I see the workers are finding out what global buccaneering Britain is all about, and why they need a decent union.
Would being in the EU have made any difference though? Happy to be shown I’m wrong about that.
I took Foxy to mean trade union…
Correct.
Well yebbut "global buccaneering Britain" is an implied ref to EU membership, no?
No, it is the style of Brexit. There are others, that actually do protect the workers and farmers rather than shaft them for a quick buck.
Would being in the EU have made a difference?
I believe there would have been a compulsory consultation period. More important though is a government that believes protection of workers is not just red tape.
I think there still is, hence the ‘offer’ is 13 weeks pay in lieu of this. I hate what they are doing, but I don’t see evidence that the ability to do it is linked to Brexit. Happy to be shown I’m wrong, genuinely.
It is all part of the shafting of the working class brexit voters by the free marketeering Brexiteers.
I see the workers are finding out what global buccaneering Britain is all about, and why they need a decent union.
Would being in the EU have made any difference though? Happy to be shown I’m wrong about that.
I took Foxy to mean trade union…
Correct.
Well yebbut "global buccaneering Britain" is an implied ref to EU membership, no?
No, it is the style of Brexit. There are others, that actually do protect the workers and farmers rather than shaft them for a quick buck.
Would being in the EU have made a difference?
I believe there would have been a compulsory consultation period. More important though is a government that believes protection of workers is not just red tape.
I think there still is, hence the ‘offer’ is 13 weeks pay in lieu of this. I hate what they are doing, but I don’t see evidence that the ability to do it is linked to Brexit. Happy to be shown I’m wrong, genuinely.
It is all part of the shafting of the working class brexit voters by the free marketeering Brexiteers.
I see the workers are finding out what global buccaneering Britain is all about, and why they need a decent union.
Would being in the EU have made any difference though? Happy to be shown I’m wrong about that.
I took Foxy to mean trade union…
Correct.
Well yebbut "global buccaneering Britain" is an implied ref to EU membership, no?
No, it is the style of Brexit. There are others, that actually do protect the workers and farmers rather than shaft them for a quick buck.
Would being in the EU have made a difference?
I believe there would have been a compulsory consultation period. More important though is a government that believes protection of workers is not just red tape.
I think there still is, hence the ‘offer’ is 13 weeks pay in lieu of this. I hate what they are doing, but I don’t see evidence that the ability to do it is linked to Brexit. Happy to be shown I’m wrong, genuinely.
It is all part of the shafting of the working class brexit voters by the free marketeering Brexiteers.
I see the workers are finding out what global buccaneering Britain is all about, and why they need a decent union.
Would being in the EU have made any difference though? Happy to be shown I’m wrong about that.
I took Foxy to mean trade union…
Correct.
Well yebbut "global buccaneering Britain" is an implied ref to EU membership, no?
No, it is the style of Brexit. There are others, that actually do protect the workers and farmers rather than shaft them for a quick buck.
Would being in the EU have made a difference?
I believe there would have been a compulsory consultation period. More important though is a government that believes protection of workers is not just red tape.
I think there still is, hence the ‘offer’ is 13 weeks pay in lieu of this. I hate what they are doing, but I don’t see evidence that the ability to do it is linked to Brexit. Happy to be shown I’m wrong, genuinely.
It is all part of the shafting of the working class brexit voters by the free marketeering Brexiteers.
I see the workers are finding out what global buccaneering Britain is all about, and why they need a decent union.
Would being in the EU have made any difference though? Happy to be shown I’m wrong about that.
I took Foxy to mean trade union…
Correct.
Well yebbut "global buccaneering Britain" is an implied ref to EU membership, no?
No, it is the style of Brexit. There are others, that actually do protect the workers and farmers rather than shaft them for a quick buck.
Would being in the EU have made a difference?
I believe there would have been a compulsory consultation period. More important though is a government that believes protection of workers is not just red tape.
I think there still is, hence the ‘offer’ is 13 weeks pay in lieu of this. I hate what they are doing, but I don’t see evidence that the ability to do it is linked to Brexit. Happy to be shown I’m wrong, genuinely.
It is all part of the shafting of the working class brexit voters by the free marketeering Brexiteers.
Are you really claiming that fire and rehire sprung up after Brexit or that it only happens in the UK? Companies do it all over the world and the employees should refuse to be rehired and force the company onto the open market.
I think @Flatlander may have had a point earlier. This P+O thing could have been perfectly designed by an enemy State. Cuts off a vital transport link. Sympathy for Union action. Boosts inflation. Causes public discontent. Distracts government and media. Who made this decision? And who, exactly, are these agency crews? IANAL. Is it legal to handcuff people?
I see the workers are finding out what global buccaneering Britain is all about, and why they need a decent union.
Would being in the EU have made any difference though? Happy to be shown I’m wrong about that.
I took Foxy to mean trade union…
Correct.
Well yebbut "global buccaneering Britain" is an implied ref to EU membership, no?
No, it is the style of Brexit. There are others, that actually do protect the workers and farmers rather than shaft them for a quick buck.
Would being in the EU have made a difference?
I believe there would have been a compulsory consultation period. More important though is a government that believes protection of workers is not just red tape.
I think there still is, hence the ‘offer’ is 13 weeks pay in lieu of this. I hate what they are doing, but I don’t see evidence that the ability to do it is linked to Brexit. Happy to be shown I’m wrong, genuinely.
It is all part of the shafting of the working class brexit voters by the free marketeering Brexiteers.
Are you really claiming that fire and rehire sprung up after Brexit or that it only happens in the UK? Companies do it all over the world and the employees should refuse to be rehired and force the company onto the open market.
But it isn't re-hire, is it? An entirely new workforce has already been recruited and were on standby.
This lady was in the Mariupol theatre when orcs dropped two massive bombs on it. “How many people were there?” “Around 800, maybe 100 got out, that’s it.” “Everyone else is under the rubble?” “Yeah, the main impact was on the stage, there were very many people underneath” https://mobile.twitter.com/juliaskripkaser/status/1504523793817116685
Orcs? Is Putin Sauron himself, or just the Witch King?
In several languages the invading Russians have been referred to as Orcs from the beginning. Especially in Lithuania, for some reason.
Illia Ponomarenko 🇺🇦 @IAPonomarenko Well, okay then. In the last hours before the new war, I imagined Ukraine as Shire, and the U.S. and the UK as Gondor and Rohan. I guess the roles have changed after 11 days of war. Mordor and Isengard are still in the same places tho. 8:25 AM · Mar 6, 2022·Twitter for Mac https://twitter.com/IAPonomarenko/status/1500387062238920704
Love the way the fat baldy completely ignores her in favour of stuffing his face. Also up for debate: Pelosi's hair - dye or wig?
Did you get the urge to leap forward and rip the poem from her hands, before she started reading? I did, and I'm 10,000 miles away and watching it on Twitter
How come no one told her This isn't such a great idea?
My entirely non-demented 90 y.o. aunt told me a week or so ago that the greatest benefit of getting old, is not giving a toss what anyone thinks. If you *are* demented and also think that, Pelosi is what you end up as. Not great.
Yes, I don't think there is now any question mark over Pelosi being "just a bit forgetful"
She's proper batshit crazy. And she is third in the American chain-of-command, behind the stammering Biden and the giggling Harris
With Trump waiting for his second chance
God Help Us All, this is the nation that leads the West
Isn't Zelensky the new leader of the free world?
He seems most up for defending our values and freedoms at the moment.
I see the workers are finding out what global buccaneering Britain is all about, and why they need a decent union.
Would being in the EU have made any difference though? Happy to be shown I’m wrong about that.
I took Foxy to mean trade union…
Correct.
Well yebbut "global buccaneering Britain" is an implied ref to EU membership, no?
No, it is the style of Brexit. There are others, that actually do protect the workers and farmers rather than shaft them for a quick buck.
Would being in the EU have made a difference?
I believe there would have been a compulsory consultation period. More important though is a government that believes protection of workers is not just red tape.
I think there still is, hence the ‘offer’ is 13 weeks pay in lieu of this. I hate what they are doing, but I don’t see evidence that the ability to do it is linked to Brexit. Happy to be shown I’m wrong, genuinely.
It is all part of the shafting of the working class brexit voters by the free marketeering Brexiteers.
Are you really claiming that fire and rehire sprung up after Brexit or that it only happens in the UK? Companies do it all over the world and the employees should refuse to be rehired and force the company onto the open market.
But it isn't re-hire, is it? An entirely new workforce has already been recruited and were on standby.
But as I keep asking, almost hyfudlike, has something changed after Brexit which made this possible, or could it have happened if we had stayed?
I see the workers are finding out what global buccaneering Britain is all about, and why they need a decent union.
Would being in the EU have made any difference though? Happy to be shown I’m wrong about that.
I took Foxy to mean trade union…
Correct.
Well yebbut "global buccaneering Britain" is an implied ref to EU membership, no?
No, it is the style of Brexit. There are others, that actually do protect the workers and farmers rather than shaft them for a quick buck.
Would being in the EU have made a difference?
I believe there would have been a compulsory consultation period. More important though is a government that believes protection of workers is not just red tape.
EU law was copy&pasted into British law, no? So either we have changed something already, or the copy&pasting was flawed, or it’s not related.
The reason you don't usually get the outrage level is that the process goes like this -
1) Factory gets told no more orders 2) Factory closes 3) Factory in Eastern Europe gets more orders. Or factory staffed with cheaper workers, up the road.
The difference here is that the workplace is the same.
I see the workers are finding out what global buccaneering Britain is all about, and why they need a decent union.
Would being in the EU have made any difference though? Happy to be shown I’m wrong about that.
I took Foxy to mean trade union…
Correct.
Well yebbut "global buccaneering Britain" is an implied ref to EU membership, no?
No, it is the style of Brexit. There are others, that actually do protect the workers and farmers rather than shaft them for a quick buck.
Would being in the EU have made a difference?
I believe there would have been a compulsory consultation period. More important though is a government that believes protection of workers is not just red tape.
I think there still is, hence the ‘offer’ is 13 weeks pay in lieu of this. I hate what they are doing, but I don’t see evidence that the ability to do it is linked to Brexit. Happy to be shown I’m wrong, genuinely.
It is all part of the shafting of the working class brexit voters by the free marketeering Brexiteers.
Are you really claiming that fire and rehire sprung up after Brexit or that it only happens in the UK? Companies do it all over the world and the employees should refuse to be rehired and force the company onto the open market.
But it isn't re-hire, is it? An entirely new workforce has already been recruited and were on standby.
Even then, it's not exactly a new development is it? Companies sacking workers then bringing in cheaper labour is a time honoured tradition of the vulture capitalist. The failure has been in allowing these vultures to buy up swathes of key UK industry unchecked over the past 30 years. Asda is going to be the next big failure.
I see the workers are finding out what global buccaneering Britain is all about, and why they need a decent union.
Would being in the EU have made any difference though? Happy to be shown I’m wrong about that.
I took Foxy to mean trade union…
Correct.
Well yebbut "global buccaneering Britain" is an implied ref to EU membership, no?
No, it is the style of Brexit. There are others, that actually do protect the workers and farmers rather than shaft them for a quick buck.
Would being in the EU have made a difference?
I believe there would have been a compulsory consultation period. More important though is a government that believes protection of workers is not just red tape.
I think there still is, hence the ‘offer’ is 13 weeks pay in lieu of this. I hate what they are doing, but I don’t see evidence that the ability to do it is linked to Brexit. Happy to be shown I’m wrong, genuinely.
It is all part of the shafting of the working class brexit voters by the free marketeering Brexiteers.
Are you really claiming that fire and rehire sprung up after Brexit or that it only happens in the UK? Companies do it all over the world and the employees should refuse to be rehired and force the company onto the open market.
But it isn't re-hire, is it? An entirely new workforce has already been recruited and were on standby.
But as I keep asking, almost hyfudlike, has something changed after Brexit which made this possible, or could it have happened if we had stayed?
I don’t believe there has been any change to labour law since Brexit.
I see the workers are finding out what global buccaneering Britain is all about, and why they need a decent union.
Would being in the EU have made any difference though? Happy to be shown I’m wrong about that.
I took Foxy to mean trade union…
Correct.
Well yebbut "global buccaneering Britain" is an implied ref to EU membership, no?
No, it is the style of Brexit. There are others, that actually do protect the workers and farmers rather than shaft them for a quick buck.
Would being in the EU have made a difference?
I believe there would have been a compulsory consultation period. More important though is a government that believes protection of workers is not just red tape.
I think there still is, hence the ‘offer’ is 13 weeks pay in lieu of this. I hate what they are doing, but I don’t see evidence that the ability to do it is linked to Brexit. Happy to be shown I’m wrong, genuinely.
It is all part of the shafting of the working class brexit voters by the free marketeering Brexiteers.
Are you really claiming that fire and rehire sprung up after Brexit or that it only happens in the UK? Companies do it all over the world and the employees should refuse to be rehired and force the company onto the open market.
But it isn't re-hire, is it? An entirely new workforce has already been recruited and were on standby.
But as I keep asking, almost hyfudlike, has something changed after Brexit which made this possible, or could it have happened if we had stayed?
