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There is a good argument for saying that the 41% on Johnson still being CON leader at the next election is a good value bet. Certainly, there has been a fair amount of turbulence on this market in recent months and now YES is on the rise.

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  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    On the one hand, there will be much more to come out, about everything.

    On the other, greased pig. i have virtually bankrupted myself betting against him.

    But parties and FPNs are not yet, not a thing. Recency/immediacy bias have made us forget that stuff but it will be back.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,207
    edited March 2022
    Have we done this?

    Ben Wallace, the defence secretary, has hit out at Russian “dirty tricks” after being targeted by an impostor posing as the Ukrainian prime minister.

    He told The Times that a man pretending to be prime minister Denys Shmyhal on a video call asked him a series of questions which “got wilder and wilder so I ended the call”.

    One line of inquiry is that the call was orchestrated by Russian intelligence as an attempt to extract sensitive information from Wallace or as an attempt to embarrass him.

    Wallace, a former Scots Guards who was in Poland at the time, ordered an immediate inquiry to find out how the impostor was able to speak to him. It is understood the call lasted less than ten minutes.

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/impostor-tries-to-dupe-defence-secretary-35rqqkbjw
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 52,593
    No, it’s a crap bet. Even Tories will, eventually, realise that the clown’s election-winning days are over.
  • AslanAslan Posts: 1,673
    I actually really like getting my passport stamped when going on a multicountry trip. Makes my passport look a lot more colorful and interesting.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 66,350
    FPT

    Flatlander said:

    This P&O thing is so extreme that it almost looks like enemy action designed to cause chaos.

    How much Russian influence is there in Dubai?


    I have never seen a more shocking video then the one from the boss of P & O to their staff

    Arrogance and appalling lack of sympathy

    He instantly made himself the most despised employer in the UK

    I cannot believe he can get away with this
  • AslanAslan Posts: 1,673
    If the Tories keep Boris for the next election they are complete idiots and deserve to lose.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 19,798
    IanB2 said:

    No, it’s a crap bet. Even Tories will, eventually, realise that the clown’s election-winning days are over.

    The old party gate stuff is still waiting, like a dog turd on an unlit pavement. Whatever the police decide, I think it will be bad for Johnson. If he is ‘exonerated’, I think most people won’t believe it. If he gets a fine, especially a substantial one, then I think he has lied to parliament and needs to go. Which he won’t voluntarily. So it gets down to individual Tory mps worrying about the mortgage post election. What is the best option to keep their snouts in the trough. Right now there is the luxury of time. But in late 2023 there won’t be.
  • ChrisChris Posts: 12,091
    I realise the BBC thinks this war is entering its third week, but those of us who successfully learned arithmetic at school know that it's entering its fourth.

    So do people think history will view this as one of Vladimir Putin's cleverer decisions?

    Or not?
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 46,622
    Yep, good bet imo. Sadly. Been saying so for a long time too tbf to me.
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,455
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Have we done this?

    Ben Wallace, the defence secretary, has hit out at Russian “dirty tricks” after being targeted by an impostor posing as the Ukrainian prime minister.

    He told The Times that a man pretending to be prime minister Denys Shmyhal on a video call asked him a series of questions which “got wilder and wilder so I ended the call”.

    One line of inquiry is that the call was orchestrated by Russian intelligence as an attempt to extract sensitive information from Wallace or as an attempt to embarrass him.

    Wallace, a former Scots Guards who was in Poland at the time, ordered an immediate inquiry to find out how the impostor was able to speak to him. It is understood the call lasted less than ten minutes.

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/impostor-tries-to-dupe-defence-secretary-35rqqkbjw

    No, but I don't think it's that outrageous that they were able to speak to him.

    What he said, on the other hand...
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 30,379
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Have we done this?

    Ben Wallace, the defence secretary, has hit out at Russian “dirty tricks” after being targeted by an impostor posing as the Ukrainian prime minister.

    He told The Times that a man pretending to be prime minister Denys Shmyhal on a video call asked him a series of questions which “got wilder and wilder so I ended the call”.

    One line of inquiry is that the call was orchestrated by Russian intelligence as an attempt to extract sensitive information from Wallace or as an attempt to embarrass him.

    Wallace, a former Scots Guards who was in Poland at the time, ordered an immediate inquiry to find out how the impostor was able to speak to him. It is understood the call lasted less than ten minutes.

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/impostor-tries-to-dupe-defence-secretary-35rqqkbjw

    Pritl says it happened to her too.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 63,992
    OMFG she did it. The not-at-all-drunk, totally compos mentis Pelosi read out a poem by Bono "for Ukraine". Then she giggled

    There is not enough cringe in the world to cover this

    https://twitter.com/TPostMillennial/status/1504525471572189186?s=20&t=kbEeOhl4o5qZ3aQ2AxNSQg
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 52,593
    edited March 2022
    kinabalu said:

    Yep, good bet imo. Sadly. Been saying so for a long time too tbf to me.

    Then we’re truly back in the 1980s when all sensible people spent their time bemoaning the travesty that was the Thatcher government and saw her losing every midterm electoral contest that came along, only to spend GE night in despair as our crooked voting system delivered her another five (usually four) years in office.

    Except without the consolidation of the ground-breaking music.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,653
    TheWhiteRabbit said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Have we done this?

    Ben Wallace, the defence secretary, has hit out at Russian “dirty tricks” after being targeted by an impostor posing as the Ukrainian prime minister.

    He told The Times that a man pretending to be prime minister Denys Shmyhal on a video call asked him a series of questions which “got wilder and wilder so I ended the call”.

    One line of inquiry is that the call was orchestrated by Russian intelligence as an attempt to extract sensitive information from Wallace or as an attempt to embarrass him.

    Wallace, a former Scots Guards who was in Poland at the time, ordered an immediate inquiry to find out how the impostor was able to speak to him. It is understood the call lasted less than ten minutes.

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/impostor-tries-to-dupe-defence-secretary-35rqqkbjw

    No, but I don't think it's that outrageous that they were able to speak to him.

    What he said, on the other hand...
    not too bright if he got 10 minutes out of him. WTF did he talked to some looney about for nearly ten minutes before discovering he was a fake. Shows the calibre of donkey we have in Westminster.
  • ozymandiasozymandias Posts: 1,518
    Chris said:

    I realise the BBC thinks this war is entering its third week, but those of us who successfully learned arithmetic at school know that it's entering its fourth.

    So do people think history will view this as one of Vladimir Putin's cleverer decisions?

    Or not?

    He's certainly destroying future scrap metal prices that's for sure.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 66,350
    edited March 2022
    IanB2 said:

    kinabalu said:

    Yep, good bet imo. Sadly. Been saying so for a long time too tbf to me.

    Then we’re truly back in the 1980s when all sensible people spent their time bemoaning the travesty that was the Thatcher government and saw her losing every midterm electoral contest that came along, only to spend GE night in despair as our crooked voting system delivered her another five (usually four) years in office.

    Except without the consolidation of the ground-breaking music.
    The voting system has elected labour governments and may well in 2024

    The problem many have, as in the referendum, is that they do not make a winning case then complain
  • MaffewMaffew Posts: 236
    TheWhiteRabbit said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Have we done this?

    Ben Wallace, the defence secretary, has hit out at Russian “dirty tricks” after being targeted by an impostor posing as the Ukrainian prime minister.

