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  • When the real terms pay cut begins to bite, then we will see the Tories fall into the 20s.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,617

    https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0065938/

    Comedy action film about Clint Eastwood and chums robbing a bank behind German lines.

    Featuring Donald Sutherland as a demented tank commander, and the best reproduction of a Tiger 1 before Bovington got Tiger 131 running again.
    Thanks! Never seen it, so must try it. Though btw Tanks for Stalin has a good try on prototype T-34s (you need to know them at the rivet level to spot the shortcuts) and has a T-35 (much better than the storyline).

    https://www.imdb.com/title/tt8396188/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1

    And this isn't bad -

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htnHGJMNjn8
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,520

    Not sure I understand. Is that where you think I am on the continuum (15 points right of the median)?
    Yep. Bringing all of your views together - each being a point in their own right - 65 emerges as the single weighted average measure. In words - an inhabitant of the centre ground just as and slightly before it starts to merge into more clearly right wing territory. House prices are quite high there, above the national average.
  • The right wing "mob" on here says polls don't matter yet they post them instantly when Labour is going backwards.

    But a bad poll for the Tories and "more important things going on" is the reaction.

    Hypocrisy.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 43,127
    Dura_Ace said:

    Why can't he? Doesn't Zelenskyy have a big enough fridge for him to hide in?
    Fear that experiencing the FLSOJ in the porcine flesh may make the scales fall from Z’s eyes?
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022
    Sandpit said:

    Little Cessnas, helicopters and drones. YR5622?
    Whatever it was, it’s landed back at Suceava. Maybe the flying school instructor will tell the pupil that they were #4 on FlightRadar24!
  • I wonder why so many people are willing to have Ukrainians in their homes and not say people from Afghanistan or Iraq?
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,520

    I’m on not so sleepy. But the choice is yours to decide of those two horses which stands best chance. 🙂

    I’m also v’s Malky’s Blue Lord in the Arkle. Game on.
    Well that's a MASSIVE price. If that wins it'll buy you an awful lot of losses.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,222

    When the real terms pay cut begins to bite, then we will see the Tories fall into the 20s.

    Why? People know Labour offer nothing different. People might not vote at all, for anybody, but the idea that Starmer gets a massive boost is highly questionable.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 14,008

    Crapgame : Then make a DEAL!
    Big Joe : What kind of deal?
    Crapgame : A DEAL, deal! Maybe the guy's a Republican. "Business is business," right?
    😆

    Comedy action you called it, but it’s quite emotional in parts too? Draws you in. Every character in the film is very credible. Though the scenes with US commander lol funny. And funniest bit is opening, sat in his kit in middle of German held town!
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,902
    11 years today since the war in #Syria started, half a million people killed, half of the population forced from their homes
    https://twitter.com/mojobeirut/status/1503639952550150148
  • MISTYMISTY Posts: 1,594

    I wonder why so many people are willing to have Ukrainians in their homes and not say people from Afghanistan or Iraq?

    You have a point.

    With the Ukrainians I would have to think about monitoring the levels on the spirits bottles with a marker pen and counting my wine cases.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 14,008
    kinabalu said:

    Well that's a MASSIVE price. If that wins it'll buy you an awful lot of losses.
    Betting with my heart today. That’s the way to go.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,502

    I wonder why so many people are willing to have Ukrainians in their homes and not say people from Afghanistan or Iraq?

    Happier to have women and children rather than men.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 14,232

    Of course nobody is obliged to deference or respect to anyone.

    Some common sense might be in order though. Putin's people are scouring the internet for criticisms of Ukraine supporting Western leaders to show the Russians that those leaders get far more criticism than he does.

    Some unthinking FBPE moron on twitter posted a the other day "who do you trust more; Boris Johnson or Vladmir Putin?"

    Hundreds of unthinking FBPE morons voted against our PM.

    That poll has featured on Russian state media.

    Pull your heads out of your arses.
    Nothing anybody posts on here has any effect on anything.

    If "Russian State Media" is closely monitoring then I will go on the record and say, "I hope Johnson goes to Kyiv and gets hit in his fat cock with a shrapnel from a stray 82mm Russian Army mortar round."
  • ApplicantApplicant Posts: 3,379

    The right wing "mob" on here says polls don't matter yet they post them instantly when Labour is going backwards.

    But a bad poll for the Tories and "more important things going on" is the reaction.

    Hypocrisy.

    You say that just as if the Left don't do the exact mirror image.
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,744
    How is levelling up going? Not well, I'd suggest. The ONS pay data published today shows that it is the lower paid (and public sector workers) whose pay is falling furthest behind inflation rates. And it is also the lower paid, of course, who suffer most from rising energy and food costs. So, levelling up isn't actually happening at all at an individual level.

