I see the workers are finding out what global buccaneering Britain is all about, and why they need a decent union.
Would being in the EU have made any difference though? Happy to be shown I’m wrong about that.
I took Foxy to mean trade union…
Correct.
Well yebbut "global buccaneering Britain" is an implied ref to EU membership, no?
No, it is the style of Brexit. There are others, that actually do protect the workers and farmers rather than shaft them for a quick buck.
Would being in the EU have made a difference?
I believe there would have been a compulsory consultation period. More important though is a government that believes protection of workers is not just red tape.
I think there still is, hence the ‘offer’ is 13 weeks pay in lieu of this. I hate what they are doing, but I don’t see evidence that the ability to do it is linked to Brexit. Happy to be shown I’m wrong, genuinely.
I don't think it's Brexit. It's capitalism working as designed - the employers are optimising by finding non-union staff from poorer countries willing to work for less.
As soon as globalisation took hold, I predicted that this sort of thing would become routine, though as MaxPB says it's more usually by a business reopening somewhere poorer (cf. the manufacturing industry and China). In a very crude way, it redistributes money from poorer people in rich countries to (a) employers and (b) poorer people in poorer countries.
My view, of course, is that the process needs to be balanced by intervenionist governments, who tax the employers on local turnover (none of this "Haha, we're based in the Virgin Islands" stuff), require lengthy notice, subsidise retraining, and support low-paid workers and the unemployed. Globalisation shouldn't be stopped, but it should be constrained by minimum conditions, with tax havens subject to sanctions. The process shouldn't be stopped, but it should be made slow and expensive, so that people affected can be helped, with obstacles imposed on companies that try to circumvent the rules.
Will the Conservatives do more than say "Tsk!" and move on? Of course not. They see the system working as they expect, and are just a bit embarrassed that it's so obvious in this case.
The conservative mp who chairs the transport select committee seemed pretty hacked off and in full agreement the labour mp who was featured before him. It sounds pretty shocking at the moment, so hopefully a lot can be done.
The only shocking aspect I can see is that the workers seem not to have gone through any form of consultation, and the manner of communication was crass.
Otherwise, it’s pretty standard stuff, isn’t it?
Yes it seems there is a time limited offer which includes 13 weeks pay in lieu of consultation. One wonders why the company have chosen this route? Hoping for a faint accompli? I hope they get stuffed by the lawyers.
If I am reading the letter Hebblethwaite sent out correctly, then all the staff who have been fired are contracted under the laws of Jersey. Which is presumably less rigorous than UK law (which is hardly rigorous on employee rights).
I think they were probably hoping by taking this course they would get it over and done with quickly while everyone was distracted by Ukraine. In this I suspect they have made an error, particularly in having security guards with covered faces go aboard to use violence and physical restraint to enforce it. This could easily run and run should anyone bring charges of assault.
On a more pertinent point, at a time when there is spare capacity they have just guaranteed lots of negative headlines and unhappy passengers which will not do their bookings any good.
Conclusion - they're very arrogant, extremely nasty and fucking stupid.
That one on the Zoom call just looked incredibly creepy. Like that weirdo with the Nazi tattoos Putin sent into Ukraine.
Laura Kuenssberg Translator @BBCLauraKT BREAKING: There is a 99.9% chance that when Boris Johnson attended the Lebedev party "with girls" that he was compromised and Russia has the video footage. This theory would explain sooo much lol x
Although Corbyn hanging out with a lot of demented anti-semites hasn't damaged him (at least, not in your eyes) so why should Johnson be compromised by photographs of him with girls?
I see the workers are finding out what global buccaneering Britain is all about, and why they need a decent union.
Would being in the EU have made any difference though? Happy to be shown I’m wrong about that.
I took Foxy to mean trade union…
Correct.
Well yebbut "global buccaneering Britain" is an implied ref to EU membership, no?
No, it is the style of Brexit. There are others, that actually do protect the workers and farmers rather than shaft them for a quick buck.
Would being in the EU have made a difference?
I believe there would have been a compulsory consultation period. More important though is a government that believes protection of workers is not just red tape.
I think there still is, hence the ‘offer’ is 13 weeks pay in lieu of this. I hate what they are doing, but I don’t see evidence that the ability to do it is linked to Brexit. Happy to be shown I’m wrong, genuinely.
I don't think it's Brexit. It's capitalism working as designed - the employers are optimising by finding non-union staff from poorer countries willing to work for less.
As soon as globalisation took hold, I predicted that this sort of thing would become routine, though as MaxPB says it's more usually by a business reopening somewhere poorer (cf. the manufacturing industry and China). In a very crude way, it redistributes money from poorer people in rich countries to (a) employers and (b) poorer people in poorer countries.
My view, of course, is that the process needs to be balanced by intervenionist governments, who tax the employers on local turnover (none of this "Haha, we're based in the Virgin Islands" stuff), require lengthy notice, subsidise retraining, and support low-paid workers and the unemployed. Globalisation shouldn't be stopped, but it should be constrained by minimum conditions, with tax havens subject to sanctions. The process shouldn't be stopped, but it should be made slow and expensive, so that people affected can be helped, with obstacles imposed on companies that try to circumvent the rules.
Will the Conservatives do more than say "Tsk!" and move on? Of course not. They see the system working as they expect, and are just a bit embarrassed that it's so obvious in this case.
The conservative mp who chairs the transport select committee seemed pretty hacked off and in full agreement the labour mp who was featured before him. It sounds pretty shocking at the moment, so hopefully a lot can be done.
The only shocking aspect I can see is that the workers seem not to have gone through any form of consultation, and the manner of communication was crass.
Otherwise, it’s pretty standard stuff, isn’t it?
Yes it seems there is a time limited offer which includes 13 weeks pay in lieu of consultation. One wonders why the company have chosen this route? Hoping for a faint accompli? I hope they get stuffed by the lawyers.
If I am reading the letter Hebblethwaite sent out correctly, then all the staff who have been fired are contracted under the laws of Jersey. Which is presumably less rigorous than UK law (which is hardly rigorous on employee rights).
I think they were probably hoping by taking this course they would get it over and done with quickly while everyone was distracted by Ukraine. In this I suspect they have made an error, particularly in having security guards with covered faces go aboard to use violence and physical restraint to enforce it. This could easily run and run should anyone bring charges of assault.
On a more pertinent point, at a time when there is spare capacity they have just guaranteed lots of negative headlines and unhappy passengers which will not do their bookings any good.
Conclusion - they're very arrogant, extremely nasty and fucking stupid.
That one on the Zoom call just looked incredibly creepy. Like that weirdo with the Nazi tattoos Putin sent into Ukraine.
What territory is a P&O ferry? If it's somewhere like Jersey the law could for all I know be more primitive than the UK mainland (or it might be better: doesn't help that I have just been reading the latest Charles Stross novel, which in part hinges on just this kind of legal distinction between the UK/EU and the CIs).
I don't know, and from the little I do know about maritime law it's so Byzantine I doubt if anyone else does either.
However, the Hebblethwaite letter is quoted in full here:
As of this morning, we are severing the contracts of all 800 Jersey-contracted seafaring colleagues with immediate effect and will be compensating them for lack of notice with enhanced severance packages.
Now I could be wrong and 'Jersey' could be the name of a subsidiary company. But if a UK company sacks its workers without notice under UK laws for any reason other than imminent bankruptcy ('imminent' meaning 'before the end of the month') it's acting illegally. And if that were the case, the RMT would surely be seeking an injunction against the company for illegal dismissal. The fact they haven't says quite a lot in itself.
Therefore I am assuming that in some technical way P+O Ferries and their staff are not under UK law, and this seems the logical explanation.
If so that raises a much more serious question - how can a company based on UK soil, employing UK nationals, carrying out its operations in the UK, find such a loophole? And should that loophole not be closed? Or was it already closed, in which case P+O ferries may have burned their figures?
But those are arguments for lawyers to ponder later. Right now, it's not a lot of help to those people who have been booted out of work.
Quite.
On further poking around it seems as if the ships themselves are flagged outwith UK - Bermuda and Cyprus ansd Bahamas and Netherlands for instance. How it is possible to pick and choose between these, UK (mainland) and Jersey laws for employment I have no idea.
But despite what has been indignantly stated by the PBBrexiters it may well be that Brexit has after all played a role in setting the scene, rather to my surprise.
Mrs P and I have just signed up to the Homes for Ukraine Scheme.
Inspired by @Richard_Tyndall who signed up a few days ago and after much consideration we've decided to do the same. Very straightforward registration form.
The thing about the P&O stuff, forgetting about the legalities of it all etc. is: you can tell from how these things are actually done whether the company knows itself whether it's being a bastard or not.
A 3 minute recorded message is the approach of a company that knows it's being a bastard, a company that knows that it's made a decision to fuck everyone over and then get the hell out of Dodge to not be there when the shit hits the fan.
If it's the right thing to do to save the company, get the fucking board to do a proper live meeting and take the shitty questions they're going to get from every Tom Dick and Harry whose lives they're fucking over that day.
Most likely Johnson will now lead the Tories again at the next general election. Not only has he cut the Labour poll lead but Sunak does little better against Starmer than he does anyway
Putin cut the Labour poll lead, not Johnson.
Where is he in the odds for next Tory leader?
Bit of a moderate for some. He hasn't even nuked anywhere to avoid losing a War yet.
Still not sure there’s a direct connection. But there is this:
In February 2019, P&O Ferries announced that its UK fleet would be reflagged from Dover to Cyprus in response to the UK's exit from the European Union that year for "operational and accounting reasons".
AIUI one of the largest, numerically if not by GRT, elements of the once glorious British Merchant Navy is the Orkney Islands Council. They do have a lot of islands, and a lot of ferries, but even so ...
How do you ever get a decent standard of living for most people if you allow companies to wreck people's careers and livelihoods to drive down wages?
The whole system's a fucking sham, and the only "leader" the Left could find to speak a word against it was a useless idiot who indulged anti-Semitism.
Tear the whole thing down. It's just not good enough.
Many on the left would say that because Corbyn spoke up against this kind of shit the establishment tore him down with a load of exagerated/made up claims. The truth I suspect lies somewhere in between, precisely where who knows.
Laura Kuenssberg Translator @BBCLauraKT BREAKING: There is a 99.9% chance that when Boris Johnson attended the Lebedev party "with girls" that he was compromised and Russia has the video footage. This theory would explain sooo much lol x
It is not necessary to explain anything.
The Evening Standard was an unfailing political supporter of Boris, and Lebedev managed to secure a peerage out of it.
It’s very smelly, but it is a story of Boris’s petty corruption and woeful inability to prioritise matters of state, rather than anything else.
The thing about the P&O stuff, forgetting about the legalities of it all etc. is: you can tell from how these things are actually done whether the company knows itself whether it's being a bastard or not.
A 3 minute recorded message is the approach of a company that knows it's being a bastard, a company that knows that it's made a decision to fuck everyone over and then get the hell out of Dodge to not be there when the shit hits the fan.
If it's the right thing to do to save the company, get the fucking board to do a proper live meeting and take the shitty questions they're going to get from every Tom Dick and Harry whose lives they're fucking over that day.
I see the workers are finding out what global buccaneering Britain is all about, and why they need a decent union.