I don’t believe there has been any change to labour law since Brexit.
I see the workers are finding out what global buccaneering Britain is all about, and why they need a decent union.
Would being in the EU have made any difference though? Happy to be shown I’m wrong about that.
I took Foxy to mean trade union…
Correct.
Well yebbut "global buccaneering Britain" is an implied ref to EU membership, no?
No, it is the style of Brexit. There are others, that actually do protect the workers and farmers rather than shaft them for a quick buck.
Would being in the EU have made a difference?
I believe there would have been a compulsory consultation period. More important though is a government that believes protection of workers is not just red tape.
I think there still is, hence the ‘offer’ is 13 weeks pay in lieu of this. I hate what they are doing, but I don’t see evidence that the ability to do it is linked to Brexit. Happy to be shown I’m wrong, genuinely.
It is all part of the shafting of the working class brexit voters by the free marketeering Brexiteers.
Are you really claiming that fire and rehire sprung up after Brexit or that it only happens in the UK? Companies do it all over the world and the employees should refuse to be rehired and force the company onto the open market.
But it isn't re-hire, is it? An entirely new workforce has already been recruited and were on standby.
Even then, it's not exactly a new development is it? Companies sacking workers then bringing in cheaper labour is a time honoured tradition of the vulture capitalist. The failure has been in allowing these vultures to buy up swathes of key UK industry unchecked over the past 30 years. Asda is going to be the next big failure.
Didn't a lot of voters vote Brexit in order to stop being laid off and under cut by foreign workers?
I see the workers are finding out what global buccaneering Britain is all about, and why they need a decent union.
Would being in the EU have made any difference though? Happy to be shown I’m wrong about that.
I took Foxy to mean trade union…
Correct.
Well yebbut "global buccaneering Britain" is an implied ref to EU membership, no?
No, it is the style of Brexit. There are others, that actually do protect the workers and farmers rather than shaft them for a quick buck.
Would being in the EU have made a difference?
I believe there would have been a compulsory consultation period. More important though is a government that believes protection of workers is not just red tape.
I think there still is, hence the ‘offer’ is 13 weeks pay in lieu of this. I hate what they are doing, but I don’t see evidence that the ability to do it is linked to Brexit. Happy to be shown I’m wrong, genuinely.
It is all part of the shafting of the working class brexit voters by the free marketeering Brexiteers.
Are you really claiming that fire and rehire sprung up after Brexit or that it only happens in the UK? Companies do it all over the world and the employees should refuse to be rehired and force the company onto the open market.
But it isn't re-hire, is it? An entirely new workforce has already been recruited and were on standby.
But as I keep asking, almost hyfudlike, has something changed after Brexit which made this possible, or could it have happened if we had stayed?
I don’t believe there has been any change to labour law since Brexit.
I see the workers are finding out what global buccaneering Britain is all about, and why they need a decent union.
Would being in the EU have made any difference though? Happy to be shown I’m wrong about that.
I took Foxy to mean trade union…
Correct.
Well yebbut "global buccaneering Britain" is an implied ref to EU membership, no?
No, it is the style of Brexit. There are others, that actually do protect the workers and farmers rather than shaft them for a quick buck.
Would being in the EU have made a difference?
I believe there would have been a compulsory consultation period. More important though is a government that believes protection of workers is not just red tape.
I think there still is, hence the ‘offer’ is 13 weeks pay in lieu of this. I hate what they are doing, but I don’t see evidence that the ability to do it is linked to Brexit. Happy to be shown I’m wrong, genuinely.
It is all part of the shafting of the working class brexit voters by the free marketeering Brexiteers.
Are you really claiming that fire and rehire sprung up after Brexit or that it only happens in the UK? Companies do it all over the world and the employees should refuse to be rehired and force the company onto the open market.
But it isn't re-hire, is it? An entirely new workforce has already been recruited and were on standby.
Even then, it's not exactly a new development is it? Companies sacking workers then bringing in cheaper labour is a time honoured tradition of the vulture capitalist. The failure has been in allowing these vultures to buy up swathes of key UK industry unchecked over the past 30 years. Asda is going to be the next big failure.
Didn't a lot of voters vote Brexit in order to stop being laid off and under cut by foreign workers?
I wonder under which law the new workers have been arranged. Something specifically maritime?
Love the way the fat baldy completely ignores her in favour of stuffing his face. Also up for debate: Pelosi's hair - dye or wig?
Did you get the urge to leap forward and rip the poem from her hands, before she started reading? I did, and I'm 10,000 miles away and watching it on Twitter
How come no one told her This isn't such a great idea?
My entirely non-demented 90 y.o. aunt told me a week or so ago that the greatest benefit of getting old, is not giving a toss what anyone thinks. If you *are* demented and also think that, Pelosi is what you end up as. Not great.
Yes, I don't think there is now any question mark over Pelosi being "just a bit forgetful"
She's proper batshit crazy. And she is third in the American chain-of-command, behind the stammering Biden and the giggling Harris
With Trump waiting for his second chance
God Help Us All, this is the nation that leads the West
Isn't Zelensky the new leader of the free world?
And saint.
"Ireland's sorrow and pain Is now the Ukraine And Saint Patrick's name now Zelenskyy."
I think @Flatlander may have had a point earlier. This P+O thing could have been perfectly designed by an enemy State. Cuts off a vital transport link. Sympathy for Union action. Boosts inflation. Causes public discontent. Distracts government and media. Who made this decision? And who, exactly, are these agency crews? IANAL. Is it legal to handcuff people?
It really shouldn't be, but since when did the law and the agencies of the state intervene to enforce the law to the benefit of the little people?
It will be left to the Union to launch a legal action, and they'll be lucky to get any money out of the no doubt Byzantine ownership structure created, even if they do have a judgment in their favour in two or three years time.
The contrast with the squatters turfed out of the oligarch's mansion says it all.
I see the workers are finding out what global buccaneering Britain is all about, and why they need a decent union.
Would being in the EU have made any difference though? Happy to be shown I’m wrong about that.
I took Foxy to mean trade union…
Correct.
Well yebbut "global buccaneering Britain" is an implied ref to EU membership, no?
No, it is the style of Brexit. There are others, that actually do protect the workers and farmers rather than shaft them for a quick buck.
Would being in the EU have made a difference?
I believe there would have been a compulsory consultation period. More important though is a government that believes protection of workers is not just red tape.
I think there still is, hence the ‘offer’ is 13 weeks pay in lieu of this. I hate what they are doing, but I don’t see evidence that the ability to do it is linked to Brexit. Happy to be shown I’m wrong, genuinely.
It is all part of the shafting of the working class brexit voters by the free marketeering Brexiteers.
Are you really claiming that fire and rehire sprung up after Brexit or that it only happens in the UK? Companies do it all over the world and the employees should refuse to be rehired and force the company onto the open market.
But it isn't re-hire, is it? An entirely new workforce has already been recruited and were on standby.
Even then, it's not exactly a new development is it? Companies sacking workers then bringing in cheaper labour is a time honoured tradition of the vulture capitalist. The failure has been in allowing these vultures to buy up swathes of key UK industry unchecked over the past 30 years. Asda is going to be the next big failure.
Didn't a lot of voters vote Brexit in order to stop being laid off and under cut by foreign workers?
Maybe, but either way we're 100% aligned with EU employment law. If this is a legal move then Brexit has made precisely zero difference. Your implication that this is a result of Brexit is bullshit, much like everything else you say on the subject.
Chris Williamson continues to prove himself way worse than cousin Sir Gavin
Harry's Place @hurryupharry · 4pm Last night Chris Williamson's Resist Movement held a meeting entitled 'Zionism in Ukraine'.
David Miller and Tony Greenstein spoke of Jews and Nazis for an hour. Sian Bloor (Google her and Rothschilds) ran the meeting. #RussiaUkraineWar
SIAN BLOOR of Chris Williamson's weird Resist Movement asks Tony Greenstein (of all people) "Why there is this collaboration of Nazis and a Jewish President?"
GREENSTEIN: "Zelenskyy is acting to Kosher the neo-Nazis, you know he is the ideal poster boy for the Azov battalion."
MILLER: "The Ukrainian military have been trained by IDF people in their training schools inc near Dnipro and of course many Israelis have arrived to fight on the Ukrainian side according to Israeli press reports"
Miller thinks this is a negative! 😆😂🤣
Lizzie isn't happy "Israel giving respite to people, to Jews, coming from Ukraine, are able to travel to Israel and they're sending jets to pick them up!"
"So that they can become settler colonists" Miller says
Greenstein jokes: "unlike the Ethiopian Jews they're high quality"
Love the way the fat baldy completely ignores her in favour of stuffing his face. Also up for debate: Pelosi's hair - dye or wig?
Did you get the urge to leap forward and rip the poem from her hands, before she started reading? I did, and I'm 10,000 miles away and watching it on Twitter
How come no one told her This isn't such a great idea?
My entirely non-demented 90 y.o. aunt told me a week or so ago that the greatest benefit of getting old, is not giving a toss what anyone thinks. If you *are* demented and also think that, Pelosi is what you end up as. Not great.
Yes, I don't think there is now any question mark over Pelosi being "just a bit forgetful"
She's proper batshit crazy. And she is third in the American chain-of-command, behind the stammering Biden and the giggling Harris
With Trump waiting for his second chance
God Help Us All, this is the nation that leads the West
Isn't Zelensky the new leader of the free world?
And saint.
"Ireland's sorrow and pain Is now the Ukraine And Saint Patrick's name now Zelenskyy."
The full poem needs to be read, in cold blood, to appreciate the entirety of the horror
Chris Williamson continues to prove himself way worse than cousin Sir Gavin
Harry's Place @hurryupharry · 4pm Last night Chris Williamson's Resist Movement held a meeting entitled 'Zionism in Ukraine'.
David Miller and Tony Greenstein spoke of Jews and Nazis for an hour. Sian Bloor (Google her and Rothschilds) ran the meeting. #RussiaUkraineWar
SIAN BLOOR of Chris Williamson's weird Resist Movement asks Tony Greenstein (of all people) "Why there is this collaboration of Nazis and a Jewish President?"
GREENSTEIN: "Zelenskyy is acting to Kosher the neo-Nazis, you know he is the ideal poster boy for the Azov battalion."
MILLER: "The Ukrainian military have been trained by IDF people in their training schools inc near Dnipro and of course many Israelis have arrived to fight on the Ukrainian side according to Israeli press reports"
Miller thinks this is a negative! 😆😂🤣
Lizzie isn't happy "Israel giving respite to people, to Jews, coming from Ukraine, are able to travel to Israel and they're sending jets to pick them up!"
"So that they can become settler colonists" Miller says
Greenstein jokes: "unlike the Ethiopian Jews they're high quality"
Thompsons Solicitors @ThompsonsLaw [2/3] The law states that if you’re dismissing more than 20 employees, you must consult with them. The larger the number of employees being dismissed, the longer the consultation should be – up to 45 days.
I see the workers are finding out what global buccaneering Britain is all about, and why they need a decent union.
Would being in the EU have made any difference though? Happy to be shown I’m wrong about that.
I took Foxy to mean trade union…
Correct.
Well yebbut "global buccaneering Britain" is an implied ref to EU membership, no?
No, it is the style of Brexit. There are others, that actually do protect the workers and farmers rather than shaft them for a quick buck.
Would being in the EU have made a difference?
I believe there would have been a compulsory consultation period. More important though is a government that believes protection of workers is not just red tape.
I think there still is, hence the ‘offer’ is 13 weeks pay in lieu of this. I hate what they are doing, but I don’t see evidence that the ability to do it is linked to Brexit. Happy to be shown I’m wrong, genuinely.
I don't think it's Brexit. It's capitalism working as designed - the employers are optimising by finding non-union staff from poorer countries willing to work for less.
As soon as globalisation took hold, I predicted that this sort of thing would become routine, though as MaxPB says it's more usually by a business reopening somewhere poorer (cf. the manufacturing industry and China). In a very crude way, it redistributes money from poorer people in rich countries to (a) employers and (b) poorer people in poorer countries.
My view, of course, is that the process needs to be balanced by interventionist governments, who tax the employers on local turnover (none of this "Haha, we're based in the Virgin Islands" stuff), require lengthy notice, subsidise retraining, and support low-paid workers and the unemployed. Globalisation shouldn't be stopped, but it should be constrained by minimum conditions, with tax havens subject to sanctions. The process shouldn't be stopped, but it should be made slow and expensive, so that people affected can be helped, with obstacles imposed on companies that try to circumvent the rules.
Will the Conservatives do more than say "Tsk!" and move on? Of course not. They see the system working as they expect, and are just a bit embarrassed that it's so obvious in this case.
I see the workers are finding out what global buccaneering Britain is all about, and why they need a decent union.
Would being in the EU have made any difference though? Happy to be shown I’m wrong about that.
I took Foxy to mean trade union…
Correct.
Well yebbut "global buccaneering Britain" is an implied ref to EU membership, no?
No, it is the style of Brexit. There are others, that actually do protect the workers and farmers rather than shaft them for a quick buck.
Would being in the EU have made a difference?
I believe there would have been a compulsory consultation period. More important though is a government that believes protection of workers is not just red tape.