    This doesn't matter at all at the moment, of course. But when/if we return to normal, post-Ukraine post-Covid politics, I think the government will struggle to argue that it is levelling up by helping those in the bottom quartile of the labour market.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,839
    Dura_Ace said:

    Nothing anybody posts on here has any effect on anything.

    If "Russian State Media" is closely monitoring then I will go on the record and say, "I hope Johnson goes to Kyiv and gets hit in his fat cock with a shrapnel from a stray 82mm Russian Army mortar round."
    Why not a 120mm mortar? Mixed feelings on the issue?
  • tlg86 said:

    Happier to have women and children rather than men.
    Ukrainian men are primarily staying to fight for their homeland while the women and children flee.

    The "refugees" photographed in crossings/Calais etc seem to be 90%+ young men not women or children.

    Its certainly easier to appreciate the former more than the latter as genuine refugees deserving of sympathy.
  • MISTYMISTY Posts: 1,594

    How is levelling up going? Not well, I'd suggest. The ONS pay data published today shows that it is the lower paid (and public sector workers) whose pay is falling furthest behind inflation rates. And it is also the lower paid, of course, who suffer most from rising energy and food costs. So, levelling up isn't actually happening at all at an individual level.

    This doesn't matter at all at the moment, of course. But when/if we return to normal, post-Ukraine post-Covid politics, I think the government will struggle to argue that it is levelling up by helping those in the bottom quartile of the labour market.

    And labour will propose a wealth tax to replace the current system, offering the low paid tax cuts.

    That proposal might prove quite poplar.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,839
    edited March 2022

    I'm not sure it was human rights that so bothered them. More that Venezuela had the temerity to fight back.
    Chave and Co. were running a kleptocracy behind a front of Peronism. The successors aren't much different.

    EDIT: And they haven't much leverage with the Americans. They've collapsed the oil industry to the point that without massive outside help, production will only decline. And since they seized all the assets of foreign companies....
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022

    How is levelling up going? Not well, I'd suggest. The ONS pay data published today shows that it is the lower paid (and public sector workers) whose pay is falling furthest behind inflation rates. And it is also the lower paid, of course, who suffer most from rising energy and food costs. So, levelling up isn't actually happening at all at an individual level.

    This doesn't matter at all at the moment, of course. But when/if we return to normal, post-Ukraine post-Covid politics, I think the government will struggle to argue that it is levelling up by helping those in the bottom quartile of the labour market.

    Look at the outcry that MPs might get 3%, in today’s press. That’s well short of inflation.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,378
    Mr. Al, the public sector does, however, benefit from far better job security and pensions, though.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,135
    Stocky said:

    Chat with my telephone provider last week.

    BT/Openreach copper wire system being turned off from 2025. Unless people move to VOIP they will lose their phone inc their number. News to me. They say that Openreach cannot possibly service the mass change last-minute to VOIP that this will cause, so it is inevitable that some will lose their phone numbers.

    Nobody wants the copper wires to be switched off. They shouldn't do it. Plus they work during power cuts.
  • darkagedarkage Posts: 5,398

    I wonder why so many people are willing to have Ukrainians in their homes and not say people from Afghanistan or Iraq?

    Thats not completely true. There were a lot of people willing to take in Syrians over the past few years.

    It has been heavily criticised on here, but the requirement that people find their own refugees to house was a good idea. They can make contact on social media and decide themselves whether or not they are willing to house them and sponsor them. Makes people think a bit about what they are getting in to, and consequently the relationship is more likely to succeed. Some of these relationships will inevitably break down over time and people will fall back on the state to try and fix them; this reduces the risk of that happening.

  • Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 14,757
    kinabalu said:

    Yep. Bringing all of your views together - each being a point in their own right - 65 emerges as the single weighted average measure. In words - an inhabitant of the centre ground just as and slightly before it starts to merge into more clearly right wing territory. House prices are quite high there, above the national average.
    It may be a fair assessment lol. Where are you? about 45?
  • The right wing "mob" on here says polls don't matter yet they post them instantly when Labour is going backwards.

    But a bad poll for the Tories and "more important things going on" is the reaction.

    Hypocrisy.

    Nonsense. There's a tiny proportion of people who obsessively post about polls, most others don't regardless of what it says.

    I never post or share or comment on polls as a general rule, regardless of what it says (unless that's exceptionally interesting/about Die Hard as a Christmas movie).