Would being in the EU have made any difference though? Happy to be shown I’m wrong about that.
I took Foxy to mean trade union…
Correct.
Well yebbut "global buccaneering Britain" is an implied ref to EU membership, no?
No, it is the style of Brexit. There are others, that actually do protect the workers and farmers rather than shaft them for a quick buck.
Would being in the EU have made a difference?
I believe there would have been a compulsory consultation period. More important though is a government that believes protection of workers is not just red tape.
I think there still is, hence the ‘offer’ is 13 weeks pay in lieu of this. I hate what they are doing, but I don’t see evidence that the ability to do it is linked to Brexit. Happy to be shown I’m wrong, genuinely.
I don't think it's Brexit. It's capitalism working as designed - the employers are optimising by finding non-union staff from poorer countries willing to work for less.
As soon as globalisation took hold, I predicted that this sort of thing would become routine, though as MaxPB says it's more usually by a business reopening somewhere poorer (cf. the manufacturing industry and China). In a very crude way, it redistributes money from poorer people in rich countries to (a) employers and (b) poorer people in poorer countries.
My view, of course, is that the process needs to be balanced by intervenionist governments, who tax the employers on local turnover (none of this "Haha, we're based in the Virgin Islands" stuff), require lengthy notice, subsidise retraining, and support low-paid workers and the unemployed. Globalisation shouldn't be stopped, but it should be constrained by minimum conditions, with tax havens subject to sanctions. The process shouldn't be stopped, but it should be made slow and expensive, so that people affected can be helped, with obstacles imposed on companies that try to circumvent the rules.
Will the Conservatives do more than say "Tsk!" and move on? Of course not. They see the system working as they expect, and are just a bit embarrassed that it's so obvious in this case.
The conservative mp who chairs the transport select committee seemed pretty hacked off and in full agreement the labour mp who was featured before him. It sounds pretty shocking at the moment, so hopefully a lot can be done.
The only shocking aspect I can see is that the workers seem not to have gone through any form of consultation, and the manner of communication was crass.
Otherwise, it’s pretty standard stuff, isn’t it?
Yes it seems there is a time limited offer which includes 13 weeks pay in lieu of consultation. One wonders why the company have chosen this route? Hoping for a faint accompli? I hope they get stuffed by the lawyers.
If I am reading the letter Hebblethwaite sent out correctly, then all the staff who have been fired are contracted under the laws of Jersey. Which is presumably less rigorous than UK law (which is hardly rigorous on employee rights).
I think they were probably hoping by taking this course they would get it over and done with quickly while everyone was distracted by Ukraine. In this I suspect they have made an error, particularly in having security guards with covered faces go aboard to use violence and physical restraint to enforce it. This could easily run and run should anyone bring charges of assault.
On a more pertinent point, at a time when there is spare capacity they have just guaranteed lots of negative headlines and unhappy passengers which will not do their bookings any good.
Conclusion - they're very arrogant, extremely nasty and fucking stupid.
That one on the Zoom call just looked incredibly creepy. Like that weirdo with the Nazi tattoos Putin sent into Ukraine.
“are contracted under the laws of Jersey. Which is presumably less rigorous than UK law (which is hardly rigorous on employee rights).”
Ill informed bollocks but carry on. It’s basically cut and paste from UK law.
Teachers should understand the benefits of researching what they tell people.
I did say 'if.'
But I'm intrigued you think that's copied and pasted from UK employment law. I deal with it very regularly and I've not come across that bit. Where is it?
My point was your attempt to suggest that Jersey employment law was less rigorous than uK employment law in order to pass the buck. Jersey employment law is basically a cut and paste job and so any loopholes are the same loopholes as would be existent if they were employed by a UK company. But you assumed Jersey being a “tax haven” was a Wild West of dodgy laws - the sad thing is that Jersey politicians have just copied UK laws and ideas for too long.
If the rumours are true, then he wouldn't be the first Prime Minister to have an awkward godparent situation. Wendi Deng let slip that Tony Blair was godfather to one of Murdoch's daughters. David Cameron remained unhelpfully tied to Michael Gove for years after their bust-up because Sarah Vine is godmother to one of his.
So just a heads up to Boris that he might want to get prepping his lines if he's ever made Evgeny Lebedev an offer to become the spiritual guardian to one of his many, many children. Because one of the broadsheets is currently investigating a claim that he has.
If they'd been good Presbyterians life would be so much simpler.
Murdoch's children had Roman Catholic baptisms, his wife being a Catholic. He also has a Papal Knighthood. His mother was Jewish. His grandfather was even a Presbyterian minister. Johnson is also now a Roman Catholic.
Only Cameron is Church of England
I don't think there is any evidence that Boris is RC except in the sense of having been baptised in it. He was, according to Wiki, confirmed C o E. I sense that he is is religiously protean, as are lots of people.
A remarkable number have been clearly practising Christian: May, Brown, Blair, Heath. Cameron : classic public school Christian. Major: vague. Thatcher: uniquely hand bag toting non conformist. Callaghan: Baptist. Wilson: No idea.
How do you ever get a decent standard of living for most people if you allow companies to wreck people's careers and livelihoods to drive down wages?
The whole system's a fucking sham, and the only "leader" the Left could find to speak a word against it was a useless idiot who indulged anti-Semitism.
Tear the whole thing down. It's just not good enough.
Many on the left would say that because Corbyn spoke up against this kind of shit the establishment tore him down with a load of exagerated/made up claims. The truth I suspect lies somewhere in between, precisely where who knows.
The problem with Corbyn was you didn't need to make anything up. When it was tried, as in implying he was a Czech spy, people laughed and the writers looked silly. When he was sounding sceptical about Russian involvement in Salisbury, or making common cause with neo-Nazis, or making ridiculous claims about murals - well, you didn't need to exaggerate or makeup. Just report the facts and they were a killer.
That said, our employment laws are a joke. Even Iran has more rigorous employment laws than we do, which is saying quite something.
Laura Kuenssberg Translator @BBCLauraKT BREAKING: There is a 99.9% chance that when Boris Johnson attended the Lebedev party "with girls" that he was compromised and Russia has the video footage. This theory would explain sooo much lol x
Isn't that a spoof account? Should OGH's lawyers be on speed-dial?
How do you ever get a decent standard of living for most people if you allow companies to wreck people's careers and livelihoods to drive down wages?
The whole system's a fucking sham, and the only "leader" the Left could find to speak a word against it was a useless idiot who indulged anti-Semitism.
Tear the whole thing down. It's just not good enough.
Many on the left would say that because Corbyn spoke up against this kind of shit the establishment tore him down with a load of exagerated/made up claims. The truth I suspect lies somewhere in between, precisely where who knows.
The problem with Corbyn was you didn't need to make anything up. When it was tried, as in implying he was a Czech spy, people laughed and the writers looked silly. When he was sounding sceptical about Russian involvement in Salisbury, or making common cause with neo-Nazis, or making ridiculous claims about murals - well, you didn't need to exaggerate or makeup. Just report the facts and they were a killer.
That said, our employment laws are a joke. Even Iran has more rigorous employment laws than we do, which is saying quite something.
IMHO Corbyn isn't an anti semite but he is undoubtedly a fucking idiot.
If the rumours are true, then he wouldn't be the first Prime Minister to have an awkward godparent situation. Wendi Deng let slip that Tony Blair was godfather to one of Murdoch's daughters. David Cameron remained unhelpfully tied to Michael Gove for years after their bust-up because Sarah Vine is godmother to one of his.
So just a heads up to Boris that he might want to get prepping his lines if he's ever made Evgeny Lebedev an offer to become the spiritual guardian to one of his many, many children. Because one of the broadsheets is currently investigating a claim that he has.
If they'd been good Presbyterians life would be so much simpler.
Murdoch's children had Roman Catholic baptisms, his wife being a Catholic. He also has a Papal Knighthood. His mother was Jewish. His grandfather was even a Presbyterian minister. Johnson is also now a Roman Catholic.
Only Cameron is Church of England
I don't think there is any evidence that Boris is RC except in the sense of having been baptised in it. He was, according to Wiki, confirmed C o E. I sense that he is is religiously protean, as are lots of people.
A remarkable number have been clearly practising Christian: May, Brown, Blair, Heath. Cameron : classic public school Christian. Major: vague. Thatcher: uniquely hand bag toting non conformist. Callaghan: Baptist. Wilson: No idea.
"Wilson was brought up as a Baptist, at university joined the evangelical Oxford Group, and in 1963 declared: "I have religious beliefs and they very much affected my political views.""
I see the workers are finding out what global buccaneering Britain is all about, and why they need a decent union.
Would being in the EU have made any difference though? Happy to be shown I’m wrong about that.
I took Foxy to mean trade union…
Correct.
Well yebbut "global buccaneering Britain" is an implied ref to EU membership, no?
No, it is the style of Brexit. There are others, that actually do protect the workers and farmers rather than shaft them for a quick buck.
Would being in the EU have made a difference?
I believe there would have been a compulsory consultation period. More important though is a government that believes protection of workers is not just red tape.
I think there still is, hence the ‘offer’ is 13 weeks pay in lieu of this. I hate what they are doing, but I don’t see evidence that the ability to do it is linked to Brexit. Happy to be shown I’m wrong, genuinely.
I don't think it's Brexit. It's capitalism working as designed - the employers are optimising by finding non-union staff from poorer countries willing to work for less.
As soon as globalisation took hold, I predicted that this sort of thing would become routine, though as MaxPB says it's more usually by a business reopening somewhere poorer (cf. the manufacturing industry and China). In a very crude way, it redistributes money from poorer people in rich countries to (a) employers and (b) poorer people in poorer countries.
My view, of course, is that the process needs to be balanced by intervenionist governments, who tax the employers on local turnover (none of this "Haha, we're based in the Virgin Islands" stuff), require lengthy notice, subsidise retraining, and support low-paid workers and the unemployed. Globalisation shouldn't be stopped, but it should be constrained by minimum conditions, with tax havens subject to sanctions. The process shouldn't be stopped, but it should be made slow and expensive, so that people affected can be helped, with obstacles imposed on companies that try to circumvent the rules.
Will the Conservatives do more than say "Tsk!" and move on? Of course not. They see the system working as they expect, and are just a bit embarrassed that it's so obvious in this case.
The conservative mp who chairs the transport select committee seemed pretty hacked off and in full agreement the labour mp who was featured before him. It sounds pretty shocking at the moment, so hopefully a lot can be done.
The only shocking aspect I can see is that the workers seem not to have gone through any form of consultation, and the manner of communication was crass.
Otherwise, it’s pretty standard stuff, isn’t it?
Yes it seems there is a time limited offer which includes 13 weeks pay in lieu of consultation. One wonders why the company have chosen this route? Hoping for a faint accompli? I hope they get stuffed by the lawyers.
If I am reading the letter Hebblethwaite sent out correctly, then all the staff who have been fired are contracted under the laws of Jersey. Which is presumably less rigorous than UK law (which is hardly rigorous on employee rights).
I think they were probably hoping by taking this course they would get it over and done with quickly while everyone was distracted by Ukraine. In this I suspect they have made an error, particularly in having security guards with covered faces go aboard to use violence and physical restraint to enforce it. This could easily run and run should anyone bring charges of assault.