I think there still is, hence the ‘offer’ is 13 weeks pay in lieu of this. I hate what they are doing, but I don’t see evidence that the ability to do it is linked to Brexit. Happy to be shown I’m wrong, genuinely.
It is all part of the shafting of the working class brexit voters by the free marketeering Brexiteers.
Are you really claiming that fire and rehire sprung up after Brexit or that it only happens in the UK? Companies do it all over the world and the employees should refuse to be rehired and force the company onto the open market.
But it isn't re-hire, is it? An entirely new workforce has already been recruited and were on standby.
But as I keep asking, almost hyfudlike, has something changed after Brexit which made this possible, or could it have happened if we had stayed?
I don’t believe there has been any change to labour law since Brexit.
Which is my point.
C4 news devoted an extraordinary amount of time to this but succeeded only in sharing indignation and ignorance. Instead of 15 minutes of bombast they could have given us 5 minutes of an interview with a decent employment lawyer to set the scene.
Unions exist so that the membership has access to top quality legal assistance in matters like this P+O scandal. The top trade union work firms like Thompsons have people who know this stuff, as do lots of top barristers like John Hendy. Interview them instead of a bunch of no nothing MPs and hangers on.
Love the way the fat baldy completely ignores her in favour of stuffing his face. Also up for debate: Pelosi's hair - dye or wig?
Did you get the urge to leap forward and rip the poem from her hands, before she started reading? I did, and I'm 10,000 miles away and watching it on Twitter
How come no one told her This isn't such a great idea?
My entirely non-demented 90 y.o. aunt told me a week or so ago that the greatest benefit of getting old, is not giving a toss what anyone thinks. If you *are* demented and also think that, Pelosi is what you end up as. Not great.
Yes, I don't think there is now any question mark over Pelosi being "just a bit forgetful"
She's proper batshit crazy. And she is third in the American chain-of-command, behind the stammering Biden and the giggling Harris
With Trump waiting for his second chance
God Help Us All, this is the nation that leads the West
Isn't Zelensky the new leader of the free world?
And saint.
"Ireland's sorrow and pain Is now the Ukraine And Saint Patrick's name now Zelenskyy."
The full poem needs to be read, in cold blood, to appreciate the entirety of the horror
Visegrád 24 @visegrad24 · 7m Moldova has called on Russia to withdraw it troops from Transnistria.
President Maia Sandu demanded a “complete and unconditional withdrawal of Russian forces” from the unrecognized breakaway region during yesterday’s UN General Assembly meeting.
I see the workers are finding out what global buccaneering Britain is all about, and why they need a decent union.
Would being in the EU have made any difference though? Happy to be shown I’m wrong about that.
I took Foxy to mean trade union…
Correct.
Well yebbut "global buccaneering Britain" is an implied ref to EU membership, no?
No, it is the style of Brexit. There are others, that actually do protect the workers and farmers rather than shaft them for a quick buck.
Would being in the EU have made a difference?
I believe there would have been a compulsory consultation period. More important though is a government that believes protection of workers is not just red tape.
I think there still is, hence the ‘offer’ is 13 weeks pay in lieu of this. I hate what they are doing, but I don’t see evidence that the ability to do it is linked to Brexit. Happy to be shown I’m wrong, genuinely.
I don't think it's Brexit. It's capitalism working as designed - the employers are optimising by finding non-union staff from poorer countries willing to work for less.
As soon as globalisation took hold, I predicted that this sort of thing would become routine, though as MaxPB says it's more usually by a business reopening somewhere poorer (cf. the manufacturing industry and China). In a very crude way, it redistributes money from poorer people in rich countries to (a) employers and (b) poorer people in poorer countries.
My view, of course, is that the process needs to be balanced by intervenionist governments, who tax the employers on local turnover (none of this "Haha, we're based in the Virgin Islands" stuff), require lengthy notice, subsidise retraining, and support low-paid workers and the unemployed. Globalisation shouldn't be stopped, but it should be constrained by minimum conditions, with tax havens subject to sanctions. The process shouldn't be stopped, but it should be made slow and expensive, so that people affected can be helped, with obstacles imposed on companies that try to circumvent the rules.
Will the Conservatives do more than say "Tsk!" and move on? Of course not. They see the system working as they expect, and are just a bit embarrassed that it's so obvious in this case.
The conservative mp who chairs the transport select committee seemed pretty hacked off and in full agreement the labour mp who was featured before him. It sounds pretty shocking at the moment, so hopefully a lot can be done.
I see the workers are finding out what global buccaneering Britain is all about, and why they need a decent union.
Would being in the EU have made any difference though? Happy to be shown I’m wrong about that.
I took Foxy to mean trade union…
Correct.
Well yebbut "global buccaneering Britain" is an implied ref to EU membership, no?
No, it is the style of Brexit. There are others, that actually do protect the workers and farmers rather than shaft them for a quick buck.
Would being in the EU have made a difference?
I believe there would have been a compulsory consultation period. More important though is a government that believes protection of workers is not just red tape.
I think there still is, hence the ‘offer’ is 13 weeks pay in lieu of this. I hate what they are doing, but I don’t see evidence that the ability to do it is linked to Brexit. Happy to be shown I’m wrong, genuinely.
I don't think it's Brexit. It's capitalism working as designed - the employers are optimising by finding non-union staff from poorer countries willing to work for less.
As soon as globalisation took hold, I predicted that this sort of thing would become routine, though as MaxPB says it's more usually by a business reopening somewhere poorer (cf. the manufacturing industry and China). In a very crude way, it redistributes money from poorer people in rich countries to (a) employers and (b) poorer people in poorer countries.
My view, of course, is that the process needs to be balanced by intervenionist governments, who tax the employers on local turnover (none of this "Haha, we're based in the Virgin Islands" stuff), require lengthy notice, subsidise retraining, and support low-paid workers and the unemployed. Globalisation shouldn't be stopped, but it should be constrained by minimum conditions, with tax havens subject to sanctions. The process shouldn't be stopped, but it should be made slow and expensive, so that people affected can be helped, with obstacles imposed on companies that try to circumvent the rules.
Will the Conservatives do more than say "Tsk!" and move on? Of course not. They see the system working as they expect, and are just a bit embarrassed that it's so obvious in this case.
The conservative mp who chairs the transport select committee seemed pretty hacked off and in full agreement the labour mp who was featured before him. It sounds pretty shocking at the moment, so hopefully a lot can be done.
The only shocking aspect I can see is that the workers seem not to have gone through any form of consultation, and the manner of communication was crass.
Chris Williamson continues to prove himself way worse than cousin Sir Gavin
Harry's Place @hurryupharry · 4pm Last night Chris Williamson's Resist Movement held a meeting entitled 'Zionism in Ukraine'.
David Miller and Tony Greenstein spoke of Jews and Nazis for an hour. Sian Bloor (Google her and Rothschilds) ran the meeting. #RussiaUkraineWar
SIAN BLOOR of Chris Williamson's weird Resist Movement asks Tony Greenstein (of all people) "Why there is this collaboration of Nazis and a Jewish President?"
GREENSTEIN: "Zelenskyy is acting to Kosher the neo-Nazis, you know he is the ideal poster boy for the Azov battalion."
MILLER: "The Ukrainian military have been trained by IDF people in their training schools inc near Dnipro and of course many Israelis have arrived to fight on the Ukrainian side according to Israeli press reports"
Miller thinks this is a negative! 😆😂🤣
Lizzie isn't happy "Israel giving respite to people, to Jews, coming from Ukraine, are able to travel to Israel and they're sending jets to pick them up!"
"So that they can become settler colonists" Miller says
Greenstein jokes: "unlike the Ethiopian Jews they're high quality"
Totally deranged. Simply appalling. These are the people Corbyn surrounded himself with.
Not quite accurate. Tony Greenstein was expelled from the Labour Party in 2018, under Corbyn. Admittedly, he should have never been admitted in the first place - he's dreadful.
Yep, good bet imo. Sadly. Been saying so for a long time too tbf to me.
Then we’re truly back in the 1980s when all sensible people spent their time bemoaning the travesty that was the Thatcher government and saw her losing every midterm electoral contest that came along, only to spend GE night in despair as our crooked voting system delivered her another five (usually four) years in office.
Except without the consolidation of the ground-breaking music.
Could be. But I'm quite bullish on hung parliament and bye bye Bozo.
I see the workers are finding out what global buccaneering Britain is all about, and why they need a decent union.
Would being in the EU have made any difference though? Happy to be shown I’m wrong about that.
I took Foxy to mean trade union…
Correct.
Well yebbut "global buccaneering Britain" is an implied ref to EU membership, no?
No, it is the style of Brexit. There are others, that actually do protect the workers and farmers rather than shaft them for a quick buck.
Would being in the EU have made a difference?
I believe there would have been a compulsory consultation period. More important though is a government that believes protection of workers is not just red tape.
I think there still is, hence the ‘offer’ is 13 weeks pay in lieu of this. I hate what they are doing, but I don’t see evidence that the ability to do it is linked to Brexit. Happy to be shown I’m wrong, genuinely.
I don't think it's Brexit. It's capitalism working as designed - the employers are optimising by finding non-union staff from poorer countries willing to work for less.
As soon as globalisation took hold, I predicted that this sort of thing would become routine, though as MaxPB says it's more usually by a business reopening somewhere poorer (cf. the manufacturing industry and China). In a very crude way, it redistributes money from poorer people in rich countries to (a) employers and (b) poorer people in poorer countries.
My view, of course, is that the process needs to be balanced by intervenionist governments, who tax the employers on local turnover (none of this "Haha, we're based in the Virgin Islands" stuff), require lengthy notice, subsidise retraining, and support low-paid workers and the unemployed. Globalisation shouldn't be stopped, but it should be constrained by minimum conditions, with tax havens subject to sanctions. The process shouldn't be stopped, but it should be made slow and expensive, so that people affected can be helped, with obstacles imposed on companies that try to circumvent the rules.
Will the Conservatives do more than say "Tsk!" and move on? Of course not. They see the system working as they expect, and are just a bit embarrassed that it's so obvious in this case.
The conservative mp who chairs the transport select committee seemed pretty hacked off and in full agreement the labour mp who was featured before him. It sounds pretty shocking at the moment, so hopefully a lot can be done.
The only shocking aspect I can see is that the workers seem not to have gone through any form of consultation, and the manner of communication was crass.
Otherwise, it’s pretty standard stuff, isn’t it?
Yes it seems there is a time limited offer which includes 13 weeks pay in lieu of consultation. One wonders why the company have chosen this route? Hoping for a faint accompli? I hope they get stuffed by the lawyers.
I see the workers are finding out what global buccaneering Britain is all about, and why they need a decent union.
Weasel words from No 10 too saying how terrible it is blah blah blah but doing SFA to stop it.
Nobody knew anything about it until this morning
It is utterly wrong and it was good to see that across the HOC there was total condemnation and a desire to work across party lines to address this completely unacceptable position
Only one party has proposed actual policies to prevent stuff like this from happening. It isn't the Tories.
olexander scherba🇺🇦 @olex_scherba #Ukraine’s chief rabbi congratulates on the holiday of #Purim - with the song “My #Kyiv, you are impossible not to love!” … #StandWithUkraine #UkraineRussiaWar #UkraineWillPrevail #НетВойнe #РоссияСмотри https://twitter.com/olex_scherba/status/1504540256527433734
I see the workers are finding out what global buccaneering Britain is all about, and why they need a decent union.
Would being in the EU have made any difference though? Happy to be shown I’m wrong about that.
I took Foxy to mean trade union…
Correct.
Well yebbut "global buccaneering Britain" is an implied ref to EU membership, no?
No, it is the style of Brexit. There are others, that actually do protect the workers and farmers rather than shaft them for a quick buck.
Would being in the EU have made a difference?
I believe there would have been a compulsory consultation period. More important though is a government that believes protection of workers is not just red tape.
I think there still is, hence the ‘offer’ is 13 weeks pay in lieu of this. I hate what they are doing, but I don’t see evidence that the ability to do it is linked to Brexit. Happy to be shown I’m wrong, genuinely.
I don't think it's Brexit. It's capitalism working as designed - the employers are optimising by finding non-union staff from poorer countries willing to work for less.
As soon as globalisation took hold, I predicted that this sort of thing would become routine, though as MaxPB says it's more usually by a business reopening somewhere poorer (cf. the manufacturing industry and China). In a very crude way, it redistributes money from poorer people in rich countries to (a) employers and (b) poorer people in poorer countries.
My view, of course, is that the process needs to be balanced by intervenionist governments, who tax the employers on local turnover (none of this "Haha, we're based in the Virgin Islands" stuff), require lengthy notice, subsidise retraining, and support low-paid workers and the unemployed. Globalisation shouldn't be stopped, but it should be constrained by minimum conditions, with tax havens subject to sanctions. The process shouldn't be stopped, but it should be made slow and expensive, so that people affected can be helped, with obstacles imposed on companies that try to circumvent the rules.
Will the Conservatives do more than say "Tsk!" and move on? Of course not. They see the system working as they expect, and are just a bit embarrassed that it's so obvious in this case.
