do one whereas the Russian establishment loved what they were offering.
    Those conmen held and still hold high status positions in academe and industry. Our establishment told theirs what was happening was acceptable regardless of the society it was producing. .
    That the Russian establishment was massively enriching itself had nothing to do with it of course.
    I'm not blaming anyone outright. We provided the economic framework through advisers and they the greed and undemocratic norms.

    What I struggle with was Russia being pushed down the path of oligarchism by economists and politicians blinkered by hubris. Yes we won the cold war but we've helped create a hotter one 30 years later.
    Yes of course! I'd forgotten that we occupied Russia and appointed an interim government that implemented policies chosen by western governments.

    It was a great pity that a pragmatic transitional regime that wasn't too corrupt didn't emerge and I dare say the international financial institutions didn't help matter.
    TBF, there aren't too many dazzling successes among the post soviet states. Estonia, perhaps, but it went through some hard times to get there. The problems of the Soviet Union weren't cured merely by political changes, and in many cases haven't actually gone away or even been improved by them.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 30,402
    Everton 1 United 0.
    Absolute scenes at Goodison!
  • murali_smurali_s Posts: 3,084
    edited April 2022
    O/T Sri Lanka. Why are people surprised about the situation in Sri Lanka? 20% of the population have known what these people are like for 20 or so years? Where were the protests when geonocide and crimes against humanity were happening in Sri Lanka? Let the corrupt war criminals and their saffron clad allies burn in hell!
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 46,750
    MightyAlex said:

    another_richard said:

    MightyAlex said:

    another_richard said:

    MightyAlex said:

    another_richard said:

    Nigelb said:

    rottenborough said:

    ydoethur said:

    Nigelb said:

    In St.Petersburg, a man was fined for holding during anti-war rally a poster which says:"The war has brought so much grief that it is impossible to forget it, there is no forgiveness for those who again build aggressive plans."

    The funny thing is that quote is from #Putin's speech.
    https://mobile.twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1512735319103258626

    The officer who made that arrest is to be commended, and should uphold the law without fear or favour.
    A man who runs a computer shop in Moscow has been fined 100k roubles apparently for an anti-war poster in his shop.

    He now plans to put a poster that says “There was a sign here for which a 100,000 ruble fine was imposed.”

    Well wishers have paid his fine.

    (Source: NY Times)

    It's basically just a worse run version of Soviet Russia now, isn't it ?
    Russia had a chance to create a free, modern country after 1991 and they fucked it up.

    Accepting and admitting they fucked it up isn't going to be easy for many Russians.

    So instead they wallow in self-pity and self-entitlement and blaming the rest of the world.
    They did have help in fucking it up. Much of the economic theory inflicted on Russia was advocated for by western free marketeers.
    Every country has to deal with chancers and conmen.

    Most countries tell them to do one whereas the Russian establishment loved what they were offering.
    Those conmen held and still hold high status positions in academe and industry. Our establishment told theirs what was happening was acceptable regardless of the society it was producing. .
    That the Russian establishment was massively enriching itself had nothing to do with it of course.
    I'm not blaming anyone outright. We provided the economic framework through advisers and they the greed and undemocratic norms.

    What I struggle with was Russia being pushed down the path of oligarchism by our political and economic hubris. Yes we won the cold war but we've helped create a hotter one 30 years later.
    Yes that's analysis not self-flagellation.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    malcolmg said:

    2nd, but as previous poster left I think it counts as 1st

    Which has suddenly raised a burning question in my smoldering mind:

    Is there a definitive list of PB "firsts"? If not, why not? (Slack management?)

    Move that OGH issue decree to RCS and TSE to immediate begin process of identifying & verifying the first comment on every PB post! Prospectively AND retrospective!!
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 56,314
    Quite a young crowd for Marine Le Pen in the south of France:

    https://twitter.com/MLP_officiel/status/1512380938277249025
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,539


    FPT
    Luckyguy1983 said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    By coincidence Die Hard 4.0 was on "Great Movies" just now :)

    By mistake one assumes.
    It's called "Live Free or Die Hard" in the USA, as an "homage" to the Granite State.
  • darkagedarkage Posts: 5,398
    If one is to look at the situation in Russia after the fall of communism.... a small group of people got insanely rich and a small middle class emerged... but for a lot of people, life is clearly a lot more tough than those in post soviet states that have joined the EU, or even in a place halfway, like Ukraine.

    Ultimately, the Russian government has failed Russians - a government who keep saying 'well it could be worse and we need order instead of chaos, look what happened in the 1990's', for which they in turn try and blame 'the west' which is actually just a way of deflecting attention away from its own greed and incompetence.

    The saddest manifestation of this is Russian soldiers looting washing machines in Ukraine, it is just tragic and sad; looks like a failing, backward country.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    Scott_xP said:

    And finally here’s @HugoGye on the PM’s attempts to cut back on leaks - at least leaks against him - by shrinking the inner circle meetings.