    Your problem too often, with respect, is you merge all right wingers together. So because one or two right wingers obsess about polls, suddenly all right wingers are hypocrites when different right wingers say polls don't matter.

    Not how it works. We right wingers, just as much as you left wingers, don't operate with a hive mind. A tiny few are poll obsessives, the vast bulk are not and polls don't matter in midterms, regardless of what they say.
  • Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 14,757

    Thank you (and to everyone else who wrote replies yesterday too), it means a lot.
    I did not see your post, but my condolences nonetheless.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 5,487

    As President and cofounder of the Start The War Coalition and life long (and current) Tory member I love it when I get called a lefty.

    Oh, and hurrah for the end of Covid-19 restrictions.

    I miss the days when Mick Pork used to call me a far right Tory.

    Whatever happened to chortling Mick?
  • glwglw Posts: 10,306

    Wifi and mobile reception in my bit of Surrey are occasionally a bit iffy, so I value the landline as a fallback - the BT unlimited mobile+internet deal for £28ish works for me. Unwise to be entirely dependent on the internet, I think.

    You are dedependent on the "the internet" for your phone line today. BT switched to IP networking for their core network years and years ago. All that is really changing is that they will get rid of the last bits of the old network which run from local exchanges and street cabinets to customer phones.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 43,127
    ..

    Why not a 120mm mortar? Mixed feelings on the issue?
    Imagining BJ living on but libbed might indicate pretty clear feelings on the matter.
  • DayTripperDayTripper Posts: 138
    Stocky said:

    Oh, that's worrying. Who is her provider? I'm with Simple Telecoms (who are excellent).
    When I renewed my BT contract recently (Halo 3) they provided an Advanced Digital phone with Alexa (not really very useful) and a gadget that connects to the Internet via an EE mobile connection should your router lose connectivity (which we did thanks to Storm Eunice - so we were grateful to get 10mbps instead of our usual 30). The downside though is that none of our 4 DECT phones worked any longer, so I had to buy more advanced digital handsets, and if we lose power we lose any connectivity - so no way of making an emergency call. And don't talk to me about numbers starting with 07; out here in rural Suffolk you're bloody lucky to get any mobile signal at all. (I'm surprised the EE failover thingy works, cos my phone (also EE) doesn't).
  • FossFoss Posts: 1,347
    edited March 2022
    Andy_JS said:

    Nobody wants the copper wires to be switched off. They shouldn't do it. Plus they work during power cuts.
    I suspect there's a big generation gap there between those who have always had a mobile phone as their primary phone line and those who didn't.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,281
    Nigelb said:

    Hard to believe it's over half a century old.
    I rewatched it fairly recently, and it was much, much slower than I recall, though still fairly entertaining.
    In contrast, I rewatched The Lady Vanishes the other day - tightly plotted, and fairly bowls along. Hitchcock was a genius.
    When cinema chains owned studios there was an incentive to keep films shorter - 4 showings vs 3. But film bloat has been with us for a long time, the original "Gaslight" ran to 89 minutes, the MGM remake 4 years later added 25 minutes, for an inferior film.
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,744

    Mr. Al, the public sector does, however, benefit from far better job security and pensions, though.

    Gosh, I've never heard that one before Mr D! But my post was primarily about the low paid and levelling up (or not), not the public sector, as a careful reading will tell you.
  • kamskikamski Posts: 6,281

    The problem is my booster will be 9 months old by June, and it is as you say access to any venues that is the issue. I can fly into Catania no problem, it's just getting a beer afterwards that might be a trial.
    https://italygreenpass.com/vaccination-certificate-valid-indefinitely-for-those-with-booster/
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,520
    Dura_Ace said:

    Nothing anybody posts on here has any effect on anything.

    If "Russian State Media" is closely monitoring then I will go on the record and say, "I hope Johnson goes to Kyiv and gets hit in his fat cock with a shrapnel from a stray 82mm Russian Army mortar round."
    Yep. But as we were saying yesterday the guy is absurdly lucky. So it'll bounce off his belt buckle, take a dive down his trouser leg and cause an heroic-looking but essentially minor injury to his big toe. He gets fixed up and carries on. The polls twitch by another couple of points.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 43,127

    Ukrainian men are primarily staying to fight for their homeland while the women and children flee.

    The "refugees" photographed in crossings/Calais etc seem to be 90%+ young men not women or children.