On a more pertinent point, at a time when there is spare capacity they have just guaranteed lots of negative headlines and unhappy passengers which will not do their bookings any good.
Conclusion - they're very arrogant, extremely nasty and fucking stupid.
That one on the Zoom call just looked incredibly creepy. Like that weirdo with the Nazi tattoos Putin sent into Ukraine.
“are contracted under the laws of Jersey. Which is presumably less rigorous than UK law (which is hardly rigorous on employee rights).”
Ill informed bollocks but carry on. It’s basically cut and paste from UK law.
Teachers should understand the benefits of researching what they tell people.
I did say 'if.'
But I'm intrigued you think that's copied and pasted from UK employment law. I deal with it very regularly and I've not come across that bit. Where is it?
My point was your attempt to suggest that Jersey employment law was less rigorous than uK employment law in order to pass the buck. Jersey employment law is basically a cut and paste job and so any loopholes are the same loopholes as would be existent if they were employed by a UK company. But you assumed Jersey being a “tax haven” was a Wild West of dodgy laws - the sad thing is that Jersey politicians have just copied UK laws and ideas for too long.
I see, thank you. I have (now) looked at the Jersey employment laws and as you say they do mirror UK ones, which does surprise me because yes, Jersey has always given the distinct impression that laws are what big business find expedient at any given moment less rigorous than on the mainland.
But that then begs the question - how would this be lawful? No consultation. No notification. No consideration of alternatives. Violence used to enforce it.
P+O Ferries may just have made the cockup of their lives.
The thing about the P&O stuff, forgetting about the legalities of it all etc. is: you can tell from how these things are actually done whether the company knows itself whether it's being a bastard or not.
A 3 minute recorded message is the approach of a company that knows it's being a bastard, a company that knows that it's made a decision to fuck everyone over and then get the hell out of Dodge to not be there when the shit hits the fan.
If it's the right thing to do to save the company, get the fucking board to do a proper live meeting and take the shitty questions they're going to get from every Tom Dick and Harry whose lives they're fucking over that day.
How do you ever get a decent standard of living for most people if you allow companies to wreck people's careers and livelihoods to drive down wages?
The whole system's a fucking sham, and the only "leader" the Left could find to speak a word against it was a useless idiot who indulged anti-Semitism.
Tear the whole thing down. It's just not good enough.
Many on the left would say that because Corbyn spoke up against this kind of shit the establishment tore him down with a load of exagerated/made up claims. The truth I suspect lies somewhere in between, precisely where who knows.
The problem with Corbyn was you didn't need to make anything up. When it was tried, as in implying he was a Czech spy, people laughed and the writers looked silly. When he was sounding sceptical about Russian involvement in Salisbury, or making common cause with neo-Nazis, or making ridiculous claims about murals - well, you didn't need to exaggerate or makeup. Just report the facts and they were a killer.
That said, our employment laws are a joke. Even Iran has more rigorous employment laws than we do, which is saying quite something.
IMHO Corbyn isn't an anti semite but he is undoubtedly a fucking idiot.
He might not be an anti Semite but he certainly has no problem associating with those who are. Just as @cyclefree wants all men to call out mysogeny when they see it, and not passively tolerate bad behaviour, all people wanted from the labour leader was not to keep turning a blind eye to anti semites, and not going and laying wreaths at the tombs of anti Semitic terrorists. Not too much to ask?
Laura Kuenssberg Translator @BBCLauraKT BREAKING: There is a 99.9% chance that when Boris Johnson attended the Lebedev party "with girls" that he was compromised and Russia has the video footage. This theory would explain sooo much lol x
Isn't that a spoof account? Should OGH's lawyers be on speed-dial?
Another point re P+O. Would 13 week's pay leave many of them unable to claim Universal Credit?
I think a statutory redundancy payment counts as capital, rather than income so, no, unless the redundancy amount takes the individual's total savings over £6,000. Savings above £6,000 will start to taper down UC payments; total savings above £16,000 = no UC payments.
I see the workers are finding out what global buccaneering Britain is all about, and why they need a decent union.
Would being in the EU have made any difference though? Happy to be shown I’m wrong about that.
I took Foxy to mean trade union…
Correct.
Well yebbut "global buccaneering Britain" is an implied ref to EU membership, no?
No, it is the style of Brexit. There are others, that actually do protect the workers and farmers rather than shaft them for a quick buck.
Would being in the EU have made a difference?
I believe there would have been a compulsory consultation period. More important though is a government that believes protection of workers is not just red tape.
I think there still is, hence the ‘offer’ is 13 weeks pay in lieu of this. I hate what they are doing, but I don’t see evidence that the ability to do it is linked to Brexit. Happy to be shown I’m wrong, genuinely.
I don't think it's Brexit. It's capitalism working as designed - the employers are optimising by finding non-union staff from poorer countries willing to work for less.
As soon as globalisation took hold, I predicted that this sort of thing would become routine, though as MaxPB says it's more usually by a business reopening somewhere poorer (cf. the manufacturing industry and China). In a very crude way, it redistributes money from poorer people in rich countries to (a) employers and (b) poorer people in poorer countries.
My view, of course, is that the process needs to be balanced by intervenionist governments, who tax the employers on local turnover (none of this "Haha, we're based in the Virgin Islands" stuff), require lengthy notice, subsidise retraining, and support low-paid workers and the unemployed. Globalisation shouldn't be stopped, but it should be constrained by minimum conditions, with tax havens subject to sanctions. The process shouldn't be stopped, but it should be made slow and expensive, so that people affected can be helped, with obstacles imposed on companies that try to circumvent the rules.
Will the Conservatives do more than say "Tsk!" and move on? Of course not. They see the system working as they expect, and are just a bit embarrassed that it's so obvious in this case.
The conservative mp who chairs the transport select committee seemed pretty hacked off and in full agreement the labour mp who was featured before him. It sounds pretty shocking at the moment, so hopefully a lot can be done.
The only shocking aspect I can see is that the workers seem not to have gone through any form of consultation, and the manner of communication was crass.
Otherwise, it’s pretty standard stuff, isn’t it?
Yes it seems there is a time limited offer which includes 13 weeks pay in lieu of consultation. One wonders why the company have chosen this route? Hoping for a faint accompli? I hope they get stuffed by the lawyers.
If I am reading the letter Hebblethwaite sent out correctly, then all the staff who have been fired are contracted under the laws of Jersey. Which is presumably less rigorous than UK law (which is hardly rigorous on employee rights).
I think they were probably hoping by taking this course they would get it over and done with quickly while everyone was distracted by Ukraine. In this I suspect they have made an error, particularly in having security guards with covered faces go aboard to use violence and physical restraint to enforce it. This could easily run and run should anyone bring charges of assault.
On a more pertinent point, at a time when there is spare capacity they have just guaranteed lots of negative headlines and unhappy passengers which will not do their bookings any good.
Conclusion - they're very arrogant, extremely nasty and fucking stupid.
That one on the Zoom call just looked incredibly creepy. Like that weirdo with the Nazi tattoos Putin sent into Ukraine.
“are contracted under the laws of Jersey. Which is presumably less rigorous than UK law (which is hardly rigorous on employee rights).”
Ill informed bollocks but carry on. It’s basically cut and paste from UK law.
Teachers should understand the benefits of researching what they tell people.
I did say 'if.'
But I'm intrigued you think that's copied and pasted from UK employment law. I deal with it very regularly and I've not come across that bit. Where is it?
My point was your attempt to suggest that Jersey employment law was less rigorous than uK employment law in order to pass the buck. Jersey employment law is basically a cut and paste job and so any loopholes are the same loopholes as would be existent if they were employed by a UK company. But you assumed Jersey being a “tax haven” was a Wild West of dodgy laws - the sad thing is that Jersey politicians have just copied UK laws and ideas for too long.
I see, thank you. I have (now) looked at the Jersey employment laws and as you say they do mirror UK ones, which does surprise me because yes, Jersey has always given the distinct impression that laws are what big business find expedient at any given moment less rigorous than on the mainland.
But that then begs the question - how would this be lawful? No consultation. No notification. No consideration of alternatives. Violence used to enforce it.
P+O Ferries may just have made the cockup of their lives.
I have no idea how there is a Jersey link to P&O employment contracts as that would be very stupid of P&O.
The actions are happening in the UK and so the UK should be ensuring this isn’t happening in their territory.
Unfortunately people assume Jersey and other Crown dependencies are a Wild West - the irony is that it’s a million times harder to open a bank account in these places than the UK or to set up a company etc than the UK but a very easy target by the uninformed.
How do you ever get a decent standard of living for most people if you allow companies to wreck people's careers and livelihoods to drive down wages?
The whole system's a fucking sham, and the only "leader" the Left could find to speak a word against it was a useless idiot who indulged anti-Semitism.
Tear the whole thing down. It's just not good enough.
Many on the left would say that because Corbyn spoke up against this kind of shit the establishment tore him down with a load of exagerated/made up claims. The truth I suspect lies somewhere in between, precisely where who knows.
The problem with Corbyn was you didn't need to make anything up. When it was tried, as in implying he was a Czech spy, people laughed and the writers looked silly. When he was sounding sceptical about Russian involvement in Salisbury, or making common cause with neo-Nazis, or making ridiculous claims about murals - well, you didn't need to exaggerate or makeup. Just report the facts and they were a killer.
That said, our employment laws are a joke. Even Iran has more rigorous employment laws than we do, which is saying quite something.
IMHO Corbyn isn't an anti semite but he is undoubtedly a fucking idiot.
He might not be an anti Semite but he certainly has no problem associating with those who are. Just as @cyclefree wants all men to call out mysogeny when they see it, and not passively tolerate bad behaviour, all people wanted from the labour leader was not to keep turning a blind eye to anti semites, and not going and laying wreaths at the tombs of anti Semitic terrorists. Not too much to ask?
How do you ever get a decent standard of living for most people if you allow companies to wreck people's careers and livelihoods to drive down wages?
The whole system's a fucking sham, and the only "leader" the Left could find to speak a word against it was a useless idiot who indulged anti-Semitism.
Tear the whole thing down. It's just not good enough.
Many on the left would say that because Corbyn spoke up against this kind of shit the establishment tore him down with a load of exagerated/made up claims. The truth I suspect lies somewhere in between, precisely where who knows.
The problem with Corbyn was you didn't need to make anything up. When it was tried, as in implying he was a Czech spy, people laughed and the writers looked silly. When he was sounding sceptical about Russian involvement in Salisbury, or making common cause with neo-Nazis, or making ridiculous claims about murals - well, you didn't need to exaggerate or makeup. Just report the facts and they were a killer.
That said, our employment laws are a joke. Even Iran has more rigorous employment laws than we do, which is saying quite something.
IMHO Corbyn isn't an anti semite but he is undoubtedly a fucking idiot.
My personal impression, which may be even less accurate than my understanding of Jersey's employment laws, is that he *is* an anti-Semite but on an intellectual rather than an emotional level.
That is, he conflates them in his mind with things he dislikes - Israel, money, the media - and assumes 'Jews' are a bad thing. Which might explain why he says and does so many things that could be anti-Semitic and yet seems to have no personal problem with individuals who are Jewish (well, not for that reason).
