Covid dashboard - Because of a delay in receiving deaths data for England, today's update is delayed. The current estimate for release is 5:30pm. Further updates will be provided here.
Hospital data available on NHS stats page as usual. Headline figures on number in hospital rising quite fast now, but still looks pretty consistent with extra incidentals as indeed some in the health service are starting to acknowledge. Clearly also low discharge numbers on weekends and bank holidays so should be an adjustment on Thurday's figures.
That RSPCA grid is interesting; turning subtle differences into black and white distinctions - for example hormone treated beef is only a minority of the Ozzie stick - in an effort to obtain an effective veto on what goes in UK trade deals.
I'm biased, of course, but in this case I think it's fair enough. Hormone treatment is given for a reason (to promote "unnaturally" rapid growth, arguably with risks to welfare and health) and it's probably the most profitable way if it's permitted. Trade treaties are in practice almost impossible to undo, so the RSPCA is right to point out that the treaty allows it - it's quite likely that it will gradually become the norm where permitted. Moreover, the label is most unlikely to indicate whether it was hormone-treated or not, so those consumers who care about it will be unable to make an informed choice.
To defend it and the associated lack of labelling, one really needs to say either "all the concerns are irrational and should be disregarded" or "I don't mind about these issues and nobody else should be allowed to mind either".
Why would the label not indicate it, if people actually give a damn?
Labels indicate organic for anyone who gives a crap about that BS, I don't but others clearly do. There's also the Red Tractor label which I do look for.
Let people choose.
It depends on the terms of the agreement. So for example the US trade agreements usually include a labelling prohibition not just on things like hormone treated but even on stuff like country of origin in case people decide to do a blanket boycott. The US is very clever at ensuring such Non-Tariff barriers (as they perceive them) are included in any deal. Other countries are also learning this.
It's good to be able to choose meat with that extra added savour of ill treatment, right?
Good to see all that Scottish Nationalist hate for our Aussie cousins.
The Scottish Farmer is a Scottish Nationalist organ now?
Good to see you blithely accepting that your bunch of dislikeable, untrustworthy weaklings are losing natural Tory voters at a rate of knots. Eventually there'll only be a battered head left mouthing 'tis but a flesh wound' and 'the don't knows are right behind us'.
Farmers now have more markets to export to thanks to the new trade deals we have
That you can post this with a straight face demonstrates how clueless you are. DOn't worry, you aren't alone. The lickspittle David Duguid keeps telling local farmers and fishermen how much better off they now are. As they know (a) they are worse off and (b) he is a prannock the seat is now chalked up as an SNP gain next time.
You can say "more markets to export to" as much as you like. As it isn't true you *will* get caught out.
Fishermen now out of CFP as promised
Yes. And the purpose of leaving the CFP was....?
Find out why CAP and CFP were unpopular and you'll discover what farmers and fishermen were hoping to achieve by leaving things like the CFP.
I'll give you a clue. It isn't what you have given them. And patronising them by lines like "Fishermen now out of CFP as promised" will just make them more determined to vote you out of office.
Fishermen have control of their own waters, as they voted for ie to get out of the CFP and EU
Not so 'blessed are the cheesemakers' under Brexit, it seems:
I take what that specific individual says with a pound of salt. He is a long time anti-Brexit, anti-Tory ranter.
That isn't to say Brexit hasn't placed extra barriers to exports like him, but he is first to be in the Graudian saying Brexit is absolutely the end of the world and the "Johnson Variant" is responsible. He is the Brexit equivalent of Zero Covid Pagel.
As the article says there are lots of factors, and as I said that isn't to say Brexit hasn't placed extra barriers. You know I own a business in the EU right?
My point is that bloke is a billy bullshitter, but the Guardian swallow his claims regardless. He has this micro cheese business that has been going for 5+ years, but all of a sudden Brexit has costs his massive amounts of money. He is hardly flogging any cheese in the UK, such that it has 1 employee, but we are supposed to believe he is being inundated right after Brexit with all these massive orders that that damn Brexit has stopped him.
I must admit it is quite fun doing a bit of research and picking out the bullshit from these stories. This is not the first time the Guardian has featured this particular gentleman. Back in January he was splashed all over the paper making complaints.
He claims his company employs 25 people and yet his own company returns show he only has 3 employees - including himself and his wife.
One huge problem with the Guardian is that BS gets inserted into articles very regularly, then the next 28 related articles over the next 13 years all treat the original article as canonical and link to the BS as a reliable source.
It's good to be able to choose meat with that extra added savour of ill treatment, right?
Good to see all that Scottish Nationalist hate for our Aussie cousins.
The Scottish Farmer is a Scottish Nationalist organ now?
Good to see you blithely accepting that your bunch of dislikeable, untrustworthy weaklings are losing natural Tory voters at a rate of knots. Eventually there'll only be a battered head left mouthing 'tis but a flesh wound' and 'the don't knows are right behind us'.
Farmers now have more markets to export to thanks to the new trade deals we have.
The SNP it seems would whack up tariffs and protectionism however on imports from any country outside the EU.
Nationalists and authoritarian Covid restriction imposers at home and protectionist abroad, the SNP in a nutshell
Do you actually know any of the details of these trade deals? How they are better than before, for specific products, that people actually want to buy for the price we can supply them at? Last time this was up for discussion I believe you were proposing selling carrots to Australia.
We can sign a trade deal with the moon but it doesn't generate a single sale
So much for being a Peelite, Gladstone free trade Liberal. Seems like you too are very much in the protectionist, high tariff, Joseph Chamberlain mould if it comes to any trade outside the EU
Nope I am all for free trade. We had a free trade agreement inside the EU. Negotiating free trade agreements that don't actually generate sales or more than we had before is in reality net negative free trade agreements.
So how about actually answering the question I put to you.
You are obviously not all for free trade otherwise you would not be opposing any trade deals we have negotiated beyond the EU like with Australia. Deals which also offer opportunities to UK exporters.
So in reality you are more an EUphile protectionist than a genuine liberal free trader
Covid dashboard - Because of a delay in receiving deaths data for England, today's update is delayed. The current estimate for release is 5:30pm. Further updates will be provided here.
Hospital data available on NHS stats page as usual. Headline figures on number in hospital rising quite fast now, but still looks pretty consistent with extra incidentals as indeed some in the health service are starting to acknowledge. Clearly also low discharge numbers on weekends and bank holidays so should be an adjustment on Thurday's figures.
Why is it bad news that omicron is milder?
When people post about the idea Omicron is milder as some sort of dubious suggestion, rather than the current scientific consensus, they're inviting mockery.
Anyone know what the current mortality rate for a boosted person (say 60 years old) is for Omichron, compared with someone who gets flu (having had the vaccine for that)?
I'd like to use that comparison as a benchmark for lifting restrictions.
Too early to say as its the younger population that is getting Omicron right now. Boosters are doing their job for now protecting the older and more vulnerable.
If we start to see over 60s in large numbers become infected it will become clear enough how 'mild' Omicron really is. The current studies won't show that yet as there isn't enough of a sample size in these demographics.
The current studies adjust for age, and the South African studies showed equal improvements vs delta for all age groups.
I know it's bad news, but Omicron really is milder.
Why is it bad news that omicron is milder?
That poster seems quite upset by the thought.
No. I am just extremely cautious about a disease that had killed 5 million people globally.
Also I work for the NHS and have seen first hand the toll Covid has had on this institution and it's staff. I want it to be over, why would I want to prolong it?
It's good to be able to choose meat with that extra added savour of ill treatment, right?
Good to see all that Scottish Nationalist hate for our Aussie cousins.
The Scottish Farmer is a Scottish Nationalist organ now?
Good to see you blithely accepting that your bunch of dislikeable, untrustworthy weaklings are losing natural Tory voters at a rate of knots. Eventually there'll only be a battered head left mouthing 'tis but a flesh wound' and 'the don't knows are right behind us'.
Farmers now have more markets to export to thanks to the new trade deals we have
That you can post this with a straight face demonstrates how clueless you are. DOn't worry, you aren't alone. The lickspittle David Duguid keeps telling local farmers and fishermen how much better off they now are. As they know (a) they are worse off and (b) he is a prannock the seat is now chalked up as an SNP gain next time.
You can say "more markets to export to" as much as you like. As it isn't true you *will* get caught out.
Just imagine, the former seat of Alex Salmond falling to the SNP. Who could have ever thought such a thing imaginable? 😱
Sure! But YakiDa keeps saying how brilliant Brexit has been for farmers and fisherman, a line copied by Duguid. As it palpably isn't reality, they are going to get punished if they keep saying Don't Look Up.
I do strongly believe that you make the mistake of failing to differentiate between the act of Brexit in itself and the way in which it has been interpreted and enacted by this specific Government. I think this is a difference that a lot of politicians - not least Keir Starmer - understand far better than you seem to.
It was, and still is, possible to have a Brexit that does not result in the issues we are currently seeing. It is the Brexit that I and others advocated for and still believe will eventually occur once this current shower are out of power. The problems we face now are not because of Brexit but because of who we have in charge of the country.
If you want to play a little thought experiment then just imagine what would have happened had the vote gone the other way. Cameron would still have been gone by now and most likely replaced either by Corbyn or Johnson. So we would still have been suffering from disastrously bad governance but now in a far more fractured country, with the EU issue still rampant and in all likelihood with the one shining success of the last 2 years - the vaccine rollout - having been as much a failure here as it has been in other parts of the EU.
The reason I make this point is not, as it happens, in support of Brexit as such. I am still firmly of the view that that is done in its raw form but in urgent need of redirection. But it is to point out that your belief that opposition will continue to grow is probably ill founded. Much of that opposition rests on the shoulders of Johnson as the current figurehead and as the man who is making such a mess of almost everything, not just Brexit. Replace him with a more pragmatic and less ideological person in charge - whether that is Starmer, Sunak or Truss amongst others - and the whole mood music changes. Indeed you might well find that the sort of Brexit I was after is much easier to sell after the mess Johnson has made of things so far.
That’s possible, Richard - but is it likely to happen under this government ?
Point being that disillusion with what’s been delivered is likely to continue growing among those who voted for it. We’re not rejoining any time soon, or even not so soon, but that just makes the likelihood of disillusion even greater.
Under this Government? Not a chance. To make any change to the perception of Brexit - indeed to have any chance of making Brexit work as it should - it is a prerequisite that we need Johnson gone. I genuinely believe we would not be in this position under, for example, Hunt.
In reference to this, and to your previous, longer post, where I disagree with you is that I don't think the end of Johnson will necessarily lead to a more 'sensible' Brexit. And that's because whoever is leader is likely to have no choice but to be in thrall to the Brexit 'headbangers' on the Tory backbenches - the Bridgens, Bakers, Frosts, IDS and so forth. The ERG (now the CRG, of course) are obsessed with Brexit purity. Yes, Johnson is their figurehead, but whoever is leader will struggle to get a sensible Brexit unless they are willing to take on and defeat the purists.
Rejoin is off the agenda for a long, long time. So, to cite Starmer, I agree we need to "make Brexit work". Funnily enough, because of the Tory headbangers, a Labour government may be in a better position to do this.
It's good to be able to choose meat with that extra added savour of ill treatment, right?
Good to see all that Scottish Nationalist hate for our Aussie cousins.
The Scottish Farmer is a Scottish Nationalist organ now?
Good to see you blithely accepting that your bunch of dislikeable, untrustworthy weaklings are losing natural Tory voters at a rate of knots. Eventually there'll only be a battered head left mouthing 'tis but a flesh wound' and 'the don't knows are right behind us'.
Farmers now have more markets to export to thanks to the new trade deals we have
That you can post this with a straight face demonstrates how clueless you are. DOn't worry, you aren't alone. The lickspittle David Duguid keeps telling local farmers and fishermen how much better off they now are. As they know (a) they are worse off and (b) he is a prannock the seat is now chalked up as an SNP gain next time.
You can say "more markets to export to" as much as you like. As it isn't true you *will* get caught out.
Fishermen now out of CFP as promised
Yes. And the purpose of leaving the CFP was....?
Find out why CAP and CFP were unpopular and you'll discover what farmers and fishermen were hoping to achieve by leaving things like the CFP.
I'll give you a clue. It isn't what you have given them. And patronising them by lines like "Fishermen now out of CFP as promised" will just make them more determined to vote you out of office.
Fishermen have control of their own waters, as they voted for ie to get out of the CFP and EU
Not so 'blessed are the cheesemakers' under Brexit, it seems:
I take what that specific individual says with a pound of salt. He is a long time anti-Brexit, anti-Tory ranter.
That isn't to say Brexit hasn't placed extra barriers to exports like him, but he is first to be in the Graudian saying Brexit is absolutely the end of the world and the "Johnson Variant" is responsible. He is the Brexit equivalent of Zero Covid Pagel.
As the article says there are lots of factors, and as I said that isn't to say Brexit hasn't placed extra barriers. You know I own a business in the EU right?
My point is that bloke is a billy bullshitter, but the Guardian swallow his claims regardless. He has this micro cheese business that has been going for 5+ years, but all of a sudden Brexit has costs his massive amounts of money. He is hardly flogging any cheese in the UK, such that it has 1 employee, but we are supposed to believe he is being inundated right after Brexit with all these massive orders that that damn Brexit has stopped him.
I must admit it is quite fun doing a bit of research and picking out the bullshit from these stories. This is not the first time the Guardian has featured this particular gentleman. Back in January he was splashed all over the paper making complaints.
He claims his company employs 25 people and yet his own company returns show he only has 3 employees - including himself and his wife.
One huge problem with the Guardian is that BS gets inserted into articles very regularly, then the next 28 related articles over the next 13 years all treat the original article as canonical and link to the BS as a reliable source.
Its worse, now its circular BS across all the media e.g. the FT claims the government were planning on spending £100bn on COVID testing equipment.....when all they did was google a load of tender documents and add up the cost of them. When it was actually saying due to COVID we have realised that the NHS need to modernise testing and diagnostics over the next 10 years, here are a load of tenders for all services across the whole NHS.
Then there is a circle jerk of media outlets copy and pasting that claim. So now if you google you will just loads of "sources" saying this is the case, but they were all just based on one inaccurate article.
It's good to be able to choose meat with that extra added savour of ill treatment, right?
Good to see all that Scottish Nationalist hate for our Aussie cousins.
The Scottish Farmer is a Scottish Nationalist organ now?
Good to see you blithely accepting that your bunch of dislikeable, untrustworthy weaklings are losing natural Tory voters at a rate of knots. Eventually there'll only be a battered head left mouthing 'tis but a flesh wound' and 'the don't knows are right behind us'.
Farmers now have more markets to export to thanks to the new trade deals we have
That you can post this with a straight face demonstrates how clueless you are. DOn't worry, you aren't alone. The lickspittle David Duguid keeps telling local farmers and fishermen how much better off they now are. As they know (a) they are worse off and (b) he is a prannock the seat is now chalked up as an SNP gain next time.
You can say "more markets to export to" as much as you like. As it isn't true you *will* get caught out.
Fishermen now out of CFP as promised
Yes. And the purpose of leaving the CFP was....?
Find out why CAP and CFP were unpopular and you'll discover what farmers and fishermen were hoping to achieve by leaving things like the CFP.
I'll give you a clue. It isn't what you have given them. And patronising them by lines like "Fishermen now out of CFP as promised" will just make them more determined to vote you out of office.
Fishermen have control of their own waters, as they voted for ie to get out of the CFP and EU
Not so 'blessed are the cheesemakers' under Brexit, it seems:
The Truss myth is surely in tatters. She staked her reputation on a Renaissance for British cheese.
The Norway UK trade deal only came into force on 1 December, so it's a touch difficult to see how the chap could have done all of this in 3 weeks:
Spurrell said he had pursued new business in Norway and Canada but post-Brexit trade deals sealed by the government had put barriers in place.
...
“And now we’ve also lost Norway since the trade deal, as duty for wholesale is 273%. Then we tried Canada but what the government didn’t tell us is that duty of 244% is applied on any consignment over $20 [£15].”
...
Norwegian duty on a £30 cheese pack amounted to £190 extra, he said.
Looks like he is talking to the situation before the trade deal was in force.
"since the trade deal" surely?
Why would anyone agree a trade deal with 273% duty? Surely they should be as far as possible, tariff-free.
If you read the article I linked it explains some of that.
Anyone know what the current mortality rate for a boosted person (say 60 years old) is for Omichron, compared with someone who gets flu (having had the vaccine for that)?
I'd like to use that comparison as a benchmark for lifting restrictions.
Too early to say as its the younger population that is getting Omicron right now. Boosters are doing their job for now protecting the older and more vulnerable.
If we start to see over 60s in large numbers become infected it will become clear enough how 'mild' Omicron really is. The current studies won't show that yet as there isn't enough of a sample size in these demographics.
The current studies adjust for age, and the South African studies showed equal improvements vs delta for all age groups.
I know it's bad news, but Omicron really is milder.
Why is it bad news that omicron is milder?
That poster seems quite upset by the thought.
No he doesn't, he just seems cautious about the possibility that it might not be. This is how adults deal with risk.
Anyone know what the current mortality rate for a boosted person (say 60 years old) is for Omichron, compared with someone who gets flu (having had the vaccine for that)?
I'd like to use that comparison as a benchmark for lifting restrictions.
Too early to say as its the younger population that is getting Omicron right now. Boosters are doing their job for now protecting the older and more vulnerable.
If we start to see over 60s in large numbers become infected it will become clear enough how 'mild' Omicron really is. The current studies won't show that yet as there isn't enough of a sample size in these demographics.
The current studies adjust for age, and the South African studies showed equal improvements vs delta for all age groups.
I know it's bad news, but Omicron really is milder.
Why is it bad news that omicron is milder?
That poster seems quite upset by the thought.
No. I am just extremely cautious about a disease that had killed 5 million people globally.
Also I work for the NHS and have seen first hand the toll Covid has had on this institution and it's staff. I want it to be over, why would I want to prolong it?
I am cautious, nothing more.
Well lucky for you the multiple studies all finding the same thing are all adjusted for age, so you can sleep a bit better. It is unequivocally milder and today's ventilation figures fell again, remaining lower than every day in November.
Covid dashboard - Because of a delay in receiving deaths data for England, today's update is delayed. The current estimate for release is 5:30pm. Further updates will be provided here.
When I looked earlier there were about 5 cautionary notes on the data.
The data will be all over the place until the update on Tuesday 4th, from reporting-over-holiday-issues.
In terms of peoples behaviours etc, it's going to be like a giant weekend, with maybe a little bit of bounce back to normal this week - until New Year.
EDIT : The one that will be interesting the other side, is what happens with the Regional R
Anyone know what the current mortality rate for a boosted person (say 60 years old) is for Omichron, compared with someone who gets flu (having had the vaccine for that)?
I'd like to use that comparison as a benchmark for lifting restrictions.
Too early to say as its the younger population that is getting Omicron right now. Boosters are doing their job for now protecting the older and more vulnerable.
If we start to see over 60s in large numbers become infected it will become clear enough how 'mild' Omicron really is. The current studies won't show that yet as there isn't enough of a sample size in these demographics.
The current studies adjust for age, and the South African studies showed equal improvements vs delta for all age groups.
I know it's bad news, but Omicron really is milder.
Why is it bad news that omicron is milder?
That poster seems quite upset by the thought.
No he doesn't, he just seems cautious about the possibility that it might not be. This is how adults deal with risk.
By worrying that established and verified facts may suddently become wrong. You adults must be paralysed living in such a world.
It's good to be able to choose meat with that extra added savour of ill treatment, right?
Good to see all that Scottish Nationalist hate for our Aussie cousins.
The Scottish Farmer is a Scottish Nationalist organ now?
Good to see you blithely accepting that your bunch of dislikeable, untrustworthy weaklings are losing natural Tory voters at a rate of knots. Eventually there'll only be a battered head left mouthing 'tis but a flesh wound' and 'the don't knows are right behind us'.
Farmers now have more markets to export to thanks to the new trade deals we have
That you can post this with a straight face demonstrates how clueless you are. DOn't worry, you aren't alone. The lickspittle David Duguid keeps telling local farmers and fishermen how much better off they now are. As they know (a) they are worse off and (b) he is a prannock the seat is now chalked up as an SNP gain next time.
You can say "more markets to export to" as much as you like. As it isn't true you *will* get caught out.
Fishermen now out of CFP as promised
Yes. And the purpose of leaving the CFP was....?
Find out why CAP and CFP were unpopular and you'll discover what farmers and fishermen were hoping to achieve by leaving things like the CFP.
I'll give you a clue. It isn't what you have given them. And patronising them by lines like "Fishermen now out of CFP as promised" will just make them more determined to vote you out of office.
Fishermen have control of their own waters, as they voted for ie to get out of the CFP and EU
Not so 'blessed are the cheesemakers' under Brexit, it seems:
I take what that specific individual says with a pound of salt. He is a long time anti-Brexit, anti-Tory ranter.
That isn't to say Brexit hasn't placed extra barriers to exports like him, but he is first to be in the Graudian saying Brexit is absolutely the end of the world and the "Johnson Variant" is responsible. He is the Brexit equivalent of Zero Covid Pagel.
As the article says there are lots of factors, and as I said that isn't to say Brexit hasn't placed extra barriers. You know I own a business in the EU right?
My point is that bloke is a billy bullshitter, but the Guardian swallow his claims regardless. He has this micro cheese business that has been going for 5+ years, but all of a sudden Brexit has costs his massive amounts of money. He is hardly flogging any cheese in the UK, such that it has 1 employee, but we are supposed to believe he is being inundated right after Brexit with all these massive orders that that damn Brexit has stopped him.
I must admit it is quite fun doing a bit of research and picking out the bullshit from these stories. This is not the first time the Guardian has featured this particular gentleman. Back in January he was splashed all over the paper making complaints.
He claims his company employs 25 people and yet his own company returns show he only has 3 employees - including himself and his wife.
One huge problem with the Guardian is that BS gets inserted into articles very regularly, then the next 28 related articles over the next 13 years all treat the original article as canonical and link to the BS as a reliable source.
Its worse, now its circular BS across all the media e.g. the FT claims the government were planning on spending £100bn on COVID testing equipment.....when all they did was google a load of tender documents and add up the cost of them. When it was actually saying due to COVID we have realised that the NHS need to modernise testing and diagnostics over the next 10 years, here are a load of tenders for all services across the whole NHS.
Then there is a circle jerk of media outlets copy and pasting that claim. So now if you google you will just loads of "sources" saying this is the case, but they were all just based on one inaccurate article.
It's the test and trace figure that winds me up the most.
So obviously wrong, and what was spent was mainly on testing which everyone agrees is a very good thing.
It's good to be able to choose meat with that extra added savour of ill treatment, right?
Good to see all that Scottish Nationalist hate for our Aussie cousins.
The Scottish Farmer is a Scottish Nationalist organ now?
Good to see you blithely accepting that your bunch of dislikeable, untrustworthy weaklings are losing natural Tory voters at a rate of knots. Eventually there'll only be a battered head left mouthing 'tis but a flesh wound' and 'the don't knows are right behind us'.
Farmers now have more markets to export to thanks to the new trade deals we have
That you can post this with a straight face demonstrates how clueless you are. DOn't worry, you aren't alone. The lickspittle David Duguid keeps telling local farmers and fishermen how much better off they now are. As they know (a) they are worse off and (b) he is a prannock the seat is now chalked up as an SNP gain next time.