    He told The Times that a man pretending to be prime minister Denys Shmyhal on a video call asked him a series of questions which “got wilder and wilder so I ended the call”.

    One line of inquiry is that the call was orchestrated by Russian intelligence as an attempt to extract sensitive information from Wallace or as an attempt to embarrass him.

    Wallace, a former Scots Guards who was in Poland at the time, ordered an immediate inquiry to find out how the impostor was able to speak to him. It is understood the call lasted less than ten minutes.

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/impostor-tries-to-dupe-defence-secretary-35rqqkbjw

    No, but I don't think it's that outrageous that they were able to speak to him.

    What he said, on the other hand...
    If the questions were getting "wilder and wilder" it almost makes me wonder if it was just a prank call. I'm reminded of a call from some Quebecois comedians to Sarah Palin pretending to be President Sarkozy, which included lines (in an outrageous French accent such as "We really liked that documentary on your life, Nailin' Palin, it was... edgy." and the French equivalent to Joe the Plumber being "Jean with a baguette under his arm."
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,824
    edited March 2022
    I don’t think Boris is going anywhere. I also think he has a far higher chance of winning the next election than many others on here think. However, for the sorts of odds available, I think there are better places to put my money.
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 5,175
    Big_G_NorthWales said:


    Flatlander said:


    This P&O thing is so extreme that it almost looks like enemy action designed to cause chaos.

    How much Russian influence is there in Dubai?

    I have never seen a more shocking video then the one from the boss of P & O to their staff

    Arrogance and appalling lack of sympathy

    He instantly made himself the most despised employer in the UK

    I cannot believe he can get away with this
    No. Surely he can't.

    Call me a conspiracy theorist but:
    http://web.archive.org/web/20220223155341/https://rdif.ru/Eng_fullNews/1599/
    https://www.dpworld.com/news/releases/dp-world-and-rosatom-sign-agreement-for-northern-transit-corridor/

    Yes, it is a global company that is bound to have to deal with all sorts, but still...

    I hope someone has vetted the replacement staff.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    IanB2 said:

    kinabalu said:

    Yep, good bet imo. Sadly. Been saying so for a long time too tbf to me.

    Then we’re truly back in the 1980s when all sensible people spent their time bemoaning the travesty that was the Thatcher government and saw her losing every midterm electoral contest that came along, only to spend GE night in despair as our crooked voting system delivered her another five (usually four) years in office.

    Except without the consolidation of the ground-breaking music.
    Those pesky electors, hey?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 63,992
    edited March 2022
    The clip of Pelosi reading Bono's "poem" is - in all honesty - possibly the most excruciatingly embarrassing thing I have ever seen


    Maybe the West is finished. Come Vlad, wipe us out
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,824
    malcolmg said:

    TheWhiteRabbit said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Have we done this?

    Ben Wallace, the defence secretary, has hit out at Russian “dirty tricks” after being targeted by an impostor posing as the Ukrainian prime minister.

    He told The Times that a man pretending to be prime minister Denys Shmyhal on a video call asked him a series of questions which “got wilder and wilder so I ended the call”.

    One line of inquiry is that the call was orchestrated by Russian intelligence as an attempt to extract sensitive information from Wallace or as an attempt to embarrass him.

    Wallace, a former Scots Guards who was in Poland at the time, ordered an immediate inquiry to find out how the impostor was able to speak to him. It is understood the call lasted less than ten minutes.

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/impostor-tries-to-dupe-defence-secretary-35rqqkbjw

    No, but I don't think it's that outrageous that they were able to speak to him.

    What he said, on the other hand...
    not too bright if he got 10 minutes out of him. WTF did he talked to some looney about for nearly ten minutes before discovering he was a fake. Shows the calibre of donkey we have in Westminster.
    To be fair, Macron’s been stuck on the phone with a looney for hours and hours in the last few weeks; and he actually is Russian President.
  • ChrisChris Posts: 12,091
    ozymandias said:

    Chris said:

    I realise the BBC thinks this war is entering its third week, but those of us who successfully learned arithmetic at school know that it's entering its fourth.

    So do people think history will view this as one of Vladimir Putin's cleverer decisions?

    Or not?

    He's certainly destroying future scrap metal prices that's for sure.
    You're telling me he has the undying anger of the British Metals Recycling Association to worry about on top of everything else?
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 52,593
    Vote shares in 46 council by-elections in Eng, Scot & Wales so far in 2022 (compared to last vote in each ward)

    CON 37%(-3)
    LIBD 28%(+10)
    LAB 19%(-4)
    GREEN 7%(=)
    IND/LOCAL 8%(-1)
    Others 2%(-2)

    Votes: 71,867(105,783)
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 10,556
    Leon said:

    OMFG she did it. The not-at-all-drunk, totally compos mentis Pelosi read out a poem by Bono "for Ukraine". Then she giggled

    There is not enough cringe in the world to cover this

    https://twitter.com/TPostMillennial/status/1504525471572189186?s=20&t=kbEeOhl4o5qZ3aQ2AxNSQg

    She mangled it, but it was a really shit bit of writing by Bono
  • ozymandiasozymandias Posts: 1,518
    edited March 2022
    Chris said:

    ozymandias said:

    Chris said:

    I realise the BBC thinks this war is entering its third week, but those of us who successfully learned arithmetic at school know that it's entering its fourth.

    So do people think history will view this as one of Vladimir Putin's cleverer decisions?

    Or not?

    He's certainly destroying future scrap metal prices that's for sure.
    You're telling me he has the undying anger of the British Metals Recycling Association to worry about on top of everything else?
    They're the people you really don't want on your back. I can't say any more....
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 52,593
    biggles said:

    I don’t think Boris is going anywhere. I also think he has a far higher chance of winning the next election than many others on here think. However, for the sorts of odds available, I think there are better places to put my money.

    So your contention is that the average punter is currently wiser than the average PB’er?
  • sladeslade Posts: 2,208
    Aslan said:

    I actually really like getting my passport stamped when going on a multicountry trip. Makes my passport look a lot more colorful and interesting.

    I used to love it when the official tried so hard to find an undefiled page.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 16,721
    Foxy said:

    I see the workers are finding out what global buccaneering Britain is all about, and why they need a decent union.

    Weasel words from No 10 too saying how terrible it is blah blah blah but doing SFA to stop it.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 56,314
    Leon said:

    OMFG she did it. The not-at-all-drunk, totally compos mentis Pelosi read out a poem by Bono "for Ukraine". Then she giggled

    There is not enough cringe in the world to cover this

    https://twitter.com/TPostMillennial/status/1504525471572189186?s=20&t=kbEeOhl4o5qZ3aQ2AxNSQg

    "Bono has been a very Irish part of our lives"
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    Leon said:

    The clip of Pelosi reading Bono's "poem" is - in all honesty - possibly the most excruciatingly embarrassing thing I have ever seen


    Maybe the West is finished. Come Vlad, wipe us out

    It puts to bed the debate about whether the old fucks should be knocked on the head at 75, if nothing else.

    Top tip: never read out a "poem" written by a lyricist. That would probably sound OK-ish as a U2 stadium anthem, which is probably what Bono was hearing in his head when he wrote it.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 6,779
    Foxy said:

    I see the workers are finding out what global buccaneering Britain is all about, and why they need a decent union.