The conservative mp who chairs the transport select committee seemed pretty hacked off and in full agreement the labour mp who was featured before him. It sounds pretty shocking at the moment, so hopefully a lot can be done.
The only shocking aspect I can see is that the workers seem not to have gone through any form of consultation, and the manner of communication was crass.
Otherwise, it’s pretty standard stuff, isn’t it?
Yes, they've been made an offer of termination too, I think it's 13 weeks of regular pay. Which actually seems quite generous on the face of it. The communication has been substandard, but the pay off is probably why there's no consultation, it's not redundancy.
Love the way the fat baldy completely ignores her in favour of stuffing his face. Also up for debate: Pelosi's hair - dye or wig?
Did you get the urge to leap forward and rip the poem from her hands, before she started reading? I did, and I'm 10,000 miles away and watching it on Twitter
How come no one told her This isn't such a great idea?
My entirely non-demented 90 y.o. aunt told me a week or so ago that the greatest benefit of getting old, is not giving a toss what anyone thinks. If you *are* demented and also think that, Pelosi is what you end up as. Not great.
Yes, I don't think there is now any question mark over Pelosi being "just a bit forgetful"
She's proper batshit crazy. And she is third in the American chain-of-command, behind the stammering Biden and the giggling Harris
With Trump waiting for his second chance
God Help Us All, this is the nation that leads the West
Isn't Zelensky the new leader of the free world?
And saint.
"Ireland's sorrow and pain Is now the Ukraine And Saint Patrick's name now Zelenskyy."
The full poem needs to be read, in cold blood, to appreciate the entirety of the horror
The Wall Street Journal @WSJ In rural Russia, locals back Putin’s decision to send an army to Ukraine. “I support everything that is for victory and for Putin.”
Visegrád 24 @visegrad24 · 7m Moldova has called on Russia to withdraw it troops from Transnistria.
President Maia Sandu demanded a “complete and unconditional withdrawal of Russian forces” from the unrecognized breakaway region during yesterday’s UN General Assembly meeting.
If the rumours are true, then he wouldn't be the first Prime Minister to have an awkward godparent situation. Wendi Deng let slip that Tony Blair was godfather to one of Murdoch's daughters. David Cameron remained unhelpfully tied to Michael Gove for years after their bust-up because Sarah Vine is godmother to one of his.
So just a heads up to Boris that he might want to get prepping his lines if he's ever made Evgeny Lebedev an offer to become the spiritual guardian to one of his many, many children. Because one of the broadsheets is currently investigating a claim that he has.
Visegrád 24 @visegrad24 · 7m Moldova has called on Russia to withdraw it troops from Transnistria.
President Maia Sandu demanded a “complete and unconditional withdrawal of Russian forces” from the unrecognized breakaway region during yesterday’s UN General Assembly meeting.
Wondered when that might happen.
I had a plasterer from Transnistria once. Total sleazeball, he made improper suggestions to my wife.
I see the workers are finding out what global buccaneering Britain is all about, and why they need a decent union.
Would being in the EU have made any difference though? Happy to be shown I’m wrong about that.
I took Foxy to mean trade union…
Correct.
Well yebbut "global buccaneering Britain" is an implied ref to EU membership, no?
No, it is the style of Brexit. There are others, that actually do protect the workers and farmers rather than shaft them for a quick buck.
Would being in the EU have made a difference?
I believe there would have been a compulsory consultation period. More important though is a government that believes protection of workers is not just red tape.
I think there still is, hence the ‘offer’ is 13 weeks pay in lieu of this. I hate what they are doing, but I don’t see evidence that the ability to do it is linked to Brexit. Happy to be shown I’m wrong, genuinely.
I don't think it's Brexit. It's capitalism working as designed - the employers are optimising by finding non-union staff from poorer countries willing to work for less.
As soon as globalisation took hold, I predicted that this sort of thing would become routine, though as MaxPB says it's more usually by a business reopening somewhere poorer (cf. the manufacturing industry and China). In a very crude way, it redistributes money from poorer people in rich countries to (a) employers and (b) poorer people in poorer countries.
My view, of course, is that the process needs to be balanced by intervenionist governments, who tax the employers on local turnover (none of this "Haha, we're based in the Virgin Islands" stuff), require lengthy notice, subsidise retraining, and support low-paid workers and the unemployed. Globalisation shouldn't be stopped, but it should be constrained by minimum conditions, with tax havens subject to sanctions. The process shouldn't be stopped, but it should be made slow and expensive, so that people affected can be helped, with obstacles imposed on companies that try to circumvent the rules.
Will the Conservatives do more than say "Tsk!" and move on? Of course not. They see the system working as they expect, and are just a bit embarrassed that it's so obvious in this case.
The conservative mp who chairs the transport select committee seemed pretty hacked off and in full agreement the labour mp who was featured before him. It sounds pretty shocking at the moment, so hopefully a lot can be done.
The only shocking aspect I can see is that the workers seem not to have gone through any form of consultation, and the manner of communication was crass.
Otherwise, it’s pretty standard stuff, isn’t it?
Yes it seems there is a time limited offer which includes 13 weeks pay in lieu of consultation. One wonders why the company have chosen this route? Hoping for a faint accompli? I hope they get stuffed by the lawyers.
If I am reading the letter Hebblethwaite sent out correctly, then all the staff who have been fired are contracted under the laws of Jersey. Which is presumably less rigorous than UK law (which is hardly rigorous on employee rights).
I think they were probably hoping by taking this course they would get it over and done with quickly while everyone was distracted by Ukraine. In this I suspect they have made an error, particularly in having security guards with covered faces go aboard to use violence and physical restraint to enforce it. This could easily run and run should anyone bring charges of assault.
On a more pertinent point, at a time when there is spare capacity they have just guaranteed lots of negative headlines and unhappy passengers which will not do their bookings any good.
Conclusion - they're very arrogant, extremely nasty and fucking stupid.
That one on the Zoom call just looked incredibly creepy. Like that weirdo with the Nazi tattoos Putin sent into Ukraine.
The Wall Street Journal @WSJ In rural Russia, locals back Putin’s decision to send an army to Ukraine. “I support everything that is for victory and for Putin.”
How do you ever get a decent standard of living for most people if you allow companies to wreck people's careers and livelihoods to drive down wages?
The whole system's a fucking sham, and the only "leader" the Left could find to speak a word against it was a useless idiot who indulged anti-Semitism.
Tear the whole thing down. It's just not good enough.
Anton Shekhovtsov @A_SHEKH0VTS0V “Ordinary Russians” warn their neighbours against feeding birds as they are apparently weaponised with diseases originating from 36 US laboratories in Ukraine. #Russia #RussianGuilt
She is a credit to journalism and an example to many colleagues on how to do it
St Michael the Golden-Domed. Gorgeous. Kyiv has lots of places like it. Pechersk Lavra too. How can Putin claim he is supporting Russian nationalism and target these places? He is deranged and I am in danger of crying into my raki.
I see the workers are finding out what global buccaneering Britain is all about, and why they need a decent union.
Would being in the EU have made any difference though? Happy to be shown I’m wrong about that.
I took Foxy to mean trade union…
Correct.
Well yebbut "global buccaneering Britain" is an implied ref to EU membership, no?
No, it is the style of Brexit. There are others, that actually do protect the workers and farmers rather than shaft them for a quick buck.
Would being in the EU have made a difference?
I believe there would have been a compulsory consultation period. More important though is a government that believes protection of workers is not just red tape.
I think there still is, hence the ‘offer’ is 13 weeks pay in lieu of this. I hate what they are doing, but I don’t see evidence that the ability to do it is linked to Brexit. Happy to be shown I’m wrong, genuinely.
I don't think it's Brexit. It's capitalism working as designed - the employers are optimising by finding non-union staff from poorer countries willing to work for less.
As soon as globalisation took hold, I predicted that this sort of thing would become routine, though as MaxPB says it's more usually by a business reopening somewhere poorer (cf. the manufacturing industry and China). In a very crude way, it redistributes money from poorer people in rich countries to (a) employers and (b) poorer people in poorer countries.
My view, of course, is that the process needs to be balanced by intervenionist governments, who tax the employers on local turnover (none of this "Haha, we're based in the Virgin Islands" stuff), require lengthy notice, subsidise retraining, and support low-paid workers and the unemployed. Globalisation shouldn't be stopped, but it should be constrained by minimum conditions, with tax havens subject to sanctions. The process shouldn't be stopped, but it should be made slow and expensive, so that people affected can be helped, with obstacles imposed on companies that try to circumvent the rules.
Will the Conservatives do more than say "Tsk!" and move on? Of course not. They see the system working as they expect, and are just a bit embarrassed that it's so obvious in this case.
The conservative mp who chairs the transport select committee seemed pretty hacked off and in full agreement the labour mp who was featured before him. It sounds pretty shocking at the moment, so hopefully a lot can be done.
The only shocking aspect I can see is that the workers seem not to have gone through any form of consultation, and the manner of communication was crass.
Otherwise, it’s pretty standard stuff, isn’t it?
Yes it seems there is a time limited offer which includes 13 weeks pay in lieu of consultation. One wonders why the company have chosen this route? Hoping for a faint accompli? I hope they get stuffed by the lawyers.
If I am reading the letter Hebblethwaite sent out correctly, then all the staff who have been fired are contracted under the laws of Jersey. Which is presumably less rigorous than UK law (which is hardly rigorous on employee rights).
I think they were probably hoping by taking this course they would get it over and done with quickly while everyone was distracted by Ukraine. In this I suspect they have made an error, particularly in having security guards with covered faces go aboard to use violence and physical restraint to enforce it. This could easily run and run should anyone bring charges of assault.
On a more pertinent point, at a time when there is spare capacity they have just guaranteed lots of negative headlines and unhappy passengers which will not do their bookings any good.
Conclusion - they're very arrogant, extremely nasty and fucking stupid.
That one on the Zoom call just looked incredibly creepy. Like that weirdo with the Nazi tattoos Putin sent into Ukraine.
What territory is a P&O ferry? If it's somewhere like Jersey the law could for all I know be more primitive than the UK mainland (or it might be better: doesn't help that I have just been reading the latest Charles Stross novel, which in part hinges on just this kind of legal distinction between the UK/EU and the CIs).
It’s one thing Bono writing that shit, it’s another one Pelosi reading it.
She should have stuck with Yeats, as @Cyclefree could have told her.
Fucking morons the lot of them.
Happy St Patrick’s Day, all.
I think some allowance has to be made for very old people thinking Bono is quite the young hipster, helping them to connect with de yoot. Next up, Mick and the boys (the ones left alive) introduce Biden’s state of the union address.
Most likely Johnson will now lead the Tories again at the next general election. Not only has he cut the Labour poll lead but Sunak does little better against Starmer than he does anyway
If the rumours are true, then he wouldn't be the first Prime Minister to have an awkward godparent situation. Wendi Deng let slip that Tony Blair was godfather to one of Murdoch's daughters. David Cameron remained unhelpfully tied to Michael Gove for years after their bust-up because Sarah Vine is godmother to one of his.
So just a heads up to Boris that he might want to get prepping his lines if he's ever made Evgeny Lebedev an offer to become the spiritual guardian to one of his many, many children. Because one of the broadsheets is currently investigating a claim that he has.
If they'd been good Presbyterians life would be so much simpler.
I see the workers are finding out what global buccaneering Britain is all about, and why they need a decent union.
Would being in the EU have made any difference though? Happy to be shown I’m wrong about that.
I took Foxy to mean trade union…
Correct.
Well yebbut "global buccaneering Britain" is an implied ref to EU membership, no?
No, it is the style of Brexit. There are others, that actually do protect the workers and farmers rather than shaft them for a quick buck.
Would being in the EU have made a difference?
I believe there would have been a compulsory consultation period. More important though is a government that believes protection of workers is not just red tape.
I think there still is, hence the ‘offer’ is 13 weeks pay in lieu of this. I hate what they are doing, but I don’t see evidence that the ability to do it is linked to Brexit. Happy to be shown I’m wrong, genuinely.
I don't think it's Brexit. It's capitalism working as designed - the employers are optimising by finding non-union staff from poorer countries willing to work for less.
As soon as globalisation took hold, I predicted that this sort of thing would become routine, though as MaxPB says it's more usually by a business reopening somewhere poorer (cf. the manufacturing industry and China). In a very crude way, it redistributes money from poorer people in rich countries to (a) employers and (b) poorer people in poorer countries.
My view, of course, is that the process needs to be balanced by intervenionist governments, who tax the employers on local turnover (none of this "Haha, we're based in the Virgin Islands" stuff), require lengthy notice, subsidise retraining, and support low-paid workers and the unemployed. Globalisation shouldn't be stopped, but it should be constrained by minimum conditions, with tax havens subject to sanctions. The process shouldn't be stopped, but it should be made slow and expensive, so that people affected can be helped, with obstacles imposed on companies that try to circumvent the rules.
Will the Conservatives do more than say "Tsk!" and move on? Of course not. They see the system working as they expect, and are just a bit embarrassed that it's so obvious in this case.