How do you ever get a decent standard of living for most people if you allow companies to wreck people's careers and livelihoods to drive down wages?
The whole system's a fucking sham, and the only "leader" the Left could find to speak a word against it was a useless idiot who indulged anti-Semitism.
Tear the whole thing down. It's just not good enough.
Many on the left would say that because Corbyn spoke up against this kind of shit the establishment tore him down with a load of exagerated/made up claims. The truth I suspect lies somewhere in between, precisely where who knows.
The problem with Corbyn was you didn't need to make anything up. When it was tried, as in implying he was a Czech spy, people laughed and the writers looked silly. When he was sounding sceptical about Russian involvement in Salisbury, or making common cause with neo-Nazis, or making ridiculous claims about murals - well, you didn't need to exaggerate or makeup. Just report the facts and they were a killer.
That said, our employment laws are a joke. Even Iran has more rigorous employment laws than we do, which is saying quite something.
IMHO Corbyn isn't an anti semite but he is undoubtedly a fucking idiot.
He might not be an anti Semite but he certainly has no problem associating with those who are. Just as @cyclefree wants all men to call out mysogeny when they see it, and not passively tolerate bad behaviour, all people wanted from the labour leader was not to keep turning a blind eye to anti semites, and not going and laying wreaths at the tombs of anti Semitic terrorists. Not too much to ask?
Like I said, he is an idiot. And a disaster for Labour. I still curse the people who elected him leader. A Jewish woman passionately defended him to me once, and told me in no uncertain terms that the anti semitism claims against him were a fabrication. Personally I think there is evidence of criminal stupidity in this area from him, and the mural incident in particular is damning, but if she cleared him of anti semitism then I'm not minded to convict.
Another point re P+O. Would 13 week's pay leave many of them unable to claim Universal Credit?
I think a statutory redundancy payment counts as capital, rather than income so, no, unless the redundancy amount takes the individual's total savings over £6,000. Savings above £6,000 will start to taper down UC payments; total savings above £16,000 = no UC payments.
That's what I meant. I don't know what they are paid, but a quarter of a year will take many above the taper down figure with very little other savings.
I see the workers are finding out what global buccaneering Britain is all about, and why they need a decent union.
Would being in the EU have made any difference though? Happy to be shown I’m wrong about that.
I took Foxy to mean trade union…
Correct.
Well yebbut "global buccaneering Britain" is an implied ref to EU membership, no?
No, it is the style of Brexit. There are others, that actually do protect the workers and farmers rather than shaft them for a quick buck.
Would being in the EU have made a difference?
I believe there would have been a compulsory consultation period. More important though is a government that believes protection of workers is not just red tape.
I think there still is, hence the ‘offer’ is 13 weeks pay in lieu of this. I hate what they are doing, but I don’t see evidence that the ability to do it is linked to Brexit. Happy to be shown I’m wrong, genuinely.
I don't think it's Brexit. It's capitalism working as designed - the employers are optimising by finding non-union staff from poorer countries willing to work for less.
As soon as globalisation took hold, I predicted that this sort of thing would become routine, though as MaxPB says it's more usually by a business reopening somewhere poorer (cf. the manufacturing industry and China). In a very crude way, it redistributes money from poorer people in rich countries to (a) employers and (b) poorer people in poorer countries.
My view, of course, is that the process needs to be balanced by intervenionist governments, who tax the employers on local turnover (none of this "Haha, we're based in the Virgin Islands" stuff), require lengthy notice, subsidise retraining, and support low-paid workers and the unemployed. Globalisation shouldn't be stopped, but it should be constrained by minimum conditions, with tax havens subject to sanctions. The process shouldn't be stopped, but it should be made slow and expensive, so that people affected can be helped, with obstacles imposed on companies that try to circumvent the rules.
Will the Conservatives do more than say "Tsk!" and move on? Of course not. They see the system working as they expect, and are just a bit embarrassed that it's so obvious in this case.
The conservative mp who chairs the transport select committee seemed pretty hacked off and in full agreement the labour mp who was featured before him. It sounds pretty shocking at the moment, so hopefully a lot can be done.
The only shocking aspect I can see is that the workers seem not to have gone through any form of consultation, and the manner of communication was crass.
Otherwise, it’s pretty standard stuff, isn’t it?
Yes it seems there is a time limited offer which includes 13 weeks pay in lieu of consultation. One wonders why the company have chosen this route? Hoping for a faint accompli? I hope they get stuffed by the lawyers.
If I am reading the letter Hebblethwaite sent out correctly, then all the staff who have been fired are contracted under the laws of Jersey. Which is presumably less rigorous than UK law (which is hardly rigorous on employee rights).
I think they were probably hoping by taking this course they would get it over and done with quickly while everyone was distracted by Ukraine. In this I suspect they have made an error, particularly in having security guards with covered faces go aboard to use violence and physical restraint to enforce it. This could easily run and run should anyone bring charges of assault.
On a more pertinent point, at a time when there is spare capacity they have just guaranteed lots of negative headlines and unhappy passengers which will not do their bookings any good.
Conclusion - they're very arrogant, extremely nasty and fucking stupid.
That one on the Zoom call just looked incredibly creepy. Like that weirdo with the Nazi tattoos Putin sent into Ukraine.
“are contracted under the laws of Jersey. Which is presumably less rigorous than UK law (which is hardly rigorous on employee rights).”
Ill informed bollocks but carry on. It’s basically cut and paste from UK law.
Teachers should understand the benefits of researching what they tell people.
I did say 'if.'
But I'm intrigued you think that's copied and pasted from UK employment law. I deal with it very regularly and I've not come across that bit. Where is it?
My point was your attempt to suggest that Jersey employment law was less rigorous than uK employment law in order to pass the buck. Jersey employment law is basically a cut and paste job and so any loopholes are the same loopholes as would be existent if they were employed by a UK company. But you assumed Jersey being a “tax haven” was a Wild West of dodgy laws - the sad thing is that Jersey politicians have just copied UK laws and ideas for too long.
I see, thank you. I have (now) looked at the Jersey employment laws and as you say they do mirror UK ones, which does surprise me because yes, Jersey has always given the distinct impression that laws are what big business find expedient at any given moment less rigorous than on the mainland.
But that then begs the question - how would this be lawful? No consultation. No notification. No consideration of alternatives. Violence used to enforce it.
P+O Ferries may just have made the cockup of their lives.
I have no idea how there is a Jersey link to P&O employment contracts as that would be very stupid of P&O.
The actions are happening in the UK and so the UK should be ensuring this isn’t happening in their territory.
Unfortunately people assume Jersey and other Crown dependencies are a Wild West - the irony is that it’s a million times harder to open a bank account in these places than the UK or to set up a company etc than the UK but a very easy target by the uninformed.
Well, let's be fair here, P+O haven't exactly given the impression of being led by the finest intellects.
But somehow, they seem to have circumvented UK employment law. How, we don't yet know.
The truly ironic part would be if they thought they'd done it via the Channel Isles and got clobbered in a court there instead...
Laura Kuenssberg Translator @BBCLauraKT BREAKING: There is a 99.9% chance that when Boris Johnson attended the Lebedev party "with girls" that he was compromised and Russia has the video footage. This theory would explain sooo much lol x
Although Corbyn hanging out with a lot of demented anti-semites hasn't damaged him (at least, not in your eyes) so why should Johnson be compromised by photographs of him with girls?
Its a parody account and its called satire.
Before today you would have been happy to call Laura Murray a demented anti semite presumably.
I believe Seamus Milne has a case against the Mail coming up soon too if you want to chance your arm
Took a massive pair of bolt cutters to remove him.
He then flopped to the floor and needed like six stewards/rozzers to carry him off.
Also, another Evertonian tried to get to him to give him a bollocking.
Lol
What a bellend. Hope he doesn’t ‘fall down the stairs’
I’m just totally enlightened - I don’t know why we didn’t listen to him and his fellow travellers earlier. It’s so simple, no war, no environmental damage, nothing. We just need to “stop oil”.
I imagine the back of his t-shirt explains fully what we replace it with?
It’s one thing Bono writing that shit, it’s another one Pelosi reading it.
She should have stuck with Yeats, as @Cyclefree could have told her.
Fucking morons the lot of them.
Happy St Patrick’s Day, all.
I think some allowance has to be made for very old people thinking Bono is quite the young hipster, helping them to connect with de yoot. Next up, Mick and the boys (the ones left alive) introduce Biden’s state of the union address.
No. No allowance
You would not grant Trump any latitude
This woman probably should not be in charge of a shopping cart, she is orders of magnitude incapable of running a superpower. It is embarrassing and scary that America is reduced to this, just as we tiptoe towards World War 3
Took a massive pair of bolt cutters to remove him.
He then flopped to the floor and needed like six stewards/rozzers to carry him off.
Also, another Evertonian tried to get to him to give him a bollocking.
Lol
What a bellend. Hope he doesn’t ‘fall down the stairs’
I’m just totally enlightened - I don’t know why we didn’t listen to him and his fellow travellers earlier. It’s so simple, no war, no environmental damage, nothing. We just need to “stop oil”.
I imagine the back of his t-shirt explains fully what we replace it with?
Irony of the cable tie being made from oil not lost...
Took a massive pair of bolt cutters to remove him.
He then flopped to the floor and needed like six stewards/rozzers to carry him off.
Also, another Evertonian tried to get to him to give him a bollocking.
Lol
What a bellend. Hope he doesn’t ‘fall down the stairs’
I’m just totally enlightened - I don’t know why we didn’t listen to him and his fellow travellers earlier. It’s so simple, no war, no environmental damage, nothing. We just need to “stop oil”.
I imagine the back of his t-shirt explains fully what we replace it with?
Laura Kuenssberg Translator @BBCLauraKT BREAKING: There is a 99.9% chance that when Boris Johnson attended the Lebedev party "with girls" that he was compromised and Russia has the video footage. This theory would explain sooo much lol x
Although Corbyn hanging out with a lot of demented anti-semites hasn't damaged him (at least, not in your eyes) so why should Johnson be compromised by photographs of him with girls?
Its a parody account and its called satire.
Before today you would have been happy to call Laura Murray a demented anti semite presumably.
I believe Seamus Milne has a case against the Mail coming up soon too if you want to chance your arm
Are you really? I thought there must be a reason for some of your wilder postings but I hadn't twigged it was that.
If the rumours are true, then he wouldn't be the first Prime Minister to have an awkward godparent situation. Wendi Deng let slip that Tony Blair was godfather to one of Murdoch's daughters. David Cameron remained unhelpfully tied to Michael Gove for years after their bust-up because Sarah Vine is godmother to one of his.
So just a heads up to Boris that he might want to get prepping his lines if he's ever made Evgeny Lebedev an offer to become the spiritual guardian to one of his many, many children. Because one of the broadsheets is currently investigating a claim that he has.
If they'd been good Presbyterians life would be so much simpler.
Murdoch's children had Roman Catholic baptisms, his wife being a Catholic. He also has a Papal Knighthood. His mother was Jewish. His grandfather was even a Presbyterian minister. Johnson is also now a Roman Catholic.
Only Cameron is Church of England
I don't think there is any evidence that Boris is RC except in the sense of having been baptised in it. He was, according to Wiki, confirmed C o E. I sense that he is is religiously protean, as are lots of people.