    “It’s not a happy ship at the moment,” a source told i.

    https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/boris-johnson-shrinks-inner-circle-as-no-10-and-treasury-seek-to-crack-down-on-leaks-1565743

    Shirley Temple - On the Good Ship Lollipop
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLLSqpYyPD8
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 61,018
    williamglenn said:

    Quite a young crowd for Marine Le Pen in the south of France:

    https://twitter.com/MLP_officiel/status/1512380938277249025

    The South of France, Orange, etc., Is very much the FN heartland. Pretty much all their elected officials are there. (Which always surprised me: I would have thought they would have been stronger in the Past de Calais region.)
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 61,018
    dixiedean said:

    Everton 1 United 0.
    Absolute scenes at Goodison!

    Disaster for Burnley.
  • TimTTimT Posts: 6,468
    Best Ukraine cartoon to date for cat lovers:

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FP5YdQMXoAQIWHi?format=jpg&name=large
  • londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,704
    rcs1000 said:

    dixiedean said:

    Everton 1 United 0.
    Absolute scenes at Goodison!

    Disaster for Burnley.
    Not helpful for Watford either!

    Still, in the end, each team needs to get their own points not worry about other results.

    On that basis Watford = 😡😡😡
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    1950 Republican campaign theme - "Who lost China?" Answer - "The Democrats!"

    2022 Republican campaign theme - "Who lost Russia?" Answer - "Ditto!"

    It worked then so they reckon it can work again.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 80,203
    Apparently also a Russian Navy veteran.

    https://twitter.com/avalaina/status/1512566959279325186
    78-year-old writer Yevhen Bal died near Mariupol after being tortured by Russians.
    They found the photo with Ukrainian soldiers in his house and were beating him for three days.
    Source: Pavlo Kushch, a representative of the National Union of Writers of Ukraine
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,413
    Unconfirmed reports that the PM is or was in Kiev meeting Zelensky.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 80,203
    Johnson reported in Kyiv.
    https://twitter.com/UkrEmbLondon/status/1512791528607031303
  • LeonLeon Posts: 64,123
    rcs1000 said:

    williamglenn said:

    Quite a young crowd for Marine Le Pen in the south of France:

    https://twitter.com/MLP_officiel/status/1512380938277249025

    The South of France, Orange, etc., Is very much the FN heartland. Pretty much all their elected officials are there. (Which always surprised me: I would have thought they would have been stronger in the Past de Calais region.)
    Not called the FN any more.

    Now it’s RN. “National Rally”. Part of the rebranding
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 5,204
    Well, they kept Boris's visit to Kyiv quiet.. Not _everything_ leaks from No.10 it seems.

    https://twitter.com/UkrEmbLondon/status/1512791528607031303
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 61,018
    another_richard said:

    Nigelb said:

    rottenborough said:

    ydoethur said:

    Nigelb said:

    In St.Petersburg, a man was fined for holding during anti-war rally a poster which says:"The war has brought so much grief that it is impossible to forget it, there is no forgiveness for those who again build aggressive plans."

    The funny thing is that quote is from #Putin's speech.
    https://mobile.twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1512735319103258626

    The officer who made that arrest is to be commended, and should uphold the law without fear or favour.
    A man who runs a computer shop in Moscow has been fined 100k roubles apparently for an anti-war poster in his shop.

    He now plans to put a poster that says “There was a sign here for which a 100,000 ruble fine was imposed.”

    Well wishers have paid his fine.

    (Source: NY Times)

    It's basically just a worse run version of Soviet Russia now, isn't it ?
    Russia had a chance to create a free, modern country after 1991 and they fucked it up.

    Accepting and admitting they fucked it up isn't going to be easy for many Russians.

    So instead they wallow in self-pity and self-entitlement and blaming the rest of the world.
    Many countries that were formerly part of the Soviet Union / Warsaw Pact have thrived. Look at Estonia, or Slovenia, or Poland, or Czechia.

    Others, even when blessed with trillions in natural resources revenues, have not

    Blaming the West for Putin seems a fairly ridiculous response.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 44,690
    rcs1000 said:

    williamglenn said:

    Quite a young crowd for Marine Le Pen in the south of France:

    https://twitter.com/MLP_officiel/status/1512380938277249025

    The South of France, Orange, etc., Is very much the FN heartland. Pretty much all their elected officials are there. (Which always surprised me: I would have thought they would have been stronger in the Past de Calais region.)
    I'll tell you who else was strong in the South of France..



    I'd guess many Pieds-Noirs resettling in the south also helped.