You can say "more markets to export to" as much as you like. As it isn't true you *will* get caught out.
Fishermen now out of CFP as promised
Yes. And the purpose of leaving the CFP was....?
Find out why CAP and CFP were unpopular and you'll discover what farmers and fishermen were hoping to achieve by leaving things like the CFP.
I'll give you a clue. It isn't what you have given them. And patronising them by lines like "Fishermen now out of CFP as promised" will just make them more determined to vote you out of office.
Fishermen have control of their own waters, as they voted for ie to get out of the CFP and EU
Not so 'blessed are the cheesemakers' under Brexit, it seems:
The Truss myth is surely in tatters. She staked her reputation on a Renaissance for British cheese.
The Norway UK trade deal only came into force on 1 December, so it's a touch difficult to see how the chap could have done all of this in 3 weeks:
Spurrell said he had pursued new business in Norway and Canada but post-Brexit trade deals sealed by the government had put barriers in place.
...
“And now we’ve also lost Norway since the trade deal, as duty for wholesale is 273%. Then we tried Canada but what the government didn’t tell us is that duty of 244% is applied on any consignment over $20 [£15].”
...
Norwegian duty on a £30 cheese pack amounted to £190 extra, he said.
Looks like he is talking to the situation before the trade deal was in force.
"since the trade deal" surely?
Is the reference to the EU-UK FTA, which came into force on Jan 1 2021, or to the UK-Iceland-Liechenstein-Norway trade deal, signed on 1st June 2021 (ish), which came into force on Dec 1 2021?
The latter is the one that affects the UK-Norway cheese trade afaics, and I don't see how he has had time to do his claimed activities since then.
He may have something even without the time, as afaics the reduction in tariff from 273% to 25% applies to Protected Name cheeses. The wider cheese trade will depend on whether that default quota reduction is wider than that. Rabbit hole map here: https://tradebetablog.wordpress.com/2021/06/08/rabbit-hole-wensleydale-norway/
I'll concur that the trade deal is not as beneficial as the EEA internal market. Next version of the trade deal needs to move close to that.
For the UK, the biggie in the trade with Norway (of which we do a lot - £26bn a year) is services.
Correction - of course the UK-EU fta does not apply to Norway.
It's good to be able to choose meat with that extra added savour of ill treatment, right?
Good to see all that Scottish Nationalist hate for our Aussie cousins.
The Scottish Farmer is a Scottish Nationalist organ now?
Good to see you blithely accepting that your bunch of dislikeable, untrustworthy weaklings are losing natural Tory voters at a rate of knots. Eventually there'll only be a battered head left mouthing 'tis but a flesh wound' and 'the don't knows are right behind us'.
Farmers now have more markets to export to thanks to the new trade deals we have
That you can post this with a straight face demonstrates how clueless you are. DOn't worry, you aren't alone. The lickspittle David Duguid keeps telling local farmers and fishermen how much better off they now are. As they know (a) they are worse off and (b) he is a prannock the seat is now chalked up as an SNP gain next time.
You can say "more markets to export to" as much as you like. As it isn't true you *will* get caught out.
Fishermen now out of CFP as promised
Yes. And the purpose of leaving the CFP was....?
Find out why CAP and CFP were unpopular and you'll discover what farmers and fishermen were hoping to achieve by leaving things like the CFP.
I'll give you a clue. It isn't what you have given them. And patronising them by lines like "Fishermen now out of CFP as promised" will just make them more determined to vote you out of office.
Fishermen have control of their own waters, as they voted for ie to get out of the CFP and EU
Not so 'blessed are the cheesemakers' under Brexit, it seems:
I take what that specific individual says with a pound of salt. He is a long time anti-Brexit, anti-Tory ranter.
That isn't to say Brexit hasn't placed extra barriers to exports like him, but he is first to be in the Graudian saying Brexit is absolutely the end of the world and the "Johnson Variant" is responsible. He is the Brexit equivalent of Zero Covid Pagel.
As the article says there are lots of factors, and as I said that isn't to say Brexit hasn't placed extra barriers. You know I own a business in the EU right?
My point is that bloke is a billy bullshitter, but the Guardian swallow his claims regardless. He has this micro cheese business that has been going for 5+ years, but all of a sudden Brexit has costs his massive amounts of money. He is hardly flogging any cheese in the UK, such that it has 1 employee, but we are supposed to believe he is being inundated right after Brexit with all these massive orders that that damn Brexit has stopped him.
I must admit it is quite fun doing a bit of research and picking out the bullshit from these stories. This is not the first time the Guardian has featured this particular gentleman. Back in January he was splashed all over the paper making complaints.
I am not sure how many times they need to be told, that is how the PCR system works. If the slots fill up, they release more in the afternoon.....they is still availability everywhere....but it gets them a good headline.
If that's how the system works it's broken. If the website says "sorry, you can't get a test" how many of those people are going to come back in the afternoon and try again? At least some of them are going to say "sod this, let's not bother". The system needs to release more slots *before* anybody gets told to go away, not afterwards. (Fixing this would also be a PR improvement, but that matters less...)
It's a fairly standard method for stopping panic buying exhausting stocks. PCR testing gets a surge in requests after news stories.
It's good to be able to choose meat with that extra added savour of ill treatment, right?
Good to see all that Scottish Nationalist hate for our Aussie cousins.
The Scottish Farmer is a Scottish Nationalist organ now?
Good to see you blithely accepting that your bunch of dislikeable, untrustworthy weaklings are losing natural Tory voters at a rate of knots. Eventually there'll only be a battered head left mouthing 'tis but a flesh wound' and 'the don't knows are right behind us'.
Farmers now have more markets to export to thanks to the new trade deals we have
That you can post this with a straight face demonstrates how clueless you are. DOn't worry, you aren't alone. The lickspittle David Duguid keeps telling local farmers and fishermen how much better off they now are. As they know (a) they are worse off and (b) he is a prannock the seat is now chalked up as an SNP gain next time.
You can say "more markets to export to" as much as you like. As it isn't true you *will* get caught out.
Fishermen now out of CFP as promised
Yes. And the purpose of leaving the CFP was....?
Find out why CAP and CFP were unpopular and you'll discover what farmers and fishermen were hoping to achieve by leaving things like the CFP.
I'll give you a clue. It isn't what you have given them. And patronising them by lines like "Fishermen now out of CFP as promised" will just make them more determined to vote you out of office.
Fishermen have control of their own waters, as they voted for ie to get out of the CFP and EU
Not so 'blessed are the cheesemakers' under Brexit, it seems:
I take what that specific individual says with a pound of salt. He is a long time anti-Brexit, anti-Tory ranter.
That isn't to say Brexit hasn't placed extra barriers to exports like him, but he is first to be in the Graudian saying Brexit is absolutely the end of the world and the "Johnson Variant" is responsible. He is the Brexit equivalent of Zero Covid Pagel.
As the article says there are lots of factors, and as I said that isn't to say Brexit hasn't placed extra barriers. You know I own a business in the EU right?
My point is that bloke is a billy bullshitter, but the Guardian swallow his claims regardless. He has this micro cheese business that has been going for 5+ years, but all of a sudden Brexit has costs his massive amounts of money. He is hardly flogging any cheese in the UK, such that it has 1 employee, but we are supposed to believe he is being inundated right after Brexit with all these massive orders that that damn Brexit has stopped him.
I must admit it is quite fun doing a bit of research and picking out the bullshit from these stories. This is not the first time the Guardian has featured this particular gentleman. Back in January he was splashed all over the paper making complaints.
He claims his company employs 25 people and yet his own company returns show he only has 3 employees - including himself and his wife.
One huge problem with the Guardian is that BS gets inserted into articles very regularly, then the next 28 related articles over the next 13 years all treat the original article as canonical and link to the BS as a reliable source.
Its worse, now its circular BS across all the media e.g. the FT claims the government were planning on spending £100bn on COVID testing equipment.....when all they did was google a load of tender documents and add up the cost of them. When it was actually saying due to COVID we have realised that the NHS need to modernise testing and diagnostics over the next 10 years, here are a load of tenders for all services across the whole NHS.
Then there is a circle jerk of media outlets copy and pasting that claim. So now if you google you will just loads of "sources" saying this is the case, but they were all just based on one inaccurate article.
It's the test and trace figure that winds me up the most.
So obviously wrong, and what was spent was mainly on testing which everyone agrees is a very good thing.
I don't agree that the testing is "a very good thing". The sequencing is a very good thing, and that cost virtually nothing. The mass testing has arguably been a net negative in the round, because a) we've become completely obsessed with it, b) it's the wrong measure to use, especially now that almost all cases are mild, c) it's contributed to schools being repeatedly closed unnecessarily, and d) I don't see how we ever get out of doing it.
It's good to be able to choose meat with that extra added savour of ill treatment, right?
Good to see all that Scottish Nationalist hate for our Aussie cousins.
The Scottish Farmer is a Scottish Nationalist organ now?
Good to see you blithely accepting that your bunch of dislikeable, untrustworthy weaklings are losing natural Tory voters at a rate of knots. Eventually there'll only be a battered head left mouthing 'tis but a flesh wound' and 'the don't knows are right behind us'.
Farmers now have more markets to export to thanks to the new trade deals we have.
The SNP it seems would whack up tariffs and protectionism however on imports from any country outside the EU.
Nationalists and authoritarian Covid restriction imposers at home and protectionist abroad, the SNP in a nutshell
Do you actually know any of the details of these trade deals? How they are better than before, for specific products, that people actually want to buy for the price we can supply them at? Last time this was up for discussion I believe you were proposing selling carrots to Australia.
We can sign a trade deal with the moon but it doesn't generate a single sale
He is an idiot, has not a clue, just a total sheep.
Hey Malcolm, hope you, your wife, and family are doing ok today, following yesterday's news.
Well funny you should mention , I had positive LFT today so off for PCR tests, they are chock ablock sop tomorrow afternoon was first appointment. I feel fine , mild headache and sniffles but nothing bad so far, wife tested negative so far. Thanks for asking. We have all three jags so hopefully will be not too bad. Daughter so far is like flu and hopefully stays that way.
It's good to be able to choose meat with that extra added savour of ill treatment, right?
Good to see all that Scottish Nationalist hate for our Aussie cousins.
The Scottish Farmer is a Scottish Nationalist organ now?
Good to see you blithely accepting that your bunch of dislikeable, untrustworthy weaklings are losing natural Tory voters at a rate of knots. Eventually there'll only be a battered head left mouthing 'tis but a flesh wound' and 'the don't knows are right behind us'.
Farmers now have more markets to export to thanks to the new trade deals we have
That you can post this with a straight face demonstrates how clueless you are. DOn't worry, you aren't alone. The lickspittle David Duguid keeps telling local farmers and fishermen how much better off they now are. As they know (a) they are worse off and (b) he is a prannock the seat is now chalked up as an SNP gain next time.
You can say "more markets to export to" as much as you like. As it isn't true you *will* get caught out.
Fishermen now out of CFP as promised
Yes. And the purpose of leaving the CFP was....?
Find out why CAP and CFP were unpopular and you'll discover what farmers and fishermen were hoping to achieve by leaving things like the CFP.
I'll give you a clue. It isn't what you have given them. And patronising them by lines like "Fishermen now out of CFP as promised" will just make them more determined to vote you out of office.
Fishermen have control of their own waters, as they voted for ie to get out of the CFP and EU
Not so 'blessed are the cheesemakers' under Brexit, it seems:
I take what that specific individual says with a pound of salt. He is a long time anti-Brexit, anti-Tory ranter.
That isn't to say Brexit hasn't placed extra barriers to exports like him, but he is first to be in the Graudian saying Brexit is absolutely the end of the world and the "Johnson Variant" is responsible. He is the Brexit equivalent of Zero Covid Pagel.
As the article says there are lots of factors, and as I said that isn't to say Brexit hasn't placed extra barriers. You know I own a business in the EU right?
My point is that bloke is a billy bullshitter, but the Guardian swallow his claims regardless. He has this micro cheese business that has been going for 5+ years, but all of a sudden Brexit has costs his massive amounts of money. He is hardly flogging any cheese in the UK, such that it has 1 employee, but we are supposed to believe he is being inundated right after Brexit with all these massive orders that that damn Brexit has stopped him.
I must admit it is quite fun doing a bit of research and picking out the bullshit from these stories. This is not the first time the Guardian has featured this particular gentleman. Back in January he was splashed all over the paper making complaints.
He claims his company employs 25 people and yet his own company returns show he only has 3 employees - including himself and his wife.
One huge problem with the Guardian is that BS gets inserted into articles very regularly, then the next 28 related articles over the next 13 years all treat the original article as canonical and link to the BS as a reliable source.
Its worse, now its circular BS across all the media e.g. the FT claims the government were planning on spending £100bn on COVID testing equipment.....when all they did was google a load of tender documents and add up the cost of them. When it was actually saying due to COVID we have realised that the NHS need to modernise testing and diagnostics over the next 10 years, here are a load of tenders for all services across the whole NHS.
Then there is a circle jerk of media outlets copy and pasting that claim. So now if you google you will just loads of "sources" saying this is the case, but they were all just based on one inaccurate article.
It's the test and trace figure that winds me up the most.
So obviously wrong, and what was spent was mainly on testing which everyone agrees is a very good thing.
I don't agree that the testing is "a very good thing". The sequencing is a very good thing, and that cost virtually nothing. The mass testing has arguably been a net negative in the round, because a) we've become completely obsessed with it, b) it's the wrong measure to use, especially now that almost all cases are mild, c) it's contributed to schools being repeatedly closed unnecessarily, and d) I don't see how we ever get out of doing it.
Good post - completely agree. Causing massive NHS absences as well.
It's good to be able to choose meat with that extra added savour of ill treatment, right?
Good to see all that Scottish Nationalist hate for our Aussie cousins.
The Scottish Farmer is a Scottish Nationalist organ now?
Good to see you blithely accepting that your bunch of dislikeable, untrustworthy weaklings are losing natural Tory voters at a rate of knots. Eventually there'll only be a battered head left mouthing 'tis but a flesh wound' and 'the don't knows are right behind us'.
Farmers now have more markets to export to thanks to the new trade deals we have
That you can post this with a straight face demonstrates how clueless you are. DOn't worry, you aren't alone. The lickspittle David Duguid keeps telling local farmers and fishermen how much better off they now are. As they know (a) they are worse off and (b) he is a prannock the seat is now chalked up as an SNP gain next time.
You can say "more markets to export to" as much as you like. As it isn't true you *will* get caught out.
Fishermen now out of CFP as promised
Yes. And the purpose of leaving the CFP was....?
Find out why CAP and CFP were unpopular and you'll discover what farmers and fishermen were hoping to achieve by leaving things like the CFP.
I'll give you a clue. It isn't what you have given them. And patronising them by lines like "Fishermen now out of CFP as promised" will just make them more determined to vote you out of office.
Fishermen have control of their own waters, as they voted for ie to get out of the CFP and EU
Not so 'blessed are the cheesemakers' under Brexit, it seems:
I take what that specific individual says with a pound of salt. He is a long time anti-Brexit, anti-Tory ranter.
That isn't to say Brexit hasn't placed extra barriers to exports like him, but he is first to be in the Graudian saying Brexit is absolutely the end of the world and the "Johnson Variant" is responsible. He is the Brexit equivalent of Zero Covid Pagel.
As the article says there are lots of factors, and as I said that isn't to say Brexit hasn't placed extra barriers. You know I own a business in the EU right?
My point is that bloke is a billy bullshitter, but the Guardian swallow his claims regardless. He has this micro cheese business that has been going for 5+ years, but all of a sudden Brexit has costs his massive amounts of money. He is hardly flogging any cheese in the UK, such that it has 1 employee, but we are supposed to believe he is being inundated right after Brexit with all these massive orders that that damn Brexit has stopped him.
I must admit it is quite fun doing a bit of research and picking out the bullshit from these stories. This is not the first time the Guardian has featured this particular gentleman. Back in January he was splashed all over the paper making complaints.
It's good to be able to choose meat with that extra added savour of ill treatment, right?
Good to see all that Scottish Nationalist hate for our Aussie cousins.
The Scottish Farmer is a Scottish Nationalist organ now?
Good to see you blithely accepting that your bunch of dislikeable, untrustworthy weaklings are losing natural Tory voters at a rate of knots. Eventually there'll only be a battered head left mouthing 'tis but a flesh wound' and 'the don't knows are right behind us'.
Farmers now have more markets to export to thanks to the new trade deals we have
That you can post this with a straight face demonstrates how clueless you are. DOn't worry, you aren't alone. The lickspittle David Duguid keeps telling local farmers and fishermen how much better off they now are. As they know (a) they are worse off and (b) he is a prannock the seat is now chalked up as an SNP gain next time.
You can say "more markets to export to" as much as you like. As it isn't true you *will* get caught out.
Fishermen now out of CFP as promised
Yes. And the purpose of leaving the CFP was....?
Find out why CAP and CFP were unpopular and you'll discover what farmers and fishermen were hoping to achieve by leaving things like the CFP.
I'll give you a clue. It isn't what you have given them. And patronising them by lines like "Fishermen now out of CFP as promised" will just make them more determined to vote you out of office.
Fishermen have control of their own waters, as they voted for ie to get out of the CFP and EU
Not so 'blessed are the cheesemakers' under Brexit, it seems:
I take what that specific individual says with a pound of salt. He is a long time anti-Brexit, anti-Tory ranter.
That isn't to say Brexit hasn't placed extra barriers to exports like him, but he is first to be in the Graudian saying Brexit is absolutely the end of the world and the "Johnson Variant" is responsible. He is the Brexit equivalent of Zero Covid Pagel.
As the article says there are lots of factors, and as I said that isn't to say Brexit hasn't placed extra barriers. You know I own a business in the EU right?
My point is that bloke is a billy bullshitter, but the Guardian swallow his claims regardless. He has this micro cheese business that has been going for 5+ years, but all of a sudden Brexit has costs his massive amounts of money. He is hardly flogging any cheese in the UK, such that it has 1 employee, but we are supposed to believe he is being inundated right after Brexit with all these massive orders that that damn Brexit has stopped him.
I must admit it is quite fun doing a bit of research and picking out the bullshit from these stories. This is not the first time the Guardian has featured this particular gentleman. Back in January he was splashed all over the paper making complaints.
It's good to be able to choose meat with that extra added savour of ill treatment, right?
Good to see all that Scottish Nationalist hate for our Aussie cousins.
The Scottish Farmer is a Scottish Nationalist organ now?
Good to see you blithely accepting that your bunch of dislikeable, untrustworthy weaklings are losing natural Tory voters at a rate of knots. Eventually there'll only be a battered head left mouthing 'tis but a flesh wound' and 'the don't knows are right behind us'.
Farmers now have more markets to export to thanks to the new trade deals we have
That you can post this with a straight face demonstrates how clueless you are. DOn't worry, you aren't alone. The lickspittle David Duguid keeps telling local farmers and fishermen how much better off they now are. As they know (a) they are worse off and (b) he is a prannock the seat is now chalked up as an SNP gain next time.
You can say "more markets to export to" as much as you like. As it isn't true you *will* get caught out.
Fishermen now out of CFP as promised
Yes. And the purpose of leaving the CFP was....?
Find out why CAP and CFP were unpopular and you'll discover what farmers and fishermen were hoping to achieve by leaving things like the CFP.
I'll give you a clue. It isn't what you have given them. And patronising them by lines like "Fishermen now out of CFP as promised" will just make them more determined to vote you out of office.
Fishermen have control of their own waters, as they voted for ie to get out of the CFP and EU
Not so 'blessed are the cheesemakers' under Brexit, it seems:
I take what that specific individual says with a pound of salt. He is a long time anti-Brexit, anti-Tory ranter.
That isn't to say Brexit hasn't placed extra barriers to exports like him, but he is first to be in the Graudian saying Brexit is absolutely the end of the world and the "Johnson Variant" is responsible. He is the Brexit equivalent of Zero Covid Pagel.
As the article says there are lots of factors, and as I said that isn't to say Brexit hasn't placed extra barriers. You know I own a business in the EU right?
My point is that bloke is a billy bullshitter, but the Guardian swallow his claims regardless. He has this micro cheese business that has been going for 5+ years, but all of a sudden Brexit has costs his massive amounts of money. He is hardly flogging any cheese in the UK, such that it has 1 employee, but we are supposed to believe he is being inundated right after Brexit with all these massive orders that that damn Brexit has stopped him.
I must admit it is quite fun doing a bit of research and picking out the bullshit from these stories. This is not the first time the Guardian has featured this particular gentleman. Back in January he was splashed all over the paper making complaints.
He claims his company employs 25 people and yet his own company returns show he only has 3 employees - including himself and his wife.
One huge problem with the Guardian is that BS gets inserted into articles very regularly, then the next 28 related articles over the next 13 years all treat the original article as canonical and link to the BS as a reliable source.
Its worse, now its circular BS across all the media e.g. the FT claims the government were planning on spending £100bn on COVID testing equipment.....when all they did was google a load of tender documents and add up the cost of them. When it was actually saying due to COVID we have realised that the NHS need to modernise testing and diagnostics over the next 10 years, here are a load of tenders for all services across the whole NHS.
Then there is a circle jerk of media outlets copy and pasting that claim. So now if you google you will just loads of "sources" saying this is the case, but they were all just based on one inaccurate article.
It's the test and trace figure that winds me up the most.
So obviously wrong, and what was spent was mainly on testing which everyone agrees is a very good thing.
I don't agree that the testing is "a very good thing". The sequencing is a very good thing, and that cost virtually nothing. The mass testing has arguably been a net negative in the round, because a) we've become completely obsessed with it, b) it's the wrong measure to use, especially now that almost all cases are mild, c) it's contributed to schools being repeatedly closed unnecessarily, and d) I don't see how we ever get out of doing it.
I should have been clearer: expenditure on testing was sensible at the start of the pandemic when we didn't have vaccines/treatment and the NHS was under real pressure.
I agree that their utility going forward is unclear.
It's good to be able to choose meat with that extra added savour of ill treatment, right?
Good to see all that Scottish Nationalist hate for our Aussie cousins.
The Scottish Farmer is a Scottish Nationalist organ now?
Good to see you blithely accepting that your bunch of dislikeable, untrustworthy weaklings are losing natural Tory voters at a rate of knots. Eventually there'll only be a battered head left mouthing 'tis but a flesh wound' and 'the don't knows are right behind us'.
Farmers now have more markets to export to thanks to the new trade deals we have.
The SNP it seems would whack up tariffs and protectionism however on imports from any country outside the EU.
Nationalists and authoritarian Covid restriction imposers at home and protectionist abroad, the SNP in a nutshell
Do you actually know any of the details of these trade deals? How they are better than before, for specific products, that people actually want to buy for the price we can supply them at? Last time this was up for discussion I believe you were proposing selling carrots to Australia.
We can sign a trade deal with the moon but it doesn't generate a single sale
He is an idiot, has not a clue, just a total sheep.
Hey Malcolm, hope you, your wife, and family are doing ok today, following yesterday's news.
Well funny you should mention , I had positive LFT today so off for PCR tests, they are chock ablock sop tomorrow afternoon was first appointment. I feel fine , mild headache and sniffles but nothing bad so far, wife tested negative so far. Thanks for asking. We have all three jags so hopefully will be not too bad. Daughter so far is like flu and hopefully stays that way.
It's good to be able to choose meat with that extra added savour of ill treatment, right?
Good to see all that Scottish Nationalist hate for our Aussie cousins.