    Its certainly easier to appreciate the former more than the latter as genuine refugees deserving of sympathy.
    The unarguable statistical analysis of ‘seem to be 90%+ young men’ certainly clears up the issue for me.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,839
    glw said:

    You are dedependent on the "the internet" for your phone line today. BT switched to IP networking for their core network years and years ago. All that is really changing is that they will get rid of the last bits of the old network which run from local exchanges and street cabinets to customer phones.
    Indeed.

    I wrote some code for digital switching. For Egypt. In 1995.
  • Dura_Ace said:

    Nothing anybody posts on here has any effect on anything.

    If "Russian State Media" is closely monitoring then I will go on the record and say, "I hope Johnson goes to Kyiv and gets hit in his fat cock with a shrapnel from a stray 82mm Russian Army mortar round."
    Sometimes I guess it's too firmly inserted for removal.

    How and why do Putin-bots appear here, interact with us, yet not report back?
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,281
    In a (extremely rare open) cafe in Kyiv I ask for tea with cold milk. Eugene and Vlad are horrified: "there are other ways of proving you are not a Russian spy."

    #TherewillalwaysbeanEngland


    https://twitter.com/johnsweeneyroar/status/1503669846940258307
  • Why is a refugee being a man an issue?
  • mwadamsmwadams Posts: 3,771

    How many people still use copper wire phone numbers? Primarily the elderly I guess? And businesses I suppose.

    I haven't used one in over a decade, and almost never used it in another decade before that. Businesses can probably more easily cajoled to switching over, so we just need to offer support to the elderly to switch to something 21st century.
    And things like Personal Alarms will need to be upgraded to the 3G or internet models; I'm assuming AgeUK (who are the biggest commercial supplier of such tech through a subsidiary) will help with that.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,839

    In a (extremely rare open) cafe in Kyiv I ask for tea with cold milk. Eugene and Vlad are horrified: "there are other ways of proving you are not a Russian spy."

    #TherewillalwaysbeanEngland


    https://twitter.com/johnsweeneyroar/status/1503669846940258307

    Drinking red wine with the fish and holding the knife wrong are the give-aways

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8S3WduxpZ0
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 43,127
    Carnyx said:

    Thanks! Never seen it, so must try it. Though btw Tanks for Stalin has a good try on prototype T-34s (you need to know them at the rivet level to spot the shortcuts) and has a T-35 (much better than the storyline).

    https://www.imdb.com/title/tt8396188/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1

    And this isn't bad -

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htnHGJMNjn8
    I believe the the same T34/35 conversion plays the Tiger in Saving Private Ryan. It’s the scale thing that lets it down but definitely better than an M47 with a cross on it.

    Vlad might be reduced to rolling this out.

    https://youtu.be/Wlv6iuLT6-s
  • We're part of an information war, whether we like it or not.

    I've picked the right side.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,520

    It may be a fair assessment lol. Where are you? about 45?
    I do have a score - a fair and accurate one which is lower than 45 - but as the person running the show I have to keep it to myself. For obvious reasons. If I were to disclose it and people violently disagreed they'd start disputing their own scores and the whole system would be undermined.
  • mwadamsmwadams Posts: 3,771
    Stocky said:

    Like many I'm uncomfortable with not having land line - though I'm not sure why.
    It's fair to say that VOIP is now more reliable than PSTN; it's simple to switch to a different datacentre if you've got problems with your primary, so you wouldn't even notice a call drop, for example. That wasn't always the case.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,902
    Russia is preparing a mass deforestation of Ukraine’s temporarily occupied territories, said the Ministry of Defense, citing a letter from Sergei Shoigu to Putin, Russia is planning to cut down greenery of “any age, regardless of ownership and land zoning.”
    https://mobile.twitter.com/Hromadske/status/1503694649436819463
  • OllyTOllyT Posts: 5,027
    edited March 2022

    I am due to visit Sicily in June. The Italian authorities are relaxing their rules for the six month plus boostered so long as the three vaccines have been mix and matched. I am thrice Pfizered, and will not be allowed in as fully vaccinated on current terms.
    Difficult to keep track of travel requirements. Also going to Italy in June, arriving by car via France & Switzerland. Have had the 3 jabs 2 AZ, 1 Pfizer. As it stands can I just enter Italy without doing anything but having proof of our vax? I'm being lazy you sound as though you have researched the issue!
  • MightyAlexMightyAlex Posts: 1,750

    Chave and Co. were running a kleptocracy behind a front of Peronism. The successors aren't much different.

    EDIT: And they haven't much leverage with the Americans. They've collapsed the oil industry to the point that without massive outside help, production will only decline. And since they seized all the assets of foreign companies....
    I don't doubt it.