The conservative mp who chairs the transport select committee seemed pretty hacked off and in full agreement the labour mp who was featured before him. It sounds pretty shocking at the moment, so hopefully a lot can be done.
The only shocking aspect I can see is that the workers seem not to have gone through any form of consultation, and the manner of communication was crass.
Otherwise, it’s pretty standard stuff, isn’t it?
Yes it seems there is a time limited offer which includes 13 weeks pay in lieu of consultation. One wonders why the company have chosen this route? Hoping for a faint accompli? I hope they get stuffed by the lawyers.
If I am reading the letter Hebblethwaite sent out correctly, then all the staff who have been fired are contracted under the laws of Jersey. Which is presumably less rigorous than UK law (which is hardly rigorous on employee rights).
I think they were probably hoping by taking this course they would get it over and done with quickly while everyone was distracted by Ukraine. In this I suspect they have made an error, particularly in having security guards with covered faces go aboard to use violence and physical restraint to enforce it. This could easily run and run should anyone bring charges of assault.
On a more pertinent point, at a time when there is spare capacity they have just guaranteed lots of negative headlines and unhappy passengers which will not do their bookings any good.
Conclusion - they're very arrogant, extremely nasty and fucking stupid.
That one on the Zoom call just looked incredibly creepy. Like that weirdo with the Nazi tattoos Putin sent into Ukraine.
What territory is a P&O ferry? If it's somewhere like Jersey the law could for all I know be more primitive than the UK mainland (or it might be better: doesn't help that I have just been reading the latest Charles Stross novel, which in part hinges on just this kind of legal distinction between the UK/EU and the CIs).
I see the workers are finding out what global buccaneering Britain is all about, and why they need a decent union.
Would being in the EU have made any difference though? Happy to be shown I’m wrong about that.
I took Foxy to mean trade union…
Correct.
Well yebbut "global buccaneering Britain" is an implied ref to EU membership, no?
No, it is the style of Brexit. There are others, that actually do protect the workers and farmers rather than shaft them for a quick buck.
Would being in the EU have made a difference?
I believe there would have been a compulsory consultation period. More important though is a government that believes protection of workers is not just red tape.
I think there still is, hence the ‘offer’ is 13 weeks pay in lieu of this. I hate what they are doing, but I don’t see evidence that the ability to do it is linked to Brexit. Happy to be shown I’m wrong, genuinely.
I don't think it's Brexit. It's capitalism working as designed - the employers are optimising by finding non-union staff from poorer countries willing to work for less.
As soon as globalisation took hold, I predicted that this sort of thing would become routine, though as MaxPB says it's more usually by a business reopening somewhere poorer (cf. the manufacturing industry and China). In a very crude way, it redistributes money from poorer people in rich countries to (a) employers and (b) poorer people in poorer countries.
My view, of course, is that the process needs to be balanced by intervenionist governments, who tax the employers on local turnover (none of this "Haha, we're based in the Virgin Islands" stuff), require lengthy notice, subsidise retraining, and support low-paid workers and the unemployed. Globalisation shouldn't be stopped, but it should be constrained by minimum conditions, with tax havens subject to sanctions. The process shouldn't be stopped, but it should be made slow and expensive, so that people affected can be helped, with obstacles imposed on companies that try to circumvent the rules.
Will the Conservatives do more than say "Tsk!" and move on? Of course not. They see the system working as they expect, and are just a bit embarrassed that it's so obvious in this case.
The conservative mp who chairs the transport select committee seemed pretty hacked off and in full agreement the labour mp who was featured before him. It sounds pretty shocking at the moment, so hopefully a lot can be done.
The only shocking aspect I can see is that the workers seem not to have gone through any form of consultation, and the manner of communication was crass.
Otherwise, it’s pretty standard stuff, isn’t it?
Yes it seems there is a time limited offer which includes 13 weeks pay in lieu of consultation. One wonders why the company have chosen this route? Hoping for a faint accompli? I hope they get stuffed by the lawyers.
If I am reading the letter Hebblethwaite sent out correctly, then all the staff who have been fired are contracted under the laws of Jersey. Which is presumably less rigorous than UK law (which is hardly rigorous on employee rights).
I think they were probably hoping by taking this course they would get it over and done with quickly while everyone was distracted by Ukraine. In this I suspect they have made an error, particularly in having security guards with covered faces go aboard to use violence and physical restraint to enforce it. This could easily run and run should anyone bring charges of assault.
On a more pertinent point, at a time when there is spare capacity they have just guaranteed lots of negative headlines and unhappy passengers which will not do their bookings any good.
Conclusion - they're very arrogant, extremely nasty and fucking stupid.
That one on the Zoom call just looked incredibly creepy. Like that weirdo with the Nazi tattoos Putin sent into Ukraine.
What territory is a P&O ferry? If it's somewhere like Jersey the law could for all I know be more primitive than the UK mainland (or it might be better: doesn't help that I have just been reading the latest Charles Stross novel, which in part hinges on just this kind of legal distinction between the UK/EU and the CIs).
Sounds like the most boring novel ever.
Not necessarily. DavidL of this parish once pointed me to a SF novel which was set in 1960s Glasgow and hinged in part on matters of Scots conveyancing law and, IIRC, feudal duty. I found it on abebooks and read it. Very evocative - though I have not yet asked my English friend and SF collector what he made of it when I sent it on to him.
Most likely Johnson will now lead the Tories again at the next general election. Not only has he cut the Labour poll lead but Sunak does little better against Starmer than he does anyway
If the rumours are true, then he wouldn't be the first Prime Minister to have an awkward godparent situation. Wendi Deng let slip that Tony Blair was godfather to one of Murdoch's daughters. David Cameron remained unhelpfully tied to Michael Gove for years after their bust-up because Sarah Vine is godmother to one of his.
So just a heads up to Boris that he might want to get prepping his lines if he's ever made Evgeny Lebedev an offer to become the spiritual guardian to one of his many, many children. Because one of the broadsheets is currently investigating a claim that he has.
If they'd been good Presbyterians life would be so much simpler.
Murdoch's children had Roman Catholic baptisms, his wife being a Catholic. He also has a Papal Knighthood. His mother was Jewish. His grandfather was even a Presbyterian minister. Johnson is also now a Roman Catholic.
I see the workers are finding out what global buccaneering Britain is all about, and why they need a decent union.
Would being in the EU have made any difference though? Happy to be shown I’m wrong about that.
I took Foxy to mean trade union…
Correct.
Well yebbut "global buccaneering Britain" is an implied ref to EU membership, no?
No, it is the style of Brexit. There are others, that actually do protect the workers and farmers rather than shaft them for a quick buck.
Would being in the EU have made a difference?
I believe there would have been a compulsory consultation period. More important though is a government that believes protection of workers is not just red tape.
I think there still is, hence the ‘offer’ is 13 weeks pay in lieu of this. I hate what they are doing, but I don’t see evidence that the ability to do it is linked to Brexit. Happy to be shown I’m wrong, genuinely.
I don't think it's Brexit. It's capitalism working as designed - the employers are optimising by finding non-union staff from poorer countries willing to work for less.
As soon as globalisation took hold, I predicted that this sort of thing would become routine, though as MaxPB says it's more usually by a business reopening somewhere poorer (cf. the manufacturing industry and China). In a very crude way, it redistributes money from poorer people in rich countries to (a) employers and (b) poorer people in poorer countries.
My view, of course, is that the process needs to be balanced by intervenionist governments, who tax the employers on local turnover (none of this "Haha, we're based in the Virgin Islands" stuff), require lengthy notice, subsidise retraining, and support low-paid workers and the unemployed. Globalisation shouldn't be stopped, but it should be constrained by minimum conditions, with tax havens subject to sanctions. The process shouldn't be stopped, but it should be made slow and expensive, so that people affected can be helped, with obstacles imposed on companies that try to circumvent the rules.
Will the Conservatives do more than say "Tsk!" and move on? Of course not. They see the system working as they expect, and are just a bit embarrassed that it's so obvious in this case.
The conservative mp who chairs the transport select committee seemed pretty hacked off and in full agreement the labour mp who was featured before him. It sounds pretty shocking at the moment, so hopefully a lot can be done.
The only shocking aspect I can see is that the workers seem not to have gone through any form of consultation, and the manner of communication was crass.
Otherwise, it’s pretty standard stuff, isn’t it?
Yes it seems there is a time limited offer which includes 13 weeks pay in lieu of consultation. One wonders why the company have chosen this route? Hoping for a faint accompli? I hope they get stuffed by the lawyers.
If I am reading the letter Hebblethwaite sent out correctly, then all the staff who have been fired are contracted under the laws of Jersey. Which is presumably less rigorous than UK law (which is hardly rigorous on employee rights).
I think they were probably hoping by taking this course they would get it over and done with quickly while everyone was distracted by Ukraine. In this I suspect they have made an error, particularly in having security guards with covered faces go aboard to use violence and physical restraint to enforce it. This could easily run and run should anyone bring charges of assault.
On a more pertinent point, at a time when there is spare capacity they have just guaranteed lots of negative headlines and unhappy passengers which will not do their bookings any good.
Conclusion - they're very arrogant, extremely nasty and fucking stupid.
That one on the Zoom call just looked incredibly creepy. Like that weirdo with the Nazi tattoos Putin sent into Ukraine.
What territory is a P&O ferry? If it's somewhere like Jersey the law could for all I know be more primitive than the UK mainland (or it might be better: doesn't help that I have just been reading the latest Charles Stross novel, which in part hinges on just this kind of legal distinction between the UK/EU and the CIs).
Most likely Johnson will now lead the Tories again at the next general election. Not only has he cut the Labour poll lead but Sunak does little better against Starmer than he does anyway
Putin cut the Labour poll lead, not Johnson.
THat's right, people see the comedian in charge in Kyiv and forget it's not the one in No. 10.
Most likely Johnson will now lead the Tories again at the next general election. Not only has he cut the Labour poll lead but Sunak does little better against Starmer than he does anyway
If the rumours are true, then he wouldn't be the first Prime Minister to have an awkward godparent situation. Wendi Deng let slip that Tony Blair was godfather to one of Murdoch's daughters. David Cameron remained unhelpfully tied to Michael Gove for years after their bust-up because Sarah Vine is godmother to one of his.
So just a heads up to Boris that he might want to get prepping his lines if he's ever made Evgeny Lebedev an offer to become the spiritual guardian to one of his many, many children. Because one of the broadsheets is currently investigating a claim that he has.
If they'd been good Presbyterians life would be so much simpler.
Murdoch's children had Roman Catholic baptisms, his wife being a Catholic. Johnson is also now a Roman Catholic.
Only Cameron is Church of England
C of E IS a Catholic church. Incorporates godparents into its rituals. Same problem.
Most likely Johnson will now lead the Tories again at the next general election. Not only has he cut the Labour poll lead but Sunak does little better against Starmer than he does anyway
No Tory poll leads for the last three months and 11 days...
I see the workers are finding out what global buccaneering Britain is all about, and why they need a decent union.
Would being in the EU have made any difference though? Happy to be shown I’m wrong about that.
I took Foxy to mean trade union…
Correct.
Well yebbut "global buccaneering Britain" is an implied ref to EU membership, no?
No, it is the style of Brexit. There are others, that actually do protect the workers and farmers rather than shaft them for a quick buck.
Would being in the EU have made a difference?
I believe there would have been a compulsory consultation period. More important though is a government that believes protection of workers is not just red tape.
I think there still is, hence the ‘offer’ is 13 weeks pay in lieu of this. I hate what they are doing, but I don’t see evidence that the ability to do it is linked to Brexit. Happy to be shown I’m wrong, genuinely.
I don't think it's Brexit. It's capitalism working as designed - the employers are optimising by finding non-union staff from poorer countries willing to work for less.
As soon as globalisation took hold, I predicted that this sort of thing would become routine, though as MaxPB says it's more usually by a business reopening somewhere poorer (cf. the manufacturing industry and China). In a very crude way, it redistributes money from poorer people in rich countries to (a) employers and (b) poorer people in poorer countries.
My view, of course, is that the process needs to be balanced by intervenionist governments, who tax the employers on local turnover (none of this "Haha, we're based in the Virgin Islands" stuff), require lengthy notice, subsidise retraining, and support low-paid workers and the unemployed. Globalisation shouldn't be stopped, but it should be constrained by minimum conditions, with tax havens subject to sanctions. The process shouldn't be stopped, but it should be made slow and expensive, so that people affected can be helped, with obstacles imposed on companies that try to circumvent the rules.
Will the Conservatives do more than say "Tsk!" and move on? Of course not. They see the system working as they expect, and are just a bit embarrassed that it's so obvious in this case.
The conservative mp who chairs the transport select committee seemed pretty hacked off and in full agreement the labour mp who was featured before him. It sounds pretty shocking at the moment, so hopefully a lot can be done.
The only shocking aspect I can see is that the workers seem not to have gone through any form of consultation, and the manner of communication was crass.
Otherwise, it’s pretty standard stuff, isn’t it?
Yes it seems there is a time limited offer which includes 13 weeks pay in lieu of consultation. One wonders why the company have chosen this route? Hoping for a faint accompli? I hope they get stuffed by the lawyers.