The Scottish Farmer is a Scottish Nationalist organ now?
Good to see you blithely accepting that your bunch of dislikeable, untrustworthy weaklings are losing natural Tory voters at a rate of knots. Eventually there'll only be a battered head left mouthing 'tis but a flesh wound' and 'the don't knows are right behind us'.
Farmers now have more markets to export to thanks to the new trade deals we have.
The SNP it seems would whack up tariffs and protectionism however on imports from any country outside the EU.
Nationalists and authoritarian Covid restriction imposers at home and protectionist abroad, the SNP in a nutshell
Do you actually know any of the details of these trade deals? How they are better than before, for specific products, that people actually want to buy for the price we can supply them at? Last time this was up for discussion I believe you were proposing selling carrots to Australia.
We can sign a trade deal with the moon but it doesn't generate a single sale
He is an idiot, has not a clue, just a total sheep.
Hey Malcolm, hope you, your wife, and family are doing ok today, following yesterday's news.
Well funny you should mention , I had positive LFT today so off for PCR tests, they are chock ablock sop tomorrow afternoon was first appointment. I feel fine , mild headache and sniffles but nothing bad so far, wife tested negative so far. Thanks for asking. We have all three jags so hopefully will be not too bad. Daughter so far is like flu and hopefully stays that way.
Good luck Malc, hope it's not too serious and you and your daughter are able to beat it soon.
It's good to be able to choose meat with that extra added savour of ill treatment, right?
Good to see all that Scottish Nationalist hate for our Aussie cousins.
The Scottish Farmer is a Scottish Nationalist organ now?
Good to see you blithely accepting that your bunch of dislikeable, untrustworthy weaklings are losing natural Tory voters at a rate of knots. Eventually there'll only be a battered head left mouthing 'tis but a flesh wound' and 'the don't knows are right behind us'.
Farmers now have more markets to export to thanks to the new trade deals we have
That you can post this with a straight face demonstrates how clueless you are. DOn't worry, you aren't alone. The lickspittle David Duguid keeps telling local farmers and fishermen how much better off they now are. As they know (a) they are worse off and (b) he is a prannock the seat is now chalked up as an SNP gain next time.
You can say "more markets to export to" as much as you like. As it isn't true you *will* get caught out.
Fishermen now out of CFP as promised
Yes. And the purpose of leaving the CFP was....?
Find out why CAP and CFP were unpopular and you'll discover what farmers and fishermen were hoping to achieve by leaving things like the CFP.
I'll give you a clue. It isn't what you have given them. And patronising them by lines like "Fishermen now out of CFP as promised" will just make them more determined to vote you out of office.
Fishermen have control of their own waters, as they voted for ie to get out of the CFP and EU
Not so 'blessed are the cheesemakers' under Brexit, it seems:
I take what that specific individual says with a pound of salt. He is a long time anti-Brexit, anti-Tory ranter.
That isn't to say Brexit hasn't placed extra barriers to exports like him, but he is first to be in the Graudian saying Brexit is absolutely the end of the world and the "Johnson Variant" is responsible. He is the Brexit equivalent of Zero Covid Pagel.
As the article says there are lots of factors, and as I said that isn't to say Brexit hasn't placed extra barriers. You know I own a business in the EU right?
My point is that bloke is a billy bullshitter, but the Guardian swallow his claims regardless. He has this micro cheese business that has been going for 5+ years, but all of a sudden Brexit has costs his massive amounts of money. He is hardly flogging any cheese in the UK, such that it has 1 employee, but we are supposed to believe he is being inundated right after Brexit with all these massive orders that that damn Brexit has stopped him.
I must admit it is quite fun doing a bit of research and picking out the bullshit from these stories. This is not the first time the Guardian has featured this particular gentleman. Back in January he was splashed all over the paper making complaints.
2. I'm still waiting to hear all the massive export success stories.
Not disagreeing with you. I know loads of friends with tiny companies who are having problems. And loads of tiny companies start to add up both in terms of numbers/value and of opposition to Brexit if they all get the hump.
But the issue as I said is implementation. Getting rid of Johnson won't make it all rosy overnight but until he is gone we can do nothing to start to make Brexit work as it should.
It's good to be able to choose meat with that extra added savour of ill treatment, right?
Good to see all that Scottish Nationalist hate for our Aussie cousins.
The Scottish Farmer is a Scottish Nationalist organ now?
Good to see you blithely accepting that your bunch of dislikeable, untrustworthy weaklings are losing natural Tory voters at a rate of knots. Eventually there'll only be a battered head left mouthing 'tis but a flesh wound' and 'the don't knows are right behind us'.
Farmers now have more markets to export to thanks to the new trade deals we have.
The SNP it seems would whack up tariffs and protectionism however on imports from any country outside the EU.
Nationalists and authoritarian Covid restriction imposers at home and protectionist abroad, the SNP in a nutshell
Do you actually know any of the details of these trade deals? How they are better than before, for specific products, that people actually want to buy for the price we can supply them at? Last time this was up for discussion I believe you were proposing selling carrots to Australia.
We can sign a trade deal with the moon but it doesn't generate a single sale
He is an idiot, has not a clue, just a total sheep.
Hey Malcolm, hope you, your wife, and family are doing ok today, following yesterday's news.
Well funny you should mention , I had positive LFT today so off for PCR tests, they are chock ablock sop tomorrow afternoon was first appointment. I feel fine , mild headache and sniffles but nothing bad so far, wife tested negative so far. Thanks for asking. We have all three jags so hopefully will be not too bad. Daughter so far is like flu and hopefully stays that way.
It's good to be able to choose meat with that extra added savour of ill treatment, right?
Good to see all that Scottish Nationalist hate for our Aussie cousins.
The Scottish Farmer is a Scottish Nationalist organ now?
Good to see you blithely accepting that your bunch of dislikeable, untrustworthy weaklings are losing natural Tory voters at a rate of knots. Eventually there'll only be a battered head left mouthing 'tis but a flesh wound' and 'the don't knows are right behind us'.
Farmers now have more markets to export to thanks to the new trade deals we have.
The SNP it seems would whack up tariffs and protectionism however on imports from any country outside the EU.
Nationalists and authoritarian Covid restriction imposers at home and protectionist abroad, the SNP in a nutshell
Do you actually know any of the details of these trade deals? How they are better than before, for specific products, that people actually want to buy for the price we can supply them at? Last time this was up for discussion I believe you were proposing selling carrots to Australia.
We can sign a trade deal with the moon but it doesn't generate a single sale
He is an idiot, has not a clue, just a total sheep.
Hey Malcolm, hope you, your wife, and family are doing ok today, following yesterday's news.
Well funny you should mention , I had positive LFT today so off for PCR tests, they are chock ablock sop tomorrow afternoon was first appointment. I feel fine , mild headache and sniffles but nothing bad so far, wife tested negative so far. Thanks for asking. We have all three jags so hopefully will be not too bad. Daughter so far is like flu and hopefully stays that way.
Hope it stays mild for you all Malc and you make a quick recovery.
It's good to be able to choose meat with that extra added savour of ill treatment, right?
Good to see all that Scottish Nationalist hate for our Aussie cousins.
The Scottish Farmer is a Scottish Nationalist organ now?
Good to see you blithely accepting that your bunch of dislikeable, untrustworthy weaklings are losing natural Tory voters at a rate of knots. Eventually there'll only be a battered head left mouthing 'tis but a flesh wound' and 'the don't knows are right behind us'.
Farmers now have more markets to export to thanks to the new trade deals we have
That you can post this with a straight face demonstrates how clueless you are. DOn't worry, you aren't alone. The lickspittle David Duguid keeps telling local farmers and fishermen how much better off they now are. As they know (a) they are worse off and (b) he is a prannock the seat is now chalked up as an SNP gain next time.
You can say "more markets to export to" as much as you like. As it isn't true you *will* get caught out.
Fishermen now out of CFP as promised
Yes. And the purpose of leaving the CFP was....?
Find out why CAP and CFP were unpopular and you'll discover what farmers and fishermen were hoping to achieve by leaving things like the CFP.
I'll give you a clue. It isn't what you have given them. And patronising them by lines like "Fishermen now out of CFP as promised" will just make them more determined to vote you out of office.
Fishermen have control of their own waters, as they voted for ie to get out of the CFP and EU
Not so 'blessed are the cheesemakers' under Brexit, it seems:
I take what that specific individual says with a pound of salt. He is a long time anti-Brexit, anti-Tory ranter.
That isn't to say Brexit hasn't placed extra barriers to exports like him, but he is first to be in the Graudian saying Brexit is absolutely the end of the world and the "Johnson Variant" is responsible. He is the Brexit equivalent of Zero Covid Pagel.
As the article says there are lots of factors, and as I said that isn't to say Brexit hasn't placed extra barriers. You know I own a business in the EU right?
My point is that bloke is a billy bullshitter, but the Guardian swallow his claims regardless. He has this micro cheese business that has been going for 5+ years, but all of a sudden Brexit has costs his massive amounts of money. He is hardly flogging any cheese in the UK, such that it has 1 employee, but we are supposed to believe he is being inundated right after Brexit with all these massive orders that that damn Brexit has stopped him.
I must admit it is quite fun doing a bit of research and picking out the bullshit from these stories. This is not the first time the Guardian has featured this particular gentleman. Back in January he was splashed all over the paper making complaints.
It's good to be able to choose meat with that extra added savour of ill treatment, right?
Good to see all that Scottish Nationalist hate for our Aussie cousins.
The Scottish Farmer is a Scottish Nationalist organ now?
Good to see you blithely accepting that your bunch of dislikeable, untrustworthy weaklings are losing natural Tory voters at a rate of knots. Eventually there'll only be a battered head left mouthing 'tis but a flesh wound' and 'the don't knows are right behind us'.
Farmers now have more markets to export to thanks to the new trade deals we have
That you can post this with a straight face demonstrates how clueless you are. DOn't worry, you aren't alone. The lickspittle David Duguid keeps telling local farmers and fishermen how much better off they now are. As they know (a) they are worse off and (b) he is a prannock the seat is now chalked up as an SNP gain next time.
You can say "more markets to export to" as much as you like. As it isn't true you *will* get caught out.
Fishermen now out of CFP as promised
Yes. And the purpose of leaving the CFP was....?
Find out why CAP and CFP were unpopular and you'll discover what farmers and fishermen were hoping to achieve by leaving things like the CFP.
I'll give you a clue. It isn't what you have given them. And patronising them by lines like "Fishermen now out of CFP as promised" will just make them more determined to vote you out of office.
Fishermen have control of their own waters, as they voted for ie to get out of the CFP and EU
Not so 'blessed are the cheesemakers' under Brexit, it seems:
I take what that specific individual says with a pound of salt. He is a long time anti-Brexit, anti-Tory ranter.
That isn't to say Brexit hasn't placed extra barriers to exports like him, but he is first to be in the Graudian saying Brexit is absolutely the end of the world and the "Johnson Variant" is responsible. He is the Brexit equivalent of Zero Covid Pagel.
As the article says there are lots of factors, and as I said that isn't to say Brexit hasn't placed extra barriers. You know I own a business in the EU right?
My point is that bloke is a billy bullshitter, but the Guardian swallow his claims regardless. He has this micro cheese business that has been going for 5+ years, but all of a sudden Brexit has costs his massive amounts of money. He is hardly flogging any cheese in the UK, such that it has 1 employee, but we are supposed to believe he is being inundated right after Brexit with all these massive orders that that damn Brexit has stopped him.
I must admit it is quite fun doing a bit of research and picking out the bullshit from these stories. This is not the first time the Guardian has featured this particular gentleman. Back in January he was splashed all over the paper making complaints.
2. I'm still waiting to hear all the massive export success stories.
Not disagreeing with you. I know loads of friends with tiny companies who are having problems. And loads of tiny companies start to add up both in terms of numbers/value and of opposition to Brexit if they all get the hump.
But the issue as I said is implementation. Getting rid of Johnson won't make it all rosy overnight but until he is gone we can do nothing to start to make Brexit work as it should.
Not a bad election slogan for Sir Keir: 'Get rid of Johnson; make Brexit work as it should.'
It's good to be able to choose meat with that extra added savour of ill treatment, right?
Good to see all that Scottish Nationalist hate for our Aussie cousins.
The Scottish Farmer is a Scottish Nationalist organ now?
Good to see you blithely accepting that your bunch of dislikeable, untrustworthy weaklings are losing natural Tory voters at a rate of knots. Eventually there'll only be a battered head left mouthing 'tis but a flesh wound' and 'the don't knows are right behind us'.
Farmers now have more markets to export to thanks to the new trade deals we have
That you can post this with a straight face demonstrates how clueless you are. DOn't worry, you aren't alone. The lickspittle David Duguid keeps telling local farmers and fishermen how much better off they now are. As they know (a) they are worse off and (b) he is a prannock the seat is now chalked up as an SNP gain next time.
You can say "more markets to export to" as much as you like. As it isn't true you *will* get caught out.
Fishermen now out of CFP as promised
Yes. And the purpose of leaving the CFP was....?
Find out why CAP and CFP were unpopular and you'll discover what farmers and fishermen were hoping to achieve by leaving things like the CFP.
I'll give you a clue. It isn't what you have given them. And patronising them by lines like "Fishermen now out of CFP as promised" will just make them more determined to vote you out of office.
Fishermen have control of their own waters, as they voted for ie to get out of the CFP and EU
Not so 'blessed are the cheesemakers' under Brexit, it seems:
The Truss myth is surely in tatters. She staked her reputation on a Renaissance for British cheese.
The Norway UK trade deal only came into force on 1 December, so it's a touch difficult to see how the chap could have done all of this in 3 weeks:
Spurrell said he had pursued new business in Norway and Canada but post-Brexit trade deals sealed by the government had put barriers in place.
...
“And now we’ve also lost Norway since the trade deal, as duty for wholesale is 273%. Then we tried Canada but what the government didn’t tell us is that duty of 244% is applied on any consignment over $20 [£15].”
...
Norwegian duty on a £30 cheese pack amounted to £190 extra, he said.
Looks like he is talking to the situation before the trade deal was in force.
"since the trade deal" surely?
Why would anyone agree a trade deal with 273% duty? Surely they should be as far as possible, tariff-free.
If you read the article I linked it explains some of that.
Yes it does, thank you. I think trade is too complicated for me to understand...
It's good to be able to choose meat with that extra added savour of ill treatment, right?
Good to see all that Scottish Nationalist hate for our Aussie cousins.
The Scottish Farmer is a Scottish Nationalist organ now?
Good to see you blithely accepting that your bunch of dislikeable, untrustworthy weaklings are losing natural Tory voters at a rate of knots. Eventually there'll only be a battered head left mouthing 'tis but a flesh wound' and 'the don't knows are right behind us'.
Farmers now have more markets to export to thanks to the new trade deals we have
That you can post this with a straight face demonstrates how clueless you are. DOn't worry, you aren't alone. The lickspittle David Duguid keeps telling local farmers and fishermen how much better off they now are. As they know (a) they are worse off and (b) he is a prannock the seat is now chalked up as an SNP gain next time.
You can say "more markets to export to" as much as you like. As it isn't true you *will* get caught out.
Fishermen now out of CFP as promised
Yes. And the purpose of leaving the CFP was....?
Find out why CAP and CFP were unpopular and you'll discover what farmers and fishermen were hoping to achieve by leaving things like the CFP.
I'll give you a clue. It isn't what you have given them. And patronising them by lines like "Fishermen now out of CFP as promised" will just make them more determined to vote you out of office.
Fishermen have control of their own waters, as they voted for ie to get out of the CFP and EU
Not so 'blessed are the cheesemakers' under Brexit, it seems:
I take what that specific individual says with a pound of salt. He is a long time anti-Brexit, anti-Tory ranter.
That isn't to say Brexit hasn't placed extra barriers to exports like him, but he is first to be in the Graudian saying Brexit is absolutely the end of the world and the "Johnson Variant" is responsible. He is the Brexit equivalent of Zero Covid Pagel.
As the article says there are lots of factors, and as I said that isn't to say Brexit hasn't placed extra barriers. You know I own a business in the EU right?
My point is that bloke is a billy bullshitter, but the Guardian swallow his claims regardless. He has this micro cheese business that has been going for 5+ years, but all of a sudden Brexit has costs his massive amounts of money. He is hardly flogging any cheese in the UK, such that it has 1 employee, but we are supposed to believe he is being inundated right after Brexit with all these massive orders that that damn Brexit has stopped him.
I must admit it is quite fun doing a bit of research and picking out the bullshit from these stories. This is not the first time the Guardian has featured this particular gentleman. Back in January he was splashed all over the paper making complaints.
2. I'm still waiting to hear all the massive export success stories.
Not disagreeing with you. I know loads of friends with tiny companies who are having problems. And loads of tiny companies start to add up both in terms of numbers/value and of opposition to Brexit if they all get the hump.
But the issue as I said is implementation. Getting rid of Johnson won't make it all rosy overnight but until he is gone we can do nothing to start to make Brexit work as it should.
Not a bad election slogan for Sir Keir: 'Get rid of Johnson; make Brexit work as it should.'
or even: Get rid of Johnson, brexit was all his fault.
As a Yorkshire man, I grew up with cricket in my blood, inherited from my father. I spent all of my childhood summers either playing cricket or wandering around Headingley.
But as a parent, I've failed miserably. I've never got my children remotely interested in cricket. They won't even know the Ashes is over today. Nothing but football. I've got them voting Labour, being decent folk, drinking beer etc. - all the things I love. Except cricket. I guess it's a generational thing, sadly.
Football is a behemoth crowding every other sport out, I'm afraid. Just been back to Wigan. Football is taking over there too.
Rugby League, now there is a sport in trouble. While cricket still gets sell outs for all the tests, the ODIs, decent numbers for the Hundred / T20, and 5 million watched England in the WC cricket final, rugby league is a shadow of its former self, poor attendances and very poor tv viewership.
Agreed. Except in Oz where it is the big bad Pat TV bully crowding others out. Worst run sport in the country here. Product, especially live, is still great.
Big problem is Rugby Union in the England has become a much better product and attracts lots of top talent. Internationals less so, but Gallagher Premiership is really exciting.
Yes. However, dip below the Premiership, and it is in a parlous state too. Clubs and players disappearing. Huge losses and pitiful crowds at Championship level.
Again I think it comes down to a shift where there are now so many competing things for people's spare time and money. Gone are the days where you joined a cricket club or a rugby club because basically it was the local social club with some sport thrown in.
People will pay for top notch sport be it something like NFL, but aren't willing to go and hang out and watch second tier rugby or cricket.
Broadly agree. Although, was just wondering about football at lower level. There were some impressive attendances in non-league yesterday. This seems to be more popular than for many decades.
Yes that is an interesting point, lower league football appears to still remain strong. I have been to some conference north and conference south matches the past few years and been quite surprised how well attended they are.
If I had to guess it is because big boy football is really expensive. Even "my team", Crewe, known for being family oriented club (yes we don't talk about the scandal), its something silly like £23 for a match day ticket that last time I went pre-pandemic when I was back in the area to see family. That's an expensive day out for a family. And I think there average attendance is well down on 10 years ago.
Where as I went to a non-league game and I think it cost me £7 and £1 for the my mates kids that I took. And a £1 for some chips and 50p for coffee. I think the afternoon for me and 3 of my mates kids was £15.
It might well be that there is displacement going on, where some people are going to further down the pyramid because of the cost. EPL is obviously fine because demand massively exceeds supply.
Yes. All good points. Course, it isn't possible to watch EPL at all on a short notice whim without paying absolutely stupid money. I also like a wander around the ground, which you can't really do anymore. Except at non-league.
£23 to watch Crewe? £6 a month Netflix.
No surprise crowds aren't flocking to Gresty Road. That and bottom of the league too.
Crewe is in a right old mess. Their business model of developing talent, bringing them into the team and getting ~3 years of good football, with the unwritten rule that if / when a big club comes in, everybody is on the same page and they get a good deal for everybody has all fallen away.
Some of the best talent had played literally a season in the first team and immediately told the club they aren't resigning any contract ever, I want to leave....and they get transferred too quickly sideways and never go anywhere.
Plus the way they've handled the Barry Bennell issue must have also put off any parent letting their kids join Crewe's academy.
I don't know about that to be honest. None of the individuals from that time are involved any more and the facilities that Crewe have are far better than clubs of a similar level. I would say the loss of Steve Holland and a number of other top quality coaches over the past 10 years probably more of an impact if you were choosing where your kids would go.
That all been said, they still appear to be getting loads of talent through the youth ranks, but as I say, they play a season in the first team and their agent then immediately fills their head full of nonsense that they need to leave to go to another League One club, from which they will be a Premier League star.
I would guess off the top of my head they have lost a full first eleven of home grown stars over the past 3 seasons.
Agents chasing fees? Next you’ll be telling me they are like investment bankers
It's good to be able to choose meat with that extra added savour of ill treatment, right?
Good to see all that Scottish Nationalist hate for our Aussie cousins.
The Scottish Farmer is a Scottish Nationalist organ now?
Good to see you blithely accepting that your bunch of dislikeable, untrustworthy weaklings are losing natural Tory voters at a rate of knots. Eventually there'll only be a battered head left mouthing 'tis but a flesh wound' and 'the don't knows are right behind us'.
Farmers now have more markets to export to thanks to the new trade deals we have
That you can post this with a straight face demonstrates how clueless you are. DOn't worry, you aren't alone. The lickspittle David Duguid keeps telling local farmers and fishermen how much better off they now are. As they know (a) they are worse off and (b) he is a prannock the seat is now chalked up as an SNP gain next time.
You can say "more markets to export to" as much as you like. As it isn't true you *will* get caught out.
Fishermen now out of CFP as promised
Yes. And the purpose of leaving the CFP was....?
Find out why CAP and CFP were unpopular and you'll discover what farmers and fishermen were hoping to achieve by leaving things like the CFP.
I'll give you a clue. It isn't what you have given them. And patronising them by lines like "Fishermen now out of CFP as promised" will just make them more determined to vote you out of office.
Fishermen have control of their own waters, as they voted for ie to get out of the CFP and EU
Not so 'blessed are the cheesemakers' under Brexit, it seems:
I take what that specific individual says with a pound of salt. He is a long time anti-Brexit, anti-Tory ranter.
That isn't to say Brexit hasn't placed extra barriers to exports like him, but he is first to be in the Graudian saying Brexit is absolutely the end of the world and the "Johnson Variant" is responsible. He is the Brexit equivalent of Zero Covid Pagel.
As the article says there are lots of factors, and as I said that isn't to say Brexit hasn't placed extra barriers. You know I own a business in the EU right?
My point is that bloke is a billy bullshitter, but the Guardian swallow his claims regardless. He has this micro cheese business that has been going for 5+ years, but all of a sudden Brexit has costs his massive amounts of money. He is hardly flogging any cheese in the UK, such that it has 1 employee, but we are supposed to believe he is being inundated right after Brexit with all these massive orders that that damn Brexit has stopped him.
I must admit it is quite fun doing a bit of research and picking out the bullshit from these stories. This is not the first time the Guardian has featured this particular gentleman. Back in January he was splashed all over the paper making complaints.
2. I'm still waiting to hear all the massive export success stories.
Arguably Scotch Whisky is one, due to Brexit allowing Truss to arrange a reduction of US punitive tariffs imposed during the US spat with the EU on aircraft.
It's good to be able to choose meat with that extra added savour of ill treatment, right?