    Does anyone know the details of Labour’s anti-fire-rehire bill? Would it have prevented this particular action?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 52,551
    Nice equaliser by Leicester in a gripping fixture.

    To Albania we're on our way...
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 10,556
    slade said:

    Aslan said:

    I actually really like getting my passport stamped when going on a multicountry trip. Makes my passport look a lot more colorful and interesting.

    I used to love it when the official tried so hard to find an undefiled page.
    The Scandinavians line theirs up neatly so you can get 4 or 6 stamps to a page.

    The French defiantly put theirs in the middle of a page occupying all the real estate in a really unhelpful manner
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 19,798
    Foxy said:

    I see the workers are finding out what global buccaneering Britain is all about, and why they need a decent union.

    Would being in the EU have made any difference though? Happy to be shown I’m wrong about that.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 6,779
    turbotubbs said:

    Foxy said:

    I see the workers are finding out what global buccaneering Britain is all about, and why they need a decent union.

    Would being in the EU have made any difference though? Happy to be shown I’m wrong about that.
    I took Foxy to mean trade union…
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    williamglenn said:

    Leon said:

    OMFG she did it. The not-at-all-drunk, totally compos mentis Pelosi read out a poem by Bono "for Ukraine". Then she giggled

    There is not enough cringe in the world to cover this

    https://twitter.com/TPostMillennial/status/1504525471572189186?s=20&t=kbEeOhl4o5qZ3aQ2AxNSQg

    "Bono has been a very Irish part of our lives"
    Love the way the fat baldy completely ignores her in favour of stuffing his face. Also up for debate: Pelosi's hair - dye or wig?
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 66,350
    OnlyLivingBoy said:

    Foxy said:

    I see the workers are finding out what global buccaneering Britain is all about, and why they need a decent union.

    Weasel words from No 10 too saying how terrible it is blah blah blah but doing SFA to stop it.
    Nobody knew anything about it until this morning

    It is utterly wrong and it was good to see that across the HOC there was total condemnation and a desire to work across party lines to address this completely unacceptable position
  • LeonLeon Posts: 63,992
    StillWaters said:

    Leon said:

    OMFG she did it. The not-at-all-drunk, totally compos mentis Pelosi read out a poem by Bono "for Ukraine". Then she giggled

    There is not enough cringe in the world to cover this

    https://twitter.com/TPostMillennial/status/1504525471572189186?s=20&t=kbEeOhl4o5qZ3aQ2AxNSQg

    She mangled it, but it was a really shit bit of writing by Bono
    The C-Span report is brilliantly deadpan


    "Speaker Pelosi reads #StPatricksDay poem by Bono, which reads in part:

    "Ireland's sorrow and pain
    Is now the Ukraine
    And Saint Patrick's name now Zelenskyy."

    She then introduces Riverdance."

    https://twitter.com/Dougee273/status/1504529660318674957?s=20&t=zyaCHXlOFS6yKbeHlBiEqQ


    Twitter has EXPLODED with cringe
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,824
    IanB2 said:

    biggles said:

    I don’t think Boris is going anywhere. I also think he has a far higher chance of winning the next election than many others on here think. However, for the sorts of odds available, I think there are better places to put my money.

    So your contention is that the average punter is currently wiser than the average PB’er?
    Sort of. My contention is that this site has a blind spot for Boris, probably because those who post here are a self selecting sample who think a bit more deeply about things than the general public. I would, however, also guess that that market is pretty well correlated with folk betting on wish fulfilment too.

    My guess is based mostly on the polls (where I think he was mostly placed in the “undecided” dog house by people who were always going to vote for him again), but also just a sense of how many people seem to still see him.

    Oh, plus experience. All PMs seem to go through this “holed below the waterline” phase and they never actually get forced out.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 30,379
    carnforth said:

    Foxy said:

    I see the workers are finding out what global buccaneering Britain is all about, and why they need a decent union.

    Does anyone know the details of Labour’s anti-fire-rehire bill? Would it have prevented this particular action?
    Not really relevant. This isn't fire and re-hire.
    Just fire.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,653
    Foxy said:

    I see the workers are finding out what global buccaneering Britain is all about, and why they need a decent union.

    Yep , they are getting their brexit bonuses for sure
  • ChrisChris Posts: 12,091
    ozymandias said:

    Chris said:

    ozymandias said:

    Chris said:

    I realise the BBC thinks this war is entering its third week, but those of us who successfully learned arithmetic at school know that it's entering its fourth.

    So do people think history will view this as one of Vladimir Putin's cleverer decisions?

    Or not?

    He's certainly destroying future scrap metal prices that's for sure.
    You're telling me he has the undying anger of the British Metals Recycling Association to worry about on top of everything else?
    They're the people you really don't want on your back. I can't say any more....
    It's sounds almost like the plot of a Guy Ritchie film. It begins in Kyiv. It ends somewhere south of the river ...
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 6,779
    dixiedean said:

    carnforth said:

    Foxy said:

    I see the workers are finding out what global buccaneering Britain is all about, and why they need a decent union.

    Does anyone know the details of Labour’s anti-fire-rehire bill? Would it have prevented this particular action?
    Not really relevant. This isn't fire and re-hire.
    Just fire.
    dixiedean said:

    carnforth said:

    Foxy said:

    I see the workers are finding out what global buccaneering Britain is all about, and why they need a decent union.

    Does anyone know the details of Labour’s anti-fire-rehire bill? Would it have prevented this particular action?
    Not really relevant. This isn't fire and re-hire.
    Just fire.
    They have been invited to apply for jobs with the new agency, but I take your point.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,653
    edited March 2022
    IshmaelZ said:

    williamglenn said:

    Leon said:

    OMFG she did it. The not-at-all-drunk, totally compos mentis Pelosi read out a poem by Bono "for Ukraine". Then she giggled

    There is not enough cringe in the world to cover this

    https://twitter.com/TPostMillennial/status/1504525471572189186?s=20&t=kbEeOhl4o5qZ3aQ2AxNSQg

    "Bono has been a very Irish part of our lives"
    Love the way the fat baldy completely ignores her in favour of stuffing his face. Also up for debate: Pelosi's hair - dye or wig?
    Probably both and dodgy, given the cash she has surely she could get a good one
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,959
    Chris said:

    I realise the BBC thinks this war is entering its third week, but those of us who successfully learned arithmetic at school know that it's entering its fourth.

    Ninth year. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russo-Ukrainian_War?wprov=sfla1
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 52,551
    biggles said:

    IanB2 said:

    biggles said:

    I don’t think Boris is going anywhere. I also think he has a far higher chance of winning the next election than many others on here think. However, for the sorts of odds available, I think there are better places to put my money.

    So your contention is that the average punter is currently wiser than the average PB’er?
    Sort of. My contention is that this site has a blind spot for Boris, probably because those who post here are a self selecting sample who think a bit more deeply about things than the general public. I would, however, also guess that that market is pretty well correlated with folk betting on wish fulfilment too.

    My guess is based mostly on the polls (where I think he was mostly placed in the “undecided” dog house by people who were always going to vote for him again), but also just a sense of how many people seem to still see him.