A remarkable number have been clearly practising Christian: May, Brown, Blair, Heath. Cameron : classic public school Christian. Major: vague. Thatcher: uniquely hand bag toting non conformist. Callaghan: Baptist. Wilson: No idea.
As far as Roman Catholics are concerned once a Catholic always a Catholic and Boris has put himself back in their camp after his Westminster Cathedral wedding.
Starmer is an atheist (though with a Jewish wife) and would be the first atheist PM since Callaghan, despite his Baptist background (Foot, Kinnock and Ed Miliband were also atheists but lost the general elections they fought).
The only current Church of England Anglican party leader is actually Ed Davey for the LDs
Another point re P+O. Would 13 week's pay leave many of them unable to claim Universal Credit?
I think a statutory redundancy payment counts as capital, rather than income so, no, unless the redundancy amount takes the individual's total savings over £6,000. Savings above £6,000 will start to taper down UC payments; total savings above £16,000 = no UC payments.
You can also get (new style) JSA for 6 months if you have enough NICs. No capital (or spousal income) restrictions.
It’s one thing Bono writing that shit, it’s another one Pelosi reading it.
She should have stuck with Yeats, as @Cyclefree could have told her.
Fucking morons the lot of them.
Happy St Patrick’s Day, all.
I think some allowance has to be made for very old people thinking Bono is quite the young hipster, helping them to connect with de yoot. Next up, Mick and the boys (the ones left alive) introduce Biden’s state of the union address.
No. No allowance
You would not grant Trump any latitude
This woman probably should not be in charge of a shopping cart, she is orders of magnitude incapable of running a superpower. It is embarrassing and scary that America is reduced to this, just as we tiptoe towards World War 3
It’s one thing Bono writing that shit, it’s another one Pelosi reading it.
She should have stuck with Yeats, as @Cyclefree could have told her.
Fucking morons the lot of them.
Happy St Patrick’s Day, all.
I think some allowance has to be made for very old people thinking Bono is quite the young hipster, helping them to connect with de yoot. Next up, Mick and the boys (the ones left alive) introduce Biden’s state of the union address.
No. No allowance
You would not grant Trump any latitude
This woman probably should not be in charge of a shopping cart, she is orders of magnitude incapable of running a superpower. It is embarrassing and scary that America is reduced to this, just as we tiptoe towards World War 3
Isn't it good news she isn't, then?
She's two heartbeats away from running the USA, and she has significant power in the Capitol
It's ridiculous. She's my sad demented aunty Lois on the sauce.
Laura Kuenssberg Translator @BBCLauraKT BREAKING: There is a 99.9% chance that when Boris Johnson attended the Lebedev party "with girls" that he was compromised and Russia has the video footage. This theory would explain sooo much lol x
Although Corbyn hanging out with a lot of demented anti-semites hasn't damaged him (at least, not in your eyes) so why should Johnson be compromised by photographs of him with girls?
Its a parody account and its called satire.
Before today you would have been happy to call Laura Murray a demented anti semite presumably.
I believe Seamus Milne has a case against the Mail coming up soon too if you want to chance your arm
I have no doubt - and I do mean no doubt - that if Adolf hitler had successfully sued someone for libelling him as an anti semite in 1936, you would have been marching along behind him shouting In your face! You want some, 4 x 2 lover?
Obviously there is no parallel at all, what with Jezza's obvious and undisputed non anti semitism, but I thought I'd say that anyway.
Another point re P+O. Would 13 week's pay leave many of them unable to claim Universal Credit?
I think a statutory redundancy payment counts as capital, rather than income so, no, unless the redundancy amount takes the individual's total savings over £6,000. Savings above £6,000 will start to taper down UC payments; total savings above £16,000 = no UC payments.
You can also get (new style) JSA for 6 months if you have enough NICs. No capital (or spousal income) restrictions.
It’s one thing Bono writing that shit, it’s another one Pelosi reading it.
She should have stuck with Yeats, as @Cyclefree could have told her.
Fucking morons the lot of them.
Happy St Patrick’s Day, all.
I think some allowance has to be made for very old people thinking Bono is quite the young hipster, helping them to connect with de yoot. Next up, Mick and the boys (the ones left alive) introduce Biden’s state of the union address.
No. No allowance
You would not grant Trump any latitude
This woman probably should not be in charge of a shopping cart, she is orders of magnitude incapable of running a superpower. It is embarrassing and scary that America is reduced to this, just as we tiptoe towards World War 3
Isn't it good news she isn't, then?
She's two heartbeats away from running the USA, and she has significant power in the Capitol
It's ridiculous. She's my sad demented aunty Lois on the sauce.
America, get a grip
By January it will probably be GOP leader Kevin Mccarthy after the midterms who replaces Pelosi as Speaker and 3rd in line anyway.
It’s one thing Bono writing that shit, it’s another one Pelosi reading it.
She should have stuck with Yeats, as @Cyclefree could have told her.
Fucking morons the lot of them.
Happy St Patrick’s Day, all.
I think some allowance has to be made for very old people thinking Bono is quite the young hipster, helping them to connect with de yoot. Next up, Mick and the boys (the ones left alive) introduce Biden’s state of the union address.
No. No allowance
You would not grant Trump any latitude
This woman probably should not be in charge of a shopping cart, she is orders of magnitude incapable of running a superpower. It is embarrassing and scary that America is reduced to this, just as we tiptoe towards World War 3
Isn't it good news she isn't, then?
She's two heartbeats away from running the USA, and she has significant power in the Capitol
It's ridiculous. She's my sad demented aunty Lois on the sauce.
America, get a grip
Two heartbeats? If Biden dies, Harris appoints a new VP pretty quickly, no?
It’s one thing Bono writing that shit, it’s another one Pelosi reading it.
She should have stuck with Yeats, as @Cyclefree could have told her.
Fucking morons the lot of them.
Happy St Patrick’s Day, all.
I think some allowance has to be made for very old people thinking Bono is quite the young hipster, helping them to connect with de yoot. Next up, Mick and the boys (the ones left alive) introduce Biden’s state of the union address.
No. No allowance
You would not grant Trump any latitude
This woman probably should not be in charge of a shopping cart, she is orders of magnitude incapable of running a superpower. It is embarrassing and scary that America is reduced to this, just as we tiptoe towards World War 3
Isn't it good news she isn't, then?
She's two heartbeats away from running the USA, and she has significant power in the Capitol
It's ridiculous. She's my sad demented aunty Lois on the sauce.
America, get a grip
By January it will probably be GOP leader Kevin Mccarthy after the midterms who replaces Pelosi as Speaker and 3rd in line anyway.
Mccarthy is 57
A rare silver lining of a bunch of nutty fascists winning the election would be the average age in the US government going down slightly.
It’s one thing Bono writing that shit, it’s another one Pelosi reading it.
She should have stuck with Yeats, as @Cyclefree could have told her.
Fucking morons the lot of them.
Happy St Patrick’s Day, all.
I think some allowance has to be made for very old people thinking Bono is quite the young hipster, helping them to connect with de yoot. Next up, Mick and the boys (the ones left alive) introduce Biden’s state of the union address.
No. No allowance
You would not grant Trump any latitude
This woman probably should not be in charge of a shopping cart, she is orders of magnitude incapable of running a superpower. It is embarrassing and scary that America is reduced to this, just as we tiptoe towards World War 3
Isn't it good news she isn't, then?
She's two heartbeats away from running the USA, and she has significant power in the Capitol
It's ridiculous. She's my sad demented aunty Lois on the sauce.
America, get a grip
Two heartbeats? If Biden dies, Harris appoints a new VP pretty quickly, no?
It’s one thing Bono writing that shit, it’s another one Pelosi reading it.
She should have stuck with Yeats, as @Cyclefree could have told her.
Fucking morons the lot of them.
Happy St Patrick’s Day, all.
I think some allowance has to be made for very old people thinking Bono is quite the young hipster, helping them to connect with de yoot. Next up, Mick and the boys (the ones left alive) introduce Biden’s state of the union address.
No. No allowance
You would not grant Trump any latitude
This woman probably should not be in charge of a shopping cart, she is orders of magnitude incapable of running a superpower. It is embarrassing and scary that America is reduced to this, just as we tiptoe towards World War 3
Isn't it good news she isn't, then?
She's two heartbeats away from running the USA, and she has significant power in the Capitol
It's ridiculous. She's my sad demented aunty Lois on the sauce.
America, get a grip
By January it will probably be GOP leader Kevin Mccarthy after the midterms who replaces Pelosi as Speaker and 3rd in line anyway.
Mccarthy is 57
Thank fuck
I don't envy American voters. The Democrats are diseased and need to be hurled into oblivion for a decade to acquire more sense and better leaders. And yet, Trump and the GOP contrive to be worse?!
Maybe Putin and China are right. Democracy is fatally flawed
It's not a good time to be doubting the fundamentals of western freedom, but America is making me do that
It’s one thing Bono writing that shit, it’s another one Pelosi reading it.
She should have stuck with Yeats, as @Cyclefree could have told her.
Fucking morons the lot of them.
Happy St Patrick’s Day, all.
I think some allowance has to be made for very old people thinking Bono is quite the young hipster, helping them to connect with de yoot. Next up, Mick and the boys (the ones left alive) introduce Biden’s state of the union address.
No. No allowance
You would not grant Trump any latitude
This woman probably should not be in charge of a shopping cart, she is orders of magnitude incapable of running a superpower. It is embarrassing and scary that America is reduced to this, just as we tiptoe towards World War 3
Isn't it good news she isn't, then?
She's two heartbeats away from running the USA, and she has significant power in the Capitol
It's ridiculous. She's my sad demented aunty Lois on the sauce.
America, get a grip
By January it will probably be GOP leader Kevin Mccarthy after the midterms who replaces Pelosi as Speaker and 3rd in line anyway.
Mccarthy is 57
A rare silver lining of a bunch of nutty fascists winning the election would be the average age in the US government going down slightly.
Well...it's a faint silver lining.
Doesn't that just mean that we have to put up with them for longer?
It’s one thing Bono writing that shit, it’s another one Pelosi reading it.
She should have stuck with Yeats, as @Cyclefree could have told her.
Fucking morons the lot of them.
Happy St Patrick’s Day, all.
I think some allowance has to be made for very old people thinking Bono is quite the young hipster, helping them to connect with de yoot. Next up, Mick and the boys (the ones left alive) introduce Biden’s state of the union address.
No. No allowance
You would not grant Trump any latitude
This woman probably should not be in charge of a shopping cart, she is orders of magnitude incapable of running a superpower. It is embarrassing and scary that America is reduced to this, just as we tiptoe towards World War 3
Isn't it good news she isn't, then?
She's two heartbeats away from running the USA, and she has significant power in the Capitol
It's ridiculous. She's my sad demented aunty Lois on the sauce.
America, get a grip
By January it will probably be GOP leader Kevin Mccarthy after the midterms who replaces Pelosi as Speaker and 3rd in line anyway.
Mccarthy is 57
A rare silver lining of a bunch of nutty fascists winning the election would be the average age in the US government going down slightly.
Well...it's a faint silver lining.
Doesn't that just mean that we have to put up with them for longer?