Good to see all that Scottish Nationalist hate for our Aussie cousins.
The Scottish Farmer is a Scottish Nationalist organ now?
Good to see you blithely accepting that your bunch of dislikeable, untrustworthy weaklings are losing natural Tory voters at a rate of knots. Eventually there'll only be a battered head left mouthing 'tis but a flesh wound' and 'the don't knows are right behind us'.
Farmers now have more markets to export to thanks to the new trade deals we have.
The SNP it seems would whack up tariffs and protectionism however on imports from any country outside the EU.
Nationalists and authoritarian Covid restriction imposers at home and protectionist abroad, the SNP in a nutshell
Do you actually know any of the details of these trade deals? How they are better than before, for specific products, that people actually want to buy for the price we can supply them at? Last time this was up for discussion I believe you were proposing selling carrots to Australia.
We can sign a trade deal with the moon but it doesn't generate a single sale
He is an idiot, has not a clue, just a total sheep.
Hey Malcolm, hope you, your wife, and family are doing ok today, following yesterday's news.
Well funny you should mention , I had positive LFT today so off for PCR tests, they are chock ablock sop tomorrow afternoon was first appointment. I feel fine , mild headache and sniffles but nothing bad so far, wife tested negative so far. Thanks for asking. We have all three jags so hopefully will be not too bad. Daughter so far is like flu and hopefully stays that way.
It'd be a poor world if you fell to covid. English swords - that's what your end should be! Clearly I believe none of the previous, and hope that you man up..
It's good to be able to choose meat with that extra added savour of ill treatment, right?
Good to see all that Scottish Nationalist hate for our Aussie cousins.
The Scottish Farmer is a Scottish Nationalist organ now?
Good to see you blithely accepting that your bunch of dislikeable, untrustworthy weaklings are losing natural Tory voters at a rate of knots. Eventually there'll only be a battered head left mouthing 'tis but a flesh wound' and 'the don't knows are right behind us'.
Farmers now have more markets to export to thanks to the new trade deals we have
That you can post this with a straight face demonstrates how clueless you are. DOn't worry, you aren't alone. The lickspittle David Duguid keeps telling local farmers and fishermen how much better off they now are. As they know (a) they are worse off and (b) he is a prannock the seat is now chalked up as an SNP gain next time.
You can say "more markets to export to" as much as you like. As it isn't true you *will* get caught out.
Fishermen now out of CFP as promised
Yes. And the purpose of leaving the CFP was....?
Find out why CAP and CFP were unpopular and you'll discover what farmers and fishermen were hoping to achieve by leaving things like the CFP.
I'll give you a clue. It isn't what you have given them. And patronising them by lines like "Fishermen now out of CFP as promised" will just make them more determined to vote you out of office.
Fishermen have control of their own waters, as they voted for ie to get out of the CFP and EU
Not so 'blessed are the cheesemakers' under Brexit, it seems:
I take what that specific individual says with a pound of salt. He is a long time anti-Brexit, anti-Tory ranter.
That isn't to say Brexit hasn't placed extra barriers to exports like him, but he is first to be in the Graudian saying Brexit is absolutely the end of the world and the "Johnson Variant" is responsible. He is the Brexit equivalent of Zero Covid Pagel.
As the article says there are lots of factors, and as I said that isn't to say Brexit hasn't placed extra barriers. You know I own a business in the EU right?
My point is that bloke is a billy bullshitter, but the Guardian swallow his claims regardless. He has this micro cheese business that has been going for 5+ years, but all of a sudden Brexit has costs his massive amounts of money. He is hardly flogging any cheese in the UK, such that it has 1 employee, but we are supposed to believe he is being inundated right after Brexit with all these massive orders that that damn Brexit has stopped him.
I must admit it is quite fun doing a bit of research and picking out the bullshit from these stories. This is not the first time the Guardian has featured this particular gentleman. Back in January he was splashed all over the paper making complaints.
2. I'm still waiting to hear all the massive export success stories.
Not disagreeing with you. I know loads of friends with tiny companies who are having problems. And loads of tiny companies start to add up both in terms of numbers/value and of opposition to Brexit if they all get the hump.
But the issue as I said is implementation. Getting rid of Johnson won't make it all rosy overnight but until he is gone we can do nothing to start to make Brexit work as it should.
What a laughable idea. If it was not for Boris leading the Leave campaign in 2016 rather than Farage or Gove, Remain would likely have narrowly won. If it was not for Boris winning a landslide in 2019 Brexit would never have got through Parliament.
As for whinging about 'making Brexit work as it should', the UK is now out of the EU, out of the single market and out of the customs union. It is no longer subject to the ECJ, no longer pays large sums to the EU, is out of the CFP, has replaced free movement with a points system and does its own trade deals.
The likeliest replacement for Boris would likely be Starmer who would probably take the UK back into the customs union so no more trade deals and align more closely to single market regulations again
It's good to be able to choose meat with that extra added savour of ill treatment, right?
Good to see all that Scottish Nationalist hate for our Aussie cousins.
The Scottish Farmer is a Scottish Nationalist organ now?
Good to see you blithely accepting that your bunch of dislikeable, untrustworthy weaklings are losing natural Tory voters at a rate of knots. Eventually there'll only be a battered head left mouthing 'tis but a flesh wound' and 'the don't knows are right behind us'.
Farmers now have more markets to export to thanks to the new trade deals we have.
The SNP it seems would whack up tariffs and protectionism however on imports from any country outside the EU.
Nationalists and authoritarian Covid restriction imposers at home and protectionist abroad, the SNP in a nutshell
Do you actually know any of the details of these trade deals? How they are better than before, for specific products, that people actually want to buy for the price we can supply them at? Last time this was up for discussion I believe you were proposing selling carrots to Australia.
We can sign a trade deal with the moon but it doesn't generate a single sale
So much for being a Peelite, Gladstone free trade Liberal. Seems like you too are very much in the protectionist, high tariff, Joseph Chamberlain mould if it comes to any trade outside the EU
Nope I am all for free trade. We had a free trade agreement inside the EU. Negotiating free trade agreements that don't actually generate sales or more than we had before is in reality net negative free trade agreements.
So how about actually answering the question I put to you.
You are obviously not all for free trade otherwise you would not be opposing any trade deals we have negotiated beyond the EU like with Australia. Deals which also offer opportunities to UK exporters.
So in reality you are more an EUphile protectionist than a genuine liberal free trader
It's good to be able to choose meat with that extra added savour of ill treatment, right?
Good to see all that Scottish Nationalist hate for our Aussie cousins.
The Scottish Farmer is a Scottish Nationalist organ now?
Good to see you blithely accepting that your bunch of dislikeable, untrustworthy weaklings are losing natural Tory voters at a rate of knots. Eventually there'll only be a battered head left mouthing 'tis but a flesh wound' and 'the don't knows are right behind us'.
Farmers now have more markets to export to thanks to the new trade deals we have
That you can post this with a straight face demonstrates how clueless you are. DOn't worry, you aren't alone. The lickspittle David Duguid keeps telling local farmers and fishermen how much better off they now are. As they know (a) they are worse off and (b) he is a prannock the seat is now chalked up as an SNP gain next time.
You can say "more markets to export to" as much as you like. As it isn't true you *will* get caught out.
Fishermen now out of CFP as promised
Yes. And the purpose of leaving the CFP was....?
Find out why CAP and CFP were unpopular and you'll discover what farmers and fishermen were hoping to achieve by leaving things like the CFP.
I'll give you a clue. It isn't what you have given them. And patronising them by lines like "Fishermen now out of CFP as promised" will just make them more determined to vote you out of office.
Fishermen have control of their own waters, as they voted for ie to get out of the CFP and EU
Not so 'blessed are the cheesemakers' under Brexit, it seems:
I take what that specific individual says with a pound of salt. He is a long time anti-Brexit, anti-Tory ranter.
That isn't to say Brexit hasn't placed extra barriers to exports like him, but he is first to be in the Graudian saying Brexit is absolutely the end of the world and the "Johnson Variant" is responsible. He is the Brexit equivalent of Zero Covid Pagel.
As the article says there are lots of factors, and as I said that isn't to say Brexit hasn't placed extra barriers. You know I own a business in the EU right?
My point is that bloke is a billy bullshitter, but the Guardian swallow his claims regardless. He has this micro cheese business that has been going for 5+ years, but all of a sudden Brexit has costs his massive amounts of money. He is hardly flogging any cheese in the UK, such that it has 1 employee, but we are supposed to believe he is being inundated right after Brexit with all these massive orders that that damn Brexit has stopped him.
I must admit it is quite fun doing a bit of research and picking out the bullshit from these stories. This is not the first time the Guardian has featured this particular gentleman. Back in January he was splashed all over the paper making complaints.
2. I'm still waiting to hear all the massive export success stories.
Not disagreeing with you. I know loads of friends with tiny companies who are having problems. And loads of tiny companies start to add up both in terms of numbers/value and of opposition to Brexit if they all get the hump.
But the issue as I said is implementation. Getting rid of Johnson won't make it all rosy overnight but until he is gone we can do nothing to start to make Brexit work as it should.
What a laughable idea. If it was not for Boris leading the Leave campaign in 2016 rather than Farage or Gove, Remain would likely have narrowly won. If it was not for Boris winning a landslide in 2019 Brexit would never have got through Parliament.
As for whinging about 'making Brexit work as it should', the UK is now out of the EU, out of the single market and out of the customs union. It is no longer subject to the ECJ, no longer pays large sums to the EU, is out of the CFP, has replaced free movement with a points system and does its own trade deals.
The likeliest replacement for Boris would likely be Starmer who would probably take the UK back into the customs union so no more trade deals and align more closely to single market regulations again
The UK hasn't even implemented its own customs controls with the EU, for heaven's sake. So it's certainly not 'out' in one verry meaningful sense. Of course, four years is a TERRIBLY long time for a Tory Government, especially latterly led by Mr Johnson, to actually get its act together.
It's good to be able to choose meat with that extra added savour of ill treatment, right?
Good to see all that Scottish Nationalist hate for our Aussie cousins.
The Scottish Farmer is a Scottish Nationalist organ now?
Good to see you blithely accepting that your bunch of dislikeable, untrustworthy weaklings are losing natural Tory voters at a rate of knots. Eventually there'll only be a battered head left mouthing 'tis but a flesh wound' and 'the don't knows are right behind us'.
Farmers now have more markets to export to thanks to the new trade deals we have
That you can post this with a straight face demonstrates how clueless you are. DOn't worry, you aren't alone. The lickspittle David Duguid keeps telling local farmers and fishermen how much better off they now are. As they know (a) they are worse off and (b) he is a prannock the seat is now chalked up as an SNP gain next time.
You can say "more markets to export to" as much as you like. As it isn't true you *will* get caught out.
Fishermen now out of CFP as promised
Yes. And the purpose of leaving the CFP was....?
Find out why CAP and CFP were unpopular and you'll discover what farmers and fishermen were hoping to achieve by leaving things like the CFP.
I'll give you a clue. It isn't what you have given them. And patronising them by lines like "Fishermen now out of CFP as promised" will just make them more determined to vote you out of office.
Fishermen have control of their own waters, as they voted for ie to get out of the CFP and EU
Not so 'blessed are the cheesemakers' under Brexit, it seems:
I take what that specific individual says with a pound of salt. He is a long time anti-Brexit, anti-Tory ranter.
That isn't to say Brexit hasn't placed extra barriers to exports like him, but he is first to be in the Graudian saying Brexit is absolutely the end of the world and the "Johnson Variant" is responsible. He is the Brexit equivalent of Zero Covid Pagel.
As the article says there are lots of factors, and as I said that isn't to say Brexit hasn't placed extra barriers. You know I own a business in the EU right?
My point is that bloke is a billy bullshitter, but the Guardian swallow his claims regardless. He has this micro cheese business that has been going for 5+ years, but all of a sudden Brexit has costs his massive amounts of money. He is hardly flogging any cheese in the UK, such that it has 1 employee, but we are supposed to believe he is being inundated right after Brexit with all these massive orders that that damn Brexit has stopped him.
I must admit it is quite fun doing a bit of research and picking out the bullshit from these stories. This is not the first time the Guardian has featured this particular gentleman. Back in January he was splashed all over the paper making complaints.
2. I'm still waiting to hear all the massive export success stories.
Not disagreeing with you. I know loads of friends with tiny companies who are having problems. And loads of tiny companies start to add up both in terms of numbers/value and of opposition to Brexit if they all get the hump.
But the issue as I said is implementation. Getting rid of Johnson won't make it all rosy overnight but until he is gone we can do nothing to start to make Brexit work as it should.
What a laughable idea. If it was not for Boris leading the Leave campaign in 2016 rather than Farage or Gove, Remain would likely have narrowly won. If it was not for Boris winning a landslide in 2019 Brexit would never have got through Parliament.
As for whinging about 'making Brexit work as it should', the UK is now out of the EU, out of the single market and out of the customs union. It is no longer subject to the ECJ, no longer pays large sums to the EU, is out of the CFP, has replaced free movement with a points system and does its own trade deals.
The likeliest replacement for Boris would likely be Starmer who would probably take the UK back into the customs union so no more trade deals and align more closely to single market regulations again
The UK hasn't even implemented its own customs controls with the EU, for heaven's sake. So it's certainly not 'out' in one verry meaningful sense. Of course, four years is a TERRIBLY long time for a Tory Government, especially latterly led by Mr Johnson, to actually get its act together.
Sarcasm rarely comes across well in print. One this occasion it does!
It's good to be able to choose meat with that extra added savour of ill treatment, right?
Good to see all that Scottish Nationalist hate for our Aussie cousins.
The Scottish Farmer is a Scottish Nationalist organ now?
Good to see you blithely accepting that your bunch of dislikeable, untrustworthy weaklings are losing natural Tory voters at a rate of knots. Eventually there'll only be a battered head left mouthing 'tis but a flesh wound' and 'the don't knows are right behind us'.
Farmers now have more markets to export to thanks to the new trade deals we have
That you can post this with a straight face demonstrates how clueless you are. DOn't worry, you aren't alone. The lickspittle David Duguid keeps telling local farmers and fishermen how much better off they now are. As they know (a) they are worse off and (b) he is a prannock the seat is now chalked up as an SNP gain next time.
You can say "more markets to export to" as much as you like. As it isn't true you *will* get caught out.
Just imagine, the former seat of Alex Salmond falling to the SNP. Who could have ever thought such a thing imaginable? 😱
Sure! But YakiDa keeps saying how brilliant Brexit has been for farmers and fisherman, a line copied by Duguid. As it palpably isn't reality, they are going to get punished if they keep saying Don't Look Up.
I do strongly believe that you make the mistake of failing to differentiate between the act of Brexit in itself and the way in which it has been interpreted and enacted by this specific Government. I think this is a difference that a lot of politicians - not least Keir Starmer - understand far better than you seem to.
It was, and still is, possible to have a Brexit that does not result in the issues we are currently seeing. It is the Brexit that I and others advocated for and still believe will eventually occur once this current shower are out of power. The problems we face now are not because of Brexit but because of who we have in charge of the country.
If you want to play a little thought experiment then just imagine what would have happened had the vote gone the other way. Cameron would still have been gone by now and most likely replaced either by Corbyn or Johnson. So we would still have been suffering from disastrously bad governance but now in a far more fractured country, with the EU issue still rampant and in all likelihood with the one shining success of the last 2 years - the vaccine rollout - having been as much a failure here as it has been in other parts of the EU.
The reason I make this point is not, as it happens, in support of Brexit as such. I am still firmly of the view that that is done in its raw form but in urgent need of redirection. But it is to point out that your belief that opposition will continue to grow is probably ill founded. Much of that opposition rests on the shoulders of Johnson as the current figurehead and as the man who is making such a mess of almost everything, not just Brexit. Replace him with a more pragmatic and less ideological person in charge - whether that is Starmer, Sunak or Truss amongst others - and the whole mood music changes. Indeed you might well find that the sort of Brexit I was after is much easier to sell after the mess Johnson has made of things so far.
That’s possible, Richard - but is it likely to happen under this government ?
Point being that disillusion with what’s been delivered is likely to continue growing among those who voted for it. We’re not rejoining any time soon, or even not so soon, but that just makes the likelihood of disillusion even greater.
Under this Government? Not a chance. To make any change to the perception of Brexit - indeed to have any chance of making Brexit work as it should - it is a prerequisite that we need Johnson gone. I genuinely believe we would not be in this position under, for example, Hunt.
In reference to this, and to your previous, longer post, where I disagree with you is that I don't think the end of Johnson will necessarily lead to a more 'sensible' Brexit. And that's because whoever is leader is likely to have no choice but to be in thrall to the Brexit 'headbangers' on the Tory backbenches - the Bridgens, Bakers, Frosts, IDS and so forth. The ERG (now the CRG, of course) are obsessed with Brexit purity. Yes, Johnson is their figurehead, but whoever is leader will struggle to get a sensible Brexit unless they are willing to take on and defeat the purists.
Rejoin is off the agenda for a long, long time. So, to cite Starmer, I agree we need to "make Brexit work". Funnily enough, because of the Tory headbangers, a Labour government may be in a better position to do this.
I agree. We are probably at the point now where the Tory MPs as a whole are dimmer and sillier even than Labour ones on average, which is no mean feat. So that, unless by some miracle Boris could be replaced by a Hunt type, a Labour led government many be the better option for a sane gradualist grown ups post- Brexit country. Only with such a government will it become clear that Brexit is two distinct things: a quasi constitutional and foundational settlement (like 1688/9); and the practical situation from which to run ordinary quotidian politics well or badly as the case may be.
However it is about as likely that the next election will be a very good one to lose.
It's good to be able to choose meat with that extra added savour of ill treatment, right?
Good to see all that Scottish Nationalist hate for our Aussie cousins.
The Scottish Farmer is a Scottish Nationalist organ now?
Good to see you blithely accepting that your bunch of dislikeable, untrustworthy weaklings are losing natural Tory voters at a rate of knots. Eventually there'll only be a battered head left mouthing 'tis but a flesh wound' and 'the don't knows are right behind us'.
Farmers now have more markets to export to thanks to the new trade deals we have
That you can post this with a straight face demonstrates how clueless you are. DOn't worry, you aren't alone. The lickspittle David Duguid keeps telling local farmers and fishermen how much better off they now are. As they know (a) they are worse off and (b) he is a prannock the seat is now chalked up as an SNP gain next time.
You can say "more markets to export to" as much as you like. As it isn't true you *will* get caught out.
Just imagine, the former seat of Alex Salmond falling to the SNP. Who could have ever thought such a thing imaginable? 😱
Sure! But YakiDa keeps saying how brilliant Brexit has been for farmers and fisherman, a line copied by Duguid. As it palpably isn't reality, they are going to get punished if they keep saying Don't Look Up.
I do strongly believe that you make the mistake of failing to differentiate between the act of Brexit in itself and the way in which it has been interpreted and enacted by this specific Government. I think this is a difference that a lot of politicians - not least Keir Starmer - understand far better than you seem to.
It was, and still is, possible to have a Brexit that does not result in the issues we are currently seeing. It is the Brexit that I and others advocated for and still believe will eventually occur once this current shower are out of power. The problems we face now are not because of Brexit but because of who we have in charge of the country.
If you want to play a little thought experiment then just imagine what would have happened had the vote gone the other way. Cameron would still have been gone by now and most likely replaced either by Corbyn or Johnson. So we would still have been suffering from disastrously bad governance but now in a far more fractured country, with the EU issue still rampant and in all likelihood with the one shining success of the last 2 years - the vaccine rollout - having been as much a failure here as it has been in other parts of the EU.
The reason I make this point is not, as it happens, in support of Brexit as such. I am still firmly of the view that that is done in its raw form but in urgent need of redirection. But it is to point out that your belief that opposition will continue to grow is probably ill founded. Much of that opposition rests on the shoulders of Johnson as the current figurehead and as the man who is making such a mess of almost everything, not just Brexit. Replace him with a more pragmatic and less ideological person in charge - whether that is Starmer, Sunak or Truss amongst others - and the whole mood music changes. Indeed you might well find that the sort of Brexit I was after is much easier to sell after the mess Johnson has made of things so far.
That’s possible, Richard - but is it likely to happen under this government ?
Point being that disillusion with what’s been delivered is likely to continue growing among those who voted for it. We’re not rejoining any time soon, or even not so soon, but that just makes the likelihood of disillusion even greater.
Under this Government? Not a chance. To make any change to the perception of Brexit - indeed to have any chance of making Brexit work as it should - it is a prerequisite that we need Johnson gone. I genuinely believe we would not be in this position under, for example, Hunt.
In reference to this, and to your previous, longer post, where I disagree with you is that I don't think the end of Johnson will necessarily lead to a more 'sensible' Brexit. And that's because whoever is leader is likely to have no choice but to be in thrall to the Brexit 'headbangers' on the Tory backbenches - the Bridgens, Bakers, Frosts, IDS and so forth. The ERG (now the CRG, of course) are obsessed with Brexit purity. Yes, Johnson is their figurehead, but whoever is leader will struggle to get a sensible Brexit unless they are willing to take on and defeat the purists.
Rejoin is off the agenda for a long, long time. So, to cite Starmer, I agree we need to "make Brexit work". Funnily enough, because of the Tory headbangers, a Labour government may be in a better position to do this.
I agree. We are probably at the point now where the Tory MPs as a whole are dimmer and sillier even than Labour ones on average, which is no mean feat. So that, unless by some miracle Boris could be replaced by a Hunt type, a Labour led government many be the better option for a sane gradualist grown ups post- Brexit country. Only with such a government will it become clear that Brexit is two distinct things: a quasi constitutional and foundational settlement (like 1688/9); and the practical situation from which to run ordinary quotidian politics well or badly as the case may be.
However it is about as likely that the next election will be a very good one to lose.
It's good to be able to choose meat with that extra added savour of ill treatment, right?
Good to see all that Scottish Nationalist hate for our Aussie cousins.
The Scottish Farmer is a Scottish Nationalist organ now?
Good to see you blithely accepting that your bunch of dislikeable, untrustworthy weaklings are losing natural Tory voters at a rate of knots. Eventually there'll only be a battered head left mouthing 'tis but a flesh wound' and 'the don't knows are right behind us'.
Farmers now have more markets to export to thanks to the new trade deals we have
That you can post this with a straight face demonstrates how clueless you are. DOn't worry, you aren't alone. The lickspittle David Duguid keeps telling local farmers and fishermen how much better off they now are. As they know (a) they are worse off and (b) he is a prannock the seat is now chalked up as an SNP gain next time.
You can say "more markets to export to" as much as you like. As it isn't true you *will* get caught out.
Fishermen now out of CFP as promised
Yes. And the purpose of leaving the CFP was....?
Find out why CAP and CFP were unpopular and you'll discover what farmers and fishermen were hoping to achieve by leaving things like the CFP.
I'll give you a clue. It isn't what you have given them. And patronising them by lines like "Fishermen now out of CFP as promised" will just make them more determined to vote you out of office.
Fishermen have control of their own waters, as they voted for ie to get out of the CFP and EU
Not so 'blessed are the cheesemakers' under Brexit, it seems:
I take what that specific individual says with a pound of salt. He is a long time anti-Brexit, anti-Tory ranter.
That isn't to say Brexit hasn't placed extra barriers to exports like him, but he is first to be in the Graudian saying Brexit is absolutely the end of the world and the "Johnson Variant" is responsible. He is the Brexit equivalent of Zero Covid Pagel.