    Oh, plus experience. All PMs seem to go through this “holed below the waterline” phase and they never actually get forced out.
    The problem is more that reversing an 80 seat majority is generally a 2 election job. Johnson is a charleton, but one sitting on a large cushion.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,653
    IshmaelZ said:

    Leon said:

    The clip of Pelosi reading Bono's "poem" is - in all honesty - possibly the most excruciatingly embarrassing thing I have ever seen


    Maybe the West is finished. Come Vlad, wipe us out

    It puts to bed the debate about whether the old fucks should be knocked on the head at 75, if nothing else.

    Top tip: never read out a "poem" written by a lyricist. That would probably sound OK-ish as a U2 stadium anthem, which is probably what Bono was hearing in his head when he wrote it.
    Bono is a bonehead who thinks he is smart but is actually as thick as pig shit.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,653
    OnlyLivingBoy said:

    Foxy said:

    I see the workers are finding out what global buccaneering Britain is all about, and why they need a decent union.

    Weasel words from No 10 too saying how terrible it is blah blah blah but doing SFA to stop it.
    Global Britain it is in their blueprint
  • LeonLeon Posts: 63,992
    IshmaelZ said:

    williamglenn said:

    Leon said:

    OMFG she did it. The not-at-all-drunk, totally compos mentis Pelosi read out a poem by Bono "for Ukraine". Then she giggled

    There is not enough cringe in the world to cover this

    https://twitter.com/TPostMillennial/status/1504525471572189186?s=20&t=kbEeOhl4o5qZ3aQ2AxNSQg

    "Bono has been a very Irish part of our lives"
    Love the way the fat baldy completely ignores her in favour of stuffing his face. Also up for debate: Pelosi's hair - dye or wig?
    Did you get the urge to leap forward and rip the poem from her hands, before she started reading? I did, and I'm 10,000 miles away and watching it on Twitter

    How come no one told her This isn't such a great idea?
  • BurgessianBurgessian Posts: 3,100
    Leon said:

    StillWaters said:

    Leon said:

    OMFG she did it. The not-at-all-drunk, totally compos mentis Pelosi read out a poem by Bono "for Ukraine". Then she giggled

    There is not enough cringe in the world to cover this

    https://twitter.com/TPostMillennial/status/1504525471572189186?s=20&t=kbEeOhl4o5qZ3aQ2AxNSQg

    She mangled it, but it was a really shit bit of writing by Bono
    The C-Span report is brilliantly deadpan


    "Speaker Pelosi reads #StPatricksDay poem by Bono, which reads in part:

    "Ireland's sorrow and pain
    Is now the Ukraine
    And Saint Patrick's name now Zelenskyy."

    She then introduces Riverdance."

    https://twitter.com/Dougee273/status/1504529660318674957?s=20&t=zyaCHXlOFS6yKbeHlBiEqQ


    Twitter has EXPLODED with cringe
    For every Arnie there's a Bono-Pelosi.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 66,350
    Leon said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    williamglenn said:

    Leon said:

    OMFG she did it. The not-at-all-drunk, totally compos mentis Pelosi read out a poem by Bono "for Ukraine". Then she giggled

    There is not enough cringe in the world to cover this

    https://twitter.com/TPostMillennial/status/1504525471572189186?s=20&t=kbEeOhl4o5qZ3aQ2AxNSQg

    "Bono has been a very Irish part of our lives"
    Love the way the fat baldy completely ignores her in favour of stuffing his face. Also up for debate: Pelosi's hair - dye or wig?
    Did you get the urge to leap forward and rip the poem from her hands, before she started reading? I did, and I'm 10,000 miles away and watching it on Twitter

    How come no one told her This isn't such a great idea?
    What has happened to the US

    So embarrassing
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    Chris said:

    ozymandias said:

    Chris said:

    ozymandias said:

    Chris said:

    I realise the BBC thinks this war is entering its third week, but those of us who successfully learned arithmetic at school know that it's entering its fourth.

    So do people think history will view this as one of Vladimir Putin's cleverer decisions?

    Or not?

    He's certainly destroying future scrap metal prices that's for sure.
    You're telling me he has the undying anger of the British Metals Recycling Association to worry about on top of everything else?
    They're the people you really don't want on your back. I can't say any more....
    It's sounds almost like the plot of a Guy Ritchie film. It begins in Kyiv. It ends somewhere south of the river ...
    scrap iron/steel is not worth the bother, a tank's worth is prob about a fiver

    Mind you that would be in keeping with Ritchie. The flaw in LS&2SB is that those guns would be lucky to make £5k at auction
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 52,551
    carnforth said:

    turbotubbs said:

    Foxy said:

    I see the workers are finding out what global buccaneering Britain is all about, and why they need a decent union.

    Would being in the EU have made any difference though? Happy to be shown I’m wrong about that.
    I took Foxy to mean trade union…
    Correct.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,824
    Foxy said:

    biggles said:

    IanB2 said:

    biggles said:

    I don’t think Boris is going anywhere. I also think he has a far higher chance of winning the next election than many others on here think. However, for the sorts of odds available, I think there are better places to put my money.

    So your contention is that the average punter is currently wiser than the average PB’er?
    Sort of. My contention is that this site has a blind spot for Boris, probably because those who post here are a self selecting sample who think a bit more deeply about things than the general public. I would, however, also guess that that market is pretty well correlated with folk betting on wish fulfilment too.

    My guess is based mostly on the polls (where I think he was mostly placed in the “undecided” dog house by people who were always going to vote for him again), but also just a sense of how many people seem to still see him.

    Oh, plus experience. All PMs seem to go through this “holed below the waterline” phase and they never actually get forced out.
    The problem is more that reversing an 80 seat majority is generally a 2 election job. Johnson is a charleton, but one sitting on a large cushion.
    Yes that too. Things have never happened before until they do, but all the electoral maths makes it look like a hell of a task for Starmer. Especially if he wants a Premiership where he doesn’t have to keep three or four parties on side.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,254
    Leon said:

    StillWaters said:

    Leon said:

    OMFG she did it. The not-at-all-drunk, totally compos mentis Pelosi read out a poem by Bono "for Ukraine". Then she giggled

    There is not enough cringe in the world to cover this

    https://twitter.com/TPostMillennial/status/1504525471572189186?s=20&t=kbEeOhl4o5qZ3aQ2AxNSQg

    She mangled it, but it was a really shit bit of writing by Bono
    The C-Span report is brilliantly deadpan


    "Speaker Pelosi reads #StPatricksDay poem by Bono, which reads in part:

    "Ireland's sorrow and pain
    Is now the Ukraine
    And Saint Patrick's name now Zelenskyy."

    She then introduces Riverdance."

    https://twitter.com/Dougee273/status/1504529660318674957?s=20&t=zyaCHXlOFS6yKbeHlBiEqQ


    Twitter has EXPLODED with cringe
    Dublin just got added to Putin's first strike list.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 80,065
    This lady was in the Mariupol theatre when orcs dropped two massive bombs on it. “How many people were there?” “Around 800, maybe 100 got out, that’s it.” “Everyone else is under the rubble?” “Yeah, the main impact was on the stage, there were very many people underneath”
    https://mobile.twitter.com/juliaskripkaser/status/1504523793817116685
  • darkagedarkage Posts: 5,398
    FPT
    Regarding Ukraine: is there a change in tone from China?
    IE: this from Chinese state sponsored media: "Russian troops have killed at least 10 civilians standing in line for bread in Chernihiv, a city in northern Ukraine, according to a Ukrainian public broadcaster and the U.S. Embassy in Kyiv".

    https://twitter.com/cgtnamerica/status/1504510377446543362
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    Foxy said:

    carnforth said:

    turbotubbs said:

    Foxy said:

    I see the workers are finding out what global buccaneering Britain is all about, and why they need a decent union.