It’s one thing Bono writing that shit, it’s another one Pelosi reading it.
She should have stuck with Yeats, as @Cyclefree could have told her.
Fucking morons the lot of them.
Happy St Patrick’s Day, all.
I think some allowance has to be made for very old people thinking Bono is quite the young hipster, helping them to connect with de yoot. Next up, Mick and the boys (the ones left alive) introduce Biden’s state of the union address.
No. No allowance
You would not grant Trump any latitude
This woman probably should not be in charge of a shopping cart, she is orders of magnitude incapable of running a superpower. It is embarrassing and scary that America is reduced to this, just as we tiptoe towards World War 3
Isn't it good news she isn't, then?
She's two heartbeats away from running the USA, and she has significant power in the Capitol
It's ridiculous. She's my sad demented aunty Lois on the sauce.
America, get a grip
By January it will probably be GOP leader Kevin Mccarthy after the midterms who replaces Pelosi as Speaker and 3rd in line anyway.
Mccarthy is 57
Thank fuck
I don't envy American voters. The Democrats are diseased and need to be hurled into oblivion for a decade to acquire more sense and better leaders. And yet, Trump and the GOP contrive to be worse?!
Maybe Putin and China are right. Democracy is fatally flawed
It's not a good time to be doubting the fundamentals of western freedom, but America is making me do that
Sod off to Russia then and live under the regime of your hero Putin!
It’s one thing Bono writing that shit, it’s another one Pelosi reading it.
She should have stuck with Yeats, as @Cyclefree could have told her.
Fucking morons the lot of them.
Happy St Patrick’s Day, all.
I think some allowance has to be made for very old people thinking Bono is quite the young hipster, helping them to connect with de yoot. Next up, Mick and the boys (the ones left alive) introduce Biden’s state of the union address.
No. No allowance
You would not grant Trump any latitude
This woman probably should not be in charge of a shopping cart, she is orders of magnitude incapable of running a superpower. It is embarrassing and scary that America is reduced to this, just as we tiptoe towards World War 3
Isn't it good news she isn't, then?
She's two heartbeats away from running the USA, and she has significant power in the Capitol
It's ridiculous. She's my sad demented aunty Lois on the sauce.
America, get a grip
By January it will probably be GOP leader Kevin Mccarthy after the midterms who replaces Pelosi as Speaker and 3rd in line anyway.
Mccarthy is 57
Thank fuck
I don't envy American voters. The Democrats are diseased and need to be hurled into oblivion for a decade to acquire more sense and better leaders. And yet, Trump and the GOP contrive to be worse?!
Maybe Putin and China are right. Democracy is fatally flawed
It's not a good time to be doubting the fundamentals of western freedom, but America is making me do that
Sod off to Russia then and live under the regime of your hero Putin!
Interesting article on a battle in Ukraine at end of week 1:
Russia’s rapid thrust into Voznesensk was meant to showcase its military prowess. Instead, the Ukrainian town dealt Russian forces one of the most humiliating defeats of the war. My report from the battlefield where Russian bodies are still being collected https://t.co/bZf1ZmDRDK
It’s one thing Bono writing that shit, it’s another one Pelosi reading it.
She should have stuck with Yeats, as @Cyclefree could have told her.
Fucking morons the lot of them.
Happy St Patrick’s Day, all.
I think some allowance has to be made for very old people thinking Bono is quite the young hipster, helping them to connect with de yoot. Next up, Mick and the boys (the ones left alive) introduce Biden’s state of the union address.
No. No allowance
You would not grant Trump any latitude
This woman probably should not be in charge of a shopping cart, she is orders of magnitude incapable of running a superpower. It is embarrassing and scary that America is reduced to this, just as we tiptoe towards World War 3
Isn't it good news she isn't, then?
She's two heartbeats away from running the USA, and she has significant power in the Capitol
It's ridiculous. She's my sad demented aunty Lois on the sauce.
America, get a grip
Two heartbeats? If Biden dies, Harris appoints a new VP pretty quickly, no?
Has to be ratified by the Senate first I believe.
Yes fair point. Passed by a majority of both houses. Mind you if Harris was POTUS and Pelosinext in line, I suspect Republicans might fall into line pretty quickly.
It’s one thing Bono writing that shit, it’s another one Pelosi reading it.
She should have stuck with Yeats, as @Cyclefree could have told her.
Fucking morons the lot of them.
Happy St Patrick’s Day, all.
I think some allowance has to be made for very old people thinking Bono is quite the young hipster, helping them to connect with de yoot. Next up, Mick and the boys (the ones left alive) introduce Biden’s state of the union address.
No. No allowance
You would not grant Trump any latitude
This woman probably should not be in charge of a shopping cart, she is orders of magnitude incapable of running a superpower. It is embarrassing and scary that America is reduced to this, just as we tiptoe towards World War 3
Isn't it good news she isn't, then?
She's two heartbeats away from running the USA, and she has significant power in the Capitol
It's ridiculous. She's my sad demented aunty Lois on the sauce.
America, get a grip
By January it will probably be GOP leader Kevin Mccarthy after the midterms who replaces Pelosi as Speaker and 3rd in line anyway.
Mccarthy is 57
A rare silver lining of a bunch of nutty fascists winning the election would be the average age in the US government going down slightly.
Well...it's a faint silver lining.
Doesn't that just mean that we have to put up with them for longer?
Bollocks. Silver lining disappears.
This cartoon popped up in my social media. I thought it might amuse:
It’s one thing Bono writing that shit, it’s another one Pelosi reading it.
She should have stuck with Yeats, as @Cyclefree could have told her.
Fucking morons the lot of them.
Happy St Patrick’s Day, all.
I think some allowance has to be made for very old people thinking Bono is quite the young hipster, helping them to connect with de yoot. Next up, Mick and the boys (the ones left alive) introduce Biden’s state of the union address.
No. No allowance
You would not grant Trump any latitude
This woman probably should not be in charge of a shopping cart, she is orders of magnitude incapable of running a superpower. It is embarrassing and scary that America is reduced to this, just as we tiptoe towards World War 3
Isn't it good news she isn't, then?
She's two heartbeats away from running the USA, and she has significant power in the Capitol
It's ridiculous. She's my sad demented aunty Lois on the sauce.
America, get a grip
By January it will probably be GOP leader Kevin Mccarthy after the midterms who replaces Pelosi as Speaker and 3rd in line anyway.
Mccarthy is 57
Thank fuck
I don't envy American voters. The Democrats are diseased and need to be hurled into oblivion for a decade to acquire more sense and better leaders. And yet, Trump and the GOP contrive to be worse?!
Maybe Putin and China are right. Democracy is fatally flawed
It's not a good time to be doubting the fundamentals of western freedom, but America is making me do that
By 2025 you never know 42 year old President Buttigieg could be giving his State of the Union Address in front of 59 year old Speaker Mccarthy.
Both under 60, let alone under 80 unlike Pelosi and (nearly) Biden. Putin is 69 and Xi 68
Laura Kuenssberg Translator @BBCLauraKT BREAKING: There is a 99.9% chance that when Boris Johnson attended the Lebedev party "with girls" that he was compromised and Russia has the video footage. This theory would explain sooo much lol x
Although Corbyn hanging out with a lot of demented anti-semites hasn't damaged him (at least, not in your eyes) so why should Johnson be compromised by photographs of him with girls?
Its a parody account and its called satire.
Before today you would have been happy to call Laura Murray a demented anti semite presumably.
I believe Seamus Milne has a case against the Mail coming up soon too if you want to chance your arm
I have no doubt - and I do mean no doubt - that if Adolf hitler had successfully sued someone for libelling him as an anti semite in 1936, you would have been marching along behind him shouting In your face! You want some, 4 x 2 lover?
Obviously there is no parallel at all, what with Jezza's obvious and undisputed non anti semitism, but I thought I'd say that anyway.
A minor point but were there any laws against being an antisemite anywhere before WWII? Afaics it was absolutely rife, to the point of it being more likely that a punter might think they were being libelled if accused of being excessively fond of Jews.
It’s one thing Bono writing that shit, it’s another one Pelosi reading it.
She should have stuck with Yeats, as @Cyclefree could have told her.
Fucking morons the lot of them.
Happy St Patrick’s Day, all.
I think some allowance has to be made for very old people thinking Bono is quite the young hipster, helping them to connect with de yoot. Next up, Mick and the boys (the ones left alive) introduce Biden’s state of the union address.
No. No allowance
You would not grant Trump any latitude
This woman probably should not be in charge of a shopping cart, she is orders of magnitude incapable of running a superpower. It is embarrassing and scary that America is reduced to this, just as we tiptoe towards World War 3
Isn't it good news she isn't, then?
She's two heartbeats away from running the USA, and she has significant power in the Capitol
It's ridiculous. She's my sad demented aunty Lois on the sauce.
America, get a grip
By January it will probably be GOP leader Kevin Mccarthy after the midterms who replaces Pelosi as Speaker and 3rd in line anyway.
Mccarthy is 57
A rare silver lining of a bunch of nutty fascists winning the election would be the average age in the US government going down slightly.
Well...it's a faint silver lining.
Doesn't that just mean that we have to put up with them for longer?
Bollocks. Silver lining disappears.
This cartoon popped up in my social media. I thought it might amuse:
Particularly if they're obsessively wrong about it
If the rumours are true, then he wouldn't be the first Prime Minister to have an awkward godparent situation. Wendi Deng let slip that Tony Blair was godfather to one of Murdoch's daughters. David Cameron remained unhelpfully tied to Michael Gove for years after their bust-up because Sarah Vine is godmother to one of his.
So just a heads up to Boris that he might want to get prepping his lines if he's ever made Evgeny Lebedev an offer to become the spiritual guardian to one of his many, many children. Because one of the broadsheets is currently investigating a claim that he has.
If they'd been good Presbyterians life would be so much simpler.
Murdoch's children had Roman Catholic baptisms, his wife being a Catholic. He also has a Papal Knighthood. His mother was Jewish. His grandfather was even a Presbyterian minister. Johnson is also now a Roman Catholic.
Only Cameron is Church of England
I don't think there is any evidence that Boris is RC except in the sense of having been baptised in it. He was, according to Wiki, confirmed C o E. I sense that he is is religiously protean, as are lots of people.
A remarkable number have been clearly practising Christian: May, Brown, Blair, Heath. Cameron : classic public school Christian. Major: vague. Thatcher: uniquely hand bag toting non conformist. Callaghan: Baptist. Wilson: No idea.
TBF not many would have been Muslim, Jedi Knight, or Pagan over that timescale and given their ages at attaining office. Or Quaker or Plymouth Brethren, albeit for rather different reasons.
If the rumours are true, then he wouldn't be the first Prime Minister to have an awkward godparent situation. Wendi Deng let slip that Tony Blair was godfather to one of Murdoch's daughters. David Cameron remained unhelpfully tied to Michael Gove for years after their bust-up because Sarah Vine is godmother to one of his.
So just a heads up to Boris that he might want to get prepping his lines if he's ever made Evgeny Lebedev an offer to become the spiritual guardian to one of his many, many children. Because one of the broadsheets is currently investigating a claim that he has.
If they'd been good Presbyterians life would be so much simpler.