    Yet if Venezuela had been the archetypal corrupt military dictatorship I'm sure that American relations would have been vastly different. They might have even supplied some liquidation lists as they helpfully provided in Argentina, Brazil, Chile, Bolivia....

    Much like Cuba IMO American policy made this rod so belligerent.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,902
    Number of Ukraine refugees tops 3m.
  • I wonder if the Daily Mail is happy with refugees from Ukraine is because they're not black unlike those nasty people from Syria
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022
    edited March 2022
    Nigelb said:

    Russia is preparing a mass deforestation of Ukraine’s temporarily occupied territories, said the Ministry of Defense, citing a letter from Sergei Shoigu to Putin, Russia is planning to cut down greenery of “any age, regardless of ownership and land zoning.”
    https://mobile.twitter.com/Hromadske/status/1503694649436819463

    That’ll make life somewhat easier for the Ukranian drones to spot the Russki tanks.
  • NorthstarNorthstar Posts: 140
    kinabalu said:

    I do have a score - a fair and accurate one which is lower than 45 - but as the person running the show I have to keep it to myself. For obvious reasons. If I were to disclose it and people violently disagreed they'd start disputing their own scores and the whole system would be undermined.
    Don’t be such a tease. I’m guessing you’re a sharp 33 - solidly left wing while speaking the lingo of the centrists, yet a respectful distance from the crazies down in the <20 zone.

    Either that or a -4.
  • pingping Posts: 3,805
    edited March 2022
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 13,825

    Why? People know Labour offer nothing different. People might not vote at all, for anybody, but the idea that Starmer gets a massive boost is highly questionable.
    There are two different discussions and questions here. We need to distinguish them carefully.

    What will be the polling effect of events X, Y and Z on parties A, B and C

    What are the actual policies, decisions, changes which parties A, B and C actually propose which distinguish them from each other and can be implemented without logical contradiction.

    PB is getting slightly shifted towards considering the first question - which is more significant for betting, guessing and general fun; while the second question is tricky and matters quite a lot. And opposition (government also) parties don't want you to ask it very much.

  • FossFoss Posts: 1,347
    edited March 2022

    I believe the the same T34/35 conversion plays the Tiger in Saving Private Ryan. It’s the scale thing that lets it down but definitely better than an M47 with a cross on it.

    Vlad might be reduced to rolling this out.

    https://youtu.be/Wlv6iuLT6-s
    The Ukrainians have been using anti-tank hedgehogs taken from museums.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,839
    kinabalu said:

    I do have a score - a fair and accurate one which is lower than 45 - but as the person running the show I have to keep it to myself. For obvious reasons. If I were to disclose it and people violently disagreed they'd start disputing their own scores and the whole system would be undermined.
    Simpler to get everyone to do their https://www.politicalcompass.org/ test

    Mine - https://www.politicalcompass.org/yourpoliticalcompass?ec=-2.75&soc=-5.49
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,482

    I wonder if the Daily Mail is happy with refugees from Ukraine is because they're not black unlike those nasty people from Syria

    Black people from Syria?
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 19,135

    There is a booster scheme starting shortly for elderly and immune compromised. I also expect we may have a similar scheme in the autumn, catching those who normally get flu shots.

    The current wibble from the wibblers is all about getting covid multiple times and it getting worse each time... Some evidence in some patients of damage to the immune system, which is clearly sub optimal. However for most people a couple of infections and you have pretty good baseline immunity. Later events tend to mildness.
    This is totally born* out by hospital data. Take note of how few are on MV beds. Take not of how many are admitted for other issues and happen to have covid.
    The wibblers are getting in a tizz that everyone is going to keep catching covid, that it will get worse each time as it degrades their immune system and that they are playing Russian Roulette with long covid - i.e. every infection has x chance of getting long covid, so the more times you go to the well, the greater your chance of long covid.

    There is a lot we don't know. I suspect there will be high correlation between wibblers and people who have long covid. Some people suffer grievous harm from covid - organ damage etc. But others are probably more akin to CFS - they need help, but it probably won't be via a pharmaceutical treatment. It also won't help to have people dismiss it. I was interested by a long covid clinic story in the Times a week or so back. For one patient, the treatment was breathing related, and very mush like meditation/mindfullness. The implication was that he had become extremely anxious about things, which caused him to stop breathing correctly, which then made him breathless, and anxious...

    As I keep saying, some long covid is clearly associated with physical damage. Some I suspect is damage to the mind. Both need our compassion, help and support.
    My wife sprained her ankle in 2019. If she walks too far it becomes bruised and painful again. When she mentioned this on an NHS pain management course she was told it was impossible that she still had a physical injury, and this was all in her mind.