  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 61,018
    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    williamglenn said:

    Quite a young crowd for Marine Le Pen in the south of France:

    https://twitter.com/MLP_officiel/status/1512380938277249025

    The South of France, Orange, etc., Is very much the FN heartland. Pretty much all their elected officials are there. (Which always surprised me: I would have thought they would have been stronger in the Past de Calais region.)
    Not called the FN any more.

    Now it’s RN. “National Rally”. Part of the rebranding
    I actually knew that, but old habits die hard.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 64,123
    williamglenn said:

    Quite a young crowd for Marine Le Pen in the south of France:

    https://twitter.com/MLP_officiel/status/1512380938277249025


    That’s an extraordinary video

    I’m sure they selected lots of REALLY young people, but nonetheless the really young people look overwhelmingly delighted to see her. Thrilled, even. That’s not fake. She has star quality for them,

    Of course her problem is 15 year olds can’t vote and 18 year olds don’t vote but… hmm….

    Looking at that makes me think she might indeed win. Macron needs the crumblies to come out, big time
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 61,018
    Leon said:

    williamglenn said:

    Quite a young crowd for Marine Le Pen in the south of France:

    https://twitter.com/MLP_officiel/status/1512380938277249025


    That’s an extraordinary video

    I’m sure they selected lots of REALLY young people, but nonetheless the really young people look overwhelmingly delighted to see her. Thrilled, even. That’s not fake. She has star quality for them,

    Of course her problem is 15 year olds can’t vote and 18 year olds don’t vote but… hmm….

    Looking at that makes me think she might indeed win. Macron needs the crumblies to come out, big time
    It is, of course, well worth remembering that both Melenchon and Le Pen draw predominantly from the young, while Pecresse gets the oldies. Macron gets the middle aged.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,968
    williamglenn said:

    Quite a young crowd for Marine Le Pen in the south of France:

    https://twitter.com/MLP_officiel/status/1512380938277249025

    It's a bit rough for Macron seeing as practically he's done more than any other leader in Europe for French consumer energy costs.
    But I guess electorates don't do counterfactual gratitude.
  • VerulamiusVerulamius Posts: 1,555
    Boris is finally in Kyiv..

    https://mobile.twitter.com/IAPonomarenko
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,823
    F1: Albon disqualified from the race over a fuel irregularity.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 64,123
    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    williamglenn said:

    Quite a young crowd for Marine Le Pen in the south of France:

    https://twitter.com/MLP_officiel/status/1512380938277249025


    That’s an extraordinary video

    I’m sure they selected lots of REALLY young people, but nonetheless the really young people look overwhelmingly delighted to see her. Thrilled, even. That’s not fake. She has star quality for them,

    Of course her problem is 15 year olds can’t vote and 18 year olds don’t vote but… hmm….

    Looking at that makes me think she might indeed win. Macron needs the crumblies to come out, big time
    It is, of course, well worth remembering that both Melenchon and Le Pen draw predominantly from the young, while Pecresse gets the oldies. Macron gets the middle aged.
    But in a two way race, Le Pen - according to the polls - wins all age groups up to 55 IIRC
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,413
    edited April 2022
    Morris_Dancer said:

    F1: Albon disqualified from the race over a fuel irregularity.

    Nope, not disqualified from the race, kicked out of qualifying for not having any fuel left in the car when he stopped on track.
    He’ll start at the back tomorrow.
    https://www.fia.com/sites/default/files/decision-document/2022 Australian Grand Prix - Offence - Car 23 - Fuel sample.pdf
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 74,856
    edited April 2022
    Theuniondivvie said:

    rcs1000 said:

    williamglenn said:

    Quite a young crowd for Marine Le Pen in the south of France:

    https://twitter.com/MLP_officiel/status/1512380938277249025

    The South of France, Orange, etc., Is very much the FN heartland. Pretty much all their elected officials are there. (Which always surprised me: I would have thought they would have been stronger in the Past de Calais region.)
    I'll tell you who else was strong in the South of France..



    I'd guess many Pieds-Noirs resettling in the south also helped.


    From supporting Petain the puppet to supporting Putin's puppet has a certain logic to it.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 64,123
    Pulpstar said:

    williamglenn said:

    Quite a young crowd for Marine Le Pen in the south of France:

    https://twitter.com/MLP_officiel/status/1512380938277249025

    It's a bit rough for Macron seeing as practically he's done more than any other leader in Europe for French consumer energy costs.
    But I guess electorates don't do counterfactual gratitude.
    But this might be like Brexit.

    British voters listened to all the sensible economic arguments against Brexit and said Yeah well fuck that, we want sovereignty. They may have been deluded, swindled, wrong and/or evil, but polls show sovereignty was THE most important argument (even more than migration)

    Sometimes it’s not always “the economy, stupid”

    France MAY be approaching one of these inflection points. I remain highly skeptical that Le Pen can win, but it’s gonna be close
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