Murdoch's children had Roman Catholic baptisms, his wife being a Catholic. He also has a Papal Knighthood. His mother was Jewish. His grandfather was even a Presbyterian minister. Johnson is also now a Roman Catholic.
Only Cameron is Church of England
I don't think there is any evidence that Boris is RC except in the sense of having been baptised in it. He was, according to Wiki, confirmed C o E. I sense that he is is religiously protean, as are lots of people.
A remarkable number have been clearly practising Christian: May, Brown, Blair, Heath. Cameron : classic public school Christian. Major: vague. Thatcher: uniquely hand bag toting non conformist. Callaghan: Baptist. Wilson: No idea.
TBF not many would have been Muslim, Jedi Knight, or Pagan over that timescale and given their ages at attaining office. Or Quaker or Plymouth Brethren, albeit for rather different reasons.
We will never have a Jedi Prime Minister. Our constitution forbids the use of Force.
Are the stories of P&OF being 40% owned by an oligarch true?
I couldn't find any evidence of that. All seems to be in Dubai.
They had a joint venture with Rusatom (for nuclear ice breakers) and the RDIF both of which are basically the Kremlin. That part might be 40% Russian owned, but probably not the whole business.
It’s one thing Bono writing that shit, it’s another one Pelosi reading it.
She should have stuck with Yeats, as @Cyclefree could have told her.
Fucking morons the lot of them.
Happy St Patrick’s Day, all.
I think some allowance has to be made for very old people thinking Bono is quite the young hipster, helping them to connect with de yoot. Next up, Mick and the boys (the ones left alive) introduce Biden’s state of the union address.
No. No allowance
You would not grant Trump any latitude
This woman probably should not be in charge of a shopping cart, she is orders of magnitude incapable of running a superpower. It is embarrassing and scary that America is reduced to this, just as we tiptoe towards World War 3
Isn't it good news she isn't, then?
She's two heartbeats away from running the USA, and she has significant power in the Capitol
It's ridiculous. She's my sad demented aunty Lois on the sauce.
America, get a grip
By January it will probably be GOP leader Kevin Mccarthy after the midterms who replaces Pelosi as Speaker and 3rd in line anyway.
Mccarthy is 57
Thank fuck
I don't envy American voters. The Democrats are diseased and need to be hurled into oblivion for a decade to acquire more sense and better leaders. And yet, Trump and the GOP contrive to be worse?!
Maybe Putin and China are right. Democracy is fatally flawed
It's not a good time to be doubting the fundamentals of western freedom, but America is making me do that
Sod off to Russia then and live under the regime of your hero Putin!
If the rumours are true, then he wouldn't be the first Prime Minister to have an awkward godparent situation. Wendi Deng let slip that Tony Blair was godfather to one of Murdoch's daughters. David Cameron remained unhelpfully tied to Michael Gove for years after their bust-up because Sarah Vine is godmother to one of his.
So just a heads up to Boris that he might want to get prepping his lines if he's ever made Evgeny Lebedev an offer to become the spiritual guardian to one of his many, many children. Because one of the broadsheets is currently investigating a claim that he has.
If they'd been good Presbyterians life would be so much simpler.
Murdoch's children had Roman Catholic baptisms, his wife being a Catholic. He also has a Papal Knighthood. His mother was Jewish. His grandfather was even a Presbyterian minister. Johnson is also now a Roman Catholic.
Only Cameron is Church of England
I don't think there is any evidence that Boris is RC except in the sense of having been baptised in it. He was, according to Wiki, confirmed C o E. I sense that he is is religiously protean, as are lots of people.
A remarkable number have been clearly practising Christian: May, Brown, Blair, Heath. Cameron : classic public school Christian. Major: vague. Thatcher: uniquely hand bag toting non conformist. Callaghan: Baptist. Wilson: No idea.
TBF not many would have been Muslim, Jedi Knight, or Pagan over that timescale and given their ages at attaining office. Or Quaker or Plymouth Brethren, albeit for rather different reasons.
Nixon was President of the US in the early 1970s and came from a Quaker family
If the rumours are true, then he wouldn't be the first Prime Minister to have an awkward godparent situation. Wendi Deng let slip that Tony Blair was godfather to one of Murdoch's daughters. David Cameron remained unhelpfully tied to Michael Gove for years after their bust-up because Sarah Vine is godmother to one of his.
So just a heads up to Boris that he might want to get prepping his lines if he's ever made Evgeny Lebedev an offer to become the spiritual guardian to one of his many, many children. Because one of the broadsheets is currently investigating a claim that he has.
If they'd been good Presbyterians life would be so much simpler.
Murdoch's children had Roman Catholic baptisms, his wife being a Catholic. He also has a Papal Knighthood. His mother was Jewish. His grandfather was even a Presbyterian minister. Johnson is also now a Roman Catholic.
Only Cameron is Church of England
I don't think there is any evidence that Boris is RC except in the sense of having been baptised in it. He was, according to Wiki, confirmed C o E. I sense that he is is religiously protean, as are lots of people.
A remarkable number have been clearly practising Christian: May, Brown, Blair, Heath. Cameron : classic public school Christian. Major: vague. Thatcher: uniquely hand bag toting non conformist. Callaghan: Baptist. Wilson: No idea.
TBF not many would have been Muslim, Jedi Knight, or Pagan over that timescale and given their ages at attaining office. Or Quaker or Plymouth Brethren, albeit for rather different reasons.
We will never have a Jedi Prime Minister. Our constitution forbids the use of Force.
Good night.
These are not the Ministers you are looking for...
If the rumours are true, then he wouldn't be the first Prime Minister to have an awkward godparent situation. Wendi Deng let slip that Tony Blair was godfather to one of Murdoch's daughters. David Cameron remained unhelpfully tied to Michael Gove for years after their bust-up because Sarah Vine is godmother to one of his.
So just a heads up to Boris that he might want to get prepping his lines if he's ever made Evgeny Lebedev an offer to become the spiritual guardian to one of his many, many children. Because one of the broadsheets is currently investigating a claim that he has.
If they'd been good Presbyterians life would be so much simpler.
Murdoch's children had Roman Catholic baptisms, his wife being a Catholic. He also has a Papal Knighthood. His mother was Jewish. His grandfather was even a Presbyterian minister. Johnson is also now a Roman Catholic.
Only Cameron is Church of England
I don't think there is any evidence that Boris is RC except in the sense of having been baptised in it. He was, according to Wiki, confirmed C o E. I sense that he is is religiously protean, as are lots of people.
A remarkable number have been clearly practising Christian: May, Brown, Blair, Heath. Cameron : classic public school Christian. Major: vague. Thatcher: uniquely hand bag toting non conformist. Callaghan: Baptist. Wilson: No idea.
TBF not many would have been Muslim, Jedi Knight, or Pagan over that timescale and given their ages at attaining office. Or Quaker or Plymouth Brethren, albeit for rather different reasons.
Nixon was President of the US in the early 1970s and came from a Quaker family
It’s one thing Bono writing that shit, it’s another one Pelosi reading it.
She should have stuck with Yeats, as @Cyclefree could have told her.
Fucking morons the lot of them.
Happy St Patrick’s Day, all.
I think some allowance has to be made for very old people thinking Bono is quite the young hipster, helping them to connect with de yoot. Next up, Mick and the boys (the ones left alive) introduce Biden’s state of the union address.
No. No allowance
You would not grant Trump any latitude
This woman probably should not be in charge of a shopping cart, she is orders of magnitude incapable of running a superpower. It is embarrassing and scary that America is reduced to this, just as we tiptoe towards World War 3
Isn't it good news she isn't, then?
She's two heartbeats away from running the USA, and she has significant power in the Capitol
It's ridiculous. She's my sad demented aunty Lois on the sauce.
America, get a grip
By January it will probably be GOP leader Kevin Mccarthy after the midterms who replaces Pelosi as Speaker and 3rd in line anyway.
Mccarthy is 57
Thank fuck
I don't envy American voters. The Democrats are diseased and need to be hurled into oblivion for a decade to acquire more sense and better leaders. And yet, Trump and the GOP contrive to be worse?!
Maybe Putin and China are right. Democracy is fatally flawed
It's not a good time to be doubting the fundamentals of western freedom, but America is making me do that
By 2025 you never know 42 year old President Buttigieg could be giving his State of the Union Address in front of 59 year old Speaker Mccarthy.
Both under 60, let alone under 80 unlike Pelosi and (nearly) Biden. Putin is 69 and Xi 68
So having done a bit more reading the P&O ferries move feels like Ronald Reagan sacking the unionised air traffic controllers, just handled very poorly.
One day I do wonder whether a future London Mayor will take on the RMT and bankrupt TfL as a way to restructure all contracts and actually make the network sustainable.
If the rumours are true, then he wouldn't be the first Prime Minister to have an awkward godparent situation. Wendi Deng let slip that Tony Blair was godfather to one of Murdoch's daughters. David Cameron remained unhelpfully tied to Michael Gove for years after their bust-up because Sarah Vine is godmother to one of his.
So just a heads up to Boris that he might want to get prepping his lines if he's ever made Evgeny Lebedev an offer to become the spiritual guardian to one of his many, many children. Because one of the broadsheets is currently investigating a claim that he has.
If they'd been good Presbyterians life would be so much simpler.
Murdoch's children had Roman Catholic baptisms, his wife being a Catholic. He also has a Papal Knighthood. His mother was Jewish. His grandfather was even a Presbyterian minister. Johnson is also now a Roman Catholic.
Only Cameron is Church of England
I don't think there is any evidence that Boris is RC except in the sense of having been baptised in it. He was, according to Wiki, confirmed C o E. I sense that he is is religiously protean, as are lots of people.
A remarkable number have been clearly practising Christian: May, Brown, Blair, Heath. Cameron : classic public school Christian. Major: vague. Thatcher: uniquely hand bag toting non conformist. Callaghan: Baptist. Wilson: No idea.
TBF not many would have been Muslim, Jedi Knight, or Pagan over that timescale and given their ages at attaining office. Or Quaker or Plymouth Brethren, albeit for rather different reasons.
Nixon was President of the US in the early 1970s and came from a Quaker family
Whereas it was JFK who had a reputation for getting his oats.
Took a massive pair of bolt cutters to remove him.
He then flopped to the floor and needed like six stewards/rozzers to carry him off.
Also, another Evertonian tried to get to him to give him a bollocking.
Lol
What a bellend. Hope he doesn’t ‘fall down the stairs’
I’m just totally enlightened - I don’t know why we didn’t listen to him and his fellow travellers earlier. It’s so simple, no war, no environmental damage, nothing. We just need to “stop oil”.
I imagine the back of his t-shirt explains fully what we replace it with?
Took a massive pair of bolt cutters to remove him.
He then flopped to the floor and needed like six stewards/rozzers to carry him off.
Also, another Evertonian tried to get to him to give him a bollocking.
Lol
What a bellend. Hope he doesn’t ‘fall down the stairs’
I’m just totally enlightened - I don’t know why we didn’t listen to him and his fellow travellers earlier. It’s so simple, no war, no environmental damage, nothing. We just need to “stop oil”.
I imagine the back of his t-shirt explains fully what we replace it with?