As the article says there are lots of factors, and as I said that isn't to say Brexit hasn't placed extra barriers. You know I own a business in the EU right?
My point is that bloke is a billy bullshitter, but the Guardian swallow his claims regardless. He has this micro cheese business that has been going for 5+ years, but all of a sudden Brexit has costs his massive amounts of money. He is hardly flogging any cheese in the UK, such that it has 1 employee, but we are supposed to believe he is being inundated right after Brexit with all these massive orders that that damn Brexit has stopped him.
I must admit it is quite fun doing a bit of research and picking out the bullshit from these stories. This is not the first time the Guardian has featured this particular gentleman. Back in January he was splashed all over the paper making complaints.
2. I'm still waiting to hear all the massive export success stories.
Not disagreeing with you. I know loads of friends with tiny companies who are having problems. And loads of tiny companies start to add up both in terms of numbers/value and of opposition to Brexit if they all get the hump.
But the issue as I said is implementation. Getting rid of Johnson won't make it all rosy overnight but until he is gone we can do nothing to start to make Brexit work as it should.
What a laughable idea. If it was not for Boris leading the Leave campaign in 2016 rather than Farage or Gove, Remain would likely have narrowly won. If it was not for Boris winning a landslide in 2019 Brexit would never have got through Parliament.
As for whinging about 'making Brexit work as it should', the UK is now out of the EU, out of the single market and out of the customs union. It is no longer subject to the ECJ, no longer pays large sums to the EU, is out of the CFP, has replaced free movement with a points system and does its own trade deals.
The likeliest replacement for Boris would likely be Starmer who would probably take the UK back into the customs union so no more trade deals and align more closely to single market regulations again
The UK hasn't even implemented its own customs controls with the EU, for heaven's sake. So it's certainly not 'out' in one verry meaningful sense. Of course, four years is a TERRIBLY long time for a Tory Government, especially latterly led by Mr Johnson, to actually get its act together.
Relevant comment on that from one of the articles linked in this thread, which seems fair enough.
I interpret that as "get things resolved quickly", rather than 'blame Brussels'. For the same reason we should have brought the fishing license thing to a head in June.
It's good to be able to choose meat with that extra added savour of ill treatment, right?
Good to see all that Scottish Nationalist hate for our Aussie cousins.
The Scottish Farmer is a Scottish Nationalist organ now?
Good to see you blithely accepting that your bunch of dislikeable, untrustworthy weaklings are losing natural Tory voters at a rate of knots. Eventually there'll only be a battered head left mouthing 'tis but a flesh wound' and 'the don't knows are right behind us'.
Farmers now have more markets to export to thanks to the new trade deals we have
That you can post this with a straight face demonstrates how clueless you are. DOn't worry, you aren't alone. The lickspittle David Duguid keeps telling local farmers and fishermen how much better off they now are. As they know (a) they are worse off and (b) he is a prannock the seat is now chalked up as an SNP gain next time.
You can say "more markets to export to" as much as you like. As it isn't true you *will* get caught out.
Fishermen now out of CFP as promised
Yes. And the purpose of leaving the CFP was....?
Find out why CAP and CFP were unpopular and you'll discover what farmers and fishermen were hoping to achieve by leaving things like the CFP.
I'll give you a clue. It isn't what you have given them. And patronising them by lines like "Fishermen now out of CFP as promised" will just make them more determined to vote you out of office.
Fishermen have control of their own waters, as they voted for ie to get out of the CFP and EU
Not so 'blessed are the cheesemakers' under Brexit, it seems:
I take what that specific individual says with a pound of salt. He is a long time anti-Brexit, anti-Tory ranter.
That isn't to say Brexit hasn't placed extra barriers to exports like him, but he is first to be in the Graudian saying Brexit is absolutely the end of the world and the "Johnson Variant" is responsible. He is the Brexit equivalent of Zero Covid Pagel.
As the article says there are lots of factors, and as I said that isn't to say Brexit hasn't placed extra barriers. You know I own a business in the EU right?
My point is that bloke is a billy bullshitter, but the Guardian swallow his claims regardless. He has this micro cheese business that has been going for 5+ years, but all of a sudden Brexit has costs his massive amounts of money. He is hardly flogging any cheese in the UK, such that it has 1 employee, but we are supposed to believe he is being inundated right after Brexit with all these massive orders that that damn Brexit has stopped him.
I must admit it is quite fun doing a bit of research and picking out the bullshit from these stories. This is not the first time the Guardian has featured this particular gentleman. Back in January he was splashed all over the paper making complaints.
2. I'm still waiting to hear all the massive export success stories.
Not disagreeing with you. I know loads of friends with tiny companies who are having problems. And loads of tiny companies start to add up both in terms of numbers/value and of opposition to Brexit if they all get the hump.
But the issue as I said is implementation. Getting rid of Johnson won't make it all rosy overnight but until he is gone we can do nothing to start to make Brexit work as it should.
What a laughable idea. If it was not for Boris leading the Leave campaign in 2016 rather than Farage or Gove, Remain would likely have narrowly won. If it was not for Boris winning a landslide in 2019 Brexit would never have got through Parliament.
As for whinging about 'making Brexit work as it should', the UK is now out of the EU, out of the single market and out of the customs union. It is no longer subject to the ECJ, no longer pays large sums to the EU, is out of the CFP, has replaced free movement with a points system and does its own trade deals.
The likeliest replacement for Boris would likely be Starmer who would probably take the UK back into the customs union so no more trade deals and align more closely to single market regulations again
The UK hasn't even implemented its own customs controls with the EU, for heaven's sake. So it's certainly not 'out' in one verry meaningful sense. Of course, four years is a TERRIBLY long time for a Tory Government, especially latterly led by Mr Johnson, to actually get its act together.
Relevant comment on that from one of the articles linked in this thread, which seems fair enough:
(comment on the article) Why would it require EU Buy-in? They by definition would like minimal to nil custom controls on their exports. We would like the same - did we get a veto on the EU introducing their controls?
That RSPCA grid is interesting; turning subtle differences into black and white distinctions - for example hormone treated beef is only a minority of the Ozzie stick - in an effort to obtain an effective veto on what goes in UK trade deals.
I'm biased, of course, but in this case I think it's fair enough. Hormone treatment is given for a reason (to promote "unnaturally" rapid growth, arguably with risks to welfare and health) and it's probably the most profitable way if it's permitted. Trade treaties are in practice almost impossible to undo, so the RSPCA is right to point out that the treaty allows it - it's quite likely that it will gradually become the norm where permitted. Moreover, the label is most unlikely to indicate whether it was hormone-treated or not, so those consumers who care about it will be unable to make an informed choice.
To defend it and the associated lack of labelling, one really needs to say either "all the concerns are irrational and should be disregarded" or "I don't mind about these issues and nobody else should be allowed to mind either".
Why would the label not indicate it, if people actually give a damn?
Labels indicate organic for anyone who gives a crap about that BS, I don't but others clearly do. There's also the Red Tractor label which I do look for.
Let people choose.
rBST is a great example. Used in American dairy cows for years. No one cared.
Then Arla launched the most unbelievably funny and aggressive marketing campaign (“we asked 100 children to draw what they thought rBST looked like”… cue lots of pictures of scary monsters)
rBST Sales dropped 75% in the first year and now virtually all milk is labelled as being “rBST free”.
But no regulations - it’s still a legal, FDA approved product
It's good to be able to choose meat with that extra added savour of ill treatment, right?
Good to see all that Scottish Nationalist hate for our Aussie cousins.
The Scottish Farmer is a Scottish Nationalist organ now?
Good to see you blithely accepting that your bunch of dislikeable, untrustworthy weaklings are losing natural Tory voters at a rate of knots. Eventually there'll only be a battered head left mouthing 'tis but a flesh wound' and 'the don't knows are right behind us'.
Farmers now have more markets to export to thanks to the new trade deals we have
That you can post this with a straight face demonstrates how clueless you are. DOn't worry, you aren't alone. The lickspittle David Duguid keeps telling local farmers and fishermen how much better off they now are. As they know (a) they are worse off and (b) he is a prannock the seat is now chalked up as an SNP gain next time.
You can say "more markets to export to" as much as you like. As it isn't true you *will* get caught out.
Fishermen now out of CFP as promised
Yes. And the purpose of leaving the CFP was....?
Find out why CAP and CFP were unpopular and you'll discover what farmers and fishermen were hoping to achieve by leaving things like the CFP.
I'll give you a clue. It isn't what you have given them. And patronising them by lines like "Fishermen now out of CFP as promised" will just make them more determined to vote you out of office.
Fishermen have control of their own waters, as they voted for ie to get out of the CFP and EU
Not so 'blessed are the cheesemakers' under Brexit, it seems:
I take what that specific individual says with a pound of salt. He is a long time anti-Brexit, anti-Tory ranter.
That isn't to say Brexit hasn't placed extra barriers to exports like him, but he is first to be in the Graudian saying Brexit is absolutely the end of the world and the "Johnson Variant" is responsible. He is the Brexit equivalent of Zero Covid Pagel.
As the article says there are lots of factors, and as I said that isn't to say Brexit hasn't placed extra barriers. You know I own a business in the EU right?
My point is that bloke is a billy bullshitter, but the Guardian swallow his claims regardless. He has this micro cheese business that has been going for 5+ years, but all of a sudden Brexit has costs his massive amounts of money. He is hardly flogging any cheese in the UK, such that it has 1 employee, but we are supposed to believe he is being inundated right after Brexit with all these massive orders that that damn Brexit has stopped him.
I must admit it is quite fun doing a bit of research and picking out the bullshit from these stories. This is not the first time the Guardian has featured this particular gentleman. Back in January he was splashed all over the paper making complaints.
2. I'm still waiting to hear all the massive export success stories.
Not disagreeing with you. I know loads of friends with tiny companies who are having problems. And loads of tiny companies start to add up both in terms of numbers/value and of opposition to Brexit if they all get the hump.
But the issue as I said is implementation. Getting rid of Johnson won't make it all rosy overnight but until he is gone we can do nothing to start to make Brexit work as it should.
Not a bad election slogan for Sir Keir: 'Get rid of Johnson; make Brexit work as it should.'
Although the slogan invites the question 'By what policies?' A question Labour may not plan to address until sitting in No 10. I doubt if there is any specific policy which when explained would command more than about a third or less of voters. I think they shall have to get by on generalised sunlit uplands.
Of course the moment could come when Labour also are slain on the altar of the fact that you can have the single market or no FOM but not both. A rich reward awaits any politician who could fix to have the two.
It's good to be able to choose meat with that extra added savour of ill treatment, right?
Good to see all that Scottish Nationalist hate for our Aussie cousins.
The Scottish Farmer is a Scottish Nationalist organ now?
Good to see you blithely accepting that your bunch of dislikeable, untrustworthy weaklings are losing natural Tory voters at a rate of knots. Eventually there'll only be a battered head left mouthing 'tis but a flesh wound' and 'the don't knows are right behind us'.
Farmers now have more markets to export to thanks to the new trade deals we have.
The SNP it seems would whack up tariffs and protectionism however on imports from any country outside the EU.
Nationalists and authoritarian Covid restriction imposers at home and protectionist abroad, the SNP in a nutshell
Do you actually know any of the details of these trade deals? How they are better than before, for specific products, that people actually want to buy for the price we can supply them at? Last time this was up for discussion I believe you were proposing selling carrots to Australia.
We can sign a trade deal with the moon but it doesn't generate a single sale
So much for being a Peelite, Gladstone free trade Liberal. Seems like you too are very much in the protectionist, high tariff, Joseph Chamberlain mould if it comes to any trade outside the EU
Nope I am all for free trade. We had a free trade agreement inside the EU. Negotiating free trade agreements that don't actually generate sales or more than we had before is in reality net negative free trade agreements.
So how about actually answering the question I put to you.
You are obviously not all for free trade otherwise you would not be opposing any trade deals we have negotiated beyond the EU like with Australia. Deals which also offer opportunities to UK exporters.
So in reality you are more an EUphile protectionist than a genuine liberal free trader
I'm still waiting for you to answer the question.
The answer is you are an EUphile protectionist
So you can't answer the question then? I have attempted three times to get you to answer it and you refuse to answer each time. I think that therefore it's quite clear then that you can't. Rather makes a nonsense then of all your statements doesn't it? Go on do it. Prove me wrong answer it. I suspect you may have to do a lot of research and employ a lot of bluster and exaggeration.
Rather makes a nonesence of your protectionist statement if you can't answer it doesn't it?
It's good to be able to choose meat with that extra added savour of ill treatment, right?
Good to see all that Scottish Nationalist hate for our Aussie cousins.
The Scottish Farmer is a Scottish Nationalist organ now?
Good to see you blithely accepting that your bunch of dislikeable, untrustworthy weaklings are losing natural Tory voters at a rate of knots. Eventually there'll only be a battered head left mouthing 'tis but a flesh wound' and 'the don't knows are right behind us'.
Farmers now have more markets to export to thanks to the new trade deals we have
That you can post this with a straight face demonstrates how clueless you are. DOn't worry, you aren't alone. The lickspittle David Duguid keeps telling local farmers and fishermen how much better off they now are. As they know (a) they are worse off and (b) he is a prannock the seat is now chalked up as an SNP gain next time.
You can say "more markets to export to" as much as you like. As it isn't true you *will* get caught out.
Fishermen now out of CFP as promised
Yes. And the purpose of leaving the CFP was....?
Find out why CAP and CFP were unpopular and you'll discover what farmers and fishermen were hoping to achieve by leaving things like the CFP.
I'll give you a clue. It isn't what you have given them. And patronising them by lines like "Fishermen now out of CFP as promised" will just make them more determined to vote you out of office.
Fishermen have control of their own waters, as they voted for ie to get out of the CFP and EU
Not so 'blessed are the cheesemakers' under Brexit, it seems:
I take what that specific individual says with a pound of salt. He is a long time anti-Brexit, anti-Tory ranter.
That isn't to say Brexit hasn't placed extra barriers to exports like him, but he is first to be in the Graudian saying Brexit is absolutely the end of the world and the "Johnson Variant" is responsible. He is the Brexit equivalent of Zero Covid Pagel.
As the article says there are lots of factors, and as I said that isn't to say Brexit hasn't placed extra barriers. You know I own a business in the EU right?
My point is that bloke is a billy bullshitter, but the Guardian swallow his claims regardless. He has this micro cheese business that has been going for 5+ years, but all of a sudden Brexit has costs his massive amounts of money. He is hardly flogging any cheese in the UK, such that it has 1 employee, but we are supposed to believe he is being inundated right after Brexit with all these massive orders that that damn Brexit has stopped him.
I must admit it is quite fun doing a bit of research and picking out the bullshit from these stories. This is not the first time the Guardian has featured this particular gentleman. Back in January he was splashed all over the paper making complaints.
2. I'm still waiting to hear all the massive export success stories.
Not disagreeing with you. I know loads of friends with tiny companies who are having problems. And loads of tiny companies start to add up both in terms of numbers/value and of opposition to Brexit if they all get the hump.
But the issue as I said is implementation. Getting rid of Johnson won't make it all rosy overnight but until he is gone we can do nothing to start to make Brexit work as it should.
What a laughable idea. If it was not for Boris leading the Leave campaign in 2016 rather than Farage or Gove, Remain would likely have narrowly won. If it was not for Boris winning a landslide in 2019 Brexit would never have got through Parliament.
As for whinging about 'making Brexit work as it should', the UK is now out of the EU, out of the single market and out of the customs union. It is no longer subject to the ECJ, no longer pays large sums to the EU, is out of the CFP, has replaced free movement with a points system and does its own trade deals.
The likeliest replacement for Boris would likely be Starmer who would probably take the UK back into the customs union so no more trade deals and align more closely to single market regulations again
The UK hasn't even implemented its own customs controls with the EU, for heaven's sake. So it's certainly not 'out' in one verry meaningful sense. Of course, four years is a TERRIBLY long time for a Tory Government, especially latterly led by Mr Johnson, to actually get its act together.
Relevant comment on that from one of the articles linked in this thread, which seems fair enough:
(comment on the article) Why would it require EU Buy-in? They by definition would like minimal to nil custom controls on their exports. We would like the same - did we get a veto on the EU introducing their controls?
Surely improvement of customs processes requires both sides to work at it, as they work both ways?
This issue is that the system is not fit for purpose (eg why is so much paper based?). Improvement is a mutual interest.
But EU imports are not yet subject to the not-fit process, as UK Gov has not yet implemented it. So they have insufficient visibility on the problem.
This seems unlikely to be true. Amazon will go bust tomorrow if it is.
Clearly is true, given that Amazon held its hands up and said they'd fixed it. Problem seems to be the trawling algorithm isn't properly screened.
Hang on. How could anything or anybody recommend messing about with mains electricity.
It clearly is not true.
Alexa did an internet search in response to the question. It found a page that had a stupidly dangerous challenge that had been SEO optimised to appear as a top result for searches for "challenges".
It is pretty straightforward what has happened here.
It's good to be able to choose meat with that extra added savour of ill treatment, right?
Good to see all that Scottish Nationalist hate for our Aussie cousins.
The Scottish Farmer is a Scottish Nationalist organ now?
Good to see you blithely accepting that your bunch of dislikeable, untrustworthy weaklings are losing natural Tory voters at a rate of knots. Eventually there'll only be a battered head left mouthing 'tis but a flesh wound' and 'the don't knows are right behind us'.
Farmers now have more markets to export to thanks to the new trade deals we have.
The SNP it seems would whack up tariffs and protectionism however on imports from any country outside the EU.
Nationalists and authoritarian Covid restriction imposers at home and protectionist abroad, the SNP in a nutshell
Do you actually know any of the details of these trade deals? How they are better than before, for specific products, that people actually want to buy for the price we can supply them at? Last time this was up for discussion I believe you were proposing selling carrots to Australia.
We can sign a trade deal with the moon but it doesn't generate a single sale
So much for being a Peelite, Gladstone free trade Liberal. Seems like you too are very much in the protectionist, high tariff, Joseph Chamberlain mould if it comes to any trade outside the EU
Nope I am all for free trade. We had a free trade agreement inside the EU. Negotiating free trade agreements that don't actually generate sales or more than we had before is in reality net negative free trade agreements.
So how about actually answering the question I put to you.
You are obviously not all for free trade otherwise you would not be opposing any trade deals we have negotiated beyond the EU like with Australia. Deals which also offer opportunities to UK exporters.
So in reality you are more an EUphile protectionist than a genuine liberal free trader
I'm still waiting for you to answer the question.
The answer is you are an EUphile protectionist
So you can't answer the question then? I have attempted three times to get you to answer it and you refuse to answer each time. I think that therefore it's quite clear then that you can't. Rather makes a nonsense then of all your statements doesn't it? Go on do it. Prove me wrong answer it. I suspect you may have to do a lot of research and employ a lot of bluster and exaggeration.
Rather makes a nonesence of your protectionist statement if you can't answer it doesn't it?
The answer is you are an EUphile protectionist. There is no other answer as you clearly oppose any trade deals we have outside the EU and opportunities for UK exporters. Instead you would just pull up the drawbridge outside the EU orbit and slam high tariffs on our trade with the rest of the world
What a laughable idea. If it was not for Boris leading the Leave campaign in 2016 rather than Farage or Gove, Remain would likely have narrowly won. If it was not for Boris winning a landslide in 2019 Brexit would never have got through Parliament.
As for whinging about 'making Brexit work as it should', the UK is now out of the EU, out of the single market and out of the customs union. It is no longer subject to the ECJ, no longer pays large sums to the EU, is out of the CFP, has replaced free movement with a points system and does its own trade deals.
The likeliest replacement for Boris would likely be Starmer who would probably take the UK back into the customs union so no more trade deals and align more closely to single market regulations again
Let's say in that alternate universe where Boris Johnson commits to David Cameron and REMAIN and somehow his personality and force of will affects the result so REMAIN wins 52-48.
As a loyal Conservative Party member and REMAIN supporter, you would doubtless welcome the result as a personal triumph for the Prime Minister and urge those who voted LEAVE to accept the result and get behind the Government.
Would David Cameron have served a full second term? He said he wouldn't so in the summer of 2018 (perhaps) he retires and I would imagine George Osborne would be the obvious successor. Osborne's allies in the party such as Matt Hancock are all promoted in the post-leadership election reshuffle with Boris Johnson becoming Foreign Secretary.
There's due to be an election in May 2020 but that's postponed by mutual agreement owing to the Covid crisis. There's extensive criticism of the vaccination rollout as we are constrained to move with the rest of the EU - would Osborne win a May 2021 election against Jeremy Corbyn?
I'll leave you to ponder that but the rest of it is plausible I think.
It's good to be able to choose meat with that extra added savour of ill treatment, right?
Good to see all that Scottish Nationalist hate for our Aussie cousins.
The Scottish Farmer is a Scottish Nationalist organ now?
Good to see you blithely accepting that your bunch of dislikeable, untrustworthy weaklings are losing natural Tory voters at a rate of knots. Eventually there'll only be a battered head left mouthing 'tis but a flesh wound' and 'the don't knows are right behind us'.
Farmers now have more markets to export to thanks to the new trade deals we have.
The SNP it seems would whack up tariffs and protectionism however on imports from any country outside the EU.
Nationalists and authoritarian Covid restriction imposers at home and protectionist abroad, the SNP in a nutshell
Do you actually know any of the details of these trade deals? How they are better than before, for specific products, that people actually want to buy for the price we can supply them at? Last time this was up for discussion I believe you were proposing selling carrots to Australia.
We can sign a trade deal with the moon but it doesn't generate a single sale
So much for being a Peelite, Gladstone free trade Liberal. Seems like you too are very much in the protectionist, high tariff, Joseph Chamberlain mould if it comes to any trade outside the EU
Nope I am all for free trade. We had a free trade agreement inside the EU. Negotiating free trade agreements that don't actually generate sales or more than we had before is in reality net negative free trade agreements.
So how about actually answering the question I put to you.
You are obviously not all for free trade otherwise you would not be opposing any trade deals we have negotiated beyond the EU like with Australia. Deals which also offer opportunities to UK exporters.
So in reality you are more an EUphile protectionist than a genuine liberal free trader
I'm still waiting for you to answer the question.
The answer is you are an EUphile protectionist
So you can't answer the question then? I have attempted three times to get you to answer it and you refuse to answer each time. I think that therefore it's quite clear then that you can't. Rather makes a nonsense then of all your statements doesn't it? Go on do it. Prove me wrong answer it. I suspect you may have to do a lot of research and employ a lot of bluster and exaggeration.
Rather makes a nonesence of your protectionist statement if you can't answer it doesn't it?
The answer is you are an EUphile protectionist. There is no other answer as you clearly oppose any trade deals we have outside the EU and opportunities for UK exporters. Instead you would just pull up the drawbridge outside the EU orbit and slam high tariffs on our trade with the rest of the world
You used to be one too. What's different? Different Conservative Party leader.
It's good to be able to choose meat with that extra added savour of ill treatment, right?
Good to see all that Scottish Nationalist hate for our Aussie cousins.
The Scottish Farmer is a Scottish Nationalist organ now?
Good to see you blithely accepting that your bunch of dislikeable, untrustworthy weaklings are losing natural Tory voters at a rate of knots. Eventually there'll only be a battered head left mouthing 'tis but a flesh wound' and 'the don't knows are right behind us'.