    The treatment of people with chronic conditions by the NHS is generally disgraceful, and it's that experience which makes my wife particularly reluctant to risk adding long Covid to her existing chronic condition. (But that means she's basically trapped)

    Perhaps long Covid creates an opportunity for the NHS to start again with chronic conditions, and learn how to deal with them?
  • MightyAlexMightyAlex Posts: 1,750
    ping said:

    https://amp.ft.com/content/528f580a-6770-4940-b8f8-670cf409580a

    Chinese shares fall another ~6%. 20% down in 2022

    Any ownership right derived from the Chinese shares I can buy is incredibly obscure right? Something about island tax havens IIRC.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,295
    Nigelb said:

    Russia is preparing a mass deforestation of Ukraine’s temporarily occupied territories, said the Ministry of Defense, citing a letter from Sergei Shoigu to Putin, Russia is planning to cut down greenery of “any age, regardless of ownership and land zoning.”
    https://mobile.twitter.com/Hromadske/status/1503694649436819463

    Even Hitler would have spared the trees. Bit of a Green, Adolf
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 29,660
    edited March 2022
    Totally off-topic but a wonderful scam. Trains from Gatwick to London. All operated by GTR who have multiple brands - Thameslink, Southern and Gatwick Express.

    The GX train is the same rolling stock as the Southern train, takes the same time (30 mins vs 32 for the non-"express". On the screens at Gatwick both are advertised as operated by Southern. One train is red, the other white and green.

    So if you get the SN train it's £9 single. If you get the GX service it's £18 single. I know trains, looked for "southern" and was surprised to see GX stock rolling in. So I changed platform for the 2 minutes slower service.

    How many people are they scamming like this? You literally pay double the fare for the same train on the same route with a 2 minute time difference...

    EDIT - apparently the Gatwick Express is suspended. So no double fare. But when it is running it's still double the fare to save 2 minutes
  • pingping Posts: 3,805

    Any ownership right derived from the Chinese shares I can buy is incredibly obscure right? Something about island tax havens IIRC.
    Sure, that’s probably part of it.
  • Has anyone seen Chris Williamson on Press TV?

    Is he actually too stupid to know that he's shilling for Putin, or too stupid to care?
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 43,127
    edited March 2022

    Black people from Syria?
    They certainly exist.
    I tend to think folk who have a view on black Syrians wouldn’t be so ungenerous as not to apply it to brown Syrians.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,902
    Sandpit said:

    That’ll make life somewhat easier for the Ukranian drones to spot the Russki tanks.
    This is about despoiling occupied territory.
    They want to sell the timber.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,839

    Totally off-topic but a wonderful scam. Trains from Gatwick to London. All operated by GTR who have multiple brands - Thameslink, Southern and Gatwick Express.

    The GX train is the same rolling stock as the Southern train, takes the same time (30 mins vs 32 for the non-"express". On the screens at Gatwick both are advertised as operated by Southern. One train is red, the other white and green.

    So if you get the SN train it's £9 single. If you get the GX service it's £18 single. I know trains, looked for "southern" and was surprised to see GX stock rolling in. So I changed platform for the 2 minutes slower service.

    How many people are they scamming like this? You literally pay double the fare for the same train on the same route with a 2 minute time difference...

    EDIT - apparently the Gatwick Express is suspended. So no double fare. But when it is running it's still double the fare to save 2 minutes

    Using the Heathrow Express "brand" to upsell tickets...
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 9,602

    For much the same reason he was once popular in UK, Big G. He tells Ukraine exactly what they want to hear.

    France and Germany dropped by before the war, after chat with Putin, and told Ukraine to adopt Minsk 2, Boris dropped by and told them exactly what they wanted to hear.

    As our leader, He represents us. Where he speaks on this, Britain speaks, where he walks Britain walks. If he is a cad (partygate etc) and ultimately hated for saying what someone wants to hear and not following through on promise (weak on Oligarchs and so slow and mess on refugees Putin’s generals could be managing it) we will all be hated. 😕
    Minsk 2 was not a good outcome for Ukraine.

  • I wonder if the Daily Mail is happy with refugees from Ukraine is because they're not black unlike those nasty people from Syria

    I am surprised you read the daily mail
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,477
    Leon said:

    As I imply, India will play both sides until forced to choose
    You don't think they'll be less inclined to back the side that's forcing them to choose?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,839

    Black people from Syria?