If I am reading the letter Hebblethwaite sent out correctly, then all the staff who have been fired are contracted under the laws of Jersey. Which is presumably less rigorous than UK law (which is hardly rigorous on employee rights).
I think they were probably hoping by taking this course they would get it over and done with quickly while everyone was distracted by Ukraine. In this I suspect they have made an error, particularly in having security guards with covered faces go aboard to use violence and physical restraint to enforce it. This could easily run and run should anyone bring charges of assault.
On a more pertinent point, at a time when there is spare capacity they have just guaranteed lots of negative headlines and unhappy passengers which will not do their bookings any good.
Conclusion - they're very arrogant, extremely nasty and fucking stupid.
That one on the Zoom call just looked incredibly creepy. Like that weirdo with the Nazi tattoos Putin sent into Ukraine.
What territory is a P&O ferry? If it's somewhere like Jersey the law could for all I know be more primitive than the UK mainland (or it might be better: doesn't help that I have just been reading the latest Charles Stross novel, which in part hinges on just this kind of legal distinction between the UK/EU and the CIs).
I don't know, and from the little I do know about maritime law it's so Byzantine I doubt if anyone else does either.
However, the Hebblethwaite letter is quoted in full here:
As of this morning, we are severing the contracts of all 800 Jersey-contracted seafaring colleagues with immediate effect and will be compensating them for lack of notice with enhanced severance packages.
Now I could be wrong and 'Jersey' could be the name of a subsidiary company. But if a UK company sacks its workers without notice under UK laws for any reason other than imminent bankruptcy ('imminent' meaning 'before the end of the month') it's acting illegally. And if that were the case, the RMT would surely be seeking an injunction against the company for illegal dismissal. The fact they haven't says quite a lot in itself.
Therefore I am assuming that in some technical way P+O Ferries and their staff are not under UK law, and this seems the logical explanation.
If so that raises a much more serious question - how can a company based on UK soil, employing UK nationals, carrying out its operations in the UK, find such a loophole? And should that loophole not be closed? Or was it already closed, in which case P+O ferries may have burned their figures?
But those are arguments for lawyers to ponder later. Right now, it's not a lot of help to those people who have been booted out of work.
The thing about the P&O stuff, forgetting about the legalities of it all etc. is: you can tell from how these things are actually done whether the company knows itself whether it's being a bastard or not.
A 3 minute recorded message is the approach of a company that knows it's being a bastard, a company that knows that it's made a decision to fuck everyone over and then get the hell out of Dodge to not be there when the shit hits the fan.
If it's the right thing to do to save the company, get the fucking board to do a proper live meeting and take the shitty questions they're going to get from every Tom Dick and Harry whose lives they're fucking over that day.
The thing about the P&O stuff, forgetting about the legalities of it all etc. is: you can tell from how these things are actually done whether the company knows itself whether it's being a bastard or not.
A 3 minute recorded message is the approach of a company that knows it's being a bastard, a company that knows that it's made a decision to fuck everyone over and then get the hell out of Dodge to not be there when the shit hits the fan.
If it's the right thing to do to save the company, get the fucking board to do a proper live meeting and take the shitty questions they're going to get from every Tom Dick and Harry whose lives they're fucking over that day.
The irony being that after today's debacle the company is probably in a much weaker position to survive the economic headwinds.
Ben Wallace, the defence secretary, has hit out at Russian “dirty tricks” after being targeted by an impostor posing as the Ukrainian prime minister.
He told The Times that a man pretending to be prime minister Denys Shmyhal on a video call asked him a series of questions which “got wilder and wilder so I ended the call”.
One line of inquiry is that the call was orchestrated by Russian intelligence as an attempt to extract sensitive information from Wallace or as an attempt to embarrass him.
Wallace, a former Scots Guards who was in Poland at the time, ordered an immediate inquiry to find out how the impostor was able to speak to him. It is understood the call lasted less than ten minutes.
No, but I don't think it's that outrageous that they were able to speak to him.
What he said, on the other hand...
not too bright if he got 10 minutes out of him. WTF did he talked to some looney about for nearly ten minutes before discovering he was a fake. Shows the calibre of donkey we have in Westminster.
I am assuming you are used to your calls being scheduled by your office, and that it was also occurring through a "translator" at one end or the other. I don't think the Minister is to blame.
PMSL, your excuse for him being an absolute donkey and employing other donkeys to make him look even more donkeyish.
I'm not saying they are not donkeys. It just sounds like a typical institutional failure.
If the rumours are true, then he wouldn't be the first Prime Minister to have an awkward godparent situation. Wendi Deng let slip that Tony Blair was godfather to one of Murdoch's daughters. David Cameron remained unhelpfully tied to Michael Gove for years after their bust-up because Sarah Vine is godmother to one of his.
So just a heads up to Boris that he might want to get prepping his lines if he's ever made Evgeny Lebedev an offer to become the spiritual guardian to one of his many, many children. Because one of the broadsheets is currently investigating a claim that he has.
If they'd been good Presbyterians life would be so much simpler.
Murdoch's children had Roman Catholic baptisms, his wife being a Catholic. Johnson is also now a Roman Catholic.
Only Cameron is Church of England
C of E IS a Catholic church. Incorporates godparents into its rituals. Same problem.
Even the Presbyterians have adult 'sponsors' of the child being baptised, even if they do not call them godparents
I see the workers are finding out what global buccaneering Britain is all about, and why they need a decent union.
Would being in the EU have made any difference though? Happy to be shown I’m wrong about that.
I took Foxy to mean trade union…
Correct.
Well yebbut "global buccaneering Britain" is an implied ref to EU membership, no?
No, it is the style of Brexit. There are others, that actually do protect the workers and farmers rather than shaft them for a quick buck.
Would being in the EU have made a difference?
I believe there would have been a compulsory consultation period. More important though is a government that believes protection of workers is not just red tape.
I think there still is, hence the ‘offer’ is 13 weeks pay in lieu of this. I hate what they are doing, but I don’t see evidence that the ability to do it is linked to Brexit. Happy to be shown I’m wrong, genuinely.
I don't think it's Brexit. It's capitalism working as designed - the employers are optimising by finding non-union staff from poorer countries willing to work for less.
As soon as globalisation took hold, I predicted that this sort of thing would become routine, though as MaxPB says it's more usually by a business reopening somewhere poorer (cf. the manufacturing industry and China). In a very crude way, it redistributes money from poorer people in rich countries to (a) employers and (b) poorer people in poorer countries.
My view, of course, is that the process needs to be balanced by intervenionist governments, who tax the employers on local turnover (none of this "Haha, we're based in the Virgin Islands" stuff), require lengthy notice, subsidise retraining, and support low-paid workers and the unemployed. Globalisation shouldn't be stopped, but it should be constrained by minimum conditions, with tax havens subject to sanctions. The process shouldn't be stopped, but it should be made slow and expensive, so that people affected can be helped, with obstacles imposed on companies that try to circumvent the rules.
Will the Conservatives do more than say "Tsk!" and move on? Of course not. They see the system working as they expect, and are just a bit embarrassed that it's so obvious in this case.
The conservative mp who chairs the transport select committee seemed pretty hacked off and in full agreement the labour mp who was featured before him. It sounds pretty shocking at the moment, so hopefully a lot can be done.
The only shocking aspect I can see is that the workers seem not to have gone through any form of consultation, and the manner of communication was crass.
Otherwise, it’s pretty standard stuff, isn’t it?
Yes it seems there is a time limited offer which includes 13 weeks pay in lieu of consultation. One wonders why the company have chosen this route? Hoping for a faint accompli? I hope they get stuffed by the lawyers.
If I am reading the letter Hebblethwaite sent out correctly, then all the staff who have been fired are contracted under the laws of Jersey. Which is presumably less rigorous than UK law (which is hardly rigorous on employee rights).
I think they were probably hoping by taking this course they would get it over and done with quickly while everyone was distracted by Ukraine. In this I suspect they have made an error, particularly in having security guards with covered faces go aboard to use violence and physical restraint to enforce it. This could easily run and run should anyone bring charges of assault.
On a more pertinent point, at a time when there is spare capacity they have just guaranteed lots of negative headlines and unhappy passengers which will not do their bookings any good.
Conclusion - they're very arrogant, extremely nasty and fucking stupid.
That one on the Zoom call just looked incredibly creepy. Like that weirdo with the Nazi tattoos Putin sent into Ukraine.
“are contracted under the laws of Jersey. Which is presumably less rigorous than UK law (which is hardly rigorous on employee rights).”
Ill informed bollocks but carry on. It’s basically cut and paste from UK law.
Teachers should understand the benefits of researching what they tell people.
I see the workers are finding out what global buccaneering Britain is all about, and why they need a decent union.
Would being in the EU have made any difference though? Happy to be shown I’m wrong about that.
I took Foxy to mean trade union…
Correct.
Well yebbut "global buccaneering Britain" is an implied ref to EU membership, no?
No, it is the style of Brexit. There are others, that actually do protect the workers and farmers rather than shaft them for a quick buck.
Would being in the EU have made a difference?
I believe there would have been a compulsory consultation period. More important though is a government that believes protection of workers is not just red tape.
I think there still is, hence the ‘offer’ is 13 weeks pay in lieu of this. I hate what they are doing, but I don’t see evidence that the ability to do it is linked to Brexit. Happy to be shown I’m wrong, genuinely.
I don't think it's Brexit. It's capitalism working as designed - the employers are optimising by finding non-union staff from poorer countries willing to work for less.
As soon as globalisation took hold, I predicted that this sort of thing would become routine, though as MaxPB says it's more usually by a business reopening somewhere poorer (cf. the manufacturing industry and China). In a very crude way, it redistributes money from poorer people in rich countries to (a) employers and (b) poorer people in poorer countries.
My view, of course, is that the process needs to be balanced by intervenionist governments, who tax the employers on local turnover (none of this "Haha, we're based in the Virgin Islands" stuff), require lengthy notice, subsidise retraining, and support low-paid workers and the unemployed. Globalisation shouldn't be stopped, but it should be constrained by minimum conditions, with tax havens subject to sanctions. The process shouldn't be stopped, but it should be made slow and expensive, so that people affected can be helped, with obstacles imposed on companies that try to circumvent the rules.
Will the Conservatives do more than say "Tsk!" and move on? Of course not. They see the system working as they expect, and are just a bit embarrassed that it's so obvious in this case.
The conservative mp who chairs the transport select committee seemed pretty hacked off and in full agreement the labour mp who was featured before him. It sounds pretty shocking at the moment, so hopefully a lot can be done.
The only shocking aspect I can see is that the workers seem not to have gone through any form of consultation, and the manner of communication was crass.
Otherwise, it’s pretty standard stuff, isn’t it?
Yes it seems there is a time limited offer which includes 13 weeks pay in lieu of consultation. One wonders why the company have chosen this route? Hoping for a faint accompli? I hope they get stuffed by the lawyers.
If I am reading the letter Hebblethwaite sent out correctly, then all the staff who have been fired are contracted under the laws of Jersey. Which is presumably less rigorous than UK law (which is hardly rigorous on employee rights).
I think they were probably hoping by taking this course they would get it over and done with quickly while everyone was distracted by Ukraine. In this I suspect they have made an error, particularly in having security guards with covered faces go aboard to use violence and physical restraint to enforce it. This could easily run and run should anyone bring charges of assault.
On a more pertinent point, at a time when there is spare capacity they have just guaranteed lots of negative headlines and unhappy passengers which will not do their bookings any good.
Conclusion - they're very arrogant, extremely nasty and fucking stupid.
That one on the Zoom call just looked incredibly creepy. Like that weirdo with the Nazi tattoos Putin sent into Ukraine.
What territory is a P&O ferry? If it's somewhere like Jersey the law could for all I know be more primitive than the UK mainland (or it might be better: doesn't help that I have just been reading the latest Charles Stross novel, which in part hinges on just this kind of legal distinction between the UK/EU and the CIs).
I don't know, and from the little I do know about maritime law it's so Byzantine I doubt if anyone else does either.
However, the Hebblethwaite letter is quoted in full here:
As of this morning, we are severing the contracts of all 800 Jersey-contracted seafaring colleagues with immediate effect and will be compensating them for lack of notice with enhanced severance packages.
Now I could be wrong and 'Jersey' could be the name of a subsidiary company. But if a UK company sacks its workers without notice under UK laws for any reason other than imminent bankruptcy ('imminent' meaning 'before the end of the month') it's acting illegally. And if that were the case, the RMT would surely be seeking an injunction against the company for illegal dismissal. The fact they haven't says quite a lot in itself.
Therefore I am assuming that in some technical way P+O Ferries and their staff are not under UK law, and this seems the logical explanation.
If so that raises a much more serious question - how can a company based on UK soil, employing UK nationals, carrying out its operations in the UK, find such a loophole? And should that loophole not be closed? Or was it already closed, in which case P+O ferries may have burned their figures?
But those are arguments for lawyers to ponder later. Right now, it's not a lot of help to those people who have been booted out of work.
Quite.
On further poking around it seems as if the ships themselves are flagged outwith UK - Bermuda and Cyprus ansd Bahamas and Netherlands for instance. How it is possible to pick and choose between these, UK (mainland) and Jersey laws for employment I have no idea.