    Would being in the EU have made any difference though? Happy to be shown I’m wrong about that.
    I took Foxy to mean trade union…
    Correct.
    Well yebbut "global buccaneering Britain" is an implied ref to EU membership, no?
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,959
    Aslan said:

    I actually really like getting my passport stamped when going on a multicountry trip. Makes my passport look a lot more colorful and interesting.

    Haven't risked a multi-country trip since Covid, too many border rules (although I did do Spain-Gibraltar in October, you could cross at La Linea without a test whereas flying into Bib would have required a PCR.

    I was going to spend 3 weeks in Russia in September but that's obviously not happening, unless they have a revolution and we're friends again. Uzbekistan is on the list but might be on Uncle Vova's too. Might have to do SE Asia for the first time in which case I have a train itinerary of Thailand, Laos and Malaysia in mind.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 56,314
    darkage said:

    FPT
    Regarding Ukraine: is there a change in tone from China?
    IE: this from Chinese state sponsored media: "Russian troops have killed at least 10 civilians standing in line for bread in Chernihiv, a city in northern Ukraine, according to a Ukrainian public broadcaster and the U.S. Embassy in Kyiv".

    https://twitter.com/cgtnamerica/status/1504510377446543362

    They've also reported in a neutral way on Blinken saying that they are investigating Russian war crimes.

    https://twitter.com/cgtnamerica/status/1504524180091547665
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 6,779
    IshmaelZ said:

    Foxy said:

    carnforth said:

    turbotubbs said:

    Foxy said:

    I see the workers are finding out what global buccaneering Britain is all about, and why they need a decent union.

    Would being in the EU have made any difference though? Happy to be shown I’m wrong about that.
    I took Foxy to mean trade union…
    Correct.
    Well yebbut "global buccaneering Britain" is an implied ref to EU membership, no?
    Yup. But I assumed he would not be shy of stating it explicitly, if he meant it.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 63,992
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Leon said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    williamglenn said:

    Leon said:

    OMFG she did it. The not-at-all-drunk, totally compos mentis Pelosi read out a poem by Bono "for Ukraine". Then she giggled

    There is not enough cringe in the world to cover this

    https://twitter.com/TPostMillennial/status/1504525471572189186?s=20&t=kbEeOhl4o5qZ3aQ2AxNSQg

    "Bono has been a very Irish part of our lives"
    Love the way the fat baldy completely ignores her in favour of stuffing his face. Also up for debate: Pelosi's hair - dye or wig?
    Did you get the urge to leap forward and rip the poem from her hands, before she started reading? I did, and I'm 10,000 miles away and watching it on Twitter

    How come no one told her This isn't such a great idea?
    What has happened to the US

    So embarrassing
    It does feel like the whole country is dysfunctional from the top down. Trump seems less like a hideous anomaly - they've now got Biden, Harris and Pelosi. Either demented or stupid

    As you say: embarrassing
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 19,798
    Foxy said:

    carnforth said:

    turbotubbs said:

    Foxy said:

    I see the workers are finding out what global buccaneering Britain is all about, and why they need a decent union.

    Would being in the EU have made any difference though? Happy to be shown I’m wrong about that.
    I took Foxy to mean trade union…
    Correct.
    I was more commenting on the global buccaneering Britain bit, but yes I hope the union can achieve a decent result. Also hope the public treat p and with the disdain it deserves right now.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 16,721
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    OnlyLivingBoy said:

    Foxy said:

    I see the workers are finding out what global buccaneering Britain is all about, and why they need a decent union.

    Weasel words from No 10 too saying how terrible it is blah blah blah but doing SFA to stop it.
    Nobody knew anything about it until this morning

    It is utterly wrong and it was good to see that across the HOC there was total condemnation and a desire to work across party lines to address this completely unacceptable position
    Only one party has proposed actual policies to prevent stuff like this from happening. It isn't the Tories.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    williamglenn said:

    darkage said:

    FPT
    Regarding Ukraine: is there a change in tone from China?
    IE: this from Chinese state sponsored media: "Russian troops have killed at least 10 civilians standing in line for bread in Chernihiv, a city in northern Ukraine, according to a Ukrainian public broadcaster and the U.S. Embassy in Kyiv".

    https://twitter.com/cgtnamerica/status/1504510377446543362

    They've also reported in a neutral way on Blinken saying that they are investigating Russian war crimes.

    https://twitter.com/cgtnamerica/status/1504524180091547665
    On the one hand, good

    On the other, I feel worryingly like a child who has learned that the grown ups are on his side.
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,959
    Nigelb said:

    This lady was in the Mariupol theatre when orcs dropped two massive bombs on it. “How many people were there?” “Around 800, maybe 100 got out, that’s it.” “Everyone else is under the rubble?” “Yeah, the main impact was on the stage, there were very many people underneath”
    https://mobile.twitter.com/juliaskripkaser/status/1504523793817116685

    Orcs? Is Putin Sauron himself, or just the Witch King?
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,824
    Leon said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Leon said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    williamglenn said:

    Leon said:

    OMFG she did it. The not-at-all-drunk, totally compos mentis Pelosi read out a poem by Bono "for Ukraine". Then she giggled

    There is not enough cringe in the world to cover this

    https://twitter.com/TPostMillennial/status/1504525471572189186?s=20&t=kbEeOhl4o5qZ3aQ2AxNSQg

    "Bono has been a very Irish part of our lives"
    Love the way the fat baldy completely ignores her in favour of stuffing his face. Also up for debate: Pelosi's hair - dye or wig?
    Did you get the urge to leap forward and rip the poem from her hands, before she started reading? I did, and I'm 10,000 miles away and watching it on Twitter

    How come no one told her This isn't such a great idea?
    What has happened to the US

    So embarrassing
    It does feel like the whole country is dysfunctional from the top down. Trump seems less like a hideous anomaly - they've now got Biden, Harris and Pelosi. Either demented or stupid

    As you say: embarrassing
    To make it worse, I don’t even see a competent second rank ready to push through and take over. Though I appreciate I just might not see them if I’m not living over there.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 80,065
    The guys keeping track of photographically confirmed losses of equipment are nearing 1500 items for Russia, and have a “very large backlog” of images to assess.
    https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/02/attack-on-europe-documenting-equipment.html
  • Gary_BurtonGary_Burton Posts: 737
    edited March 2022
    Foxy said:

    biggles said:

    IanB2 said:

    biggles said:

    I don’t think Boris is going anywhere. I also think he has a far higher chance of winning the next election than many others on here think. However, for the sorts of odds available, I think there are better places to put my money.

    So your contention is that the average punter is currently wiser than the average PB’er?
    Sort of. My contention is that this site has a blind spot for Boris, probably because those who post here are a self selecting sample who think a bit more deeply about things than the general public. I would, however, also guess that that market is pretty well correlated with folk betting on wish fulfilment too.