Farmers now have more markets to export to thanks to the new trade deals we have
That you can post this with a straight face demonstrates how clueless you are. DOn't worry, you aren't alone. The lickspittle David Duguid keeps telling local farmers and fishermen how much better off they now are. As they know (a) they are worse off and (b) he is a prannock the seat is now chalked up as an SNP gain next time.
You can say "more markets to export to" as much as you like. As it isn't true you *will* get caught out.
Fishermen now out of CFP as promised
Yes. And the purpose of leaving the CFP was....?
Find out why CAP and CFP were unpopular and you'll discover what farmers and fishermen were hoping to achieve by leaving things like the CFP.
I'll give you a clue. It isn't what you have given them. And patronising them by lines like "Fishermen now out of CFP as promised" will just make them more determined to vote you out of office.
Fishermen have control of their own waters, as they voted for ie to get out of the CFP and EU
Not so 'blessed are the cheesemakers' under Brexit, it seems:
I take what that specific individual says with a pound of salt. He is a long time anti-Brexit, anti-Tory ranter.
That isn't to say Brexit hasn't placed extra barriers to exports like him, but he is first to be in the Graudian saying Brexit is absolutely the end of the world and the "Johnson Variant" is responsible. He is the Brexit equivalent of Zero Covid Pagel.
As the article says there are lots of factors, and as I said that isn't to say Brexit hasn't placed extra barriers. You know I own a business in the EU right?
My point is that bloke is a billy bullshitter, but the Guardian swallow his claims regardless. He has this micro cheese business that has been going for 5+ years, but all of a sudden Brexit has costs his massive amounts of money. He is hardly flogging any cheese in the UK, such that it has 1 employee, but we are supposed to believe he is being inundated right after Brexit with all these massive orders that that damn Brexit has stopped him.
I must admit it is quite fun doing a bit of research and picking out the bullshit from these stories. This is not the first time the Guardian has featured this particular gentleman. Back in January he was splashed all over the paper making complaints.
2. I'm still waiting to hear all the massive export success stories.
Not disagreeing with you. I know loads of friends with tiny companies who are having problems. And loads of tiny companies start to add up both in terms of numbers/value and of opposition to Brexit if they all get the hump.
But the issue as I said is implementation. Getting rid of Johnson won't make it all rosy overnight but until he is gone we can do nothing to start to make Brexit work as it should.
Not a bad election slogan for Sir Keir: 'Get rid of Johnson; make Brexit work as it should.'
Although the slogan invites the question 'By what policies?' A question Labour may not plan to address until sitting in No 10. I doubt if there is any specific policy which when explained would command more than about a third or less of voters. I think they shall have to get by on generalised sunlit uplands.
Of course the moment could come when Labour also are slain on the altar of the fact that you can have the single market or no FOM but not both. A rich reward awaits any politician who could fix to have the two.
Or more to the point for Sir Keir, he can have the single market or no FOM and the redwall but not both. He wants to be PM, so while we still have FPTP that means he may align more to the single market, he will not take us fully back into it
It's good to be able to choose meat with that extra added savour of ill treatment, right?
Good to see all that Scottish Nationalist hate for our Aussie cousins.
The Scottish Farmer is a Scottish Nationalist organ now?
Good to see you blithely accepting that your bunch of dislikeable, untrustworthy weaklings are losing natural Tory voters at a rate of knots. Eventually there'll only be a battered head left mouthing 'tis but a flesh wound' and 'the don't knows are right behind us'.
Farmers now have more markets to export to thanks to the new trade deals we have
That you can post this with a straight face demonstrates how clueless you are. DOn't worry, you aren't alone. The lickspittle David Duguid keeps telling local farmers and fishermen how much better off they now are. As they know (a) they are worse off and (b) he is a prannock the seat is now chalked up as an SNP gain next time.
You can say "more markets to export to" as much as you like. As it isn't true you *will* get caught out.
Fishermen now out of CFP as promised
Yes. And the purpose of leaving the CFP was....?
Find out why CAP and CFP were unpopular and you'll discover what farmers and fishermen were hoping to achieve by leaving things like the CFP.
I'll give you a clue. It isn't what you have given them. And patronising them by lines like "Fishermen now out of CFP as promised" will just make them more determined to vote you out of office.
Fishermen have control of their own waters, as they voted for ie to get out of the CFP and EU
Not so 'blessed are the cheesemakers' under Brexit, it seems:
I take what that specific individual says with a pound of salt. He is a long time anti-Brexit, anti-Tory ranter.
That isn't to say Brexit hasn't placed extra barriers to exports like him, but he is first to be in the Graudian saying Brexit is absolutely the end of the world and the "Johnson Variant" is responsible. He is the Brexit equivalent of Zero Covid Pagel.
As the article says there are lots of factors, and as I said that isn't to say Brexit hasn't placed extra barriers. You know I own a business in the EU right?
My point is that bloke is a billy bullshitter, but the Guardian swallow his claims regardless. He has this micro cheese business that has been going for 5+ years, but all of a sudden Brexit has costs his massive amounts of money. He is hardly flogging any cheese in the UK, such that it has 1 employee, but we are supposed to believe he is being inundated right after Brexit with all these massive orders that that damn Brexit has stopped him.
I must admit it is quite fun doing a bit of research and picking out the bullshit from these stories. This is not the first time the Guardian has featured this particular gentleman. Back in January he was splashed all over the paper making complaints.
2. I'm still waiting to hear all the massive export success stories.
Not disagreeing with you. I know loads of friends with tiny companies who are having problems. And loads of tiny companies start to add up both in terms of numbers/value and of opposition to Brexit if they all get the hump.
But the issue as I said is implementation. Getting rid of Johnson won't make it all rosy overnight but until he is gone we can do nothing to start to make Brexit work as it should.
What a laughable idea. If it was not for Boris leading the Leave campaign in 2016 rather than Farage or Gove, Remain would likely have narrowly won. If it was not for Boris winning a landslide in 2019 Brexit would never have got through Parliament.
As for whinging about 'making Brexit work as it should', the UK is now out of the EU, out of the single market and out of the customs union. It is no longer subject to the ECJ, no longer pays large sums to the EU, is out of the CFP, has replaced free movement with a points system and does its own trade deals.
The likeliest replacement for Boris would likely be Starmer who would probably take the UK back into the customs union so no more trade deals and align more closely to single market regulations again
You never cease to amaze me with the depths of your ignorance. Matched only by your arrogance and fascist tendencies.
Starmer cannot take us back into the Customs Union. It is not in his purview to do so even should he want to. Membership of the Customs Union is dependent on membership of the EU. No non EU member can be a member of the Customs Union (bar a single microstate - Monaco). Indeed even if the EU wanted us as a member of the Customs Union they could not achieve that without rewriting the basic EU treaties.
If you do want to comment on such matters without looking a complete moron you might try actually learning the basics in the first place.
It's good to be able to choose meat with that extra added savour of ill treatment, right?
Good to see all that Scottish Nationalist hate for our Aussie cousins.
The Scottish Farmer is a Scottish Nationalist organ now?
Good to see you blithely accepting that your bunch of dislikeable, untrustworthy weaklings are losing natural Tory voters at a rate of knots. Eventually there'll only be a battered head left mouthing 'tis but a flesh wound' and 'the don't knows are right behind us'.
Farmers now have more markets to export to thanks to the new trade deals we have
That you can post this with a straight face demonstrates how clueless you are. DOn't worry, you aren't alone. The lickspittle David Duguid keeps telling local farmers and fishermen how much better off they now are. As they know (a) they are worse off and (b) he is a prannock the seat is now chalked up as an SNP gain next time.
You can say "more markets to export to" as much as you like. As it isn't true you *will* get caught out.
Fishermen now out of CFP as promised
Yes. And the purpose of leaving the CFP was....?
Find out why CAP and CFP were unpopular and you'll discover what farmers and fishermen were hoping to achieve by leaving things like the CFP.
I'll give you a clue. It isn't what you have given them. And patronising them by lines like "Fishermen now out of CFP as promised" will just make them more determined to vote you out of office.
Fishermen have control of their own waters, as they voted for ie to get out of the CFP and EU
Not so 'blessed are the cheesemakers' under Brexit, it seems:
I take what that specific individual says with a pound of salt. He is a long time anti-Brexit, anti-Tory ranter.
That isn't to say Brexit hasn't placed extra barriers to exports like him, but he is first to be in the Graudian saying Brexit is absolutely the end of the world and the "Johnson Variant" is responsible. He is the Brexit equivalent of Zero Covid Pagel.
As the article says there are lots of factors, and as I said that isn't to say Brexit hasn't placed extra barriers. You know I own a business in the EU right?
My point is that bloke is a billy bullshitter, but the Guardian swallow his claims regardless. He has this micro cheese business that has been going for 5+ years, but all of a sudden Brexit has costs his massive amounts of money. He is hardly flogging any cheese in the UK, such that it has 1 employee, but we are supposed to believe he is being inundated right after Brexit with all these massive orders that that damn Brexit has stopped him.
I must admit it is quite fun doing a bit of research and picking out the bullshit from these stories. This is not the first time the Guardian has featured this particular gentleman. Back in January he was splashed all over the paper making complaints.
2. I'm still waiting to hear all the massive export success stories.
Not disagreeing with you. I know loads of friends with tiny companies who are having problems. And loads of tiny companies start to add up both in terms of numbers/value and of opposition to Brexit if they all get the hump.
But the issue as I said is implementation. Getting rid of Johnson won't make it all rosy overnight but until he is gone we can do nothing to start to make Brexit work as it should.
Not a bad election slogan for Sir Keir: 'Get rid of Johnson; make Brexit work as it should.'
Although the slogan invites the question 'By what policies?' A question Labour may not plan to address until sitting in No 10. I doubt if there is any specific policy which when explained would command more than about a third or less of voters. I think they shall have to get by on generalised sunlit uplands.
Of course the moment could come when Labour also are slain on the altar of the fact that you can have the single market or no FOM but not both. A rich reward awaits any politician who could fix to have the two.
Or more to the point for Sir Keir, he can have the single market or no FOM and the redwall but not both. He wants to be PM, so while we still have FPTP that means he may align more to the single market, he will not take us fully back into it
'Aligning to the SM' has a problem unless flesh is put on the concept. It is what anyone everywhere has to do if exporting to the EU. The alignment to the SM is already a given. So what would anyone mean by 'aligning more'?
Membership of the SM is binary. In it, your country is, for goods, a single country with Latvia etc. Out of it you aren't. No partial membership exists.
What a laughable idea. If it was not for Boris leading the Leave campaign in 2016 rather than Farage or Gove, Remain would likely have narrowly won. If it was not for Boris winning a landslide in 2019 Brexit would never have got through Parliament.
As for whinging about 'making Brexit work as it should', the UK is now out of the EU, out of the single market and out of the customs union. It is no longer subject to the ECJ, no longer pays large sums to the EU, is out of the CFP, has replaced free movement with a points system and does its own trade deals.
The likeliest replacement for Boris would likely be Starmer who would probably take the UK back into the customs union so no more trade deals and align more closely to single market regulations again
Let's say in that alternate universe where Boris Johnson commits to David Cameron and REMAIN and somehow his personality and force of will affects the result so REMAIN wins 52-48.
As a loyal Conservative Party member and REMAIN supporter, you would doubtless welcome the result as a personal triumph for the Prime Minister and urge those who voted LEAVE to accept the result and get behind the Government.
Would David Cameron have served a full second term? He said he wouldn't so in the summer of 2018 (perhaps) he retires and I would imagine George Osborne would be the obvious successor. Osborne's allies in the party such as Matt Hancock are all promoted in the post-leadership election reshuffle with Boris Johnson becoming Foreign Secretary.
There's due to be an election in May 2020 but that's postponed by mutual agreement owing to the Covid crisis. There's extensive criticism of the vaccination rollout as we are constrained to move with the rest of the EU - would Osborne win a May 2021 election against Jeremy Corbyn?
I'll leave you to ponder that but the rest of it is plausible I think.
Had Boris backed Remain and Gove led Vote Leave and Farage still led Leave.EU then a result of 52% Remain rather than 52% Leave would have been more likely.
Osborne would have taken over as PM in due course yes as Cameron retired but UKIP would have soared to 15 to 20% of the vote. The result of the postponed election would likely have been a hung parliament but the LDs might have backed Osborne over Corbyn if we were still in the EU. Had Burnham won the 2015 Labour leadership I think he would have beaten Osborne to become PM in 2020/21, maybe even with a small majority. Boris would then likely now be Leader of the Opposition
This seems unlikely to be true. Amazon will go bust tomorrow if it is.
Clearly is true, given that Amazon held its hands up and said they'd fixed it. Problem seems to be the trawling algorithm isn't properly screened.
Hang on. How could anything or anybody recommend messing about with mains electricity.
It clearly is not true.
It sounds like Alexa was trawling the internet for "challenge", and came across a meme (like the Tide Pod eating thing). Seems not impossible.
It can't be true - Alexa is really so bad that if there's one place that says 'shoot yourself' it'll be a recomendation?
Yes.
Ok, that's easy to fix.
Is it? Without a human level artificial intelligence it will always be possible to craft adversarial input that gets round whatever laughable content filters Amazon put in place.
The problem here is they want Alexa to be a general lookup tool but cannot possibly hope to provide general level answers when you consider how much awful stuff there is on the Internet.
Some of which will be with covid rather than due to covid (not that this is benign, there are major risks of anaesthesia in covid, so hip fracture and asymptomatic covid could be bad news indeed).
This is broadly to be expected in a high prevalence situation, as those due to covid generally require a few days to a week before they get ill.
I would caution over interpreting these stats as they are likely to be incomplete due to the holidays etc.
It's good to be able to choose meat with that extra added savour of ill treatment, right?
Good to see all that Scottish Nationalist hate for our Aussie cousins.
The Scottish Farmer is a Scottish Nationalist organ now?
Good to see you blithely accepting that your bunch of dislikeable, untrustworthy weaklings are losing natural Tory voters at a rate of knots. Eventually there'll only be a battered head left mouthing 'tis but a flesh wound' and 'the don't knows are right behind us'.
Farmers now have more markets to export to thanks to the new trade deals we have
That you can post this with a straight face demonstrates how clueless you are. DOn't worry, you aren't alone. The lickspittle David Duguid keeps telling local farmers and fishermen how much better off they now are. As they know (a) they are worse off and (b) he is a prannock the seat is now chalked up as an SNP gain next time.
You can say "more markets to export to" as much as you like. As it isn't true you *will* get caught out.
Fishermen now out of CFP as promised
Yes. And the purpose of leaving the CFP was....?
Find out why CAP and CFP were unpopular and you'll discover what farmers and fishermen were hoping to achieve by leaving things like the CFP.
I'll give you a clue. It isn't what you have given them. And patronising them by lines like "Fishermen now out of CFP as promised" will just make them more determined to vote you out of office.
Fishermen have control of their own waters, as they voted for ie to get out of the CFP and EU
Not so 'blessed are the cheesemakers' under Brexit, it seems:
I take what that specific individual says with a pound of salt. He is a long time anti-Brexit, anti-Tory ranter.
That isn't to say Brexit hasn't placed extra barriers to exports like him, but he is first to be in the Graudian saying Brexit is absolutely the end of the world and the "Johnson Variant" is responsible. He is the Brexit equivalent of Zero Covid Pagel.
As the article says there are lots of factors, and as I said that isn't to say Brexit hasn't placed extra barriers. You know I own a business in the EU right?
My point is that bloke is a billy bullshitter, but the Guardian swallow his claims regardless. He has this micro cheese business that has been going for 5+ years, but all of a sudden Brexit has costs his massive amounts of money. He is hardly flogging any cheese in the UK, such that it has 1 employee, but we are supposed to believe he is being inundated right after Brexit with all these massive orders that that damn Brexit has stopped him.
I must admit it is quite fun doing a bit of research and picking out the bullshit from these stories. This is not the first time the Guardian has featured this particular gentleman. Back in January he was splashed all over the paper making complaints.
2. I'm still waiting to hear all the massive export success stories.
Not disagreeing with you. I know loads of friends with tiny companies who are having problems. And loads of tiny companies start to add up both in terms of numbers/value and of opposition to Brexit if they all get the hump.
But the issue as I said is implementation. Getting rid of Johnson won't make it all rosy overnight but until he is gone we can do nothing to start to make Brexit work as it should.
What a laughable idea. If it was not for Boris leading the Leave campaign in 2016 rather than Farage or Gove, Remain would likely have narrowly won. If it was not for Boris winning a landslide in 2019 Brexit would never have got through Parliament.
As for whinging about 'making Brexit work as it should', the UK is now out of the EU, out of the single market and out of the customs union. It is no longer subject to the ECJ, no longer pays large sums to the EU, is out of the CFP, has replaced free movement with a points system and does its own trade deals.
The likeliest replacement for Boris would likely be Starmer who would probably take the UK back into the customs union so no more trade deals and align more closely to single market regulations again
You never cease to amaze me with the depths of your ignorance. Matched only by your arrogance and fascist tendencies.
Starmer cannot take us back into the Customs Union. It is not in his purview to do so even should he want to. Membership of the Customs Union is dependent on membership of the EU. No non EU member can be a member of the Customs Union (bar a single microstate - Monaco). Indeed even if the EU wanted us as a member of the Customs Union they could not achieve that without rewriting the basic EU treaties.
If you do want to comment on such matters without looking a complete moron you might try actually learning the basics in the first place.
It's good to be able to choose meat with that extra added savour of ill treatment, right?
Good to see all that Scottish Nationalist hate for our Aussie cousins.
The Scottish Farmer is a Scottish Nationalist organ now?
Good to see you blithely accepting that your bunch of dislikeable, untrustworthy weaklings are losing natural Tory voters at a rate of knots. Eventually there'll only be a battered head left mouthing 'tis but a flesh wound' and 'the don't knows are right behind us'.
Farmers now have more markets to export to thanks to the new trade deals we have
That you can post this with a straight face demonstrates how clueless you are. DOn't worry, you aren't alone. The lickspittle David Duguid keeps telling local farmers and fishermen how much better off they now are. As they know (a) they are worse off and (b) he is a prannock the seat is now chalked up as an SNP gain next time.
You can say "more markets to export to" as much as you like. As it isn't true you *will* get caught out.
Fishermen now out of CFP as promised
Yes. And the purpose of leaving the CFP was....?
Find out why CAP and CFP were unpopular and you'll discover what farmers and fishermen were hoping to achieve by leaving things like the CFP.
I'll give you a clue. It isn't what you have given them. And patronising them by lines like "Fishermen now out of CFP as promised" will just make them more determined to vote you out of office.
Fishermen have control of their own waters, as they voted for ie to get out of the CFP and EU
Not so 'blessed are the cheesemakers' under Brexit, it seems:
I take what that specific individual says with a pound of salt. He is a long time anti-Brexit, anti-Tory ranter.
That isn't to say Brexit hasn't placed extra barriers to exports like him, but he is first to be in the Graudian saying Brexit is absolutely the end of the world and the "Johnson Variant" is responsible. He is the Brexit equivalent of Zero Covid Pagel.
As the article says there are lots of factors, and as I said that isn't to say Brexit hasn't placed extra barriers. You know I own a business in the EU right?
My point is that bloke is a billy bullshitter, but the Guardian swallow his claims regardless. He has this micro cheese business that has been going for 5+ years, but all of a sudden Brexit has costs his massive amounts of money. He is hardly flogging any cheese in the UK, such that it has 1 employee, but we are supposed to believe he is being inundated right after Brexit with all these massive orders that that damn Brexit has stopped him.
I must admit it is quite fun doing a bit of research and picking out the bullshit from these stories. This is not the first time the Guardian has featured this particular gentleman. Back in January he was splashed all over the paper making complaints.
2. I'm still waiting to hear all the massive export success stories.
Not disagreeing with you. I know loads of friends with tiny companies who are having problems. And loads of tiny companies start to add up both in terms of numbers/value and of opposition to Brexit if they all get the hump.
But the issue as I said is implementation. Getting rid of Johnson won't make it all rosy overnight but until he is gone we can do nothing to start to make Brexit work as it should.
What a laughable idea. If it was not for Boris leading the Leave campaign in 2016 rather than Farage or Gove, Remain would likely have narrowly won. If it was not for Boris winning a landslide in 2019 Brexit would never have got through Parliament.
As for whinging about 'making Brexit work as it should', the UK is now out of the EU, out of the single market and out of the customs union. It is no longer subject to the ECJ, no longer pays large sums to the EU, is out of the CFP, has replaced free movement with a points system and does its own trade deals.
The likeliest replacement for Boris would likely be Starmer who would probably take the UK back into the customs union so no more trade deals and align more closely to single market regulations again
You never cease to amaze me with the depths of your ignorance. Matched only by your arrogance and fascist tendencies.
Starmer cannot take us back into the Customs Union. It is not in his purview to do so even should he want to. Membership of the Customs Union is dependent on membership of the EU. No non EU member can be a member of the Customs Union (bar a single microstate - Monaco). Indeed even if the EU wanted us as a member of the Customs Union they could not achieve that without rewriting the basic EU treaties.
If you do want to comment on such matters without looking a complete moron you might try actually learning the basics in the first place.
Turkey is in a customs union with the EU but not in the EU. Starmer would likely try to do the same.
Remember in the Brexit debates most Labour MPs voted for the UK to be in a customs union with the EU
Drop in ventilated patients in England. Until we get the breakdown of incidental admissions vs non-incidental admissions that's probably the best proxy stat we have for Omicron hospitalisations.
We're well past the point where the Omicron wave would be causing a big increase in this number. With Delta it was just 7 or 8 days until the number began shooting up.
It's good to be able to choose meat with that extra added savour of ill treatment, right?
Good to see all that Scottish Nationalist hate for our Aussie cousins.
The Scottish Farmer is a Scottish Nationalist organ now?
Good to see you blithely accepting that your bunch of dislikeable, untrustworthy weaklings are losing natural Tory voters at a rate of knots. Eventually there'll only be a battered head left mouthing 'tis but a flesh wound' and 'the don't knows are right behind us'.
Farmers now have more markets to export to thanks to the new trade deals we have
That you can post this with a straight face demonstrates how clueless you are. DOn't worry, you aren't alone. The lickspittle David Duguid keeps telling local farmers and fishermen how much better off they now are. As they know (a) they are worse off and (b) he is a prannock the seat is now chalked up as an SNP gain next time.
You can say "more markets to export to" as much as you like. As it isn't true you *will* get caught out.
Fishermen now out of CFP as promised
Yes. And the purpose of leaving the CFP was....?
Find out why CAP and CFP were unpopular and you'll discover what farmers and fishermen were hoping to achieve by leaving things like the CFP.
I'll give you a clue. It isn't what you have given them. And patronising them by lines like "Fishermen now out of CFP as promised" will just make them more determined to vote you out of office.
Fishermen have control of their own waters, as they voted for ie to get out of the CFP and EU
Not so 'blessed are the cheesemakers' under Brexit, it seems:
I take what that specific individual says with a pound of salt. He is a long time anti-Brexit, anti-Tory ranter.
That isn't to say Brexit hasn't placed extra barriers to exports like him, but he is first to be in the Graudian saying Brexit is absolutely the end of the world and the "Johnson Variant" is responsible. He is the Brexit equivalent of Zero Covid Pagel.
As the article says there are lots of factors, and as I said that isn't to say Brexit hasn't placed extra barriers. You know I own a business in the EU right?