But despite what has been indignantly stated by the PBBrexiters it may well be that Brexit has after all played a role in setting the scene, rather to my surprise.
The thing about the P&O stuff, forgetting about the legalities of it all etc. is: you can tell from how these things are actually done whether the company knows itself whether it's being a bastard or not.
A 3 minute recorded message is the approach of a company that knows it's being a bastard, a company that knows that it's made a decision to fuck everyone over and then get the hell out of Dodge to not be there when the shit hits the fan.
If it's the right thing to do to save the company, get the fucking board to do a proper live meeting and take the shitty questions they're going to get from every Tom Dick and Harry whose lives they're fucking over that day.
Yes there’s a right way and a wrong way. I’ve made people redundant before and I’ve always fronted up and spoken to people. I’ve also always ensured we worked within both the letter and the spirit of the law, and did what we could to look after people. But then I would resign before I was a party to sacking a team and then immediately replacing them with a cheaper one.
Edit - not naive enough to think any of those people don’t think I’m a c**** anyway, but that’s not the point.
Ben Wallace, the defence secretary, has hit out at Russian “dirty tricks” after being targeted by an impostor posing as the Ukrainian prime minister.
He told The Times that a man pretending to be prime minister Denys Shmyhal on a video call asked him a series of questions which “got wilder and wilder so I ended the call”.
One line of inquiry is that the call was orchestrated by Russian intelligence as an attempt to extract sensitive information from Wallace or as an attempt to embarrass him.
Wallace, a former Scots Guards who was in Poland at the time, ordered an immediate inquiry to find out how the impostor was able to speak to him. It is understood the call lasted less than ten minutes.
No, but I don't think it's that outrageous that they were able to speak to him.
What he said, on the other hand...
not too bright if he got 10 minutes out of him. WTF did he talked to some looney about for nearly ten minutes before discovering he was a fake. Shows the calibre of donkey we have in Westminster.
I am assuming you are used to your calls being scheduled by your office, and that it was also occurring through a "translator" at one end or the other. I don't think the Minister is to blame.
PMSL, your excuse for him being an absolute donkey and employing other donkeys to make him look even more donkeyish.
I'm not saying they are not donkeys. It just sounds like a typical institutional failure.
Suggested test for Russian bots, if you're a senior government minister.
'Oh, hi Vol, glad you called back. Look, I've been thinking about your suggestion that Putin is invading because he's got such a tiny dick, and I spoke to Dave. He said when Putin was taking a slash next to him in Basle he had to use a pair of tweezers and a microscope to find his dick, so it sounds like...hello?'
If the rumours are true, then he wouldn't be the first Prime Minister to have an awkward godparent situation. Wendi Deng let slip that Tony Blair was godfather to one of Murdoch's daughters. David Cameron remained unhelpfully tied to Michael Gove for years after their bust-up because Sarah Vine is godmother to one of his.
So just a heads up to Boris that he might want to get prepping his lines if he's ever made Evgeny Lebedev an offer to become the spiritual guardian to one of his many, many children. Because one of the broadsheets is currently investigating a claim that he has.
If they'd been good Presbyterians life would be so much simpler.
Murdoch's children had Roman Catholic baptisms, his wife being a Catholic. Johnson is also now a Roman Catholic.
Only Cameron is Church of England
C of E IS a Catholic church. Incorporates godparents into its rituals. Same problem.
Even the Presbyterians have adult 'sponsors' of the child being baptised, even if they do not call them godparents
Strictly optional. And they should normally be the parents anyway. They are about as relevant to the core of the service as the orange blossom on a bride's dress is to the marriage.
I see the workers are finding out what global buccaneering Britain is all about, and why they need a decent union.
Would being in the EU have made any difference though? Happy to be shown I’m wrong about that.
I took Foxy to mean trade union…
Correct.
Well yebbut "global buccaneering Britain" is an implied ref to EU membership, no?
No, it is the style of Brexit. There are others, that actually do protect the workers and farmers rather than shaft them for a quick buck.
Would being in the EU have made a difference?
I believe there would have been a compulsory consultation period. More important though is a government that believes protection of workers is not just red tape.
I think there still is, hence the ‘offer’ is 13 weeks pay in lieu of this. I hate what they are doing, but I don’t see evidence that the ability to do it is linked to Brexit. Happy to be shown I’m wrong, genuinely.
I don't think it's Brexit. It's capitalism working as designed - the employers are optimising by finding non-union staff from poorer countries willing to work for less.
As soon as globalisation took hold, I predicted that this sort of thing would become routine, though as MaxPB says it's more usually by a business reopening somewhere poorer (cf. the manufacturing industry and China). In a very crude way, it redistributes money from poorer people in rich countries to (a) employers and (b) poorer people in poorer countries.
My view, of course, is that the process needs to be balanced by intervenionist governments, who tax the employers on local turnover (none of this "Haha, we're based in the Virgin Islands" stuff), require lengthy notice, subsidise retraining, and support low-paid workers and the unemployed. Globalisation shouldn't be stopped, but it should be constrained by minimum conditions, with tax havens subject to sanctions. The process shouldn't be stopped, but it should be made slow and expensive, so that people affected can be helped, with obstacles imposed on companies that try to circumvent the rules.
Will the Conservatives do more than say "Tsk!" and move on? Of course not. They see the system working as they expect, and are just a bit embarrassed that it's so obvious in this case.
The conservative mp who chairs the transport select committee seemed pretty hacked off and in full agreement the labour mp who was featured before him. It sounds pretty shocking at the moment, so hopefully a lot can be done.
The only shocking aspect I can see is that the workers seem not to have gone through any form of consultation, and the manner of communication was crass.
Otherwise, it’s pretty standard stuff, isn’t it?
Yes it seems there is a time limited offer which includes 13 weeks pay in lieu of consultation. One wonders why the company have chosen this route? Hoping for a faint accompli? I hope they get stuffed by the lawyers.
If I am reading the letter Hebblethwaite sent out correctly, then all the staff who have been fired are contracted under the laws of Jersey. Which is presumably less rigorous than UK law (which is hardly rigorous on employee rights).
I think they were probably hoping by taking this course they would get it over and done with quickly while everyone was distracted by Ukraine. In this I suspect they have made an error, particularly in having security guards with covered faces go aboard to use violence and physical restraint to enforce it. This could easily run and run should anyone bring charges of assault.
On a more pertinent point, at a time when there is spare capacity they have just guaranteed lots of negative headlines and unhappy passengers which will not do their bookings any good.
Conclusion - they're very arrogant, extremely nasty and fucking stupid.
That one on the Zoom call just looked incredibly creepy. Like that weirdo with the Nazi tattoos Putin sent into Ukraine.
“are contracted under the laws of Jersey. Which is presumably less rigorous than UK law (which is hardly rigorous on employee rights).”
Ill informed bollocks but carry on. It’s basically cut and paste from UK law.
Teachers should understand the benefits of researching what they tell people.
I did say 'if.'
But I'm intrigued you think that's copied and pasted from UK employment law. I deal with it very regularly and I've not come across that bit. Where is it?
Laura Kuenssberg Translator @BBCLauraKT BREAKING: There is a 99.9% chance that when Boris Johnson attended the Lebedev party "with girls" that he was compromised and Russia has the video footage. This theory would explain sooo much lol x
Still not sure there’s a direct connection. But there is this:
In February 2019, P&O Ferries announced that its UK fleet would be reflagged from Dover to Cyprus in response to the UK's exit from the European Union that year for "operational and accounting reasons".
I see the workers are finding out what global buccaneering Britain is all about, and why they need a decent union.
Would being in the EU have made any difference though? Happy to be shown I’m wrong about that.
I took Foxy to mean trade union…
Correct.
Well yebbut "global buccaneering Britain" is an implied ref to EU membership, no?
No, it is the style of Brexit. There are others, that actually do protect the workers and farmers rather than shaft them for a quick buck.
Would being in the EU have made a difference?
I believe there would have been a compulsory consultation period. More important though is a government that believes protection of workers is not just red tape.
I think there still is, hence the ‘offer’ is 13 weeks pay in lieu of this. I hate what they are doing, but I don’t see evidence that the ability to do it is linked to Brexit. Happy to be shown I’m wrong, genuinely.
I don't think it's Brexit. It's capitalism working as designed - the employers are optimising by finding non-union staff from poorer countries willing to work for less.
As soon as globalisation took hold, I predicted that this sort of thing would become routine, though as MaxPB says it's more usually by a business reopening somewhere poorer (cf. the manufacturing industry and China). In a very crude way, it redistributes money from poorer people in rich countries to (a) employers and (b) poorer people in poorer countries.
My view, of course, is that the process needs to be balanced by intervenionist governments, who tax the employers on local turnover (none of this "Haha, we're based in the Virgin Islands" stuff), require lengthy notice, subsidise retraining, and support low-paid workers and the unemployed. Globalisation shouldn't be stopped, but it should be constrained by minimum conditions, with tax havens subject to sanctions. The process shouldn't be stopped, but it should be made slow and expensive, so that people affected can be helped, with obstacles imposed on companies that try to circumvent the rules.
Will the Conservatives do more than say "Tsk!" and move on? Of course not. They see the system working as they expect, and are just a bit embarrassed that it's so obvious in this case.
The conservative mp who chairs the transport select committee seemed pretty hacked off and in full agreement the labour mp who was featured before him. It sounds pretty shocking at the moment, so hopefully a lot can be done.
The only shocking aspect I can see is that the workers seem not to have gone through any form of consultation, and the manner of communication was crass.
Otherwise, it’s pretty standard stuff, isn’t it?
Yes it seems there is a time limited offer which includes 13 weeks pay in lieu of consultation. One wonders why the company have chosen this route? Hoping for a faint accompli? I hope they get stuffed by the lawyers.
If I am reading the letter Hebblethwaite sent out correctly, then all the staff who have been fired are contracted under the laws of Jersey. Which is presumably less rigorous than UK law (which is hardly rigorous on employee rights).
I think they were probably hoping by taking this course they would get it over and done with quickly while everyone was distracted by Ukraine. In this I suspect they have made an error, particularly in having security guards with covered faces go aboard to use violence and physical restraint to enforce it. This could easily run and run should anyone bring charges of assault.
On a more pertinent point, at a time when there is spare capacity they have just guaranteed lots of negative headlines and unhappy passengers which will not do their bookings any good.
Conclusion - they're very arrogant, extremely nasty and fucking stupid.
That one on the Zoom call just looked incredibly creepy. Like that weirdo with the Nazi tattoos Putin sent into Ukraine.
What territory is a P&O ferry? If it's somewhere like Jersey the law could for all I know be more primitive than the UK mainland (or it might be better: doesn't help that I have just been reading the latest Charles Stross novel, which in part hinges on just this kind of legal distinction between the UK/EU and the CIs).
I don't know, and from the little I do know about maritime law it's so Byzantine I doubt if anyone else does either.
However, the Hebblethwaite letter is quoted in full here:
As of this morning, we are severing the contracts of all 800 Jersey-contracted seafaring colleagues with immediate effect and will be compensating them for lack of notice with enhanced severance packages.
Now I could be wrong and 'Jersey' could be the name of a subsidiary company. But if a UK company sacks its workers without notice under UK laws for any reason other than imminent bankruptcy ('imminent' meaning 'before the end of the month') it's acting illegally. And if that were the case, the RMT would surely be seeking an injunction against the company for illegal dismissal. The fact they haven't says quite a lot in itself.
Therefore I am assuming that in some technical way P+O Ferries and their staff are not under UK law, and this seems the logical explanation.
If so that raises a much more serious question - how can a company based on UK soil, employing UK nationals, carrying out its operations in the UK, find such a loophole? And should that loophole not be closed? Or was it already closed, in which case P+O ferries may have burned their figures?
But those are arguments for lawyers to ponder later. Right now, it's not a lot of help to those people who have been booted out of work.
Quite.
On further poking around it seems as if the ships themselves are flagged outwith UK - Bermuda and Cyprus ansd Bahamas and Netherlands for instance. How it is possible to pick and choose between these, UK (mainland) and Jersey laws for employment I have no idea.
But despite what has been indignantly stated by the PBBrexiters it may well be that Brexit has after all played a role in setting the scene, rather to my surprise.
I see the workers are finding out what global buccaneering Britain is all about, and why they need a decent union.
Would being in the EU have made any difference though? Happy to be shown I’m wrong about that.
I took Foxy to mean trade union…
Correct.
Well yebbut "global buccaneering Britain" is an implied ref to EU membership, no?
No, it is the style of Brexit. There are others, that actually do protect the workers and farmers rather than shaft them for a quick buck.
Would being in the EU have made a difference?
I believe there would have been a compulsory consultation period. More important though is a government that believes protection of workers is not just red tape.
I think there still is, hence the ‘offer’ is 13 weeks pay in lieu of this. I hate what they are doing, but I don’t see evidence that the ability to do it is linked to Brexit. Happy to be shown I’m wrong, genuinely.
I don't think it's Brexit. It's capitalism working as designed - the employers are optimising by finding non-union staff from poorer countries willing to work for less.