    My guess is based mostly on the polls (where I think he was mostly placed in the “undecided” dog house by people who were always going to vote for him again), but also just a sense of how many people seem to still see him.

    Oh, plus experience. All PMs seem to go through this “holed below the waterline” phase and they never actually get forced out.
    The problem is more that reversing an 80 seat majority is generally a 2 election job. Johnson is a charleton, but one sitting on a large cushion.
    I don't know about this (at least in terms of the Tories losing their majority). Even if Starmer is a dud I can see Labour gaining about 40 seats and quite easily see the LDs gaining up to 10 seats as well even allowing for LD underperformance. 2019 was also a strange election and the Tory vote is likely to be less solid than in 1992 even if a bunch of Tory voters merely abstain. I agree it's more a leap Labour going in to gvt from a Tory majority of 80 but thinking Starmer should gain around 60 seats from the Tories is a reasonable benchmark as of now.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    Leon said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    williamglenn said:

    Leon said:

    OMFG she did it. The not-at-all-drunk, totally compos mentis Pelosi read out a poem by Bono "for Ukraine". Then she giggled

    There is not enough cringe in the world to cover this

    https://twitter.com/TPostMillennial/status/1504525471572189186?s=20&t=kbEeOhl4o5qZ3aQ2AxNSQg

    "Bono has been a very Irish part of our lives"
    Love the way the fat baldy completely ignores her in favour of stuffing his face. Also up for debate: Pelosi's hair - dye or wig?
    Did you get the urge to leap forward and rip the poem from her hands, before she started reading? I did, and I'm 10,000 miles away and watching it on Twitter

    How come no one told her This isn't such a great idea?
    My entirely non-demented 90 y.o. aunt told me a week or so ago that the greatest benefit of getting old, is not giving a toss what anyone thinks. If you *are* demented and also think that, Pelosi is what you end up as. Not great.
  • ApplicantApplicant Posts: 3,379
    OnlyLivingBoy said:

    Foxy said:

    I see the workers are finding out what global buccaneering Britain is all about, and why they need a decent union.

    Weasel words from No 10 too saying how terrible it is blah blah blah but doing SFA to stop it.
    If it's illegal, they don't need to do anything to stop it other than have a word with the appropriate regulator.

    If it's not illegal, they can't do anything to stop it. Rule of law.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 52,551
    IshmaelZ said:

    Foxy said:

    carnforth said:

    turbotubbs said:

    Foxy said:

    I see the workers are finding out what global buccaneering Britain is all about, and why they need a decent union.

    Would being in the EU have made any difference though? Happy to be shown I’m wrong about that.
    I took Foxy to mean trade union…
    Correct.
    Well yebbut "global buccaneering Britain" is an implied ref to EU membership, no?
    No, it is the style of Brexit. There are others, that actually do protect the workers and farmers rather than shaft them for a quick buck.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 15,061
    JohnLilburne said:

    Aslan said:

    I actually really like getting my passport stamped when going on a multicountry trip. Makes my passport look a lot more colorful and interesting.

    Haven't risked a multi-country trip since Covid, too many border rules (although I did do Spain-Gibraltar in October, you could cross at La Linea without a test whereas flying into Bib would have required a PCR.

    I was going to spend 3 weeks in Russia in September but that's obviously not happening, unless they have a revolution and we're friends again. Uzbekistan is on the list but might be on Uncle Vova's too. Might have to do SE Asia for the first time in which case I have a train itinerary of Thailand, Laos and Malaysia in mind.
    Mrs Stodge and I are looking forward to getting back to Vegas later in the year - a few new hotels and a lot f new restaurants on the Strip and Downtown.

    I'll be putting the winnings from the Stodge Saturday Patent into our accommodation - so that'll be one bijou storm drain for two.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 19,798
    Foxy said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Foxy said:

    carnforth said:

    turbotubbs said:

    Foxy said:

    I see the workers are finding out what global buccaneering Britain is all about, and why they need a decent union.

    Would being in the EU have made any difference though? Happy to be shown I’m wrong about that.
    I took Foxy to mean trade union…
    Correct.
    Well yebbut "global buccaneering Britain" is an implied ref to EU membership, no?
    No, it is the style of Brexit. There are others, that actually do protect the workers and farmers rather than shaft them for a quick buck.
    Would being in the EU have made a difference?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 63,992
    IshmaelZ said:

    Leon said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    williamglenn said:

    Leon said:

    OMFG she did it. The not-at-all-drunk, totally compos mentis Pelosi read out a poem by Bono "for Ukraine". Then she giggled

    There is not enough cringe in the world to cover this

    https://twitter.com/TPostMillennial/status/1504525471572189186?s=20&t=kbEeOhl4o5qZ3aQ2AxNSQg

    "Bono has been a very Irish part of our lives"
    Love the way the fat baldy completely ignores her in favour of stuffing his face. Also up for debate: Pelosi's hair - dye or wig?
    Did you get the urge to leap forward and rip the poem from her hands, before she started reading? I did, and I'm 10,000 miles away and watching it on Twitter

    How come no one told her This isn't such a great idea?
    My entirely non-demented 90 y.o. aunt told me a week or so ago that the greatest benefit of getting old, is not giving a toss what anyone thinks. If you *are* demented and also think that, Pelosi is what you end up as. Not great.
    Yes, I don't think there is now any question mark over Pelosi being "just a bit forgetful"

    She's proper batshit crazy. And she is third in the American chain-of-command, behind the stammering Biden and the giggling Harris

    With Trump waiting for his second chance

    God Help Us All, this is the nation that leads the West
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,653
    turbotubbs said:

    Foxy said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Foxy said:

    carnforth said:

    turbotubbs said:

    Foxy said:

    I see the workers are finding out what global buccaneering Britain is all about, and why they need a decent union.

    Would being in the EU have made any difference though? Happy to be shown I’m wrong about that.
    I took Foxy to mean trade union…
    Correct.
    Well yebbut "global buccaneering Britain" is an implied ref to EU membership, no?
    No, it is the style of Brexit. There are others, that actually do protect the workers and farmers rather than shaft them for a quick buck.
    Would being in the EU have made a difference?
    It does for most if not all countries in EU
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 19,798
    malcolmg said:

    turbotubbs said:

    Foxy said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Foxy said:

    carnforth said:

    turbotubbs said:

    Foxy said:

    I see the workers are finding out what global buccaneering Britain is all about, and why they need a decent union.

    Would being in the EU have made any difference though? Happy to be shown I’m wrong about that.
    I took Foxy to mean trade union…
    Correct.
    Well yebbut "global buccaneering Britain" is an implied ref to EU membership, no?
    No, it is the style of Brexit. There are others, that actually do protect the workers and farmers rather than shaft them for a quick buck.
    Would being in the EU have made a difference?
    It does for most if not all countries in EU
    How? What specifically would prevent it that doesn’t for us now?
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 32,252
    malcolmg said:

    TheWhiteRabbit said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Have we done this?

    Ben Wallace, the defence secretary, has hit out at Russian “dirty tricks” after being targeted by an impostor posing as the Ukrainian prime minister.

    He told The Times that a man pretending to be prime minister Denys Shmyhal on a video call asked him a series of questions which “got wilder and wilder so I ended the call”.

    One line of inquiry is that the call was orchestrated by Russian intelligence as an attempt to extract sensitive information from Wallace or as an attempt to embarrass him.