My point is that bloke is a billy bullshitter, but the Guardian swallow his claims regardless. He has this micro cheese business that has been going for 5+ years, but all of a sudden Brexit has costs his massive amounts of money. He is hardly flogging any cheese in the UK, such that it has 1 employee, but we are supposed to believe he is being inundated right after Brexit with all these massive orders that that damn Brexit has stopped him.
I must admit it is quite fun doing a bit of research and picking out the bullshit from these stories. This is not the first time the Guardian has featured this particular gentleman. Back in January he was splashed all over the paper making complaints.
2. I'm still waiting to hear all the massive export success stories.
Not disagreeing with you. I know loads of friends with tiny companies who are having problems. And loads of tiny companies start to add up both in terms of numbers/value and of opposition to Brexit if they all get the hump.
But the issue as I said is implementation. Getting rid of Johnson won't make it all rosy overnight but until he is gone we can do nothing to start to make Brexit work as it should.
What a laughable idea. If it was not for Boris leading the Leave campaign in 2016 rather than Farage or Gove, Remain would likely have narrowly won. If it was not for Boris winning a landslide in 2019 Brexit would never have got through Parliament.
As for whinging about 'making Brexit work as it should', the UK is now out of the EU, out of the single market and out of the customs union. It is no longer subject to the ECJ, no longer pays large sums to the EU, is out of the CFP, has replaced free movement with a points system and does its own trade deals.
The likeliest replacement for Boris would likely be Starmer who would probably take the UK back into the customs union so no more trade deals and align more closely to single market regulations again
You never cease to amaze me with the depths of your ignorance. Matched only by your arrogance and fascist tendencies.
Starmer cannot take us back into the Customs Union. It is not in his purview to do so even should he want to. Membership of the Customs Union is dependent on membership of the EU. No non EU member can be a member of the Customs Union (bar a single microstate - Monaco). Indeed even if the EU wanted us as a member of the Customs Union they could not achieve that without rewriting the basic EU treaties.
If you do want to comment on such matters without looking a complete moron you might try actually learning the basics in the first place.
Turkey is in a customs union with the EU but not in it. Starmer would likely try to do the same.
Remember in the Brexit debates most Labour MPs voted for the UK to be in a customs union
No you don't get away with that.
A customs union is not the same as the customs union. You were wrong and you should be man enough to say so.
It's good to be able to choose meat with that extra added savour of ill treatment, right?
Good to see all that Scottish Nationalist hate for our Aussie cousins.
The Scottish Farmer is a Scottish Nationalist organ now?
Good to see you blithely accepting that your bunch of dislikeable, untrustworthy weaklings are losing natural Tory voters at a rate of knots. Eventually there'll only be a battered head left mouthing 'tis but a flesh wound' and 'the don't knows are right behind us'.
Farmers now have more markets to export to thanks to the new trade deals we have
That you can post this with a straight face demonstrates how clueless you are. DOn't worry, you aren't alone. The lickspittle David Duguid keeps telling local farmers and fishermen how much better off they now are. As they know (a) they are worse off and (b) he is a prannock the seat is now chalked up as an SNP gain next time.
You can say "more markets to export to" as much as you like. As it isn't true you *will* get caught out.
Fishermen now out of CFP as promised
Yes. And the purpose of leaving the CFP was....?
Find out why CAP and CFP were unpopular and you'll discover what farmers and fishermen were hoping to achieve by leaving things like the CFP.
I'll give you a clue. It isn't what you have given them. And patronising them by lines like "Fishermen now out of CFP as promised" will just make them more determined to vote you out of office.
Fishermen have control of their own waters, as they voted for ie to get out of the CFP and EU
Not so 'blessed are the cheesemakers' under Brexit, it seems:
I take what that specific individual says with a pound of salt. He is a long time anti-Brexit, anti-Tory ranter.
That isn't to say Brexit hasn't placed extra barriers to exports like him, but he is first to be in the Graudian saying Brexit is absolutely the end of the world and the "Johnson Variant" is responsible. He is the Brexit equivalent of Zero Covid Pagel.
As the article says there are lots of factors, and as I said that isn't to say Brexit hasn't placed extra barriers. You know I own a business in the EU right?
My point is that bloke is a billy bullshitter, but the Guardian swallow his claims regardless. He has this micro cheese business that has been going for 5+ years, but all of a sudden Brexit has costs his massive amounts of money. He is hardly flogging any cheese in the UK, such that it has 1 employee, but we are supposed to believe he is being inundated right after Brexit with all these massive orders that that damn Brexit has stopped him.
I must admit it is quite fun doing a bit of research and picking out the bullshit from these stories. This is not the first time the Guardian has featured this particular gentleman. Back in January he was splashed all over the paper making complaints.
2. I'm still waiting to hear all the massive export success stories.
Not disagreeing with you. I know loads of friends with tiny companies who are having problems. And loads of tiny companies start to add up both in terms of numbers/value and of opposition to Brexit if they all get the hump.
But the issue as I said is implementation. Getting rid of Johnson won't make it all rosy overnight but until he is gone we can do nothing to start to make Brexit work as it should.
What a laughable idea. If it was not for Boris leading the Leave campaign in 2016 rather than Farage or Gove, Remain would likely have narrowly won. If it was not for Boris winning a landslide in 2019 Brexit would never have got through Parliament.
As for whinging about 'making Brexit work as it should', the UK is now out of the EU, out of the single market and out of the customs union. It is no longer subject to the ECJ, no longer pays large sums to the EU, is out of the CFP, has replaced free movement with a points system and does its own trade deals.
The likeliest replacement for Boris would likely be Starmer who would probably take the UK back into the customs union so no more trade deals and align more closely to single market regulations again
You never cease to amaze me with the depths of your ignorance. Matched only by your arrogance and fascist tendencies.
Starmer cannot take us back into the Customs Union. It is not in his purview to do so even should he want to. Membership of the Customs Union is dependent on membership of the EU. No non EU member can be a member of the Customs Union (bar a single microstate - Monaco). Indeed even if the EU wanted us as a member of the Customs Union they could not achieve that without rewriting the basic EU treaties.
If you do want to comment on such matters without looking a complete moron you might try actually learning the basics in the first place.
Turkey is in a customs union with the EU but not in it. Starmer would likely try to do the same.
Remember in the Brexit debates most Labour MPs voted for the UK to be in a customs union
No you don't get away with that.
A customs union is not the same as the customs union. You were wrong and you should be man enough to say so.
Turkey is in a customs union with the EU but cannot do its own trade deals with countries outside the EU.
That is what most Labour MPs voted for in the Brexit debates
It's good to be able to choose meat with that extra added savour of ill treatment, right?
Good to see all that Scottish Nationalist hate for our Aussie cousins.
The Scottish Farmer is a Scottish Nationalist organ now?
Good to see you blithely accepting that your bunch of dislikeable, untrustworthy weaklings are losing natural Tory voters at a rate of knots. Eventually there'll only be a battered head left mouthing 'tis but a flesh wound' and 'the don't knows are right behind us'.
Farmers now have more markets to export to thanks to the new trade deals we have
That you can post this with a straight face demonstrates how clueless you are. DOn't worry, you aren't alone. The lickspittle David Duguid keeps telling local farmers and fishermen how much better off they now are. As they know (a) they are worse off and (b) he is a prannock the seat is now chalked up as an SNP gain next time.
You can say "more markets to export to" as much as you like. As it isn't true you *will* get caught out.
Fishermen now out of CFP as promised
Yes. And the purpose of leaving the CFP was....?
Find out why CAP and CFP were unpopular and you'll discover what farmers and fishermen were hoping to achieve by leaving things like the CFP.
I'll give you a clue. It isn't what you have given them. And patronising them by lines like "Fishermen now out of CFP as promised" will just make them more determined to vote you out of office.
Fishermen have control of their own waters, as they voted for ie to get out of the CFP and EU
Not so 'blessed are the cheesemakers' under Brexit, it seems:
I take what that specific individual says with a pound of salt. He is a long time anti-Brexit, anti-Tory ranter.
That isn't to say Brexit hasn't placed extra barriers to exports like him, but he is first to be in the Graudian saying Brexit is absolutely the end of the world and the "Johnson Variant" is responsible. He is the Brexit equivalent of Zero Covid Pagel.
As the article says there are lots of factors, and as I said that isn't to say Brexit hasn't placed extra barriers. You know I own a business in the EU right?
My point is that bloke is a billy bullshitter, but the Guardian swallow his claims regardless. He has this micro cheese business that has been going for 5+ years, but all of a sudden Brexit has costs his massive amounts of money. He is hardly flogging any cheese in the UK, such that it has 1 employee, but we are supposed to believe he is being inundated right after Brexit with all these massive orders that that damn Brexit has stopped him.
I must admit it is quite fun doing a bit of research and picking out the bullshit from these stories. This is not the first time the Guardian has featured this particular gentleman. Back in January he was splashed all over the paper making complaints.
2. I'm still waiting to hear all the massive export success stories.
Not disagreeing with you. I know loads of friends with tiny companies who are having problems. And loads of tiny companies start to add up both in terms of numbers/value and of opposition to Brexit if they all get the hump.
But the issue as I said is implementation. Getting rid of Johnson won't make it all rosy overnight but until he is gone we can do nothing to start to make Brexit work as it should.
What a laughable idea. If it was not for Boris leading the Leave campaign in 2016 rather than Farage or Gove, Remain would likely have narrowly won. If it was not for Boris winning a landslide in 2019 Brexit would never have got through Parliament.
As for whinging about 'making Brexit work as it should', the UK is now out of the EU, out of the single market and out of the customs union. It is no longer subject to the ECJ, no longer pays large sums to the EU, is out of the CFP, has replaced free movement with a points system and does its own trade deals.
The likeliest replacement for Boris would likely be Starmer who would probably take the UK back into the customs union so no more trade deals and align more closely to single market regulations again
You never cease to amaze me with the depths of your ignorance. Matched only by your arrogance and fascist tendencies.
Starmer cannot take us back into the Customs Union. It is not in his purview to do so even should he want to. Membership of the Customs Union is dependent on membership of the EU. No non EU member can be a member of the Customs Union (bar a single microstate - Monaco). Indeed even if the EU wanted us as a member of the Customs Union they could not achieve that without rewriting the basic EU treaties.
If you do want to comment on such matters without looking a complete moron you might try actually learning the basics in the first place.
We won't be in *the* customs union, but I expect we will be in *a* customs union. Like Turkey.
It's good to be able to choose meat with that extra added savour of ill treatment, right?
Good to see all that Scottish Nationalist hate for our Aussie cousins.
The Scottish Farmer is a Scottish Nationalist organ now?
Good to see you blithely accepting that your bunch of dislikeable, untrustworthy weaklings are losing natural Tory voters at a rate of knots. Eventually there'll only be a battered head left mouthing 'tis but a flesh wound' and 'the don't knows are right behind us'.
Farmers now have more markets to export to thanks to the new trade deals we have
That you can post this with a straight face demonstrates how clueless you are. DOn't worry, you aren't alone. The lickspittle David Duguid keeps telling local farmers and fishermen how much better off they now are. As they know (a) they are worse off and (b) he is a prannock the seat is now chalked up as an SNP gain next time.
You can say "more markets to export to" as much as you like. As it isn't true you *will* get caught out.
Fishermen now out of CFP as promised
Yes. And the purpose of leaving the CFP was....?
Find out why CAP and CFP were unpopular and you'll discover what farmers and fishermen were hoping to achieve by leaving things like the CFP.
I'll give you a clue. It isn't what you have given them. And patronising them by lines like "Fishermen now out of CFP as promised" will just make them more determined to vote you out of office.
Fishermen have control of their own waters, as they voted for ie to get out of the CFP and EU
Not so 'blessed are the cheesemakers' under Brexit, it seems:
I take what that specific individual says with a pound of salt. He is a long time anti-Brexit, anti-Tory ranter.
That isn't to say Brexit hasn't placed extra barriers to exports like him, but he is first to be in the Graudian saying Brexit is absolutely the end of the world and the "Johnson Variant" is responsible. He is the Brexit equivalent of Zero Covid Pagel.
As the article says there are lots of factors, and as I said that isn't to say Brexit hasn't placed extra barriers. You know I own a business in the EU right?
My point is that bloke is a billy bullshitter, but the Guardian swallow his claims regardless. He has this micro cheese business that has been going for 5+ years, but all of a sudden Brexit has costs his massive amounts of money. He is hardly flogging any cheese in the UK, such that it has 1 employee, but we are supposed to believe he is being inundated right after Brexit with all these massive orders that that damn Brexit has stopped him.
I must admit it is quite fun doing a bit of research and picking out the bullshit from these stories. This is not the first time the Guardian has featured this particular gentleman. Back in January he was splashed all over the paper making complaints.
2. I'm still waiting to hear all the massive export success stories.
Not disagreeing with you. I know loads of friends with tiny companies who are having problems. And loads of tiny companies start to add up both in terms of numbers/value and of opposition to Brexit if they all get the hump.
But the issue as I said is implementation. Getting rid of Johnson won't make it all rosy overnight but until he is gone we can do nothing to start to make Brexit work as it should.
What a laughable idea. If it was not for Boris leading the Leave campaign in 2016 rather than Farage or Gove, Remain would likely have narrowly won. If it was not for Boris winning a landslide in 2019 Brexit would never have got through Parliament.
As for whinging about 'making Brexit work as it should', the UK is now out of the EU, out of the single market and out of the customs union. It is no longer subject to the ECJ, no longer pays large sums to the EU, is out of the CFP, has replaced free movement with a points system and does its own trade deals.
The likeliest replacement for Boris would likely be Starmer who would probably take the UK back into the customs union so no more trade deals and align more closely to single market regulations again
You never cease to amaze me with the depths of your ignorance. Matched only by your arrogance and fascist tendencies.
Starmer cannot take us back into the Customs Union. It is not in his purview to do so even should he want to. Membership of the Customs Union is dependent on membership of the EU. No non EU member can be a member of the Customs Union (bar a single microstate - Monaco). Indeed even if the EU wanted us as a member of the Customs Union they could not achieve that without rewriting the basic EU treaties.
If you do want to comment on such matters without looking a complete moron you might try actually learning the basics in the first place.
A timely and comprehensive demolition of @HYUFD musings
It's good to be able to choose meat with that extra added savour of ill treatment, right?
Good to see all that Scottish Nationalist hate for our Aussie cousins.
The Scottish Farmer is a Scottish Nationalist organ now?
Good to see you blithely accepting that your bunch of dislikeable, untrustworthy weaklings are losing natural Tory voters at a rate of knots. Eventually there'll only be a battered head left mouthing 'tis but a flesh wound' and 'the don't knows are right behind us'.
Farmers now have more markets to export to thanks to the new trade deals we have
That you can post this with a straight face demonstrates how clueless you are. DOn't worry, you aren't alone. The lickspittle David Duguid keeps telling local farmers and fishermen how much better off they now are. As they know (a) they are worse off and (b) he is a prannock the seat is now chalked up as an SNP gain next time.
You can say "more markets to export to" as much as you like. As it isn't true you *will* get caught out.
Fishermen now out of CFP as promised
Yes. And the purpose of leaving the CFP was....?
Find out why CAP and CFP were unpopular and you'll discover what farmers and fishermen were hoping to achieve by leaving things like the CFP.
I'll give you a clue. It isn't what you have given them. And patronising them by lines like "Fishermen now out of CFP as promised" will just make them more determined to vote you out of office.
Fishermen have control of their own waters, as they voted for ie to get out of the CFP and EU
Not so 'blessed are the cheesemakers' under Brexit, it seems:
I take what that specific individual says with a pound of salt. He is a long time anti-Brexit, anti-Tory ranter.
That isn't to say Brexit hasn't placed extra barriers to exports like him, but he is first to be in the Graudian saying Brexit is absolutely the end of the world and the "Johnson Variant" is responsible. He is the Brexit equivalent of Zero Covid Pagel.
As the article says there are lots of factors, and as I said that isn't to say Brexit hasn't placed extra barriers. You know I own a business in the EU right?
My point is that bloke is a billy bullshitter, but the Guardian swallow his claims regardless. He has this micro cheese business that has been going for 5+ years, but all of a sudden Brexit has costs his massive amounts of money. He is hardly flogging any cheese in the UK, such that it has 1 employee, but we are supposed to believe he is being inundated right after Brexit with all these massive orders that that damn Brexit has stopped him.
I must admit it is quite fun doing a bit of research and picking out the bullshit from these stories. This is not the first time the Guardian has featured this particular gentleman. Back in January he was splashed all over the paper making complaints.
2. I'm still waiting to hear all the massive export success stories.
Not disagreeing with you. I know loads of friends with tiny companies who are having problems. And loads of tiny companies start to add up both in terms of numbers/value and of opposition to Brexit if they all get the hump.
But the issue as I said is implementation. Getting rid of Johnson won't make it all rosy overnight but until he is gone we can do nothing to start to make Brexit work as it should.
What a laughable idea. If it was not for Boris leading the Leave campaign in 2016 rather than Farage or Gove, Remain would likely have narrowly won. If it was not for Boris winning a landslide in 2019 Brexit would never have got through Parliament.
As for whinging about 'making Brexit work as it should', the UK is now out of the EU, out of the single market and out of the customs union. It is no longer subject to the ECJ, no longer pays large sums to the EU, is out of the CFP, has replaced free movement with a points system and does its own trade deals.
The likeliest replacement for Boris would likely be Starmer who would probably take the UK back into the customs union so no more trade deals and align more closely to single market regulations again
You never cease to amaze me with the depths of your ignorance. Matched only by your arrogance and fascist tendencies.
Starmer cannot take us back into the Customs Union. It is not in his purview to do so even should he want to. Membership of the Customs Union is dependent on membership of the EU. No non EU member can be a member of the Customs Union (bar a single microstate - Monaco). Indeed even if the EU wanted us as a member of the Customs Union they could not achieve that without rewriting the basic EU treaties.
If you do want to comment on such matters without looking a complete moron you might try actually learning the basics in the first place.
We won't be in *the* customs union, but I expect we will be in *a* customs union. Like Turkey.
And unable to do our own trade deals as Turkey cannot.
Which would still totally destroy the kind of Brexit Richard Tyndall wants due to a PM Starmer. If he was not so bloody minded about Boris and showed a bit of gratitude to the PM for once he might realise this
It's good to be able to choose meat with that extra added savour of ill treatment, right?
Good to see all that Scottish Nationalist hate for our Aussie cousins.
The Scottish Farmer is a Scottish Nationalist organ now?
Good to see you blithely accepting that your bunch of dislikeable, untrustworthy weaklings are losing natural Tory voters at a rate of knots. Eventually there'll only be a battered head left mouthing 'tis but a flesh wound' and 'the don't knows are right behind us'.
Farmers now have more markets to export to thanks to the new trade deals we have
That you can post this with a straight face demonstrates how clueless you are. DOn't worry, you aren't alone. The lickspittle David Duguid keeps telling local farmers and fishermen how much better off they now are. As they know (a) they are worse off and (b) he is a prannock the seat is now chalked up as an SNP gain next time.
You can say "more markets to export to" as much as you like. As it isn't true you *will* get caught out.
Fishermen now out of CFP as promised
Yes. And the purpose of leaving the CFP was....?
Find out why CAP and CFP were unpopular and you'll discover what farmers and fishermen were hoping to achieve by leaving things like the CFP.
I'll give you a clue. It isn't what you have given them. And patronising them by lines like "Fishermen now out of CFP as promised" will just make them more determined to vote you out of office.
Fishermen have control of their own waters, as they voted for ie to get out of the CFP and EU
Not so 'blessed are the cheesemakers' under Brexit, it seems:
I take what that specific individual says with a pound of salt. He is a long time anti-Brexit, anti-Tory ranter.
That isn't to say Brexit hasn't placed extra barriers to exports like him, but he is first to be in the Graudian saying Brexit is absolutely the end of the world and the "Johnson Variant" is responsible. He is the Brexit equivalent of Zero Covid Pagel.
As the article says there are lots of factors, and as I said that isn't to say Brexit hasn't placed extra barriers. You know I own a business in the EU right?
My point is that bloke is a billy bullshitter, but the Guardian swallow his claims regardless. He has this micro cheese business that has been going for 5+ years, but all of a sudden Brexit has costs his massive amounts of money. He is hardly flogging any cheese in the UK, such that it has 1 employee, but we are supposed to believe he is being inundated right after Brexit with all these massive orders that that damn Brexit has stopped him.
I must admit it is quite fun doing a bit of research and picking out the bullshit from these stories. This is not the first time the Guardian has featured this particular gentleman. Back in January he was splashed all over the paper making complaints.
2. I'm still waiting to hear all the massive export success stories.
Not disagreeing with you. I know loads of friends with tiny companies who are having problems. And loads of tiny companies start to add up both in terms of numbers/value and of opposition to Brexit if they all get the hump.
But the issue as I said is implementation. Getting rid of Johnson won't make it all rosy overnight but until he is gone we can do nothing to start to make Brexit work as it should.
What a laughable idea. If it was not for Boris leading the Leave campaign in 2016 rather than Farage or Gove, Remain would likely have narrowly won. If it was not for Boris winning a landslide in 2019 Brexit would never have got through Parliament.
As for whinging about 'making Brexit work as it should', the UK is now out of the EU, out of the single market and out of the customs union. It is no longer subject to the ECJ, no longer pays large sums to the EU, is out of the CFP, has replaced free movement with a points system and does its own trade deals.
The likeliest replacement for Boris would likely be Starmer who would probably take the UK back into the customs union so no more trade deals and align more closely to single market regulations again
You never cease to amaze me with the depths of your ignorance. Matched only by your arrogance and fascist tendencies.
Starmer cannot take us back into the Customs Union. It is not in his purview to do so even should he want to. Membership of the Customs Union is dependent on membership of the EU. No non EU member can be a member of the Customs Union (bar a single microstate - Monaco). Indeed even if the EU wanted us as a member of the Customs Union they could not achieve that without rewriting the basic EU treaties.
If you do want to comment on such matters without looking a complete moron you might try actually learning the basics in the first place.
Turkey is in a customs union with the EU but not in the EU. Starmer would likely try to do the same.
Remember in the Brexit debates most Labour MPs voted for the UK to be in a customs union with the EU
“A” customs Union not “the” customs Union
And I doubt that Starmer would do as laughably bad a deal as Turkey’s one
It's good to be able to choose meat with that extra added savour of ill treatment, right?
Good to see all that Scottish Nationalist hate for our Aussie cousins.
The Scottish Farmer is a Scottish Nationalist organ now?
Good to see you blithely accepting that your bunch of dislikeable, untrustworthy weaklings are losing natural Tory voters at a rate of knots. Eventually there'll only be a battered head left mouthing 'tis but a flesh wound' and 'the don't knows are right behind us'.
Farmers now have more markets to export to thanks to the new trade deals we have
That you can post this with a straight face demonstrates how clueless you are. DOn't worry, you aren't alone. The lickspittle David Duguid keeps telling local farmers and fishermen how much better off they now are. As they know (a) they are worse off and (b) he is a prannock the seat is now chalked up as an SNP gain next time.
You can say "more markets to export to" as much as you like. As it isn't true you *will* get caught out.
Fishermen now out of CFP as promised
Yes. And the purpose of leaving the CFP was....?
Find out why CAP and CFP were unpopular and you'll discover what farmers and fishermen were hoping to achieve by leaving things like the CFP.