As soon as globalisation took hold, I predicted that this sort of thing would become routine, though as MaxPB says it's more usually by a business reopening somewhere poorer (cf. the manufacturing industry and China). In a very crude way, it redistributes money from poorer people in rich countries to (a) employers and (b) poorer people in poorer countries.
My view, of course, is that the process needs to be balanced by intervenionist governments, who tax the employers on local turnover (none of this "Haha, we're based in the Virgin Islands" stuff), require lengthy notice, subsidise retraining, and support low-paid workers and the unemployed. Globalisation shouldn't be stopped, but it should be constrained by minimum conditions, with tax havens subject to sanctions. The process shouldn't be stopped, but it should be made slow and expensive, so that people affected can be helped, with obstacles imposed on companies that try to circumvent the rules.
Will the Conservatives do more than say "Tsk!" and move on? Of course not. They see the system working as they expect, and are just a bit embarrassed that it's so obvious in this case.
The conservative mp who chairs the transport select committee seemed pretty hacked off and in full agreement the labour mp who was featured before him. It sounds pretty shocking at the moment, so hopefully a lot can be done.
The only shocking aspect I can see is that the workers seem not to have gone through any form of consultation, and the manner of communication was crass.
Otherwise, it’s pretty standard stuff, isn’t it?
Yes it seems there is a time limited offer which includes 13 weeks pay in lieu of consultation. One wonders why the company have chosen this route? Hoping for a faint accompli? I hope they get stuffed by the lawyers.
If I am reading the letter Hebblethwaite sent out correctly, then all the staff who have been fired are contracted under the laws of Jersey. Which is presumably less rigorous than UK law (which is hardly rigorous on employee rights).
I think they were probably hoping by taking this course they would get it over and done with quickly while everyone was distracted by Ukraine. In this I suspect they have made an error, particularly in having security guards with covered faces go aboard to use violence and physical restraint to enforce it. This could easily run and run should anyone bring charges of assault.
On a more pertinent point, at a time when there is spare capacity they have just guaranteed lots of negative headlines and unhappy passengers which will not do their bookings any good.
Conclusion - they're very arrogant, extremely nasty and fucking stupid.
That one on the Zoom call just looked incredibly creepy. Like that weirdo with the Nazi tattoos Putin sent into Ukraine.
“are contracted under the laws of Jersey. Which is presumably less rigorous than UK law (which is hardly rigorous on employee rights).”
Ill informed bollocks but carry on. It’s basically cut and paste from UK law.
Teachers should understand the benefits of researching what they tell people.
I did say 'if.'
But I'm intrigued you think that's copied and pasted from UK employment law. I deal with it very regularly and I've not come across that bit. Where is it?
TBF you presumably were not a teacher on the Oriana, were you? Not so likely to come up in a WM union discussion. But P&O weren't being so arseholey then, either.
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This P+O thing could have been perfectly designed by an enemy State.
Cuts off a vital transport link. Sympathy for Union action. Boosts inflation. Causes public discontent. Distracts government and media.
Who made this decision? And who, exactly, are these agency crews?
IANAL. Is it legal to handcuff people?
An entirely new workforce has already been recruited and were on standby.
Illia Ponomarenko 🇺🇦
@IAPonomarenko
Well, okay then.
In the last hours before the new war, I imagined Ukraine as Shire, and the U.S. and the UK as Gondor and Rohan.
I guess the roles have changed after 11 days of war.
Mordor and Isengard are still in the same places tho.
8:25 AM · Mar 6, 2022·Twitter for Mac
https://twitter.com/IAPonomarenko/status/1500387062238920704
1) Factory gets told no more orders
2) Factory closes
3) Factory in Eastern Europe gets more orders. Or factory staffed with cheaper workers, up the road.
The difference here is that the workplace is the same.
His poem better be a fucking epic.
"Ireland's sorrow and pain
Is now the Ukraine
And Saint Patrick's name now Zelenskyy."
It will be left to the Union to launch a legal action, and they'll be lucky to get any money out of the no doubt Byzantine ownership structure created, even if they do have a judgment in their favour in two or three years time.
The contrast with the squatters turfed out of the oligarch's mansion says it all.
Harry's Place
@hurryupharry
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4pm
Last night Chris Williamson's Resist Movement held a meeting entitled 'Zionism in Ukraine'.
David Miller and Tony Greenstein spoke of Jews and Nazis for an hour. Sian Bloor (Google her and Rothschilds) ran the meeting.
#RussiaUkraineWar
SIAN BLOOR of Chris Williamson's weird Resist Movement asks Tony Greenstein (of all people) "Why there is this collaboration of Nazis and a Jewish President?"
GREENSTEIN: "Zelenskyy is acting to Kosher the neo-Nazis, you know he is the ideal poster boy for the Azov battalion."
MILLER: "The Ukrainian military have been trained by IDF people in their training schools inc near Dnipro and of course many Israelis have arrived to fight on the Ukrainian side according to Israeli press reports"
Miller thinks this is a negative!
😆😂🤣
Lizzie isn't happy "Israel giving respite to people, to Jews, coming from Ukraine, are able to travel to Israel and they're sending jets to pick them up!"
"So that they can become settler colonists" Miller says
Greenstein jokes: "unlike the Ethiopian Jews they're high quality"
https://twitter.com/hurryupharry/status/1504474819726745612
"is this literally the worst poem ever written?"
https://twitter.com/glentickle/status/1504545936994885634?s=20&t=kbEeOhl4o5qZ3aQ2AxNSQg
It actually begins
"Oh St Patrick he drove out the snakes"
And gets worse and worse from there
These are the people Corbyn surrounded himself with.
Thompsons Solicitors
@ThompsonsLaw
[2/3] The law states that if you’re dismissing more than 20 employees, you must consult with them. The larger the number of employees being dismissed, the longer the consultation should be – up to 45 days.
As soon as globalisation took hold, I predicted that this sort of thing would become routine, though as MaxPB says it's more usually by a business reopening somewhere poorer (cf. the manufacturing industry and China). In a very crude way, it redistributes money from poorer people in rich countries to (a) employers and (b) poorer people in poorer countries.
My view, of course, is that the process needs to be balanced by interventionist governments, who tax the employers on local turnover (none of this "Haha, we're based in the Virgin Islands" stuff), require lengthy notice, subsidise retraining, and support low-paid workers and the unemployed. Globalisation shouldn't be stopped, but it should be constrained by minimum conditions, with tax havens subject to sanctions. The process shouldn't be stopped, but it should be made slow and expensive, so that people affected can be helped, with obstacles imposed on companies that try to circumvent the rules.
Will the Conservatives do more than say "Tsk!" and move on? Of course not. They see the system working as they expect, and are just a bit embarrassed that it's so obvious in this case.
Unions exist so that the membership has access to top quality legal assistance in matters like this P+O scandal. The top trade union work firms like Thompsons have people who know this stuff, as do lots of top barristers like John Hendy. Interview them instead of a bunch of no nothing MPs and hangers on.
That’s a loooooong time to be clogging up the u-bend of celebrity.
Visegrád 24
@visegrad24
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7m
Moldova has called on Russia to withdraw it troops from Transnistria.
President Maia Sandu demanded a “complete and unconditional withdrawal of Russian forces” from the unrecognized breakaway region during yesterday’s UN General Assembly meeting.
It sounds pretty shocking at the moment, so hopefully a lot can be done.
Otherwise, it’s pretty standard stuff, isn’t it?
Phil Stewart
@phildstewart
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39m
White House cites 'high concern' that China may provide Russia with weapons - Reuters
https://twitter.com/phildstewart
olexander scherba🇺🇦
@olex_scherba
#Ukraine’s chief rabbi congratulates on the holiday of #Purim - with the song “My #Kyiv, you are impossible not to love!” … #StandWithUkraine #UkraineRussiaWar #UkraineWillPrevail #НетВойнe #РоссияСмотри
https://twitter.com/olex_scherba/status/1504540256527433734
@WSJ
In rural Russia, locals back Putin’s decision to send an army to Ukraine. “I support everything that is for victory and for Putin.”
https://twitter.com/WSJ/status/1504529265789964288
She should have stuck with Yeats, as @Cyclefree could have told her.
Fucking morons the lot of them.
Happy St Patrick’s Day, all.
If the rumours are true, then he wouldn't be the first Prime Minister to have an awkward godparent situation. Wendi Deng let slip that Tony Blair was godfather to one of Murdoch's daughters. David Cameron remained unhelpfully tied to Michael Gove for years after their bust-up because Sarah Vine is godmother to one of his.
So just a heads up to Boris that he might want to get prepping his lines if he's ever made Evgeny Lebedev an offer to become the spiritual guardian to one of his many, many children. Because one of the broadsheets is currently investigating a claim that he has.
It seems to have worked as we spent an entire afternoon debating plane movements over the Urals.
Total sleazeball, he made improper suggestions to my wife.
Frankly his plastering wasn’t up to much, either.
I think they were probably hoping by taking this course they would get it over and done with quickly while everyone was distracted by Ukraine. In this I suspect they have made an error, particularly in having security guards with covered faces go aboard to use violence and physical restraint to enforce it. This could easily run and run should anyone bring charges of assault.
On a more pertinent point, at a time when there is spare capacity they have just guaranteed lots of negative headlines and unhappy passengers which will not do their bookings any good.
Conclusion - they're very arrogant, extremely nasty and fucking stupid.
That one on the Zoom call just looked incredibly creepy. Like that weirdo with the Nazi tattoos Putin sent into Ukraine.
The whole system's a fucking sham, and the only "leader" the Left could find to speak a word against it was a useless idiot who indulged anti-Semitism.
Tear the whole thing down. It's just not good enough.
Anton Shekhovtsov
@A_SHEKH0VTS0V
“Ordinary Russians” warn their neighbours against feeding birds as they are apparently weaponised with diseases originating from 36 US laboratories in Ukraine. #Russia #RussianGuilt
https://twitter.com/A_SHEKH0VTS0V/status/1504553312485576708
Can they do Gerhard Schroeder next?
And then, Boris.
Only Cameron is Church of England
However, the Hebblethwaite letter is quoted in full here:
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/po-chiefs-letter-over-mass-26495822
This is the passage that seems to me to be key:
As of this morning, we are severing the contracts of all 800 Jersey-contracted seafaring colleagues with immediate effect and will be compensating them for lack of notice with enhanced severance packages.
Now I could be wrong and 'Jersey' could be the name of a subsidiary company. But if a UK company sacks its workers without notice under UK laws for any reason other than imminent bankruptcy ('imminent' meaning 'before the end of the month') it's acting illegally. And if that were the case, the RMT would surely be seeking an injunction against the company for illegal dismissal. The fact they haven't says quite a lot in itself.
Therefore I am assuming that in some technical way P+O Ferries and their staff are not under UK law, and this seems the logical explanation.
If so that raises a much more serious question - how can a company based on UK soil, employing UK nationals, carrying out its operations in the UK, find such a loophole? And should that loophole not be closed? Or was it already closed, in which case P+O ferries may have burned their figures?
But those are arguments for lawyers to ponder later. Right now, it's not a lot of help to those people who have been booted out of work.
A 3 minute recorded message is the approach of a company that knows it's being a bastard, a company that knows that it's made a decision to fuck everyone over and then get the hell out of Dodge to not be there when the shit hits the fan.
If it's the right thing to do to save the company, get the fucking board to do a proper live meeting and take the shitty questions they're going to get from every Tom Dick and Harry whose lives they're fucking over that day.
The UK is Hazzard County and Johnson is Boss Hogg.
Ill informed bollocks but carry on. It’s basically cut and paste from UK law.
Teachers should understand the benefits of researching what they tell people.
On further poking around it seems as if the ships themselves are flagged outwith UK - Bermuda and Cyprus ansd Bahamas and Netherlands for instance. How it is possible to pick and choose between these, UK (mainland) and Jersey laws for employment I have no idea.
But despite what has been indignantly stated by the PBBrexiters it may well be that Brexit has after all played a role in setting the scene, rather to my surprise.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/po-ferries-re-flag-ships-13892057
https://www.irishtimes.com/business/transport-and-tourism/government-seeks-answers-on-irish-routes-as-p-o-ferries-suspends-services-1.4829598
https://www.kentlive.news/news/kent-news/po-what-new-announcement-mean-6818261
Edit - not naive enough to think any of those people don’t think I’m a c**** anyway, but that’s not the point.
'Oh, hi Vol, glad you called back. Look, I've been thinking about your suggestion that Putin is invading because he's got such a tiny dick, and I spoke to Dave. He said when Putin was taking a slash next to him in Basle he had to use a pair of tweezers and a microscope to find his dick, so it sounds like...hello?'
But I'm intrigued you think that's copied and pasted from UK employment law. I deal with it very regularly and I've not come across that bit. Where is it?
@BBCLauraKT
BREAKING: There is a 99.9% chance that when Boris Johnson attended the Lebedev party "with girls" that he was compromised and Russia has the video footage. This theory would explain sooo much lol x
In February 2019, P&O Ferries announced that its UK fleet would be reflagged from Dover to Cyprus in response to the UK's exit from the European Union that year for "operational and accounting reasons".