    Wallace, a former Scots Guards who was in Poland at the time, ordered an immediate inquiry to find out how the impostor was able to speak to him. It is understood the call lasted less than ten minutes.

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/impostor-tries-to-dupe-defence-secretary-35rqqkbjw

    No, but I don't think it's that outrageous that they were able to speak to him.

    What he said, on the other hand...
    not too bright if he got 10 minutes out of him. WTF did he talked to some looney about for nearly ten minutes before discovering he was a fake. Shows the calibre of donkey we have in Westminster.
    If the Defence Secretary was fooled for 10 minutes, he should try and palm off the blame on some low grade civil service phone operator. More seriously, it shows how easy it is to be scammed.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 44,645
    malcolmg said:

    TheWhiteRabbit said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Have we done this?

    Ben Wallace, the defence secretary, has hit out at Russian “dirty tricks” after being targeted by an impostor posing as the Ukrainian prime minister.

    He told The Times that a man pretending to be prime minister Denys Shmyhal on a video call asked him a series of questions which “got wilder and wilder so I ended the call”.

    One line of inquiry is that the call was orchestrated by Russian intelligence as an attempt to extract sensitive information from Wallace or as an attempt to embarrass him.

    Wallace, a former Scots Guards who was in Poland at the time, ordered an immediate inquiry to find out how the impostor was able to speak to him. It is understood the call lasted less than ten minutes.

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/impostor-tries-to-dupe-defence-secretary-35rqqkbjw

    No, but I don't think it's that outrageous that they were able to speak to him.

    What he said, on the other hand...
    not too bright if he got 10 minutes out of him. WTF did he talked to some looney about for nearly ten minutes before discovering he was a fake. Shows the calibre of donkey we have in Westminster.
    That’s a future leader of Tory party/PM you’re talking about.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 52,551
    turbotubbs said:

    Foxy said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Foxy said:

    carnforth said:

    turbotubbs said:

    Foxy said:

    I see the workers are finding out what global buccaneering Britain is all about, and why they need a decent union.

    Would being in the EU have made any difference though? Happy to be shown I’m wrong about that.
    I took Foxy to mean trade union…
    Correct.
    Well yebbut "global buccaneering Britain" is an implied ref to EU membership, no?
    No, it is the style of Brexit. There are others, that actually do protect the workers and farmers rather than shaft them for a quick buck.
    Would being in the EU have made a difference?
    I believe there would have been a compulsory consultation period. More important though is a government that believes protection of workers is not just red tape.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,435
    I am not sure what P&O has to do with Brexit.
  • mwadamsmwadams Posts: 3,776
    malcolmg said:

    TheWhiteRabbit said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Have we done this?

    Ben Wallace, the defence secretary, has hit out at Russian “dirty tricks” after being targeted by an impostor posing as the Ukrainian prime minister.

    He told The Times that a man pretending to be prime minister Denys Shmyhal on a video call asked him a series of questions which “got wilder and wilder so I ended the call”.

    One line of inquiry is that the call was orchestrated by Russian intelligence as an attempt to extract sensitive information from Wallace or as an attempt to embarrass him.

    Wallace, a former Scots Guards who was in Poland at the time, ordered an immediate inquiry to find out how the impostor was able to speak to him. It is understood the call lasted less than ten minutes.

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/impostor-tries-to-dupe-defence-secretary-35rqqkbjw

    No, but I don't think it's that outrageous that they were able to speak to him.

    What he said, on the other hand...
    not too bright if he got 10 minutes out of him. WTF did he talked to some looney about for nearly ten minutes before discovering he was a fake. Shows the calibre of donkey we have in Westminster.
    I am assuming you are used to your calls being scheduled by your office, and that it was also occurring through a "translator" at one end or the other. I don't think the Minister is to blame.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 19,798
    Foxy said:

    turbotubbs said:

    Foxy said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Foxy said:

    carnforth said:

    turbotubbs said:

    Foxy said:

    I see the workers are finding out what global buccaneering Britain is all about, and why they need a decent union.

    Would being in the EU have made any difference though? Happy to be shown I’m wrong about that.
    I took Foxy to mean trade union…
    Correct.
    Well yebbut "global buccaneering Britain" is an implied ref to EU membership, no?
    No, it is the style of Brexit. There are others, that actually do protect the workers and farmers rather than shaft them for a quick buck.
    Would being in the EU have made a difference?
    I believe there would have been a compulsory consultation period. More important though is a government that believes protection of workers is not just red tape.
    I think there still is, hence the ‘offer’ is 13 weeks pay in lieu of this.
    I hate what they are doing, but I don’t see evidence that the ability to do it is linked to Brexit. Happy to be shown I’m wrong, genuinely.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 52,551
    Leon said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Leon said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    williamglenn said:

    Leon said:

    OMFG she did it. The not-at-all-drunk, totally compos mentis Pelosi read out a poem by Bono "for Ukraine". Then she giggled

    There is not enough cringe in the world to cover this

    https://twitter.com/TPostMillennial/status/1504525471572189186?s=20&t=kbEeOhl4o5qZ3aQ2AxNSQg

    "Bono has been a very Irish part of our lives"
    Love the way the fat baldy completely ignores her in favour of stuffing his face. Also up for debate: Pelosi's hair - dye or wig?
    Did you get the urge to leap forward and rip the poem from her hands, before she started reading? I did, and I'm 10,000 miles away and watching it on Twitter

    How come no one told her This isn't such a great idea?
    My entirely non-demented 90 y.o. aunt told me a week or so ago that the greatest benefit of getting old, is not giving a toss what anyone thinks. If you *are* demented and also think that, Pelosi is what you end up as. Not great.
    Yes, I don't think there is now any question mark over Pelosi being "just a bit forgetful"

    She's proper batshit crazy. And she is third in the American chain-of-command, behind the stammering Biden and the giggling Harris

    With Trump waiting for his second chance

    God Help Us All, this is the nation that leads the West
    Isn't Zelensky the new leader of the free world?
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 25,043
    Foxy said:

    biggles said:

    IanB2 said:

    biggles said:

    I don’t think Boris is going anywhere. I also think he has a far higher chance of winning the next election than many others on here think. However, for the sorts of odds available, I think there are better places to put my money.

    So your contention is that the average punter is currently wiser than the average PB’er?
    Sort of. My contention is that this site has a blind spot for Boris, probably because those who post here are a self selecting sample who think a bit more deeply about things than the general public. I would, however, also guess that that market is pretty well correlated with folk betting on wish fulfilment too.

    My guess is based mostly on the polls (where I think he was mostly placed in the “undecided” dog house by people who were always going to vote for him again), but also just a sense of how many people seem to still see him.

    Oh, plus experience. All PMs seem to go through this “holed below the waterline” phase and they never actually get forced out.
    The problem is more that reversing an 80 seat majority is generally a 2 election job. Johnson is a charleton, but one sitting on a large cushion.
    Ah, now I get why he keepings making whoopies.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 19,798
    Gardenwalker said:

    I am not sure what P&O has to do with Brexit.

    Well I think nothing, but some are claiming it has allowed p and o to do something they couldn’t have done pre Brexit.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 66,350
    OnlyLivingBoy said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    OnlyLivingBoy said:

    Foxy said:

    I see the workers are finding out what global buccaneering Britain is all about, and why they need a decent union.