    Forget it, he's rolling
  • kjhkjh Posts: 12,392
    Carnyx said:

    Which film is that, please?
    Kelly's Heroes. Donald Sutherland is excellent as a WW2 hippy tank commander
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,902
    Capture of artillery is consistent with Ukranian claims of Russian tactical reverses outside Mikolayiv.

    Ukrainian forces captured four D-30A/2A18M 122mm howitzers in the vicinty of #Mykolaiv, along with large quantities of 3OF56 projectiles with propellant charges/cases; it appears that a small artillery position was abandoned.
    https://mobile.twitter.com/UAWeapons/status/1503667414365614080
  • Sandpit said:

    Look at the outcry that MPs might get 3%, in today’s press. That’s well short of inflation.
    Welsh government quango has awarded Conwy councillors a 16.9% rise

    One rule for them, another for the rest of us
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,502

    Totally off-topic but a wonderful scam. Trains from Gatwick to London. All operated by GTR who have multiple brands - Thameslink, Southern and Gatwick Express.

    The GX train is the same rolling stock as the Southern train, takes the same time (30 mins vs 32 for the non-"express". On the screens at Gatwick both are advertised as operated by Southern. One train is red, the other white and green.

    So if you get the SN train it's £9 single. If you get the GX service it's £18 single. I know trains, looked for "southern" and was surprised to see GX stock rolling in. So I changed platform for the 2 minutes slower service.

    How many people are they scamming like this? You literally pay double the fare for the same train on the same route with a 2 minute time difference...

    EDIT - apparently the Gatwick Express is suspended. So no double fare. But when it is running it's still double the fare to save 2 minutes

    It’s not just about time. Pre-COVID it got you a seat and the red 377s are fitted out for luggage.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 33,236

    Labour picking up the peculiar "must be a social media friend" angle to the refugee scheme that Richard Tyndall came across yesterday:

    https://mailchi.mp/3178b72d3619/the-electoral-college-returns-4200908?e=d8b80b1dfe

    (Ignore the irrelevant URL title, it's not about the electoral college)

    Thanks to a link from Lucy last night I am now on a facebook page designed to put refugees in contact with prospective sponsors/accommodation. It is pan European with 54,000 members so far which seem to be evenly split between providers and refugees. The UK's visa requirements are definitely putting some people off but the main driver seems to be language with people prioritising destinations based on their language abilities. This seems very sensible to me as most are working age women with families who aren't just looking for charity but want to be able to pay their way and support themselves.
  • darkagedarkage Posts: 5,398
    Nigelb said:

    Russia is preparing a mass deforestation of Ukraine’s temporarily occupied territories, said the Ministry of Defense, citing a letter from Sergei Shoigu to Putin, Russia is planning to cut down greenery of “any age, regardless of ownership and land zoning.”
    https://mobile.twitter.com/Hromadske/status/1503694649436819463

    Hmmm. they can't get enough men to fight - so how exactly are they are going to find an army of lumberjacks able to cut down thousands of square kilometers of forest? The same forest that will be occupied by thousands of armed Ukranians? Doesn't sound like a good idea to me.


  • Using the Heathrow Express "brand" to upsell tickets...
    At least Heathrow Express is an express. Comfortably the fastest way into town from Hellthrow. Not the same from Gatwick
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,482
    EU diplomats "privately fuming" about the Polish, Czech and Slovenian PMs visiting Ukraine:

    @DaveKeating
    Other EU perm reps here in Brussels privately fuming about this visit, which risks being the “spark for World War 3” as one official put it.

    It was apparently both uncoordinated with other allies and, astonishingly, pre-announced before they left on the train across Ukraine.


    https://twitter.com/DaveKeating/status/1503704317374648321
  • Sky just said the Polish and other leaders are travelling by train to Kyiv

    Surprised they gave that information
  • Alphabet_SoupAlphabet_Soup Posts: 3,559
    ping said:
    I think Covid is more pressing than Ukraine at the moment. And persistent doubts about property developers.
  • FossFoss Posts: 1,347
    darkage said:

    Hmmm. they can't get enough men to fight - so how exactly are they are going to find an army of lumberjacks able to cut down thousands of square kilometers of forest? The same forest that will be occupied by thousands of armed Ukranians? Doesn't sound like a good idea to me.


    Extermination through forced labour? It's not unknown for that part of the world.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022
    tlg86 said:

    It’s not just about time. Pre-COVID it got you a seat and the red 377s are fitted out for luggage.
    The non-express call to at least Croydon and Clapham on the way, at least they did before the pandemic. The through trains from Brighton would often get held for ages at Gatwick, to let the Express out ahead of it.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,839
    Nigelb said:

    Capture of artillery is consistent with Ukranian claims of Russian tactical reverses outside Mikolayiv.