I'll give you a clue. It isn't what you have given them. And patronising them by lines like "Fishermen now out of CFP as promised" will just make them more determined to vote you out of office.
Fishermen have control of their own waters, as they voted for ie to get out of the CFP and EU
Not so 'blessed are the cheesemakers' under Brexit, it seems:
I take what that specific individual says with a pound of salt. He is a long time anti-Brexit, anti-Tory ranter.
That isn't to say Brexit hasn't placed extra barriers to exports like him, but he is first to be in the Graudian saying Brexit is absolutely the end of the world and the "Johnson Variant" is responsible. He is the Brexit equivalent of Zero Covid Pagel.
As the article says there are lots of factors, and as I said that isn't to say Brexit hasn't placed extra barriers. You know I own a business in the EU right?
My point is that bloke is a billy bullshitter, but the Guardian swallow his claims regardless. He has this micro cheese business that has been going for 5+ years, but all of a sudden Brexit has costs his massive amounts of money. He is hardly flogging any cheese in the UK, such that it has 1 employee, but we are supposed to believe he is being inundated right after Brexit with all these massive orders that that damn Brexit has stopped him.
I must admit it is quite fun doing a bit of research and picking out the bullshit from these stories. This is not the first time the Guardian has featured this particular gentleman. Back in January he was splashed all over the paper making complaints.
2. I'm still waiting to hear all the massive export success stories.
Not disagreeing with you. I know loads of friends with tiny companies who are having problems. And loads of tiny companies start to add up both in terms of numbers/value and of opposition to Brexit if they all get the hump.
But the issue as I said is implementation. Getting rid of Johnson won't make it all rosy overnight but until he is gone we can do nothing to start to make Brexit work as it should.
What a laughable idea. If it was not for Boris leading the Leave campaign in 2016 rather than Farage or Gove, Remain would likely have narrowly won. If it was not for Boris winning a landslide in 2019 Brexit would never have got through Parliament.
As for whinging about 'making Brexit work as it should', the UK is now out of the EU, out of the single market and out of the customs union. It is no longer subject to the ECJ, no longer pays large sums to the EU, is out of the CFP, has replaced free movement with a points system and does its own trade deals.
The likeliest replacement for Boris would likely be Starmer who would probably take the UK back into the customs union so no more trade deals and align more closely to single market regulations again
You never cease to amaze me with the depths of your ignorance. Matched only by your arrogance and fascist tendencies.
Starmer cannot take us back into the Customs Union. It is not in his purview to do so even should he want to. Membership of the Customs Union is dependent on membership of the EU. No non EU member can be a member of the Customs Union (bar a single microstate - Monaco). Indeed even if the EU wanted us as a member of the Customs Union they could not achieve that without rewriting the basic EU treaties.
If you do want to comment on such matters without looking a complete moron you might try actually learning the basics in the first place.
We won't be in *the* customs union, but I expect we will be in *a* customs union. Like Turkey.
And unable to do our own trade deals
Which would still totally destroy the kind of Brexit Richard Tyndall due to a PM Starmer. If he was not so bloody minded about Boris and showed a bit of gratitude to the PM for once he might realise this
Your views on Brexit can be safely ignored, since you voted Remain. That's how these things work. A period of silence from you, please.
Drop in ventilated patients in England. Until we get the breakdown of incidental admissions vs non-incidental admissions that's probably the best proxy stat we have for Omicron hospitalisations.
We're well past the point where the Omicron wave would be causing a big increase in this number. With Delta it was just 7 or 8 days until the number began shooting up.
There are hints of hospital admissions increasing on the dashboard (just updated). Is there a chance Omichron takes a bit longer to start really hurting people? To progress into the lungs?
The big question is how many positive tests haven't made their way into the data so far - anecdotally, 5 day delays on PCRs here in Scotland.
It's good to be able to choose meat with that extra added savour of ill treatment, right?
Good to see all that Scottish Nationalist hate for our Aussie cousins.
The Scottish Farmer is a Scottish Nationalist organ now?
Good to see you blithely accepting that your bunch of dislikeable, untrustworthy weaklings are losing natural Tory voters at a rate of knots. Eventually there'll only be a battered head left mouthing 'tis but a flesh wound' and 'the don't knows are right behind us'.
Farmers now have more markets to export to thanks to the new trade deals we have
That you can post this with a straight face demonstrates how clueless you are. DOn't worry, you aren't alone. The lickspittle David Duguid keeps telling local farmers and fishermen how much better off they now are. As they know (a) they are worse off and (b) he is a prannock the seat is now chalked up as an SNP gain next time.
You can say "more markets to export to" as much as you like. As it isn't true you *will* get caught out.
Fishermen now out of CFP as promised
Yes. And the purpose of leaving the CFP was....?
Find out why CAP and CFP were unpopular and you'll discover what farmers and fishermen were hoping to achieve by leaving things like the CFP.
I'll give you a clue. It isn't what you have given them. And patronising them by lines like "Fishermen now out of CFP as promised" will just make them more determined to vote you out of office.
Fishermen have control of their own waters, as they voted for ie to get out of the CFP and EU
Not so 'blessed are the cheesemakers' under Brexit, it seems:
I take what that specific individual says with a pound of salt. He is a long time anti-Brexit, anti-Tory ranter.
That isn't to say Brexit hasn't placed extra barriers to exports like him, but he is first to be in the Graudian saying Brexit is absolutely the end of the world and the "Johnson Variant" is responsible. He is the Brexit equivalent of Zero Covid Pagel.
As the article says there are lots of factors, and as I said that isn't to say Brexit hasn't placed extra barriers. You know I own a business in the EU right?
My point is that bloke is a billy bullshitter, but the Guardian swallow his claims regardless. He has this micro cheese business that has been going for 5+ years, but all of a sudden Brexit has costs his massive amounts of money. He is hardly flogging any cheese in the UK, such that it has 1 employee, but we are supposed to believe he is being inundated right after Brexit with all these massive orders that that damn Brexit has stopped him.
I must admit it is quite fun doing a bit of research and picking out the bullshit from these stories. This is not the first time the Guardian has featured this particular gentleman. Back in January he was splashed all over the paper making complaints.
2. I'm still waiting to hear all the massive export success stories.
Not disagreeing with you. I know loads of friends with tiny companies who are having problems. And loads of tiny companies start to add up both in terms of numbers/value and of opposition to Brexit if they all get the hump.
But the issue as I said is implementation. Getting rid of Johnson won't make it all rosy overnight but until he is gone we can do nothing to start to make Brexit work as it should.
What a laughable idea. If it was not for Boris leading the Leave campaign in 2016 rather than Farage or Gove, Remain would likely have narrowly won. If it was not for Boris winning a landslide in 2019 Brexit would never have got through Parliament.
As for whinging about 'making Brexit work as it should', the UK is now out of the EU, out of the single market and out of the customs union. It is no longer subject to the ECJ, no longer pays large sums to the EU, is out of the CFP, has replaced free movement with a points system and does its own trade deals.
The likeliest replacement for Boris would likely be Starmer who would probably take the UK back into the customs union so no more trade deals and align more closely to single market regulations again
You never cease to amaze me with the depths of your ignorance. Matched only by your arrogance and fascist tendencies.
Starmer cannot take us back into the Customs Union. It is not in his purview to do so even should he want to. Membership of the Customs Union is dependent on membership of the EU. No non EU member can be a member of the Customs Union (bar a single microstate - Monaco). Indeed even if the EU wanted us as a member of the Customs Union they could not achieve that without rewriting the basic EU treaties.
If you do want to comment on such matters without looking a complete moron you might try actually learning the basics in the first place.
A timely and comprehensive demolition of @HYUFD musings
No demolition at all. Just he is completely naive about what a Starmer premiership would mean for his Brexit.
I would laugh though if having got the Brexit he wants with Boris, we end up in a customs union with the EU but outside the single market still under a PM Starmer. Exactly the Brexit he does not want!
Some of which will be with covid rather than due to covid (not that this is benign, there are major risks of anaesthesia in covid, so hip fracture and asymptomatic covid could be bad news indeed).
This is broadly to be expected in a high prevalence situation, as those due to covid generally require a few days to a week before they get ill.
I would caution over interpreting these stats as they are likely to be incomplete due to the holidays etc.
Incomplete and/or distorted by the holiday effects, presumably?
Some of the UK numbers that BigG has just quoted down thread are badly backdated as they're reported at the speed of the slowest contributing nation. The English admissions and total patient data are both now current and show a substantial rise over the last few days, but as you say we have no indication from these figures as to what percentage of those patients are sick from Covid or merely carrying it, and these numbers tell us nothing about the severity of the actual Covid cases - we'll presumably have to wait and see if the admissions feed through into a rise in ventilator bed occupancy to gauge that? - or whether the amount of time the less difficult cases are spending in hospital is falling.
This will all be very frustrating to the pro and anti restriction factions alike, but it looks as though we still need more data - which, presumably, is what the UK Government has elected to keep waiting for?
It'll also be interesting to see if the unvaccinated continue to account for a very high proportion of the most seriously ill. If the hospital situation does get a lot more difficult then the Government may soon be confronted with awkward choices about whether to impose more Covid crap on everyone, or to go easy on most of the population and opt for Draconian curbs on the refusers.
Drop in ventilated patients in England. Until we get the breakdown of incidental admissions vs non-incidental admissions that's probably the best proxy stat we have for Omicron hospitalisations.
We're well past the point where the Omicron wave would be causing a big increase in this number. With Delta it was just 7 or 8 days until the number began shooting up.
There are hints of hospital admissions increasing on the dashboard (just updated). Is there a chance Omichron takes a bit longer to start really hurting people? To progress into the lungs?
The big question is how many positive tests haven't made their way into the data so far - anecdotally, 5 day delays on PCRs here in Scotland.
Until we get the breakdown we won't know what was because of COVID or people who registered a positive test and also needed hospital treatment for something else. The ventilated patients stat is currently the best proxy IMO as those are all because of COVID.
It's good to be able to choose meat with that extra added savour of ill treatment, right?
Good to see all that Scottish Nationalist hate for our Aussie cousins.
The Scottish Farmer is a Scottish Nationalist organ now?
Good to see you blithely accepting that your bunch of dislikeable, untrustworthy weaklings are losing natural Tory voters at a rate of knots. Eventually there'll only be a battered head left mouthing 'tis but a flesh wound' and 'the don't knows are right behind us'.
Farmers now have more markets to export to thanks to the new trade deals we have
That you can post this with a straight face demonstrates how clueless you are. DOn't worry, you aren't alone. The lickspittle David Duguid keeps telling local farmers and fishermen how much better off they now are. As they know (a) they are worse off and (b) he is a prannock the seat is now chalked up as an SNP gain next time.
You can say "more markets to export to" as much as you like. As it isn't true you *will* get caught out.
Fishermen now out of CFP as promised
Yes. And the purpose of leaving the CFP was....?
Find out why CAP and CFP were unpopular and you'll discover what farmers and fishermen were hoping to achieve by leaving things like the CFP.
I'll give you a clue. It isn't what you have given them. And patronising them by lines like "Fishermen now out of CFP as promised" will just make them more determined to vote you out of office.
Fishermen have control of their own waters, as they voted for ie to get out of the CFP and EU
Not so 'blessed are the cheesemakers' under Brexit, it seems:
I take what that specific individual says with a pound of salt. He is a long time anti-Brexit, anti-Tory ranter.
That isn't to say Brexit hasn't placed extra barriers to exports like him, but he is first to be in the Graudian saying Brexit is absolutely the end of the world and the "Johnson Variant" is responsible. He is the Brexit equivalent of Zero Covid Pagel.
As the article says there are lots of factors, and as I said that isn't to say Brexit hasn't placed extra barriers. You know I own a business in the EU right?
My point is that bloke is a billy bullshitter, but the Guardian swallow his claims regardless. He has this micro cheese business that has been going for 5+ years, but all of a sudden Brexit has costs his massive amounts of money. He is hardly flogging any cheese in the UK, such that it has 1 employee, but we are supposed to believe he is being inundated right after Brexit with all these massive orders that that damn Brexit has stopped him.
I must admit it is quite fun doing a bit of research and picking out the bullshit from these stories. This is not the first time the Guardian has featured this particular gentleman. Back in January he was splashed all over the paper making complaints.
2. I'm still waiting to hear all the massive export success stories.
Not disagreeing with you. I know loads of friends with tiny companies who are having problems. And loads of tiny companies start to add up both in terms of numbers/value and of opposition to Brexit if they all get the hump.
But the issue as I said is implementation. Getting rid of Johnson won't make it all rosy overnight but until he is gone we can do nothing to start to make Brexit work as it should.
What a laughable idea. If it was not for Boris leading the Leave campaign in 2016 rather than Farage or Gove, Remain would likely have narrowly won. If it was not for Boris winning a landslide in 2019 Brexit would never have got through Parliament.
As for whinging about 'making Brexit work as it should', the UK is now out of the EU, out of the single market and out of the customs union. It is no longer subject to the ECJ, no longer pays large sums to the EU, is out of the CFP, has replaced free movement with a points system and does its own trade deals.
The likeliest replacement for Boris would likely be Starmer who would probably take the UK back into the customs union so no more trade deals and align more closely to single market regulations again
You never cease to amaze me with the depths of your ignorance. Matched only by your arrogance and fascist tendencies.
Starmer cannot take us back into the Customs Union. It is not in his purview to do so even should he want to. Membership of the Customs Union is dependent on membership of the EU. No non EU member can be a member of the Customs Union (bar a single microstate - Monaco). Indeed even if the EU wanted us as a member of the Customs Union they could not achieve that without rewriting the basic EU treaties.
If you do want to comment on such matters without looking a complete moron you might try actually learning the basics in the first place.
A timely and comprehensive demolition of @HYUFD musings
No demolition at all. Just he is completely naive about what a Starmer premiership would mean for his Brexit
Of course it is, but you have no ability to understand that others have far more knowledge of a subject you set yourself up as an expert on and embarrass yourself when called out
Some of which will be with covid rather than due to covid (not that this is benign, there are major risks of anaesthesia in covid, so hip fracture and asymptomatic covid could be bad news indeed).
This is broadly to be expected in a high prevalence situation, as those due to covid generally require a few days to a week before they get ill.
I would caution over interpreting these stats as they are likely to be incomplete due to the holidays etc.
Incomplete and/or distorted by the holiday effects, presumably?
Some of the UK numbers that BigG has just quoted down thread are badly backdated as they're reported at the speed of the slowest contributing nation. The English admissions and total patient data are both now current and show a substantial rise over the last few days, but as you say we have no indication from these figures as to what percentage of those patients are sick from Covid or merely carrying it, and these numbers tell us nothing about the severity of the actual Covid cases - we'll presumably have to wait and see if the admissions feed through into a rise in ventilator bed occupancy to gauge that? - or whether the amount of time the less difficult cases are spending in hospital is falling.
This will all be very frustrating to the pro and anti restriction factions alike, but it looks as though we still need more data - which, presumably, is what the UK Government has elected to keep waiting for?
It'll also be interesting to see if the unvaccinated continue to account for a very high proportion of the most seriously ill. If the hospital situation does get a lot more difficult then the Government may soon be confronted with awkward choices about whether to impose more Covid crap on everyone, or to go easy on most of the population and opt for Draconian curbs on the refusers.
No it's option 3, deprioritise COVID treatment for vaccine refusers but don't say anything. Even if they go to the media about not getting NHS treatment there will be little sympathy for people who have refused the vaccine.
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Also I work for the NHS and have seen first hand the toll Covid has had on this institution and it's staff. I want it to be over, why would I want to prolong it?
I am cautious, nothing more.
Rejoin is off the agenda for a long, long time. So, to cite Starmer, I agree we need to "make Brexit work". Funnily enough, because of the Tory headbangers, a Labour government may be in a better position to do this.
Then there is a circle jerk of media outlets copy and pasting that claim. So now if you google you will just loads of "sources" saying this is the case, but they were all just based on one inaccurate article.
In terms of peoples behaviours etc, it's going to be like a giant weekend, with maybe a little bit of bounce back to normal this week - until New Year.
EDIT : The one that will be interesting the other side, is what happens with the Regional R
So obviously wrong, and what was spent was mainly on testing which everyone agrees is a very good thing.
Was there a rollover deal agreed first?
Anyway - time for my walk.
If he's employing 25 staff but declaring 3 to Companies House/HMRC then Houston we have a problem.
I feel fine , mild headache and sniffles but nothing bad so far, wife tested negative so far.
Thanks for asking. We have all three jags so hopefully will be not too bad. Daughter so far is like flu and hopefully stays that way.
But, that aside...
1. He's clearly not alone, Wyke Farms is not a one man and his dog company.
https://www.foodmanufacture.co.uk/Article/2021/05/28/Brexit-red-tape-hampers-Wyke-Farms-despite-export-success
2. I'm still waiting to hear all the massive export success stories.
I agree that their utility going forward is unclear.
(Hope you are all on the mend soon!)
But the issue as I said is implementation. Getting rid of Johnson won't make it all rosy overnight but until he is gone we can do nothing to start to make Brexit work as it should.
https://www.thespiritsbusiness.com/2021/08/scotch-whisky-exports-rise-by-31/
As for whinging about 'making Brexit work as it should', the UK is now out of the EU, out of the single market and out of the customs union. It is no longer subject to the ECJ, no longer pays large sums to the EU, is out of the CFP, has replaced free movement with a points system and does its own trade deals.
The likeliest replacement for Boris would likely be Starmer who would probably take the UK back into the customs union so no more trade deals and align more closely to single market regulations again
The suggestion came after the girl asked Alexa for a "challenge to do".
"Plug in a phone charger about halfway into a wall outlet, then touch a penny to the exposed prongs," the smart speaker said.
https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-59810383
COVID: Number of people with coronavirus in hospital in England rises to 9,546
However it is about as likely that the next election will be a very good one to lose.
It clearly is not true.
I interpret that as "get things resolved quickly", rather than 'blame Brussels'. For the same reason we should have brought the fishing license thing to a head in June.
Then Arla launched the most unbelievably funny and aggressive marketing campaign (“we asked 100 children to draw what they thought rBST looked like”… cue lots of pictures of scary monsters)
rBST Sales dropped 75% in the first year and now virtually all milk is labelled as being “rBST free”.
But no regulations - it’s still a legal, FDA approved product
Of course the moment could come when Labour also are slain on the altar of the fact that you can have the single market or no FOM but not both. A rich reward awaits any politician who could fix to have the two.
Rather makes a nonesence of your protectionist statement if you can't answer it doesn't it?
This issue is that the system is not fit for purpose (eg why is so much paper based?). Improvement is a mutual interest.
But EU imports are not yet subject to the not-fit process, as UK Gov has not yet implemented it. So they have insufficient visibility on the problem.
Link BTW
https://www.foodmanufacture.co.uk/Article/2021/05/28/Brexit-red-tape-hampers-Wyke-Farms-despite-export-success
This is up 38% from a week earlier and is the highest number since 3 March.
The latest figure compares to 8,474 yesterday, according to NHS England and indicates a 12% rise in the number of people in hospital in a single day.
During the second wave of coronavirus, the number peaked at 34,336 on 18 January.
In London, there are 3,024 people in hospital with COVID - up 59% on last week and the highest since 19 February.
Last winter's peak for the capital was 7,917 on 18 January.
On Monday, it was revealed the number of people in hospital with the virus in England was at its highest level since March.
https://news.sky.com/story/covid-number-of-people-with-coronavirus-in-hospital-in-england-rises-to-9-546-12505307
It is pretty straightforward what has happened here.
As a loyal Conservative Party member and REMAIN supporter, you would doubtless welcome the result as a personal triumph for the Prime Minister and urge those who voted LEAVE to accept the result and get behind the Government.
Would David Cameron have served a full second term? He said he wouldn't so in the summer of 2018 (perhaps) he retires and I would imagine George Osborne would be the obvious successor. Osborne's allies in the party such as Matt Hancock are all promoted in the post-leadership election reshuffle with Boris Johnson becoming Foreign Secretary.
There's due to be an election in May 2020 but that's postponed by mutual agreement owing to the Covid crisis. There's extensive criticism of the vaccination rollout as we are constrained to move with the rest of the EU - would Osborne win a May 2021 election against Jeremy Corbyn?
I'll leave you to ponder that but the rest of it is plausible I think.
Starmer cannot take us back into the Customs Union. It is not in his purview to do so even should he want to. Membership of the Customs Union is dependent on membership of the EU. No non EU member can be a member of the Customs Union (bar a single microstate - Monaco). Indeed even if the EU wanted us as a member of the Customs Union they could not achieve that without rewriting the basic EU treaties.
If you do want to comment on such matters without looking a complete moron you might try actually learning the basics in the first place.
Membership of the SM is binary. In it, your country is, for goods, a single country with Latvia etc. Out of it you aren't. No partial membership exists.
Osborne would have taken over as PM in due course yes as Cameron retired but UKIP would have soared to 15 to 20% of the vote. The result of the postponed election would likely have been a hung parliament but the LDs might have backed Osborne over Corbyn if we were still in the EU. Had Burnham won the 2015 Labour leadership I think he would have beaten Osborne to become PM in 2020/21, maybe even with a small majority. Boris would then likely now be Leader of the Opposition
The problem here is they want Alexa to be a general lookup tool but cannot possibly hope to provide general level answers when you consider how much awful stuff there is on the Internet.
This is broadly to be expected in a high prevalence situation, as those due to covid generally require a few days to a week before they get ill.
I would caution over interpreting these stats as they are likely to be incomplete due to the holidays etc.
Remember in the Brexit debates most Labour MPs voted for the UK to be in a customs union with the EU
We're well past the point where the Omicron wave would be causing a big increase in this number. With Delta it was just 7 or 8 days until the number began shooting up.
A customs union is not the same as the customs union. You were wrong and you should be man enough to say so.
That is what most Labour MPs voted for in the Brexit debates
We will shortly know how damaging Omicron is in a way that finally will be inarguable as to how it applies to Britain.
Which would still totally destroy the kind of Brexit Richard Tyndall wants due to a PM Starmer. If he was not so bloody minded about Boris and showed a bit of gratitude to the PM for once he might realise this
And I doubt that Starmer would do as laughably bad a deal as Turkey’s one
That's how these things work. A period of silence from you, please.
How very dare you!
The big question is how many positive tests haven't made their way into the data so far - anecdotally, 5 day delays on PCRs here in Scotland.
I would laugh though if having got the Brexit he wants with Boris, we end up in a customs union with the EU but outside the single market still under a PM Starmer. Exactly the Brexit he does not want!
Some of the UK numbers that BigG has just quoted down thread are badly backdated as they're reported at the speed of the slowest contributing nation. The English admissions and total patient data are both now current and show a substantial rise over the last few days, but as you say we have no indication from these figures as to what percentage of those patients are sick from Covid or merely carrying it, and these numbers tell us nothing about the severity of the actual Covid cases - we'll presumably have to wait and see if the admissions feed through into a rise in ventilator bed occupancy to gauge that? - or whether the amount of time the less difficult cases are spending in hospital is falling.
This will all be very frustrating to the pro and anti restriction factions alike, but it looks as though we still need more data - which, presumably, is what the UK Government has elected to keep waiting for?
It'll also be interesting to see if the unvaccinated continue to account for a very high proportion of the most seriously ill. If the hospital situation does get a lot more difficult then the Government may soon be confronted with awkward choices about whether to impose more Covid crap on everyone, or to go easy on most of the population and opt for Draconian curbs on the refusers.