From the BBC, this story is oddly framed. The city is under occupation, but shouldn't the BBC still call him the mayor, not the ex-mayor? The former mayor of Melitopol - now under Russian control - has been speaking out about his alleged kidnapping and detention by Russian forces.
Ivan Federov led the south-eastern city until it fell to invading Russian forces early on and he was kidnapped six days ago.
He was freed on Wednesday after Ukraine said it had agreed to exchange nine captured Russian soldiers to get him back.
Speaking to the BBC's Audrey Brown, Federov said Russian troops took him from his office without a word and he had no connection with the outside world while in their custody.
He said he was kept in a small room with armed soldiers but was never physically harmed.
Occupying forces in Melitopol have replaced Federov with their own mayor.
But the ex-mayor insists his successor is not the rightful head of the local government, as he was voted in by more than 60% of people.
If the rumours are true, then he wouldn't be the first Prime Minister to have an awkward godparent situation. Wendi Deng let slip that Tony Blair was godfather to one of Murdoch's daughters. David Cameron remained unhelpfully tied to Michael Gove for years after their bust-up because Sarah Vine is godmother to one of his.
So just a heads up to Boris that he might want to get prepping his lines if he's ever made Evgeny Lebedev an offer to become the spiritual guardian to one of his many, many children. Because one of the broadsheets is currently investigating a claim that he has.
If they'd been good Presbyterians life would be so much simpler.
Murdoch's children had Roman Catholic baptisms, his wife being a Catholic. He also has a Papal Knighthood. His mother was Jewish. His grandfather was even a Presbyterian minister. Johnson is also now a Roman Catholic.
Only Cameron is Church of England
I don't think there is any evidence that Boris is RC except in the sense of having been baptised in it. He was, according to Wiki, confirmed C o E. I sense that he is is religiously protean, as are lots of people.
A remarkable number have been clearly practising Christian: May, Brown, Blair, Heath. Cameron : classic public school Christian. Major: vague. Thatcher: uniquely hand bag toting non conformist. Callaghan: Baptist. Wilson: No idea.
TBF not many would have been Muslim, Jedi Knight, or Pagan over that timescale and given their ages at attaining office. Or Quaker or Plymouth Brethren, albeit for rather different reasons.
Nixon was President of the US in the early 1970s and came from a Quaker family
Yes, the US. Not the UK.
Jim Hacker was a Quaker and lifelong pacifist. Well Paul Eddington anyway.
With this knowledge, this scene is worth rewatching.
It’s one thing Bono writing that shit, it’s another one Pelosi reading it.
She should have stuck with Yeats, as @Cyclefree could have told her.
Fucking morons the lot of them.
Happy St Patrick’s Day, all.
I think some allowance has to be made for very old people thinking Bono is quite the young hipster, helping them to connect with de yoot. Next up, Mick and the boys (the ones left alive) introduce Biden’s state of the union address.
No. No allowance
You would not grant Trump any latitude
This woman probably should not be in charge of a shopping cart, she is orders of magnitude incapable of running a superpower. It is embarrassing and scary that America is reduced to this, just as we tiptoe towards World War 3
Isn't it good news she isn't, then?
She's two heartbeats away from running the USA, and she has significant power in the Capitol
It's ridiculous. She's my sad demented aunty Lois on the sauce.
America, get a grip
By January it will probably be GOP leader Kevin Mccarthy after the midterms who replaces Pelosi as Speaker and 3rd in line anyway.
Mccarthy is 57
A rare silver lining of a bunch of nutty fascists winning the election would be the average age in the US government going down slightly.
Well...it's a faint silver lining.
Doesn't that just mean that we have to put up with them for longer?
Bollocks. Silver lining disappears.
As The Master (no, not that one) put it;
It's no good whining About a silver lining For we know from experience that they won't roll by
So having done a bit more reading the P&O ferries move feels like Ronald Reagan sacking the unionised air traffic controllers, just handled very poorly.
One day I do wonder whether a future London Mayor will take on the RMT and bankrupt TfL as a way to restructure all contracts and actually make the network sustainable.
Took a massive pair of bolt cutters to remove him.
He then flopped to the floor and needed like six stewards/rozzers to carry him off.
Also, another Evertonian tried to get to him to give him a bollocking.
Lol
What a bellend. Hope he doesn’t ‘fall down the stairs’
I’m just totally enlightened - I don’t know why we didn’t listen to him and his fellow travellers earlier. It’s so simple, no war, no environmental damage, nothing. We just need to “stop oil”.
I imagine the back of his t-shirt explains fully what we replace it with?
Took a massive pair of bolt cutters to remove him.
He then flopped to the floor and needed like six stewards/rozzers to carry him off.
Also, another Evertonian tried to get to him to give him a bollocking.
Lol
What a bellend. Hope he doesn’t ‘fall down the stairs’
I’m just totally enlightened - I don’t know why we didn’t listen to him and his fellow travellers earlier. It’s so simple, no war, no environmental damage, nothing. We just need to “stop oil”.
I imagine the back of his t-shirt explains fully what we replace it with?
Love?
I wonder how he got to the ground?
Hitched a ride. Ass, grass or cash.
Why not just leave him there? Finish the game, everyone leaves, turn out the lights etc. He could stay there all night.....
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Inspired by @Richard_Tyndall who signed up a few days ago and after much consideration we've decided to do the same. Very straightforward registration form.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9FGxAt1cKw
He hasn't even nuked anywhere to avoid losing a War yet.
The Evening Standard was an unfailing political supporter of Boris, and Lebedev managed to secure a peerage out of it.
It’s very smelly, but it is a story of Boris’s petty corruption and woeful inability to prioritise matters of state, rather than anything else.
Would 13 week's pay leave many of them unable to claim Universal Credit?
Strange to think that would not happen at this time
A remarkable number have been clearly practising Christian: May, Brown, Blair, Heath. Cameron : classic public school Christian. Major: vague. Thatcher: uniquely hand bag toting non conformist. Callaghan: Baptist. Wilson: No idea.
That said, our employment laws are a joke. Even Iran has more rigorous employment laws than we do, which is saying quite something.
Nearly happened at the Emirates last night.
Edit - Fucking eco warrior.
Source.https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/belief/2010/feb/09/prime-ministers-religion-god
what big business find expedient at any given momentless rigorous than on the mainland.But that then begs the question - how would this be lawful? No consultation. No notification. No consideration of alternatives. Violence used to enforce it.
P+O Ferries may just have made the cockup of their lives.
I almost thought we might have scored.
Just as @cyclefree wants all men to call out mysogeny when they see it, and not passively tolerate bad behaviour, all people wanted from the labour leader was not to keep turning a blind eye to anti semites, and not going and laying wreaths at the tombs of anti Semitic terrorists. Not too much to ask?
https://youtu.be/lEjEGbAFzJU
https://twitter.com/Andrew_Heaton/status/1504561719565295621
Took a massive pair of bolt cutters to remove him.
He then flopped to the floor and needed like six stewards/rozzers to carry him off.
Also, another Evertonian tried to get to him to give him a bollocking.
The actions are happening in the UK and so the UK should be ensuring this isn’t happening in their territory.
Unfortunately people assume Jersey and other Crown dependencies are a Wild West - the irony is that it’s a million times harder to open a bank account in these places than the UK or to set up a company etc than the UK but a very easy target by the uninformed.
That is, he conflates them in his mind with things he dislikes - Israel, money, the media - and assumes 'Jews' are a bad thing. Which might explain why he says and does so many things that could be anti-Semitic and yet seems to have no personal problem with individuals who are Jewish (well, not for that reason).
https://www.lavoixdunord.fr/1153834/article/2022-03-17/transmanche-po-ferries-arrete-le-trafic-dans-l-attente-d-une-annonce-sur-son
What a bellend. Hope he doesn’t ‘fall down the stairs’
A Jewish woman passionately defended him to me once, and told me in no uncertain terms that the anti semitism claims against him were a fabrication. Personally I think there is evidence of criminal stupidity in this area from him, and the mural incident in particular is damning, but if she cleared him of anti semitism then I'm not minded to convict.
But somehow, they seem to have circumvented UK employment law. How, we don't yet know.
The truly ironic part would be if they thought they'd done it via the Channel Isles and got clobbered in a court there instead...
Before today you would have been happy to call Laura Murray a demented anti semite presumably.
I believe Seamus Milne has a case against the Mail coming up soon too if you want to chance your arm
If it'd been Dubravka's nobody would have noticed.
Always thinking.
I imagine the back of his t-shirt explains fully what we replace it with?
You would not grant Trump any latitude
This woman probably should not be in charge of a shopping cart, she is orders of magnitude incapable of running a superpower. It is embarrassing and scary that America is reduced to this, just as we tiptoe towards World War 3
Starmer is an atheist (though with a Jewish wife) and would be the first atheist PM since Callaghan, despite his Baptist background (Foot, Kinnock and Ed Miliband were also atheists but lost the general elections they fought).
The only current Church of England Anglican party leader is actually Ed Davey for the LDs
It's ridiculous. She's my sad demented aunty Lois on the sauce.
America, get a grip
Obviously there is no parallel at all, what with Jezza's obvious and undisputed non anti semitism, but I thought I'd say that anyway.
Mccarthy is 57
Well...it's a faint silver lining.
I don't envy American voters. The Democrats are diseased and need to be hurled into oblivion for a decade to acquire more sense and better leaders. And yet, Trump and the GOP contrive to be worse?!
Maybe Putin and China are right. Democracy is fatally flawed
It's not a good time to be doubting the fundamentals of western freedom, but America is making me do that
Russia’s rapid thrust into Voznesensk was meant to showcase its military prowess. Instead, the Ukrainian town dealt Russian forces one of the most humiliating defeats of the war. My report from the battlefield where Russian bodies are still being collected https://t.co/bZf1ZmDRDK
Yes fair point. Passed by a majority of both houses. Mind you if Harris was POTUS and Pelosinext in line, I suspect Republicans might fall into line pretty quickly.
Both under 60, let alone under 80 unlike Pelosi and (nearly) Biden. Putin is 69 and Xi 68
Iwobi scores!
https://twitter.com/bobscartoons/status/1504542582424150032?s=20&t=cdjq3UwAI94JpNDloRINqA
Good night.
Orwell would indeed have been surprised to find history outpacing his speculative fiction
One day I do wonder whether a future London Mayor will take on the RMT and bankrupt TfL as a way to restructure all contracts and actually make the network sustainable.
The former mayor of Melitopol - now under Russian control - has been speaking out about his alleged kidnapping and detention by Russian forces.
Ivan Federov led the south-eastern city until it fell to invading Russian forces early on and he was kidnapped six days ago.
He was freed on Wednesday after Ukraine said it had agreed to exchange nine captured Russian soldiers to get him back.
Speaking to the BBC's Audrey Brown, Federov said Russian troops took him from his office without a word and he had no connection with the outside world while in their custody.
He said he was kept in a small room with armed soldiers but was never physically harmed.
Occupying forces in Melitopol have replaced Federov with their own mayor.
But the ex-mayor insists his successor is not the rightful head of the local government, as he was voted in by more than 60% of people.
With this knowledge, this scene is worth rewatching.
https://youtu.be/P7YR6WICIAI
It's no good whining
About a silver lining
For we know from experience that they won't roll by
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homes_for_votes_scandal
Blooming hell, I'm getting old.