    Ukrainian forces captured four D-30A/2A18M 122mm howitzers in the vicinty of #Mykolaiv, along with large quantities of 3OF56 projectiles with propellant charges/cases; it appears that a small artillery position was abandoned.
    https://mobile.twitter.com/UAWeapons/status/1503667414365614080

    Towed artillery. That's very quaint.

    I'll buy one, for the front garden. That will deal with the knut who parks his P100D across the pavement....
  • Sky just said the Polish and other leaders are travelling by train to Kyiv

    Surprised they gave that information

    They are certainly brave. Let's hope Putin doesn't do something "brave".
  • ApplicantApplicant Posts: 3,379
    edited March 2022

    I wonder if the Daily Mail is happy with refugees from Ukraine is because they're not black unlike those nasty people from Syria

    And there it is, the racism card is played explicitly.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022
    Wow, three leaders on the same train into Kiev?

    Presumably, they’re hoping there’s still a railway line to get them out tonight?
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,281

    Totally off-topic but a wonderful scam. Trains from Gatwick to London. All operated by GTR who have multiple brands - Thameslink, Southern and Gatwick Express.

    The GX train is the same rolling stock as the Southern train, takes the same time (30 mins vs 32 for the non-"express". On the screens at Gatwick both are advertised as operated by Southern. One train is red, the other white and green.

    So if you get the SN train it's £9 single. If you get the GX service it's £18 single. I know trains, looked for "southern" and was surprised to see GX stock rolling in. So I changed platform for the 2 minutes slower service.

    How many people are they scamming like this? You literally pay double the fare for the same train on the same route with a 2 minute time difference...

    EDIT - apparently the Gatwick Express is suspended. So no double fare. But when it is running it's still double the fare to save 2 minutes

    Where were you heading in London? If it's towards the City, Thameslink is a better bet.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 50,783
    kjh said:

    Foxy right wing?
    I have my moments. I am dry as dust on financial matters and even voted Conservative in the 2010 GE. I can't see it happening again though.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,520
    @Northstar

    (Sorry my quotes aren't working.)

    To be serious for a sec, I'm firmly left, almost all my instincts are, but my nagging suspicion that capitalism is easier to critique than to viably replace keeps me out of the very low numbers. However I do have strong and sincere egalitarian views, some of them quite outlier, and this plops me solidly in the 20s. But I must keep the exact number a secret as explained.
  • Has anyone seen Chris Williamson on Press TV?

    Is he actually too stupid to know that he's shilling for Putin, or too stupid to care?

    Exempli gratia -

    The Jewish Chronicle
    @JewishChron
    In a show on Iran’s Press TV, disgraced former MP Chris Williamson asserts: “Jewish identity of President Zelensky has been used by many in the West to cover NATO's clear alliance with neo Nazi batallions in the war against Russia"
    https://twitter.com/JewishChron/status/1503424582354706435

    This man would have been in the Cabinet if Corbyn had won in 2017.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,839
    darkage said:

    Hmmm. they can't get enough men to fight - so how exactly are they are going to find an army of lumberjacks able to cut down thousands of square kilometers of forest? The same forest that will be occupied by thousands of armed Ukranians? Doesn't sound like a good idea to me.


    Memories of the "Forest Soldiers"


    The Operative : I'm sorry. If your quarry goes to ground, leave no ground to go to. You should have taken my offer. Or did you think none of this was your fault?
    Capt. Malcolm Reynolds : I don't murder children.
    The Operative : I do. If I have to.
    Capt. Malcolm Reynolds : Why? Do you even know why they sent you?
    The Operative : It's not my place to ask. I believe in something greater than myself. A better world. A world without sin.
    Capt. Malcolm Reynolds : So me and mine gotta lay down and die... so you can live in your better world?
  • SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,795

    EU diplomats "privately fuming" about the Polish, Czech and Slovenian PMs visiting Ukraine:

    @DaveKeating
    Other EU perm reps here in Brussels privately fuming about this visit, which risks being the “spark for World War 3” as one official put it.

    It was apparently both uncoordinated with other allies and, astonishingly, pre-announced before they left on the train across Ukraine.


    https://twitter.com/DaveKeating/status/1503704317374648321

    Would be the mother of all false flag ops.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,520

    Simpler to get everyone to do their https://www.politicalcompass.org/ test

    Mine - https://www.politicalcompass.org/yourpoliticalcompass?ec=-2.75&soc=-5.49
    Ah yes, that old chestnut. If I'm not around that's the next best thing for checking who and what you are.
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