    Weasel words from No 10 too saying how terrible it is blah blah blah but doing SFA to stop it.
    Nobody knew anything about it until this morning

    It is utterly wrong and it was good to see that across the HOC there was total condemnation and a desire to work across party lines to address this completely unacceptable position
    Only one party has proposed actual policies to prevent stuff like this from happening. It isn't the Tories.
    From what I have heard banning hire and fire would not have worked

    I would also suggest that a hire and fire policy would see companies fail and the workforce lose their jobs anyway

    There is no easy answer but let's hope the parties acting together can find a way through
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 44,645
    Foxy said:

    carnforth said:

    turbotubbs said:

    Foxy said:

    I see the workers are finding out what global buccaneering Britain is all about, and why they need a decent union.

    Would being in the EU have made any difference though? Happy to be shown I’m wrong about that.
    I took Foxy to mean trade union…
    Correct.
    It’s all about Brexit for some folk.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 6,779
    Foxy said:

    turbotubbs said:

    Foxy said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Foxy said:

    carnforth said:

    turbotubbs said:

    Foxy said:

    I see the workers are finding out what global buccaneering Britain is all about, and why they need a decent union.

    Would being in the EU have made any difference though? Happy to be shown I’m wrong about that.
    I took Foxy to mean trade union…
    Correct.
    Well yebbut "global buccaneering Britain" is an implied ref to EU membership, no?
    No, it is the style of Brexit. There are others, that actually do protect the workers and farmers rather than shaft them for a quick buck.
    Would being in the EU have made a difference?
    I believe there would have been a compulsory consultation period. More important though is a government that believes protection of workers is not just red tape.
    EU law was copy&pasted into British law, no? So either we have changed something already, or the copy&pasting was flawed, or it’s not related.
  • CiceroCicero Posts: 3,686
    JohnLilburne said:

    Nigelb said:

    This lady was in the Mariupol theatre when orcs dropped two massive bombs on it. “How many people were there?” “Around 800, maybe 100 got out, that’s it.” “Everyone else is under the rubble?” “Yeah, the main impact was on the stage, there were very many people underneath”
    https://mobile.twitter.com/juliaskripkaser/status/1504523793817116685

    Orcs? Is Putin Sauron himself, or just the Witch King?
    In several languages the invading Russians have been referred to as Orcs from the beginning. Especially in Lithuania, for some reason.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 52,551
    turbotubbs said:

    Foxy said:

    turbotubbs said:

    Foxy said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Foxy said:

    carnforth said:

    turbotubbs said:

    Foxy said:

    I see the workers are finding out what global buccaneering Britain is all about, and why they need a decent union.

    Would being in the EU have made any difference though? Happy to be shown I’m wrong about that.
    I took Foxy to mean trade union…
    Correct.
    Well yebbut "global buccaneering Britain" is an implied ref to EU membership, no?
    No, it is the style of Brexit. There are others, that actually do protect the workers and farmers rather than shaft them for a quick buck.
    Would being in the EU have made a difference?
    I believe there would have been a compulsory consultation period. More important though is a government that believes protection of workers is not just red tape.
    I think there still is, hence the ‘offer’ is 13 weeks pay in lieu of this.
    I hate what they are doing, but I don’t see evidence that the ability to do it is linked to Brexit. Happy to be shown I’m wrong, genuinely.
    It is all part of the shafting of the working class brexit voters by the free marketeering Brexiteers.
  • spudgfshspudgfsh Posts: 1,577
    edited March 2022
    Theuniondivvie said:

    Foxy said:

    carnforth said:

    turbotubbs said:

    Foxy said:

    I see the workers are finding out what global buccaneering Britain is all about, and why they need a decent union.

    Would being in the EU have made any difference though? Happy to be shown I’m wrong about that.
    I took Foxy to mean trade union…
    Correct.
    It’s all about Brexit for some folk.
    but the line about 'buccaneering britian' is all brexit. they brought it up
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 40,459
    Foxy said:

    turbotubbs said:

    Foxy said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Foxy said:

    carnforth said:

    turbotubbs said:

    Foxy said:

    I see the workers are finding out what global buccaneering Britain is all about, and why they need a decent union.

    Would being in the EU have made any difference though? Happy to be shown I’m wrong about that.
    I took Foxy to mean trade union…
    Correct.
    Well yebbut "global buccaneering Britain" is an implied ref to EU membership, no?
    No, it is the style of Brexit. There are others, that actually do protect the workers and farmers rather than shaft them for a quick buck.
    Would being in the EU have made a difference?
    I believe there would have been a compulsory consultation period. More important though is a government that believes protection of workers is not just red tape.
    You're clueless. Employment law in the UK hasn't changed a single iota since Brexit. We're still 100% aligned with EU employment law.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,653
    mwadams said:

    malcolmg said:

    TheWhiteRabbit said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Have we done this?

    Ben Wallace, the defence secretary, has hit out at Russian “dirty tricks” after being targeted by an impostor posing as the Ukrainian prime minister.

    He told The Times that a man pretending to be prime minister Denys Shmyhal on a video call asked him a series of questions which “got wilder and wilder so I ended the call”.

    One line of inquiry is that the call was orchestrated by Russian intelligence as an attempt to extract sensitive information from Wallace or as an attempt to embarrass him.

    Wallace, a former Scots Guards who was in Poland at the time, ordered an immediate inquiry to find out how the impostor was able to speak to him. It is understood the call lasted less than ten minutes.

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/impostor-tries-to-dupe-defence-secretary-35rqqkbjw

    No, but I don't think it's that outrageous that they were able to speak to him.

    What he said, on the other hand...
    not too bright if he got 10 minutes out of him. WTF did he talked to some looney about for nearly ten minutes before discovering he was a fake. Shows the calibre of donkey we have in Westminster.
    I am assuming you are used to your calls being scheduled by your office, and that it was also occurring through a "translator" at one end or the other. I don't think the Minister is to blame.
    PMSL, your excuse for him being an absolute donkey and employing other donkeys to make him look even more donkeyish.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 40,459
    Gardenwalker said:

    I am not sure what P&O has to do with Brexit.

    Nothing, fire and rehire happens everywhere, especially at failing companies. More fool the employees for accepting the new terms, the company can get fucked.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 44,645
    spudgfsh said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    Foxy said:

    carnforth said:

    turbotubbs said:

    Foxy said:

    I see the workers are finding out what global buccaneering Britain is all about, and why they need a decent union.

    Would being in the EU have made any difference though? Happy to be shown I’m wrong about that.
    I took Foxy to mean trade union…
    Correct.
    It’s all about Brexit for some folk.
    but the line about 'buccaneering britian' is all brexit. they brought it up
    Who is this ‘they’ of whom you speak? Would their collective description rhyme with bemoaners?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,254
    StillWaters said:

    Leon said:

    OMFG she did it. The not-at-all-drunk, totally compos mentis Pelosi read out a poem by Bono "for Ukraine". Then she giggled

    There is not enough cringe in the world to cover this

    https://twitter.com/TPostMillennial/status/1504525471572189186?s=20&t=kbEeOhl4o5qZ3aQ2AxNSQg

    She mangled it, but it was a really shit bit of writing by Bono
    "Where the snakes have no name."

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